/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>53932955
Oh tradie

>>53932955
no it won’t you are a midwit. AI is enhancing the programmer, not replacing. it gives vague answers and half of the time is just wrong. same will happen across industries.

>>53932967
>>53932974
please stop being so close minded and embrace the future, your primitive thinking is dragging us behind

>>53932955
What 'trade' do you want to learn? All manual jobs will be replaced too by humanoid robots in max 20 years so what the point?
Invest as much as you can and get an income from dividends.

>>53932980
you just have no idea what you are talking about and repeat jewish demoralization you are spammed with all day on 4trans. likely underage. no understanding of the real world.

>>53932974
kek, fool. All you will need in future is basic knowledge, and the AI will take it from there.

>>53932985
come on, "enhancing"? at this rate AI will "enhance" a secretary roastie so she can do your job better than yourself

>>53933004
once again you have no idea what the software development life cycle is like, nor have you used AI assisted programming. you are just spewing your brain shit on 4trans as if you have some authority.

thats a nigger

this is tradie cope. the biggest language models can remember like 200 lines of plaintext at maximum, they are not going to be able to debug a fucking 100k codebase

>>53933026
>>53932985
>>53932974
I'm a developer and I use github copilot on a daily basis.
I'm sorry to say you're the one who is wrong here. The imperfections of the currents system doesn't make it impossible to replace programmer completely in the future. Give it ten years and you'll have retards that will describe in text what they want and the system will generate a full working program complete with working unit testing.
People like seems completely unable to imagine how technology will evolve and I bet that 10 years ago you would have called anyone imagining a system such as github copilot a 'midwit'.

Not sure what are the best non-programmer ways to get ahead of teh AI curve. I'm a business analyst so I'd be someone bringing in AI, but I'd like to get qualified in AI so I can sort myself out work wise till crypto wins me the lottery.

What sort of qualifications/certifications are good for AI? A lot of what I've seen is just concept stuff and not practical in any way shape or form.

E.g a few years ago I did scrum master stuff PSM I, II & III in 18 months and employers love that. No idea what the equivalent might be in AI.

>>53933050
>they are not going to be able to debug a fucking 100k codebase
christ that sounds like a nightmare. Spend your entire day surrounded by redditarian normies in a small officecuckbox paying 4k rent in a major city. Men are made for sun, soil and sweat.

Couldnt be me (too smart for it)

>>53933061
>you'll have retards that will describe in text what they want and the system will generate a full working program complete with working unit testing.
actually describing in comprehensive detail the functionality of most programs is equivalent to writing them in the first place

>>53932974
hahahaha code monkey cope!

I love how you pretentious nigger nerds try to act smug while your job won't exist anymore in a couple of years

>>53933061
There is no reason to assume that AI is able to write nontrivial applications all by itself

>>53932955
by the time even codemonkeys are completely replaced then everything else worth doing will be too lmao

>>53933113
>actually describing in comprehensive detail the functionality of most programs is equivalent to writing them in the first place
No true at all. In most companies a lot of the people that are drafting the specifications for a program don't know how to code themselves.
If you go into details to the point where you have to be technical then you're not really doing strict specifications, you're already an engineer building a solution, something that a machine will be able to do by itself to do without a doubt.

>>53933137
There are plenty of reasons to believe it will be possible.

>>53933155
name one

>>53933094
Shut up tradie

>>53933166
I'm not trying to convince you. I know it intuitively as a programmer who spent already hundreds of hours working with AI and transformer based ML systems.

>>53932955
>>53932974
>>53932980
>>53933001
>>53933118

Sheesh this reeks of incels who, despite countless warnings from their parents and teachers as children, DID NOT pay attention in school. A consequence of which can be seen here whereby fantasies are constructed to cope their way into believe they will eventually be 'on-par' with their more educated and successful peers.

You miss the boat. You will never be in text. You should have paid attention in school, and now, you have an unimpressive career, probably have back problems, and you can NEVER I repeat NEVER get the time you lost back.

Absolutely pathetic.

>>53933184
my dad works at nintendo and he says it can't be done

>>53933061
People tend to overestimate or underestimate the future.

Sure, the current system might improve and replace programmers. It might also be that they will not be able to get higher than the current performance for GPT4.

In 1990, people when thinking machines would replace humans within a few years but a 20 years AI winter came.

>>53933118
nice projection

>>53933206
>>53933208
Whatever you think. I'll laugh at brainlet like you in a few years the same way I laugh today at people who were saying 5 years ago that chatbots will never get to the point where they will be able to replace jobs in support teams.

>>53933205
>>53933210
lol shut up disgusting code monkey

>>53933257
>hurr durr every technological advancement is linear
As a developer, it doesn't seem you understand what exponential and logarithm are

>>53933282
Yeah actually you have a point it's certainly not linear. But I don't think you have the good sign on the acceleration factor.

>>53933257
Kek, have you used a chat bot recently?
They suck balls and never solve any issues beyond "restart your router" or directing you tp a human written help page based on the keywords you typed.
Lmao lol at you even.

>>53932974
Insecurity never saved anyone anon, AI will write the code and "programmers" will give it prompts, an even smaller group of actual programmers will go through AI code and fine-tune the code itself or the AI. It's over.

>>53933358
The technology is there but it is not yet implemented as a commercial solution. Give it one year and half the workforce in your average support team will become redundant.

>>53933050
>the biggest language models can remember like 200 lines of plaintext at maximum

that's a limitation artificially imposed on it.

>>53933333
checked

>>53933257
Yeah and AI can't replace support role, no company worth there rep is going to put a volatile untested system in place that could say the n word any moment, the only job i could see GPT 3.5 replacing is shitty Tier 1 support from indians with shitty accent, and i can't see how chat GPT could escalate issues, it has no knowledge of the world, it's dumb as bread.

>>53932955
AI can't replace programmers

>>53933061
>i use autocomplete so i know what i'm talking about
lmao you don't have a comp sci degree do you? that would be a massive shame for you and for whatever college you went to

>>53933570
>horses can't replace cars!

>>53933566
You finetune chatgpt on any support chat history database and it becomes instantly better than any Bangalorian. Sorry Rasheed it's coming for your job.

>>53933587
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0XpkFzK5cQ
you have no answers for this quiz
you do not even understand the first 30 seconds of introductory theory of computation

>>53933566
>Yeah and AI can't replace support role
yes it can. i will direct an entire department of technology by myself, AI-assisted.
>>53933614
eliminating midwit frauds from software development is not "replacing programmers," full stop.
the inexactness of this conjecture itself belies how little most of you understand what's happening -- yet you all have an opinion about what you don't understand anyway
fascinating really

>>53933623
Yeah we know dude you're the smartest person on the whole internet.
God these autist narcissist/sociopath are tiring to interact with.

>>53933637
You can't even read dude I was talking about support teams not programmers. You're not even half as smart as you seem to think

>>53933358
garbage in, garbage out
first of all davinci-3 isn't for code, there's a different model for that, and the performance of davinci using scraped content from the web does not infer anything about
a) the current or future models designed around formal languages
b) those models being applied to deterministic reference projects, such as "a user login system", not to random fucking tweets and left-wing news articles

>>53933574
>>53933623
Oh look a midwit

>>53932955
>machines will replace trades in a decade
>should i learn to code?

job of codemonkey will be substituted, butt the code will need reviewing and testing still, even if done with help of ai.

>>53933655
since you've clearly never actually worked in this field, "support" teams are phone-answerers who hand problem descriptions directly to junior programmers. there is nothing there but programmers. they will be replaced.
>>53933638
ad-hominem
no argument

>>53933663
not an argument
>>53933184
not only not correctly educated on decision and the halting problem, but biased also
hope you can trace code and actually think clearly, it's all you'll be doing once the pajeets are replaced. pretty soon i will never hire another "senior software developer" again

>>53933637
Please read my post again and to elaborate on it, chat gpt is just a stupid search engine, it prints you some keywords out but it doesn't help you understand complex problem if you don't know them already.
Hell in some ways Eliza is more intelligent then that, at least her can come to important information.

>>53932955
i work in fp&a at a FAGMAN. we're projecting a 60% reduction in dev salary expense in our 5 year strat plan due to AI advances. kek.

I wish I could hide all future posts by every single poster ITT. These threads are the perfect midwit honeypot (You) farms.

>>53933735
Typical argumentative strategy by midwits by the way.

>>53932955
The tradies work for the programmers. We're all fucked.

>>53933755
midwit argues the language model isnt conscious

Its fucking cringe man. I guess big tech ran out of innovations so now we have a never ending stream of cringe bullshit like NFTs and AI that are all hype with no substance.

>>53933780
What would make you think that current AI is sentient?
Genuinely curious

Low IQs think that AI is already sentient and that is just a question of scaling
Midwits think they AI will never be good at anything because 'muuuh it's just a word proba predictor' and 'muuh I'm too smart to fall for the meme '
High IQs know that although current architecture is not the terminal solution singularity is still coming in 10 to 20 years.

/thread

>>53933906
Wow an actual insightful response on 4chan, if only the rest of this basket weaving forum was like it

everyone saying it wont kill programming are all just inhaling massive amounts of cope. All low to mid level coding will be done by AI with actual humans as experts to run and maintain the system. 80% of software engineers will be without work in the next 10-20 years

>>53932955
you tell me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQhCtnd-jgk

>>53932955
Go study medicine you fucker or stack up big bags of cryptocurrencies like BTC, COTI, CYMI and HEX.

>>53932955
show me a project AI has built you nigger faggot kike

>>53932955
You should be investing right now and buying the dip before it's gone. You could either retire early in the next year or two or continue on to be filthy fucking rich. I'm between the former and the latter. Why not enjoy the best of both worlds, anon?

Outsourcing is a current bigger concern for programmers than AI/ChatGPT. All legacy companies are strict with saying that ChatGPT usage is banned. I do it anyways but that's the official line everywhere.

I believe (not sure obviously) that AI will disrupt programming jobs in a similar way that computers disrupted paper-filing jobs. Programmers are going to have to learn all the new AI/ChatGPT-like tools and will be slowly phased out as the tools get better. The job pool will shrink and they will get paid less over decades. If the requirements and products become more demanding due to AI/ChatGPT then I think programmer salaries will be fine. But I actually think we are approaching a limit on internet-based consumer products. If AR/VR stuff really takes off (or another new technology-related industry explodes in demand) then I think programmer salaries will be fine, we will just have to pivot. Otherwise I think a slow decline will occur.

This is just one random programmers retarded opinion. I work at a real FAANG-adjacent company as a senior javamonkey making obscene money. I started using ChatGPT every day and it tangibly improves my productivity.

But I don't think anyone ITT could have accurately predicted the success of Crypto, ChatGPT, TikTok, etc in 2010. I don't think anyone ITT can really say how programmer salaries will be affected in 2030.

>>53935076
the real test will be if it can unjam the screw gun that always happens

>>53933805
whats would happen if you replaced 1 neuron at a time with artificial mechanical neurons. copout: the soul. you are a wave being pushed through a particle machine

>>53932955
>Retards believe the modern day clever Hans will do anything other than be a cute parlor trick
I'm impressed at what these retard huge language models can do, but they're really not that "smart."

>>53932974
Delusional

>>53932974
It sucks at writing complex programs but is good at writing boilerplate. When it learns to abstract its development process, it's over for most project that don't have extremely niche components. There will still be a place for QA devs for a while though.

>t. senior dev

>>53935739
>predicted the success of Crypto, ChatGPT, TikTok
>Implying any of these things succeeded
God you people are so fucking stupid it's unreal.

>>53935815
We just have different definitions of "succeeded". Can you imagine what I am trying to say or are you just going to autistically sperg out

>>53935829
>Giant wealth transfer scheme
>Shitty LLM that confidence scams retards and writes a lot of garbage that reads coherently
>Fad social media platform to consume the worthless time of retards while making no money doing it
None of those things are a success and are in fact blatant societal failures. It's maddening.

>>53935850
Right. That's why I said
> We just have different definitions of "succeeded"

I'm starting comp sci next year and if I am unable to find a decent paying wfh job when I graduate because of AI then I will unironically kill myself.

>>53935794
>It sucks at writing complex programs but is good at writing boilerplate
this is literally nothing new, it's a useful tool to enhance your development, allowing you to develop changes more rapidly, but it doesn't replace the developer at all.

>>53932955

>>53936059
is this supposed to be impressive?

>>53932955
>be programmer
>chatGPT api comes out 3 days ago
>think of changing professions
Retard
Also, learn sales and how to program AI, Javascript, solidity, motoko and/or the language of hbar.
Developers still have a chance of survival if we adapt

>>53935478
Yes!
Crypto payment project is gaining massive adoption. The CryptMI app stand out as it offers millions of merchants with good discounts.

>>53936059
lol at first i thought this was like some super obfuscated code and it was able to read it but then i realized it’s just random shit
>>53936208
retard

>>53933333
wasted

>>53932974
>t.retard

>>53933061
>ai, write me a trading bot that is profitable
>ai, write me a server side service that sends our customer vocal alerts through sip trunking when they encounter a slowdown on our website
>ai, write a program that cures aids
>ai, write the code of a decentralized money with fixed supply that can is resilient to attacks and propaganda

>>53932955
>tfw AI replaces dick suckers
>buying kneepads no longer a viable investment

>>53932974
My guy, the tech is advancing exponentially. ChatGPT4 next year alone will smash this statement.