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>>53836301
I kinda suspect I have ADHD but mostly due to the executive functioning being out of whack. I neglect everything.

>>53836301
So apparently you have no agency and your problem is totally out of your control.

>>53836301
The time blindness is awful. I was lucky to figure out day trading because it's something I can squeeze in with small moments of attention while doing nothing for most of the day. Without it I'd still be neeting it up doing absolutely fucking nothing with my life.

>>53836993
People love to meme about mental issues but ADHD is a genuine curse. We have agency but our brain is uncooperative at best. You're lucky if you get a couple productive hours in a day and all the rest disappears in a blink.

>>53836301
>ADHD is the time thief. I pick up my pen and the day has passed by the time I put it to paper.

i get nothing done either. maybe i have ADHD

>>53837770
>>53836301
weak willed
or skill issue
get some skils

>>53836301
>Six months to go until my appointment with a psychiatrist.
You're in the UK, aren't you.

>>53837806
I wish it was that simple.

Buy modafinil online

>>53837806
>hurr durr
>bootstraps

Can confirm the curse, thankful for legal meth otherwise I'd literally never get anything done

I don't understand, what is real ADHD? I'm visiting psych to try to get some low-dose adderall but I'm not convinced I'm ADHD or not. If anything mild/moderate but not debilitating. I know for a fact that addy makes me way more productive.

I was always fidgety/restless as a kid, couldn't sit still, didn't pay the least attention in class. I could do homework/projects/tests when necessary though. Focus/concentration are still an issue as an adult software engineer but I can go into hypno mode when it's something interesting and get shit done.

So idk. Psych conditions are too subjective. Some of you act like you literally can't function, I just can't pay attention to boring things and have restless legs syndrome.

>>53839241
+1

>>53840064
Yeah that's ADHD dude. You're on the high functioning side of the spectrum but like any other mental illness it could be completely disabling if you were further along.

I'm ADHD too and I can be more or less productive without meds but they do help a lot, especially in directing your focus.

>I could do homework/projects/tests when necessary though.

When having enough external pressure. Is when necessary at the last minute?

>hypno mode when it's something interesting

30% of software devs are diagnosed with ADHD

Shit OP Im sounding like you. I might have had ADHD my whole life and not known it. Its got worse I cant apply myself to anything but when I do Im intense and then exhausted.

>>53837700
>>53836301
My genuine advice is to get off the computer. You'll be amazed at how much time you have if you don't spend it all on video games and shitposting.
>But what do I do with all that time
Think.

>>53840064
It's a chemical imbalance - ADHD brains don't get the dopamine hit neurotypical folks do from doing the things you need to do to live, cook, clean, be organized. As a symptom ADHD makes you much more likely to see out instant gratification, whether it be women, sugar, shitcoin trading, gambling (same thing) instead of long term goals and tasks others shoot for.

Ironically, some things we're super passionate can work until into almost like a trance state of hyperfocus where you neglect everything else. Generally ADHD requires some type of internal or external pressure to get things done.

>>53840698
I might think occasional and moderate cocaine use might have triggered it but I was doing erratic trading long before that. Come to think of it I barely worked throughout my school exams and then rammed it at the end and got good grades. I dont know why I never considered I was ADHD, denial, pressure to act like productive member of society maybe, but thinking about it is kind of reassuring if I can understand my problem.

>>53840064
Recently there's been talk of ADT which exhibits similar symptoms to ADHD but is pretty much self-inflicted through smartphone/internet addiction. But since you've experienced it all the way back then your case should be legit. Just because you have ADHD doesn't mean you'll have all the symptoms and there's like the 3 main categories of it.

>didn't pay the least attention in class. I could do homework/projects/tests when necessary though
For me it was the opposite. Weirdly enough I could pay attention to class but doing homework or anything with a deadline was always done at the last possible moment. Often that meant waking up early on the day of the deadline and scrambling to do it while I ate breakfast. With tests I'd always finish them quickly because after a certain point I ran out of focus so I had to vomit all the answers on the paper before that.

>Some of you act like you literally can't function, I just can't pay attention to boring things and have restless legs syndrome.
Well those are sort of the two ends of the spectrum. I'm barely a functional adult. I think I've been slowly improving after I became aware of the condition and the quirks I have due to it.

>>53840698
Makes sense why day trading worked so well for me. Anything long term is just impossible.

>>53840563
You're not wrong but I basically grew up on the computer so it's hard to change that habit. I've been exercising a bit lately so that's something.

Honestly I need some sort of stimulus because if I don't have anything I go fucking crazy with all the voices in my head. It's like having a dozen radio channels open at once.

>>53840824
>I've been exercising a bit lately so that's something.
That's a meme. It won't help, and you're just kicking the can down the road. Don't listen to the normies.
>if I don't have anything I go fucking crazy with all the voices in my head. It's like having a dozen radio channels open at once.
Go crazy then. Sounds like what you need is to sort that mess inside your head, not lift some faggoty ass weights. Sit down, and deal with the inconvenience of your own mind. After you get it somewhat sorted, maybe ask it "what do you have against me, and why can't we work together?" You can take it from there.

>>53840824

Checks out. Sorry for the struggles fren, ADHD isn't talked about much but it is a tragedy in many cases. It's not to say someone with ADHD can't be successful, but it's an uphill climb.

Additudemag dot Com is a good resource if you are intrigued and wanna learn more. Took a huge weight off me when I realized how many symptoms there really are.

>>53840747
>I dont know why I never considered I was ADHD
I didn't get diagnosed as a kid and I think it's probably because the stereotypical perception of it is someone who can't focus and disturbs the classroom. It's easy to fly under the radar if you're a quiet kid stuck in your head and smart enough that school is easy so you can make do despite your problems. Basically I never studied at home. I never prepared for any exams. I just made do with the stuff I picked up listening to class and that was enough to be an above average student.

Acknowledging the problem can help you become more productive because you can start addressing the problem patterns you have instead of pushing them aside as "that's just the way I am". For example I have realized that the reason why I'm so shit at maintaining friendships is because of ADHD. If I'm not with regular contact with those people I sort of forget that they exist so I never think to contact them. The solution is to be in contact with them like having a discord server for my friend group so we talk random shit daily. This way my friends are present in my life even if I don't see them and maintaining the relationships is easier.

>>53840945
>That's a meme. It won't help, and you're just kicking the can down the road. Don't listen to the normies.
What? I'm pretty sure there's absolutely no downsides to being in better shape physically. I started it because I was in really shitty shape that it was becoming a detriment to my daily life, not because of ADHD.
>Sounds like what you need is to sort that mess inside your head, not lift some faggoty ass weights. Sit down, and deal with the inconvenience of your own mind. After you get it somewhat sorted
Now this is the thing you don't get. There is no sorting the ADHD mind. It's in a near constant state of chaos. I have learned to some degree work around it but I can't stop all the random shit popping up in my head at all times.

>>53840963
It sucks but it's the cards we were dealt. Gotta deal with it in our own ways.
>It's not to say someone with ADHD can't be successful, but it's an uphill climb.
I'm feeling like this day trading journey might be my road to success. I studied software development and was big into programming for some years but after a while it got demoralizing not being able to stick to finishing projects.
>Additudemag dot Com is a good resource if you are intrigued and wanna learn more. Took a huge weight off me when I realized how many symptoms there really are.
I'll check that out thanks. And yeah I'm kinda amazed whenever I realize that something "normal" to me is because of ADHD. It seems like the list never ends.

I made a schedule for myself yesterday and gave myself enough time after studying to be able to play guitar for 3 hours and work out. I only got to work out and play guitar for 30 mins because I get distracted so often

>>53841122
>What?
I'm obviously talking about it in the context of ADHD. Normies love saying exercise is literally the thing that cures every mental problem, which isn't true, and just creates a bunch of people who can't deal with their own thoughts, and exacerbates issues like ADHD, autism, BPD, and shit like that, because people never actually hear what they need to hear: there is no escape if you want to solve the issue. You _have_ to start a dialogue with yourself, learn yourself, and figure yourself out. You are alone.
>Now this is the thing you don't get.
You don't know that.
>There is no sorting the ADHD mind.
Every mind is different. You are unironically special. Listen and learn. It's up to you to find the answer, and remember again, ultimately, you are alone, no matter how many people diagnose you with this or that.

Personify the problem, learn lucid dreaming, look for symbolism, write so you can keep on track. Try shit, be creative. Right now your goal should be to listen to those voices and try to figure out a diplomacy tactic that will let you engage.

I hate modern psychology so much it's unreal. The well is so fucking poison the topic is toxic sludge at this point. I know you probably won't listen because you already have your preconceived notions of what the problem is, and my words are just going to sound like schizo ramblings because anything that isn't pills and therapy is automatically schizo shit, but whatever you decide to do, good luck. Remember: ultimately, you are alone. Maybe one day this will help you out.

Try to think about 1 thing infor 5 minutes when you wake up and 5 when it's time to sleep. Gradually increase

>>53841319
Good post.

Problem is, literally 99% of psychological advice posts online are from people who have not permanently solved the problem in question.
They might be speculating, or trying, or even seeing an improvement. But in the end their lives are still not fixed and so it's the blind leading the blind.

>>53841319
>Normies love saying exercise is literally the thing that cures every mental problem
Well that isn't why I started doing it. I'm not expecting to magically cure this shit. You're against people peddling exercise as a cure but whatever you're peddling doesn't seem that much better.
> You _have_ to start a dialogue with yourself, learn yourself, and figure yourself out.
This is precisely what I have been doing for the last couple years. I've been discovering what parts of my behavior are due to having ADHD and trying to improve and adapt.
>You are alone.
This is something I am well aware of.

The voices are more like random noise rather than my brain trying to say anything relevant. It is the hyperactive bit of my brain taking in cues from what I see or hear and reacting to it bringing up memories or thoughts that really aren't relevant to what I'm trying to do. It's just noise, it's distracting, it's annoying but it's there.

For the record I don't take pills because I don't like how they made me feel.

>>53841422
I just like sharing the experience because it's not that often talked about and relating to other people suffering from it can help yourself realize new things. I'm not expecting anyone to come out with some magical solution to it all but if fellow ADHD sufferers have found some ways to manage parts of their lives then those might be worth trying out myself.

>>53841422
>Problem is, literally 99% of psychological advice posts online are from people who have not permanently solved the problem in question.
I'd say 80% are that, the other 20% are from people who never have dealt with the issues they're trying to assist with in the first place.
The reason why I say this is that modern psychology pretty much has made 100% sure none of these issues ever get solved. I wholeheartedly believe modern psychology to be one of the most tragic things to ever have happened to the overall development of humankind, especially since it arrived at a time of unprecedented environmental change from what we have evolved with.

I have ADHD. It fucking sucks. I just relayed to my therapist the horror of realizing that I got more feeling of satisfaction from playing a fucking video game than graduating from college. My short term memory is abyssmal. If something isn't interesting, I cant focus on it. If something catches my interest, I am compelled to focus on it to the detriment of everything else. Therapy has helped me understand why what's going on is beyond mere laziness, and has awakened me to the realisation that I MUST do things like keep a physical meat space schedule and gamify boring tasks in order to function in an adult workplace. Best of luck anon, I empathise.

one of my favorite Amerishart cope memes is that adderall/speed works differently depending on whether ~THE DOCTOR~ diagnoses with you ADHD or not

This will sound crazy but bear with me.

Go buy a bottle of DIET Mountain Dew and drink it. See if you have an alleviation of symptoms after 10 minutes or so.

The aspertame in diet drinks is a complex molecule partially composed of phenylalanine, a neurotransmitter your make on your own but has impaired production in people with ADHD. You can buy phenylalanine in pure capsule form, but for reasons I don't yet understand it has a synergistic effect when metabolized alongside Yellow 5 food dye, which Mountain Dew is full of. It tickles the same receptors as amphetamines (Adderall), and then also synergizes with the caffeine in the drink. I can experience temporary windows of lucidity by doing this.

It might steal you a few productive hours out of your mind-haze days.

t. Severe ADHD sufferer that can't get meds and has to find workarounds.

>>53840333
>>53840824

Thanks for the feedback

>>53840698

That's the hardest part, knowing what it feels like to be neurotypical. The concept that some people actually enjoy doing the little things is crazy to me. And yet I have felt it, when I take some of my gf's addy XR I'm suddenly enjoying vacuuming the house, doing dishes, little projects, lmao it's so weird.

>>53841609
>If something isn't interesting, I cant focus on it. If something catches my interest, I am compelled to focus on it to the detriment of everything else.
Congratulations, you just described what it is like to have been raised in an environment where video games were easily accessible and distractions were abundant.
You are going to HATE reading this, but ADHD isn't real, not in the way you think it is at least. ADHD is as close as we have to a scam to sell medication.
>Yes, take the meds, there is no other way to combat this, no sir, the meds or death, you will take the meds, and you will be happy.

>>53841582

>psychology

It's a weird charade. They constantly change theur paradigms and by now have renounced the founding fathers of their own "science", while SIMULTANEOUSLY behaving like their latest gimmicky construct is finally the long-awaited key to the human mind and soul.
It's clear to everyone that in 50 years they won't even be using the same classifications or vocabulary or axioms as today, and yet they pretend to have weight and authority.

As for 4chan, there are too many 20 year old students here playing wise and not nearly enough actually wise oldfags (if any) to dispense advice.

>>53841645
I would call this bullshit, but all my cop friends complain that meth heads always drink diet mountain dew to stretch out the high. Like orange juice and acid.

Further advice: There's reason to believe ADHD is actually an extremely early childhood form of defensive disassociation. Babies outsource their emotional processing to the adults around them, and so have extremely accurate perception of emotional states: babies are verified to be better at picking out fake smiles than adults are. If your parents or otherwise immediate environment were very stressed, or angry, or depressed, then an infant can tell, and will start to distance themselves cognitively. A sufficiently bothered baby, we're talking less than a year old, can actually start to refuse to look at its parent out of stress. This causes a re-ordering of the mind to become more self-referential and look inward, giving you that runaway imagination that's infinitely more interesting than whatever you're "supposed to be" paying attention to. This causes retarded development in the part of the brain responsible for attention, executive function, and the process of developing one's own identity ("Individuation"), which is why ADHD people are good at impulsively jumping from one thing to the next but can't quite commit to anything in the long run and have an impeded sense of self without someone nearby to offer them context and direction.

If you want to learn more, I highly recommend the book Scattered by Dr. Gabor Mate.


>>53840698
I feel this. The only time I feel alive, awake, alert, and present in the moment is when dealing with a literal life and death emergency. The last time I felt it was over a year ago when I was coordinating with EMS dispatch to get an ambulance to a car crash.

>>53841725
ER doctors as well. It's actually a meme in the medical community that ER surgeons live on Diet Coke. It's the pseudo-meth that aspertame metabolizes into.

>>53841575
>This is precisely what I have been doing for the last couple years.
I would bet $1 000 000 that what you actually mean by this is that you're simply thinking of the issue peripherally, and not actually putting any actual focus hours on the subject.
>I've been discovering what parts of my behavior are due to having ADHD and trying to improve and adapt.
This, in particular, is very telling.

>>53841712
Thanks for the input. I am older than the internet though, and my symptoms predate it, and also predate most of the distractions you are blaming. I experienced symptoms of inattention before I was old enough to talk or play video games.

>>53841645
>The aspertame in diet drinks is a complex molecule partially composed of phenylalanine
I drink Pepsi Max daily. I would say that I am addicted to it. Maybe your explanation has something to do with it.

>>53841766
>Further advice:
Interesting. Made a note of the book.

>>53841794
You don't even believe the condition to be real so honestly I don't give a fuck what you think.

>>53841766
Let me guess, Gabor Mate will say it can perhaps be "managed" but not fundamentally fixed.

>>53841712
Also, the implication that I am being pressed to manage my symptoms with medication isn't very helpful. I am managing this condition without meds.

>>53841989
That poster doesn't have a fucking clue about ADHD. He's just some evil pharma ranter.

>>53841974
Tbh it is likely just the caffeine that's helping. If you can keep anxiety under control, caffeine in moderation can improve focus temporarily.

>>53841712
>>53841844
This will sound crazy because it's kind of like recommending you go crazy:

Part of the ADHD puzzle is that impeded sense of being present, and an overactive imagination as a defense mechanism. One thing I've heard people do is essentially imagine yourself as a third party taking care of the physical you. If the "ADHD as a trauma response" model is correct, and it seems to be, then there's an implied severe lack of stability and trust underlying the condition. Some people have had some success in dealing with ADHD by "re-parenting" themselves. Rather than being harsh with themselves, act towards yourself as though you were the kid you started as. It seems to work better than trying to "just knuckle down and put your nose to the grindstone", as that sort of "just endure and get over it" mentality is what the attention-deflection was trying to achieve in the first place. Steady, forgiving pressure that doesn't go too far. It's like building rapport with your own ability to decide things. It also helps 'outsource' direction and work around the impeded individuation process.


>>53841976
We're talking about a brain malformation that's been developing since infancy, detectable on MRI. If we were able to "just fix it", we'd be able to "just fix" any mental disorder by swapping out grey matter like swapping spark plugs. All treatments are just managing symptoms, but I have heard there have been some successes in getting that area of the brain to grow with various kinds of stimulation. IR lasers, EM, maybe chemical. It's bleeding edge research and the attitude that the situation isn't real because we don't know how to fix it yet isn't helping.

>>53841974
Cheers, I hope it helps. If you want to keep going after Scattered and think there's something to the trauma response explanation in your case, I'd follow up with The Body Keeps the Score, which is about how trauma alters biological function and creates altered mental states.

>>53842070
A good way to test this is to see if coffee gives you the same benefit. Diet Mountain Dew gives me clarity, while coffee gives me brain fog in spite of increased overall energy.

>>53842077
While my home life was excellent and supportive, my early school life was extremely negative. I think my difficulties predate that, but may have been exacerbated by my tough time in elementary school. Thanks for bringing that possibility to my attention, I'll touch on that in more detail with my therapist.

>>53842077

Props anon, great post. I'm going to give that a whirl myself. Absolutely trauma induced. The shame is one of the worst parts.

Any anons here have mothers that had mercury dental fillings during pregnancy? I've suspected that I may have ADHD for some time, my mother recently confirmed that she had mercury fillings while pregnant with me.

I think it may be helpful to consider that ADHD may not be solely caused by environmental factors or bad upbringing, but could also be a mutation in our genetics that, while not be helpful to us in modern life, may have been selected for during our evolution as a species. This TED talk explains how that may be the case. https://youtu.be/fWCocjh5aK0

>>53837700
I'm literally need to empty my washing machine since 2 hours but I'm browsing biz instead

it takes maybe 5 mins

>>53842541
Same. I try to wash five dishes a day and that helps. Thank god my wife is so understanding. It is so frustrating! It's so EASY and takes such little time, but some days I might as well be trying to lift Mars or something.

>>53841422
You don't really permanently solve problems with your own brain
It's like the other anon said, you reach a diplomacy
but diplomacy can be tenuous and every new event in your life is a potential ww1 inside the mind

>>53842576
sometimes I get an ADHD spree and do 3 machines and ironing and stuff in 3 hours

>>53837700
how do you unironically develop a strategy that works for daytrading? i don't want to buy a strategy from some guru.
if there is a strategy that works, that is. otherwise daytrading is just a scam i suppose

>>53842579
I was advised that ADHD might be so intrinsic to who you are that its better to think of it as a permanent and incurable disability that you must have coping mechanisms in place for, rather than a disease that can/should be cured.

>>53842214
>>53842218
>>53842500
>>53842677
ADHD behaves like it's heritable, but we can't find any gene for it anywhere. The most likely explanation is that what's being inherited is overall sensitivity to environmental stimulus. It's been said over and over that people with ADHD exhibit other behaviors that would make them excellent hunters, but the unspoken downside to environmental hyperawareness is an inability to be unbothered by stressors. We're probably inheriting wide sensory throughput capacity and then developing ADHD to cope with the higher overall stress of a less filtered experience of the world.

>>53842363
My mother apparently had severe postpartum depression for two years after I was born. Which doesn't go well with the "babies learn how to feel from how the adults around them feel" thing. I don't know about mercury fillings, though.

>>53842541
>>53842576
>>53842630
I find that I constantly avert my attention away from messes in the house because they produce a claustrophobia-like sense of overwhelming pressure surrounding me. Until one day I'll "snap" and go on a cleaning rampage that results in pretty deep emotional catharsis. Cross-reference this behavior with the above point about "being unable to filter environment stressors".

>>53842836
All very interesting points! Thanks!

It would not surprise me at all if there is no "ADHD gene" to find, even if the condition is inheritable. There is probably no one schizophrenia or autism gene, either. Genetics are really complicated and there's probably a lot of genes at work here, certain combinations of which can cause hypersensitivity to stimula amd difficulty filtering information.

>>53842836
>I find that I constantly avert my attention away from messes in the house because they produce a claustrophobia-like sense of overwhelming pressure surrounding me. Until one day I'll "snap" and go on a cleaning rampage that results in pretty deep emotional catharsis. Cross-reference this behavior with the above point about "being unable to filter environment stressors".
this is literally me

if i decide I clean, I do it better than any normie. I even use metal polish for my door handles so they look new

>>53836301
adhd is simply naturally low dopamine and low dopamine response in d2 receptors.

caffeine, nicotine, alcohol and drugs increase dopamine that's why adhd people naturally drawn into those more than regular people. adhd prescription drugs like amphetamines raises dopamine crazy amounts => they feel good a while and then come down => they feel anxiety and restless typically until next dose. also those drugs cause heart disease long term and ages people as all stimulant speeds up human aging process

schizophrenia, tourette and ocd is opposite of adhd they are high dopamine and high dopamine response. schizophrenia is treated with drugs that lower dopamine. that's why mild drugs like Pot send schizophrenia and ocd people straight into psychosis their D2 receptors are so sensitive. they dont seek socializing and extremer sports like adhd people do to get dopamine rush

Also interesting thing in psychopathy and narcissism are found to be linked to Adhd as they are too low dopamine conditions. That is why prison population who are 80% narcissist and psychos are heavy drug stimulant junkies

>>53843012
You're probably right. There's a new era of genetic research starting as we speak called genomics and, beneath that, epigenetics. I've heard it described as, mapping the human genome was like being allowed blindfolded into a concert hall, and we were allowed to lay hands on the instruments and feel out how they're built and how they're placed in relation to eachother. Genomics will be the new era of figuring out how they play music together.

Fun fact: I've also heard an interesting case for schizophrenia also sometimes being a hazard adaptation to extremely unreliable or inconsistent environments, particularly including parents that gaslight their kids. If you have to model multiple versions of the world because failing to navigate both simultaneously will cause disaster, your brain may eventually start treating those multiple narratives as simultaneously true and start failing to distinguish between them. I haven't read research on this, but it's an interesting premise.


>>53843161
All of this is also true, but it doesn't explain how you end up with distorted dopamine systems to begin with (which is where I think the early trauma-provoked brain malformation comes in). I'm a living example, having chronic pain situations diagnosed as fibromyalgia that seem to be treated by the same things that treat the ADHD. Amphetamines were more effective at treating my peripheral neuropathy than opioids. I remember one day in particular I was suffering debilitating pain and all my pain medications weren't helping. Then I unexpectedly saved a wild kitten in a storm drain and my pain shut off like a lightswitch. It makes no fucking sense at all unless you realize how deeply connected dopamine is to both systems.

I can’t speak for ADHD but I have ADD

The latter is in my personal opinion very heavily influenced by two factors: 1) higher than usual parental age 2) conservative upbringing

Conservative upbringing is often connected with rather sheltered upbringing and very heavy parental fixation and a neutral leaning to the healthcare system.
If you end up 20 year old something and diagnosed with ADD you will probably inherently fight all the measures and treatments that are proposed to you: "I was fine without for all my life“

I think it’s sad that you become content with lower quality of life. I am in my case

>>53843531
My parents were of normal age, but they definitely had an unreasonable issue with the idea I had ADHD in spite of extreme symptoms. There's a sort of "no kid of mine" attitude where you're just not supposed to have issues because it would reflect poorly on their imagined ideal of what their own future/family image is supposed to be. My parents also have deep narcissistic traits, the distinction from megalomania being the megalomaniac actually believes their own press while a narcissist feels empty and is essentially putting up a front. So that would track, and certainly implies a sort of narcissism/ADD/ADHD cycle of generational trauma where parents inflict it on their kids, who then develop it to cope, who then inflict it on THEIR kids.

>>53843093
You know you're on some kind of level when you run out of something while cooking and feel catharsis because of the new empty spot in the fridge.

>>53842077

This is interesting. If true then it matches up ADHD with narcissism and borderline, both of whom lack an intrinsic stable self due to early trauna, and need the external world to maintain one.

Anons take the (caffeine + nicotine)-pill, unironically

>>53843864
The more I learn about it, the more this conclusion starts to look almost inescapable and obvious.

>>53843883
Let me hit you with a part 3 to that.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26797633/

Doses of theanine can disable the cortisol (stress chemical) response, which has obvious implications for people with a diminished capacity to manage stressful environments.

>>53842077

Just tired of wandering the desert, broski.
At some point you stop wanting to hear fellow wanderers describe various promising mirages. At some point false hope becomes very unwanted.

>>53843971
I feel you. But, until someone manages to chart the desert, we've gotta compare wanderings to try and figure out how to get to the other side. The reality of exploring is you don't know when you'll be done. Someday there'll be a paved road going through it and people won't understand what the big deal was at the time, but that's in the future.

Besides, even if you've no interest, taste, or heart to keep trying to make the crossing, just knowing where a few oasis are can make being in the desert infinitely more tolerable. Which is why I focus on things like phenylalanine and other 'life hack' workarounds.

>>53844031
People have been at it for millennia, this is why there is a recent trend of looking at all of philosophy as a failed undertaking.
I think there's more wisdom in the negative than the positive. Most people disagree.

I started taking modafinil some time ago and it's definitely not as bad as amphetamines but still ehhhh.

>The year of our lord 2023 AD
>People still think "adhd" is real.

>>53844116
I would go as far to say the perception of the negative before it happens is essentially synonymous with wisdom. The whole point is to observe futures that have not happened yet so you can avoid them. What separates wisdom from intelligence in this matter is if you can abstract out and simulate events going forward that you have not seen happen in the past. Foresight versus remembering.

I've benefitted more from ADHD than been harmed by it. I am naturally curious so I can get hyperfocused on certain topics and learn things 5x faster than normies. Yeah I procrastinate and have trouble focusing at work but when the anxiety kicks in to get it done I knock it out of the park in no time.

>>53843531
> 1) higher than usual parental age 2) conservative upbringing
Fuckkkkkk

ADHD is based, I never get bored and I know a lot about tons of shit. Tough titties OP, you were born with the gift and can't use it

>>53845301
Wow congrats on learning about a lot of Reddit fun facts

>>53843531

Seems like liberal upbringing focuses on castratung the boys and putting them all on amphetamines at 4 so they behave like good little girls. Pick your poison lol

bamp

Bamp

>>53842541
That’s called being undisciplined.

>>53846273

Imagine being deluded enough to believe anything like this, 85 IQ detected

>>53844799
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>>53843962

Hey man just wanted to thank you for your posts. I've been thinking and applying them all evening, and will continue, alongside the mantra of "you are alone".

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>>53847029
Tards

>>53847051
My pleasure, friend. I hope it all works out for you.

>>53836301
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I forgot to mention something about the phenylalanine trick. Part of its metabolic breakdown is a stage where it converts to epinephrine, better known as adrenaline. You will most likely get a boost in general no matter if it's treating ADHD or not, followed by an energy slump as your system cools down. If you want to try phenylalanine in a vacuum to test this, try it in pill format instead of Diet Mountain Dew to avoid the caffeine and Yellow 5 interaction.

>>53847314
Isn't there anything like, a lot stronger? I really don't have much to lose

>>53847699
The "same, but way more" option is literally Adderall, which is prescription-grade meth. Vyvanse is another prescription but I've never had that one, so I don't know what it feels like.

If you just need a fuckload of 'go', you can try mixing ephedrine (used in respiratory decongestants like Bronkaid) with caffeine for what's called an EC Stack. Weightlifters use it to hype up, but it can be harder to get nowadays because at least here in the US the authorities realized people were using the ephedrine to manufacture actual street meth, so there's a limit how much you can buy at a time. It'll also make your heart beat out of your chest and I take no responsibility for what happens if you're careless with the dosage.

>>53847747
I've done all three of those, and what happened was I either hyperfocused on a small task like graphic design or a spreadsheet for 20 hours until way past burnout (with mediocre results), or called every contact in my phone book and then woke up 3 days later with half a dozen unwanted manic commitments but admittedly improved relations with all these people I usually neglect due to depression, self-loathing, procrastination, daydreaming and shame.

>>53847841
It sounds to me like you need a way lower, more stable dosage. I was so overprescribed on my adderall dosage that before the end of that bottle I was using an xacto knife to shave off 1/8th servings from pills. The next thing I'd try in your case is getting an extended release formula with a much lower dose than before, like at absolutely most 1/2.

The only other thing I've used is kratom, which I very strongly recommend against. It made me more sociable, more tolerant of stress, and treated my limb pain, but over time you'll chase a dragon, become dependent on it, and eventually need it just to feel okay. It'll also fuck up your testosterone production and uptake, to the point that some heavy users need prescription medications just to regrow their shrunken testes. I seem to have dodged that bullet, but damn.

> DAE le fake disorder that makes you not want to do hard or tedious things??!?
zoomers are such fags

>>53847889
Does kratom really blunt or distort your cognition, or could you work under its effects?

>>53847943
Depends on which kind you take. White makes you sharp and gives you energy, red makes you downtempo and relaxed but has the best painkilling properties so it's great for sleep. Green is the happy middle ground with some of each, and what I used regularly. Kratom tickles your opioid receptors so you get dopamine from it directly, which can help a bit with ADHD but I mostly used for dealing with the fibromyalgia, which is probably a dopamine related disorder.


Again, I advise against messing with kratom. But I understand that desperate times call for desperate measures. There are kratom/kava bars out there if you really have to try it once, but please don't make a habit out of it unless the alternative is death.

>>53847974
If absence of life is death then I'm dead already.
Trying to wrangle an uncooperative subconscious is basically an unfair fight. It pre-empts the plans you try to implement, and sabotages everything. Anything I try to unfuck myself seems programmed to fail at the critical moment.
Call it ADHD or some other name, but it seems like the only way out of this is through turning over control to something other than myself. Even drug addiction seems better than being at the mercy of a self-sabotaging inner structure.

>>53836301
Unironically read. I was diagnosed with ADHD and reading and meditation trains your brain's ability to focus.

>>53848051
Well, don't expect a miracle. Kratom did well for me in the short term but had intolerable medium term consequences; it's interesting actually being able to feel a lack of testosterone. You become a very docile zombie that's just kind of there.

It seems to me like what you (and I) might really need is a therapist that specializes in Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, which is the term for PTSD that comes on from chronic anxiety, threat, or uncertainty in early childhood. Very different from the "one sharp strike" PTSD most people think of. Another thing to consider is getting lots of infrared light. It penetrates the skin and even skull, and cells manufacture dopamine and melatonin when so stimulated, which is why it's easy to sleep at night if you've been outside all day. The crennellations of grey matter are actually set up to guide IR frequency deeper into the brain. We used to get some IR from incandescent lightbulbs, but they were phased out for LED and now most people get very little. Windows filter out IR, so sitting near one doesn't count. You should physically feel heat, preferably direct sunlight.

ADHD people often report feeling better when "in nature", and it turns out trees survive constant direct sunlight because their leaves reject IR and only absorb what they need. The side effect is that by being around nature, you're standing under a million tiny solar reflectors.

>>53848079
I notice reading helps center me too when I'm in a spiral.

i'm dyslexic and i can't read anything past a small paragraph. I also have trouble with directions.

The weird part though is i'm a fucking wizard at math, i love numbers

>>53836301
ADHD isn't real. It's just heavy metal poisoning, mainly aluminum from vaccines. Take iodine drops every day, and take one selenium and one NAC pill together once or twice a week and you'll notice a huge difference in less than 2 weeks.

Just dropping in to say if Strattera doesn't work for you it's because God hates you and finds your amphetamine addiction amusing
B)

>>53842541
>>53842576
I don't have a dishwasher but I manage by having so few dishes overall that I usually have to wash something to cook food and when I wash I try to do all I have built up at once. I like eating food so I think that helps me get through it.

>>53842651
Well I am relatively new to it but I am on the brink of being profitable. I believe there are multiple strategies that work but it felt more like what mattered was finding the one that worked for me. With any strategy you need to learn to read the signals to see which entry is good and which isn't. You're always going to lose some trades which is why you need to set a proper stop loss and not fiddle with it if it looks like the trade isn't going your way. The strategy itself doesn't need to be anything too complex.

I am currently using a couple moving averages and MACD, basically looking for opportunities at 5min and then making trade entries at 1min. Trading forex and doing small 10-20 pip trades.

>>53843531
Anybody that doesn't conform to the dystopian, kiked society we live in now is considered to have an attention disorder kek the modern education system is an inhumane construct:
>Shoved into shitty, prison like school buildings with a bunch of toxic 3rd worlders.
>Forced to wake up at 530 in the morning for absolutely no reason.
>As a result, everybody is angry and full of testosterone. Oh yeah, and lots of these people are also hopped up on caffeine and other kike drugs.
>Oy vey, I can't understand why these goys aren't learning anything.
Wake the fuck up already

>>53845063
How do you manage when you have nothing to push you to get it done? Let's say you're trying to learn something as a hobby for fun. I absolutely suck at learning anything I don't have to learn. Even if I'd like to learn it.

My ability to hyperfocus on things has also been getting worse over the years. I used to get into these week long fever dreams focusing on some thing and nowadays I'm lucky if it lasts a couple hours. On the upside it means that I'm spending less time neglecting the rest of my life.

>>53847314
I don't really feel any highs or lows drinking Pepsi Max but I do it throughout the day. I guess I'll have to give Mountain Dew a shot.

>>53843962
I fuckin love L-Theanine. I usually take some in the morning and its able to give me a slight boost in staying focus. L-Theanine also takes away all of the bad side effects from caffeine like muscle aches and headaches. The times I do take caffeine without I my head is always pounding the next day. I also take an L-Theanine and Ashwaganda tablet with my night time nootropic stack. I will say, sometimes I get too relaxed and dont stress about shit I probably should get done(more so than I already do), but I also dont stress about random bullshit either.
Id say its like non prescription anxiety meds for those who dont have an anxiety disorder. Also pair it with MCT oil too you feel like an actual neurotypical for once.
>>53845063
Im the same way, but I work at a retards pace when I do the anxiety last minute work. I unironically schizo out about some stuff for hours or days to weeks then put it down then dont pick it back up for a while since Im onto the next thing. Ive always thought of myself as a boring person with no hobbies, but then I realized I get overly passionate about something then got distracted and lost my flow to feel interest then didnt pick it back up at least for a while. This is where the instant gratification comes in where I will spend 3 hours looking up a topic randomly and will be satisfied because the reward is the knowledge rather than something more long term and complicated.
>>53848153
Ive been on Iodine since the Summer(stopped eating Brazil nuts for selenium cuz lazy) and on NAC for a few months now. Iodine(65mg) helped with retard anxiety as in afraid of being judged about what windshield wiper speed I have while its only sprinkling outside. I say its anxiety, but its random bullshit with executive functioning in the prefrontal cortex so its just inhibiting those strange ways of thinking, or making it so normal functioning isnt being inhibited. I dont doubt heavy metal poisoning being a factor, but it can only be one of several

>>53848121
Thanks again bro.

>>53848153
>>53848230
I don't know if the shit you suggest will work but acting like it isn't a real condition is just a huge fuck you to anyone who suffers from it.
>didn't go to school with thirdies
>woke up at 7 because school was 15min walk away
>practically no kids were on kike drugs back then
>learned just fine
All the assumptions people like you make are wrong because the condition isn't a result of your imagined list of reasons.

>>53841645
bro, it's easy as fuck to get meds. just get a virtual appt with a doc and say you took addy in college and it really helped you. then request the lowest dose (5 mg IR) possible.

i did this with my doc, i literally said

>can you give me 3 months supply of 5 mg IR? i'm not going to sell it. it really helps me

he hooked it up fatty style no problem

i also use a pill cutter to cut the pills in half. i take a 2.5 mg dose each morning. gets me around 3-4 hours of productivity and then it wears off. no zombie feeling for the rest of the day. it's honestly a miracle drug for adhd brain.

You ever feel actually retarded because of this disease? Ifod wills it ill be starting taking the meds in a month or so. I cant stand it anymore being bored the entire day procrastinating and them at night getting hooked on some useless topic for 4 hours and masturbate 2 to 3 times and going to sleep super late because i dont know any better. Meanwhile i can barely draw 1 hour a day, that it is my main interest.

>>53848429
Sorry for the misspells i will start my second masturbation shortly

>>53848429
See

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>>53848429
Yes, very often. A lot of anons like to argue its the education system's structure(not that it helps) but these problems persist well into adulthood. Common responsibilities get put on the back burner frequently and often end up having far greater consequences down the line. Theres a vast difference between an autist who likes to live in his own piss and shit and someone who sperges out over the fact that the choose not to clean something or has anxiety over doing something last minute. The argument against is just saying its another case of "le adulting is hard xD" but you eventually know what the consequences to your actions or lack thereof will be and yet choose to do otherwise consciously knowing what will happen.
>Gee anon, doing the same thing over and over again expecting something different? Sounds like your a crazy person
Its almost as if my brain is not wired right, doesnt matter how you label it.

I think the one thing that has resounded with me the most is the ADHD Tax. Im talking about the 5 week old broccoli in the back of the fridge or the bill not set up on auto pay or it could be the car maintenance that should be done. All of these things eventually add up financially over time almost as much as normies and their subscriptions + daily Starbucks. I got charged $400 to the lien holder of my car because they keep fucking up whenever I send them the insurance and I havent given them a call yet.

>>53839241

OP here. Forgot about this thread as soon as I posted it because I got distracted with some other bullshit.

I've been taking modafinil for years, and it has helped, but not that much. Sometimes it aggravates the ADHD by hyper focusing me on the wrong thing. I'm looking forward to the psychiatrist so maybe I can get on a drug regime tailored to me specifically.

>>53843883
or you could just take amphetamine which is way more powerful and effective. just take 5-10mg of amphetamine per day and youre golden.

>>53837858

Australia. Mental health systems here are completed overworked and fucked. Took three months just to get the appointment with the psychologist who could get me a referral for the psychiatrist. 9 months it will take altogether

By the way thanks everyone for the interesting replies I'm going to try mountain dew and some of this other shit out. Legends cheers

>>53848429
>>53848567
Intellectually retarded? No, I have top 0.1% IQ but I do think I've been held back from utilizing it in any productive way. However when it comes to social and emotional stuff I am absolutely retarded. In social situations I'm either too quiet because I'm busy trying to prepare what I want to say and miss the opportunity to say it entirely OR I spout some really stupid shit impulsively and it haunts me years after. I will also cry at certain types of moments in movies but at the same time I don't know how to express emotions when I'm with people. It's also the worst when your brain catches onto some thought mid conversation with people and you tune out and then someone notices and is like "were you listening at all?" and I'm like yeah for sure I heard what you said but I have no fucking idea what you said because I wasn't focused on what you were saying.

>>53850036
>It's also the worst when your brain catches onto some thought mid conversation with people and you tune out and then someone notices and is like "were you listening at all?" and I'm like yeah for sure I heard what you said but I have no fucking idea what you said because I wasn't focused on what you were saying.
Happens all too often. That unconscious disconnect between your inner thoughts and reality can be a burden especially when its for important shit

>>53836301
Try >dude weed.
Seriously, in mild doses it helps me a fuck ton with paying attention to what I'm doing.

Seems like amphetamines are the only agreed-upon silver bullet so far itt

>>53836301
funny how america is the only one with "adhd" people

>>53837700
youre confusing adhd with actually being a weak unmotivated person. you just daid it yourself you like day trading because you do nothing most of the time. fucking retard lmfaoooo

>>53840698
>chemical imbalance
oh the one where it was never proven? good one!

>>53841609
>I got more feeling of satisfaction from playing a fucking video game than graduating from college
sounds like youre a drug user whos parent never taught him discipline. good luck tho making excuses! incredible how many people here are self diagnosing when in reality theyve never had to work hard a day in their life. fucking americans lmfao

>>53836301
Develop a thing that keeps you back in place, as the mindfulness practices are.
Whether a slap, a stomp with a food, self massage, anything to remind you to get shit done.

>>53841609
>If something isn't interesting, I cant focus on it. If something catches my interest, I am compelled to focus on it to the detriment of everything else.
HAHAHAHA BRO THATS CALLED LIFE YOU FUCKING RETARD LMFFFFAOOO

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>>53850565
>muh bootstraps

>>53850605
You posted 4 times in a row and everything you said is moronic nonsense. I can tell the people in this thread know what they are talking about whereas you sound like a snot nosed kid.

>didn't get diagnosed with add until I was in my mid 20's
>Took almost 10 year for treatment and medicine to help my unlearn decades of bad habits and finally get my shit together
Years of my life, gone. I can't go back and fix those bad grades. I can't fix that stunted development. All of that potential has been wasted.

>>53836301
Get nicotine in your system by any means, it helps you focus and is a neuroprotector. I personally use nicotine pouches as it’s the least damaging way to take it. It’s the only way to feel normal that’s not meth.

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>>53850618
I think I'd have the same opinion if I wasn't diagnosed with it myself. It fucking sucks. Especially the primarily inattentive type because it's often overlooked in school if you're not retarded. It took me 32 years to figure out what's wrong with me, watching all my peers make it while struggling to do basic shit.

>>53850605
if youre going to troll, try not sounding like such a little bitch while you do it lmao

>>53850714
If you could redo it, would there be a way to shorten those 10 years?

>>53850770
Idk, impossible to tell really. I'd like to think so, but there's no use thinking about it. That sort of meandering "what if" thinking just plays into the dopamine seeking part of add. Only way to go is forward, and I have to remind myself that just because things would have been different doesn't meant they'd be better.

>>53850799
If anything, I'm probably better off for taking it slow and really learning about ADHD and adapting to it, instead of just trying to short cut it with copious meds, which seems to be the course of action for a lot of people.

>>53850806
Or another way to put it: ADHD is a very personal journey, and my journey might not be like others. Meds might work immediately for some, others might need counseling. Don't forget that ADHD impedes a lot of your life, so there's secondary trauma that you have to deal with from being shamed, being an outsider, an under performer, etc.

>>53850822
Yeah, and I'm not fully convinced it's ADHD and not, say, a generational lack of purpose or a cultural mismatch with my surroundings. That's another problem, a failing life is such a kaleodoscopic disaster with so many explanations, that how can one zero in on ADHD as the root cause?

>>53850883
I'd highly suggest therapy with a quality therapist who specializes in adhd. It's the best way to get a proper diagnoses. Don't just rely on self diagnosis or general practitioner. You need a good quality psychiatrist to get the ball rolling.

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>>53841665
Nobody is neurotypucal. Society has created a bunch of crybaby pussies

>>53850890
>t. 13 year old who just watched his first ndrew Tate video

>>53848209
your strategy is similiar to what i would do too, just using simple indicators. i know i would need a winrate of at least 70% to really make it worth following. i could do paper trading to learn, but i feel like i'm too big of a retard to actually backtest and develop a plan myself. paper trading is definitely something i keep thinking about but never actually got to try out because i don't know how to find a strategy that works and read the good entries, etc. that's the hard part, managing a stop loss is easy, you just calculate the risk you want to take per trade and then set the stop loss.

>>53850931
I'm 16 faggot

>>53850578
You're the retard in this conversation.

>>53850714
The time you lost is gone. Nothing you can do about that but what you can do is focus on making the best of what you have left.

>>53850745
>It took me 32 years to figure out what's wrong with me, watching all my peers make it while struggling to do basic shit.
Yeah that's fucking rough. Highly relatable. I came crashing down hard after I moved out because I had no clue how dysfunctional my life was when I was living at home. I used to think I was better than my peers because life seemed relatively easy and good and then slowly the reality was revealed as my life got worse living by myself while my friends started to get their shit together in their mid to late 20s.

>>53850984
Technically if you win 50% and your risk to reward is higher than 1 you're profitable. I'd say get a demo account and pick a suitable leverage and starting amount that you'd be using if you were trading real money. Don't trade with money you can't afford to lose.

I don't know your starting point but if needed learn about the basic concepts relating to the charts and trading. I watched a lot of videos and demo'd on the side and bit by bit the charts started to look a bit less intimidating to look at. I've seen a lot of recommendations to journal your trades but I haven't been entirely consistent about that. If you can do that properly it should help you learn. When you get into a trade write up your reasoning why you did and then if it's a loss you can look at why you were wrong.

The one big mistake I still fall for is revenge trading. You gotta try to separate each trade as it is. If you lose that's it. Don't get into a new trade because you lost. If you lose twice in a row take a step back and seriously look at why it's happening. You can even end trading for that day and start with fresh eyes the next.

As far as strategies go there's a lot of youtubers who will try to sell you on shit but there are some good ideas in there. If you see something that looks good at a glance try it out, that's where having a demo account comes handy. Once you find something that works for you and keeps profitable for a couple weeks on a demo you can look at putting in real money.

>>53851318
>used to think I was better than my peers because life seemed relatively easy and good and then slowly the reality was revealed as my life got worse living by myself while my friends started to get their shit together in their mid to late 20s.
Jfc this is relatable

>>53851462
How is that an ADHD thing? Seems like it's quite common

>>53848327
You have to take the Selenium pills. You're not going to get enough from eating nuts. Also, you need to take it together with the NAC. It's dangerous to take nac by itself because it might cause mercury to pool somewhere else in your body. That's why you take the selenium with it.

>>53851450
well i know a bit about trading concepts, journaling, checklists, simple TA, position size and risk management as i have a friend which trades and i sometimes look up videos on the matter. i learned the basics from him, saw him go through his mistakes (sometimes devastating) but he always learned and recovered, so i would try not to repeat the same mistakes, although i'm sure sometimes i would repeat the same mistakes myself, even though i know i shouldn't do them, before actually learning and internalizing the lesson.
i never actually tried trading myself as i said. if i were to actually start, i would do so on a fake money account just to see how it goes and if my strategy works. luckily i'm not a degenerate 20x leverage gambler and i always stayed away from it, so that is a good starting mindset i suppose.
somehow i can't still shake off the feeling that it's all random and it's like i'm trying to look into a crystal ball as if trading is a scam. i guess the strategy's winrate and demo account should speak for themselves in that regard anyway. if the winrate is high and is consistent, i should have no reason to believe trading is a waste of time and money, because i see the results firsthand.
trading aside, i still do investing and sometimes i also do my mistakes there so i am not perfect. as for revenge trading, what i think is that when trading you will always have a new opportunity, so you shouldn't fall for revenge trading. from my silly investor perspective though, if i miss the bottom, then i won't have a next opportunity if already missed on profits, but that isn't entirely true either.
so anyway, yes i think i got the basics down but i need to practice and most importantly i need to find a strategy and learn how to plan. that's my biggest weakness right now. ideally i would like for trading to be my main source of income some day, but right now it is not realistic for me, but i wouldn't mind starting to learn.
thanks for the suggestions

>>53851508
It's magnified 100x with ADHD. You learn to adapt to it with all sorts of maladaptive behaviors, so it's really common to feel like you're fine until your out of your element where change and adaption is necessary, and then it all falls apart. It's not just "keeping up with the Joneses", it's realizing all of the truths you believed in are thrown out the window and you quickly realize you're not at all ready for life on your own.

>>53851508
I'm sure real life hitting you in the face when you start living alone is common but it's all the ways I sucked at dealing with it because of ADHD that really hit me. It's hard to explain but a bunch of my friends were on some pretty rough looking trajectories in their early 20s and I was worried how they would turn out but I had no such worries for myself. Skip forward a couple years they're employed, building families, buying houses etc. and I'm still in the same place I was in my early 20s. Sure, I got my degree but I couldn't deal with the expectations of work life and struggled with basic daily shit at home. Now it's gotten a bit better as I started recognizing my problems and working on them but the ADHD struggle is real. It's not that I can't do the basic shit, it's that my stupid ass brain gets in the way.

>>53847013
not really. because i can be disciplined when need to

>>53851665
>>53851695

How do you niggas hold down a job without going violently insane in a month or two?

>>53851620
>somehow i can't still shake off the feeling that it's all random and it's like i'm trying to look into a crystal ball as if trading is a scam.
That's where the learning and demoing helps. Smart money concepts in particular. Understanding what the big institutions do and when helps a lot. You'll still get surprised by weird ass spikes at times but at least you get to avoid the obvious ones. You can even trade and profit off of them if you're prepared like when price hits a big level and shoots the other direction.
>i guess the strategy's winrate and demo account should speak for themselves in that regard anyway. if the winrate is high and is consistent, i should have no reason to believe trading is a waste of time and money, because i see the results firsthand.
It certainly helps. It's hard to disconnect yourself from the losses emotionally but that's where the stats come in to help. If you're winning more than losing then the individual losses don't have to feel as bad.

>>53851806
I don't. I'm lucky enough to live in a country with good welfare which allowed me to pursue day trading. I simply can't be somewhere 5 days a week at a specified time. I honestly don't know how I ever managed it in my school days but I remember it was pure suffering and I skipped about as much as I could without getting into trouble.

>>53851806
Many years of functional substance abuse and working in low skilled fields that took anyone with a pulse. It took time, but I've been able to move into a better career and earn good money, but it was a hell of an uphill struggle.

>>53851868
So really you're still out of the game...
Personally I've made dozens if these attempts at holding down a job and they were all a nightmare that was impossible to sustain beyond a couple of months. Towards the end I become homeless or move back home or got into crime. Each time.
I have no idea how one is even supposed to survive like this, long-term.

>>53851814
>Smart money concepts in particular. Understanding what the big institutions do and when helps a lot.
hmm, i'm not good at all at that, actually never looked into it. can you give me a few pointers?
i know to expect high volatility during fomc/cpi print days, but that's it. probably unrelated but, if i were for example to determine the state of the housing market right now, i wouldn't know how, i have no idea other than "zoomers won't be able to buy a house in a long time" kind of thing. i wouldn't know how to predict anything at all.

>>53851905
"Earn good money"... sounds like a completely abstact notion, so remote that I can't even bother desiring it.
How do you build anything if you're pathologically averse to routine?

>>53851905
Which functional substance abuse stack helped you out?

>>53851978
That's the uphill battle part lol
First step was being honest about my symptoms and how it effected me. Then I had to handle the whole anxiety/dopamine issues that come with ADHD. Then it was very small steps to add routine to my life. Exercise was a big contributor. Then it was other things, like setting small goals, 2-3 times a week to journal. This is all a very simplified over head view, but after about 10 years I've learned to manage it through behavior modifications. Sort of like how an alcoholic turns into a marathon runner because he still needs that high, someone with ADHD had to learn how to manage their dopamine hits and anxiety effective. Handle those and you effectively control the barrier to routine.

>>53852004
Wouldn't say it helped me out, just helped mask the anxiety from constantly being overwhelmed and paralyzed by indecision. Alcohol and weed.

>>53851966
>hmm, i'm not good at all at that, actually never looked into it. can you give me a few pointers?
TLDR version as far as forex goes banks have to exchange currencies throughout the day and of course they want to do it in big chunks and get the best exchange rate so you can map these big levels of support and resistance on the charts looking at bigger timeframes and once the price reaches one of those levels you can watch what it does and trade accordingly. Look up some videos on youtube on the topic.
>i know to expect high volatility during fomc/cpi print days, but that's it.
That's a good start. It's a good idea to avoid trading those events as it's hard to predict what's going to happen. There's websites that list these events to help keep track of it.
>housing market
I dunno much about that. I think people are expecting prices to go down and interest rates on loans are already going up.

>>53850578
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>>53850618
You should probably see a therapist. Deluding yourself into the hyper-masculine grindset will create a misery spiral that lasts years or decades, no matter how old you are. You will convince yourself that no matter what you're doing, as long as it fulfills a certain level of self-harm it's a good idea. Your life's work will be undoing the the trauma you will inflict on yourself this way.

Source: I spent years in the retard grindset mode that you are probably trapped in (considering you go on biz to insult people) and I will never, ever be a fully functioning human again because of it. Please try to get in touch with someone you care about, and let them help you. It's not too late.

>>53851946
If you can't hold a job you gotta find something you can do for money on your own terms. Easier said than done of course. For example with day trading (not that it will necessarily work for you) it's better if I trade London or New York session but I can trade at night time when my sleeping routine is fucked and if I can't find the focus that day then I can skip that day or I can do it later that day if my brain feels more cooperative. On top of that there's no need to make a bunch of trades every day. If I can find one good entry I can start the trade and monitor it while I do other shit and that can be enough trading for a single day. For me it's turning out to be something I can squeeze into my day because I don't need to focus for hours at a time for it.

>>53852092
ok thanks i will check it out. i take you mainly trade forex, rather than stocks and whatelse.

>>53836301
if you don't have access to medication yet, I do have a strategy but it only works if you have a internal dialog in your head like me. that bastard is the reason i can't get anything done because i just sit and listen to myself talk in my head endless going back and forth with myself instead of actually doing anything.

what i do is basically distract my internal dialog and keep it busy doing things like counting in sequences (groups of 4 things or less) or by playing songs i like like it's a radio. when i can get my brain distracted, then my unconscious brain activates and starts doing all the things I need to do since my internal dialog is doing something else and doesn't derail me. i know it sounds crazy, but it actually works for me

>>53852341
Yeah I decided to focus on one thing to begin with and I guess forex happened to be the thing. I do like how there's that real world connection to how the prices go up and down. There's somewhat of a limit of how much any pair can go up or down and they seem to trend pretty strongly during London and New York sessions which makes for easy trades with the trend.

>>53841582
>I wholeheartedly believe modern psychology to be one of the most tragic things to ever have happened to the overall development of humankind
I have a psychology degree and I agree
The well is so poisoned it's nearly impossible to have an actual conversation with anyone about what they are actually experiencing.
They've been taught to run, hide, and 'fix' the 'problem' using words, language, and framing that makes it impossible to even perceive the real problem, let alone do anything about it.
>>53841319
>You _have_ to start a dialogue with yourself, learn yourself, and figure yourself out. You are alone.
This is the truth. If we are to be saved, we have to save ourselves. I am alone. I saved myself.

>>53852395
>i know it sounds crazy, but it actually works for me
It don't matter if it's crazy as long as it works for you. I can relate that distracting the brain can help. It's a bit ironic if you think about it. I've found success with music as well but it needs to be certain type of music. If it's too engaging I will get caught up in the music but if it's something like a long mix of somewhat generic electronic music then that's something that I can use as background noise to block out the noise in my head.

>>53852506
yeah it's exactly the same for me. music that's too interesting just makes me want to listen to more music and not do anything else either. i usually just count to 8 over and over again as 2 groups of 4 digits. i've gotten pretty good at it now and just "threaten" my internal dialog to cooperate or i will do things the hard way. it actually works almost every time and I don't even have to count to get things done now since my internal dialog doesn't "want" to get suppressed.

god I'm such a fucking psycho, but at least i have something that works

Ok here's some advice for advice for ADHD tards.
Get a goal planner/habit tracker where you tick off habits to keep you accountable.
1. Learn an instrument (seriously google its benefits)
1a.Go to musictheory .net and learn how to read music through the gamified flashcard-like lessons there.
1b. Decide what instrument you will play, pirate a bunch of music scores of of IMSLP. Get beginner sightreading and go from there. Make sure to focus on getting the rhythms right, clap it out. ( look it up if you struggle)
1c. Sightread a little bit everyday on your instrument. Can be as little as 15 minutes. It focuses your attention and improves all manner of cognitive processes.
2. Meditate (look up how to do it properly in a comfortable setting, listen to guided tapes to get the gist before doing it freeform)
2a. Start with 5 mins every morning and night, then move up gradually to max 20mins each.
2b. Do an extra quick meditation if you are feeling unfocused in your work, it'll calm you and bring back your attention
3. Read one fiction book and one non-fiction/learning book that you find interesting. Optional: Try to journal what you remember to improve comprehension.
4. Exercise (look up the optimal weekly exercise plans)
5. Avoid technology like computers and phones. Keep your phone away from you. Plan times when you access them.
6. Keep a calendar/diary. ADHD sufferers struggle with date keeping and time management.
Some other things:
Green tea(matcha) for caffeine and L-theanine.
Take meds if you have severe ADHD but try to avoid it, they cause heart problems.
Do math problems, sudokus, things that require attention ect.
Use pen and paper and rule up margins before writing.
Use pomodoro method, some people swear by it.
Get into the habit of taking things slowly, ADHD people rush things to there own detriment.
Just my two cents

>>53852889
fuck i misspelled their, anyway try it out anons, you don't have to do everything on the list, the first two have arguably some of the most significant positive outcomes

>>53852889
Serms like you've gotta not have ADHD to implement such a protocol in the first place.

>>53836301
I snort rilatine to spice things up. fapping becomes a challenge but it helped me trhough NNN. the high is quite nice and i become superprodutive except for my spermcount. i mean alot of jizz spurts out when i finally coom but it looks more like piss than cum. bye now niggers

>>53853539
Don't be a slavefag to a diagnosis cus it's muh can't help it blanket. ADHD is a gift, niggers can't focus in laser speed. Find what makes you hone in and monetize that shit. The most important thing on anons list is working out. A strong body is fundamental to having a strong mind

>>53853847
Dunno bro, you sound young and full of hot air. I lift too and have the desire to monetize advantages but over the years there's an emergent pattern of my subconscious being my own enemy. Of course an internal locus of control is preferable, but if it consistently doesn't lead you anywhere good then you start exploring other possibilities.

>>53853847
i hate to break it to you, but it's only like this until your early 20s. once you hit your 30s, you actively have to prevent adhd from ruining your entire fucking life

>tfw ADHD and ocd

>>53853847
It might be a gift for some people with the hyperactive-impulsive subtype. Unlimited energy and enough impulsivity to start new shit without thinking. That leads to great outcomes for some of them if they hyperfocus on the right stuff, which they rarely do. And only 5-10% of ADHD people have the hyperactive-impulsive subtype to begin with. People with inattentive and most people with the combined subtype are just fucked. But media puts the spotlight on the hand-full of hyperactive-impulsive high achievers, so people think it's a le gift.

>>53854641
B00kmarked

>>53851534
>Iodine protocol calls for 200-400 mcg of selenium a day
>1 Brazil Nut contains up to 90 mcg of selenium
Its fine.
>>53851806
I almost got fired because of how late I was on paperwork for my job, as in 5 months late. I talked with the director and we agreed that I would finish up what I have, get a drastic reduction in work load, and never do that again. I have a job, but also significantly less hours now.
>tfw a week behind on paperwork
>>53853847
ADHD is only a gift when youre passionate about an interest. The dopamine explosion from essentially schizoing out over a topic is one of the best feelings. Hell this even happens when doing chores occasionally. The absolutely mundane things like doing some form of paper work is where the dopamine well dries up. I cant gift my way to think something is interesting when I dont think it is at all.

>>53854345
It's supposed to be the other way around, kids grow out of ADHD as they learn to manage it.

Bump

>>53842363
Even if your mother didn't get silver amalgam fillings she almost certainly took vaccines at some point, each of which contained quadrillions of molecules of mercury plus some aluminum and formaldehyde. The same can be said for you

any know if consistent use of lsd/shrooms help with adhd symptoms?

>>53856836

it's helped me a bit. I take mescaline once a week

>>53836301
It's alright, I mean you could be autistic and ADHD with OCD too. You know the crazy thing about neurodivergency? You probably don't only have ADHD but everything else too. You'll eventually develop schizophrenia or dementia too. Our brains are wired differently. The only thing you could do is weaponize your crazy and harness that energy on your own accord.

>>53848160
Stratterra made me feel like a cold emotionless robot, I went to lunch with my mother and was a complete ass to her which I never do. It also just made me feel slightly uncomfortable in my own skin. 0/10

>>53850332
Weed is terrible for people who actually have adhd, it makes you feel okay sitting around doing nothing important and procrastinating which people with adhd already have no problem doing. Also you’re kidding yourself if you think you learn better/retain information/remember things better on weed than you would sober or on a mild stimulant

i made it with crypto and have been neeting for half a decade. All i do is browse the web post on here and watch anime. Sometimes i play io games. I do this on my overkill 2k desktop pc. do i have adhd as well cause i never had to bother getting paid disability benefits.

You're not broken you faggots you're just lazy and depressed. You can fix that shit.

>>53848327
just saying try matcha

>>53858275
bonk.io? i failed uni because of that game

The cope from the meth heads in this thread kek
Maybe a different brain medicine will help

>>53858537
bonk io is great. i used to play diep io, but nowadays i play a lot of territorial io. i feel pretty retarded to use a huge tower for this though

The alarmed critics of the Ritalin disaster are now getting support from an entirely different side. The German weekly Der Spiegel quoted in its cover story on 2 February 2012 the US American psychiatrist Leon Eisenberg, born in 1922 as the son of Russian Jewish immigrants, who was the “scientific father of ADHD” and who said at the age of 87, seven months before his death in his last interview: “ADHD is a prime example of a fictitious disease.”

A Russian yew cooked up this idea that boys who are put with female teachers, fed carbohydrates since birth and made to sit still on a chair for 8 hours a day have something wrong in their brain. The only cure is to feed them amphetamines made by same yews.
And then you niggers internalize the problem and do nothing about it but wear it like a "look im retarded badge".

>>53836301
modafinil online changed my life, I became a robot to the point all I want to do is work on new shit, started a youtube channel and solved 600 leetcode problems, all that's left is to make the resume and start taking interviews

Bump

>>53859762
Howd you find modafinal effected your personality?

>>53841645
>willingly consuming motherfucking aspartame, one of the most potent rotten estrogenising (((WEF))) sterilisation poisons in existence

Anon's life expectancy is ngmi

>>53843161
That doesn't fully make sense given that ADHD and OCD are comorbid conditions. I have both, my OCD was straightjacket loonie tier in childhood but now barely existent besides counting my steps so I walk an odd number of times, typically in sets of nine kinda like when working out, autistic shit like that (and nobody notices it or cares ofc). I'm mostly drawn to hard liquor now though, in my country we usually drink homemade fruit brandy and the men in my family have been notorious alcoholics since back in serfdom times (my great grandpa's brother was actually in the loonie bin for a month for rehab in the 80s lol)

>>53859762
Why the fuck is every other "neurodivergent" in the thread a codemonkey jeet? I fucking failed basic algorithmisation in high school, and I mean flowgorithm type shit

>>53861174
Is this in Moldova or something?

>>53849514
They will give you amphetamine salts or methylphenidate. Congrats on needing to take military-grade medication that was invented to allow marines to ski for 40 hours just so you can work on your homework.

>>53861347
Close.