/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>54133139
>Credit Suisse default swaps right now. Enjoy the collapse of capitalism. As, from my analysis, the Swiss government has no regulatory framework nor monetary capability to bailout this unregulated, lolbertarian capitalistic mafia banking behemoth.
>Lolberts are killing the very thing they love. Capitalism. The exploitation of other human beings. The ONLY thing they love. How appropriate

>>54133162
>>Credit Suisse default swaps right now. Enjoy the collapse of capitalism. As, from my analysis, the Swiss government has no regulatory framework nor monetary capability to bailout this unregulated, lolbertarian capitalistic mafia banking behemoth.
>>Lolberts are killing the very thing they love. Capitalism. The exploitation of other human beings. The ONLY thing they love. How appropriate

>>54133139
Nobody cares. Nothing will happen. It's fucking business as usual.

>>54133267
Bollocks, isn’t this gonna be the death of the Swiss? This shits 10 times worse than SVB

>>54133139
The collapse of keynsianism is the return to capitalism

Why can’t I invest in credit default swaps as a McDonalds wagie?

>>54133139
Another thread glowie? Im going to go read Rothbard then fuck my teenage gf and theres nothing you can do about it. Oh and still not selling my BTC.

>>54133139
>Capitalism
Capitalism only means private ownership of the means of production and that is not failing. What you are seeing fail is the last remnant of planned economy, the blatant manipulation of the price of money, socialism.

>>54133139
>lines going up and down

Someone explain this to me
How does a bank lose money? Shouldn't the money be in its vault?

>>54133162
>>54133180
damn, glowies are doing unpaid overtime today

>>54133367
The Swiss is 10x better off than any EU country in just about every aspect. Just have a look at their inflation rates over the past 15 years compared to germany, the uk or any other country near the swiss for example. It will be handled like always.

>>54133573
ceci

>>>Credit Suisse default swaps right now. Enjoy the collapse of capitalism. As, from my analysis, the Swiss government has no regulatory framework nor monetary capability to bailout this unregulated, lolbertarian capitalistic mafia banking behemoth.
>>>Lolberts are killing the very thing they love. Capitalism. The exploitation of other human beings. The ONLY thing they love. How appropriate

>>54133139
Nothing is going to happen.
Even if something did they will fix it by bailing Credit Suisse out.
It worked well for SVB this week and now everything is back to normal.

>>54133139
>default swaps
what does this mean?
all i see is big pointy graph

>>54133139
>lolbertarian capitalistic mafia banking

Central banks printing money to create massive unsustainable credit bubbles is the complete opposite of what Libertarians support.
Libertarians have been arguing against central banking for hundreds of years.

Libertarians were right.
We told you so.

>>54133941
that's not enough to save CS now, is it?

>>54133986
As the thread tranny I feel obligated to point out that I support abolishing the US Dollar and letting commodities like gold and silver become the new medium for trade

>>54133994
There's nothing that is back to normal. There is infinite QE.

>>54137057
QE works, and saved the economy and banks from collapsing.

>>54133994
>they will fix it by bailing Credit Suisse out.
Its too big to save says Roubini

>>54137204
if we let the banks fail and restructure, we wouldn't be in this mess today

>>54137337
cant let jews fail

>>54137337
What mess?
Its already been fixed, and it was easy to do.
There is no point in letting the banks fail and risk a collapse in the economy when there are such easy fixes.

>>54133994
Credit Suisse is not an American bank, they wont be bailing anything out, at best the will bail out any deposits that are under USA jurisdiction

>>54133139
>lolberts
>end of capitalism

>>54136909
>trannoider shills boomer stones.

>>54138265
Letting banks fail and letting the economy restructure is a much easier fix than propping up zombie parasite banks

see the 1920 recession, and see iceland in 2008

>>54133834
They know that if the system falls they'll become jobless lmao

>Credit Suisse default swaps right now. Enjoy the collapse of capitalism. As, from my analysis, the Swiss government has no regulatory framework nor monetary capability to bailout this unregulated, lolbertarian capitalistic mafia banking behemoth.
>Lolberts are killing the very thing they love. Capitalism. The exploitation of other human beings. The ONLY thing they love. How appropriate

>>54133139
>enjoy the collapse of capitalism

Lol. I’ll be there to scoop up the cheapies while you’re working off the hangover of your anarcho orgy of destruction. I’ll have armed guards and futuristic tech ready to deploy and make you give me whatever it is we trade with. Either that or you’ll get stuck in a concentration camp in Nevada mining lithium.

>>54136909
Wow, you really are like women.

>as the thread tranny

Show your disfigured, limp dugs or gtfo.

>>54133139
>The exploitation of other human beings.
You're fucking retarded. Humans beings have been exploiting other human beings since the dawn of pre-history.

>>54133139
> Credit Suisse default swaps right now. Enjoy the collapse of capitalism. As, from my analysis, the Swiss government has no regulatory framework nor monetary capability to bailout this unregulated, lolbertarian capitalistic mafia banking behemoth.

>Lolberts are killing the very thing they love. Capitalism. The exploitation of other human beings. The ONLY thing they love. How appropriate

>>54133139
we had capitalism?

>>54136590
Based and redpilled.

>>54136590
based and snekpilled

>>54138912
>>54138988
Yes!

>>54133139
lolbertarians are the ones asking daddy US govt for bailouts... and getting them.

As an American, why should I care if some Susei bank goes under?
Isn't europe poor already? One of their little shacks that trades grain for scrap iron going out of business shouldnt affect us, right?

>>54137204
Shalom

>>54139051
>lolbertarians are the ones asking daddy US govt for bailouts...
Libertarians are the biggest voice AGAINST bailouts you massive liar.

What kind of fucking mental gymnastics do you need to claim Libertarians support bailouts?
Eat shit.

>>54133139
>Swiss government has no regulatory framework nor monetary capability
Can you offer more detail, or are you just a 1pbtid?
pic rel: CS bonds are also crashing

>>54133139
Your gonna get raped...
>by jews

>>54139206
>SVB getting govt money
>>Libertarians are the biggest voice AGAINST bailouts you massive liar.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>54139258
svb getting gov money is against libertarianism it's literally keynsian policy imbecile, the keynsians are so retarded they just abolished fractional reserve lending, since they told they will do bailouts of 100% of balance.

Fucking keynsian parasites.

>>54133573
This

>>54139258
>>54139294
and btw keynes was a fabian socialist

>>54133994
>It worked well for SVB this week
They bailed out the depositors, not the bank itself, which is now dead.
By the way, if they hadn't bailed out the depositors, the depositors would have lost only 10% to 15% of their deposits. They got bailed out completely because they "contribute" to politicians.

>>54139258
>>SVB getting govt money
>>>Libertarians are the biggest voice AGAINST bailouts you massive liar.
How do these things contradict themselves?
LMAO
So a bunch of progressive woke keynesians at SVB advocate for bailouts and you think this magically has something do with with Libertarianism?

LMAO

>>54138893
Calling what we just went through Capitalism is an act of masochism akin to sucking dick for bus money and walking home anyways.

>>54139294
>>54139343
>svb getting gov money is against libertarianism it's literally keynsian policy imbecile
who were the one screaming on twitter for the govt to bail out SVB because
>muh poor depositors
>muh tech startups won't be able to pay their employees
>muh systemic risk
LMAO, you lolbertarians are such hypocrites.

>>54139378
>>54139294
Reminder that keynes was also a pedophile that went to third world countries to have sex with little boys.

>>54138265
>and risk a collapse in the economy
This is FUD. Don't swallow that lie.
Healthy banks and investors can buy up the good pieces of failed banks and let the sick pieces evaporate. It's the right medicine.

can anyone explain this to me

>>54139397
Well that settles it.

>>54133139
What's this mean? What OS Credit Suisse?

>>54139385
>who were the one screaming on twitter for the govt to bail out SVB because
>>muh poor depositors
>>muh tech startups won't be able to pay their employees
>>muh systemic risk
Not Libertarians.
Libertarians on twitter were the ones the MOST against bailouts.
What the fuck are you even talking about? lmao you're unironically clueless

>you lolbertarians are such hypocrites.
You leftists can't stop lying and projecting your own failures and bad decisions onto us.

>>54139385
>who were the one screaming on twitter for the govt to bail out SVB because

Investors gambling on the keynsian system pumping money once again to save a degenerate banking system that main business is being an tax collecting agent for governments.

>>54139385
>muh poor depositors

Keynsians created civil forfeiture and put taxes on crypto and gold, they force people to use banks and then these banks go down in 2 hours because they force banks to buy bonds giving 1% interest with 10% infllation.

When the gold standard collapsed in 1971 the biggest usd cash bill in ciruclation was the 10k usd bill and a house was 15k.

So inflaton adjusted that single bill from your wallet was worth 300k usd, the last 50 years of bankarization is against capitalism by non marxists socialists aka fabian socialists.

>muh tech startups won't be able to pay their employees

Of course they are seething the government forces them to use banks and then the bank goes down in 3 hours because they bought government bonds that are total shit.

>muh systemic risk

Yea the entire banking cabal is totally connected now funds are moving to "too big to fail banks" while destroying smaller banks, this unironically makes too big to fail banks dangerous because they will start to buy shit collateral.

FUCK THE BANKING SYSTEM
FUCK YOU
FUCK KEYNES
AND FUCK FRACTIONAL RESERVE BANKING

>>54139258
Elaborate please

>>54139468
imagine people who talk about about "thing bad" until it affects them
>muh libertardian party
I bet you think politicians are trustable. what an absolute retard.

>>54139468
they guy you are talking is a mentally ill communist, don't waste your time.

The sad shit is that as a libertarian bailouts or not is irrelevant at this point.

The problem is bankarization of the economy, as a libertarian this is not 2008 i don't have a face to tell those business fuck you because you used x bank.

Because if they operated on cash the golems would seize it due to civil forfeiture laws, if they operated on crypto as collateral for liquidity they would pay tax on it.

This does not stop until the last keynsian is hanged with the entrails of the last marxist.

>>54139512
>imagine people who talk about about "thing bad" until it affects them
But they didn't.
When push comes to shove Libertarians actually stuck to their principals.
The entirety of Libertarian twitter is AGAINST bailouts.
They were against bailouts in 2008, they are against bailouts now.
It's you LEFTIST KEYNESIANS who supported the bailouts.

Nobody is falling for your shit anymore.
Kill yourself.

>I bet you think politicians are trustable.
We don't. It's just some are better than others.
Also the Mises Caucus took over the Libertarian party. Cope.

>>54139512
>imagine people who talk about about "thing bad" until it affects them
*imagine believing them

>>54139509
just look at the actual responses by the richest lolbertardians on twitter out there when SHTF. they were pressuring the govt into giving them their money back, otherwise their poor, poor tech startups would have lost money.

>>54139509
>Elaborate please
You're asking elaboration from somebody who has proven in his posts that he is completely clueless about libertarianism.

>>54139531
>This does not stop until the last keynsian is hanged with the entrails of the last marxist.
holy based

>>54139572
>just look at the actual responses by the richest lolbertardians on twitter
Where?
You're literally just lying lmao.
Everyone can see through your bullshit.
The most famous and richest Libertarians, like Tom Woods, Peter Schiff, Michael Malice, Dave Smith, Thomas Massie are all extremely against bank bailouts.
In fact they are the loudest voices against it.

Why can't you stop lying?
Is it an addiction to lying or something?
Touch grass.

>>54133834
It's interesting to watch for sure

>>54139572
>otherwise their poor, poor tech startups would have lost money.
These companies were started by left liberal keynesians, not Libertarians.,

>>54133139
This really isn't capitalisms but okay.

>>54138265
I thought you were trolling at first and chuckled a bit
You genuinely believe this?

>>54133139
I'm still waiting for pic rel anon's info to be proven out or not.

>>54138278
It doesn't matter, the US Federal Reserve will step in and bail out anything if it threatens the US economy.

>>54139327
>Silicon Valley Bank changed its name to Silicon Valley Bridge Bank
The bank is still alive, all they did was literally added an extra word to the bank name, its basically the same bank.

>>54138386
Letting the economy restructure means tens of millions of people being laid off, thousands of companies shut down, and total chaos in society.
Why would you want that?

>>54139430
Yes, which would create a monopoly, and how would that be a better situation?
The least risky thing to do is to bail out the banks and move on with life as if nothing happened, which as shown this week, works out.

>>54139933
What's wrong with my arguments?
Bailing out SVB was an easy and simple fix vs risking economic collapse and societal chaos.
Its a no brainer choice.

>>54141997
>Yes, which would create a monopoly, and how would that be a better situation?
It's worse than no crisis but it's better to let losers be losers and winners be winners. Else you create zombies.
>The least risky thing to do is to bail out the banks and move on with life as if nothing happened, which as shown this week, works out.
All regional banks, even those that have taken low risks, will be forced to contribute to an insurance fund that will make SVB depositors whole. Those banks will pass on the loss in the form of lower interest rates on deposits and higher interest rates on loans. Individuals will lose in the long term, so they will move to "systemically important" banks and the regional banks will decay. So less competition, fewer and more centralized banks, less market efficiency.

>>54141997
>which would create a monopoly
I didn't finish my thought.
Let fucked up banks die and let new banks get launched to fill the void.

>>54133139
Nothing.
Ever.
Happens.

>>54142313
Anon, banks are failing. The entire banking system cannot get bailed out if a crash happens.

>>54133603
Working as intended

>>54142247
>It's worse than no crisis but it's better to let losers be losers and winners be winners. Else you create zombies.
What zombies? SVB is already back to being a working bank like it was before last Friday's failure.

> Individuals will lose in the long term, so they will move to "systemically important" banks and the regional banks will decay.
Its funny that you make this argument because other anti bailout advocates like Peter Schiff make the opposite argument.
Schiff would say that bailing out these regional banks create moral hazard where depositors will gravitate to more "reckless" banks like SVB and stay away from the "systematically important" banks which are more conservative because they are more regulated.
I am inclined to agree with Schiff in that the bailouts will keep the regional banks alive against the big banks.

>>54137204
QE works to solve liquidity issues. It is a disaster for everybody in the long run. Infinite QE puts the dollar at an infinitely decreasing value. Why would anybody hold dollars when there's a literal infinite supply of it?

>https://www.amazon.com/Theory-Money-Credit-Ludwig-Mises/dp/1620871610
Libertarians being right again? Who could've imagined.
Now you dumb socialists have to choose between recession or inflation. Either way, the poor people who you definitively very much care about will end up paying for everything.

>>54133139
>LE CAPITALISM LE BAD
Millennioomer hands typed this.

>>54142482
>SVB is already back to being a working bank like it was before last Friday's failure.
The bridge bank is for returning deposits and selling assets on its balance sheet. It's for winding down. It doesn't take new deposits and it doesn't make new loans or new investments.

>>54142482
>Schiff would say that bailing out these regional banks create moral hazard
This is true. The question is, will the banks' extra risk pay off more than their newly enforced insurance premiums? I'm guessing, against Schiff, that they will not.
Also, the FDIC may impose more regulations on regional banks to try to stifle risk just as they did on the SIFIs.

>>54142698
>The bridge bank is for returning deposits and selling assets on its balance sheet. It's for winding down. It doesn't take new deposits and it doesn't make new loans or new investments.
This is my understanding. I could be wrong.

>>54133139
>Credit Suisse default swaps right now. Enjoy the collapse of capitalism. As, from my analysis, the Swiss government has no regulatory framework nor monetary capability to bailout this unregulated, lolbertarian capitalistic mafia banking behemoth.
>Lolberts are killing the very thing they love. Capitalism. The exploitation of other human beings. The ONLY thing they love. How appropriate

>>54141997
what if bail outs threaten the US economy?

>>54141997
>Bailing out SVB was an easy and simple fix vs risking economic collapse and societal chaos.
They bailed out politically well connected businesses their CEOs, and politicians themselves, such as Gavin Newsom. If FDIC had done nothing those entities would have lost 10% to 15% of their deposits, not all of their deposits. There would have been no societal chaos.

>>54139294
If privately owned bank corporations want to use their power and influence over the government to have the government bail them out then that is their prerogative to do so. It would be fiduciary irresponsible to the share holders to not do so. If you don't like the way bank corporations operate then just go start your own bank.

>>54143002
It's already been proven that the owners of capital have more leverage than the owners of banks.

>>54143002
You described "rent seeking." a huge no-no in any political philosophy, including Libertarianism.

Can someone tell me what stonks to buy to profit from this

>>54137057
>There's nothing that is back to normal. There is infinite QE.

>>54143392
Subprime mortgage bondsN0PAYH

>>54143366
"No no"? Who's going to stop them? And who gets to say it is a "no-no"?

>>54139468
>b-but iit wasn't REAL libertarianism
every fucking time

>>54143466
>Who's going to stop them?
No one.
>And who gets to say it is a "no-no"?
Anyone. Doesn't mean they can do anything about it.
I don't know what point you're trying to make.

>>54133162
>>54133180
>>54133267
wtf is with fags pretending bank collapses are no big deal

>>54143574
the point is libertarianism is retarded

I’ll just leave this here

https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/xtuoyc/im_a_bit_confused_with_the_bill_hwanggmecredit/

>>54141997
>Letting the economy restructure means tens of millions of people being laid off, thousands of companies shut down, and total chaos in society.
>Why would you want that?
Because it's better than a much bigger collapse down the road?

>>54143620
i'm pretty sure some big time astroturfing agency is being paid BIG BUCKS to reassure people about the banking system no matter how stupid and obvious it looks, which is ironically making me panic more and wonder if I should start telling my family that their shit is about to get fucked

>>54143544
>if I keep lying about what Libertarians actually literally said and believe then I can pretend I am right
LMAO

>>54133139
What the difference between buying default swaps on CS versus buying puts on CS in this situation? Why/how is one any different or better than the other?

2 weeks to flatten the curve

>>54143662
>the point is libertarianism is retarded
You haven't even come close to demonstrating that. You've only proved that you're retarded.

>>54143002
Do you actually think this is a good argument?
>use it's power and influence over a government to collude with the government
The government created it and gave them anti-free market powers.
Why are you subhuman animals so disingenuous?

>>54143662
Libertarians have been proven correct about EVERYTHING.
Did the past few years not teach you anything?
How anyone can support central banking after this massive unsustainable bubble they created is beyond me.

>>54143620
>wtf is with fags pretending bank collapses are no big deal
Bank collapses are a big deal if they're not fucked up banks to begin with. SVB was fucked by investing in longish-term Treasurys just when they lost value, and by having virtually all of their deposits uninsured (over $250K).
Silvergate and SBNY were fucked by their investments in crypto.

>>54143879
Puts are against the stock. CDS insure the bonds.

>>54133139
>Sanction russia to financially ruin them
>It completely collapses the west instead
All part of the "plan" right?

https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/CSCD5

idk if this is the same derivative contract as OP's, but its ballooning which means nothing is going to crash and everything is fine. Nothing to see here the system is working as intended.

>>54133162
>>54133180
they arent sending their best

Are the feds pushing this "Libertarianism caused the crisis" narrative now?

It makes absolutely no sense and requires the most insane amount of mental gymnastics to believe.

>>54143574
It sounds like it really isn't a "no-no" then, unless someone was to achieve the authority and means of enforcement to declare it a "no-no". But that would be authoritarianism to do so.

>>54143998
Thanks. Is one superior to the other? What would make one buy CDS on the company's bonds versus buying Puts on the company's stock?

>>54143795
> if I should start telling my family that their shit is about to get fucked
man you should've done that on the weekend

>>54144019
lol where can i find this w sound

>>54143937
Banking corporations were created buy private individuals using privately held capital to form a privately held corporation. I'm not sure why you think governments created them.

>>54144135
I don't know. I suppose you'd buy the put if you think the company will be on the rocks but will eventually pull through, and CDS if you think the company will really fail.
Or maybe you buy the put if you think the income statement is trash and you buy the CDS if you think the balance sheet is trash.

>>54144313
Interesting. Thanks.

>>54144252
>Banking corporations were created buy private individuals
>buy
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

>I'm not sure why you think governments created them.
Because the government literally did create central banks.
Is this the new lefttard argument method, just pretend you're fucking retarded and get basic facts wrong? Are you going to deny gravity exists yet?
You can't even spell words properly.

>>54144408
I see I made a spelling error thanks for pointing that out. But I'm confused about you are trying to say.. are you saying that the central banks are publicly owned? If so I can assure you that most of them around the world are indeed privately owned.

>>54144579
>are you saying that the central banks are publicly owned?
Almost every single one of them except for the federal reserve is, yes.
and the fed is only private in name only. It's basically functions like a state owned central bank and any profits go back to the US treasury.
Every central bank was created by government.

>If so I can assure you that most of them around the world are indeed privately owned.
Source?
You have nothing but schizoid blogs, no real evidnece.
Even if they were privately owned, they were all created by the state and have state monopolies, so it's clearly not a free market.

>>54133139
>central bank exists
>capitalism

>>54133139
This is the death of socialism, capitalism will rise from the ashes.

>>54133139
here we go lads

>>54144667
From Wikipedia. It looks like it is owned by private banking institutions. That looks like a free market the only say the the government has over it is electing the chairman and the ability of the Congress to modify the Federal Reserve act itself.

>>54144785
That means it's working.

Retard question:
Why does it matter if the stock value of a bank falls?
If I have a factory and people trade shares of it, the price they trade the shares at doesn't necessarily reflect the profitability of the factory. Isn't it possible that the the share value could asymptotically approach zero all the while the factory operates and sells its wares profitably?

>>54133573
Dude when was the last time you saw keysianism

>>54133767
Credit Default Swaps are insurance that triggers a payout when someone defaults on debts. The higher the number the more the insurance costs and being willing to pay a higher price on the insurance is a sign that you think default is likelier.

So when the line starts looking like sheer cliff face and makes all previous highs look like ant hills, typically it means someone think they're close to default and is trying to get as much money as possible when that happens.

>>54133139
Is that on Bloomberg u rich faggot?

>>54145196
>free market
Stock is not publicly traded. Member banks must hold the stock.

>>54138692
First thing that happens is the boss of the guards gonna murder your stupid ass while you sleep with the help of your wife probably

>>54145240
Yesterday when the inflation of my country went above 100% because due to progressive wealth taxes nobody is using the kosher banking system anymore since at 10k usd you start to pay wealth taxes.

>>54145239
It matters because assholes gamble on the stock market. They don’t really care about all this DD, they want to burn everything to the ground and tule over the ashes. That makes them no better than trannies. That’s why my strategies are multi-directional

>>54133994

SO BTC 200K?

>>54133994
>everything is back to normal
well, I'm glad you think so.

>>54145196
Also it looks like the government only allows the privately owned banks to a share of the profits in form of dividends and then keeps what's leftover, it appears that the government is extorting the privately owned Federal Reserve. If the goal is to have free markets then it would only be logical to remove any government interference from the federal reserve and let it be. It would seem that wanting to abolish or to regulate the privately owned institution further would be more socialistic or communistic wouldn't it?

>>54145640
>>54145251
>>54144667
Forgot pic

>>54143620
>>54144019
They are bots. inflamatory Image >copypaste greentext

>>54142791
>>54139490
>>54138874
>>54138601
>>54133994
>>54133603
>>54133180
>>54133162
Obvious bots itt

>>54133994
Credit Suisse holds the short position of Archegos, who shorted Gamestop and blew up. Archego's bullet swaps expired the last couple of days or will the upcoming weeks.

>>54133139
But I heard the Swiss government bailing them out is this bullshit or not?

>>54142313
you moron the window for opportunity is small but if you're paying attention its telegraphed. so big boys enter in with fat positions for free money

>>54133139
SNB already fixed it retard

Credit Suisse default swaps right now. Enjoy the collapse of capitalism. As, from my analysis, the Swiss government has no regulatory framework nor monetary capability to bailout this unregulated, lolbertarian capitalistic mafia banking behemoth.

Lolberts are killing the very thing they love. Capitalism. The exploitation of other human beings. The ONLY thing they love. How appropriate

>>54145196
From the federal reserve's website:
>The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone. The Federal Reserve was created in 1913 by the Federal Reserve Act to serve as the nation's central bank. The Board of Governors in Washington, D.C., is an agency of the federal government and reports to and is directly accountable to the Congress.
You're wrong on that and you're laughably wrong on any of this being a free market. The state created the federal reserve.
Were you dropped as a child?
Also this retarded logic doesn't apply to every other central bank on earth.
>>54145640
>If the goal is to have free markets then it would only be logical to remove any government interference from the federal reserve and let it be.
That's not what a free market means at all. It means individual rights are protected.
The fed is committing fraud and should be destroyed by the state.

>>54133603
You gotta grind shitcoins to get enough capital to then sit at the big boy table, shit coins are the new penny stocks. Bitches be out there playing wow and elite dangerous don't know they joy of sitting at a screen for 24 hrs constantly underpreeasure of timing pump and dump scams it's life on hardcore mode you get dumped on you lose everything

>>54146161
Here's the Credit Suisse notes if your interested. 2 years of information.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/ox7p7a/wut_doing_credit_suisse/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/pb22oj/the_puzzle_pieces_of_quarterly_movements_equity/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/yi9b27/found_this_in_a_whistleblower_document_attached/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/11kx9py/archegos_basket_swaps_ending_in_march_a_look_back/

>>54133994
SNB doesn't have enough money nor can it borrow or print enough money without completely crashing the Swiss economy Weimar-style to bail out Credit Suisse. Switzerland is rich but is a small country of only 8.7 million people while the U.S. 332 million people, and U.S. Federal Reserve can do pretty much whatever fuck they want due to the sheer size of the U.S. economy.

>>54142313
Ahem.

Nothing.
Ever.
Happens.

>>54147097
Credit Suisse had close to $600B in assets on their book. Nobody, including Credit Suisse themselves, know what the % of asset write down is going to be at the end of the quarter. $54B won't be enough.

>>54133994
Maybe, I threw $60 at it.

It's the Jews.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Jewish_Congress_lawsuit_against_Swiss_banks

>>54146933
>SNB doesn't have enough money
How much does it have?
>>54147135
>Credit Suisse had close to $600B in assets on their book
Aren't liabilities the problem, not assets?

Answering my own questions:
>>54147478
>>SNB doesn't have enough money
>How much does it have?
As of 31 Dec 2022 SNB assets = $881B, liabilities = $816B, so net $66B. 90% of assets are in trading account securities (so not "held to maturity" which is a good thing). 73% of liabilities is long term debt (which is a good thing).
>>54147478
>>Credit Suisse had close to $600B in assets on their book
>Aren't liabilities the problem, not assets?
No, retard, those can be accurately evaluated. The assets are more, uh, subjective.
As of 31 Dec 2022 CS assets were $531B and liabilities were $486B, so net = $45B.
About half of assets are in loans, so aren't subject to much markdown until the economy really tanks. Only about 12% of assets are in securities which could be subject to markdowns.

>>54133603
Need to become an accredited investor. If you get your series 7 license you qualify without the capital requirements.

Slurp you dipshits
Slurp
The first few banks to fall will be bailed out and rally for a while because governments and media will do all they can to pretend everything is ok and bag holders gotta hand over their bags to FOMO retards
Just make sure to sell before they come crashing down hard in a few months

>>54133139
idk they made nice watches and they made LSD so i hope the mountain jews are alright

>>54147478
No, it's assets but they're long dated. In that if sirs don't redeem they'll get their money back but if sirs redeem now they'll become insolvent because CS will need to sell those investments for a loss on the open market.

>>54146637
Okay then you are an authoritarian that wants to use the power of the state to demolish the federal reserve that's fine by me. But I'm arguing from the most free market libertarian point of view possible and I assess that my argument from that point of view is correct and I stand undefeated so far.

>>54133139
Stock up gold. Gold has infinite uses and its value will never drop
Money, on the other hand, does have no intrinsic value and it's subject to speculation

>>54133162
You guys are attacking your own people lol

>>54133139
swiss central bank bailed them out with a 53 billion "loan"
sorry goys maybe next time

There’s no limit to the amount of zeros they can type into a computer screen

>>54149962
You are mixing up money and currencies. Gold is money because it carries intrinsic value, paper fiat is currency because it is just an arbitrary unit of account.

>>54150072
Thing is there is no limit either to the amount of zeros anybody can add on the products they sell. We will soon experience inflation on unfathomable levels. But as always, the kikes being the closest to the printing presses will be the ones slurping all the assets while fiat still have a modicum of perceived value. There usually is a 6 months delay before the inflated monetary supply impact the goods and service and trigger price inflation. This 6 months time window where banksters will be allowed basically infinite cash will enslave to a whole new level humanity. Kikes will slurp like they never slurped everything they can, then the plebeians we are will be flooded under a tsunami of worthless cash.
They pulled this (((trick))) countless time already : currency printing ONLY benefit the first one able to spend it.

Biz knows what to do. Create the wokest start up which ever existed. Just gay nig nog lesbian dwarf pedo serial killers everywhere. Spend absurd amounts, ensuring to embezell to the max. It all goes tits up nobody cares, because free money and noggers. Profit.

>>54133139
Welcome everyone. I must apologize for dragging you all to my thread at such an uncommon hour but from what I've been told this bobo needs to be debunked urgently, so urgently in fact that he probably should have been debunked weeks ago...but that is spilt onionmilk under the bridge.

So why doesn't someone please try to infopost me what's the problem here?

> Well, Mr. Tuld as I mentioned earlier if you look here at the page 1 of /biz/ ...

Jared, it's a little early for all that, how bout in greentext? ... Actually I'd like to (You) the anon who put this thing together... Mr. Anonymous is it? Does he greentext?

> Sir?

I'd like to speak to the schitzo who seems to have stumbled across this mess.

> Well, that's Peter Anonymous here.

Oh Mr Anonymous you are here, good morning sir.

$54 billion bailout, yet default swaps just hit yet another massive ATH. what gives? the smoke and mirror show is no longer convincing investors no matter the sum being pumped in, is that it?

>>54133767
do you think interest is when they open the vault and more money appeared from nowhere? they gamble your money in order to generate profit.

>>54133139
>Enjoy the collapse of capitalism
Again?
I don't think you understand how capitalism works.

Capitalism works until it doesn't, then it rises like a phoenix to set like the sun again.
And we've been setting for decades now.

We're about to see a massive war like we've never seen before. Worse that WWII.

>>54133719
Oh but mandatory reserves in banks bad goy!

>>54136590
Anybody supporting society in general is doom to repeat it's death and rebirth cycle.
For it is simply the entropy of a society.

You cannot stop it.
This economy behaved actually as any economy behaved for economies will ALWAYS behave this way. It is the nature of men and corporate entities/hives that causes these things to repeat. Not even machines will prevent these things. The true root cause of this problem lies with the society and it's parasitic nature to individuals (both human and corporate) that caused this.

One perturbation leads to another, which leads to another.

>>54138893
I thought we had nothing but a feudal corporate dystopia.
Just like communism but with money obsessions.

>>54133139
oh wow nothing happened, cool!

>>54133139
that's a bubble

>>54155201
Eh, crashes are complete nonsense now. After covid anything is meaningless to the average consumer and even the stock market players.
You're already in hell, you don't really give a shit if things go more into hell.

We're just seeing the next generation of economics evolving. It's people running the gauntlet without a fucking care because why would people give a shit after covid?

It's a similar market situation to 06-08, regarding the use of financial instruments to commit mass fraud, but I don't think it will have the same reaction market wise because people opportunistic now.
In the past the attitude was "oh no everything is falling aaaaaaaah".
Now it's "oh, more of the same shit we've seen over and over again in the past decade".

So nothing will happen after this.
We live in a world fed on risks daily now to the point where we're no longer as risk averse nor caring of consequences.

It's like living in fucking mad max. Mad max economics.
aka "no one gives a shit any more economics".

>>54145239
because the bank's assets are worth less than the money that customers want to withdraw. the way they would make up that gap is by getting money from shareholders, by issuing new shares that are purchased from the company (rather than another shareholder) in exchange for money. but they can't get anyone to buy those shares when the stock price is falling as everybody panic sells. so their only avenue to make up the difference becomes a government bailout.

>2 more weeks until mass vax deaths
>2 more weeks until link pumps
>2 more weeks until total bank collapse
>2 more weeks until armageddon
daily reminder that chuds are always wrong

>>54155864
>covid suddenly exploding in hospitals again
I dunno man.

>>54155864
>rising excess deaths in all countries continues, except in those where the vaccine wasn't rolled out
>the countries where the vaccine was rolled out where exces deaths aren't rising are simply remaining sustained
Yeah it's probably a nothing burger.

>>54133139
credit suisse will use the bailout to pay huge bonuses to its executives and then it will fold

I hate capitalism and I'm trans btw.

>>54155916
>again
Ngmi

>>54155864
>>2 more weeks until mass vax deaths
>already happened
weird how vax deaths never went to the news just like east palestine mass deaths happening right now

>>54145304
argentina doesn't count, it's a meme country for decades now

>>54133162
Eat my ass janny

>>54133139
CUH REDDlT SUUUU EEEES

>>54136590
What is the difference between a government and a mega ultra corporation?
It's the exact same shit.
lolbertarianism is impossible because eventually capital congregates amongst one key player who becomes the government, and then everyone plays under their code of conduct and company policy, which just becomes "law". It doesn't even have to be one formal company, it can be an oligarchy, and this is how most governments function, as oligarchies. Anything that wants to become the status quo has to go through the checks and grease the wheels of this all encompassing entity, in which eventually this corporate bureaucracy becomes the defining aspect of that corporation.
The facilitation of violence is not the marker of a government or not, it's just a marker of size relative to competition, we see this with little countries being meme states in the face of larger powerful countries.

In respect to currency, it's just company tokens. That's all modern currencies are. The concept of currency itself is just a middle man between the barter, traditionally being stamped valuable metals that eventually made way for yet another step of detachment from the value of that middleman via fiat first backed by that metal, and later entirely detached and based on loose concepts of international trade patterns. What intrinsic value does a "USD" have over a currency made by a super mega corporation armed to the teeth with a larger commodity, resource, and industrial base than the entire USA? None, having "government" stamped over it means nothing, it's the force behind it that gives legitimacy.

Government is literally just a fucking psyop, it doesn't exist. What exists is a cabal of the corporations that won. That's the end game of capitalism, it cannabilizes itself with its own success.

Libertarians are wrong, libertarians enjoy the beginning of the journey, but they cannot admit how it ends.

>>54133162

>>54161271
>eventually capital congregates amongst one key player
That's why you kill all kikes and usurers.

>>54152810
>>54152819
>>54152858
>>54152872
>>54155504
>>54155916
fucking retard

>>54161271
Assuming all that is true, do you think it's good or bad? If bad, what would be better in your opinion and what interventions would you suggest to move the system in your favored direction?

>>54133139
>Only thing they love
How could you possibly know, you retarded fucking animal?

>>54161817
I don't think it's a system that can be moved. It seems like an almost natural lifecycle of an organism, we just attach labels to it and split whatever stage we fancy into our preferred ideology refusing to see the whole. One of the biggest mental brainwashing phenomena is the amount of sacredness and otherness put into anything enshrined as "government" as if it's a separate objective entity and not just another group of people, I think it's even worse that the amount of sanctity in religion, and this goes both ways for those who worship and despise it, and then split down into your preferred form of government. It leads to the weirdness of people being wary of government overreach but perfectly happy with corporate overreach in their lives. In the end the skeleton of its functions is the same as in any other large human organisation.

To ask if it's good or bad to me is like asking if life and death is good or bad. Beyond my comprehension, I can only build outward from such an axiom, I cannot judge it itself.

>>54144192
>https://youtu.be/xDmaPIKrC-A

>>54161271
>Just give up bro.
Glowies working overtime on this board kek. Really worried about another 08 style awakening huh?

>>54162212
I didn't say anything about give up.
I'm just trying to wrap my head around as firmly as possible on the lifecycle of whatever larger organism we are in.
So far it seems congregation > accumulation > consolidation > entropy. All "motion" is done through inertia, which can explain the gradual detachment of created concepts along the way,
which eventually leads to the final state of entropy.

>>54133139
>international state backed naming corps are because of libertarians who have literally never had power

You are a fool

>>54162258
>who have literally never had power
They existed at one point. A large overreaching state cannot just pop out immediately out of a vacuum. Same with the central banking cartel, it didn't just appear out of nowhere, it evolved to its stage and control over time. Whatever system presented themselves as superior alternatives were not alternatives but just stepping stones as seen by the reality we are living in, which is the reality created by these central banking cartel.
I think it's like arguing a mammal has alternative ways to feed other than its mouth, maybe way back in its evolution it did when it wasn't even a mammal and maybe their were alternative routes that could have been taken, but not anymore, intelligent design chose the current way of eating.

>>54162039
>as if it's a separate objective entity and not just another group of people
Yes, this, along with the fact that corporations can be -- and are -- almost as constraining as government, pretty much killed my dream of a libertarian state.

>>54162247
>I didn't say anything about give up.
But ya kinda did, anon. Even if you're right about everything else, the evolutionary inertia can be forestalled (conservatism) or accelerated (revolution). We are humans, with intentions.