/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>53707492
its cool if you make over 200k a year and have a nice apartment. Its literally slavery if you make less than 150k a year and live in a tiny box. You don't want to get debt trapped there.Also the taxes and laws are horrible

Fuck no I would rather struggle to come up with a whooping $44k a year in the mid west in some small red necky town

>>53707492
What makes you think the social/dating scene in NYC wants anything to do with you? Are you black? Do you wear clothes? Does is your wallet contain more than one?

If you answered yes to any of those, or any question ever in existence, then NYC is am not for you.

>>53707562
at least you have some freedoms in the mid west. New york is a slave quarters. Filled with corruption and degeneracy

>>53707492
Retard, do not move here.

>The social/dating scene seems
women would only open their legs if you have a lambo or yacht in NYC

>>53707525

Is it ok to live with roommates or will women think you’re a bum if you’re 28-33?

>>53707492
Philadelphia is better. It's got just as much going on at half the cost (though 2x the crime). Check this website I made:

https://philly-happenings.com/

>>53707597
>https://philly-happenings.com/
ayy im moving there in Sept! show me around?

>>53707492
By nyc you mean manahattan, right? That's the only worth while place financially

>>53707492
>Is living in NYC worth it financially speaking?
Maybe if you live in one of the outer boroughs. If you live in Manhattan your choices are a) a nigger ghetto b) a studio apartment with three roommates c) spending half your income on rent d) making 500k salary. None of those are really feasible options.
>The social/dating scene seems amazing.
Go back, normalfag.

Move to a small/medium city with a university. Somewhere in fly-over and 75+% white. An example would be Fayetteville Arkansas. I'm already regretting moving from there to hicksville 4 hours east. There was so much cute, blonde pussy in Fayetteville and the city was very nice and fun. I'm lying in the bed I made now. Have no idea how I will realistically date out here in eastbumfuck.

>>53707676
Imagine being this poor.

>>53707583
not cool to live with roomates over the age of 28

>>53707702
Fuck you. I make $150k a year and I live in Hudson County because I don't want to pay some Jew $3000 a month just so I can say I live in New York

>>53707583
Kings county carcass here, your post is mad sus. Social/dating scene? 28-33? Roommates? You sound like a teenager. Go be a man and raise some kids in the country side instead of wasting time fraternizing with degenerate transplants

>>53707614
Just moved here last April, myself, and was pretty much a shut-in here, until recently, but yeah, becoming super social now, and should have met people by the time you arrive. Email me at the email on that site, before you come in. You can guess what my interests are based on that site, for the type of guy I am.

>>53707597
>>53707614
aren't you pretty close to that major chemical explosion?

>>53707492
Unless you got it like that no. But then again I have a friend who works part time selling wind energy and he manages to live downtown so I guess it's possible

If you've ever lived in the shithole that is New York City you would know why it's not worth it
1. You are going to be raped by state and city taxes if you are a high earner. And if you are worth anything, you will be a high earner. Capital gains will be taxed as income so have fun with that
2. Violent niggers that get released as soon as they are arrested. Your taxes will be used to keep them alive and healthy.
3. Retarded leftism and cancel culture
4. New York is obstinately anti-crypto. Your ONLY fiat onramp cex options are Coinbase and Gemini.

>>53707902
I'd imagine the Allenghies would block it off from the mid-atlantic no ?

>>53707915
yea nvm. seems the only major cities that need to be concerned are Cleveland Ohio and Pittsburgh PA.

Philly is on the other side of the state, hundreds of miles away

Depends. If you are a talented and determined individual then you'll be able to capitalize on opportunities you might not get the chance at otherwise, simply due to proximity to so many of the big movers and shakers.

On the other hand the cost of living means you're required to hustle harder, and that can burn some people out. I'm living in Brooklyn and really love it in some ways but there's basically no chance I will ever own property here and the city's energy, while stimulating, can become oppressive at times.

Oh also I've never dated here but my friends have made it sound like a bit of a nightmare.

>>53707902
We're outside of the proposed radius for that. Some of Western PA got hit, but PA is a large state, with the explosion site a full 5.5 hours away from Philly.

You can make 90% of the pay for 25% of the COL and still get all of the benefits/amenities of a major city. I am super bullish on this city long term, we have a long way to go to catch up to say NYC for example.

Obviously do your research on picking the right area.

>>53707913
Still heaven on earth compared to ANY country worth living in in Europe. So fuck that noise.

>>53707492
>>53707583
what kind of subhuman is this

>>53707562
based and living in the back of your truck pilled

>>53707492
Only if you have a serious career there. If you don't your life would be better at any other mid tier city where you would make less but the cost of living would be so much lower.

>>53708097
Fucking retarded nigger youve never been outside of your shithole

>>53707735
Loooooooser

>>53708017
Having lived in Chicago (and grown up in the west burbs, there), Denver, Seattle, Portland, Frisco, and now Philadelphia, Chicago has the least amount of interesting counter culture and underground culture, though. And unlike the east and west coasts, that are full of counter culture, and nearby many other cities, that you can get to in just an hour or two, Chicago is surrounded by nothing but suburbs and corn. There are no mountains. There are no forests (except the tourist trap sliver of Starved Rock three hours out). A bulk of the residents are midwestern suburban in origin, and thus very bland. Your only real options for things to do are:
>shopping
>restaurants
>the same museums over and over
>the same parks over and over
>plays

All that is very nice and all, but without thriving unique subcultures and counter cultures, and what ones that used to exist largely dead and dried up, once walking around the same park 100x gets old, people just become shut in consoomers, just spending countless hours in front of televisions (the midwest, in general). The lack of forests and mountains really sucks, too. It's really only a good city for boomers, bland mildly overweight white collar workers and basedboys, sports fans, and consoomers. Living in a lot of other cities really shows you how lame Chicago is, comparatively. Just bland, overall.

>>53707583
It’s much more normal there, but it’s not great.

>>53708097
Enjoy having only two fiat onramp options and waiting a week for each deposit to clear

>>53707525
This. Also, most people left in 2020 and never went back. Its a ghost town now. Just a bunch of empty investment properties that nobody lives in.

>>53707597
Lmao no one moving to your shithole

>>53708017
Chicago needs a tough on crime republican mayor. This soft on gang bangers bullshit needs to end. If there was any indication that’s gonna happen I’d move there in a heartbeat. I lived there for a summer and every person had a fucked up story about things that had happened to them or people that they knew.

>>53707583
Depends if you have a cool house/apartment and cool roommates, or not. Myself at 35 years old, always city dweller, since post college, and having lived alone on and off, living with roommates or a partner, I think, ultimately, is the wiser decision. Money aside, living alone just gets too depressing, when done for long periods of time. It is nice, now and then, after living with roommates for awhile, but too long, and it just becomes too isolatory and grim.

>>53708232
Chicago needs a fucking nuke.

>>53708189
Dude there is no chance in hell Denver has more culture going on than Chicago. Some of the greatest musicians, artists, authors, and djs in the world live in Chicago. Denver is a bland tech hub.

>>53707583
100x better to live with roommates in Manhattan or Brooklyn than in your own house in the 'burbs.

>>53708258
If you’re talking about access to nature, then you’re definitely right. I wouldn’t really call that culture though.

DUDE i just LOVE the hustle and bustle of the big city, it’s so DYNAMIC and makes me feel like i’m in one of my favourite TV SHOWS. you should totally come on down to my studio apartment, it’s got EXPOSED RED BRICK walls and everything, we can crack open a nice hoppy ipa or three and get crazy watching some cartoons on adult swim! and dude, dude, DUDE, we have GOTTA go down to the barcade- listen here, right, it’s a BAR where us ADULTS who do ADULTING can go DRINK. BUT!!!! it’s also an ARCADE like when we were kids, so we can play awesome VIDEO GAMES, without dumb kids bothering us. speaking of which megan and i have finally decided to tie the knot- literally -we’re both getting snipped tomorrow at the hospital, that way we can save money to spent more on ourselves and our FURBABIES. i’m fuckin JACKED man, i’m gonna SLAM this craft beer and pop open another one!!!

>>53708292
>VIDEO GAMES
cringe

>>53707492
The dream right now is having a wfh manhattan jobs while living in the outer boroughs. You get the manhattan salary without having to deal with the manhattan traffic and CoL, but still have access to all of NYC's amenity whenever you want.

Its why Manhattan real estate is down, while the outer boroughs is going up.

>>53708232
>If there was any indication that’s gonna happen I’d move there in a heartbeat.
Vallas is leading in the polls right now, pray to god he's elected.

"Good luck living in your expensive shoebox"

- PoorAsShitAnon from Date Rape, Louisiana

Big cities are worth it. You make more money, meet interesting people of all stripes. Statistically, you will make more friends, and date more people. There are so many reasons people want to live there and thus expensive. Don't listen to people who never left home.

>>53708320
No girl is going to go home with you to the outer boroughs.

>>53708337
Its good if you already own property

Financially speaking, no. Getting laid speaking, maybe. Remember you still have to be able to make friends and navigate the social scene, if anything it just gets harder when you're surrounded by rich people and socialites.

>>53708342
There are women living in the outer boroughs too bro

>>53708480
careful, you might blow his feeble mind

Cities are playgrounds for people with money. If you make 250K+ you can live in a city and have a great time. Everyone else is part of a sort of underclass that makes sacrifices to live there for whatever reason. As someone who started out in a major city making 50K I was legit poor which blew my mind. Like living with people on welfare poor. Even though I was making a "decent" wage by average US standards. I have worked my way up to 250K and I can pretty much take advantage of everything the city has to offer now. Expensive restaurants, travel (incl. trains since it's the northeast corridor), spas, art, etc. are not out of reach. But I have a lot of acquaintances that are broke and basically cannot do any of this stuff and just work all the time. NYC is just at the top of what that 'floor' for comfortable income is. I like Philadelphia actually and it has a significantly lower floor on comfortable income in exchange for some trades offs, but it's easy to Amtrak into NYC if you wanted...

>>53708189

I disagree with you that Chicago sucks but because it's basically a midwest city it is cut off in a way and distinctly missing the connection to its closest neighbors in the northeast corridor which adds a lot of value to places like Philadelphia and even Baltimore. It makes up with it through significantly lower COL though considering the size/job opportunities

imagine picking a shithole american city instead of somewhere cozy like amsterdam

>>53708189

Can you describe what this magical coastal "counter culture" is, anon? Do you mean more drugs, or just tranny freaks walking around everywhere? Lol

>>53707525
Fpbp; also dating scene here is atrocious. You have better luck in other states

>>53708572

Incel philosophy around 'dating scenes' is so annoying. What gets you laid in Kansas City is not going to get you laid in NYC. What gets you laid in NYC is not gonna get you laid in San Francisco. If you live in Texas and are a Texas cowboy type person you probably won't have a ton of luck getting laid easily in NYC considering they're going to want someone who is a little more metropolitan. And that's true conversely as well. It's a read the room sort of situation. Depending on your personality and style if you're looking for best dating prospects you need to kind of match the culture of where you're going. Love to go to the beach, and tan, and show off at the pool? Probably want to go to Miami instead of Denver. It's about that simple...

>>53708628

We are on 4chan. The average guy, and I'd be willing to be describes ~80% of the user base here, is somewhat quiet/reserved, makes a modest income, might have a few friends but isn't a socialite type, kind of sits in the corner and observes whenever in a loud social setting like a club or bar.

If you're this kind of person and are struggling to pick up chicks in smaller towns/cities, basically tutorial mode dating scenes, you are not going to be doing any better in NYC going up against Giga Chad, Richboy Shlomowitz and friends. That is just a patent fantasy.

>>53708554

Having lived in midwest whole life, and in chicago for awhile, I can see his point in that the area is comprised of midwest people and thus a little plain. It isn't a bad thing but nothing here stands out to me as cutting edge or hip. The club scene won't blow your mind and while there are a lot of attractive people it isn't like a Miami or Atlanta where everyone is strutting their stuff 24/7.

I personally really like it because it's pretty chill. I don't find the CoL to be bad at all. Great restaurants everywhere, great bar scenes, more than enough live events to go to. I'd say this is one of the few decent sized cities I'd be comfortable raising a family in.

>>53708683

I don't disagree, but also I feel like biz is full of weirdo 'graduated-from-trailer-trash' small business owner types that are used to being big fish small pond type people. You're right, a place like NYC destroys those types of personalities because not only are they the poor person in the room again but they're also totally uninteresting to everyone. that's why you get incel rage over big cities

>>53708686
all those words and you still didn't answer his question... it puzzles me too desu
no one can apparently explain this vague notion of "coastal counter culture"

>>53708709

Then what he's describing is flamboyance and exoticism, not counter-culture. I've been to both coasts and there isn't anything remarkably cutting edge there, showboating and foreigners though? Sure. Chicago is on an island and that's going to be limiting.

>>53707525
This. It's worth it if you're in the 1%, otherwise it becomes questionable and more a question of what things are you willing to sacrifice.

>>53708709

whoops, meant >>53708727 for >>53708686

>>53708727

I've always thought of counter-culture and grunge and art type scenes. You typically only get these types of communities developing in cheaper locations. DC is a great example - when it was still chocolate city it had an amazing punk scene. However, as the city is being gentrified and 'cleaned up' (it's pretty sterile now, if not a lot safer) these communities are priced out and move away (punk moved out partially to Baltimore for example). I would find it hard to believe Chicago doesn't have some counterculture communities because it's actually much cheaper to live there than most major cities, and I do think that's the major driving factor. I think NYC is even falling victim to this where most of the interesting counter-culture stuff has been kicked out to further and further boroughs as people are priced out. This is literally when Starbucks and Chase take over all the storefronts and you lose your long-time dive bars, music venues, comedy places, etc. to corporate BS

>>53707492
>The social/dating scene seems amazing.
Imagine being this much of a braindead nigger kike.

I bet you took the "vaccine".

>>53708480
Not too many 10s though.

>>53708850
>the only worthwhile way to live your life is to be on the computer 24/7 and remain a virgin and this lifestyle is purely by choice and not because no one wants to be around me nigger kike faggot reeeeeeee
alright little buddy!

>>53708628
>women in NYC love balding 5'6 Indian janitors but women in Kansas City don't it all depends on where you live bro

>>53709183

i dont think the jeet spammers on this board hocking these dumb dog coins living in mumbai are rage posting in nyc threads as they're too busy spamming their gay ass discord and telegram groups but whatever you say

Ok, time for one of you larpers to show us your "Sick NYC apartment" and prove a body count.

>>53707492
>The social/dating scene seems amazing
>being friends with literal faggots
>dating blacked roasties who never want to have a family
Yeah, truly amazing

>>53708942
no one ever said this though

>>53707492
Unless you're a literal 9/10 6'5 chad with an income of at least $300k a year, you're not going to get a single woman to even look in your direction in nyc.

I would instead consider Shanghai

>>53707492
No. It's fucking hell on earth.

>>53709357
because people like that guy will never explicitly say what they do want their "ideal" life to look like (it would probably be some pathetic impossible larp shit) so all i can go by is how they actually do live, which is spending 12 hours a day on the computer

>>53708554
Examples of things that I found in Philadelphia, that found either severly lacking or dying, in Chicago:

>40 year old anime club (not college associated)
>active cycling scene, with social groups doing monthly full moon bike rides, forest rides, night rides ending up at bars, etc.
>a large amount of underground and indie film festivals
>Philadelphia Psychotronic Film Society, showing weird as arthouse movies every two weeks, as well as a huge number of arthouse cinemas
>4 active Food Not Bombs groups
>active hacker book store throwing constant events
>active tool library, doing routine free home repair classes
>active collective run bookstore
>The Photographic Society of Philadelphia
>multiple large weekly table top game meetups, not affiliated with a game store
>big indie horror film community
>tons of food coops
>multiple large, since the 1800's open air markets
>very active mycological associations, etc., doing weekly foraging outings in the warm seasons
>huge old growth forest park in the city proper (Fairmount Park), as well as many hiking groups
>active zine fests, small literature, etc., comparable to Chicago
>active small theater community comparable to Chicago
>over 40 active house, basement, warehouse, forest, etc. spots, for local underground music
>active underground electronic scene, where all the cool Chicago spots have closed or are closing
>active environmental groups that do more than just lib shit Greenpeace sign holding
>blunt, honest people, instead of passive aggressive, holier than though, like in Chicago

>>53707525

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V1tX8Fa_HE

This man lives in NYC on only $22,000 a year and is literally happier than the majority of people with six-figure jobs.

And it's not just him acting for the camera because there's people in the comments who met him in real life and say he's one of the best people ever.

If you practice self-care, work at keeping your mental health positive, and learn to live within your means and appreciate the simple things in life, like just sitting in the park and talking with a friend or reading a book, over being obsessed with owning the latest and greatest gadgets, you don't need a six-figure job to live in NYC.

>>53707492
I got my career started because of a weekend I spent in NYC. I know broke incel faggots on biz will shit on it but if you're there for the right reasons and around the right people you can change your life. Don't go there to to just spend all your money on rent and drugs though.

>>53708800
>You typically only get these types of communities developing in cheaper locations

This. That's why Frisco has become "out," while Philly is becoming "in." Frisco has been almost fully gentrified. So many of the cool spots, from hackerspaces to houses, are gone. Philly has a lot of poverty, it has a lot of crime. It's also only 100 mins out of NYC and the cost of living is cheap as shit. There is a certain lawlessness to the city. There is a lot of nature around here. You can get away a lot of "semi-legal" or "mildly illegal" with shit, and afford living here. All this brings in creative and "radical" youth and folk to this city, looking to do things besides work the 9-5. And hence, you get a lot of that art and punk scene (over 40 active house venues here now). You get 4 active Food Not Bombs groups. You get a collective run anarchist bookstore. You get a lot of huge houses, full of people, doing art, riding bikes instead of driving, involved in a lot of punk and community shit. You get spaces and groups open and running since the mid 80's and 90's, that are still going strong.

Chicago used to have this. The lower west side, in the Little Village community, had a huge punk scene and anarchist community. You also had a very large art warehouse/burner-esc underground psytrance, goa, etc., electronic music scene. Other similar communities, as well. But over time, more and more spots closed, and unlike with Philly, where people moved there, and opened new stuff, in Chicago, people are all moving away, and so things are just dying, or dead.

>>53707492
At what age range is the sex scavenging and generally socialite lifestyle supposed to be prioritized? I've been to Manhattan/prime Brooklyn plenty and lived there for a spell but the night life crowd seems to be averaging up in age and there's lots of post 30+ y/o cope about how
>age is just a number
>life starts at 30
>I got way more cash and gash in my 30s than 20s
but there is way too much emphatic emotion put into the sloganeering to really buy the pitch. Regardless, when are you supposed to move in at the youngest and subsequently buzz off once you've passed expiration or undeniably become
>too old

>>53707735
>pay some Jew $3000 a month just so I can say I live in New York
You realize you can buy a condo for less than 200k in like queens(and I dont mean super fucking east still around tons of subway stops) around no niggers and pay like 4/900$ in condo fees which basically cover everything right? You realize most of newyork is CO-OP condos so if you make above 25$/hr you just buy a place and resell it for a tiny profit due to co-op pricing laws. NYC isn't just manahattan.

Co-OP condos also keep niggers away.

>>53708241
You write sentences like a stroke victim

>>53707577
checked
underrated post

>>53707492

NYC is a shit hole and , despite what coping citycels will tell you, there really isn’t that much to do outside of “muh restaurants” and “this new cocktail bar just opened and is X themed!”

I live in rural Michigan but used to live in NYC, and life has so many more possibilities now. Will say NYCis great in your 20s if you want to sleep around and do the cliche big city experience

But in terms of living a rewarding lifestyle and yes even building wealth, you’re better off other places

>>53710173

Realistically the sexcapades is for your 20s. If you’re in your 30s and your hobbies still revolve around getting laid, bars, clubs, drugs etc you’re a loser.

The big city life is great for people to postpone adulthood by a decade. You basically can relive college years in a Chicago or NYC for another 10 years, it’s great. But damn it’s sad if you are mid 30s still doing that with nothing to show for it

>>53710908
>>53710999

Damn I feel like it’s too late for me but I could probably pull it off financially. I am 29, make 300k in tech near DC, own a SF House here (suburbs). I kinda regret not moving to the city when I was earlier in my 20’s, I was too focused on wanting to buy a house asap. It’s paid off financially, I’m on the property ladder, but being here is so fucking boring. I would also much rather live in NYC than DC. If I’m gonna do the city life it’s go big or go home. Maybe I should rent out my house and move to the big shitty but I’ll be like 30 by the time that happens

>>53709545
>rent stabilized

>>53710999
checked. That makes sense, I could also see why you'd stay in NYC if you had a social circle to do things with as you matured and felt like you got a lot out of your system.

>>53709545

people who live in the middle of nowhere think sitting in one of their 7 rooms in their house is a hobby. instead of, you know, going outside. having a walk. visiting a park. going to a museum. that's the fundamental difference between someone who thinks having a big house means 'freedom.' the freedom to sit on your couch, then sit in your dining room, then go into your sunroom. to people like this his home is a place to sleep and rest in between other things he does. having a big place of living just encourages you to stay in. i'd prefer to be motivated to leave

>>53707580
Sounds like OP needs a new pitcher for his butthole every night.

>>53711145

worse places to be than dc man. you can always ride literally a 1.5 hr train to philly or 3 hr train to nyc every weekend if you hate it that much. most of the country doesnt even have access to transportation infrastructure like that.

>>53708939
Why is someone on /biz/ talking about dating 10s like he's ever done better than a 4 lmao

>>53712640
This. It's the boomer trap. Work your ass off to own a big house, then buy four televisions, three couches, fifteen different chairs. You can only sit in one chair at a time, though. And the more you work at your lackluster job, the more tired you become. Old habbits fade. Friendships vanish. And at the end of it, you just end up with a ton of crap, no meaning in your life, in some rural or suburban Hell, fat and unhealthy. Then work, television, cell phone, on repeat, until death.

The city, conversely, provides large social circles. There are places you can take classes at. There are festivals and conventions of like minds where you can trade ideas and make new friends. You can join a club or go to some weekly meetup to meet new folk. You can go out and dance with others, or watch a sportsball game with fellow fans. If one community slows are feels dried up, there are a dozen more to explore. There is more to life than just work, mini malls, and your house.

And as such, so often a house becomes a prison, if in a shit area, where the house is just an island. I'd much rather rent, and keep my possessions low, and stack fat savings, than own some boomer cuck shack in bufu.

>>53707492
no

>>53712640
Seems rather stockholm syndrome-ish. I finally moved out of my mom's house at 30. It's a 3bdr single family tract house in a cookie-cutter suburb, but I still enjoy finally having separate rooms for eating, sleeping, and gaming. I am still pretty motivated to go outside and socialize. Getting my own place / bigger space didn't change that. I just get to spread out more whenever I get back home and just want to relax.

Yes it is, even if you're a poofag. You can find a good deal on a room (yes with roommates) if you know what do look for. Even in a nice neighborhood, you just have to have an IQ north of 100. As far as dating, you can meet plenty of different types, depending what you go for. One night stands probably easier to get, if you're desperate you can just marry a foreigner and help them get a citizenship. They love you long time. Even then there are nice things to occupy you, plenty of niches. Four seasons too is kino; Fallis comfy, Winter, harsh, but blissful, Spring, beautiful, but short, Summer hot af, but plenty of free parties, and eye candy. Central Park also hosts free concerts in the summer. Saw Herbie Hancock last summer for free, that shit was kino, top five concert, and it was free. But yes if you're rich it's basically Disney World with 100x more drugs and sex

>>53707492
Its great to live there while young. but then leave and have your family somewhere else. Don't listen to 4chan incels who have never been on a date and live in mommys basement here

>>53707902
Based retarded anon

>>53712792
It's easy to date 10s in you live in NYC. That's the whole point.

>>53707873
Imagine living in suburbs with your kids, sounds unbearable. I would pick living with hot zoomerettes in NYC every day.

>>53709365
Please explain more sir. Visiting in April and want to compare HK, Shanghai and NYC.

Cost and Dating life in Lima PE or other Latam hubs is unbelievable but way too far away from action workwise

The majority of wealthy and successful men in big metropolitan cities like New York and London end up getting married young as they know it's far easier to focus on making money when your home life is sorted. The dating scene you fantasise about is mostly found in films and TV shows. Of course, there will be a handful of men in their early 30s making 500k+ a year in a big corporation who are banging multiple hot chicks a week, but these are a minority. Dating is a lot more resource intensive than you probably think, emotionally, time-wise, and financially.
The most common path seems to be getting married young, having kids, and then starting to enjoy the dating scene after you inevitably divorce in your early 40s.

>>53707597
People talk shit about homeless people in SF and NYC but Philadelphia is terrible.
At least SF homeless are mostly druggie burnouts. The philadelphia ones are criminals to the bone

>>53707492
I lived in Williamsburg for five years in my mid twenties. I liked going to shows but I had trouble meeting women. It got worse once Covid hit. Now things are better now but I have a degenerate alcoholism problem, so I am focusing on fixing that.
I am tired though and moving into Connecticut soon.

>>53710999
>The big city life is great for people to postpone adulthood by a decade. You basically can relive college years in a Chicago or NYC for another 10 years,
Basically this. Average age at clubs and shows is definitely older, I'd say like 29.

>>53707492
all the posts in this thread miss the main point of moving to nyc
the whole "hustle and bustle" meme lives rent free in their head but the real reason people move here is because there's money and opportunity
More positions that pay more money than anywhere else.
Oh you got a good paying job in some low cost of living suburb in Wisconsin? Good for you. But you just filled 1 of maybe 3 positions available. In NYC the job market is limitless.

>>53713734
no it isn’t dumbass there aren’t enough good jobs to go around anywhere anymore it’s over

>>53707492
>The social/dating scene seems amazing.
is this bait?

>>53707492
I lived there 5 years as a starving real estate agent and now I moved back home to a small town to take over my families multi million pound business. I actually think I was more happy in NY and want to go back after I have money. I had a gf for two years, she was litterally just a customer that emailed me and asked me out for a coffee. Tinder is far easier, I had girls I was talking to and they were litterally 100m away from me and we met in a park much easier to go from talking to meeting vs small towns where you have to find some bar or restaurant to go to and then once you’re done you have to get back in cars.
Much more to enjoy and do, living in a small town is comedically the opposite almost like I got what I wished for. Making much more money I’m one of the richest in the area now and is more relaxing and less busy but it quickly becomes boring and feeling like you’re trapped in a fish tank. What is the point in having a lambo here? I generally wouldn’t want to drive round in a lambo where the weather is shit and everyone is poor

You can live 20 mins from Manhattan for like 700-1k with a roommate or you can go a little further away from that horrid wasteland and spend even less. People saying rent is xyz high price are retarded hipsters who didn’t grow up here. I could walk out the door tomorrow and get a better place than these retard women mostly who will pay anything especially paying a ton to live in the fucking ghetto. Dating scene in NY is awful because the most awful people from every state move here to feed their ego. Half the locals are ghetto thots who will run you dry and the other half are either married or career girls looking for someone making even more than them. Most of the good girls my age bracket have long been off the market and the annoying bitches posting on social media all day are the only ones still single. Come here at your own risk. If anything and your smart move to the middle of Queens and not the the dumb that is LIC of Astoria.

>>53709365
>>53713424
You might be able to date, but you're going to have a harder time finding love. I find that chinese women are more materialistic and competitive than americans. I'd check out singapore, more chinese and usa businesses will be setting up operations there as tensions between the powers worsen. Will be plenty of opportunities for people who can work with both cultures.

>>53715103
Sorry, can you clarify what your last sentence means?

>>53713342
Where you from kid

>>53712795
ok be in all seriousness ranking all these cities which has the most desirable women?

>>53709545
KYS TRANNY MR POTATO HEAD

>>53707492
Fool you are just a pervert. 2 pump champ.
I want to get settled down in Swiss especially in a city called Lugano where I can buy anything and everything with crypto. Financial freedom and melow people.

>>53707562
That's the West, anon. The midwest is flat.

>>53715477
The economy of the globe is not very good. I personally think paying with crypto and adopting crypto for payments is the wise decision as the world is moving towards that. Soon we can pay with Fiat and Crypto under one roof.

>>53715371
miami. or a large college town.

>>53715232
Sorry auto correct. Move the middle of Queens. Plenty of public transit, nice basement apartments, condos, plenty of shopping avenues and night life. The place where you will meet the worst people is closer to manhattan. People move to Astoria or LIC which are both dumps and think “I live in queens” when in reality they live in an extension of Manhattan or what’s basically an extension of hipster culture. Go places hipster faggots don’t and you’ll be fine. The closer you move to place fsggots like to hang out the more expensive. I mean this literally as they have shorter lives and more disposable income which means they’re willing to pay extra for no reason.

>it means don’t move anywhere that there’s huge apartment buildings or skyscrapers

>>53715419
>mellow people
>Switzerland
you're in for a treat

>>53715419
Mellow? Mountain jews are not mellow, and are especially hostile to foreigners as they should be.
>>53715681
Keep out faggot, we are full. The Spanish, White and Asian gangs will target and rob all yuppie parasites, as part of a gentleman's agreement. The same was conducted and still is against niggers and jews to this day.

>>53707492
Miami is better. Women are more beautiful, not as stuck up and the weather is phenomenal. Plenty of shit to do downtown too if you just gotta have skyscrapers to gawk at

>>53715766
Swiss is a peace loving country and I think they are step ahead of all country. So it makes sense to me more over living a life by paying with crypto is just so convenient.

>>53715927
Are we being infiltrated by some illiterate AI? I read this twice and I still can't make it out.

>>53715927
Swiss is a Templar MIC Colony State. Shut the fuck up you illeterate nigger subhuman, you can't even discern the grammar in English. How the fuck are you supposed to learn Alemannisch dialects?
>>53716094
It's a subhuman third world parasite.

>>53715804
>miami
>not as stuck up
I want to believe this. Met some cute fun latinas when I visited wynwood.

>>53715804
Can Bongs get easy pussy here?

>>53716200
Anyone can. I fucking love it there. Tons of Euros walking around south beach.

>>53715371
You just need to find one good woman brainlet, any city/town works

>>53715804
How much is to buy an apartment say 20-30min from Miami?

>>53707525
>if you make over 200k a year
Those who earned >200k had already moved to Vermont.

>>53707492
Degenerates like you are the reason rent is so high in those cities. Subhumans who are comfortable living paycheck to paycheck while earning 6 figures. Please go there and enslave yourself to a landlord schmuck who inherited an apartment.

>>53708709
>biz is full of weirdo 'graduated-from-trailer-trash' small business owner types that are used to being big fish small pond type people.
holy shit /biz/ chuds utterly btfo

>>53713635
Like most any major American city, the homeless, crime, etc., is highly segregated, though. I live in South Philly. It's mostly old Italian families. I have never see homeless or even black people here. Its an extremely quiet and clean neighborhood, while also very cheap, due to being further out from downtown. Its also only an 8 min bike ride from the much hipper areas around Passyunk and South Street and 20 mins bike to downtown.

>>53714630
You're a mis-informed doomer. I'm 35. I've been out of school 14 years. I barely worked any jobs in my field (tech) since graduating, mostly just doing part time shit work (ex. street canvassing) and traveling a lot. Despite this, whenever I wanted to stack my savings, its never taken me more than 3 weeks to get a job in tech, even with the huge resume gaps, etc.. And when, in 2020, I wanted to "get more serious" with things, I only needed to self teach web dev for 3 months, then once again apply 3 weeks, before I got a $98k job, which is now $123k job. Our company is also desperate for new developers, with the pickings still extremely thin for good devs. You just think there are no opportunities because you are a self defeating incel who can't interact with people properly. You never succeed because you never try, and if you do try, you quit quickly.

>>53707492
>The social/dating scene seems amazing

>>53707902
Sshhh goy I mean guy. Didn’t you see the UFOs? Let’s talk about that instead

>>53708292
Based pasta
>>53708306
Newfag spotted

>>53717855
cringe

>>53708337
>>53708337
I have lived all around the world. Big cities, small towns, Asian countries, European countries, Middle Eastern countries. I would not trade flyover America for any of it, even with all its faults. I like nature though, so big cities aren’t really an option in my mind (even after having seen the “benefits” to them). Different strokes for different folks though.

>>53712795

Dumbass post is dumbass

You must be no older than 25. Because after almost a decade all those “festivals” and “clubs” become same old tiring bullshit, surface level amenities with nothing deeper

And your social circle? No more intelligent either. Just more elitist, but are just as NPC hand to mouth of what media tells them as the average country yokel


I can do more in a week in rural areas than you can do in a year in a city lmao.

>>53707492
>full of jews
>full of niggers
>full of of inmigrants from countries you never heard of
>there a ghetto and gang for every nationality
>all is expensive
>even rich people live in commieblocks
>mafia is involved in politics and the stock market
>quality and safety laws are designed to fuck small businesses making it almost impossible to start a businesses legally

>>53707492
>The social/dating scene seems amazing.

Appearances are decieving anon

>>53718702
The fact is that emptiness awaits anyone who doesn't have children or find some reproduction-adjacent pastime, like mentoring and charitable work. We're programmed to pursue the furthering of our genetic material, whether by direct reproduction or by improving the lives of our tribe members. We're programmed to feel empty and frustrated if we don't pursue these goals.

>>53707492
Only Manhattan is extremely expensive. Parts of Brooklyn can be very expensive too. If you're doing hybrid remote or don't mind a longer commute, there are tons of adjacent areas with cheap housing. Staten Island, NJ, Queens etc. have cheaper housing than a lot of cities and have a lot to offer there as well. There's far more culture to consume in some random suburb on Long Island than an entire "city" like Austin. Public transportation is also good, with trains going quite far. The crime rates are some of the best in the country. The only thing that sucks is all the regulatory bullshit. I think you can escape most of it by living in NJ instead. I don't live in NYC and never have, but I've probably spent hundreds of hours comparing different locations in my pursuit of finding the best place to live and I'm strongly considering it. I'm a bit worried about what the people might be like. I'm not sure if the NA wokeness is as bad as the internet makes it seem.

>>53713031
Dutch anon on Pol pointed out the lie in that photo. That photo implies that middle America is one giant spraeled strip mall but when you pull back you see its actually an island of civilization im wilderness

>>53713342
>Oh noe I camt hear the crack head on the street or my neighbors fight. Unbearable!

>>53709480
B00kmarked

>>53715766
Nigger I’ve lived in Queens my entire life. Wtf are you going on about. No one is gonna rob you even in the most ghetto places. This isn’t the 70s

>>53715419
Based take. DId you know there are a lot of rich Norwegians moving to Lugano now? Norway introduced new socialist laws like higher inheritance taxes.

>>53707492
I live here for family. That's it. My son has four grandparents. The minute the last one passes on to the pearly gates we're moving as far away from this cursed city that God forgot.

>>53707492
I think I’m gonna get an apartment in West Village. Although the recent talk on this board of getting something in Queens for cheaper is something I need to research. My buddy lives in Astoria and says it’s 10 minutes to Manhattan from his apartment. That’s nothing

>>53720414
Also, my main residence is in a comfy SEC college town in the south. So this would just be an investment property that I go to every month for a few days

>>53708628
>Incel philosophy around 'dating scenes' is so annoying. What gets you laid in Kansas City is not going to get you laid in NYC. What gets you laid in NYC is not gonna get you laid in San Francisco. If you live in Texas and are a Texas cowboy type person you probably won't have a ton of luck getting laid easily in NYC considering they're going to want someone who is a little more metropolitan. And that's true conversely as well. It's a read the room sort of situation. Depending on your personality and style if you're looking for best dating prospects you need to kind of match the culture of where you're going. Love to go to the beach, and tan, and show off at the pool? Probably want to go to Miami instead of Denver. It's about that simple...
I can tell you’re a roastie living in NYC because my post triggered your sorry ass. There’s better quality women in other states than there is in NYC. I would have a infinitely better pool in Miami than here. NYC is literally a cesspool of shitty women, either looks or personality or both. I have no issues getting laid, I have issues finding a decent woman here; and so do other men. There’s a reason why men here don’t want to date women in this city despite being outnumbered 3:1

>>53719431
america is honestly pretty desolate until you get within a few hundred miles of the coasts

>>53720414
Fuck off we're full