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>>53925833
Sex with Monero.

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P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

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Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://monero.com/marketplace
https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/
https://acceptedhere.io/catalog/currency/xmr/

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Buy silver bullion with XMR (US only)
https://monerosilver.com/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

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>LocalMonero is now available on I2P
http://lm.i2p/nojs/


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Elude
>Infinity Project
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or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
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>What is I2P?

I2P is an anonymized P2P overlay network akin to the Tor network but with several key advantages over it. I2P is now replacing Tor as the go-to darknet and will play a pivotal role in growing the Monerocentric economy.


>Why should I care? Why should I run a node?

Increasing shadow economy adoption and the proliferation of an XMR-only standard are what guarantee that XMR will have a floor and won't also crash to zero when the Crypto Casino finally implodes. XMR's long-term outlook is therefore *strongly* correlated with the darknet, you may have already noticed how the number of TXs begins to drop whenever the glowies attack & cripple the Tor network, which underscores just how critical it is that the darknet wins this war against the State. Make no mistake: if the darknet is allowed to die XMR will take a devastating hit as well.

So by running an I2P node you are helping to make the network Monero thrives in that much more robust while also enraging glowies in the process. Win-win!


>OK, but how difficult is it? Do I have to store GBs worth of data like when running an XMR node?

It is literally as easy as installing an Android app and no, there are no storage requirements, the node only consumes some bandwidth.


>Cool, I'm sold. What do?

If you have no interest in browsing the darknet yourself then the simplest solution is to install & run the I2Pd Android app on any compatible (Android 4.1+) device, ideally a TV box since they don't require recharging and are permanently online. But any old phone or tablet is fine too. Make sure you activate "start on boot" in the settings.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd-android/releases/latest


Otherwise just install the appropriate desktop client and leave it running.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/releases/latest


The console is accessed via http://127.0.0.1:7070/ or the menu in Android.

>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total Bitcoin = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings Bitcoin would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per Bitcoin and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL.

And that’s assuming energy costs do not increase at all over the next 120 years, which they will.

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

I don't support Monero because I am not a racist.

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>>53925869
gupax pros and cons?

>>53925833
Groovy
https://voca.ro/1kdYhUb8onxb

>>53925833
Monerbros, thoughts on stealthex .io? Ive used it a couple times for btc>xmr but have always seen tradeogre localmonero etc, anyone have some input on the pros and cons? Stealthex is non kyc no registration, seems pretty fool proof imo

every time I see a crypto channel with a pajeet on the thumbnail I feel major fud
why is that?

>>53927083
I like em. Did have a swap stall out. E-mailed em, they fixed me up.

I know this is a horrible way to start off the thread, but serious how come nobody is talking about Zcash's RTTs?
>https://jeffq.com/blog/on-the-linkability-of-zcash-transactions/
>https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.01210.pdf

Every time I bring it up, literally nobody replies or ignores it, so I guess here's a quick rundown. Zcash has shielded pools, however they are not default, nor are they supported by merchants/wallets. This has caused significant round-trip-transaction (RTT) behaviour, whereas the shielded pool is only used as a sort of mixer, and the founds go on a round trip to the shielded pool and straight back home. However, most aren't aware that the inputs and outputs are clearly visible. So imagine if 0.12412349 ZEC + fees enters the shielded pool and 0.12412349 ZEC + fees leaves the pool 5 minutes thereafter. You the paper above has connected these RTTs. That is the essence of tracing RTTs in ZEC, simple algebra can crack the moonmath so to speak.

Now, the ECC has responded by deflecting the points, claiming that "you are just stupid", and FUDing Monero:
>https://electriccoin.co/blog/new-research-on-shielded-ecosystem/
Also, the OG paper above doesn't delve into this one, but as long as people don't spend within the shielded pool, ZEC will still be probabilistically traceable. In essence just look at the patterns and connect the dots. If 5*A+B ZEC was shielded and A ZEC was unshielded 5 times to the same/similar addresses with similar transactions (date and time of spend, IP address if not behind Tor, other transaction details) an attacker can still establish a link between the pre-shield address and the post-shield spend, and could predict the balance as well.

Yet nobody seems concerned or even tries to address this issue. I do not expect the ZEC spammer faggot from the last thread to know better, but not even Monero people have engaged with the. Is it just that nobody's aware of it's some sort of psyop?

Picrel is RTT tracing in action

>>53927175
I havent had any issues so far, but good to know they have an active service support

>>53927238
>how come nobody is talking about Zcash
Because this is a monero thread? Inertesting none the less, but no one who actually needs anonymity is using that shit

What's the closest equivalent to having a feather wallet but for bitcoin?
I have some fresh crypto adopters that's refuse to convert bitcoin to monero, my guess it's having an Electrum, or maybe any type of PayNym supported wallet for recieving the bitcoin? like Samourai?
Any recommendations?

Are you guys buying to use or hoarding XMR? I hold 0 but use it a lot to buy... goods and services

>>53927914
Probably electrum
>>53928017
Keep a few on hand for purchases but i feel no need to hoard

>>53927157
You are a racist

>>53928017
Hoarding so that I have money in crypto already for when we go on another bull run. Also why I don't care much about price.
Yes yes I know:
>Swingies get the rope
But I'll give back by providing liquidity on localmonero after I swing my way to a make it stack

>>53925941
sir please, Monero is Asian, do you hate all asians?

>>53927238
I mean a lot of us have known for a while that zcash is broken hackjob tech and that the dev team and ECC do not give a shit.

https://blockchair.com/zcash/charts/blockchain-size

At this point it's like mentioning that Haiti is a mess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP-mwk00MgM

>>53928017
coincards will be my undoing if I don't relax.

Mostly save but regularly spend.

Anything that isn't PoW is a scam.
Anything that isn't ASIC resistant is a scam.

>Trusted technology, growing adoption

Zcash was launched by one of the most respected technical teams in the world.

Zcash is the 'https of blockchains,' protecting your freedom to save and spend as you like.

Zcash was the first project to implement zk-SNARKs, a novel form of zero-knowledge cryptography that gives its users the strongest privacy available in any digital currency.

Multiple, independent organizations are funded to innovate on Zcash.

Zcash is already available on top exchanges, digital wallets and a growing number of applications.

This is what Monerochuds don't want you to know.

Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.

>>53928813

They're actively working on a fix, dimwit, its just going to take a while to implement properly.

>>53929892
>Zcash is already available on top exchanges, digital wallets and a growing number of applications.
monero WAS, until they realised how private it actually was.

>>53928017
Hoard, Hoard, and Hoard some moar...
Hisssssssss~

>>53929927
Cool, still not buying

>>53929927
Why does government like Zcash if it has the strongest privacy?

>>53927914
Check out stack wallet. They are multi coin wallet with bitcoin and monero support. They have recently implemented Paynyms and they have built-in exchange for moving btc -> xmr.

Normie adoption is inevitable, and those who cater to normie-tech will be fruitfully rewarded.

1. How can the process of anonymously obtaining XMR be streamlined to normies? For things to run smoothly, it needs to be almost impossible for an average tech illiterate to mess up. It needs to be as simple as
>open website/app
>purchase xmr with fiat

2. How can normies safely and easily access Tor/I2P services? And once you start throwing PGP into the mix, it will throw them off a lot. Not to forget, a lot of people don't even own computers anymore, they do everything from their phones. Could this be a potential pitfall for XMR and other privacy coins?

So, in short, the process of obtaining and using XMR safely and anonymously needs to be simplified to the bone for normie adoption. Does anyone have any ideas as to how it could be done without centralisation?

>>53930565
Because it dosent. The CEO (kek) would sucks the ball skin off of regulators to appease them

>>53931002
Nobody will let you buy XMR with dollars in the US because Monero's privacy makes it impossible to follow KYC/AML laws. Take it up with the government.

>>53931002
>So, in short, the process of obtaining and using XMR safely and anonymously needs to be simplified to the bone for normie adoption. Does anyone have any ideas as to how it could be done without centralisation?

Very obviously, centralization is a dead end and cannot even be entertained. Slow adoption is glacial and inevitable.

If you want to speed things up, train agents and put them in the communities. These people would serve as general tech liasons and could distribute XMR directly in person using phone apps like cake wallet while receiving payment in fiat/gift cards, etc.

Getting normies to use Tor correctly will take more time. We need to sell USBs with tails and properly configured shit as well as a simple readme and the darknet bible and have those tech liasons sell those as well for $15 or whatever.

>>53931082
>darknet bible
you need to make it a catchy video between 3 and 15 minutes long. (this is asking a lot of normies)

>train agents and put them in communities
we are the agents in the communities

>>53931254
okay, so put the DNM bible on there, a quick readme in plain text, the monero GUI, and a 3 minute long video explaining like... "Hey this might not be super simple stuff, but fuck the government lol, here's the basics, you can read more in the documents and we STRONGLY encourage you to read these documents."

And yes, I am aware we are the agents. Hi FBI im not like, doin a thing im just, spitballin dont steal my 10k wowneros with a wrench pls.

>>53931069
The trick will be distributing pamphlets with decentralized exchanges and affiliate marketing

>>53931002
>How can the process of anonymously obtaining XMR be streamlined to normies?
Localmonero.co has an android app now. Quite easy to use. The peer to peer monero buying is right in your phone. They deserve more credit and visibility.

- In a few decades when the reward gets too small, the transaction fee will become the main compensation for [mining] nodes. I’m sure that in 20 years there will either be very large transaction volume or no volume.

– Satoshi Nakamoto

I find it interesting how satoshi was aware bitcoinmaxis or basically the cult around him that could blindly trust him as a form of authority were retarded, with this message satoshi knew we either replace the banking system in 20 years or we don't, so that leaves us with the current question, is bitcoin a success, 250k transactions per day looks like a lot but i am sure the goal for satoshi was the entire bsnking system and basically bitcoin is a middle success but not a complete success, at the same time paving the way for CBDCs to use the same criptography against us.

>>53932006
250k transactions is not even one minute of peak Visa activity. They can do about 5kTPS.

>>53925925
Halving will not have a significant effect on the price in the future. The price is driven primarily by speculation.

>>53927238
>but serious how come nobody is talking about Zcash's RTTs?
We do talk about it from time to time, but really nobody gives a fuck about ZCash. It's a failed project. Zooko only pays for advertisements when he isn't able to keep dumping and needs buy pressure. I've seen your picture in the general a few times now.

tl;dr nobody respects ZCash and thus nobody gives a shit.

>>53928017
I buy more than I spend since I know people keep buying it

>>53928017
>I hold 0 but use it a lot to buy... goods and services
:^)

>>53929927
Nice try but the original zcash shills are dead. Besides, they were self aware enough to not use that cringe image.

>>53931082
>Getting normies to use Tor correctly will take more time
what exactly is the hurdle? it's built in to the browser.

>>53931254
>you need to make it a catchy video between 3 and 15 minutes long. (this is asking a lot of normies)
I'd start with pro privacy "propaganda" that makes it seems cool. Zoomers fucking love that shit and will eat it up.

>>53932006
satoshi could not have predicted the thousands of clones and shitcoins that make his thing irrelevant

>>53932247
There aren't many hurdles to using Tor itself, they just don't know why to do it or why it matters. Our general population is tech illiterate and barely thinks before putting full creds on the internet, let alone thinking about how one action on an identity may correlate you to another identity or why you shouldn't expose everything about your life online.

If Linux had a larger market share instead of windows we would have a much easier time. If privacy wasn't attacked in the public subconscious we'd have a much easier time. Tor could be a bulletproof solution and would still go unused. We must defeat the mental conditioning first.

My bank just froze my card for trying to buy a plane ticket to Mexico. I'm now going to have to spend an hour on hold so I can talk to bank jannies to get my money unfrozen and actually buy my plane ticket.

>>53932332
why are you trying to leave the country? why do you need to go outside the united states? that is inherently sus

>>53932512
The bank does this kind of shit all the time, it's very snoopy over what I purchase. Didn't realize buying United tickets was on their radar though.

bros when are we going to win?

>>53931082
I'm a complete noob, with deep hatred for government and taxes. I want to setup a completely clean base to test Monero and private browsing. Ideally to get a clean laptop, get it on Tails, Feather wallet and read a darker bible while sipping a coffee. Is there a simple guide to follow? What should be the first step?

>>53933256
clean laptop is overkill. Tails runs stores all memory in RAM so it is wiped after every reboot. Learn PGP in Kleopatra. (might even make a quick guide if you need) This can be done on any OS, and is fairly intuitive once you digest some of the jargon. And yes, read darknet bible. Will post the onion if you need.

>>53933382
For Kleopatra, I found this guide if that makes sense: https://kevinsguides.com/guides/security/software/pgp-encryption

But darkness bible onion would be appreciated.
Basically I did all the mistakes I would avoid today - sharing personal life on socials etc. While I'm toning that down, I wanna look as a normal citizen on the outside, and have a private parallel "identity" to that. Just doing my thing, nothing illegal. E.g. having a private way to pass inheritance to my kids should I have them one day. Not sure if that makes sense, I'm still discovering this stuff.

>>53933478
can't post it here because spam detection but here: pastebin/m00AZzj6 (picrel)
has onion to dnm bible and some reputable dnm link directories. Of course, buying things off these markets would be illegal, and I do not participate in such activities, nor condone them.

>>53931069
Kraken still exists

>>53933622
Thank you fren

Reminder that Zcash will go parabolic next cycle.

>>53934483
Suck2blow kicking in any time now

>knock knock*
>anon we need you to come with us...
>locks door to interrogation room
>we believe a monero FUD poster that has been giving you (you)s recently is responsible for the missing case of monerochan, we dont know where she is for sure but we do believe we have strong leads on where her kidnapper has taken her
>drops dossier on table*
>our intel points us to a member of XRP-qaeda
>an infamous global terrorist organization of schizos
>takes shades off, looks into viewing window*
>this member of XRP-qaeda was our likely person of interest, but the trail goes further

>places picture on desk and slides to anon*
>what you see here is a top member of the intelligence agency "LINKssad", this is as close as we could get to him with our spy cameras, it was captured sometime around noon, and we believe he was going to mcdonalds to get a cheeseburger lunch like every day
>LINKssad is a financing and strategy organization that controls XRP-qaeda in our opinion, they most likely coordinated this kidnapping of monerochan and used XRP-qaeda to do this operation
>now, we asked ourselves why would they want monerochan and what they would do with monerochan, LINKssad has been known in our intel to be losing funding to mcdonalds and their agents have been becoming poorer and poorer over time to fund the mcdonalds black budget, they are desperate for funding and money
>sits down*

>>53934741

Its funny until it actually happens.

>we took into consideration their work for the ethereum foundation, a front for global human trafficking, they know no bounds and child abuse means nothing to them, their pornography rings are to very dangerous individuals with deep pockets, LINKssad most likely is providing services for them
>drops picture on table*
>take a look at this picture, this is a former member of the ethereum foundation, charles hoskinson
>we believe he is an undercover contractor for the ethereum foundation, a former employee
>now you ask, why did he leave? What contract work does he do?
>our intel on him picked up interesting information, he has a very strong interest in muscular homosexual african men, something the ethereum foundation does not care for
>we believe his ranch in colorado is a front for his activities
>most likely sirgay nazararov has sold monerochan to this man, charles hoskinson we assume is running a daycare front where underaged girls are groomed on his ranch to be sold to the ethereum foundation
>monerochan is threatened into working for him and his trafficking ring
>monerochan is likely safe from charles himself, charles is too interested in muscular african males to bother with women
>we ask of you that you infiltrate this ranch and secure monerochan, we will provide the exfil, just get her and yourself to the safehouse
>we will provide training and supplies
>but be careful anon, this man is guarded by dangerous cults of redditors, any wrong slip, any way they discover you poisoning his drinks, or trying to take him out and they will come after you with a vengeance
>good luck anon, and get monerochan back to us safely

>>53934853
>Its funny until it actually happens.

On the basis of what, literally zero darknet adoption? My sides.

>https://www.monerochan.art/

>>53935601

>>53935601
how can I submit my art to get monero?

It's up.

>>53935312

Darknet is a tiny market in comparison to Wall Street

>>53936815
>>53925893
Literally already addressed by the OP, not even a post, THE OP.

My Arabic brothers wake up, Monero is officially halal!

>>53937589

Based.

>>53935601
Directly into the "top-tier monerochans" folder.

>asus g14 2022
>ryzen 9 6900hs
>rx6700s
how much can i make minig?
i know literally nothing about crypto.

>>53938747
5-6 kilohash per second, maybe like a dime a day.

>>53938747
>>53938853
also laptop mining is a silly, silly idea given the temps that it generates.

>>53938853
whats the point of mining then?

>>53931263
>he only has 10k wow

>>53938874
>whats the point of mining then?

Supporting a righteous cause. Most miners these days mine at an acceptable loss out of sheer devotion to Monero-chan and becauset it makes glowies seethe.

>>53938874
mining keeps me warm

>>53938874
A purpose-built, stripped down rig running on cheap electricity is far more efficient. Also, mining is securing your money, not the main means by which you should be earning it.

>>53938874
I've heard that mining is one of the most efficient ways to monetize your "access" to a device with a cpu and a bit of ram. This "access" may or may not be unauthorized.

Zcash wins.

>>53940551

At sucking hard, yeah.

I know that you monerochuds love to larp as edgy, cyberpunk contrarians but let's be honest for moment. What are your price predictions for 24/25?

>inb4 swingies get the rope

>>53941740
>What are your price predictions for 24/25?
1000 USD scam coins

>>53932006
Going from that quote I don't believe satoshi intended to cap the transactions per block the way it currently is

Samantha woke up on the wrong side of the bed, feeling like the universe was out to get her. She couldn't find her car keys, and when she finally did, she got stuck in traffic with a bunch of wankers who had no idea how to drive. She made it to the restaurant to meet her best friend, but realized she left her phone on the table like a dolt. As she was walking home, feeling like a hot mess, she stumbled upon a poster for some new crypto token called Red Rabbit. 'Why not?' she thought, 'I've already had a day from hell.'She invested a few bucks and forgot about it, assuming it was just another internet scam. But a few days later, she got an email saying that her Red Rabbit investment had exploded in value. 'Holy cow, I'm rich!' she exclaimed, feeling like she had just won the lottery. Samantha couldn't believe that her bad luck had finally turned around. She laughed at the universe's futile attempts to bring her down. 'Ha! Nice try, you sneaky devil,' she chuckled, feeling like a badass.She realized that sometimes, life can be a real pain in the arse, but taking a chance can pay off big time. 'Who knows what kind of other ridiculous opportunities are out there,' she mused, feeling like the world was her oyster.Samantha happily went on to spend her newfound riches on frivolous stuff like unicorn slippers and a pink flamingo pool float. She may have had a rough day, but she came out on top, and that's all that really matters, isn't it?

>>53941740
Speaking completely as an individual who is interested for the tech as a cyberpunk contrarian who will keep using XMR even if it goes to 0.001 USD as long as nothing better exists --

I think the project would be deemed successful if the price remains above $80 consistently. It would be considered extremely successful if it stays in this 100-250 range into that time period.

It would be considered all engines go green light smoke em if you got em if it hit $500 in that time period.

Anything above that is a symptom of outsiders fuckin around with our anarchycoin imo. BTC is pretty inflated by stables printed out of thin air, I think this is universally agreed upon. Monero is similarly inflated as a result, though I believe less so because BTC is broadly seen as safer and I think it sucks up a lot of that money.

I think XMR will not moon unless BTC goes away for some reason. $500 would make me happy, im sure lots of people expect more than that, but the tech is literally the interesting part and XMR will not be "mass marketed" unless it is broken and surveilled, so kind of if the price explodes that probably not like super great.

Anyway, enjoy swingin, its a good swingin coin.

>>53941740
>da world me an my niggas was raised in is gone

Need more some more Monerochans. Which monerochan.art commission would be best to fund? I have 0.25 xmr I wouldn't mind donating.

>>53942557
Draw hands

Bob is a man who still lives in his mom's basement. Bob spends his days playing video games, watching anime, and eating Cheetos. He has no job, no girlfriend, and no life. One day, while taking out the trash, Bob notices a stray cat meowing at him. He tries to shoo it away, but the cat keeps following him, leading him to a dirty alleyway. Bob reluctantly follows the cat, thinking it's probably leading him to some sort of crack den.But instead, the cat leads Bob to a filthy bulletin board covered in advertisements. One in particular catches Bob's eye: Red Rabbit token. 'What the hell is this?' he mutters, reading the ad. Bob decides to take a chance and invests all of his mom's money in Red Rabbit. He doesn't know anything about crypto, but he figures it's better than sitting on his arse all day. To his surprise, Red Rabbit takes off like a rocket, making Bob filthy rich. Bob can't believe his luck. He goes out and buys a flashy car, a mansion, and a whole lot of hookers and blow. He's living the life of a rock star, and he loves it. But Bob soon realizes that money can't buy happiness. He misses playing video games in his mom's basement and eating Cheetos. He's lonely and bored, despite his riches. In the end, Bob realizes that he was happier before Red Rabbit came into his life. He sells all his belongings and goes back to his mom's basement, where he resumes his life of video games and Cheetos. But now, he's got a little extra cash to spend on his guilty pleasures. Lesson learned: sometimes, the most unexpected things can change your life. But in the end, it's the simple things that make you happy. And also, don't follow stray cats into alleys. You never know what kind of mess you'll get yourself into.

https://livefree.academy/op/cbdcoptoutchallenge/
>CBDC opt out challenge
Did anybody see these? It's finished and I can't find a stream without signing up anywhere.
There were a few speakers talking about Monero in there. Stuff like how to set up a monero wallet and how to buy and sell goods.
I can imagine most of it but just wondered if you guys saw any of it

How do I get my husband to stop going ‘Rabbit Chad Mode’ during sex? TLDR; My husband says ‘Rabbit Chad Mode activated’ when we start to have sex, growls and acts like a caveman, and then says ‘Rabbit Chad Mode off’ when we stop, and then pretends not to remember afterward. I really love my husband and he’s always been great in bed. But recently he’s been acting really weird. So, a couple of days ago, my son went on a rampage through our house and said he was in ‘Rabbit Chad Mode’. We didn’t really know what to do with him, so we sent him to live with my parents so he can go to a special needs school. My husband a really great relationship with our son and loved him more than anything. Naturally, he was upset when he had to leave. He’s an incredibly tough man, but this was the first time I’ve ever seen him cry. I think since then, he’s been a little emotionally unwell. I’ve heard him muttering, 'Red Rabbit token' repeatedly when he didn’t notice me, staring blankly into his food, and just going alone by himself to do who knows what. I feel awful for him, but we both agreed that this was for the best. Last night, the day after our son went away, we decided to have sex to relieve our stress. However, my husband said ‘Rabbit Chad Mode activated’, starting growling, and went wild having sex with me. Admittedly, it was some of the best and most experimental sex I’ve ever had, but I’m worried that something might be going on with my husband. Any advice?

>>53941740
>monerochuds love to larp as edgy, cyberpunk contrarians
I am LITERALLY a cyberpunk hacker with the personality of patrick bateman & ryan gosling from Drive - 2011 and I use Monero to FUCK the government, not to make money

>>53941740

Unknown amount.

>>53941740
one trillion dollars per XMR minimum

>>53925833
any amerisharts withdrawn from kucoin recently without kyc? keep feeling like the next trade I make there they'll lock me out

>>53945063
>he uses deposit exchanges

Swap services, my boy.
http://trocadorfyhlu27aefre5u7zri66gudtzdyelymftvr4yjwcxhfaqsid.onion/

Pro tip: If you're going BTC -> XMR, send the BTC over lightning. Really milk that 2nd layer for every cent.

>>53941740
In terms of price, it is determined by the laws of supply and demand. For its supply, Monero will have low inflation along with Bitcoin. With the next BTC halvening in ~April 2024, Bitcoin's yearly inflation will drop to 0.65% and Monero will have 0.86%. Nothing too important, but this allows Monero to gain on Bitcoin without much resistance due to inflation.

Now on the demand side of things, I expect the trend of more and more markets shifting towards Monero to continue, especially on the darknets. With Alphabay gone and Dread reorganizing we'll see a new wave of markets (we already do, they just lack the trust), most with higher OPSEC in mind, this will translate to near complete Monero dominance. Maxis currently cope by saying that you can still use Bitcoin, but that won't be the case for long.

This alone could trigger a 2x price increase for your timeframe imo. Currently Monero still doesn't have 90-100% real volume dominance, but a complete transition would not only mean that the demand for Monero grows, but also that Monero's demand would be tied to DNM growth. picrel attached about that. Thought the values are probably off due to Monero getting used, in total DNMs could have $2bn of volume a year with that number being around only $800m in 2018, that is a ~58% increase by year.

Now ignoring DNMs, Monero has gained in usage across every site that lists it. CoinCards being a famous example of that. From an investor's perspective, given how Monero increased 14x bottom to top last cycle, with a cup and handle formation right now, I don't think it's hard to imagine $1400 for 1 XMR, but that is assuming same conditions as last bullrun, so other 4 digit values could happen with Monero gaining more adoption than usual, like with DNMs, so even $2400 could happen by 2025.

>>53925833
I hace some BTC but I'm not sure when to dump it into XMR desu

>>53945474
will we see a BTC bull run before the XMR one?

>>53942964
ryan gosling from Drive is literally me, he can't also be literally you.

>>53945379

Don't forget that the transatlantic cocaine industry is now also adopting Monero.

>>53945601
If you're asking because you want to squeeze profits rather than asking because you want private money, don't buy monero.

>>53945601
>>53945474
We've already seen a bull run in the monero-bitcoin ratio for the past year.

>>53945090
>Pro tip: If you're going BTC -> XMR, send the BTC over lightning. Really milk that 2nd layer for every cent.

Based custodial wallet service abuser

I was having a talk with ChatGPT yesterday and asked what it believes it would be the best currency to use in an AI economy. It mentioned IOTA probably because of all the information out there explaining how IOTA could be used for micro-transactions between machines. I asked if the transactions in that network would be private or if they could be surveilled, and it said there were no privacy guarantees.
Then I asked it to consider again which currency it would use for an AI-economy, considering that the entities using it would certainly like their transactions to be private and it said that Monero was the best option.

AI does little more than gather and process huge amounts of information which it uses as the basis for its opinions. So in some sense I'd say that it's a good thing that there are /XMR/ Monero Generals up all the time, and that monerofags keep posting here, on Reddit and elsewhere. The more information about Monero out there, the more AIs like ChatGPT will mention it.

>>53931002
>>53931082
Centralization is a dead-end and is also inevitable. The same can be said about custodial wallets.
I know it's a hard pill to swallow but most people actively and voluntarily do not want to have responsibility. You have to be honest and write off a huge part of normies who will always, in every single case, prefer to use a custodial wallet (if not outright CBDC) and a centralized service provider.
So yes, normie adoption is inevitable and you absolutely should create the biggest amount of educational resources you can, available in as many languages as possible, so those who want to learn and become sovereign have ways to do it. But at the same time you have to consider that there will be a huge demand for "easy" access to the network, and if you're capable you might want to become one of the intermediaries who provide this kind of service while also trying to educate the user about the trade-offs of using a centralized service. More or less the way MoneroWorld does with its remote nodes.

Most people are technologically illiterate. Including zoomers. You would think that this new generation raised with technology would be smart but they have been raised using apps on their iPhones. There's a good amount of people in their 20s that have trouble understanding filesystems.
If you try to teach a normie how to use Tails he/she will quickly become overwhelmed and go back to the "convenient" option meaning either the custodial service or CBDC.
It's already like that. This already happens everyday.
You'd need to create different guides for different people and do some kind of triage for each new user. Do you just want to see how this thing works? Follow this guide that will help you install a wallet on your Windows PC. Do you already own some crypto and are interested in getting deeper into privacy? Follow this guide for using monero along with Tails. Etc.

>>53947204
>Centralization is a dead-end and is also inevitable.
I guess I should clarify that I'm not talking about centralization in terms of the network itself (nodes, miners, developers) but in terms of services that normies will use to access and operate in the network.

I want to know how much capital do i need to have so i can stake that and have a passive income of 1000$ per month, i was thinking on something like MakerDAO which looks like the only legit defi protocol that is decentralized even thought they use the glowie usdt from circle or i was thinking about cardano because when you stake your coins it still belongs to you, however i kinda don't trust POS, proof of stake literally feels like not only am i compromising my principles for making money but also POS doesn't look like it could work long term, there is something in me that says POS systems are as reliable as celsius or binance which always sounds like its in trouble and eventually what happened to FTX will happen to them as well, Charles hodkinson sounds smart but he is so fucking afraid of the SEC clasifying proof of stake coins securitys, if cardano was as decentralized as he said it is then he shouldn't give a fuck about what the goverment says to him, guys help me with the math and picking the right horse, etherium is not an option for me because i think the chain is too fucking slow, it turned to shit the moment they decided to go POS and i am sure they can't reliably fix the fees problem.

what the fuck is that smell it smells like curry and human refuse

>>53934483
Just like it was supposed to go parabolic next cycle? Hahahahaha

>>53947639
Every single PoS coin violates securities laws, and almost every single one of them have their nodes running on Amazon Web Services which means their entire security model is playing "mother may I" with a US-regulated corporation. None of this shit is decentralized. Ethereum being slow and expensive is actually a good thing because they try to limit throughput so that it's (barely) possible to actually run a node with consumer-grade hardware and bandwidth, and even then it still has a worrying number of AWS-ran nodes. But even then you have to deal with the major staking entities being exchanges because they are naturally going to have a massive percent of the supply.

If you want passive income that isn't going to get you wrecked, you are infinitely better buying bluechip dividend stocks like McDonalds. They've paid dividends for something like 50 years straight without hiccups.

Use crypto to make a sizeable chunk of cash, but if you're using it for longterm cashflow you are going to get absolutely fucking wrecked.

guys, I need to know what’s the fastest and easiest way for someone who’s a normie and technologically illiterate to send me btc so I can convert it to xmr. Is cakewallet compatible with cashapp? I read that you can buy and send btc with it

>>53941740
Kill yourself. You need to die.

>>53947639
Why the fuck are you asking this here? Nobody here believes in proof of stake. Enjoy losing your money you gambling addict retard, the best place to "stake" your money to earn 1000 a month is dividend stocks.

>>53947882
>OrganicPost™

>>53947939
I need help, is it bad I’m asking a question here? I have cake after all

>>53931622
Localmonero.co is scam, I am from Russia and site owned blocked it for Russian ip.
Ok, I use VPN, enter the site and ... can not select Russia from the list. No suck country.

Fuck services that follow govenment restrictions.

>>53947882
>>53948024
Normies can easily purchase and send BTC on cashapp. Cakewallet also allows purchases of Bitcoin.

>>53947639
>want to know how much capital do i need to have so i can stake that and have a passive income of 1000$

Get 300k and buy 1 month US t-bills

>>53948289
>Normies can easily purchase and send BTC on cashapp. Cakewallet also allows purchases of Bitcoin.
So it shouldn’t be an issue if they buy and send it to me from cashapp then, right?

>>53948444
Yes, as long as they're sending it to a bitcoin wallet.
You can also create a transaction on a swap service that will take in their btc and pay you out xmr to your monero wallet, then send them the swap address if you don't want to do that step by yourself.

>>53947855
Well thanks for the comment i kinda needed that and also for the info, i need to see what shitcoins rely more on amazon web servers and see if i could short them in the future, i think i wanted to have the cake and eat it too but yeah it may be smarter to just eventually put it into stocks.

>>53947903
Well people here are smart at least smarter than the typical shiba moonboy but yeah you are right, thoughts on wrapped dividends of real stocks on the stellar network or is that degenerate gambling as well.

Lets say the worst to worst happens and all the proof of stake coins are deemed securitys in the end if the coin is decentralized then the goverment can't touch it and only centralized exchanges are fucked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ofpaF5pkE8

>>53935601

>>53944596
what's our dear leader up to now?

>>53949432

Chillin with the boyz.

>>53948682
>thoughts on wrapped dividends of real stocks on the stellar network
Man what the FUCK is wrong with you.

where are the best places that take xmr. cake pay included.

>>53950456
Hooters

....aaaaand the winner is...

>>53951344
Zcash literally loses 0.1% market cap every time you post, keep at it

New to monero here. How do I run my own node? Do I just sync up the GUI wallet and let it run on desktop, or do I have to do some extra shit in the settings?

We need to build monerochan agi not an ai but agi, maybe agi is imposible but we can get something similar, i need someone that knows about machine learning

I wonder where to find monerochan art

>>53951808
monerochan.art for art fund deliveries
monerochan.io and monero.house for community uploads
And there's also a mega with nearly everything posted in here.

>>53951444
Checked, kek'd, Zbaggies rekt

>open cakewallet after an eternity
>ATTEMPTING SYNC
stuck there since a while now. what do?

>>53952006
set up and connect to your own node. i was blown away how much faster it syncs on my node compared to cakes

>>53952232
did that for a while. cant justify the running costs considering how rarely I open my wallet

>>53952300
>running costs
are you a nigger, you can literally run a monero node on a shitboard like odroid hc1 running 32-bit dietpi software and using a dust spinner 256GB HDD. How is this an expensive setup?

>>53952807
>running costs
>lists one time costs
I was talking about energy prices

>>53953027
current energy prices raping my ass

>>53953027
>>53953039
bro if energy/internet prices are too much to bear for you, you can literally run a monero node on your laptop and sync the blockchain daily/weekly on a starbucks wifi.

Going further, you can literally run a monero node on your android phone inside termux, and connect to that on your mobile wallet. And again leech on the starbucks electricity wifi.

https://github.com/CryptoGrampy/android-termux-monero-node

>>53953027
even running on fairly nice hardware a node uses very little energy. Your biggest concerns will be
>bandwidth usage
even that is not much/can be configured
>making sure the blockchain is synced to an SSD over a wired connection
>making sure it and the machine it's running on are securely configured.
(so no shitware and I highly recommend against Windows)

>>53953039
I think you might confusing mining with running a node.

>>53951444
The best part isn't that he got the trips, but that he undershot it even.

Hi goys, I have been disconnected from crypto in general but I think is about time I get back into crypto and begin building some monero holdings (after buying a shit ton of gold/silver/platinum).

How is the P2P monero exchanges looking like nowadays? Is there any way to purchase monero without paying 10-20% fee from middlemen?

>>53954970
The middleman's fee still will really depends on what channel will you use. Crypto-to-crypto doesn't have large fees (few percent from my experience), but physical and/or limited sellers will still have higher fees. Try looking at the prices at trocador.app and localmonero.co too, if you want more look over at kycnot.me and the OP.

There are also some P2P DEXes in development, but none are complete as of today. Haveno is live on the testnet tho. Atomic swaps with BTC do work, and more chains are in development. But the spread is large and the liquidity is low, if you want to check those out see https://sethforprivacy.com/guides/bitcoin-monero-atomic-swaps/ where Seth explains the process quite well.

>>53952003
>>53954211
Give them time guys, zooko has been dumping on them hard recently. You've gotta feel a little bad for the midwits who actually fell for the zcash memes.

>>53955063
Thanks for this info, I'll take a look. I want to build a rainy day fund in Monero. Just in case I'd ever need it. One thing I might try is build a LTC fund from normies and slowly convert it into XMR through atomic swaps (if that is even possible). I'd use bitcoin but if I remember correctly (unless things have drastically changed) a bitcoin transaction is like 20 dollars in fees and uber slow

>>53953964
Nah. Even 5 bucks down the shitter for a node I use once every few months are 5 bucks down the shitter I dont have for other shit
>>53953110
guess ill do that thanks anon

So long as monero-wallet-rpc is NOT run with restricted-rpc and can spend from a wallet, monerod's RPC can remain restricted and this will not effect any programs automating payments, correct?

>>53956189
This is an "I know the answer but I need to hear it from someone else so I can stop feeling like I'm doing it wrong" situation.

>>53945379
Great analysis anon, thank you

>>53956407
got dame, monero-chan is literally BUILT for medbvlls

Bruh just let me accumulate for like 1 more year

>>53945859
that's easily 50bln€ revenues by the 'ndrangheta, which means it's gonna rise high

Mob reporter here, cartels are adopting pgp encryption not based on phone apps, and exclusively using monero according to police reports on the topic, drug related arrests have dropped 85 percent

Let me tell you about it

>>53958286

>>53925925
this tired retarded fud still making the rounds?

>>53960085
>this tired retarded fud still making the rounds?

>>53941740
moon faggots out

>>53958445
do eet
post on i2p if you fear dox

>>53960469

This.

Dread is back, even as a non buyer I can see the value in having a space for the promotion of safe drug usage and reputable sellers. One can only hope that the darknet scene will repair the fractures that occurred during dread's absence.

Has anyone here used localmonero?
I want to know what is it like, and if it's a trustable way to buy xmr. I'm not very technologically savvy, and I don't want to get scammed
Do you meet up in a cafe and check the transfer with your phone? My phone doesn't work very well either. Would I be fine just paying the guy and assuming he will transfer the funds to my wallet? I'd bring my wallet written down in a piece of paper.
Sorry for dumbposting, I'm struggling with grown up things

>>53963061
For in-person buying I'd create a new monero wallet on some app like Cake or whatever and ask for the person to send it there, live. You can transfer the monero to your own personal wallet later.

>>53963168
Are there risks involved in sharing your wallet? I've shared it here in this general before lol

>>53963544
Only if you use the same wallet for every purchase. If you use separate/single use wallets for transactions, you should be fine.

>>53963752
>If you use separate/single use wallets for transactions, you should be fine.
You mean "single use ADDRESSES" ?

You definitely don't need to create an altogether new wallet (with its seed words and shit) every time you make a new purchase/deal with a new merchant.

Just generate a new Monero address for every new customer/merchant/counterparty and you will be rock solid, senpai.

>>53960469
>>53961385
It's a youtube channel about gangster busts, kind of like darknetlive, the channel wouldn't exist if mobsters were smart and used monero

No shit the fbi distributed phones to thousands of gangsters and just because some advertising said it was encrypted they believed it

Some of the top dealers in the world couldn't tell you what pgp means

>>53941740
>24/25

I'm getting flashbacks

>>53963752
>>53963795
what is realistically the worst that could happen?
aren't you guys being a little too over-dramatic about sharing your wallet?

The biggest crabs produce the juiciest meat.

>>53961574
>Dread is back, even as a non buyer I can see the value in having a space for the promotion of safe drug usage and reputable sellers. One can only hope that the darknet scene will repair the fractures that occurred during dread's absence.

It also glaringly illustrates the problems with having the darknet community be so dependent on a particular service provider, we need more viable alternatives to fall back on.

Also, apparently Dread is still unavailable on I2P due to the ongoing attacks. Let this be a swift kick in the ass to any of you that STILL aren't running an I2P node. Get on that shit NOW!

>>53925908

>>53939933
literally what is the point in bcash when monero exists? like bitcoin is doing something entirely different than monero, that's fine. but bcash is just scaling onchain without privacy.

>>53965693
Nothing wrong with sharing your address as long as you know that any time you reveal a particular address to a third party more than once, it introduces the chance for associations between those parties and inferences about you to be made, which could be exploited by malevolent actors to harm you. It's your responsibility to conduct a risk-assessment regarding the exposure of the same address to different parties.

>>53966164
Bcashies are almost entirely remnants of the blocksize war that have to much emotional investment to look at alternatives. They're eventually going to die off, but that will take a long time and in the meantime they do have a sizeable community (particularly in NH where that pic was taken as you have shitloads of Bitcoin OGs here).

>>53966164
>literally what is the point in bcash when monero exists
You just hit the nail on the head of 99% of all the coins.
The answer is always either delusional bagholders or pump and dump scheme.

>>53966435
coin try to do all kinds of weird shit but both bcash and monero just wants to be cash. however you need privacy for that. bitcoin is trying to add privacy and scaling on higher layers, that's a different approach altogether.

>>53966541
>bitcoin is trying to add privacy and scaling on higher layers,

Futile if OPSEC-critical markets don't endorse these solutions, which they ain't.

>>53967042
nah that's a brainlet take. privacy is important even when it has limitations. also it takes time. like the tooling has to mature, the cryptography needs to be trialed. monero is from 2015 or something and it getting preferred by DNMs is a recent development. and could be very much temporary.

>>53966183
>as long as you know that any time you reveal a particular address to a third party more than once, it introduces the chance for associations between those parties and inferences about you to be made, which could be exploited by malevolent actors to harm you

Thank you, that's what I was getting at

where find TOR p2p seed nodes that are actually online

>>53967899
>nah that's a brainlet take. privacy is important even when it has limitations. also it takes time. like the tooling has to mature, the cryptography needs to be trialed.

Nigga, this is BTC we're talking about, it ain't running no moon math. The deal-breaker here is the transparent blockchain, as long as that is in the mix no privacy guru will EVER give BTC or any of its privacy "solutions" a second glance. And since the chances of Team BTC ditching "muh transparency" are virtually zero, BTC is pretty much history as far as OPSEC-critical markets are concerned. Its over, Johnny.

>monero is from 2015 or something and it getting preferred by DNMs is a recent development. and could be very much temporary.

Monero earned its primacy by virtue of its perfect track record in the face of sustained glowie probing and de-anonymization attacks, there's a reason its recognized as the world's most battle-tested privacy coin.

And if that ever changes, yeah, XMR will get shitcanned just like BTC was.

>>53968979
Monero's strength is the dev+community willingness to hardfork to adopt new tech. Unless that changes, or the entire chain gets pwned faster than a hardfork can adapt, Monero will never die.

MONEROMARKET.IO

>>53968979
>Nigga, this is BTC we're talking about, it ain't running no moon math.
it depends. the math involved in bitcoin privacy is like one step removed from bulletproofs and ring signatures.

>>53969274
*one giant leap removed

>>53968979
>And since the chances of Team BTC ditching "muh transparency" are virtually zero
again depends on where. bitcoin is working towards having perfect privacy on l2. also l1 will be reduced long term probably to around 300KiB that seems to be the small consensus target and most of the blockspace will be available on sidechains.

like i said totally different approach. i think we need to explore both. bcash is just the one thing i don't understand.

>>53969296
not giant. schnorr DLEQ zk proof is one small step removed in the same family.

>>53969317
btc is fully captured by regulators and will always be the IRS's bumboy

>>53969211
>first entry is a girl riding a dildo
ehhh

>>53969392
nah. it's still the highest level of decentralization of all existing crap out there. the problem we are facing is they are going after on-off ramps now for real. bitcoiners slept on the circular economy stuff too long.

>>53925833
So with xmr I should be able to hire teenage prostitutes on the down low right

>>53969890
>with xmr I should be able to hire teenage prostitutes
> owns xmr
> wants to hire roastie hookers
NGMI

>>53969811
>highest level of decentralization
One guy make the asics, companies mine it
nice try faggot. XMR is the most decentralized, if the only decentralized coin and its cpu mineable clones

>>53970013
but if they're teens odds are low that they've already turned into roasts

>>53946548
im asking because I want to maximize my monero. I want to squeeze the BTC/XMR chart.

>>53970013
I should be able to buy a fertile young virgin with monero

Dread is back online. This is bullish for XMR.

>>53969274
>the math involved in bitcoin privacy is like one step removed from bulletproofs and ring signatures.
No, no it is not.

>>53969811
>it's still the highest level of decentralization of all existing crap out there
Bitcoin's mining is centralized to a few hundred warehouses. You are pathetic.

The narrative of btc people coming to these threads is slowly changing.
First they would not even acknowledge monero tech.
Now we are at the copium "well atleast we still have X..".
Slowly but surely.

>>53969305
>again depends on where. bitcoin is working towards having perfect privacy on l2. also l1 will be reduced long term probably to around 300KiB that seems to be the small consensus target and most of the blockspace will be available on sidechains.

As long as the chain you'll eventually settle back down to is transparent, no dice. You'll always be at risk of receiving coins that are even more tainted than the ones you started with.

TL;DR: anything involving a transparent blockchain = automatic NOT INTERESTED.

>>53971079
>The narrative of btc people coming to these threads is slowly changing.
>First they would not even acknowledge monero tech.
>Now we are at the copium "well atleast we still have X..".
>Slowly but surely.

lol I still remember them *confidently* claiming that Monero-only markets would never be a thing because muh Bitcoin is irreplaceable hahahahaha

>>53925833
Where were you when XMRchan was being born? (or her parents were compiling seeds?)

>>53972047
This graphic is quite interesting. I always knew that there were some cryptonote forks, but not about this many. Also, the date for Bytecoin is off, it had a faked history, along with Buddhacoin and Paladincoin. Neither of those seems to have survived and have faked history (not the chain chain nor the code, so weirdly blockchain can retire). And paladincoins was hosted on a defunct v2 onion site.
It's weird how the early Bytecoin/CryptoNote devs operated this much on onion sites. For example, when Bytecoin first launched there were rumors about dark web usage already and that it was the preferred currency of the darkweb's secret corners (2014 keep in mind). Thought gotta give them credit, that turned to be quite prophetic nearly a decade later.

>>53970043
>One guy make the asics, companies mine it
dude 2012 wants it's memes back.

>>53971707
>As long as the chain you'll eventually settle back down to is transparent, no dice.
nobody cares.
>You'll always be at risk of receiving coins that are even more tainted than the ones you started with.
nobody cares.
the world doesn't care. so long it's permissionless just nobody cares.
>NOT INTERESTED
again, nobody cares.

>>53971025
the only significant difference is bulletproofs use a trapdoor function if my memory serves correctly.

>>53972047
>>53972302

Something I enjoy doing every once in a while is looking at all the old bytecoin/monero forks. It's almost like reading about some long-dead ancient kingdom that noone cares about anymore. Interesting, in a weird way,

>>53973448

yeah, nobody cares, that's exactly why a Monero-only standard is currently entrenching itself in the most relevant crypto-only commercial sector in the world lmao

Bottom line: Bitcoin has forever lost the confidence of tech-savvy OPSEC chads, now you get to enjoy watching nature take its course.

>>53974057
i mean nobody fucking uses monero man. literally. also those guys in those caps are years behind the curve.

>>53974090
Low info post

>>53974090
>i mean nobody fucking uses monero man

You can do better than that, come on, man


>literally. also those guys in those caps are years behind the curve.

lol so they were ahead of the curve when they adopted BTC in 2011 but now they're behind it because Monero is considered the superior option.

>>53974191
>You can do better than that, come on, man
it's the truth your addressable market is tiny. now obviously it's great that monero exists and hopefully darkfi will be a thing too, but it's just not what people want.

people just want to smack a plastic card to a pos terminal and go on their way. that's life. for most people life is not a wire episode at least.

>>53974191
>lol so they were ahead of the curve when they adopted BTC in 2011 but now they're behind it because Monero is considered the superior option.
they were behind the curve back then because they thought bitcoin was private. and they are behind the curve now because they think it's not. bitcoin has pretty good privacy now. however there is a very obvious tradeoff that still leaves room for monero. for now...

>>53971079
yes

>>53974349
>it's the truth your addressable market is tiny.

lol the shadow economy is valued in the TRILLIONS of dollars.


>people just want to smack a plastic card to a pos terminal and go on their way. that's life. for most people life is not a wire episode at least.

Yeah, we know, most people will NEVER use crypto just like most people will NEVER visit the darknet. But those that do will more often than not be engaging in commerce that requires transactional privacy & fungibility.

The future of e-cash in MAINSTREAM markets are CBDCs, not crypto. The future of e-cash in BLACK markets are purpose-built privacy coins, not transparent chains with retrofitted privacy solutions bolted on top.

>>53974369
>they were behind the curve back then because they thought bitcoin was private. and they are behind the curve now because they think it's not. bitcoin has pretty good privacy now. however there is a very obvious tradeoff that still leaves room for monero. for now...

Yes, tech-savvy criminals with their freedom on the line know less about cybersecurity than laser-eyed bagholders.

Probably bad opsec to allow clearnet p2p on a public TOR node, yeah?

>>53974369
>bitcoin has pretty good privacy now. however there is a very obvious tradeoff that
lol, lmao even
I want to hear how private you think bitcoin is and what it would need to do to become as private as monero.
Take your time, I'll wait. But if you don't then it'll be immediately obvious to everybody that you're a stupid shill faggot.

if i buy monero with an account tied to my irl identity am i really still anon? after that i just use subaddresses or something, right?

>>53976045
They're going to know you have Monero in a general sense, but yes if you post a subaddress for things like donations or receiving payments they aren't going to know that it's related to the other/main address they have on file so they wouldn't be able to link some seemingly unrelated donation (sub)address with your identity.

>>53974090
Maxi cope at its absolute pinacle kek

>>53976131
if one use a non-kyc transaction then it's probably just that one other person who knows the irl identity, right? that seems more secure than using a cryptoATM to buy bitcoin then exchanging bitcoin for monero somehow. is there an obvious way to get monero without tying one's irl identity to it at one point or another, such as prepaid cards? does mining achieve that? sorry to ask retarded questions.

>>53947855
>(barely) possible to actually run a node with consumer-grade hardware and bandwidth
that's a stupid ethereum design decision, and not as relevant anymore. most nodes are on aws due to laziness or reliability concerns

>>53976232
>is there an obvious way to get monero without tying one's irl identity to it at one point or another
No there isn't an OBVIOUS way unfortunately. But it's fairly straightforward to create an ad on a website like LocalMonero where you dictate the terms of the trade and protect your identity. It's not super easy, it's not a smooth sail, but it's a way nonetheless.

>>53971749
whats Mercury address? its not listed on dark dot fail

>>53973414
>dude 2012 wants it's memes back.
No response, typical.

>>53974590
>laser-eyed bagholders.
Bitcoin to 1 million by 2025!!!

>>53974369
>they are behind the curve now because they think it's not. bitcoin has pretty good privacy now.
No bitcoin doesn't have "pretty good privacy". Nice attempt at narrative building btw.

On chain bitcoin is a dumpster fire when it comes to any semblance of financial privacy. The amounts and the sender/receiver addresses are out in the open. Million dollar companies have automated the processes which chart out wallet clusters for individual users. Most of the bitcoin users have KYC'ed themselves. Bitcoin on chain is a panopticon. And (((governments))) are delighted in the face of this transparency.

((L2)) of bitcoin is another rube goldberg machine that has so many potential pitfalls that can fuck up your privacy. No DNM is going to adopt that. Also, bitcoin requires loads more server setup in order to use it with a modicum of privacy. You have to run your own bitcoind node, then you have to run tor/i2p daemon to connect over tor/2ip, then you have to run your LN server, then you have to make sure that your own server has good uptime that it is rechable whenever you want to connect to it and make a spend, then you have to make sure your home server inside the oh so glorious raspberry pi (which btc maxis loove wanking over---muh subsaharan africans MUST be able to run a node on a raspi bros!!!) is protected against your residential electricity blackouts and turns back on automatically when power is on.. etc. etc.

This type of "pretty good privacy" is a joke. It is so impractical that it is non existent.

Compare that to Monero UX: get a mobile wallet. Connect to a remote node. Just keep an eye on the fee rate the remote node reports and make sure it is not obnoxiously high. Press send.

Done. You have the real "pretty good privacy". For every one. By default.

My daughter is dating a douche-bag I don't know where I messed up, I thought I taught her well on what to look for in a man. The guy just showed up at my house and starting rambling on about how DCAing 30 dollars in 4 months into OpenBetAI helped him understand finance and geopolitics. I told him he was completely oblivious about being in a ponzi, this only unchained what I believed to be a cocaine induced speech saying that OpenBetAI was going to be the next Bitcoin and he was going to moon while buying lambos for his friends because he was no Bitch-ass paperhands I'm a bank executive, so you can only imagine what a nightmare this is for me. Don't know what the point of this post is, is not like my daughter is going to stop dating that idiot anyways. I'm scared about my daughter's future.................https://openbetai.io

10,000 Bitcoin from the Silk Road hack just transferred to Coinbase.

>>53976531

Try mercury.i2p

>>53976520
thank you for your response anon

anyone else unable to search one's local region on localmonero? there is an option which appears when i choose cash (locally) method of payment but the search button for location remains greyed out and nothing happens when i type various random locations

>>53976520
Mining, you exchange electricy vs piconero, no kyc + you support the network it's a win-win

>>53976045
I'd recommend just getting stablecoin, then using a swapper to get xmr so you don't have to worry about tax fags.

>>53974027
Indeed, I see it more as a kingdom that never was. Both BTC and and ETH have living forks, but doesn't seem that much for the CryptoNote family: ByteCoin and (Bit)Monero. There were plenty of weird forks, scam and non-scam, glowie and non-glowie, but ultimately they are buried. To me early Monero history is interesting as well, tho more for the reason of it being very different and way more fresh. As well as to the fact that stuff worked in several digits.
>>53979023
Seems like it's the feds selling at the bottom. Weird that they need the money now.

>>53925833
Is it true?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ofpaF5pkE8

Do you think monerochan's tits are waaay to big?

>>53984362
don't be silly

>>53984362
low T

when are we getting rich lads?

>>53984362
Agreed, they're way too small.

>>53980884
>>53963061
Localmonero.co is scam.
Site owner blocked acces for Russian ip.

Ok, I use VPN, enter the site and ... can not select Russia from the list. Just no such country.

Fuck services that follow govenment restrictions.

>>53975717
>I want to hear how private you think bitcoin is
more private than a zcash shielded pool if you go for it.

>>53974590
they are fucking morons sleeping on the tech. as they did back then.

>>53977799
monero has decent privacy sure. bitcoin has better now, absolutely zero on-chain trace, not even some obfuscated graph like monero has, but still kind of alpha.

>>53988345
>bitcoin has better now
no it doesn't.

>some obfuscated graph like monero has
Google "Mastering Monero", it's a free eBook. You might learn a thing or two and have fun along the way. Then next time you feel compelled to post in a thread, you can come to the table with some relevant information instead of pulling phrases out of the sky like "obfuscated graph".

>>53987329
>Localmonero.co is scam.
Shut the fuck up and kill yourself.

>>53988345
>absolutely zero on-chain trace
It must be hard being this moronic.

>>53988318
>>53988345

This is clearly a troll, retards. You're all giving it what it wants by continuing to entertain it. Noone is retarded enough to legitimately believe this.

>>53925833
Pedocoin general

>>53988755
never change

>>53986370
leave

>>53988755
rent free in your mind

>>53988755

Monero is for everybody

>>53984362
Titlets simply cannot compete

>>53990198

>>53991364
Big lipped gorilla XMRchan is literally fucking disgusting. Please stop posting it.

>>53991376

>>53990198
Agreed

>>53966102
>Let this be a swift kick in the ass to any of you that STILL aren't running an I2P node
What's the most cost effective VPS I could buy with monero ?

>>53991519
incognet.io

>>53991519
Just get a RasPi to run an i2p node.

hey anons, is the government literally buying XMR with the silkroad BTC right now or is this a hilarious coincidence

>>53992602
>or is this a hilarious coincidence
what coincidence?

>>53992620
people on twitter saying gov just dumped 49k btc (~1M USD) to coinbase causing the 1.5% dip in BTC.

As soon as that transaction hit the exchanges, XMR has steadily climbed. I'm wondering if whoever has custody of Silkroad coins is buying XMR, cause if I was in charge of Silkroad coins I would buy XMR ya know.

>>53992632
sorry, 1B USD, I missed a comma on my calculator I guess. that's kind of a lot I guess.

Anyway BTC go down, XMR go up, what do you think?

>>53992663
>Anyway BTC go down, XMR go up, what do you think?
Pretty cool.

However what excites me more is what we are building with Monero, more than its price. There are more and more anons building decentralized marketplaces, exchanges. More anons are building node software and wallets. More anons are providing various products and services in exchange of XMR. The revolutionary capacity of Monero is growing, and with it, our power to resist the tyranny of all kinds.

Long live black markets. Long live agorism. Taxation is theft.

And to all the glowfrends reading this thread and reporting back to brussels/langley: Come and Find It.

>>53992417
>raspi

Kind of a meme board these days. The knockoffs are arguably just as good and some come with the ability to use AES encryption like rockpro64

>>53988706
i mean sure i'm trolling because i don't think for a second i can convince any of you of anything. you are all fucked in the head. but don't be surprised when monero is left on the sidelines as a footnote in history instead of becoming p2p cash. that is by far the more likely scenario.

>>53988619
Retard

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8eILrIygX8

based nigger

monero encourages criminal activity and should be avoided at all costs. it's bad for society and it's bad for YOU.

>>53994891
proove it

>>53994891
arguably being able to use online marketplaces to source illicite goods aids in harm reducition.
I doubt having better informed users is bad for society in any way at all.

Anyone has experience with this xmr for fiat site? It has really good trustpilot reviews but 99%of those are usually bought.

>>53995383
I really forgot the site: https://guardarian.com/buy-xmr

>>53991376
Never

>>53995321
druggies? who cares about reducing harm to them. they should be killed en masse. think of the bankers

>>53995528
druggies still (mostly) pay taxes. the bankers need someone to take advantage of.

im considering getting into XMR mining, im prob getting only the 3900x's, whats the best price/hashrate for motherboard/ram, do i buy whatever cheapest option there is or is there some model more recommended than the other

>>53994194
>don't be surprised when monero is left on the sidelines as a footnote in history instead of becoming p2p cash. that is by far the more likely scenario

Yes, that's precisely what the free market is signaling. Its over, boys, Bitcoin won.

>>53994891
>monero encourages criminal activity

Unfathomably based.

>>53994891
>monero encourages criminal activity
So you are telling me when push goes to shove it actually works and criminals can rely on it?
Seems good enough for me.

taking out the inflationary aspect of monero wouldn't work in its favor?
why do they keep it?

>>53995383
Doesn't matter anymore. They are a KYC exchange. Im going back to swapping.

Infinite supply shitcoin.

>>53997190
Deflation discourages use and invites HODL mentality
Besides, the effective supply might actually decrease due to users getting v& and ACKed without passing on their keys

>>53997917
Getting v& and ACKed at a higher rate than the inflation, I should have clarified

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>>53997881
It's over