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Reminder this is Trump’s fault.
Imagine obsessing about Trump 24/7/365 what a sad life
>>54051239>Reich
The effects of Trump's 4 year term will be felt by women of colored for nearly a hundred years.
>>54051232uh oh lolbertarians
>>54051232Trump is a fucking moron.News at twelve
>>54051232what other banks did he deregulate?
Biden wants to be Trump so bad. It’s embarrassing.
>>54051239>>54051249that's because trump's a nigger unlike biden
100% his fault
>>54051232The TDS is truly more annoying that Trump himself.This has nothing to do with regulation and everything to do with the bank's management being a bunch of fucking morons.
>>54051280didn't they also plan to host that faggot from FTX?
>>54051232Even if this was true, why couldn't the Jews just behave themselves and NOT lose everyone's money?
>>54051239He's responsible for the collapse of SVB, though, which is in the news. Deregulating banks is never a good move.
>>54051287The bank's management are the people who lobbied Trump to create a loophole in Dodd Frank just for them. The removal of that regulation is precisely what allowed SVB to do what it did.
>>54051263Pretty much every Trump cope is based on 2020, the year where shitlibs bitched and moaned because of a common cold that looked bad because videos leaked from a country with over a billion worker drones (of course there would be a few chinks having epileptic seizures). Just like how shitters demanded we print up $4 trillion to pay off unemployment and relief checks (then blame Trump for inflation) the shitters then demanded we allow banks to hold 0 reserves or else the economy would crash. This isn't to say banks weren't already holding onto a penny for every Benjamin they loaned out, but now they could go off the rails. These loans are the only reason why Biden's term has looked even passable, it's all fake money. And every bank took advantage of this, they'd be foolish not to.
>>54051318They are incapable for "behaving themselves" on the honor system, that's why regulations are needed.
Honest question. What has the modern Democratic party done to reign in banks/corporations/pharma/MIC/big tech? They’re worse corporate whores than Republicans and have been for a while. They just had control of all three branches for two years and did nothing but protect already powerful institutions. Even “radical progressives” like Bernie and AOC are total establishment shills. AOC was literally crying a few weeks ago because a handful of Republicans had the audacity to ask questions of twitter employees who colluded with the FBI to blatantly violate the rights of American citizens.
>>54051232Rent free
Well bidens president now so couldn't he have re-regulated it?
>>54051391Trump removed all regulations right before he left office.
>>54051388Wow, these Jews seem like unsavory characters bro.
>>54051417WHOA homeboy, let's back up a bit and cool down with that anti-semitism ok? No need to be all in a hurry now.
>>54051391Because at least half of the Dems are just Republicans with a friendly face.
>>54051232Wow, they all still have Trump Derangement Syndrome are all probably still wearing masks too.
>>54051232Trump Derangement Syndrome!
>>54051431>he really still thinks any politician is a good guy
>>54051232Reminder that this is /biz/ and we don't fall for your fake jewish bullshit politics. Nobody gives a shit about Democrats vs Republicans.
>>54051275>I'm sorry for stealing the election Donald, the you know who's put me up to it and they were going to kill my last remaining son if I didn't go along with it.>That's okay Joe that's okay a lot of people and these are a lot of intelligent people were telling me that. I'm sorry for calling you sleepy that was uncalled for and I'm sorry for making fun of Beau. I'm sure he was a wonderful kid, i heard a lot of great things about him>What do you say we team up man? I've fired the mystery meat VP they forced on me while they doped me up. What do you say Don? How about you bring that magic wand for one more go at fixing this mess?>Id like that a lot Joe, I'd like that a lot. Let's build back America great again better.
Lmao, shills in full damage control. Biden is responsible for the worst financial crisis in US history. His reputation is FINISHED.
He's not wrong, but its also Obama's fault. Like most of Trump's shit, he took Obama's centrist faggotry and expanded it.
>>54051464kek, based
>>54051375Just because you deregulate doesn't mean you should be so fucking stupid that you don't know how to run a bank or to not insure 90% of deposits, or hedge out interest rate changes on your securities, or hire a Chief Risk Officer for the last six months. These idiots could have blown up any business anywhere.
Oh great are we going with another red herring like the partial repeal of glass steagall that did nothing, but niggers want to make the claim that systemic collapse on a stuctural level is due to one tiny loophole?
>>54051512You don't get it, do you? There are no negative repercussions for behaving like the management of SVB did. They literally cashed out their stock and gave themselves bonuses hours before the shit hit the fan. That's why bank regulations exist.
>>54051464If Joe repented, I could forgive him.Just admit you were wrong and Trump his job back.
>>54051563Guarantee all of that will be clawed back by FDIC and Justice dep.
>>54051331It's a great move for crypto and pm chudsGet rekt, tranny scum
>>54051232Nixon's fault and every other president after that's fault that didn't reverse that nigger's decision
>>54051788Why does your pic substitute Big Lez for Chud? Is that how you see yourself?
>>54051232>trump fault>Trump said take the jab>Libshit follow while polchud dontTrump's fault>4 years trump never had money problemTrump's fault>4 years trump never had any wartrump's fault>4 years trump cheap gasTrump's fault>horrible train accident on Palestine americaTrump's faultSadly trump is not my president (God,I wish)
>>54051232I named my cock Trump
>>54051232The only way to make up for Trump's sins is by justice. Put him on trial, find him guilty, have him rot in a cell for a decade or two, and then put up the public execution. Make sure to videotape it so all women of color in the next thousand years can watch it and feel liberated.
>>54051232I mean, he's not wrong though
>>54051232Reminder that Reich is a turbo manlet
>>54051232I named my cock Trump>>54051258I mean she was an airhead, I wouldn't call her a moron though>>54051278I mean Trump is big but I don't have a nigger dick>>54051375Trump wasn't lobbied, but I appreciate the thought>>54051420My wife loves it when Trump is deregulated>>54051437>>54051438Most women have Trump Derangement Syndrome after a long night with Trump>>54051490Trump stays out of shit, I'm not into anal
>>54051232Regulation just raises costs they don't stop banks from doing shit anymore.Everyone is bribe-able.Tech hides everything.Its easy to push the blame on others and make it look like only one person and not everyone was involved."There's a billion in money not accounted for?Here's 5 million don't snitch on us because we will kill you">>54051275We will invest in America!>invests in South America
>>54051232He's just mad because Trump also deregulated men's height to the point he could be 4'10".
>>54051512That’s exactly why they lobbied trump for the loophole anon. Trump is very familiar with how banks operate as well, so he knew exactly what they would do. This was one of if not the worst decision trump made as president. He was good overall, but this move was retarded and he knew it
>>54051464You wouldn't accept an apology if it was the other way around. Fuck off.
>>54052829Never trust a manlet (under 5'11"), especially a midget. Behind all their goofy antics manlets are bitter people who wish for nothing more than to drag everyone down to their height. Punt every manlet and torture every midget. Its the only way.
>>54051232Nah it was Moscow Mitch and Paul "tiny-brain" Ryan.Republicans in Congress fell over themselves trying to "save" the banks from safety regulation.Trump as per usual did nothing but exhaust hot air and sign whatever Mitch brought to him.
>>54051232Did Trump hire all the diversity?
>>54053185Trump was a buffoon trumpeting the evils of Illegals while employing them personally, so probably?
it's republicans who favor deregulation, not trump. if trump were president they would be afraid to do anything like this. it's not a coincidence this happened under biden's watch
>>54053168Asshole
>>54053292>banks didn’t shamelessly gamble under trump Kek. He wasn’t their preferred candidate, but wallstreet sure as shit didn’t kvetch when he won
>>54053292>it's republicans who favor deregulation, not trumpWhat was this about then?
>>54053292Trump never stopped anyone from doing anything. His Cabinet was brimming with industry flacks set on deregulation.His entire Presidency was a worthless vanity opportunity. Not a single "first 100 days" promise was even seriously attempted.And he left office sowing chaos and pardoning his favorite Tribesmen and negroes.
>>54051278>gold plated everything>always late>big macs for everyoneyeah but he was a based nigger
>>54053341It'll be a generation before the myth of Donald, Champion of the Common Man is finally relegated to the bullshit museum.
>over 2 years into the Biden admin>th-this is all drumpf's fault, honest...truly pathetic
>>54053352>>54053387oh look another jealous pleb who hates trump because he's successful. NEXT
>>54051232>Trumps faultLmao this isn't the fault of anyone who is currently alive. Covid pretty much destabalized everything. Unironically staying the course and ignoring shutdowns would have kept this ship running a decade or more longer before something actually crashed it. No fault tolerance and the longer it goes, the harder it is to adapt to instability.
>>54053409He was amusing and fine as a crooked businessman who routinely cheated every greedy sap who tried doing business with him.But he brought a level of graft, sleazy dealing, horrendous diplomacy and general incompetence that government hasn't seen in a century, if ever.
>>54053462prove it
>>54052829AHAHAHA YOU WERENT LYING AHAHAHA. ONLY ON TWITTER WHERE NO ONE CAN SEE HOW MUCH OF A MANLET HE IS CAN HE GET SOMEONE TO LISTEN TO HIM HAHAHA
>>54053462Biden isnt much betterThe US presidency has become a joke since Clinton I would say
>>54051232why didn't anyone reregulate them in the last two years?
>>54053536You don't accept evidence that doesn't confirm your own bias and prejudices, so what's the fucking point?
>>54051239>Imagine obsessing about people who obsess about Trump 24/7/365 what a sad life
>>54053579hmmm disappointing i thought maybe you had something to back up your words. oh well, not surprising i guess
>>54053462>a level of graft, sleazy dealing, horrendous diplomacy and general incompetence that government hasn't seen in a century, if ever.lmao you're fucking retarded m8
>>54053561Clinton had numerous deficiencies of character, but was a good steward of the Nation and a competent politician. I'm no major fan but he did his job decently.
>>54051232He is unironically right. The easy money policies Trump encouraged have absolutely fucked us, and the comedown isn’t going to be easy. But EVERY President has to deal with the fallout of their predecessors decisions, so it’s moot to be so whiny
>>54051239Basedhttps://files.catbox.moe/rdul8i.webm
>>54051275>>54051464https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phtYOPfe3mQTrumpcore making a comeback
>>54051375>Lobbying Trump for a loophole in a bill passed by congress a decade before Trump was President???
>>54053462You're the reason why everything gets worse. But that's okay because clown world is funny.
>>54053619I'd like to know the "fallout" Obama left Trump, Clinton left Dubya a house in fair order, it was on fire when Dubya left office, same for "I will end foreign conflicts in first 100 days" Trump.
>>54053669>ObamaFailed to deal contain ISIS and the fallout from leaving Iraq — which of course was overdue. Not to mention retarded QE.>ClintonHad the opportunity to go after Osama and didn’t. Maybe not a fallout but a very consequential mistake.
>>54053210Lol he really hurt you
>>54051232Normies dont care. They see Biden as the current siting President with nothing to show for it except three years of inflation, economic ruin and war funding. He will get the blame for it.
>>54053716>Failed to deal contain ISIS and the fallout from leaving IraqThe only answer to radical Islam bullshit is saturation atomic bombing, that was never going to happen. QE was somewhat necessary retardation to fix Dubya's bank collapse. It created a major deficit problem of course, which Trump "fixed" by signing massive tax break gibs for the same guys who benefited from QE.Clinton didn't have time-vision, America had and has a shit-ton of mortal enemies, you might as well blame him for not stopping Timothy McVeigh and separatist radicals.
>>54053751>economic ruinIts another inflation cycle. This bank was purely in the business of holding money for flamboyant startups throwing around stupid amounts of money on foolhardy "projects".America has spent trillions cockblocking Russians over the last century, it's good to see money directly killing Vatniks for a change.
>>54053774Wow, I haven't seen facebook-tier, cable news level boomer politics in a long time lol. It's crazy you people still exist.
>>54051232>niggas still on trump derangement syndrome
>>54053824Not an argument or counter-point, as per usual Zoomie.
>>54053604lolhe removed glass steagallthe guy was a compltely sellout
>>54051386>No you're only allowed to judge Drumpf on his good years!You do realize Drumpf was adding trillions to the debt even before WuFlu right?
>>54053669you may have been busy not being born for several years yet, but 2000 was not considered a house in fair order:>dotcom bubble bursting>LTCM exploded on his watch>Enron evaded suspicion for the entirety of the Clinton administration only to blow up in 2001
>>54053835No the argument is beyond you so engaging ins pointless.
>>54051386>No you're only allowed to judge God Emperor on his good years!You do realize Drumpf was adding trillions to the debt even before WuFlu right?
>>54053868Clinton also removed Glass Steagall which later led to the 2008 crisisClinton was called "the frist jewish president" because how kiked his government was
>>54053371>B-based!
>>54052234Didn't know estrogen pills were red.
>>54053911Repealing Glass-Steagall is something Clintonoids just ignore, its a giant blind spot that their bestie fucked them that hard.
>>54053899You're implying everyone wasn't super critical of the money printer going brrrr.
This is the same fucking guy that supported the federal reserves endless money printing which creates these insane economic bubbles and recessions.What a piece of shit.
>>54051420And why hasn't Biden changed it back? He had years to and could have been part of his Day 1 Executive Order Bonanza.
>>54051253>uh oh lolbertariansThese banking failures only prove libertarians right.We warned you about central banking bro>>54051420I wish he did.>>54051417>government regulation would have magically stopped this problem that the government itself created
>>54051232when there was a hurricane shortly after 2016 election, CNN ran unironic stories for a week about how Trump's climate policies cause hurricanesIn Chinese history Emperors would often be blamed for the weather and climate, and reading that seems like they're all retarded, but our media and society today does the very same things, just with culturally relevant adjustments.
>>54053899Trump had no "good years".He had 2 full years with a friendly House, Senate and SCOTUS and accomplished nothing whatsoever but a Victory Tour and twatter trolling.Assheads like like to parrot "Trump Derangement Syndrome" because stirring up domestic anger is Trump's sole achievement, he sure trolled us hard.
>>54051232Wedge driver. Watch the antiwork commies back this tweet and trash republicans meanwhile they call for solidarity The wedge wins it always does I refuse to ever work with the left on this.
>>54053938/bizrealis/ couldn't be happier. King Blumpf was going to make them all rich!
>>54051438Fixed your image
>>54053973>about how Trump's climate policiesCNN was full of shit, Trump had no policies whatsoever.
>>54053980It seems like you still have a case of TDS if you're seething this hard years later.
>>54051280Will someone think of the poor starving israelis?
>>54051232BLUMMMMPPPHHHHHHH
>>54053988Way to out yourself as a shill. The unlimited money printing was widely denounced and a reckoning was predicted that seems to be happening now.
>>54051232I hate that kike. Hitler should have gassed them all
>>54054001It's been a whopping 2 years, and he's still steering the GOP around by the nose, are we pretending he's retired?
>>54052234So the red pill was reddit all along. How did I not see it in the name.
ORANGE MAN REEEEEEEEEEEE
>>54051391left/right or dem/repub are just corporate shills, they agree on 90% of things and only allow controlled discourse for culture war bullshit that barely affects anyone.
>>54053921Fug even his avatar is ugly lmao
>>54054038Nigger if you take one post seriously in your entire time on this shitty site take this one seriously. Turn off your Talmudvision and break out of the false red/blue dichotomy of US politics. It's a trap for midwits and boomers. Neither party hesitates to send trillions to Israel and Ukraine yet you're sitting here carrying water for one side or the other. Neither party cares about you and you absolutely need to wake up to that.
>>54054054The GOP would sacrifice their own children to Moloch before they'd allow Biden to tax the wealthy like he's talking.
>>54054054The only sane post. Politics are a puppet show in the US. And there's a jew behind the curtain.
>>540540721. I don't watch cable news2. Nor do I twat.3. I am well aware of how the Dems have failed the working man.But I will never vote GOP because they actively attack the interest of workers, rather than act disinterested like Dems. I wish we had a couple more REAL parties, but this is what we have.
>>54054085Do you truly think that the neoliberals will raise taxes on the corpos they shill for? If so I would like to sell you some time shares because you appear to be a fucking idiot.
>>54054130The parties aren't real yet you can't let go of your hate for them. Curious.I'm guessing you internalized some propaganda at a deep level and just can't break out of it.
>>54053663Are you retarded?
>>54054131I love the Zoomer infatuation with the idea that Liberals are the prime advocates for Big Corp.It wasn't the Liberals who cut them tax gibs, it wasn't the Liberals who installed "friends o' corp" SCOTUS appointees, it wasn't the Liberals who drafted all the legislation giving then free reign.But somehow the Liberals are the Greatest Ally of Corporations because you can't say nigger on Faceberg.
>>54054197I can't waste any more time with you but thanks for showing that the puppet show has still trapped so many people. You have lived stupid and you will die stupid. It's crazy how correct Yuri was.
>>54053716>a very consequential mistake.Was it really that consequential? The kikes would just have some other muzzie take the fall
blumpf
>>54054197All taxation should be abolished but so should central banking.It's leftists who advocate for central banking and creating artificial financial bubbles in stocks and housing.
>>54054262You wish moron.
>>54051232you could set your watch to this kikeanography
>>54054354cope retardyou idiots advocated for this money printing, you got what you wanted
>>54053626lmao someone actually spent time on this piece of shit
THIS ENTIRE THING IS ALL BIDENS FAULT HE IS BUSY HIRING NIGGERS AND STUPID WOMEN EVERY CHANCE HE GETS FUCKING NIGGER LOVER DEMENTIA RIDDLED CRACK HEAD SON HAVING PIECE OF SHIT FAGGOT LEADER OF THE "FREE" WORLD HASNT DONE A GOD DAMN THING LET THIS ALL HAPPEN NOW BANK RUNS WILL HAPPEN MONDAY AND HIS NIGGER WILL HAVE A PRESSER TO BE ALL LIKE IM A STUPID NIGGER NOTHIGN GONNA HAPPEN OOOGA BOOGA IM A NIGGER PRESSER
>>54054415Link any OC you've created
>>54054378You have no clue what you're talking about.
>>54054415https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_inUax_RTUo
>>54054481really? So leftists don't advocate central banking?YOU have no clue what you're talking about
>>54054489Leftists oppose banking you fucking retard.
>>54053817>verbal diarhheaNormies arent going to this sift through these bullshit, desperate explanations. Theyre going to see Biden as the President and in charge of the country and they will blame him for this entire fallout.
>>54051331>>54051375>>54051388>>54051563>>54052234>>54053168Neoliberals like you are getting a well deserved bullet in your head in Ukraine.
>>54054496HAHAHAHHAHAHAEvery socialist state in history had a strong powerful central bank.Every center left or liberal government had a central bank that heavily intervenes.The only people who are against central banks are Libertarians.
>>54054546>socialist stateNice oxymoron, moron.
>>54054496You're not a Leftist faglover. Your a neoliberal fascists larping as one because you think fag rights, blacks, and shitting on the American working class is left.Every Liberal has been killed by the Left because Leftism is victory.
>>54054593>Your a neoliberal fascists larping as one because you think fag rights, blacks, and shitting on the American working class is left.Nice projection you fucking tranny nigger faggot. None of those things have anything to do with leftism.
>>54054489>>54054546The hardline commie revolutionaries probably claim that they want to shoot bankers, but the average american libtard would openly support unlimited power for the central banks by way of CBDCs, money printing, or anything else you shill to them with a headline ending in, "and here's why this is a good thing!" At the same time, I 100% agree that when commies actually take power, they end up doing all of the same things they claimed were immoral. Central banking, inequality between classes, police brutality and repression, etc, all still occurred in communist regimes every time. It's just that now "their guys" are in power.
>>54054588>Nice oxymoron, moron.hahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAFirst off, this isn't even true in terms of marxist theory because socialism IS supposed to be a statist society, which is supposed to transition to a communist society which is stateless. You have no clue what you're talking about.Secondly, every time socialists ruled, it was a state! Not only that but it was an incredibly authoritarian, interventionist state.Thirdly, all socialists need to be drowned.
>>54054616>tranny nigger faggotI thought you leftists weren't supposed to say those things.
>>54054621>in terms of marxist theory because socialism IS supposed to be a statist societyHoly fuck you're clueless.
>>54054621yeah, exactly - it is always "full communism is possible within 1 generation" but it ends up being a cycle of fuckups and blaming all the problems on the last guy.
legitimate question - is it possible to have a constructive conversation addressing and/or criticizing policies and legislation from the trump administration, especially ones that affect the financial sector, or does it all turn into 2016 faggotry immediately
>>54054648That's because you have Down Syndrome.
>>54054655>Holy fuck you're clueless.Where is you're argument? I'm literally correct.Read Lenin, read Marx.You have no clue what you're talking about, but please keep posting so you can get BTFO more.>>54054677Then why do you have no argument?
>>54054670I'd wager that the surname of the president prior to the current one is very high up in the top 10 list of words used to execute the command which fires up new bots and makes currently operational bots begin spamming and shilling hard.
SVB will go down as the biggest WOMAN MOMENT in history
>>54054690Marx never even described what "communism" is supposed to be other than vaguely characterizing it as a stateless classless system that occurs after the capitalist mode of production. You've never read a book in your life, have you?>Then why do you have no argument?I have arguments, you have Down Syndrome.
>>54054757>Marx never even described what "communism" is supposed to beHe described it as stateless at the very least.Why are you even debating me on this? Ask your fellow cumrades, they know I'm right.Socialism is the statist form which comes after capitalism, and eventually the state will "wither away" leading to communism.It's delusional religious cult thinking, but it's what they believe.>You've never read a book in your life, have you?Are you actually a communist? Then I KNOW you haven't read a single thing.You bootlicking manchildren are the biggest pseudointellectual frauds on planet earth.>I have arguments, you have Down Syndrome.You're a leftist, you have downs by definition.
>>54054852>Socialism is the statist formFalse. Educate yourself before spewing out nonsense.>Are you actually a communist? No such thing. If you think there is, then you've never read Marx and haven't comprehended a single word I've written.>You're a leftist, you have downs by definition.You're the literal retard who thought identity politics had anything to do with leftism. I never claimed to be of any political persuasion.
>>54054912>False.True.Holy fucking shit lmao.You have zero evidence of this. I've been debating leftists and reading their theory for over a decade now.Leftists constantly claimed that the USSR only ever claimed to be socialist and not communist. The USSR was a state, obviously.>No such thing.WHAT? So people who call themselves communists do not exist?What the fuck are you even saying?>You're the literal retard who thought identity politics had anything to do with leftism.I never said anything of the sort.Are you a chatgpt bot?
>>54054954>True.>Holy fucking shit lmao.Cite a supporting passage in Das Kapital or stfu.>Leftists constantly claimed that the USSR only ever claimed to be socialist and not communist.It doesn't matter what the USSR "claimed to be" any more than it matters what gender a tranny "claims to be". What matters is reality. >WHAT? So people who call themselves communists do not exist?A capitalist is an owner of capital. A "communist" would therefore be someone living under communism, which has never existed since the advent of civilization since every civilization has heretofore allowed concentrated individual ownership of capital.>I never said anything of the sort.You literally posted this, retard: >>54054648
>>54054478not the anon you're responding to but i made this hugely influential pink wojak edit. i agree with anon that that webm is unwatchable.
>>54051232it's amazing how all of our problems lead back to trump
>>54055067i also made this
>>54051280links to their porn vids from 5 years ago?
>>54051232Btw trump was responsible for the holocaust.
>>54055051>Cite a supporting passage in Das Kapital or stfu.It's right in the manifesto.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/>The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.Why would it be in capital? Capital is a critique of capitalism.>What matters is reality.Yes and that reality is socialism is a STATIST society.Every time socialists have ruled, it has been a state.Were those not real socialism?>A capitalist is an owner of capital.We weren't talking about them schizo.>A "communist" would therefore be someone living under communism,No, you absolute fucking retard, we are talking about people who identify as communists. Stop changing the subject you insane moron.>You literally posted thisSo? Leftists themselves hate trad right wing thought. Unless you're some kind of nazbol cuckold.
>>54055158I can't decipher what the fuck perspective the anon you're replying to is coming from.
>>54055158>The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.Yes, that is a prediction they made. Nothing to do with "socialism". >Why would it be in capital? Capital is a critique of capitalism.99% of Marx's work is an analysis of capitalism as it existed in his time. He never advocated for any particular economic or political system.>Yes and that reality is socialism is a STATIST society.Wrong.>people who identify as communistsAre as clueless as you are. Communism is not a stage that can be hastened or advocated for. It is simply the next stage beyond capitalism.>trad right wing thought.Oxymoron. There's nothing "traditional" or conservative about capitalism.
>>54055220I'm the Libertarian educating the marxist retard on his own fucking theory lol
>>54055229You have no clue what Marx even wrote, moron. The fact that you consider me to be a "Marxist" proves that you haven't understood a word I've said.
>>54055227You'd better look-up the definition of "manifesto" real quick and get back to us.
>>54055227>Yes, that is a prediction they made.It's what he advocates for as well and then proceeds to make a list of policy proposals.Why are you coping over marx's own words? lol>99% of Marx's work is an analysis of capitalism as it existed in his time.Except the manifesto which gives prescriptions on how to abolish capitalism by creating socialism(a state).>e never advocated for any particular economic or political system.HAHA What the fuck retard? He literally did in that same fucking chapter.>Wrong.So the USSR wasn't a state?Or they weren't "REAL SOCIALISM"?You're falling apart here. You're getting BTFO with every point you make.>Communism is not a stage that can be hastened or advocated for.Yes, yes it literally can and is.You're literally saying communists do not even exist.You're insane and have brain damage.>It is simply the next stage beyond capitalism.The people who advocate for this incorrect mystical theory are called communists.>There's nothing "traditional" or conservative about capitalism.Literally you're opinion.>>54055260>You have no clue what Marx even wrote, moron.HAHAHA I just showed you never even read the manifesto. Holy shit kill yourself.IMAGINE getting this rekt in a debate and continuing to post.>The fact that you consider me to be a "Marxist" proves that you haven't understood a word I've said.You literally are.
>>54055307>It's what he advocates for as well and then proceeds to make a list of policy proposals.False. He makes a list of predictions.> gives prescriptions on how to abolish capitalism by creating socialism(a state).Wrong. His work was descriptive not prescriptive. And he didn't characterize the points you cite as elements of "socialism".>So the USSR wasn't a state?Wrong. You could have looked up that one yourself.>The people who advocate for this incorrect mystical theory are called communists.Uhhh, might want to reread the post you're replying to, jackass.>you're opinionlol>HAHAHA I just showed you never even read the manifestoYou proved that you've never read it, you mean.>You literally are.I'm literally not. Shows your embarrassing lack of reading comprehension.
>>54051275>MIGA NOW>MIGA FOREVER
>>54051989>0 replies agreeing Sad nobody has an IQ high enough to understand that this was the case.We’re stuck with retarded migaboomers and left troons here who are doing nothing but blaming the other party for everything as if anything either of them are doing these days will have any impact
>>540512394'11"
>>54055429>False. He makes a list of predictions.Wrong. Those are all prescriptions. The book was advocating for socialism and was meant to be short and easy to read for average workers.He advocated for socialism his entire life.Was asking for workers of the world to unite a "prediction" too, you disingenuous faggot?>His work was descriptive not prescriptive.You're wrong and you know you're wrong yet you continue to lie using the dumbest mental gymnastics ever.>And he didn't characterize the points you cite as elements of "socialism".Except he did.>Wrong. You could have looked up that one yourself.So the USSR was a stateless society?fucking LMAO>might want to reread the post you're replying toI read it perfectly, you're just insane and retarded and have no argument.>lolyour getting trolled pretty easily here lol>You proved that you've never read it, you mean.kekYou're actually saying the manifesto was never advocating for socialism.Fucking LOL.You didn't even read the thing. You probably just watched some tankie youtube videos.What do you think a MANIFESTO fucking means you absolute moron?>A manifesto is a published declaration of the intentions, motives, or views of the issuer, be it an individual, group, political party or government.What about this? He wasn't advocating anything here? He wasn't making prescriptions?>II. It is high time that Communists should openly, in the face of the whole world, publish their views, their aims, their tendencies, and meet this nursery tale of the Spectre of Communism with a manifesto of the party itself.>To this end, Communists of various nationalities have assembled in London and sketched the following manifesto, to be published in the English, French, German, Italian, Flemish and Danish languages.Why are you crying over reality?
>>54055516Which decision? I'm curious now.
>>54055555>54055555 what does this mean?
>>54055555checked quints
>>54053980kek of all the presidents to rebuke its trump 247. You’re so fucking stupid.
>>54055599>>54055602>>54055555oh wow nice :)
>>54055555>So the USSR was a stateless society?USSR was a state, you fucking retard. Learn some basic history before asking dumb questions. You're hopeless.
Why did Trump mindbreak liberals so fucking hard?I kind of get it in 2015 when it seemed like he could potentially be a Nazi but in fucking 2023? His 4 years was a giant nothing burger and he's been gone for a while now and they are still losing their minds over him. It's honestly bizarre.
>>54055646>USSR was a stateyeah I know, you're probably ESL or something, that's why you can't follow a simple English grammarI said "So the USSR wasn't a state?" and you said "Wrong."It's a yes or no question. What the fuck am I supposed to understand from "wrong"? Wrong they were a state? Or wrong they weren't a state.Learn to speak english.Also, yes the USSR was socialist state and yes it was a shithole.>You're hopeless.You got demolished on every other point you tried to make. Notice how you couldn't respond to my other points lol
>>54055692>Why did Trump mindbreak liberals so fucking hard?Mental illness and hormone pills.
>>54055731Logic clearly isn't your strong suite. The USSR was a dictatorship, it has as much to do with "socialism" as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea has to do with democratic republics.
>>54055788>Logic clearly isn't your strong suite.lol so you're projecting now after your massive blunder, got itYour replies to me are on a single line now. Are you just trying to get the last word in or something after getting stomped on in our debate?>The USSR was a dictatorship, it has as much to do with "socialism" as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea has to do with democratic republics.Ahhhh, so you're one of those "not real socialism" cope retards.Newsflash, the vast majority of the socialist community are now tankies that support the USSR.Have fun with that.
>>54054657>it is always "full communism is possible within 1 generation">>54054852>...leading to communism>>54054954>the USSR only ever claimed to be socialist and not communistEven as late as the 1960s the USSR government, under Nikita Khrushchev at this time, were saying Communism hadn't been achieved yet and they were saying it would come in 20 years. They were saying they didn't have Communism yet but that in the 1980s Communism would finally start to become reality. Basically perpetual 2moreweeksery. https://www.google.com/search?q=communismin20yearsRegarding the "it's not real communism/capitalism" etc: https://files.catbox.moe/3j3pl8.webmhttps://files.catbox.moe/t0pn97.webmhttps://files.catbox.moe/8kc317.webmhttps://files.catbox.moe/9ppk8s.webmhttps://files.catbox.moe/qi15vn.webm
>>54055692I think it's a combination of his immense wealth and common vernacular/crass behavior that sets certain people off. They can't handle that someone several orders of magnitude higher than them on the social strata talks like an arrogant gas station attendant.
>>54053341He instituted a mandate that all administrative state departments had to remove 2 rules before adding one. This was useful in slowing down the growth of the administrative state and pruning obsolete law. There are laws on the book mandating that every computer and electronic device be "Y2K Compatible" because nobody bothered to remove the laws. The mandate Trump did was good at making the departments more thoughtful about new laws they were drafting.
>>54055840>your massive blunderYou can't even understand what the word "wrong" means and now suddenly *I'm* the one who made the blunder? What the fuck are you smoking?>Ahhhh, so you're one of those "not real socialism" cope retards.Tranny logic. Socialism means capital is not privately owned but rather controlled by those who create and operate it. Government bureaucrats are precisely such nonfunctional third parties.
>>54053552i cant redeem my height
Trump is a loser who fucked everything up. Republicans won't let him be the candidate again. As much as /Pol/ wants their hand cannon to come true he won't win the primaries
>>54055963>You can't even understand what the word "wrong" meansWith the incorrect way you used it, nobody could.You're actually this retarded and expect people to read your mind.It's like I asked if you're left or right handed and you answered "table".>Socialism means capital is not privately owned but rather controlled by those who create and operate it.Yes and in the USSR, capital was owned by the vanguard worker's party. You can cry about this, but it's reality.If you're one of those "worker co-op" type socialist retards, there are countless studies showing that they are much more inefficient than capitalist firms and typically have lower wages. The failure of co-ops in Venezuela is a good example of this.
>>54055555checked btw
>>54056051>With the incorrect way you used it,It's standard English, big boy.>If you're one of those "worker co-op" type socialist retardsI never claimed any particular political or economic orientation dumbass. Learn to read. I am simply educating you on what socialism is. >there are countless studies showing that they are much more inefficient Impossible since there has never been a socialist society (i.e. a society without laws protecting the right to concentrated individual ownership of capital, whether in the form of private business owners or government bureaucrats).
>>54056149>It's standard EnglishNo it isn't. You don't know how to use English properly, brainlet.Try responding to my original criticism of your blunder. Go ahead kek>I never claimed any particular political or economic orientation dumbass.It's painfully obvious you're a socialist. There's no need to lie or cry.>I am simply educating you on what socialism is.and you failed miserably on that, notice you stopped arguing about it after getting btfo>Impossible since there has never been a socialist societylmao holy fucking autism puristSo worker co-ops existing in today's world don't count as socialism even though they are definitionally the workers owning the means of production?HAHA
>>54056212You asked "So the USSR wasn't a state?" and I correctly answered "Wrong".If you say "You forgot the plane tickets?" and I answer "Wrong" it means I did not forget the plane tickets. Sorry you're an ESL.>It's painfully obvious you're a socialist>>I am simply educating you on what socialism is.>and you failed miserablyNice self-contradiction, mongoloid. You don't even know what you're trying to say anymore.>So worker co-ops existing in today's world don't count as socialismOf course not. Socialism means the absence of laws protecting private ownership of capital. It's about reducing the role of the state in the economy.
>>54056149Oh my God, when someone uses the word "socialist" they are almost always referencing some facet of the socialist movement rather than referring to the utopian society that comes about some time after the vanguard party seizes the means of production from the bourgeoisie... blah blah blah. Nobody cares about Marxist theory in common discourse. Furthermore, nobody needs to be educated on it because it doesn't matter.
>>54056330You're making my point for me. Socialism has nothing to do with "Marxist theory".
>>54056325>You asked "So the USSR wasn't a state?" and I correctly answered "Wrong".This can also be misunderstood as "you're wrong" as in "your argument is wrong", not that the statement I was making was wrong.You're unironically retarded.>Nice self-contradictionNo contradiction here. I simply stated that you failed on educating me on socialism because you're just wrong.Notice you stopped arguing with me on that topic after you got BTFO.>You don't even know what you're trying to say anymore.KEK the fucking projecting, you are all over the place schizoAlso, you can stop lying now. You're a socialist, we get it.>Of course not.Why not? It's literally the workers owning the means of production?It's socialism. You're the most autistic purist coping "Not Real Socialism" retard I have ever come across.>It's about reducing the role of the state in the economy.This is absolutely hilarious. Socialism is the exact opposite.Every single socialist community in history was extremely statist in nature.A state is required to implement socialism and to use violent force against voluntary capitalist acts.Anarchism is naturally capitalistic.
>>54056358He's mocking you for your insane autism and stupidity.>Socialism has nothing to do with "Marxist theory".Almost all socialism today is of the marxist variety. Cry about it.
>>54051232Source? What piece of paper did he actually sign that did this and how exactly?
>>54051232How did trump “deregulate banks” When the fuck did that happen? When was Dodd Frank repealed??
>>54056358So what modern political theory is socialism more to-do with than Marxism? That seems to be the most common lineage. Actually answer the question, I don't want to hear about how Marxism is the scientific analysis of the material conditions of 19th century society and therefore not a political theory.
>>54053619What “easy money”Policy did trump put in place lmao?You have no idea what you are talking about
>>54056427>Notice you stopped arguing with me on that topic after you got BTFO.What topic? You've been btfo consistently throughout this thread.>you failed on educating me on socialism because you're just wrong>You're a socialist, we get it.You literally can't stop contradicting yourself, can you? Or do you simply not understand how your allegations are logically inconsistent?>It's literally the workers owning the means of production?No, it isn't. Socialism is the absence of private ownership of capital, much like abolitionism opposes private ownership of human capital.>Socialism is the exact opposite.Wrong. Socialism is achieved by repealing a massive number of laws concerning property rights over productive infrastructure.>voluntary capitalist actsNo such thing. Capitalism can't exist without state enforcement of property rights.>Anarchism is naturally capitalistic.Lmao, that's the dumbest thing I've ever read.>>54056438>Almost all socialism today is of the marxist variety.In your dreams, nutball.
>>54056003What banking regulations did the trump admin remove? And if they did how would those regulations have prevented this problem? Why do people think jaut saying “regulation” does anything like someMagical talisman that stops all bad things?
>>54056513"Marxism" is a methodological approach to history that attempts to explain social phenomena in material terms. Marx never wrote a book on how an ideal society should be structured. In fact, he flatly rejected such normative or utopian projects. His books concern the nature of the capitalist mode of production as it actually existed and say almost nothing about socialism.
>>54056556>In the fallout of Friday's run on the bank, some reports noted that a rollback of banking regulations by former President Donald Trump might have weakened SVB's ability to manage risks associated with interest rates. In 2018, according to The New York Times, Trump signed a bill that axed regulatory requirements for regional banks with less than $250 billion in assets.>Under the new rules, such institutions no longer had to submit to "stress testing" by the Federal Reserve and were no longer required to keep a certain amount of cash on hand to protect against the effects of financial shocks, the newspaper reported.>The Times noted in its report that the bill was championed by SVB CEO Greg Becker. Becker had pressed lawmakers in Congress to lessen regulation that placed higher scrutiny on certain banks, claiming that SVB had a "low risk profile of our activities and business model." By 2018, his bank had spent roughly $500,000 to lobby for the changes that Trump ultimately signed into law, according to The Lever, an investigative news outlet.https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/trump-era-roll-back-of-bank-regulations-resurfaces-amid-svb-collapse/ar-AA18vuPe
>>54056533>What topic?The definition of communism. The definition of socialism. Marx's prescription for socialism. etc etc>You've been btfo consistently throughout this thread.That's why you stopped replying to my arguments, right? lol>You literally can't stop contradicting yourself, can you?Where is the contradiction? Point it out.>Socialism is the absence of private ownership of capitalYes and in these particular firms, there is no private ownership of capital, it's owned by the workers.Is this still capitalism to you or does the entire country have to be like this for your insane threshold to be reached?ALSO, there were many states around the world with only worker co-ops allowed, like Yugoslavia. Was that no socialism? Why not?>Socialism is achieved by repealing a massive number of lawsThat's pretty funny because socialists are always advocating MORE laws be implemented.Also, you can abolish private property rights but people will still want to own capital and will pay private security firms to do so, even in a stateless society.So your laws have been abolished, yet capitalism remains. hmmmmmIt's almost as if socialism requires statist force or something.>No such thing.kek so now you're freely admitting you are a socialist, got itand yes, capitalism is voluntary>Capitalism can't exist without state enforcement of property rights.Almost every time the state disappears, capitalist flourishes, this has been seen many times in history.>Lmao, that's the dumbest thing I've ever read.Fucking cope lmfaoExamples:French AcadiaMany areas of the American Midwest during 1800s.Cospaia 400 yearsFree Frisia 700 yearsNeutral Moresnet 100 yearsAncient Ireland 2000 yearsMedieval Iceland 400 yearsCheran Mexico current day>In your dreams, nutball.It's true though. Almost all of them are marxists.
>>54056579>Marx never wrote a book on how an ideal society should be structured.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/>His books concern the nature of the capitalist mode of productionand he was even wrong about that since menger, mises and Bohm Bawerk refuted him lolhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx_and_the_Close_of_His_System
>>54056579Yeah that's the non-answer I expected. >>54056605Actually interesting on-topic post. Very nice.
>>54056605lmao so you're an "anarchist" who is advocating for more banking regulationsLeft wing anarchists have to be the biggest oxymorons in history.Every example of their system in history was an extremely authoritarian state like Catalonia which had actual slavery.
>>54056439source is midget ass.Most of the people call him a retard in the comment, but there is still a significant number of old woman with ukraine flagg and proud vaxx numbers saying that ''orange synonim literally did this and should be arrested right away''
>>54056605Stress testing banks was invented after 2009 it never existed before This is pure cope and tds. The bank was mismanaged not a single USA bank has ever failed a “stress test” so I doubt this would have changed anything Reaching at best
>>54051280the diversity hire is causing so much harm to the economy this is what happens when you gave women rights and its all ya'll simp's fault just lock them up and trade them like commodities and everyone is going to be happy
>>54056711>no longer required to keep a certain amount of cash on hand to protect against the effects of financial shocksShould I assume that the "journalist" who wrote this article was too lazy to quantify "some amount of cash," or was the omission deliberate because it wouldn't have been enough? I'm on the fence between incompetence or deliberate misdirection. I'm definitely too lazy to go see what "some amount of cash" actually means.
>>54056873It’s obviously bullshit >banks operate on the verge of insolvency unless the U.S. government checks on them once in a while Only a total retard would believe this
>>54056439>>54056556>>54056523>>54056490Found something myself.https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/trump-deregulating-banks-heres-what-means-you-2019-02-12It seems he he let every bank but the biggest make it easier to give out mortgages then brought in Powell, who is now raising rates. Idk how mortgages work but if you already took out a mortgage & Powell raised rates did that effect you??? If so, then this is why he did these things...to screw over everyone like 08.
>>54051253I think you mean fascists.
>>54056983Only if you have an adjustable rate mortgage.They loosened mortgage rules back in 1998 that’s what caused the housing bubble
>>54057004How common is that? You think a high percentage of ppl have adjustable?
>>54051386>shitlibs bitched and moaned because of a common cold that looked bad because videos leaked from a country with over a billion worker dronesWasn't pol on the airborne aids train until the rest of the world started being concerned about covid?
>>54057019Not these days I’m the USA most are fixed Most counties don’t have fixed rates for more than 5 years so homeowners in euros and Canada are unironically fucked
>>54056579
MAGAcels gonna be absolutely seething when trump doesn't even win the primary
>>54057071So small & med banks can still give out mortgages easier while rates are being hiked? Still shitty, no? I hope something gets fucked enough after Monday so ppl get into BTC more. Do you know of any companies accepting BTC for properties? Thanks.
>>54053168I always called him Bitch McConnell, wish it had caught on.
>>54053292True. Trump denied signing of the TPPA free trade deal with Asia because he is based and can see the corruption there.
>>54051232Fuck Drumpf. No bailouts to Drumpf banks :)
>>54051232>IT'S DA TROOOOOOMP
>>54051431>when the dems fuck up its the Republicans faultlisten to yourself
>>54051275>Biden wants to be Trump so bad. It’s embarrassing.IndeedC,C,C,C,R R,Rringe ringe ringe ringahhhhh
>>54054019>Will someone think of the poor starving israelis?Don't worry, Jews have _lots_ of charity account they pay into precisely for this reason. I've seen there accounts because, unfortunately, they also get picked up by the money laundering puter at the bank.
>>54058210Sounds interesting. Care to tell us about some of it without doxxing yourself?
>>54053899Ok liberals you have to decide. You have to either support trump for shitting down the country and save us from Covid, or you have to admit Covid was retarded and there was no reason to shut it down. You can’t have it both ways.
>>54051232It's called capitalism buddy. If you don't like it if try Russia or China. The only thing I'm saying is the FDIC should insure more than 250k. Didn't say they had to raise it millions for personal accounts. But they could make it a little easier to manage.
>>54053152Kek imagine reacting seriously to that
>>54053996>Take your best shot, Flatlander woman
>>54051232SVB bought US treasuries.
I guess we have to vote an incompetent loudmouth into office every decade so we can relearn the lesson that it's not worth it. Here's to a decade of relative sanity
>>54059652If I recall correctly the Democrats were the ones pestering Drumpf about the huge spending bill that needed to be passed to help struggling businesses because the Democrats made people believe that Coof-it is going to kill them. And let's not forget who is pushing for the war in Ukraine right now.Captcha: 2SVB40What do the numbers mean ?
>>54053996fixed your jpg
>>54051375fake and gay
>>54051232I dont see much "If you want to hurt TRUMP, withdraw all your money on Monday!!!" posts on reddit.Dissapointing really, are they recovering from TDS?