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>>54061134
>Unlimited supply
That's all
See ya later virgins

START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL
START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL

P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

>>54061153
>weak fud
https://vocaroo.com/1kdYhUb8onxb

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****


Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://monero.com/marketplace
https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/
https://acceptedhere.io/catalog/currency/xmr/

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Buy silver bullion with XMR (US only)
https://monerosilver.com/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

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>Archetyp
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>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
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>Mellow Market
>Retro Market
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/yaUPVLvk


>LocalMonero is now available on I2P
http://lm.i2p/nojs/


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Elude
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/AnkqVGjp


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE


>What is I2P?

I2P is an anonymized P2P overlay network akin to the Tor network but with several key advantages over it. I2P is now replacing Tor as the go-to darknet and will play a pivotal role in growing the Monerocentric economy.


>Why should I care? Why should I run a node?

Increasing shadow economy adoption and the proliferation of an XMR-only standard are what guarantee that XMR will have a floor and won't also crash to zero when the Crypto Casino finally implodes. XMR's long-term outlook is therefore *strongly* correlated with the darknet, you may have already noticed how the number of TXs begins to drop whenever the glowies attack & cripple the Tor network, which underscores just how critical it is that the darknet wins this war against the State. Make no mistake: if the darknet is allowed to die XMR will take a devastating hit as well.

So by running an I2P node you are helping to make the network Monero thrives in that much more robust while also enraging glowies in the process. Win-win!


>OK, but how difficult is it? Do I have to store GBs worth of data like when running an XMR node?

It is literally as easy as installing an Android app and no, there are no storage requirements, the node only consumes some bandwidth.


>Cool, I'm sold. What do?

If you have no interest in browsing the darknet yourself then the simplest solution is to install & run the I2Pd Android app on any compatible (Android 4.1+) device, ideally a TV box since they don't require recharging and are permanently online. But any old phone or tablet is fine too. Make sure you activate "start on boot" in the settings.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd-android/releases/latest


Otherwise just install the appropriate desktop client and leave it running.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/releases/latest


The console is accessed via http://127.0.0.1:7070/ or the menu in Android.

>>54060805
>what if xmrchads used this hysteria to push taking XMR off the exchanges? I am using the term 'bankrun' but moreso a cex run. Itd be easy to correlate the two and get people to gtfo the exchanges. It's the perfect moment. Need to start the propaganda machine and strike while the iron is hot
>>54060971
>>54061099
I think there is some fractional reserve shenanigans with xmr that is less apparent because of the private nature of xmr. with mass withdraws things could get interesting
>>53908568
>fractional reserve

xmr cexrun wen

>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total Bitcoin = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings Bitcoin would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per Bitcoin and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL.

And that’s assuming energy costs do not increase at all over the next 120 years, which they will.

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

>>54061243
April 18th

First for Seraphis + Jamtis upgrade: https://lbry.projectsegfau.lt/@CryptoVigilante:b/Koe-%28full-edit%29.mp4:0

Detailed overview: https://lbry.projectsegfau.lt/@monerocommunityworkgroup:8/justin-berman-seraphis-jamtis-feature-2:7

I for one can't wait for
1) full view-only wallets
2) privacy preserving light wallets

Will the Monero girl make peepee on MY head?

137 yesterday, 143.5 now - are people buying in light of the Silicon Valley Bank news?

>>54061376
Wait that's the date when Americans need to file their t-.....Oh.

excuse me sirs this is a blue board whats going on in here

> start mining whenever I'm not using the computer
> CPU dies 2 weeks later
Did I get really unlucky?

>>54061243
i don't have twitter or any social network but it would be nice if rumors of exchanges running out of xmr would spread.
they prob have enough xmr for 50% of their users but i'm pretty sure they don't have for 100% of them, so the rumor would be true. this would also mean that the other coiners would start to withdraw, causing a complete collapse in exchanges...once again.

>>54061478
did you wipe the machine before you started mining?

maybe you had some NSA self detonator to destroy your machine if it detects monerod

or more likely you had severely inadequate cooling and hashing randomx is the most work that machine has ever done, so between using it and hashing you never gave it any downtime and the cooling failed and you melted your chip

remember to cool adequately.

>>54061512
It may have been the cooling indeed...
Thanks

>>54061465
worry not, monerochan knows how to cover her private parts, if you know what i mean.

>>54061386
2) privacy preserving light wallets
could you elaborate on this one?

Banks in Burgerland are failing, no bailouts planned. FDIC insurance inadequate to cover all customer deposits. Could all blow over, but there's a non-zero chance of bank runs on Monday when the doors open. Buckle up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP6NbY0j3F8

>>54061537
usually before real heat damage sets in (like the kind that will cause a chip to not function at all) you'll have a bunch of random restarts because its hitting temps that will cause that to happen.

if you ignored a bunch of restarts and kept putting it back to work, I'd say its heat. if that did not happen, idk, maybe its the government unironically.

>>54061557
>could you elaborate on this one?
Normally, the way light wallets work are like this: the user's wallet gives the server (monero node) the private view key. The server uses that key to pre-compile a list of transaction outputs (txos) that the wallet user owns.

This is bad for privacy, as the server essentially sees/knows your wallet's txo list.

Note: this is different from connecting to a normal remote node. Connecting to a normal remote node doesn't give the remote node your Monero txos. Explanation: https://localmonero.co/knowledge/remote-nodes-privacy

This is also the same in bitcoin light wallets: the users give their wallet addresses to a remote node for faster syncing of their wallet state.

With Seraphis + Jamtis upgrade, there can be a new Monero wallet tier, in which user can use a light wallet server but without the server knowing the wallet's "exact" txo list. This way, the users gain the convenience of near-instant wallet sync times without the remote Monero node knowing their txos.

Huuge step improvement in Monero mobile wallets' UX incoming. Very bullish. Bitcoin, in contrast to this, will look like some tech that's ancient.

>>54061673
ngl that sounds amazing. just the other day i was reading about different kinds of wallets and was intrigued by light wallets but the whole "privacy issue" just turned me down. i guess giving your private view key to your own home node wouldn't be a problem anyway.

>tfw no monero-chan slampig
why live

TITTIES

>>54061816
Yes

Reporting in
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IRC - https://pastebin.com/kP1gZ1Hk
Education - https://pastebin.com/V0SFR8qU
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Nodes - https://pastebin.com/j6Vv2Xn6

>>54061673
based

>>54061134
how can I impregnate this picture

>>54062511
Bruh, it's a picture, you can't do that, that's sad
>how can I impregnate this picture
But also, same question

>>54061673
Have you been following this thread?
https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/100
Very interesting the thought process that goes into choosing potential new curve candidate.
Never realized before how many optimalizations there exist which makes some curves more atractive than others.

>>54062511
>>54063076

>>54062511
Monerochan is impenetrable

>>54063107
Yeah I am following that thread. Quite exciting discussion going on there. I am really thankful that Monero research has cryptography experts, such as tevador, kayabaNerve, UKoe, and many others. These people are working on a volunteer basis, and, again, we are quite lucky to have them working on improving Monero.

Also, it is quite exciting to see Amir Taaki joined the Monero research efforts, too. I know that it was him championing the idea that the new Halo2 breakthrough in zero-knowledge cryptography should be implemented for expanding the ring size to possibly the whole txo set of Monero.

Before Monero, Amir has worked on Dark Wallet (ca. 2014) together with Cody Wilson---another prominent crypto anarchy guy (also known as the originator of the 3D printed pistol).

Quite quite bullish for Monero. If you don't have at least a suicide stack of it, you are literally leaving money on the table.

>>54061134
thank you sweet monero chan

>>54063107
>https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/100
Daira Hopwood is making some apparently useful points. TERFBros, did we get too cocky?

>>54063432
>>54063665
I don't care about eceleb faggotry.
Just a cool math and optimalizations.
Nothing more nothing less.

>>54063734
>I don't care about eceleb faggotry.
>Just a cool math and optimalizations.
<3
#metoo

>Everyone on /pol/ and /biz/ screaming about bank runs and defaults and what have you
>/XMR/ talking about security and wanting slampig Monero waifu
Fucking hell this really is the only sane thread left.

>>54063796
Today. Tomorrow. Forever.
Together We Rise. Together We Prevail.
Forward Unto Dawn.

>>54063966
Checked
>>54063796
The board is practically unreadable right now, just the same spam over and over.
>>54063107
i'm no where near the required technical literacy required to really understand the math behind it, but its interesting to see the process unfolding.

>>54063107
>https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/100


I'm almost completing my Computer Science bachelor and I understood maybe 20% about the technical stuff those guys are talking about.

I think I will lurk moar. Thank god they also posted educational links.

>>54064063
>i'm no where near the required technical literacy required to really understand the math behind it
same here, i actually avoid entering those thread because they make me kind of depressed. i feel so ignorant.

>>54064336
I guess its not important that every user understands the math, more so that they understand what its trying to accomplish. Either way, much appreciation to those with the technical ability for putting their time into R&D

>>54064063
>>54064101
Don't sweat it.
I'm CS major and I barely passed my crypto courses so I also don't understand it that well.
It's cool for me to read about stuff that I've heard about in my courses and the optimalizations in general.

>>54063796
>Fucking hell this really is the only sane thread left.
that's because we're ready for this already
WE BEEN READY

>>54064101
Crypto is a whole other skillset, you'll want to read up on basic abstract algebra and zero-knowledge-proofs

>>54061376
>>54061487
it would be a good idea. The date shouldn't be postponed to the 18th or anything. ppl here with xmr socials need to push this idea. The hysteria is here now and needs to be taken advantage of. I dont have socials but i shouldve been building them

>>54061487
there are people buying XMR on CEXs?

what mental illness is this

>>54061243
>>54061376
>>54064989
We did this before. I think doing it regularly would be a positive force for monero, regularly stress any potential fractional reservists to the breaking point to either catch them in the act or dissuade them from even doing it to begin with. If a fractional reserve scheme is uncovered and broken though, it could be a very bad day for whoever tried to withdraw last.

OP image deleted....

>>54065054
>there are people buying XMR on CEXs?
In some cases I think it shouldn't be a big deal
>be anon
>wants to buy small amounts (three digits) of monero every now and then
>buy monero on a CEX
>withdraw to wallet A
>send it to wallet B, send it to wallet C
>authorities knock on your door
>"hello anon we see here that you have been buying monero"
>explain to them that you buy weed with it
>or that you pay for feet pics from reddit thots
>shrug_emoji.svg
>hands them the seed for wallet A
>"oh ok anon stop being a degenerate then ok? it's now forbidden to buy monero"
I guess if you're making big purchases it would be harder to find an appropriate excuse though

>>54065281
>(three digits)
I guess I meant three digits USD from $100 to $999

>>54065281
Which country are you from where authorities would knock on your door for simply buying monero?

Press F to pay respects

>>54061134

Your participation needed:

Global Hyperinflation. General /GHG/ Previous Thread: >>>/pol/419427142

Hmmm how much of my savings should I transform into monero right now?? Should I do cash by mail?

>>54065497
it'll happen eventually it's a matter of time, britain, australia or canada will probably be the first to do it

>>54065569
>red board
no thanks coomer

>>54065607
Depends how much you've got, but 5-10% is usually reasonable.

No need to do cash by mail, just get your hands on some BTC then use UnstoppableSwap to trade it for XMR anonymously.

What are the implications on buying monero on Binance?

Assuming that I live in Brazil and the government will probably never catch me up if I allegedly have a considerable stack of monero?

>>54065736
You mean, buying it there and transferring it to your wallet immediately? Should be fine.

The only worry is the many times they sell you Monero that they don't have, and you can't withdraw it.

Yes, you can buy Lamborghinis, Ferraris and Teslas with Monero

>>54065118
It's ok anon, I got you.

>fuck jannies

>>54065517
zooko blocked me on twitter and I don't ever recall mentioning him or replying to him directly.
At this point I just feel bad for people who drank the zcash koolaid. It's doomed to be a failed research project, the results of which will sit collecting dust until someone else thinks one of the components of that research might be useful for something else in the future.

>>54065785

>>54065785
that's a great way to get done for tax fraud

Mine away monerochads.
Not for profit, simply for economic terrorism.
The fact that you have the smallest amount of money they cannot track+tax+steal from you makes them seethe so much it'll give us the biggest collective boner.

>fuck kikes

>>54065698
>buy BTC thru a CEX
>get on watch list by IRS

I mean I like this idea and all… but do I really need to give the tax goons the armed IRS agents a potential prompt that I’ve bought crypto? They might waterboard me for my seed phrase.

Welcome To Monerica!
https://monerica.com/

>>54065639
Even if they do, whats to stop anyone from buying another coin like btc or ltc and using an out of country non-kyc exchange to swap it for monero, even going as far as using a vpn or tor to cover your tracks.

>>54065899
shut up bitch, I'm doing donuts in the lambo

>>54066018
You can buy XMR on LocalMonero with giftcards if you really want.

Plus they can waterboard you all they like, once you've put it into XMR there'll be nothing but flies in your BTC wallet.

>>54066277
nothing, it will be futile, but they're known for doing things that are futile

>>54066577
Thats the best part, the seethe. Like torrenting, they cant stop a P2P system once it takes root.

Anything that isn't PoW is a scam.
Anything that isn't ASIC resistant is a scam.

>>54061478
the only way this is possible is if you did some ungodly overclocking or some shit, no cpu should break in 2 years let alone 2 weeks.

>>54063796
>Everyone on /pol/ and /biz/ screaming about bank runs
Yet /pol/ will ignore the guy posting hyperinflation generals to discuss this ahead of time. They are zoomers.

Win Monero by guessing the last digit of the next Monero block hash!

https://monero.win/

>>54065517
Just like bitcoiners, people who invested in zcash only care about price. They are two sides of the same pathetic coin.

>>54067147
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[cont]

>>54067147
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[cont]

>>54067147
,9t,9u,9v,9w,9x,9y,9z,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99

just realised you said last digit and not last two so that was a waste of time, enjoy anyway

>>54067147
0

>>54067382
>>54067356
>>54067406
Also learn how to into hexadecimal genius

>>54065736
why, just why? Brazil has one of the largest monero markets on localmonero.co
look for a reputable seller and proceed.
you have literally every option of payment
https://localmonero.co/buy-monero-with-brl-in-brazil

>>54067177
>price action
Pretty rough on that front. But more disturbing is who makes a privacy centric coin but not by default, courts government and regulators and implies they can backdoor it to catch people who "misuse it".

>>54067430
lol yes good point

>>54067147
>Win Monero by guessing the last digit of the next Monero block hash!
>
>https://monero.win/

Is this legit or did some jeet buy the domain?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/yjdfd4/monerowin_is_closed/

>>54067472
legit

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/z6cnpu/monerowin_is_back_win_monero_by_guessing_the_last/

>>54065517

S to spit

>>54067472
i used it before it was sold and i won one time. they delivered the xmr swiftly.
i guess you would just have to try to see if its still legit.

>>54067677

Cool, I'd add it to the OP pasta to send more traffic your way.

>>54066821
Saved. Cool pix

>>54067472
I use to bet a lot on this website many years ago, I didn't know mochi sold it. I'll try it out real quick and let you know the results.
I wish minko was still a thing :( loved sending a transaction with 10 bets just to see the coins rolling down. It was also a cool way to spam the network kek since every bet was 2 transactions (bet and payout) and I was sending transactions with 10 bets every five minutes or so. I wonder if they ended up owning a relevant enough portion of all the decoys during high usage times... probably not

>>54065857

t-too lewd~!!

Anyone know if this is legit?

https://moneropot.org/

>>54067871

Gambling is Monero's other potential killer app, darknet casinos absolutely should be the next big thing. Only I'm not sure how exactly that's supposed to work without Javascript. The XMR poker sites on Tor use websockets so maybe that's how?

In any case, here's an opportunity for any of you budding entrepreneurs out there, if you build it they WILL come, carefree gambling without the IRS gunning for your winnings practically sells itself.

>>54061134
I want to empty my wells fargo account into XMR/btc. I want to avoid kyc and jewish fees. Bisq is too confusing for brainlets like me.

What do you guys recommend?

>>54067871
>I'll try it out real quick and let you know the results
Made two bets, one win, one loss, they paid the win automatically just like it used to be.
Legit.

>>54068070
>Only I'm not sure how exactly that's supposed to work without Javascript. The XMR poker sites on Tor use websockets so maybe that's how?
Websockets require JS, but there is some fuckery you can do to make this shit work without JS

My only qualm about running a gambling site in Minecraft is that I don't want the servers to get DDoSed or something, maybe I can avoid that by using i2p

To my glowie friends: I don't even know what Monero means

>>54067472
Legit.
All those abcdef guesses are mine. (Yes I am a degenerate gambler).

>>54068203
I2p is under a big ddos attack right now so dont assume thats a fix-all

>>54068166
localmonero OR buy btc and use trocador.app to swap it to monero

>>54068203
>My only qualm about running a gambling site in Minecraft is that I don't want the servers to get DDoSed or something, maybe I can avoid that by using i2p

Yeah, that's the one thing you have to worry about: DDoS extortion. But the way around that is to leverage Dread's new Daunt platform to serve mirror links to legitimate users. https://daunt.link/

I2P is supposedly more resistant to such attacks due to certain protocol differences, so I'd definitely go with that. Tor will always be a thing but I2P is better suited for hidden services because by default it has no interaction with the clearnet, its an isolated network. Also, every user is an uploader as opposed to the leecher-dominant Tor model.

So, putting it all together: websocket roulette on an I2P site accessed via private links served through Daunt. Fuck yeah!

>>54065698 >>54065780
I'm from Brazil (Bostil) and have already bought and withdraw XMR from Binance.
I assume the government knows about it but I don't care, they won't be able to trace it now anyways.
The major downside is living here, our currency is so shit I can barely buy a fraction of a coin without starving.

>>54065736
Sorry. Meant to reply this comment.

when're we getting rich lads?

>>54068704

Next Thursday.

Noob here so pls bee nice
Let’s assume Monero takes over the world as the big dog currency.

Would it stop ISPs from rent seeking the currency?
I get you can exchange Monero anonymously, but can you hide the actual activity itself?
Would the ISP be able to look and see, “hmmm looks like he’s engaging with Monero in some way.” “Better make him pay rent.”
I guess you can use the word “ISP” and “government” interchangeably at that point so assume the powers of the ISP to at least be greatly expanded.

>>54069084
>Avoid isp's using tor bridges
>????
>profit

>>54069084

This is exactly the point of anonymized networks like I2P. There are already remote XMR nodes available, LocalMonero is now available, Neroshop, Serai and Haveno should all be I2P accessible, you basically won't ever need to run anything through the clearnet.

So fuck ISPs.

>>54069131
So it’s that safe from detection already?
Alright then.
Sorry if I seem incredibly ignorant, because I probably am.

>>54067147
It's 3
The answer is 3

send xmr here:
82ZieYLYdPWP1cYkUedg2bFNiQwFmkigLCfHx2dxupyvVV6AbVuch5bHo8CQr6oRXQGUctZbxqqrybjymkYwMiXRCG5LWWW

>>54068051
>https://moneropot.org/
Never seen this anon, but if it looks and smells like a scam, it is definitely a scam.
Stay safe out there.

>>54069405
Dont take my word as proof of efficacy, but thats exactly what bridges are intended for, well actually theyre meant as a worl around for tor users in countries that have restricted access, but you get the idea.

>>54069356
I’ve looked into I2P because of your post and it seems very cool.
I’ll have to check it out when I have the chance.

in light of recent events, are you guys staying comfy?

>>54070373
Of course, my XMR sits cozy in cold storage, not shook

>>54065888
>zooko blocked me on twitter and I don't ever recall mentioning him or replying to him directly.

Checked. Zooko blocks anybody he encounters that is halfway competent at making the case for Monero, he doesn't want his Twitter minions from being exposed to compelling counter-points. We're pretty much all blocked lol

Telegram monero stickers
@MoneroStickers

>>54070373
i bought more @125€, V shaped recovery since then. comfy as can be.

>>54071844
checked, monerosupplies.com for physical stickers

>>54072013
I thought about buying some off monero market, but the selection isn't great, i'll have to check that out

>>54072046
monerosupplies has 3 designs, the classic one can be bought in bulk (~680) to really bring the cost per sticker down, though they are currently on backorder since I've run out. New ones are in production and should be able to be shipped out again a week from now. also got acrylics and in a couple of weeks plushies :)

>>54072374
Based in the us?

>>54065736
if you can withdraw it's fine

>>54049605
Please respond, I want to hear someone's thoughts on the botnet reliance circumstance

>>54072855
Monero threatening the established financial system would cause it to increase in price, so yes, botnet actors would simply mine monero. It's like this on most coins, price goes up means more people mine until it becomes unprofitable again. The only reason this didn't happen for awhile with bitcoin is because ASIC manufacturers centralize the materials for mining and bitcoin was booming, now that it ha s fallen back towards where it belongs the mining profit for bitcoin is closing in on zero.

>>54072855
There are a few obstacles legacy would have to overcome in order to pwn Monero's mining system.
First of all, they would need to seize a great number of hardware to compete against the rest of miners. I think they wouldn't be able to pull it off silently and without Amazon or whatever infrastructure complaining about it in some way.
Monero users would certainly be able to observe this happening to some degree. Remember that to execute a 51% attack (which wouldn't achieve much if you're the government) you have to mine your own chain with >51% of the hashrate, which means anyone would be able to see the hashrate increasing in a very fast pace and not being attributed to any pool (not even p2pool). This could already raise a bunch of flags.
Then there's the attack itself. Ask yourself, or maybe do some research, as to what a 51% attack means and what can be accomplished. I don't think it would do much damage even if they were able to pull it off.
Finally, if there's any kind of confirmation or even a very substantial threat of a nation attacking Monero, the network could always change its mining algorithm to render the nation's attack nil. Monero could even, if it wanted, to go to SHA-256 mining and do merge-mining with Bitcoin so they would share the same infrastructure.

>>54068051
>>54069438

It's been around for a while, I don't think it's a scam. Worth it? Probably not, but I don't think it's a scam

>>54074497
>you have to mine your own chain with >51% of the hashrate, which means anyone would be able to see the hashrate increasing in a very fast pace and not being attributed to any pool (not even p2pool). This could already raise a bunch of flags.
What's stopping them from doing this silently? I don't think anything. They could be doing it as we speak.
>Monero could even, if it wanted, to go to SHA-256 mining and do merge-mining with Bitcoin so they would share the same infrastructure.
This is a non solution. Bitcoin is significantly easier to control, you just seize the few mining warehouses used to mine bitcoin.

>>54069084
Tor and i2p will help with that, although when xmr get to be default currency there probably will be way more alternatives to do just that.

>>54075137
>They could be doing it as we speak.
They could. I can entertain it. They will be competing against the other 49% of the network's hashrate. What they are going to do? Double spend to who? Censor transactions by mining empty blocks? It would slow down the blockchain that's for sure, instead of 2 minutes it would take longer to get mined by the 49%.

>This is a non solution.
Agreed, I just used it as an example of the possibilities that monero have in case of an actual attack on its proof-of-work algorithm. it's not catastrophic

>>54076693
>It would slow down the blockchain that's for sure, instead of 2 minutes it would take longer to get mined by the 49%.
That is not how it works. You would have empty blocks because the other 49% would be unable to catch up, essentially halting the chain. Worse, you could spam the chain with your own transactions while doing this.

>>54077663
That's really not how it works.

Anybody got any good graphics showing XMR replacing BTC on darknet sites?

>>54078027
Is Dread still down? There was that fucked up attack on it that revealed a core denial of service issue with TOR services, and that was months ago.

>>54078058
Its up on tor now. Has been almost a week i think

>>54078027
Also any suggestions for this?

>>54078058
It's back for a week or so

>>54078082

>>54072792
EU but shipping is worldwide

>>54079139
Thanks will add

>>54078082

Based.

MONEROMARKET.IO

>>54079139
Holy shit, how can anyone be this retarded

Does anyone know if the CakePay feature works in Mexico?

>>54081626

Very heavy bags.

>>54062036
the wirey hair man. im thinking based.

>>54061673
are you sure it works that way? view keys cant see trannies going out only ones coming in. so the total balance would be wrong no?

Reporting in,
fuck Bitcoin.

child bearing sex with wife monero-chan

>>54079139
this is unbelievable

>>54088555
Missionary position for the purpose of procreation.

>>54081626
by having more than half of your money invested in BTC

>>54089185
Btc chain is too precious.
You wouldn't want to bloat it by doing transactions.
Fee economy is their endgame btw

>>54078058
>>54078071
>>54078095
Can anyone give me a QRD on what's up with dread this days? I haven't visited in a while and I'm a little out of the loop. Last I heard they were on i2p and charging for preferred access on private onions or something?

>>54065698
>5-10% is usually reasonable
w-what if it's closer to 99.5%?

Anybody have any experience with using the gift cards you get off of Cake Wallet? Ever tried to use them in-store?

>>54093028
haven't used them in-store but I have used it as well as coincards
Is breddy gud.

>>54093873
Thanks anon. Whats the process look like for online use? Im thinking about putting some gains into a new guitar amp soon, feel like a lot of things are going on discount soon.

>>54062511
Find your own darling dearest and become more beautiful and healthy together. Don't give her a chance to become insecure. I believe in you.

>>54092376
http://tortimeswqlzti2aqbjoieisne4ubyuoeiiugel2layyudcfrwln76qd.onion/post/hugbunter-announces-dread-is-back-online-and-ddos-solution

>>54092464
That's insanely reckless, I hope to God it pumps for you.

>>54097682

Easy come, easy go.

>>54097682
thanks anon

>Crash makes people realize banks aren't secure if you can't withdraw your money
>Some people will start using crypto as a means of storing value
The next step will be people realizing that Bitcoin isn't a good store of value at all, but first a crash needs to happen (which everyone will try to avoid/postpone as humanly possible).

>>54065517
Z

>>54078014
>That's really not how it works.
Ok, explain how it works then? How does the other 49% "mine" new transactions when the other 51% is creating a longer chain thus invalidating the chain with smaller hashrate?

>>54078082
Based as fuck.

>>54088477
Fuck CBDC coin. Bitcoin is worthless trash.

>>54046497
Could not thank you earlier. Thank you for delivering!

>>54102107
That's how I know you never mined before. It's not because a pool or someone has 51% of the hashrate that they GUARANTEED will mine all the next blocks and maintain a longer chain. Have you never mined or was part of a "lucky" pool who mined a bunch of blocks with little effort? Never watched 5 blocks being mined in succession just 20 seconds a part? Never watched the chain wait for 20 minutes to get a block mined? That's why mining is important and you should do it because it would make you understand the whole thing better.
Maybe if you suggested the attacker owning 75% or more of the hashrate, but then again the network is quite active and people would just fork into some different mining algorithm to render the attack fruitless, as it has been done before with ASICs in the network.

>>54092376
They had an i2p address, but because of the ddos attack onging they left it down when they brought it back up on tor last week

Honestly banking is the most dangerous of business activity when you think about it on a deeper level and of all communities money should eventually flow into monero of all cryptocurrencies when you consider community makeup and project philosophy. Small community/regional banks really would not exist without a whale bank like JPmorgan or wells fargo doing the dirty work for big deals. Bitcoin could be the replacement of fiat but why would someone want to be a wholecoiner or more when bitcoin goes to high six figures and has such a long history of being so well known next to monero? Thats a huge personal threat surface and if the government steps in and demands btc node runners register themselves users would cave out of personal safety and possibly sell their btc to government powers. Monero is always used as money and the goal of a long term believer should align more with shadow banking and building layers of separation from common users through proxies like businesses and branches using your asset. Governments came from large holders of gold and are the base proxy fiat comes from. Holding wealth for long time in bitcoin kind of defeats itself. Monero fulfills shadow banking philosophy better, swaps national government for tribal economies.

>>54078014
>>54077663
>>54076693
>>54074497
You are both wrong. It depends on both attacker and defender strategy.
- If the attacker decides to actively 51% attack on the same chain as the defender (undoing n confirmation blocks every n confirmation blocks), then they will be able to constantly double spend and drain exchanges, merchants, and other services accepting monero. Eventually services will stop accepting monero until the attack subsides (which may involve some sort of additional classical consensus hardfork unless the monero community can seize enough CPU power). If the attacker decides to mine other user's transactions in their blocks, then they will essentially just be re-shuffling other transactions in mempool (or publishing empty blocks), which will profit them a bit more in fees but won't enable random users to double-spend alongside them.
- If the attacker tries to mine a really massive chain, then they can unconfirm a lot of transactions at once. In the long term, the monero community can re-organize and hardfork against the attacker's big chain. monero has a warning system built-in called DNS checkpointing (monerodocs.org/infrastructure/monero-pulse) which warns and halts verification in the event of a 51% attack. Unlike bitcoin, monero doesn't use Replace-By-Fee. Simple explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZjasKZC7p0 Monero uses 0-conf (because RBF exposes heuristics that can de-anonymize users). That means that nodes will only mine the first transaction they see. So in the case of a community-led hardfork due to a massive attacker chain, users won't be able to double-spend in the long run because the community will only re-mine the old transactions.

>>54075137
Merge mining is complete AIDS, and is simply a narrative spread by bitcoin miners to expand their profitability and reach.
Also bitcoin mining is worse. ASICs are simply prone to centralization on the manufacturer level. There are like two or three companies producing ASICs at scale. How hard is it to regulate them into inserting backdoors, or to reserve their supply for the government? Easier than monopolizing general-purpose computing power when everyone has a supercomputer in their pocket.
Despite how bitcoiners will kvetch about decentralization when discussing block-size, mining is truly the greatest centralizing force in bitcoin. Your raspberry pi bitcoin node will do nothing against a 51% attack. A 1 TB hard drive costs like 50 bucks, an antminer costs thousands. Do the math.
If anything, bitcoin should be merge mining with monero on RandomX.

>>54103657
>It's not because a pool or someone has 51% of the hashrate that they GUARANTEED will mine all the next blocks and maintain a longer chain. Have you never mined or was part of a "lucky" pool who mined a bunch of blocks with little effort?

It doesn't matter. If you take the expected value for how many "wins" the 51% side will get over the "wins" the 49% side will get, eventually the 51% side wins out and is able to conduct an attack. I know we are talking about Monero, but the analysis of such an attack is available in the bitcoin whitepaper and is more of a discussion on general PoW block races.
>Ironically, it also mentions bitcoin being 1 CPU 1 vote, how sad satoshi would be if he were here to see how they have bastardized bitcoin

>>54105366
This analysis is good, but ignores the fact that any such prolonged attack would be catastrophic to Monero. Even if the community could re-organize and hard fork against a big chain (the attack I suggested) Monero would be abandoned. There would simply be no trust in the chain.

>>54105366
>>54105892
Please just play the game theory for what would happen if out of nowhere the mining community saw an unknown entity working up to >50% of the network's hashrate.
Even if it was sudden, the core team would probably send an email to all exchanges and service providers on their mailing list explaining that the network is being attacked and for them to increase confirmations to probably something like 100 blocks to completely and irrefutably mitigate double spends.
>then they will be able to constantly double spend and drain exchanges, merchants, and other services accepting monero.
This is a one trick pony and it would probably work only once. After the first successful attack (dunno why the government would attack an exchange but let's play with it shall we) all exchanges and service providers of any magnitude would increase the confirmations necessary for a deposit to be considered valid.

>It doesn't matter.
Yes it does matter.
>If you take the expected value for how many "wins" the 51% side will get over the "wins" the 49% side will get, eventually the 51% side wins out and is able to conduct an attack.
I don't understand why you think the monero community would just watch this happen without taking any actions to mitigate a possible attack.
>but ignores the fact that any such prolonged attack would be catastrophic to Monero.
It wouldn't because it would be mitigated. Please explain to me exactly how "catastrophic" it can be if an entity gets 51% of the hashrate. What exactly can they do with the chain that is impossible to mitigate and that would be catastrophic? Play the game theory out mate. It's not catastrophic. There's a bunch of blockchains that have been 51% attacked and are still well and alive.

>>54105892
Monero would take a pretty big reputation hit, but it wouldn't die. It might raise some questions about randomX if it did succeed. maybe we would increase memory hardness. A hard fork for monero is not the same as the hard fork for bitcoin, we do hard forks every 6 months and we have big community work-groups to come to a consensus on new features and stuff. monero has survived much worse, we've forked away from premines, we've forked away from a rigged miner, we've forked away from ASICs over and over again, and we have forked from really shitty anonymity practices in the past, see localmonero.co/knowledge/monero-history it's an interesting read

This is a stupid idea, but what if there was a large theft of crypto, and everyone was upset about it? Then the government makes an announcement: "If you want to get your crypto back, then download this exe (elf/w/e) and run it on your computer." What does it do? It connects everyone to a mining pool that will reverse transactions if it goes above 50%. Extort some big mining farm owners, trick a bunch of people (kids with gaming rigs, I dunno) into running it. I don't know how practical that would be because it would probably need to be an international act, and also would help to have a new exploit released to go with it to build up a large botnet if some people can't be persuaded. I'm sure the 3 letters could help. Just say it's to remove crypto from Russia or something (doubt that would get China's help though unless they got something out of it).

I would call it the Spirit Bomb and name the pool Goku. I'm autstic.

>>54106314
...bake it into League of Legends?

>>54106314
That would be cool.
But a more interesting idea is this: if another cryptocurrency tries to use RandomX, the monero community can band together to 51% attack them. I call it the highlander principle, because there can only be one!

>>54106366
Lol its funny you say that because I always wondered if you could use some blockchains as rainbow tables. Though not very practical to expect a bunch of 0s at the beginning. I think my brain tossed out important info how Monero works I'd have to read it again. I really want Monero to take off just from a privacy perspective.

>>54070373
Sure, my BTC is sitting comfy in my sylo wallet, Monero is safu as well

>>54106441
Don't think rainbow tables would work because each block depends on the hash of the last, and also the forks tend to use a slightly modified randomx.
But I just mean we could work together and gank the shit out of some scamcoin like DERO or QRL. We should do it, it would be funny

>>54104716
I expected a Yo Dawg
>We put an economy inside the economy so you can transact while you transact

>>54105383
> There are like two or three companies producing ASICs at scale
How many companies produce RandomX miners?
>when everyone has a supercomputer in their pocket.
Or under their desk. But in the future there might be a very small market for decentral processing power. Normalfriends will just have a consumption terminal running a web browser and a streaming app, and creators alike will just use a client device to access a server and let it do all the heavy computation. It will take a while, but at some point bandwidth will be high enough and latency low enough that gamers won't bother building PCs.

>>54101334
if bitcoin ever crash before mass adoption, it's over for cryptocurrencies

>>54108325
Meanwhile monero seems to have an actual economical purpose.
Hidden and decentralized

>>54108383
that isn't my point, I'm talking about how cryptocurrency adoption might take 10 steps backs if bitcoin fail, solutions like monero wouldn't even exist
there won't be a market for monero to even take over, if btc at least don't sustain its current market cap and "proof of brain"
crypto can be much more than moonfaggots and pedos

this is not a moon mission

>>54107062
>How many companies produce RandomX miners?
Any CPU is a random miner. It's nessisarily more open than an ASIC. I mine and run a node on a power9 machine.
>Normalfriends will just have a consumption terminal running
Then it's game over. That is it.
> bandwidth will be high enough and latency low enough
latentcy won't get lower
>>54108463
Monero (and the rest of cryptocurrency market) does not benefit from bitcoin's existance. "Real" adoption is massively defferred because bitcoin is a broken piece of shit that doesn't work on a basic level, and it's the first thing normies know when they think crypto. Instead of transacting with it, they keep "their" bitcoin on coinbase because of fees and "moon lambo hodl, hey remember bitcoin pizza, that guy was dumb for actually spending his bitcoin!"

>>54061134
Satoshi Nakamoto rolls in his cubicle.

>>54108463
In other words, if bitcoin failed, it would do nothing but massively benefit everyone else in cryptocurrency.
The idea that crypto users "owe" bitcoiners anything is like saying linux users owe SCO anything. The bitcoiners of today didn't invent bitcoin, they just perverted it.
Bitcoin doesn't represent the cryptocurrency userbase at large. Bitcoin is currently run and used by a small-block cult trying to justify not forking with bitcoin cash, that is why LN is being pushed so hard. Despite this, LN will never scale to a global level (https://www.truthcoin.info/blog/lightning-limitations/)), because blocksize is still too small.
Bitcoin users are indoctrinated to never spend with bitcoin, and that bitcoin is a store of value above all else. Why? because the bitcoin of today isn't usable as cash. It isn't what satoshi planned for.
Bitcoin users are antagonistic towards all other cryptocurrencies. (e.g. "bitcoin is not crypto") probably because the next 2 biggest are eth and dog coins
Bitcoin failing would be like a big old rotten tree in the jungle falling down and making a hole in the canopy to let sunlight through.

>>54108463
and I'm saying this as someone who has been using bitcoin for a decade

Selling most of my Monero's unknown amount one month ago for Bitcoin was one of the best decisions I've ever made.
I still keep some for paying things and love the tech and love monero-chan but I've finally realized XMR is not a good investment.

>>54074497
>I think they wouldn't be able to pull it off silently and without Amazon or whatever infrastructure complaining about it in some way.

Correct. I think people seriously underestimate how much resource it would take to execute this. It's not like creg-coin where you can 51% attack it for roughly $5k for lulz. Or spam the chain for $2.

>>54111034
in 2014 BTC was worth about 200 dollars

>>54111034
Fair enough, monero has been performing like shit this month

Samourai Wallet is working to support in-app atomic swaps between BTC and XMR.

>>54111546
YESSSSSSSS I LOVE SAMOURAI

>>54108463
> if bitcoin fail, solutions like monero wouldn't even exist
>there won't be a market for monero to even take over, if btc at least don't sustain its current market cap and "proof of brain"

Absolutely retarded take. The wholesale abandonment of Bitcoin in OPSEC-critical markets i.e. DNMs, ransomware clearly demonstrates how unnecessary BTC has become for real-world commerce.

Whatever happens, black markets are immortal and their currency of choice has guaranteed demand.

>>54111034

Based. Make sure to invest is some dog memes as well!

>>54108463
>I'm talking about how cryptocurrency adoption might take 10 steps backs if bitcoin fail, solutions like monero wouldn't even exist
Monero exists because bitcoin failed
>crypto can be much more than moonfaggots and pedos
Not really.
Launching new projects will always attract low mcap moon faggots.
If you don't need privacy use fucking Mastercard.

>>54061134
>be me
>check out of xmr news for a few months
>come back
>haveno still not done

fucking hell

>>54105892
I have a question: how the fuck is monero anymore censorship resistant than BTC as a whole? Obviously individual TX are more resistant, but if big dick corporation or .gov wants to buy 1 million ASIC miners to 51% BTC, they can just as easily buy 1 million computers with top of the line CPUs.

>>54114405
You wouldn't attack Bitcoin through raw hashpower. You would just make threats against the big mining farms that they either (say) submit to OFAC censoring or have all of their assets seized.

>>54114520
okay so the idea is that with XMR you need to attack via hashpower and with BTC you don't even need to do that?
I ask because if this were to happen, obviously the community couldn't win an arms race as (((they))) can buy more hashrate than the community can.

>>54114583
it has already been demonstrated that bitcoin can have OFAC compliant blocks.
it is something entirely different when the govermnet decides miners in their country shouldnt enable certain things banned by OFAC than a government actively buying hashpower to continiously attack a chain were you cant just say "OFAC compliancy is possible so you have to do it".

politicans dont have to be actively malicious to ruin bitcoins censorship resistance. if someone (most likely legacy finance that has to comply with a ton of rules already) points out to them how unfair it is for btc to ignore financial laws eventhough it could totally be compliant, that can already be enough.

>>54114583
Monero currently doesn't have enough hashpower to fend off a major state-level actor buying up a bunch of CPUs and throwing everything at it, no.

Luckily I think that Monero occupies the same place that TOR does in relation to the US government, which is despite public handwringing the reality is that the state finds more utility in using the network than they would derive from closing down the little fish who use it to buy drugs anonymously. And TOR is even easier to take down, it is deliberately permitted because glowniggers want to be able to use it themselves. I think something analogous will/is happening with Monero.

>>54114405
>Obviously individual TX are more resistant, but if big dick corporation or .gov wants to buy 1 million ASIC miners to 51% BTC, they can just as easily buy 1 million computers with top of the line CPUs.

Uh, no, you're comparing apples and oranges.

The demand for Bitcoin ASIC miners comes 100% exclusively from the Bitcoin mining sector. In other words, literally nobody else needs them so a single mining corp can buy up literally tens of thousands of units without issue.

>MARATHON BOUGHT 78,000 BITCOIN MINERS FOR $879 MILLION
>The mining company expects to have 199,000 active machines outputting 23 EH/s by early 2023.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/marathon-bought-78000-bitcoin-miners-for-879-million


In contrast, the demand for high-end CPUs is GLOBAL, involves countless industries and comes the least from the Monero mining sector. In other words, you can't just rock up and buy 1 million Ryzens without causing severe disruption and creating a bidding war that drives CPU prices to the fucking moon.

>>54114583
>I ask because if this were to happen, obviously the community couldn't win an arms race as (((they))) can buy more hashrate than the community can.

lol don't forget that what is easier to attack is also easier to defend. There are literally tens of millions of potential Monero miners out there that could eventually be marshaled when the call to arms is sounded, these days its as easy as downloading Gupax and hitting START, you don't even need to download the blockchain anymore.

>>54111546
>>54111666
checked and based Samourai. They are the only community that carry the torch of cypherpunk ethos in the bitshit land over there.

>>54115332
I fucking hate this shitty site so much. Fucking spam filter prevents any actual discussion.

>>54115332
>>54118480
I'll try embedding in the pic to get my point across, your thoughts?

>>54106087
>the mining community saw an unknown entity working up to >50% of the network's hashrate.
And this is the issue. You do not need to reveal that you are working up to 50% of the networks hashrate.
>Even if it was sudden, the core team would probably send an email to all exchanges and service providers on their mailing list explaining that the network is being attacked
I highly doubt this.
>I don't understand why you think the monero community would just watch this happen without taking any actions to mitigate a possible attack.
Again, see point one. There is no action to be taken because the attack would be built silently.
>It wouldn't because it would be mitigated. Please explain to me exactly how "catastrophic" it can be if an entity gets 51% of the hashrate.
It was explained in the part you didn't read.

>>54106123
>we've forked away from premines
This is a bad example as there was no monero premine, so the fact that bytecoin was premined did nothing to monero's reputation.

>A hard fork for monero is not the same as the hard fork for bitcoin
It's not about hard forks, the issue is the loss of trust in monero after something essential to a cryptocurrency (immutability) is broken. This happening would severely hinder monero's chances of becoming widespread because people would simply not trust it. This must be avoided by any means necessary.

>>54107062
>How many companies produce RandomX miners?
Quite a few :P

>>54108463
Bitcoin is controlled opposition and if it goes to zero by tomorrow 99% of the market will go with it, yet monero will still stand because it has real tangible value as a darknet currency. The sooner bitcoin dies the better.
>>54110060
>hey remember bitcoin pizza, that guy was dumb for actually spending his bitcoin!
The sad thing is this kind of retardation has been spreading into our community as well, mostly when XMR/BTC was at a peak and we had moonfags permanently in the general.

>>54111546
Samourai wallet is pretty based, they understand what is wrong with bitcoin. I also think it is great that they aren't adding xmr to their wallet as I really hate how we have so many shit wallets for monero when the official GUI/CLI wallet and feather are perfectly good. Well, as much as I absolutely hate cake wallet and mobile wallets, I know some people like them, but there's no reason to use browser wallets.

Fewer words, more pictures of monero chan.

XMR bros do you know any reliable top up no kyc virtual debit card vendor?

>still not received
>still no reply
Well it looks like that's gone. Funds are not safu. I have a feeling that exchange won't ever be coming through.

Say what you want about muh crypto do it in blocks of 1 thousand you should have checked why did you blah blah blah...I know I put all the details in correcty, I've done it a million times. I'm simply just going to put this out there.

>>54121684
allark.io desu. Fee is high though, like 4.9%. Non-KYC.

>>54119366
>>54120333
Checked

>>54121540
>>54120333
>>54119366
>>54119359
>>54119235
Let's make bank

cos dot tv/videos/play/42961585568781312

>>54121864
Thanks

>>54121832
atomic swaps cannot come sooner.

>>54121868
>>54121864
>>54121832
>>54121684
>>54121540
Let's make bank

cos dot tv/videos/play/42961585568781312

>>54119160
>Quite a few
2 with competitive products?

>>54122006
idk what that is. I should have used cake wallet but I had used Majestic Bank so many times before I trusted them. They might still get back to me (doubt it) but yeah. Oh well, lesson learned???

>>54121832
>he uses windows
keep pushing anon
maybe it takes some time to check what happened because you don't have exchange id

Hello fellow schitzos

I have some XMR from an old BTC wallet I traded for. I want to buy more but KYC is gay.

What is the best option to convert fiat into (any) coin to then exchange for Monero? I was thinking maybe a BTC ATM?

>>54124724
ATMs work, also you can do cash-by-mail on LocalMonero.

>>54123441
>idk what that is
trustless cross chain swaps. There actually is one implemented for BTC<->XMR

>>54125088
I saw that option, but I'm not sure I'm that trusting. Both in the post office and in the recipient.

>>54063432
Did not know, thanks for sharing. Those are good guys.

>>54125088
tell us what the daily atm limit is, bozo

I'm moving to a schitzo portfolio of XMR, gold and silver, ODTE options and ammunition

>>54125533

>>54125088
I don't know how it is for other anons, but all the crypto ATMs in my area are KYC and have pretty low limits for increasingly more intrusive tiers of KYC (typically phone number -> ID -> DoB, SSN)

>>54124625
Thanks anon I hope I am just jumping the gun and they get back to me.
>captcha XMR

>>54124625
Thanks anon I hope I am just jumping the gun and they get back to me.
>captcha XMR

>>54061454
>Don't bother file taxes years I don't have income
>Have only had income 3 years.
>Will hopefully make it this bull run (I've been in crypto since 2015 and either fucked up or cashed out at the wrong time ever since so I still haven't made it)
Me having no income won't be out of the ordinary.