/biz/ - Business & Finance

I still remember journalists saying the last job to be replaced will be artists since it leverages human creativity. Turns out all the training material for things people like to look at already exists. Now The last things do go will be tasks that require manipulation of objects in real space that are technically challenging from an engineering perspective. Anything that exists solely on a computer is in the danger zone.

>>54260277
checked and kek’d

Still I don't know how to make money with this shit.

>>54260420
the last thing to go will be stuff that involves a human connection with customers

>>54260277
> im posting on this childrens cartoon forum to say i LE TOLD YOU SO about this very obvious thing happening in the world that every retard has been talking about for literally years now
wow amazing, you retarded loser

Why the fuck have I spent 8 years of my life studying programming instead of something physical like mechanical engineering? Damn you ChatGPT!

>>54260457
cry more codenegroid

>>54260443
Unironically sex.
Sex robots are very farfetched and will keep being even if Blade Runner tier.

>>54260443
looks like software developers will need to learn how to sell their tight bussy

NEET - is it smth positive or negative, anon, i can't decide

>>54260471
> le cry more le cope seethe le ngmi le go back
speaking of bots

>>54260443
dude...they literally have AI therapists now. the future is bleak

>>54260277
Wake me up at gpt-22 inkcel

>>54260495
how do you call someone who input instructions to a computer? (since the computer needs to be told what to do to begin with)

>>54260443
Physical connection, because chatbot combined with text2speech is already better than humans at being nice and helpful

>>54260586
You don't need a trained professional to operate tech that has been dumbed down to normie level. Remember how we used to have phone operators? Got automated away.

>>54260582
it’s clear the seething poorfags who are gloating about muh gtp never used it nor have ever worked in development lol

>>54260586
except one well trained dev with some prompt writing experience can now do the job of 20-100 mediocre devs

>>54260684
this has always been the case. keep seething. my job became more secure and easier lol.

>>54260693
in fact these bots will literally slow you down if you know what you are doing already. these bots are useful for teaching and learning, that’s about it.

>>54260586

prompt engineer

>>54260637
>>54260693
>>54260710
>still in denial
That's pretty sad, everyone else already realized they need to pivot to a new type of business, you guys will be left with pants down because you're so scared of the idea that you might have to do something else.

Coders should just learn a trade and get over it, the jobs aren’t coming back

>>54260729
>>54260729
i’m not scared of anything lmao you are just huffing your own 4tranny farts like every other incel who thinks they know everything yet likely lives in mommy’s basement unemployed and has zero real life experience. If coding was obsolete i would be the first to admit it, again these bots are good for learning but that is about it. It’s clear you haven’t used the bot for anything serious.

>>54260443
As a customer I don't want to interact with other people at all. I just want to push buttons on a screen and get my product/service. I'm probably not alone in hating phonecalls and preferring email/text.

>>54260277
I use that shit everyday, especially to summarize finance articles but for a 12 year old (my iq is really low)

Now I can understand anything I want because I literally have a personal teacher

>>54260762
Lol if you aren’t already using ai in your workflow as a code you are going to be replaced, our main developer cut his coding time down to a third of what it was before using chatgpt

>>54260762
Lol if you aren’t already using ai in your workflow as a code you are going to be replaced, our main developer cut his coding time down to a third of what it was before using chatgpt, we now expect similar performance from everyone

>>54260277
>NOO!!!! YOU'RE WRONG!!!!
>YOU'RE WRONG YOU -- YOU F.... YOU FUCKING NIGGER!!!!!
>CHAT GPT LITERALLY CANNOT WRITE CONDITIONAL LOGIC STATEMENTS!
>IT CAN'T WRITE LOOPS!!!!!!
>YOU NEED TO BE 300 IQ TO UNDERSTAND COLLEGE SOPHOMORE ALGORITHMS!!!!!
>CHAT GPT IS LITERALLY TOO DUMB TO DO THIS!!!!!
>OH... OH... SO I'M -- SO I'M FUCKING LAID OFF NOW?????
>FINE!!! FIIIIIIIIINE!!!!!!! I
>I'LL JUST GET 5 MORE FULLY REMOTE $500K/YEAR """TC""" JOBS!!!!!
>BECAUSE I CAN!!!!!!

>>54260277
from what i've seen it's able to produce some rudimentary functions but once you go deeper it turns into schizorphrenic ramblings. And no one hires people to write one rudimentary function at a time anymore. I tried to "write" a tg chatbot in python with only a little experience in python myself (so i had no idea what im doing) and even though that bot works, it's glitchy, half the feature are absent and i've spent a week trying to convince chatgpt to fix this shit to no avail.
Since it's basically a glorified stackoverflow solution applier it's no surprise it struggles with leetcode, not even saying anything about complex 10k+ LOC projects or optimizing code.

>>54260566
It's always been bleak. People are fucking retarded assholes anyway.

I don’t get it.
I’m doing code for my thesis and while it cannot solve complex problems it is a great assist tool for coding fast.

If anything this will help coders.

>>54260277
dude you will forever need humans to oversee, so the people that are actually professionals in the field will outshine you for the next 100000 generations by how much they earn compared to you

>>54261055
>oh this iteration of the AI that has been around for 6 months and isn’t even specialized in coding isn’t able to code specific use cases perfectly therefore my job is safe

Lmao

>>54261102
the reality of most codetranny jobs is webdev, and most webdev is gluing together APIs, abusing frameworks and packages, and, in general, re-inventing the wheel. the low IQ, low barrier to entry combined with comparatively high salaries (and minimal real-world consequences for mistakes) makes it the prime target for automation. software monkeys will deny this up until they're laid off -- IT'S ONLY DEI NIGGERS AND HR ROASTIES BEING LAID OFF SOFTWARE DEVS CAN NEVER BE LAID OFF!!!!!!! -- and forced to learn to load (trucks.)

The US dollar is collapsing and you're talking about chatGPT.
What are you going to do when your money isn't even accepted to buy eggs?

>tfw copywriter

>>54261183
Get a new bank account

>>54261091
Yeah and it'll also help non-coders do code. Much like SD helps artists, but also helps non-artists do art. Hence the whole "coders/artists losing jobs" thing.

>>54260762
No I'm making a project with AI right now, I know what I'm talking about. Do you?
Of course coding isn't obsolete yet but if you don't see the writing on the wall you don't look close enough

>>54261378

You niggers are all severely overestimating how smart non-coders are.

What will actually happen is that a lot of coders will expand what type of work they do, and as such product owners, business analysts, middle managers, etc will all become even more useless then they already are (see: fired).

The day the last developers loses his job to AI, is the day ALL humans will have lost their jobs to AI.

>>54260443
Yeah probably Chad salesmen will always be in demand and rich.

>>54261430
>product owners, business analysts, middle managers, etc will all become even more useless then they already are (see: fired).

these people have good social skills and a considerable rapport with middle and upper management. their job is to speak to plans, actions, and results -- their job is to manage data and processes. your autistic stuttering ass will never replace them.

>>54260277
two more years right?

>>54261455

I used to do sales in college, and now I'm a developer. Sure there are completely autistic developers, but there are also plenty that aren't.

And all of them are more useful than some professional corporate cuck that sits in useless meetings all day pretending to be important but having 0 effect to the bottom line, because they only understand 2% of what is going on.

Literally just read 'How to win friends and influence people' and you'll do a better job at being a cuck than 95% of them.

>>54260277
It can't code for shit, I'm using it for my new project. Even after I gave him whole library codebase with embeddings, every code it wrote was pajeet code. Not optimized, bloated, retarded, mediocre. Pajeets will learn how to use it and we'll have more bloated software. But when you need to get real things done, you'll need me. Not gpt-jew, not pajeets.

>>54261455

You're probably some inexperienced 19 years old and have this romanticized image of working.

But here's what 10 years of working has taught me:

-Good developers (or other people that actually make shit) are the only one creating actual value
-Most product owners/middle managers etc, are just friendly faces that deal with the whiny bullshit of other managers with slightly different objectives, making sure the bitching doesn't get out of hand too much. They're glorified assistants, with cooler sounding titles.
-The only other valuable job is sales, which will in part get automated, but not all of it.

>>54260277
software devs don't do indian bulk work anymore. Most of my job is just optimizing the same dogshit code GPT prints out. It'll just replace the indians.

>>54261635
i'm a finance senior manager at a fortune 20 company. i appreciate your wisdom, it's cute.

>>54261648
>>54261566
It’s cute you all think this version of chatgpt will stay the same with no progress and won’t get better at coding

>>54261813
two more weeks.

>>54261451
this. and they will continue to treat everbody underneath them like garbage

>>54261682
>finance senior manager

Yeah I'm sure you'll have plenty of high paid clients willing to pay you for bookkeeping, tax, and financial reports (/presentations), when AI will do that job 100 times better, a million times faster, and a thousand times cheaper.

lmao, gl finance bro

>>54260975
this, but its nice to have a way to override the automated system when there's a malfunction

>>54261032
it can't solve basic leetcode problems, jeet. Programmers won't go anywhere, ironically it's the outsourcing and cheap shitskin labor which will be replaced

>>54262443

>I found this 1 area where it only solves 30/50% of questions, and therefor it will never be able to do it

>>54262016
You’re just simply clueless if you think AI will replace finance jobs. You’re probably a 25 year old Jr Dev who doesn’t know shit about shit.

>>54262583
>30/50%
lmao it's more like 10% Stay seething programmers won't go anywhere, the internet didn't kill them, google didn't kill them, an advanced google ("AI") won't kill them either

>>54260277
gigasenior software dev here. Not a silicon valley faggot, I actually make things that work and if they don't people die.
If/when GPT-4 can replace me, it can replace literally everyone that works behind a desk. Probably a good part of blue collar as well - I worked in automation for a good while, you would be surprised how far automation has gotten already.
Right now, for me GPT-4 is potentially a better compiler. I can use it as a tool which makes me 10x more effective. But as it is today, there's zero chances it can replace me.

>>54262016
>bookkeeping, tax, and financial reports (/presentations)
you have no idea what i do

>>54261430
>it... I... you... it's actually the exact opposite to the thing you said, how about that? The exact opposite, now what?

Is a computer science bachelors worthless after ChatGPT?

>>54262805

>talk to client about business need
>have some juniors make some reports
>present them to clients

You think those clients are going to pay a shitload of money when all that work can be done better/cheaper/faster through a SAAS web chat client? Do you think people enjoy dealing with finance bros, so much so, that they're going to give you money out of the kindness of their heart?

>>54262969
>clients
you have no idea what i do. i don't work at a professional services firm. there is no client.

>>54261012
That's idiotic, chatgpt will often give too bad advice.

>>54262987

There's such a thing as internal clients. But fine, I don't know exactly what you're doing.

I'm sure you're some great strategist, with lot's of important connections, who won't ever be replaced. (Even though you've never produced anything of value, and people only pay you because it currently seems like a positive ROI move).

>>54260420
Real artists won't be replaced, imitators are rightfully being phased out.
Ask yourself this: do we really need hundeeds of thousands of "artists" who make the same thing over and over?

>>54261455
You just need a good PM, UX Designer, 2 devs and QA to handle most projects. The PM is basically there to intercept retarded upper management who has no idea how tech works whining about why everything wasn't done yesterday when the project started a week ago. Ai is a good tool but not a replacement for anything...yet unless it means piling 2 to 3 projects for that same team.

good thing i dropped out of my cs major with a 3.8 gpa upon mandatory vaccination and got a comfy driving job

>>54260420
no one is using jeet ai art which can’t even into fingers.

>>54260277
funniest part about all of this is it was only possible for gpt-4 to get so good because coders have been autistically working for free and putting all of it on github to inflate their egos

>>54260463
>Bachelors of Science, Mechanical Engineering
>66k/year

>>54260277
please tell us your current occupation so we can laugh at you

People really be thinking that software engineering is spamming code snippets. This is just a slightly more convenient stack overflow.

>learn to code

Nah. Learn to plumb/roof/weld/farm/

We're decades away from having mass produced robots that can crawl under your house to replace a water heater or fix a dryer vent.

Real skills = real money
Virtual skills = done better by Ai = no money for you

>>54262701
This is the correct answer. Anyone who claims otherwise outs themselves as low skilled larper, who is the actual one in risk of replacement

>>54263350
> jeet ai art which can’t even into fingers.

Funny thing is the latest version of mid journey has fixed this, same thing will happen with coding, ai is being improved at literal light speed and all these “coders” are already behind the times

>all of these issues will be solved by implementing a Universal Income™ based system
>prices skyrocket and poverty shoots up as once even high earning coders will be left on the sidewalk as AI wanglers will be the only ones in the middle class

>>54263581
that’s funny, i can literally instantly tell just by looking at ai art which looks like absolute garbage lmao everything about ai art sucks.

>>54260420
Cope seethe and dial8. Manual niggers easily replaced by Boston dynamic robotics. Me who is a high level data engineer will always have my comfy work from home job making 300k plus for 1 hour of work

>>54260443
>work in sales you ungrateful zoomer
KYS boomer go consume more

>>54260277
Yeah it's kinda fucked up. I am a midwit (probably 110-115 IQ, maybe higher but alcohol and depression dampen me), I was trying to get into coding for the longest time but never got past the point of the absolute basics, couldn't really create any program or code of any value. Now I fucked around with GPT-4 and wrote multiple working programs and shit. You can become a really good coder in one day now basically, you still have to kinda get used to working with all the software you need to install, and the file structures, but you can literally ask chat gpt that anyways and it will guide you through it. Then you just describe what your program shall do, and it gives you some code. Now, it will mess it up probably, but for any syntax/formal mistakes you can use any software like VSCode and just look for errors, and feed them to GPT and it will instantly find the problem and change the code. If the code simply doesn't work the way you want to, you can also just re-explain what you want and it will change it. It's not "over" for software devs, but yeah now it's basically like learning elementary school math. Someone who has learned coding from the ground up probably still has an edge in some way, but that edge will fucking disappear in 2 years max because the AI will simply stop making mistakes and just give out perfect code for anything you want to build.

>>54260582
>>54260637
I don't get this argument, have you seen the improvements it made over the last 2 years? At this pace it's gonna be better than any human in the very near future. The test scores are just gonna go up, they're not coming down anymore. You guys are literally the ones saying that a there will never be a plane that flies from New York to London.

Is it too late to lean to code? I already paid my deposit to attend the bootcamp.

>>54264219
kids like you always out yourselves as underage lol, tech usually advances like this and then there is a halt in progress for literal decades.
>NOOOOOO LINE GO UP FOREVER BBBBBB-B-B-B--B-B-BB-B-BBECAAAAAUUUUSEEEE

>>54264057
The biggest problem with Boston dynamics robots are mobile power solutions. Their robots do not last very long on a charge and require long charge times.
Replaceable battery packs may help this, but until chemistry gives us something more robust than lithium ion ironically blue collar workers will be the last to be replaced.

>>54264364
This. I hate these Reddit fags. Intelligence comes from the divine spark of God and there will never, ever be anything like a truly sentient artificial intelligence. It is literally not going to happen, ever. God will not allow it. Sick of these faggots.

>>54264398
NOOOO ITS THE HECKIN SINGULARITYYYY

>>54264225
Of course it's worth it. With GPT, having just a solid programming foundation is enough to build and iterate really quickly. GPT may replace programmers at some point, but it won't replace entrepreneurs.

>>54261813
We're at least a year away from chatgpt being able to write solid code. At best, prompt engineers will become a thing and PMs/BAs will end up feeding chat gpt requirements.
It's slowly over for code fags.

>>54262701
>If/when GPT-4 can replace me, it can replace literally everyone that works behind a desk.
That is unironically what they're hoping chatgpt will do. When it gets, "good enough" watch out. That day is coming.

>>54260277
Unironically learn a trade. I had to do some home repair on my water heater the other day and in the process remarked that it will be at least 100 years before they can make a machine that does this kind of bullshit.

Crawling around, draining water, disconnecting wires, unscrewing elements with a breaker bar and putting all that back together - there's no way to automate this kind of horse shit.

>>54264502
if a job could possibly get replaced by chatgpt then it was a bullshit job to begin with. All these superfluous meme code jobs need to go away regardless

>>54261398
"Coding" will essentially be obsolete, but you still need someone who isn't an idiot to tell the AI what code to build. Therefore, you need someone who understands the tools and how to interface them to create something useful. That's all that has changed. All GPT4 has done is take the annoying tedium out of coding and make it possible for people who already have skills to build things more quickly and more effectively.

Give GPT to some random roastie or nigger on the street and tell them to build you a website that takes payment from Venmo and displays a puppy image or something and they're still not going to be able to do it, but now it is trivial and fast for anyone who understands these tools.

TL;DR: "software engineers" still needed...code monkies will be obsolete.

>>54264548
Pretty much, it's ironic to me that every prediction about AI and robots destroying manual labor isn't coming true but instead is coming for every white collar and creative role first simply because robots and mobile power solutions aren't that good.

>>54260277
>>54260471
two more weeks!

>>54260277
so how could i, as a non coder, use this to produce something cool?

where do i start?

>>54261566
Have you used the paid version? GPT4 is infinitely better than 3.5 at coding. It's incredible honestly. Have used it to build many financial agreement smart contracts that would have otherwise been a pain in the ass to make.

>>54261682
What does a "finance senior manager" do exactly?

>>54264646
>Have used it to build many financial agreement smart contracts
So literal hello world tier text documents that do nothing? lmao

>>54261682
Also, what is a "finance senior manager" (someone with such an important sounding title) doing on biz (which is a shitcoin forum) on a Wednesday morning during work hours? Are you telling us that your Fortune 20 company is run by people who peruse biz for financial information? Is that why all these companies are failing?

>>54264689
>So literal hello world tier text documents that do nothing? lmao
Can you not extrapolate and see that it's getting better with each generation? Don't forget, as the AI-model scales it learns new (novel) skills that it previously didn't have; it's not just getting better at what it already does, it learns new stuff somehow.

>>54264641
What do you want to produce?

>>54264219
>heh gpt 4 kills the codefags
>It doesn't
>BUT WHAT ABOUT FUTURE WHICH CLEARLY ISN'T GPT 4 ????????
If I was scared of future I would be scared of death you dumb faggot. Does GPT 4 affects me now ? no so why the fuck should I care about it ?

>>54264689
>hello world tier text documents

What?

>>54260277
AI won't take your CS job. People who know how to work with AI will take your CS job.

>>54264750
>Can you not extrapolate and see that it's getting better with each generation? Don't forget, as the AI-model scales it learns new (novel) skills that it previously didn't have; it's not just getting better at what it already does, it learns new stuff somehow.

>>54260277
Can someone tell me why every single software dev i talk to thinks AI wont replace them?
I dont understand how someone can be so delusional, i've been talking about this with friends for years, saying this would happen and now it is happening, and they still say it wont happen

Any software dev can explain to me how it wont happen?
Its literally called "programming" how would an ultra advanced robot not be better than you at doing it?

>>54264683
forecasting and budgeting.
>>54264715
i work from home.

>>54263350
But it can do amazing feet now. We just need a hand fetishist to take it upon himself to train the AI.

>>54264683
Same as what any manager or consultant does - nothing ever. Anything comes up they just make it up as they go along. This is why their jobs are safe - because noone can say it's wrong since it's all subjective. Programmers are getting exposed because they tried to do good honest work.

Now, of course consultancy can be actually useful sometimes. But 99% of the time it's not.

>>54264586
Those predictions were just retards anthropomorphizing AI. Why would you assume a computer would find the same things difficult to learn that we do?

Any human can go out into the world and perform manual tasks that very few machines can, but any machine can calculate large numbers and process data instantly, something very few humans can do. So why would a machine be better at manual tasks before data based and analytical tasks?

>>54260277
>he thought businesses paying people 400k to copy+paste from stackoverflow wouldn't try to optimize away the cost

your job is always at risk if you earn a high income. never forget that. software developers literally obsoleted their own jobs.

>>54265194
99% of the hype from AI is from people who don't understand how it works. Of the people who understand how it works, <1% have actually written AI code. If programming were so easy, software pay would have crashed to zero a long time ago. Labor supply whores have been throwing indians and assorted others at software for decades now and software pay still hasn't crashed. Most people don't even understand why computing is so useful, much less programming.

>>54260623
>has been dumbed down to normie level.
What happens when thing break and no one knows what the fuck?
The reality is we don't know what the fuck is under the hood once the "learning" happens. I am sure there are going to plenty of guess wizard proomter positions available.

Your job is always at risk if you're earning a comparatively high income relative to the median. Market forces want to bring you down to the baseline. If you're making 100% more than the median it's up to you to be continuously improving before your previously in-demand skills are automated.

Physical work is also not safe.

Tradies' days are numbered once they start build homes designed bottom up to be maintainable by robots (standardized interchangable components, easily replaceable / manipulated by robot arms).

>>54266243
I want my forever home to have 3D printed walls. I've been super impressed with the of the developments that are already done in AZ and TX.

>>54264814
lmao are you retarded? you have 1 year max
>>54264364
mental illness

>>54266243
Yeah but that one's probably much much further in the future. Robotics is kinda disappointing but maybe they are also not that far away from a paradigm shift

>>54266335
>https://www.iconbuild.com/projects/the-genesis-collection-at-wolf-ranch
It's already here. Watch some videos on this subdivision project. They're building homes better, faster, and cheaper than traditional timber framing methods. The company has substantially more demand than they have machines.

>>54260277
Learn to mine coal

>>54264398
there will always be something humans have that computers dont

>>54266243
cool 3d house, pitiful, tiny arid plot

I think the key is just being able to think outside the box.

My understanding is that it's basically a giant interpolation machine. How good it is at doing what you're doing is a function of how many examples it can find of stuff similar to what you're doing.

As a gamedev I'm not worried about this as it relates to my work, I thought about why and I think it's because the kind of code that I am writing now has probably never been written before, because my game is pretty unusual. GPT4 is not able to produce anything remotely similar to my game code because a game like this hasn't been made before. Actually I'm pretty excited about all the AI tools that are coming out that will make non-code elements of gamedev much easier like AI art and animations.

>>54266539
>he didn’t pay his taxes

Ohnonono, guess I was the only one playing the rules, get fucked.

>>54260277
I don’t know the software dev industry very well, it could be distinct from the situation I’ll describe, but I wanted to mention this.

I’m a lawyer and in absolutely zero way am I threatened by ChatGPT or any other language model. As has been said in this thread, the model is frequently incorrect and essentially useless for any somewhat high level work. But it isn’t as simple as “lol just wait until version 7 comes out”. Language models are only as useful as their inputs. Very few traditional professions (accounting, law etc) actually put serious advice out there on the internet for anyone to see. The whole point is to write some vague blogpost on your firm site to get people to contact you for a very specific question. And even if you think that the language model will churn through every case, regulation, statue etc and find the “right answer” it is meaningless unless you are asking the right question. Which is essentially what the concept of a prompt engineer is. Most professions will become prompt engineers of their particular sector, which is essentially no different from what we have now with the Internet.

Which is why (for anyone 120+ IQ) it’s pretty obvious that ChatGPT is just Google in high school level paragraph form. Anyone who knows what genuine advice sounds like is utterly unimpressed by what GPT says about much of anything. It’s just Twitter fanboys engagement farming about the new “iPhone moment”.

Again, software could be different because of how widespread open source coding is, and generally how “free” the culture of the industry is. But this should be a caution to the industry to stop obsoleting yourselves by giving away all of your work. What did you think would happen?

>>54266243
and who is going to set all of that up?
physical work will be the last to go

If robots are building shit, and AI is writing shit, then what am I doing here trying to scam morons out of their cash with ponzi schemes?
Do I exist just to solve captchas?

>>54266621
Models will be able to read the entire modern corpus of case law and respond to prompts with citations. Law firms of the future will not need teams of analysts. We will still need the profession of law but it will require fewer people. I'm a SWE and can relate this to programming. People that integrate systems together will still be needed, but most of the brute force monkey work will be automated. The bar for actually doing something productive is going to be raised significantly in all white collar fields.

>>54263350
>which can’t even into fingers.
Funny, because 90% of the self proclaimed "artists" can't draw hands.

>>54266621
As long as humans remain the arbiters of what is right/wrong there will always be a need for lawyers.

I think what would be more effective for the legal industry is applications of symbolic AI rather than stuff like GPT/deep learning/neural networks which falls under probabilistic AI. Symbolic AI would be software creating logically valid arguments that could be used in court. Probabilistic AI is all the rage right now but symbolic systems are still very much being actively researched.

Ultimately though, for law, what would remove lawyers from the equation is when humans do not become the decides of what is right or wrong. An example of that would be a smart contract, where "code is law" and a court system where lawyers present arguments before a judge and jury is completely irrelevant. But that's still a ways off

>>54266539
based fellow gamedev anon
Ive tried to use chatgpt in my dev work and it just CANT do shit aside from shit like basic movement code (which takes <1 minute after you have like a week of experience kek)
theres just too much to feed into the ai for it to ever understand a game. If it ever reaches the point where you can just pljg it in, train it on the data that exists really quickly, and it creates the rest though, we would already be at the point of no return for it, and EVERYONE (even tradies) will be fucked

Tldr: any dev who isnt doing code monkey shit or webshitter work will be safe. AI has effectively widened the skill area of coding. It made the skill floor lower while also increasing it a tiny bit

>>54264750
>Don't forget, as the AI-model scales it learns new (novel) skills that it previously didn't have
You really have no idea of how AI works. Normies need to stop coming here, this is just painful and pitiful.

>>54266857
Agreed

>>54260420
>accounting will be automated! - 1982
The only safe wfh job. Turns out people would rather pay $1000 to dump all of their paperwork onto some guy with a suit and have them do all of the work, even if that guy is entering all of the data into a program.

>>54266772
> respond to prompts
There’s that idea again. The problem with people who need legal advice is that they specifically don’t know what “prompts” to give. Every lawyer will tell you that what you ultimately do in law school is learn how to “spot issues”.

If you use GPT assuming you know what the right questions are, and you receive answers to your questions that you think are actually instructive about what to do, there are going to be many MANY people with completely incorrect understandings of their risk exposures.

The first companies that implement this in lieu of legal staff will be disasters.

>>54267075
My argument isn't that language models will replace law firms, they'll rather make law firms massively more time-efficient and reduce or eliminate the need for junior staff. Less people will be able to do substantially more work.

>>54260277
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifJD7JlSZgw

Metal Gear Solid 2 was soft disclosure. Also Deus Ex had some red pills.

>>54264139
No offense, but you have no idea what you're talking about
Writing code is the easy part. AI will help with that, but nobody really needs it.
Writing software is making a machine out of thought. The hard part is envisioning that machine, and fitting all the pieces together, in a way that makes sense.
Making the pieces, which is what AI does today and seemingly what you struggle with, is trivial.
When AI can walk around a factory, a building site, and talk to people and devise a solution from that, then call me back.
AI will replace all pajeets code monkeys, but nobody but retarded "product managers" wanted them involved in the first place.

>>54267141
I’ll agree somewhat, but I’m not even sure about that. Law firms make their money through the junior staff. You use the reputation of the partner to give easier work to an associate who can still bill pretty hefty hourly charges.

Even if you can do research a little better (assuming you have the right prompts and the model works) and even if you can write a brief a little quicker (in reality most briefs are already 90% pre-written in large firms), you still need a human to review the final documents to scan for those “issues” I mentioned earlier.

In some respects I could see the actually adding overall billable hours for lawyers. Obviously firms are publishing blogs to try to stay on top of technology and not look like laggards, but I think the impact of this stuff is overstated by at least an order of magnitude.

>>54267260
Referring back to this >>54260582 It seems like the bot is about on par knowledge-wise as someone fresh out of law school, who is only useful for basic shit that requires zero strategic vision. It's going to take a few years for tools to be developed, but I think purpose made bots will be able to outcompete new grads most of the time.

>>54261451
nah AI can learn to sell and have access to all the salesman material, courses and product information
AI will be a better salesman than any human

Last to go will be blue collar work unironically

Building a robot to come in and fix your plumbing? Or put up a building? Climb into awkward spaces and weld them out?
The amount of money and materials that would go into building those robots would be better spent on a human because the robots we have today can't even put a fucking wiener on a bun.

>>54260443

masseuse chads rise up

>>54267501
Surprisingly I disagree again. As every lawyer will tell you, the bar exam does not prepare you for real life practice. These are closed-universe scenarios where the only possible answers are four provided responses. Like all text based exams, they basically hint at the answers with their phrasing. I would bet most competent >120 IQ people could do reasonably well on the MBE with zero legal training just by picking up on the hints in the language of the answers.

It’s not accurate to say that by passing the MBE, GPT has matched junior attorneys. No junior would get anywhere waving around their MBE score, even in their early years. It’s just an archaic bar attorneys have to pass by convention.

>>54261183

you forgot to add

>armed men will come into your house at night and kill you if you don’t accept their transactions

>>54267775
Hmm, okay. I'm not too familiar with what junior attorney's actually do, I'm more familiar with how the AI algorithms work. As a programmer, GPT4 is better than a google search but it can't actually replace a code monkey yet. Thanks for the info, anon.

>>54260277
I said it was an astro turf to off load toxic securities after vesting and I was right.