/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>54293957
They are backed by cost of extraction and to a degree industrial need. If all of a sudden you needed a bunch of silver and the investment grade had a run, you could go dig up more but to crank up production or start a mine from scratch is an undertaking of years. Scarcity is know but hidden in derivatives and many believe it is not correctly priced in at the moment.

>>54294383
0 dollars eoy

>>54294383
>Golbugs write all this cope while still claiming that bitcoin is backed by nothing
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
99% down against btc since 2009

>>54293957
They’re backed by god and his creation, man

>>54294383
>They are backed by cost of extraction, scarcity
True. It's really funny though how the anti-Bitcoin shills (those ones who push the idea people should go all in on gold/silver instead of Bitcoin) pretend like that doesn't apply to Bitcoin and even more so.

>>54294383
Anon, pray tell, how are extraction costs and industrial needs paid for in modern society?

>>54293957
They're God's money

>>54294383
>They are backed by cost of extraction
Marxist theory of value is wrong. Sorry.

>>54293957
they're backed by gold and silver atoms, respectively. you know, those atoms that were created by GOD himself and no human can ever recreate in any significant amount? these atoms that have intrinsically useful properties? do you get it, faggot? it's something 1s and 0s on a computer do not have

>>54294383
Bitcoin is backed by the cost of mining too. Basically the same thing

>>54293957
They're not exactly "backed" by it, but they stand for something.

>>54293957
They are backed by being rare earth metals that people like to use in jewelry

>>54294518
>The atoms were created by God
God isn't real

>>54294416
I never mentioned bitcoin and while it may have some utility it is solely in the hands of society to continue to grow. Sure there was an excellent run, in a time of cheap money but past results are in the past. Until it breaks ATH again it is nothing more than a speculative asset. It would be hard to recreate these results in a time of fear and hunger but we'll see.

>>54294408 I'd love to see it.

>>54294572
Your life doesn't have neaning

>>54294584
>More cope while his shiny rocks never had another ath since 40 years
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA goldbug back to your containment thread >>>/toy/.

>>54294546
While true, besides the term mine what does moving tons of earth and sorting it have in common with decryption? And I hear your scarcity argument as well with halving but is there no other system that could be set up to "mine" a blockchain at intervals at the cost of energy and do it better. Earth can only be sorted best one time or two but numbers could be jumbled again. Then there is the actual value to it. Will it remain liquid, wanted, what does the end user need it for besides a store of value. Gold and silver are prized for conducting, why in a world of solar power and electric cars you need it amongst other metals. Can bitcoin drive that same need in any meaningful way?

>>54294714
Silver or gold peaking would end your world. If it happens it doesn't make me rich, it just means everyone else not holding just got a lot poorer.

>>54294755
sounds like your mind is made, no need to argue. I'll hold my digital chuckie cheese tokens, you'll hold your shiny rocks. May the best man win.

>>54293957
easy
The annunaki like gold.
Silver has industrial use cases

Your golds value is whatever the pawn shop will give you when you/family member most need money.

"I know its $5000/oz but theres no way I can confirm its all real gold without expensive testing, even your paperwork can be faked, so Ill take on the risk and offer $40 for the whole collection, $35 tomorrow, you say you need to feed your family, right?"

Its hilarious that all the doomers collecting gold think they would get "fair market value" from a merchant in the apocalypse. Im sure you'll get the right amount of rice in exchange for a tiny piece of useless metal while everyone is starving and thirsty.

Learn some survival skills instead.

>>54293957
Its the layer 0 of finance fren.

>>54294604
>Jokes on you, my life has meaning
>You wish you could enslave yourself to an abrahamic fairy tale in exchange for magic rewards that will never naterialize

>>54293957
5% of its value is backed by industrial uses.
95% of its value is backed by boomers believing it will continue to be valuable. they are mistaken.

>>54294981
you need to practice on your bait, You're not even trying rabbi

>>54295207
>t. paid 20% premiums for shiny rocks which might not even be real
>t. will lose another 10% premium when he goes to sell at a 10% gain 10 years from now
>t. loses >50% of his purchasing power over the period
Your inflation hedge, everyone.

Good actually acts as a conductive field on a human body to ascend your consciousness, which is why it’s had value in many cultures.

Bitcoin on the other hand is a ploy to get the peons to buy into a totally controlled and deanonymized ledger for trade which gives a nation immense power.

Pretty hard choice honestly.

>>54293957
They are backed by God

>>54293957
They have instrinsic value. Only a moron would invest in something that doesn't.

>>54295360
>shills gold
>immediately goes full /x/-tier schizo
Not only are these the people saying to buy gold... these are the only people who WILL buy gold.

>>54295414
He has a point tho, many cultures actually believed that gold has holistic properties.

>>54293957
backed by the Anunnaki OP
and that is all you need to know

>>54295457
Many people in India believe washing in the Ganges will cleanse their spirit... does that make it true?

>>54295512
>many
Also it does cleanse their spirits, of their rotten bodies since they die of infection

>>54294506
>Marxism is... Wrong! It just is, okay?

>>54295558
I'm not throwing Sikh chads in with the hindu vermin

>>54294469
The Kang.
>U

Gold and silver is backed by Rome.

>>54295584
>S

>>54294572
That’s it, young man. You’re grounded!

>>54295584
>>54295604
>D

>>54293957
wait till you find out what canned food and bullets are backed by

>>54294383

Ah yes when society collapses everyone will just resort to become gold miners instead of getting food and shelter makes total sense anon.

Does anyone have the picture of pepe as Jesus holding a McDonald’s employee wojak? Please post it

>>54294755
Gold also does not carry the cost of its mining around.

>>54293957
its backed simply by inherent human affinity for shiny metal objects, and also by its scarcity

>>54294884
Why not both? Diversification is not a meme.

>>54296172
People used silver and gold currency for thousands of years before bro.

>>54293957
and I realized that the only way to keep all my hami stuff afloat is to just wait for shit to keep giving me money without doing anything, the whole thing is ridiculous

>>54294383
>labor theory of value
>it's worth a lot because it's hard to make
>the shit I just left in the toilet is worth a lot because it was hard to squeeze it out (have hemorrhoids, read: American)

>>54293957
It's shiny, rare, impervious to corrosion

>>54296329
Bitcoin is back by the human affinity (and by human, I mean 130+ IQ white men) for neat technologies, and also by its scarcity.

>>54294572
Lucifer challenged God that people with free will would choose to turn away from Him. God created this place for us, to let the truth unfold. Lucifer and the fallen angels are allowed to torment and misguide us, so that we can be tested. Its Gods beautiful world, filled with unholy sinners and unholy obstacles from Satan
Expanding on this thought 99% of people are bots. And they are obsessed with everything I do since I'm a real character. Their behavior is just a swamp meant to trick you into thinking inferior behavior is normal. Basically people are asleep at the wheel because they don't realize they're participating in God's test (proven by the double-slit experiment) Wake up.
Become an operative of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Find the comfort of an everlasting life. Be sincere and humble. Learn to call out evil and shepherd others who seek enlightenment.

>>54294755
>moving tons of earth and sorting it
>and mining bitcoin
>what do these 2 things have in common
Work and Energy. That's what it all boils down to. It requires work and energy to get both. One is "physical" while the other "digital", that's the only difference - but really that distinction is false, as the energy and work required for Bitcoin is physical as well. So in fact both are physical.

>>54297474
Blacks are 2x more likely to own crypto retard.

>>54293957
It's backed by our need to conduct trade you simpleton.

>>54294546
That's not what it means for something to be backed. Just because a bunch of energy was wasted doesn't mean Bitcoin has value.

Value comes from utility. Bitcoin is backed by its cryptographically guaranteed freedom from manipulation and confiscation.

>>54298434
>Midwit take
BTC is valuable because Operation Mockingbird convinced the public to waste their funds on a liquidity trap as opposed to purchasing real assets or changing their political/social circumstances that make manipulation/confiscation possible. It's much easier to buy BTC and cope vs getting off your ass and changing the world.

>>54293957
>food
>water
>guns/ammo
>drugs
>pussy
these are the only sound investments

>>54295565
Yes, you retarded fucking faggot.

>>54298474
>Dimwit take
During times of economic crisis the value of pussy craters. Even lolis can be purchased for pennies on the dollar. Jesus is /biz/ this retarded?

>>54294383
>Cost of extraction
So you're saying that SOMEHOW doing loads of useless work digging through worthless rocks to recover some equally worthless funny looking metal, somehow imbues that metal with actual tangible value?
That sounds like bullshit.
With fiat the source of value is clear. If you don't use USD, the US Marines will come to your country and do a regime change on you.

>>54296202
No but I do have this, hope it helps.

>>54294981
i cant believe im even responding to this but the idea that any gold/silver hodler who doesnt have other preparations available is fucking retarded

because my garden is already full i dont need to worry about food, therefore the gold is what i will use to buy your family land and the silver is what i will use to buy whatever else i may need

>>54293957
>all this pm fud recently
bullish

>>54294429
>>54294493
>>54295390
>>54294572
>>54298114
Let me guess, by "God" you mean racial god of the jews Yahweh (יהוה) right? Not Godan (ᚷᛟᛞᚨᚾ) who the name God (ᚷᛟᛞ) came from, one of the many names of Odin: https://archive.is/E8xG6

Picrel is an example of "God"'s (as in Yahweh's) money. Old Christian silver coin. One of many old Christian silver (and gold) coins featuring the name of the jewgod in jew-letters.

Again regarding the name God (ᚷᛟᛞ), the earliest missionaries of Christianity who were all unmixed jews came up with the idea to steal the Lombardic name of Odin, Godan (ᚷᛟᛞᚨᚾ), in order to aid in their eradication of the our native Germanic religion through tricking the Native European people into signing over our souls to the jewish god Yahweh (יהוה). Nobody in southern Europe wanted anything to do with a foreign deity with a foreign-sounding name, but the name Godan/God they already knew, as that was Wodan; Odin. The early Christian converts were thus told to use Godan's name, ᚷᛟᛞ (God), so that the jews could more easily replace the Native European religion with the new judaic sect that worships Yahweh (יהוה).

God is not Yahweh and Yahweh is not God. Yahweh's name (יהוה) isn't God (ᚷᛟᛞ). Godan is the only god whose name is God (ᚷᛟᛞ). Yahweh and Godan are two very different gods from two different continents and different races. The Middle Eastern Yahweh (יהוה) is not a god of European origin, unlike Godan (ᚷᛟᛞᚨᚾ), who is. Neither is Godan the god of the Bible - the jewish god Yahweh is.

The name Godan/Goden comes from Wodan/Woden (which still today is Oden in Swedish), which is Odin. In proto-Germanic it's Wodanaz. In modern German it's Wotan. "D" and "T" are very close in many European languages, and the "d" in "Odin" is the Nordic letter ð (as in Óðinn) which is a mixture of "D" and "T". For D=T see also: archive.is/nck73 -- which is why it's Wotan in German, and hence why it's Gott instead of God (so Gott Mit Uns = Odin With Us).

>>54298114
>Lucifer
"Lucifer" or "Satan" is any nation and race that opposes the jewgod Yahweh. The name "Lucifer" means "bringer of light" and the jew-language name is "Helel" which means "the shining one". The jews need to operate in darkness; a climate of ignorance and lies, and can't stand the Light of Truth being shone on them. And in which culture was the "bringing of light" one of the most sacred traditions? The European one. Picrel. The Winter Solstice; the return of the Sun, when the "shining one" returns in the sky and brings back the light after the long dark winter and the Summer Solstice when the "shining one" is the highest in the sky and has brought the most light. By the way, here is the LSSAH, Hitler's personal SS regiment, celebrating the Winter Solstice: https://files.catbox.moe/fzdlzl.webm

>Its Gods (Yahweh's) beautiful world
The world is NOT Yahweh's, and any world that "Yahweh" -- in other words the jewish race (which is what Yahweh represents; they invented Yahweh in to represent themselves and unite jewry) -- attempts to bring into being can only be nightmarish and ugly; not beautiful, and is a mere corruption of the world.
>filled with unholy sinners and unholy obstacles from Satan
That is what the jews label non-jews, their enemies. Not believing in the "sanctity of the jews" and not advancing the jewish plan "Tikkun Olam" (the "healing of the world" aka" judaization and destruction of the world) makes one a "sinner", "unholy", "of the devil" or "in league with Satan" (which, again, is the opposer of Yahweh). The "unholy sinners" and "unholy obstacles" and "people of Satan" are the "Goyim"; people who are racially non-jewish and reside in non-jewish lands, and "Pagans"; non-jews who don't believe in the jewgod Yahweh and don't have a jewish or judaized worldview, values, beliefs and traditions. They're considered "unholy" (or "unwashed" in Freemasonic * terms), for they are the obstacles to jewry and to the fulfillment of Tikkun Olam.

>>54299013
* Freemasonry is a jewish instrument of judaization by the way.

And by the way, the Freemasonic term "unwashed" itself is jewish and talmudic in origin. The jews during their Christianization of Europe followed rabbinical instructions when they threw baptism water on their enemies. That baptism water is a symbolic circumcision which "washes away" everything that is Native to the converted enemy and washes away the "filth" of his Ancestors; symbolically circumcising him away from his own people. That is why they demanded of their enemies that they absolutely must be baptised, or in other words "washed", why they thought it so absolutely crucial. Non-jews could not be converted without going through this jewish symbolic circumcision ceremony. This is also why Freemasonry has as part of the ceremonies of initiation elements where the person being initiated is "washed" in water. Same jewish origin.

I'm going to go buy more silver today and there is nothing you dirty kikes can do about it.

>>54294884
checked and racist AI pilled

Notice how....
• vP6HLgNX is anti-Bitcoin: >>54298466 >>54298378
And he then
• shills the idea we should buy silver, and shills the narrative that doing so is anti-jewish and that the jews want you to not buy silver: >>54298466
• and then to top it all off he writes "kikes" instead of "jews"
See the pattern there? And it's curious how he was inactive in the thread for hours, until that massively anti-jewish redpill infodump was posted by WfyR8nnb. Immediately after those posts he popped up.

Have you noticed how jewish shills, JlDF etc, very often when larping as anti-jewish non-jews, they almost always use the word "kikes" and usually avoid using the word jews? That's because of the below:

• it plays into their Christianity hoax and makes their Scheinkampf (pretend-fight) against Christianity seem real, thereby promoting Christianity (as "kike" is said to originate from the jew word for circle and supposedly the origin of "kike" is that jews refused to use a cross instead of a circle on some document, so they supposedly used a circle instead).

• to normalfags it sounds like a "racist slur" like, like nigger, which makes the enemies of the jews seem bad/evil/racist -- and this of course helps the jews.

• calling the jews jews helps instill into the subconscious of normalfags that jew=bad. The word jews is already a word with a somewhat negative connotation around the world, but we can make it even more negative sounding. Calling them "kikes", or anything else other than jews, doesn't advance that goal. THIS they are VERY aware of, hence they don't want us to call them jews.

They much prefer it when we use the word "kikes", or anything else other than jews - for example "hebrews" or "semites".

>>54299167
I ain't reading all that shit.
I'm stacking silver/gold, nothing you faggots can do to stop me.

Notice how....
• vP6HLgNX is anti-Bitcoin: >>54298466 >>54298378
And he then
• shills the idea we should buy silver, and shills the narrative that doing so is anti-jewish and that the jews want you to not buy silver: >>54299049
• and then to top it all off he writes "kikes" instead of "jews": >>54299049
See the pattern there? And it's curious how he was inactive in the thread for hours, until that massively anti-jewish redpill infodump was posted by WfyR8nnb. Immediately after those posts he popped up.

Have you noticed how jewish shills, JlDF etc, very often when larping as anti-jewish non-jews, they almost always use the word "kikes" and usually avoid using the word jews? That's because of the below:

• it plays into their Christianity hoax and makes their Scheinkampf (pretend-fight) against Christianity seem real, thereby promoting Christianity (as "kike" is said to originate from the jew word for circle and supposedly the origin of "kike" is that jews refused to use a cross instead of a circle on some document, so they supposedly used a circle instead).

• to normalfags it sounds like a "racist slur" like, like nigger, which makes the enemies of the jews seem bad/evil/racist -- and this of course helps the jews.

• calling the jews jews helps instill into the subconscious of normalfags that jew=bad. The word jews is already a word with a somewhat negative connotation around the world, but we can make it even more negative sounding. Calling them "kikes", or anything else other than jews, doesn't advance that goal. THIS they are VERY aware of, hence they don't want us to call them jews.

They much prefer it when we use the word "kikes", or anything else other than jews - for example "hebrews" or "semites".

>>54298114
How's the Tel Aviv weather?

>>54299002
>Godan
Yes and that is the actual reason why the Jews sometimes censor the name God and write it like "G*d" or "G-d", see these screenshots for related info.

>>54293957
>shitposty bait thread causes jewish anti-crypto metal-shills to arrive en masse and heated debates ensue
kek

>>54299198
Does anyone know if this whore is murdered yet???

>>54293957
They're backed by the same thing young pussy is backed by: being pretty.

>>54294383
The real red pill is realizing it is truly backed by being shiny.

>>54296172
>Systematic collapse
>All energy goes to getting food and shelter
>Eventually aquire it
>Have more food thay you can store or consume
>"I now need something that can store value longer..."
>"Gee I wonder what that could be..."

>>54302308
In such a scenario it would probably be more wise to physically expand your holdings. Building up a military and becoming a petty feudalist would be more useful

>>54302368
>Expand holdings
>Pay your servants in food and shelter and tools and knowledge and safety
>They begin trading with each other
>Bartering food for tools and so on
>Eventually need to trade with a real currency since bartering requires too much extra steps (I want haircut and I have pork meat but the barber also has too much pork already. Barber needs new scissors. I go to tool maker and trade pork for scissors and then back to barber and trade scissors for haircut)
>You now need a currency
>"I wonder... what could be easy and small and lasts long and could be easily divided to small pieces for small purchases..."

>>54302447
>They begin trading with each other
90% of feudal society (that is to say, all the peasants) didn't really trade, they lived communally. Trade was incidental to feudal life for the majority of people and would require a great deal of complexity and development, much more than a single lifetime.

Yeah, you'd need currency, but making it your primary goal from the get go is retarded

>>54302490
that's total BS
there hasn't been a society in existence that didn't trade with eachother and/or their neighbouring societies

>>54302549
Ah, I see you are historically illiterate. Yeah, peasants mostly never touched money. They lived communally. Trade existed on the periphery of medieval society but the majority of life was relationships determined by the local lord, who technically owned everything within his borders anyway.

>>54294518
God created an infinite supply of those atoms that we'll access once asteroid mining becomes cheap enough

>>54294429
>>54294493
>>54295390
>>54294572
>>54298114
Let me guess, by "God" you mean racial god of the jews Yahweh (יהוה) right? Not Godan (ᚷᛟᛞᚨᚾ) who the name God (ᚷᛟᛞ) came from, one of the many names of Odin: https://archive.is/E8xG6

Picrel is an example of "God"'s (as in Yahweh's) money. Old Christian silver coin. One of many old Christian silver (and gold) coins featuring the name of the jewgod in jew-letters.

Again regarding the name God (ᚷᛟᛞ), the earliest missionaries of Christianity who were all unmixed jews came up with the idea to steal the Lombardic name of Odin, Godan (ᚷᛟᛞᚨᚾ), in order to aid in their eradication of the our native Germanic religion through tricking the Native European people into signing over our souls to the jewish god Yahweh (יהוה). Nobody in southern Europe wanted anything to do with a foreign deity with a foreign-sounding name, but the name Godan/God they already knew, as that was Wodan; Odin. The early Christian converts were thus told to use Godan's name, ᚷᛟᛞ (God), so that the jews could more easily replace the Native European religion with the new judaic sect that worships Yahweh (יהוה).

God is not Yahweh and Yahweh is not God. Yahweh's name (יהוה) isn't God (ᚷᛟᛞ). Godan is the only god whose name is God (ᚷᛟᛞ). Yahweh and Godan are two very different gods from two different continents and different races. The Middle Eastern Yahweh (יהוה) is not a god of European origin, unlike Godan (ᚷᛟᛞᚨᚾ), who is. Neither is Godan the god of the Bible - the jewish god Yahweh is.

The name Godan/Goden comes from Wodan/Woden (which still today is Oden in Swedish), which is Odin. In proto-Germanic it's Wodanaz. In modern German it's Wotan. "D" and "T" are very close in many European languages, and the "d" in "Odin" is the Nordic letter ð (as in Óðinn) which is a mixture of "D" and "T". For D=T see also: archive.is/nck73 -- which is why it's Wotan in German, and hence why it's Gott instead of God (so Gott Mit Uns = Odin With Us).

>>54298114
>Lucifer
"Lucifer" or "Satan" is any nation and race that opposes the jewgod Yahweh. The name "Lucifer" means "bringer of light" and the jew-language name is "Helel" which means "the shining one". The jews need to operate in darkness; a climate of ignorance and lies, and can't stand the Light of Truth being shone on them. And in which culture was the "bringing of light" one of the most sacred traditions? The European one. Picrel. The Winter Solstice; the return of the Sun, when the "shining one" returns in the sky and brings back the light after the long dark winter and the Summer Solstice when the "shining one" is the highest in the sky and has brought the most light. By the way, here is the LSSAH, Hitler's personal SS regiment, celebrating the Winter Solstice: https://files.catbox.moe/fzdlzl.webm

>Its Gods (Yahweh's) beautiful world
The world is NOT Yahweh's, and any world that "Yahweh" -- in other words the jewish race (which is what Yahweh represents; they invented Yahweh in to represent themselves and unite jewry) -- attempts to bring into being can only be nightmarish and ugly; not beautiful, and is a mere corruption of the world.
>filled with unholy sinners and unholy obstacles from Satan
That is what the jews label non-jews, their enemies. Not believing in the "sanctity of the jews" and not advancing the jewish plan "Tikkun Olam" (the "healing of the world" aka" judaization and destruction of the world) makes one a "sinner", "unholy", "of the devil" or "in league with Satan" (which, again, is the opposer of Yahweh). The "unholy sinners" and "unholy obstacles" and "people of Satan" are the "Goyim"; people who are racially non-jewish and reside in non-jewish lands, and "Pagans"; non-jews who don't believe in the jewgod Yahweh and don't have a jewish or judaized worldview, values, beliefs and traditions. They're considered "unholy" (or "unwashed" in Freemasonic * terms), for they are the obstacles to jewry and to the fulfillment of Tikkun Olam.

>>54303200
* Freemasonry is a jewish instrument of judaization by the way.

And by the way, the Freemasonic term "unwashed" itself is jewish and talmudic in origin. The jews during their Christianization of Europe followed rabbinical instructions when they threw baptism water on their enemies. That baptism water is a symbolic circumcision which "washes away" everything that is Native to the converted enemy and washes away the "filth" of his Ancestors; symbolically circumcising him away from his own people. That is why they demanded of their enemies that they absolutely must be baptised, or in other words "washed", why they thought it so absolutely crucial. Non-jews could not be converted without going through this jewish symbolic circumcision ceremony. This is also why Freemasonry has as part of the ceremonies of initiation elements where the person being initiated is "washed" in water. Same jewish origin.

>>54299049
https://i.warosu.org/data/biz/img/0542/93/1679639306603771.jpg

These three posts: >>54303184 >>54303200 >>54303217 are reposts of posts that were deleted. Here: https://archived.moe/biz/thread/54293957/#54299002 you can see where in the thread they originally appeared.

>>54303184
>>54303200
I can't reply to your posts anymore because a janitor gave me a warning for posting about religion. Sucks to be oppressed, especially when so many lost souls could be helped.

>>54295601
>Gold and silver is backed by Rome.
based beyond belief

>>54303616
Gold is bound to space
Btc is bound to time

As the level of abstraction increases, the use case becomes more specific but also more overreaching at the same time. Like dimensions, btc being the 4th.

Yes, both have intrinsic metaphysical valu and are guided by it, but btc is literally gold a dimension above

>>54293957
They're backed by their properties as elemental metals. sage.

>>54303694
*value

>>54303694
memes aside i agree completely

>>54293957
you need AI for CPU's, CPUs need gold. Ai backed by gold

>>54304072
computers/microchips do not use very much gold, even on an industrial scale.
You'd have to peel thousands of sticks of ram to even get 1oz of gold. CPU pins are not much better.
Silver is used in much higher quantities with all electronic equipment. Gold is used in jewelry and I'm pretty sure thats where it holds most of its value. A luxury metal

>>54298695
When your enemy is making a mistake, don't interrupt them.
We are destroying ourselves. It was the only way to end the USA's grip on the world, it had to come from inside.

>>54304227
ye still need gold for CPUs

>>54304227
wait till quantum computing proliferates anon, they use a significant portion of gold, don't get me started on the space applications.

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