/biz/ - Business & Finance

Just like how Arbitrum will be using Chainlink varifable randomness, right marines? Lol. Lmao even.

>>53515572
trying to understand what this means
does it mean it's basically ready to launch but they just need to vote first?

https://docs.aave.com/developers/whats-new/portal
no mention of chainlink here
what the actual fuck

this faggot was shilling aave portals powered by ccip in FALL OF 2021
now he's deleted those tweets

>>53515505
Because smartcontract are inept and missed every fucking deadline

>>53515505
They fucked up again

chainshitlabs dropped the ball again

>>53515706
Anyone with an aavegotchi pfp is a 90% down moron

>>53515597
>In terms of the infrastructure for Portals, the current roadmap is to have a V0 and V1. The V0 being just credit lines using trust assumption. So whitelist entities such as bridges, such as market makers, that can basically mint a-tokens out of thin air in the context of credit lines and they are incentivised to replenish their credit line so it's portable. This is “just in time” cross-chain liquidity on any market where AAVE is in exchange of paying an interest rate to the protocol.
aave comprises of many different components, one of which is portals, which will be powered by ccip. portals is currently at v0 and will go to v1 with ccip.
https://alphapls.substack.com/p/the-buildooooooor-marc-zeller-of

>>53515997
He’s an aave dev

>>53515706
because the fatfuck betrayed him, like he betrayed everyone

>>53516012
Just two more years, right?

>>53516012
>CCIP is a myth it does not exist
wtf CCIP bros

I want the last five years of my life back

>>53516083
use your knowledge and interest for something good rather than sitting here going crazy
hackathons have been the path for many to escape this spot, including me

>>53516133
Dude they lied to us, several times
It’s one thing to take a long ass time to deliver
It’s another to say something is imminent leading people to hold and lose money
And I say that as someone who took profit
It’s unreal the degree to which they’ve fucked with us

>>53516158
sell

>>53516165
>d-dont fud my bag

>>53516165
you sell bulgarian

>>53516180
>>53516184
chastity cuckold discord in full force

sell

>>53516158
we're in a bear, none of it matters
no one is going to notice ccip being released, how long have you been around? it will just be another technical blogpost no one will get

>>53516158
also the only "lie" was ccip by the end of 2022, i don't know where else they have lied?

>>53516271
>another technical blogpost
Bro if you like technical blogposts boy are you in for a treat.

Not one part or two parts but five parts and counting of what some analysts are calling Dahlia Malkhi's Magnum Opus.

https://blog.chain.link/vole-based-interactive-commitments/

Enjoy! XD

>>53516271
once again, aave was dangling ccip powered portals in the FALL OF 2021
I'm not just talking about the present moment
I'm talking about the immensity of the failure of the present moment in the greater context of how much they've fucked the community

>>53516340
well that was marc zeller who isn't even a dev (always be wary of anyone with strategy in their job title)
i think he got excited about the smartcon announcement in 2020 and started hyping it. he probably deleted his posts when he got word about how far away it could be
anyway that has nothing to do with the chainlink team

>>53516483
2021*

>>53516332
yeah i'd love to know what that stuff has with chainlink's core goals

>>53516483
yes, he did delete his posts
fucking coward
it's fucking wrong for someone working at a protocol that's had a close relationship with chainlink to be dangling the imminent release of one of their most anticipated products as the price is catering from 30 to 5
how many thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars did the chainlink community lose because of him
and then to have Sergey release a fucking video saying it's coming 2022 and it doesn't?
fuck these fucking people dude
my sincere advice to any chainlink employees that might be reading this is that you seriously consider hiring far more security for this year's Smartcon

>>53516083
>even og’s are demoralized
Kek biz is so fucking retarded. Imagine getting outperformed heavily by Reddit and still acting all smug

>>53516649
It’s probably going to be remote

>>53516483
>>53516501
how is it that 90% of the times you post you make some error that requires another post to correct. how does it feel being this retarded? is it the vaccine? do you blame the vaccine for your stupidity or does this just come naturally to you?

Anyways this Vector Oblivious Linear Evaluation seems to be a more efficient public key crypto fangled thing.
The prover and the verifier are blind as to what "w" is in OLE. They simply do not know. It reminds me of Lady Justice dishing out the Law oblivious as to who the parties are. Lady Justice's tits pic related.

In VOLE they want to generate M=K–R⋅Δ
They use the memeworthy triangle triforce symbol to denote the global key.
>The security of VOLE protocol requires that each party has no information regarding the values that are received by the other party.
and this type of Zero Knowledge Proof seems to be quick to generate and inexpensive something which I thought was a major pitfall of ZK adoption
>the average time to generate one VOLE correlation is less than 20 nanoseconds
But they do not reveal the math that defines VOLE that's for the next blogpost!

Imagine if they had discovered a better way to generate keys that involves the LINK network. Ari was working on a type of social retrieval mechanism if you lost your tezor in some sort of Jaws type incident. Really makes me think but of course ideas at ChainlinkLabs are a dime a dozen and they equate to a pretty pathetic token price so who gives?

Goddamn it I fucking love blogposts.

>>53516649
>dump more tokens to hire security
Expensive idea. just recruit some muscle heads from patrick's and eric's gym.

>>53516675
who's acting smug?
certainly not me
I'm just fucking pissed off, and I'm pissed off on other's behalf as well
I took profit on the way up and the way down and I have a decent chunk of change that I cashed out
but it's not even just this
it's bacor, it's celsius, it's ftx
the list just goes on and on and on
it's not fucking right and honestly they aren't called out enough
if they'd had a problem with what the aave dev was saying, they could have told him to shut the fuck up
when I'm reading someone from a project that's been one of chainlink's biggest and most successful integrations saying a product drop is imminent, why should I doubt that
why should I assume it's not coming for over a fucking year?

I wouldnt be surprised to see a mass shooting at Smartcon one of these years

>>53516738
Are you the guy on twitter that was recommending jonny body armor products because that was fucking hilarious I had a solid kek at that. I hope he rugs you fags again and again for body armor, vicious canines, and hires a soccer hooligan firm to protect him. Imagine jonny showing up to smartcon23 decked out in protective equipment like some based pimp

>>53516795
no but I'm getting to that point

>By comparison, existing, additively homomorphic non-interactive commitments often rely on public-key operations, which results in large computational overhead for commit-and-open operations. The VOLE-based commitment scheme trades non-interactiveness for efficient, lightweight computation.
So we get cheaper proofs and more interactiveness using VOLE over the more traditional public key cryptographic proofs?
Cheaper is good. What is the purpose of generating cheaper interactive keys containing information unknown to the prover and the verifier?
I think I will re-read the recent Ari post. The one with the IC3 guys. I wonder if that relates directly to using Chainlink nodes to perform these more advanced type of operations. Because that's what this is screaming to me. This is the next gen math that will define chainlink node capabilities in the future key generation and key retrieval / recovery

>>53516738
Bad actor Fraud ponzi scams are the fault of chainlink OKAY? Aave dev speculator engagement farmer was chainlinks Fault OKAAAY. I recognize your writing Thomas. You shouldnt have put your precious bags into Bancor. I smell your despair cope and anger. Bring out your cuckcage folder.

>>53516855
I can't wait for the state of the art tech that the team have purchased using your money to subdue you in a way you cant even begin to imagine when you get a bit violent at smartcon23. Rumor has it that Sergey's laptop is advanced military grade transformer tech that literally transforms into a robot to ass fuck you in front of every one while you scream no no stop it amd every one laughs. Yeah you better be scared pal

>>53516903
i think your post about ass fucking was much more coherent then then ones about cryptography. you should stick to that

>>53515572
>varifable randomness
The ESL is strong with this one

>>53516549
see >>53516878 I forgot to click your post. Advanced oracle functionality. Essentially key generation and retrieval are fetching data type requests. Maybe they are on chain maybe they are off chain. Who knows? I don't think this distinction is as important moving forward. You have some event that requires data to be packaged in some way or access granted to a particular entity. Seems like a job for oracles. I don't want to say too much more. I'm waiting for the geniuses on Twitter to give me their hot take. Chainlinkgod hot take nao go go go

>>53516953
>i think
And where is your explanation or speculation as to what in the seven holy fucks they are planning with this new cryptographic research?

by the by proof not promises is much better than truth>trust well done whoever thought that one up. I suggest dumping LINK to pay a bonus who's with me?

https://blog.chain.link/proof-of-reserves-must-reads/
this is a cool article. Of course it would be even cooler if you fags could sell the product to real users like insolvent cex exchanges! Just kidding! hahahahaha

see I think I am thinking along the right lines
https://chainlinktoday.com/chainlink-labs-chief-scientist-ari-juels-makes-the-case-for-private-key-management-with-deco/
but they need the VOLE to make the ZK operations cheap enough to be viable to use. The problem with blockchains is they require a lot of writing. Every tx has a payload that needs to be carried and the carriers are not cheap so they have to lighten the burden by constructing cheaper proofs. Fool proof key generation and retrieval powered by the chainlink oracle network.
I like how each advancement has different teams thinking in greater and greater circles or layers. My circle is bigger than yours so I eat you!

Maybe Ari and Dahlia had to consult with the real brains behind the research division on this one, chainlinkgod the frog prince lmao and that's why he has not given us his hot take just yet. what a shame

how is it that this is thread that inspires honest discussion about the tech
whenever I start those no one fucking engages
godfuckingdamn I'm in a bad mood today
RAAAAAAAAAAAAA

The silence itt will continue for some time now before a series of posts continue the thread but they will ignore my speculations because they are idiots used to being able to censor voices they do not understand hahahaha

>>53517139
I'm a brainlet...so is the announcement in the OP good or bad for link?

>>53517178
basically you are less of a nigger than you claim to be, my nigger.

contribute or die.

>>53517188
checked. if its not ready its not ready. Aave have some features available they launch but it is like chainlink launching v0.1 its not a "real" product as advertised it is a part of the intended release.

Patrick leaving to do auditing as a pseudo third party tells me that that's where the workload is now. They need auditors for code. I hope you can comprehend my words

here is Ari Juels suggesting users or "Johns" as he calls them eliciting the help of "prostitutes" for "services"
>“It’s nice to be able to rely on friends and family as your virtual help desk for this purpose. Nicer still, though, is the ability also to enlist the help of the pros, the websites we use on a daily basis and already rely on for strong, usable authentication. With DECO, it’s possible in principle to do so in a privacy-preserving way with any site of your choosing.”
Not sure how this involves the Chainlink Oracle network but it sounds raunchy and sex sells so I hope this sells a few LINK tokenz

>>53517228
>I hope you can comprehend my words
May you please elaborate more?

>>53517228
>if its not ready its not ready
this doesn't really cut it though
the price was 27.58 on January 9th 2022
that's almost a 4x from where we are now
they lied to us to get us to hold
it's one thing for the team to not comment on when something is coming
it's another to say it's coming while the price bleeds out for a year and then the official comment about "uhhh it'll be uhhhh ready when it's ready" is delivered by a gym coach that LARPs as Alex Jones on discord rather than on their main social media accounts where they'd published the announcement it was coming that year

>>53515505
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>>53517276
No I may not.
>>53517278
Sometimes I think they should just follow in the footsteps of the Ethereum Foundation and release things then have the figurehead panic in the discord to stop using the protocol because they need to hardfork.
You know that old movie about a train coming towards the screen and the guy pulling things out of the way just before the train derails? That's how crypto production should be. It should be a tense standoff between you and the fuckups that you fix before they happen instead of stopping the train and moving things of the way they should just charge right on through because it worked for ETH it will work for Chainlink too I have faith

LMAO imagine Sergey on a Twitter space all sweaty in that busted flannel shirt pleading with his node operators please guys stop transmitting teh daytah LMAO

When will government stats departments start using chainlink to publish data about things like births and deaths. I wonder how the offchain data for something like unexplained deaths would look when you can't bribe chainlink nodes because the LINK token is worth a bajillion gazillion dollars and LINk muhreens are above the curse of money?

I fucking wonder. Why they are bumping other threads using scripted replies for and against and not this one

shit like pic related is probably AI generated. I don't believe there are any real minds left on the internet. Only jeets and tards pushing some agenda. I have not had a decent discussion online for years now.
Rory wtf man you were supposed to destroy these faggot spammers by deleting their discord and doxxing them. But still no decent conversation just spoon me more bro what the actual fuck. I thought fluoride stares were bad but this takes the cake

>>53517531
chainlink is centralised, im sure there is a way to bribe them

>>53517621
and how would you bribe them when the token is worth infinite dollars of money X?
The real question is will they engineer backdoors like the phone companies did for the glowies?

>>53517590
i'm real you fucking pole smoker
don't tl;dr a good argument away

>>53517645
they are all kyc nodes, just go to them and put a gun to their head.

That's my biggest concern. It will have the appearance of security but in reality they have a secret backdoor for special actors like three letters to get in and do whatever in the name of a higher good. But they will not reveal this because that would be telling

+EuhS+rg keep it up

>>53517685
You need to put a gun to the heads of every node operator for the multi sig and then there is the staking issue to consider and the penalties. Even if the glow niggers came together to do this in some gaysex op over multiple jurisdictions they would only be able to control until someone raised an alert and shut down the system. At that point all node operators would be dead so you get new node ops start the network again roll back functionality until rep is back at previous levels then expand functionality. okay say some reptilians did take over and kill all the node ops and replace them with skin walkers. What would they do?
Will they derivate from the market price enough to cause alerters to raise another alert?
Will they all forward incorrect data to the blockchain? would anyone notice in the panopticon of blockchain world? would anyone care?

>>53517710
I like these little mind games. I need to exercise soon but okay reptilian elites replaced all node operators with skin walkers. Jonny is looks like Jonny in every way shape and form but he is not Jonny. He is a blood drinking reppie from outer space. All node operators are now compromised. You know who they are they have the same credentials but they are all imposters. What will they do differently that would not cause the network to be shut down by a neet raising an alert and becoming rich as fuck in the process?

LMMMMMAAAAOOOPPPOOOPPPEEEE WE CAN HAZ KILL NODE OPERATORRRRSS NAO
this is not some lame le spam teh brockchain ethereum tranny thinking.

I axe you again. Even if you could murder chainlink node operators what do you hope to achieve? Oh is this some sort of Robin Hood act where you MITM attack to drain their LINk and distribute it to NEETs as an act of charity?

NEETs are the last line of defence. You would need to murder all the node operator and all the NEETs every last one of them to achieve something and that assumes that no one notices and people can see everything

You know I used to be a big ETH supporter. I was in a secret discord server back in '19 or maybe '18 and Vitalik or someone came in and said we've got a problem. like a dozen dark anime avatars responded with shit like 'which blockchain do we need to spam sir uwu' and Vitalik said its not a Blockchain exactly its an erc-20 coin. The dark anime avatars all lol'd then they investigated further and found out it was Chainlink an erc677 token and they couldn't spam it! Lol they were so furious! They wrote things like how do we deal with this threat? maybe we should kill the node guys haha.

>>53516903
>ass fuck you in front of every one while you scream no no stop it amd every one laughs
thanks for the new fetish

I think the node operators lifting weights is a natural progression of threat identification. The operator is a weak link even if they have the hole village set on autopilot and come on /biz/ to shitpost. I mean imagine rolling up on Eric and wondering if he will kill you do you hair or fix you an expensive burger. He probably rides a very noisy motorcycle.

>>53518756
what in the actual fuck are you even talking about

Hopium bagholders have been desperately making shit up trying to get a pump narrative going, its been going on for years. Dont forget the epic chainlink celsius short squeeze a couple months ago. Its just really sad desu

>>53518823
Node operators have to be proportionately large and scary enough to deal with any threats from Twitter. They are technically the muscle of this organized data ring. Node ops guys lifting weights at the gym just makes sense. Its natural!
NEETs are the last line of defence. A NEET only needs to be sane, sober, straight enough to notice things. And NEETs do notice things all the time so they are perfect for the role.
The only problem I foresee is that NEETs INTP ones are only a small percentage of the population and the government screen for behavior and profile people all the time for employment and at school. They test for this. So they would know who the last line of defence is before the potential NEET became a fully fledged NEET. Make sense?

>>53518879
I just want to talk about the research blogs and play little what if thought experiments. do people pay for this?
pay me bro

Link bagholders are now spamming chatgpt gibberish, funny I thought they were saying it was the fudders who were AI bots being used by the illuminati cabal to suppress their bags

>>53518926
>everything to my sad little mind is a spam attack
No I'm real and I wrote about this earlier >>53518664
kek

>>53516158
Ask me how I know wealth, when it comes, will destroy you

>>53516738
Fucking thank you. WE NEED TO WAKE PEOPLE UP. We have been getting FUCKING ripped off for years now. Get on every twitter post, spread the word…this isnt right and will not stand.

>>53518962
I know rite bro we need to let VCs scam us with the latest token X or NTF. CumFartButt will be huge!
>>53518954
>ID

>>53516738
Nigga you gay

I feel like the scam by association angle is wearing thin nigs.
>btc mtgox therefore btc is a scam
>eth erc20 rugs therefore eth is a scam
>link celcius ftx lady luck therefore link is a scam
does not computer.
https://twitter.com/ramahluwalia/status/1620411804500496384
Mashinsky is likely going to Israel or wherever Jews go when they are bad

>>53518983
It says Wew, as in lad.

>>53519032
>JQWew
huh

>>53518954
>JQWew
goddamn that's an ID for the ages

>>53518962
I can't even tell who's actually be sincere anymore and who's trying to make fun of me

>>53519031
You type like the Ed Felten tokenless future anon but in this thread you appear to be advocating for link rather than against. Or maybe I just can't read you at all. I am enjoying your rambling today though.

>>53519031
Heres sergeys only other crypto project.. Kinda weird how its almost the same pump and dump as link. Or maybe its just those pesky bulgarians that also must of suppressed NXT

high t men don't hold chainlink anymore
only sad little emotional boys

>>53519070
I was being serious. I agree w everything you said. Fucking sick of sergey and co. I took profits too but shouldve taken way more but held off bc I was blatently deceived. Fuck chainlink. Id rather sergey get cuffed at this point. Hes a fucking piece of shit. Twitter calls it out every day while biz still takes it up the ass. To the anons who told us all the good intel moved to twitter a year or so ago, thank you!!! Biz is basically the superstonk reddit with less moderation now.

>>53519075
I sold because of this chart at $38-40. Didn’t get $50 but thank god anyway, you’re more tempted when you perfectly time things. I knew he wasn’t a dependable person

>>53519071
Oh that guy... yeah... he's my cellmate. We up here in San Quintin. Caught 20 for a B+E. I think he's here for phreaking. Yeah back in the late 1970s AT&T caught him in their lines and made an example of him. He got life.
>>53519075
NXT wasn't his project but he built on it. Whoever ran NXT and their forks is to blame for the NXT token crashing. I wonder if they had to deal with dark anime ETH spammers too?

>>53519075
delet this

>>53519075
Exactly. And I guarantee he has ZERO fucking remorse. There is something off with the guy. The more I read that old quote from Alex Chepurney the more it screams red flag. People say he was just jealous but I read it more as someone who got burned by a sociopath (sergey).

link og's will capitulate to smart money then rope when they realized they listened to the fud

>>53519222
here we go again with ur shitty wykoff

>>53519245
He got trips you stupid fucking retard, is this your first day on /biz/?
>>53519222
Ch ch ch ch check it out, w w w what’s it all about

>>53519123
thank you fren
we being our campaign tomorrow

>>53519222
link is shit
imagine believing in this chart
lmao
lmfao even

>>53519222
$2 bottom confirmed

>>53519280
go fuck urself, im not checking on a shitty ta wykoff meme

>>53519176

>>53516675
This

>>53517590
Oh really? Maybe your manic rambling incoherence has something to do with it?

>>53515997
Zeller has been working for Aave since it was LEND the guy has made it 40 times over.

>>53520033
checked. I guess you are a normie struggling. Sucks to be (you) bro

Anycall already does this

>>53519075
sergey ran two projects on nxt, one called cryptamail, the other was secureae
he had nothing to do with the actual development of nxt and of course can't code a line
they then got made obsolete by eth

>>53516158
I only know of literally one time when Chainlink "lied", and that was "CCIP in 2022".

>>53516738
>it's bancor, it's celsius, it's ftx
What about them?
Are you saying Chainlink shouldn't have worked with them?
Because by that logic they shouldn't be working with anyone, ever.
>Compound lost 100 million dollars from using a centralized oracle
>Aave lost millions of dollars from not using proof of reserves
>Swift is part of globohomo enforcement that empoverishes dozens of millions of people in Iran, Russia, ...
etc.

Bancor, Celsius, and FTX could've largely been prevented simply by implementing proof of reserves like Sergey keeps begging people to.
But they didn't, at least not in time. But if Sergey refused to work with anyone who isn't 100% adhering to his logic, he wouldn't be working with anyone.

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>>53519046
this is AI dont respond to it

>>53515505
this is a major ass blast for link holders. shame none of them even realize it

>>53521789
He said they were “finalizing” staking in 2019. They’ve been completely opaque about when things are coming in order to get people to hold through extreme market conditions.

>>53521869
You can argue that maybe bancor and ftx shouldn’t count, but Sergey himself was doing presentations with Alex Mishinsky and shilling his services. How can anyone defend that? He endorsed it and made it seem safe.

>>53524545
If the bar is set at overselling what you’re actually doing in order to get people to hodl through extreme market conditions, that’s this entire market and most projects did it a hundred times more shamelessly. You’re in a bubble because all you care about or focus on is chainlink.

>>53524606
>sergey lying isnt a big deal because other people do it and you are just focused on chainlink!

you're a real cocksucker aren't you.

>>53524545
>He said they were “finalizing” staking in 2019
And?

>>53524565
>Sergey himself was doing presentations with Alex Mishinsky and shilling his services
They were working together and promoting each other.
But Mashinski failed to implement many of the measures Sergey had been recommending for a long time.
If Sergey were to rebuff everyone who did this, he'd be alone in his basement.

>>53524606
Most projects don’t have partnerships with swift, google, and the associated press. That’s the problem, they want the veneer of not being a scam (and I’ll concede they still might turn out not to be) but they’ve fucked their community several times over now and they aren’t criticized enough for that. The ccip fakeout was the most egregious example. Like I said earlier, in early 2022 many anons could have still taken profit and been in a much better position but instead roundtripped their profits because supposedly the most important feature release ever was about to drop any day. That’s just wrong. How many millions of dollars did the link community lose due to that lie?

>>53524821
He should not be shilling a product he doesn’t not know to be safe and legitimate to the community of his project. How is this a debate?

>stop focusing on your investment, here look at all the other shitty projects reeee
I've never understood this angle desu
>>53524821
>stop having expectations and standards about supposedly the "most professional team in the industry"
>stop expecting the CEO of truth>trust to not be associating with grifters and scammers
>remember how /biz/ kept labeling every other project as a scam and kept advocating that LINK is the most adopted and legit crypto in the space? yeah that means you shouldn't expect the best from the project, if you dare to criticize it you're an obsessed fuddie

>>53524821
>>53524859
This is also why I don’t mention something like Lady Luck. When it comes to just some project integrating the tech and turning out to be a scam I agree CLL is not responsible. It’s very different to actively market to your community something that turns out to be an utter scam.

Read and weep fudders.

>>53524938
"Jonathan Sole" could say he blew Santa Claus who gives a fuck. Aave and SNX were both relying on CCIP and are now openly looking for other solutions and are audibly moving on without them.

>>53524885
>>stop having expectations and standards about supposedly the "most professional team in the industry"
What good is being the "most professional team in the industry" if you're not going to work with anyone?

>>53524859
>>53524886
If Sergey refused to work with and have reciprocal marketing relations with every project that doesn't immediately adopt things like proof of reserve, then he'd spend his days alone in his basement.

>>53524965
>who gives a fuck what Swift says
lmao

>>53524849
Are you using logic and common sense though? If link was a long con they still could be playing it far better to this point and have made vastly more money. If its a scam, its arguably one of the least profitable and most incompetent scams in the space. At best you could maybe argue that swifts involvement forces them to keep it going to protect swift and help them save face, but that’s a more schizo theory than anything from a link shill.

>>53524965
>Who gives a fuck about SWIFT when we have these shitcoiners seething

>>53516046
was

>>53524984
>>53525021
>LE HECKIN SWIFT!!!!!!!!
It's like im talking to actual redditors. The same double niggers who pushed the "Google Partnership" too. Imagine pushing an overinflated, self admitted proof of concept as anything close to legitimate.

>>53524859
Dumb fucking cocksucker. No one thought Celsius and Bancor were fraud. Hindsight is 20/20. People believed in Mashinsky and Lost their money. Mashinsky was a well spoken well mannered person. Watch his interviews he deceived people and run a ponzi scam. How is this Sergeys fault.

>>53524849
>How many millions of dollars did the link community lose due to that lie?
ETH held dozens of BILLIONS of user USD hostage for two years, resulting in something $15 billion in unrealized holder losses (which is TWICE Link's fully diluted market cap)
And ETH barely gets any fud at all.

And the ETH thing is a literal hard lockup, not a promised feature release "lockup" like Link's CCIP promise.

You lack any sense of perspective.

>>53525072
>Dumb fucking cocksucker. No one thought Celsius and Bancor were fraud
Patently false.
Just because you ignored them doesn't mean they weren't there.
Anybody who mints their own token for rewards is doomed to fail, no exception.

>>53525135
>Anybody who mints their own token for rewards is doomed to fail
lol take that, Satoshi!

>>53525072
Like I said, it’s his fault because he pushed something *on his own community* that he did not know to be safe.

>>53525261
Sergey knows Swift isn't safe either, but he still "pushes" them.

>>53525060
Seethe more tranny

>>53525073
ETH went from $1 to $4000 you dumb cocksucker

>>53525419
How does that change what I said?

>>53516133
This is good advice but lazy fags won’t listen. Can you offer any advice on how to get started? I don’t know much about programming I am an accountant.

>>53524969
>if the most professional team in the industry is more careful with who they choose to associate and promote, they suddenly become less professional
>professional means working with literally EVERYBODY
what kind of twisted fucked red herring is this?
there are literally thousands of projects using LINK, but instead of Chainlink equally promoting every single project, they chose to specifically single out Bancor and Celsius, not once, but multiple times
literally what the fuck are you babbling on about

>>53525567
>>if the most professional team in the industry is more careful with who they choose to associate and promote, they suddenly become less professional
They arguably become MORE professional if anything, but they also lose adoption and users.

In many ways, Swift is an antequated, slow, unsafe, globohomo dinosaur; should Chainlink also not work with them?

I'd say the most concerning thing itt is a literal confirmation of AAVE moving away from CCIP and the shills only retort being:
>seethe more tranny kek swift
the absolute fucking state of this community
>>53525609
>they arguably become MORE professional if anything
thanks, that's my point
>but they also lose adoption and users
judging from the results, they wouldn't miss out on much, "users" and "adoption" is literally farming and gambling on defi casino protocols
>Swift is an antequated, slow, unsafe, globohomo dinosaur
but it's not a blatant scam bro, how fucking disingenuous do you have to be to equate Bancor with SWIFT, jesus christ

>>53525643
>judging from the results, they wouldn't miss out on much
They'd miss out on literally every single user and partner ever.

Even Aave lost millions in user funds because they failed to adopt proof of reserve.

>>53525643
who cares AAVE is a legit shitcoin that won't pump next cycle

>>53525701
>They'd miss out on literally every single user and partner ever
are you implying that all of Chainlink's remaining users are scammers and that every protocol is shit?
how many red herrings are you going to pull from your arse?
aave didn't rugpulll, it got hacked
celsius, bancor etc literally rugged, and nobody said that they shouldn't be getting users, all I'm saying is that they have fucked up big by investing so much on blatant scams
>>53525738
oh, so I guess Chainlink's users are indeed all grifting pieces of shit
so much for muh adoption
you keep contradicting your own shill narrative in every fucking post

>>53525761
>are you implying that all of Chainlink's remaining users are scammers and that every protocol is shit?
If the standard for "shit" includes things like "they aren't using full-blown proof of reserve for everything", then yes.

>>53525779
so the entire userbase of Chainlink is shit, no exceptions
you have indirectly admitted that SWIFT is shit as well here>>53525609, so it seems that this adoption you keep yapping on about is nowhere to be seen
>everybody will be forced to use LINK!!
>project a,b,c,d don't
>looool who cares they're shitcoins anyway

>>53525761
Write more essays about why link bad lmao.

>>53525831
>hahahaha loool seethe trannie hahahahah
thanks for your insights bro

>>53525761
>NOOOOOOOOO you cant buy link you need my approval.
Seethe more tyranny.

>>53525886
are you like paid to derail actual discussions about LINK?
where the fuck did I even said that you spineless worm

>>53525567
but 99% of the crypto market is scams and vaporware, that's sort of the problem with this space, who the fuck do you actually highlight as a successful integration/partner that's crypto related? Seriously name a project that is both wildly successful and completely clean with no scammy shit on their record. And if you say ethereum we're done here.

The problem is the crypto space as a whole, right now, is fucking cancer, and link and maybe a handful of other projects are the only ones even attempting to make it something more, because for everyone else they make more money maintaining the current paradigm and pumping and dumping retards over and over again.

>>53525761
>are you implying that all of Chainlink's remaining users are scammers and that every protocol is shit?
they are kek, do you even follow this space? What the fuck are you doing with your shitcoins besides shuffling them around to make more money off retards?

>>53525797
>so the entire userbase of Chainlink is shit, no exceptions
If you put the standards high enough, yes.
Swift, Aave, Compound, ... have all lost massive amounts of user money in the past, and they still don't have things like full transparency and decentralization.

According to your logic, Sergey shouldn't be working with them.

>>53525938
>who the fuck do you actually highlight as a successful integration/partner that's crypto related?

https://cointelegraph.com/news/swift-partners-with-chainlink-for-cross-chain-crypto-transfer-project

Does this meet your standards? Pun intended.

>>53525938
>>53525961
so you basically concede that LINK has zero actual adoption, and I agree with that
that being said, could you stop being so overly dramatic ffs, what the fuck is wrong with ETH? dao hack? BTC? lighting network? XMR??
there's a difference between a hacks and rugpulling
there are so many projects that aren't blatant PnDs and do their fucking job or at the very least, they have a unique usecase, so, why can't Chainlink focus on these ESTABLISHED and RESPECTED entities in the space?

>>53525992
according to my logic there's a huge difference between an "accidental" fuckup and pure malice
stop with these shitty false equivalences and start reading my posts properly

>>53526024
>according to my logic there's a huge difference between an "accidental" fuckup and pure malice
You can't prove that shit either way.

>>53526044
I'd say, a company hiring an ex pornstar with zero expertise (lol) for executive company positions is a huge fucking red flag

>>53526044
btw you literally sound like some deranged scammers supporter
>theranos did nothing wrong, they just ran out of time!!
>you can't know if there was malice behind Enron bro!!!!1111

>>53526075
>executive company position
She was literally back office.

>>53526006
How about the fact that a major source of revenue from the network comes from stealing from user transactions? You think banks are going to be ok with something like MEV? Besides that, what is eth actually being used for right now besides shuffling shitcoins? That's the thing, this space is doing absolutely nothing and people get hyper focused on chainlink for some reason when they're one of the few actually trying to do more.
>could you stop being so overly dramatic ffs,
Again the ironing
>>53525997
Yes, it does, I'm not fudding link I'm pointing out that the majority of this space prefers playing in a small pond and does not want to grow up, and would rather see link die so they can continue to scam retards at the casino.

>>53526096
>>theranos did nothing wrong, they just ran out of time!!
Theranos was using Siemens machines and telling everyone they weren't.

What is more likely, that link is actually a long con scam like the rest of the market, but they're actually far more incompetent than memecoins and blatant scams like solana, and multibillionaires like Eric Schmidt are fine staking their reputation on them just to try to get in on the longcon?

Or... crypto as a whole is a bullshit market full of scams, and link along with a handful of other projects are attempting to drag the space kicking and screaming, and forced to associate with scams on some level because if they didn't they'd basically have no interaction with crypto as a whole and would be unable to integrate this market with the real world, which is the entire goal of oracles in the first place?

>>53526097
>Head of institutional lending
>back office
what cope is this
>>53526107
>hurr muh huuuge fees
banks have their own MEV bro, and that is one part of the story
reality is, decentralization is expensive af, you want cheap networks who have total control over miner fees? then you want centralized technologies, end of story
>but muh Chainlink is trying bro, give them a break!11
things would be infinitely much better if they'd ever manage to ship a product
>>53526122
celsius and bancor stole customer's funds, see how easy it is to distinguish scammy behavior from incompetence

>>53526178
Bro are you okay? How much are they paying you be honest?

>>53526178
so you're a mETHhead you could have just said so from the start. Also how the fuck can you support eth as a less scammy crypto project than link, and complain about failing to meet deadlines? That's my problem with most of the whining on here its just complete double standards with no logical consistency, just bagholders stuck in a bubble whining because they aren't retired yet. If it pisses you off stop being a pussy and become a trader, its that easy you could have made it already, there's no excuse.

>>53526163
>what's more likely, in a fraudulent industry filled with ponzis and bad actors with literally no exceptions (yes even ETH is a scam bro) a sole legitimate project exists, desperately trying to bring utility in this fraudulent industry but the entire world is conspiring against them or, that said project is actually fraudulent, like every other project in that particular industry
what does occam's razor suggest anon?
>>53526219
because ETH is ESTABLISHED, it weathered the storms, it is still THERE
LINK is still struggling to make a name for itself, how can you not comprehend this basic shit

>>53526178
also the entire usecase of crypto is dependent on being better than or a useful alternative to banks. what's even worse is expecting legacy institutions to want to use a network that is actively stealing from them. at that point they are going to use their own centralized fork and eth gets nothing.

>>53526178
>>Head of institutional lending
>>back office
She wasn't actual "head of lending", she had two people above her in the lending department.
They gave her a fancy title, she literally worked the back office.

>celsius and bancor stole customer's funds
By this logic so did Aave when they lost millions in the Harmony bridge hack due to not using proof of reserves.

>>53526219
Hes actually seething right now kek. I’m gonna buy a Link later in his honor. Knowing people like him will rope after we run up fills me with more joy than money ever could.

>>53526267
>use their own centralized fork and eth gets nothing
I'd say this was the objective from the beginning, it's beyond naive to assume that the elites are giving (((us))) the chance to participate and profit from their new dystopian world economy they're planning, I'm firmly convinced the entire industry is a gigantic testing ground for their own centralized and permissioned solutions that (((we))) don't get to invest in
>expecting legacy institutions to want to use a network
that's truly decentralized and transparent, I'd have to agree with that, decentralization is a libtard's pipe dream

>>53526306
I know you're only here to derail, but I truly don't give a fuck about eth

>>53526235

>>53526346
remember how he himself admitted on Smartcon that true decentralization is not feasible? I do

>>53526342
>derail
Everything you’re saying is pilpul garbage. Make an opinion and fuck off if you think Link is garbage than say it once and fuck off. You won’t convince anyone here to sell we have discussed everything about Link ad nauseam. Nice try Jew.

>>53526342
>I truly don't give a fuck about eth
Clearly.
Because ETH and Vitalik have endorsed many more literal scams than Chainlink, pic very related.

>>53526235
I didn't suggest link is the sole legitimate project, there's a few others out there, though I will always throw shade on eth. Link is forced to work with eth because of their connections and how used it is, just like bnb, in terms of l1's I've got my money on avax though that's always a race to the bottom.
>because ETH is ESTABLISHED, it weathered the storms, it is still THERE
LINK is still struggling to make a name for itself, how can you not comprehend this basic shit
The L1 layer is established and accepted as a necessary component for crypto/smart contracts, this didn't happen from real world integration, it happened to people's addiction to shitcoin casino. Link's usecase is real world adoption, it tried to participate in shitcoin casino with DeFi but the problem is nobody playing the shitcoin casino really actually gives a shit about centralization or security, so link had to subsidize that venture. Even eth got raped to some degree last market cycle and failed to reach a new high in sats thanks to bnb and other l1 casinos popularity.

I have no problem with someone saying link is going to fail because crypto is going to fail, or that adoption is likely 5-10 years off minimum with little to look forward to until then. Although if you feel that way, I don't understand the point of wasting time whining in link threads about something that isn't going to change, and not just either becoming a trader or getting out of the crypto market entirely. But to suggest this is a rational market that link is failing in is an utter joke.

>>53526374
I want to discuss chainlink, I don't want to convince you of anything
you seem mad af, keep giving me (You)s, I'm going to ignore you
>>53526379
I'm willing to wager this was an accident, just like LINK re twitting enthusiastically their lady luck integration
>>53526389
The l1 is established as necessary because of the obsession of this space on the pipe dream called "decentralization", cause L2 are inherently centralized, that's why their faster
>Link's usecase is real world adoption,
I know, that's why I bought into it, the issue is they've objectively speaking failed spectacularly so far
>failed to reach a new high in sats
nothing makes a new high in sats, ever
> so link had to subsidize that venture
why??? why did it HAD to subsidize a literal financial black hole fueled by ponzenomics? it doesn't make any fucking sense
>But to suggest this is a rational market that link is failing in is an utter joke
why? because it hurts your feelings?
are you genuinely trying to tell me you believe this:
>the market is entirely irrational and LINK is actually thriving!!1!
is more logical? explain yourself

>>53526496
>I'm willing to wager this was an accident, just like LINK re twitting enthusiastically their lady luck integration
How did they tweet "enthusiastically"?
They literally just said Lady Luck is using Chainlink, just like most of the rest of crypto at this point.

>>53526518
>I'm strongly opposed to the use of this adverb bro, don't do that
so your only argument is semantics? I'm terribly sorry about "enthusiastically", I take that back
what now?

>>53526537
They simply tweeted that Lady Luck was using Chainlink.

>>53526545
indeed, ETH at least didn't retweet anything, a sole dev endorsed omisego for a singular tweet
why is that a much bigger deal than the official chainlink handle announcing lady luck integration?

>>53526562
>ETH at least didn't retweet anything

>>53526582
heroin is a scam? lmao
please, don't try to force me to defend the pedo, one can recognize a project is more established without having to sugar coat every aspect of it

>>53526496
>the obsession of this space on the pipe dream called "decentralization"
If you remove decentralization DLT has no purpose/usecase, you understand that yes? Digital money has existed for roughly 50 years already.
>I know, that's why I bought into it, the issue is they've objectively speaking failed spectacularly so far
Yes so who has actually come closer than them so far? Its risk/reward, you take on more risk for greater reward. You could have bought another L1 clone, nobody told you you had to buy link.
>nothing makes a new high in sats, ever
No different than btc maxis with the "everything else is a shitcoin" mantra before 2017, and now they all have to stubbornly accept eth, along with the reality that btc will likely never see the levels of dominance it previously enjoyed ever again. Eth succeeded because btc maxis were wrong. But by the same token, eth failed to reach a new high in sats not because "nothing ever does", but because shitcoin gambling shifted to other l1's, because the l1 is not inherently a monopoly, especially when gamblers care more about low fees than decentralization and security. Real world entities are going to care about those things. Which again, you're allowed to believe will never happen or is years off, in which case, stop investing in projects that are shooting for that market.
>why??? why did it HAD to subsidize a literal financial black hole fueled by ponzenomics? it doesn't make any fucking sense
They didn't have to do anything. They likely did because they understood real world adoption was still at least one market cycle away, and it was either attempt to showcase your oracles in some way, or sit on your hands for 4 years.
As to your last point, I'm arguing neither. I'm arguing link is seeing mediocre performance in an utterly irrational market that is based upon shitcoin gambling and insider trading, nothing more nothing less.

>>53526562
>why is that a much bigger deal than the official chainlink handle announcing lady luck integration?
Vitalik shilled OMG even after they pretended to have Google and Apple partnerships.

>>53526612
>heroin is a scam?
Defending the possession of child porn is kind of worse than finding out a project is a scam after you tweeted about them using your product.

>>53526616
>you remove decentralization DLT has no purpose/usecase
then why isn't the entire space suffering from extreme existential crisis, don't they realize that true decentralization hasn't materialized after 15 years?
>who has actually come closer than them so far
ETH, with EEA and multiple pilot projects with institutions
>Eth succeeded
thanks for conceding btw
enterprises are going to use private, centralized dlt solutions because they're cheaper and faster, nobody actually care about decentralization
>They likely did because they understood real world adoption was still at least one market cycle away, and it was either attempt to showcase your oracles in some way, or sit on your hands for 4 years.
being that much early can also mean you're wrong
just saying

>>53526616
>eth failed to reach a new high in sats not because "nothing ever does", but because shitcoin gambling shifted to other l1's, because the l1 is not inherently a monopoly, especially when gamblers care more about low fees than decentralization and security
I just want to stress this point. Imagine eth's marketcap and sats if all the traffic of ethkillers had gone to eth last cycle? Hell, imagine if just bnb hadn't actually outperformed eth as the premiere shitcoin trading hub? Eth would have easily blown away last cycles' sats high. It would be the equivalent of bsv seeing more transactions than btc in 2017.
I'm not dismissing the trilemma, it's a problem that may never get solved, just pointing out there's a lot more to it than "nothing ever gets a new sats high".

>>53526724
>If my grandmother had wheels, she would have been a bike
what's the point of this post? it didn't

>>53526665
>then why isn't the entire space suffering from extreme existential crisis, don't they realize that true decentralization hasn't materialized after 15 years?
Bitcoin has for the most part solved this problem, just without smart contract functionality and obviously transaction speed issues, although it has given up at attempting to be a currency.
Everything else is dealing with the trilemma, which even if it is unsolvable in a perfect sense, can at least be mitigated with things like layer 2's and oracle networks.

You seem to have an opinion on where the space is headed, so why not put your money where your mouth is instead of complaining about why link is a scam? That's what I don't understand. I'm not trying to convince you to buy link, I think you should sell and either trade the market or invest in the things you feel will succeed. I read eth threads from time to time, I never see linkholders in there attempting to argue how eth is a massive scam and complaining about the network, why it didn't reach a new sats high, why they are still locked in staking etc. Funny how that is.

>>53526754
Risk/reward, again why did you ever buy link? You seem to have understood what they were attempting to accomplish was a tremendous undertaking. You obviously don't feel it's doable. Why not sell and ride something else?

>>53516332
This page came out on the 24th. Why am I only hearing about this now? Come on anon, you're supposed to make a thread on this.

>>53526799
>Bitcoin has for the most part solved this problem
bitcoin hasn't solved shit, it is extremely slow and expensive compared to traditional digital instruments, that's why the centralized l2 called "lightning network" was born
you seem a bit clueless
>which even if it is unsolvable in a perfect sense, can at least be mitigated with things like layer 2's and oracle networks.
>if it is unsolvable in a perfect sense,
that is a total contradiction to this
>you remove decentralization DLT has no purpose/usecase
kek
>>53526815
>complaining about why link is a scam?
LINK gets praised and has a huge following on /biz/ that it simply does not deserve, if that makes sense
the reason it developed that following was due to extensive research, countless back and forth discussions and constant criticism
if LINK doesn't stand up to the expectations anymore it should be called out, much like how this board almost unanimously agrees that SOL or ADA are dead ends

>>53526966
Responding on phone so my responses won’t be as thorough. I agree link should be scrutinized, I just disagree with the conclusions. But more importantly, if you’re at a point that you can’t see any value in the discussions anymore, why not just sell? I believe you do actually believe in the project still, you’re just desperate for an anon you consider more intelligent to finally properly dispute your contradictions with an effort post that you approve of. Except I don’t think that’s possible without extreme positive price action. Obviously that’s what we’re all here for regardless of what anyone says about technology.

>>53527207
>I agree link should be scrutinized
thank you
>if you’re at a point that you can’t see any value in the discussions anymor
wut? I'm on 24 posts or something, I obviously care about the discussions, I just want the delusional moonbois to rope so we can finally start having rational and objective discussions about LINK
>passive aggressive projections
kek, that's why we're here after all
>Obviously that’s what we’re all here for regardless of what anyone says about technology
again, appreciate the honesty anon

>>53525153
Satoshi prints BTC for rewards for staking BTC?

Please show me.

Dumb nigger. You probably thought that was a major own, too.

>>53527291
The Bitcoin protocol mints its own tokens for rewards, yes.
Just like all the protocols that mint their own tokens for rewards (Uni, Compound, Bancor, ...)

>>53527320
>The Bitcoin protocol mints its own tokens for rewards, yes
these are the people shilling LINK here every day, people who don't even get the concept of PoW
>mints its own tokens for rewards
see what I mean anon?>>53527207
these delusional fagtards really activate my almonds

>>53527274
>projections
I mean you have posts in this thread already specifically complaining about the price action. Its obviously high on your list of concerns if not at the top.
Otherwise I’d continue the discussion but I hate phoneposting and about to head to class. I do want to add though I addressed btc’s issues by bringing up the trilemma. But dismissing all dlt because we can’t solve it is like dismissing the automobile because we already solved the issue of transportation. There’s still value in going faster until we invent teleportation/time travel, and there’s still value in being more decentralized than central banks.

>>53527342
Why even respond if there’s no value though? I don’t take the bait when someone starts posting cock cages or TNN and that shows the same level of awareness.

>>53527396
>Its obviously high on your list of concerns if not at the top.
this is accurate, I meant the
>desperate for an anon you consider more intelligent
part
>But dismissing all dlt
I'm being a realist by acknowledging that true decentralization is not feasible or even desired for enterprises in some cases, I'm going to specifically link a part of Eric Schmidt's chat on Smartcon which pretty much confirms that
dlt can and will provide value, but not through decentralization, the very fact that all major development has shift to L2s is literally a concession of decentralization failing.
>>53527473
what can I say, I fall for bait

>>53527342
>people who don't even get the concept of PoW
I do understand, and it involves minting "its own token".

>>53527512
Last post before I have to go but there’s still value in decentralization. Link and l2’s are a concession that the trilemma can’t be solved yet, not that decentralization is a meme. One of the strongest criticisms of link right now is its lack of decentralization, which is achievable but requires staking 1.0, which itself requires paying customers. Which likely requires an institution like swift.

>>53527583
>but requires staking 1.0
it actually requires entirely independent non-KYC nodes in order to function as a true "decentralized" oracle network
introducing slashing won't do anything regarding that matter

>>53527625
I'd also like to add that even if LINK somehow becomes completely decentralized, that still won't magically fix the fundamental problems every other project has, that's why faglords kept talking about arbitrum and a new secret "LINK blockchain" or some insane shit

>>53527625
Yes and that won’t exist until staking as the nodes need to have an economic incentive for honesty. Or rather it could exist but nodes would just act in their best interest and the network would become corrupted/centralized.

>>53527721
yes, bottom line is, we're so far away from Chainlink fulfilling its original goals that one has to question how in the fuck will any value be generated until something leads to actual utility and adoption

>>53525300
not the same
swift integration does not threaten people's stacks
also, would have killed them to issue a statement condemning celsius? kind of seems like the least he could have done

>>53527320
>The Bitcoin protocol mints its own tokens for rewards, yes.

"Bitcoin protocol" doesn't mint anything. The minters do. Unlike Celsius and bancor that literally create tokens out of thin air whenever someone cashed out a reward.

You are either disingenuous or retarded.

>>53527625
what are you on about?
chainlink is a protocol for composing decentralized oracle networks
there are already dons live that are not managed by chainlink labs
but there's a lot of handholding needed and of course with eth costs, subsidization is a reality
a don can be as centralized or as decentralized as you like... that's the whole point...

>>53528999
>there are already dons live that are not managed by chainlink labs
there are?

>>53529087
https://thereadingape.substack.com/p/chainlink-build-a-custom-chainlink
it's all there for people to build out if they wish but yeah, the lack of subsidization is an issue but becoming less so as l2s grow

btw, synthetix v3 is in the process of launching as well which should also have a ccip integration
who knows, maybe the plan is to broadly launch aave v3 and synthetix v3 and then turn on the ccip integration afterward
I have to say though, from a marketing/market sentiment perspective building a bit of anticipation that this is actually fucking coming anytime soon would be nice

>>53529277
>building a bit of anticipation that this is actually fucking coming anytime soon would be nice
bad idea when building something as fundamental as this, this isn't some dapp
sergey never mentioned a deadline on any feature until staking and ccip by eoy 2022
i doubt he'll make that mistake again with the ccip miss
far better to say nothing with rabid and depressed retail around you

>>53529277
checked

Chainlink and its ecosystem marketing is abysmal. That won't change until products are there. Anyone talking hiding strategy is retarded, Google released Gmail beta to the world and people were killing for invites. Where are Chainlink's products, 7 years after "going public"

>>53529334
I think what's so frustrating to me is that I took a massive drawdown on an amount of link I didn't want to part with because I thought ccip was about to launch
but now I'm this same fucking position again where I don't want to be fooled again and also don't want to regret not buying more here

>>53515505
nothing burger.
do not sell.

>>53529347
>In the early 2000s, Google had a big secret (even bigger than the secrets of how search works) — and wanted to hide it from everyone. Everyone who knew the secret, almost everyone working at Google, were firmly instructed to keep their mouths shut. Until now, no other company had figured how to make money at scale on the internet in a way that users embrace and Google had cracked this puzzle. How was it feasible to keep this as a secret you may ask — it was easy as none of the experts who were tracking the business of Google believed that this was possible.
>Larry and Sergey would go into Venture Capital (VC) meetings and refuse to answer even basic questions like how much traffic was on the site. What’s more was Larry and Sergey didn’t have the language to say things nicely. They’d be kind of blunt and say, ‘We can’t tell you.’ This did frustrate a few VCs and actually one VC did storm out. Page was working the “hiding strategy” even before he had something to hide.
>However, as a consequence of going public, the hiding had to stop on April 1, 2004 where Google had announced a gathering for the investors.
https://medium.com/@kaushik_nov20/google-s-hiding-strategy-ed37af316f14
>Gmail was announced to the public by Google on 1 April 2004, after extensive rumors of its existence during testing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gmail

>>53529416
true but it's going to launch in a bear so will do nothing to do the price anyway. biz's problem is thinking retail cares about technical backend stuff
link will make people rich in the long-term but it will take broad staking for retail (ie. v1) and identifiable names using it
oct 2022 or june 2023 it won't make much difference i suspect
look at staking, no real price impact

>>53529443
Notice how they took care of their investors. Chainlink announced CCIP, market loved it. It didn't come out a whole year after saying it was, and now it's "we're t-testing sorry" so it's now mid single digits. The minimum expectation at this point was $20-30. (BTC ATH $64k, currently half)

>>53529835
yeah who knows, maybe they did it to try and keep price high so they could keep dumping
but i highly doubt anyone really knows much about ccip outside a core of people on biz and ct, we're in a real bubble
from what it seemed to me, most of the attention after that jan 2022 talk was the fact that staking was going to be released
as for the broader market, not much chainlink can do about it, i have to admit i didn't see a 2018 style -90% retrace
chainlink has just relfected the broader market with their price drop:
https://www.coingecko.com/en/watchlists/all-time-high-crypto

>>53529835
We're not investors, we're owed nothing, why would we deserve profit from buying tokens?

>>53529835
>The minimum expectation at this point was $20-30.
this shows what a bubble you were in btw + the final slightly nervous optimism of a fading bull market euphoria

>>53530124
it's not so much that we deserve to profit, it's that we deserve to not be blatantly lied to

>>53530298
you should go talk to tesla investors about missed deadlines
a product slipping by months is a ridiculous thing to be so caught up on, particularly in an emerging and experimental market like blockchain
it's so obvious that this is your first investment, you got lucky and greedy and are now acting like a child
grow up and have a look at the real world

>>53530444
and remember: taking profit is never a bad thing

>>53530444
it isn't
and I wouldn't be mad about ccip if they hadn't said it was definitely coming last year before the price tanked
the lied to us to get us to hold
it's blatantly obvious

>>53530124
>owed nothing

Hmm no you have that wrong, I am owed truth > trust according to the company

>>53530210
How is it a bubble when LINK only went from 20-50 while everything else went interstellar?

>>53516133
>hackathons
kill urself. in it for the tech and change the word meme is dead.

>>53516165
he did you fucking moron
>>53516332
kek

>>53530481
maybe, maybe not
>>53530496
link delusion/information bubble

>>53527895
Just got out of class and it was always going to be a sort of chicken and egg problem. Institutions want to see a robust, decentralized and secure network, a robust decentralized secure network is required to attract institutions. Right now the best bet is swift decides to use link and kicks this all off, taking on some level of risk as the network slowly decentralizes. It’s a great asymmetrical bet vs the rest of this shitty market, the risk is high but the reward greater than OG btc returns.

>>53517228
you're fucking braindead.
>>53517278
>they lied to us to get us to hold
ive always felt that they have been using the carrot and the stick model. They way they handled staking. It wasnt even fucking started after all the years of being told to stare at the pivotal tracker. They knew the whole fucking time nothing has started and only said anything when they absoulutly had too. Serey and the team should be thankfull BTC still runs the market. At least we just have to wait for the next cycle to dump.

>>53530735
how new are you? you don't remember the thomas hodges interview about how they abandoned the initial staking model?

>>53530686
I worded that poorly, what I meant to say is in order to have a robust secure network, you need high demand from customers which is institutions as defi doesn’t actually put enough value on decentralization and security to exist without subsidization, nor would there be enough demand from defi alone.

>>53530889
>new
>discussing pivotal

post the source.

>>53530889
Even if they scrapped whatever they originally had, by the time of whitepaper v2 in May 2021 they could have started working on staking, and it took them over a year and a half to release v0.1, which is a joke compared to the staking mechanism described in the original whitepaper, let alone the new one. It took them 18 months for a basic token lockup contract, they could have done way more if actually releasing a working product was their primary goal.

>>53530989
makes you wonder exactly what it is all the people are doing all day year after year

>>53530989
yeah i agree, it's ridiculous to have it out so slow, imagine it being released at height of bull

>>53530978
might have been here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR5FaGlkubQ

>NEW PROJECT HAS TIE TO MAIN PROJECT THAT YOU CAN TRUST AND OFFERS EVERYTHING BETTER YOU COULD POSSIBLE WANT EVEN BETTER AND NOW
this shit is so fucking gay. 200+ replies? gtfo of here you creepy weirdos. you only need one fucking thread for this. look at these guys >>>/mu/114817211
quick, you've only got like 5 minutes before that thread is toast

>>53516738
>bacor, it's celsius, it's ftx
This. Ton of failures with these companies. Big red flag was when I saw Sam invited to that smart con meeting. Sergey clearly doesn't vet anything and seem interested in actual business or having a good reputation. At this point it's xrp bread crumb schizo tier. I sold most of my link. Have a bit left because I still liked it but I'm not in this for the tech.

>>53530989
kind of wish the fat fuck did this during the bullrun, the lockup would save the price

/biz traffic has been at an all time low. I saw a thread about this a couple days ago. Number of posts were around 50K per if I remember correctly. I'd have to go to the thread again to be sure.

Either way this board has never been slower since the last bear market and yet (((people))) actively come here and make LINK FUD threads ad nauseum.

There isn't a single other project this happens too. No one cares about any other project that is also down 80-90%. They simply don't get mentioned.

Just based on sheer logic, you have to ask yourself "What motivates this people do so?"

Its profit. The people behind LINK and direct it in the long term literally don't want you to make it. Angel investors(Sandro Salsano), WEF, SWIFT. Its all globohomo.

As long as they make accurate information public, they have no qualms using paid misdirection to manipulate you.

The whole thing is insane. I went through this whole cycle once already.

Its like Deja Vu. The same fervor and tactics were used to tell me to sell at $0.30. I just didn't. I was handsomely rewarded as a result.

I can't predict the future, but what I'm seeing right now just rhymes with what I experienced in the past.


Its the Cult of Saturn.

"Qui vult decipi, decipiatur"

"He who will be deceived, let him be deceived"

>>53532661
Most who have actual BTC are. It's as close to the very essence of possible security for online digital privacy moving commercial - without the need for 'virus-peotection' apps that cost more than most computers available for purchase back then before Apple and Bill decided to make it a built in thing, I mean, you got candy crush on there why not a security feature?

Blockchain is fucking sick dude, no doubt. It's worth it just to know why exactly the altcoins will never be anything as remotely valuable as BTC will ever be. ETH wishes it could be BTC, in fact, within the next 20 years I don't see any reason why America would continue to allow BTC over ETH in our country.

>>53530124
>We're not investors, we're owed nothing, why would we deserve profit from buying tokens?
Here it is. The ultimate bagholder cope. They released a token for an ico but it wasn't about money. They need value locked up for staking but it's not about money. We are investors. They just pretend otherwise to avoid the SEC. Everyone buys link to profit off of, that's part of the economy model for staking. Higher locked token value means its harder to buy up the supply and gain majority node power.

The "they don't owe us!" Attitude is the final deathblow of every failed project.

>>53532738
is this even a fucking human responding?
what the fuck are you talking about

>>53532737
Dummy. The sheer logic is everyone here is balls deep in link and are not happy about the way the team is fucking us. So we post about it you midwit

>>53524565
This pissed me off possibly more than everything else. They presented it as a “deep partnership” where they both utilize each other.

And then we have these disingenious cocksucking shills on biz who try to downplay it as celsius simply using Link services. No motherfuckers, LINK LITERALLY TURNED OVER THEIR OWN TREASURY FOR CELSIUS TO MANAGE, and PR’d it to everyone. Christ

>>53524545
that trick will only work once for a real bear tho
never again will anyone hold through a macro decline
in turn causing it to dump the most, pump the least even more
this really is kill your own project 101

>>53524885
Remember when biz used to tout Sergey as the only “pure” actor in crypto. Sickening. Hes actually the worst type because hes so insidious. Guys like him can never truely have close friends. Fucking sociopath

>>53532838
>>53534259
>>53534326
I mean the entire point of link is its trying something nothing else in the market has tried. Its an asymetrical bet that there is more to crypto than exchanging shitcoins. You're either on board for that and all the potential gains or you're not, but asking chainlink to try to operate like every other scam in the space isn't going to pump your bags. Nobody bought link in 2017 because of celsius/bancor, they bought it because of swift. And nothing link does is going to speed up that progress. Everything else until that either happens or falls through, is noise, and a leveraged bet against the rest of crypto.

>>53533204

No its not

>>53534392
right, but if you're making that kind of relationship with a third party, wouldn't you want to make damn sure they're legitimate?
where was the due diligence?
he led his flock to the slaughter house and didn't even find it necessary to comment

250 replies of people mostly pretending to be upset and demoralized at LINK's progress. Nearly everyone who invested at the beginning knew this would be a decade long hold. It was discussed frequently how long it would take for smart contracts to become the standard form of agreement. Its been about half way now. It went up literally 500x from ICO.

Crypto is heavily cyclical. If you didn't take any profits previously than maybe next time you will rethinking your strategy. Sure never sell all of them but create a plan and follow it.

Most people suffer from intense solipsism and aren't able to believe that people are willing to do disgusting things they themselves would never do.

Some people literally aren't aware of Good and Evil.

People will lie for monetary gain and power and there are many in this thread.

>>53534619
Yes it is. I’m one of them.

>>53529443
>its a secret that only me and my frog board knows

Fuck off already you piece of shit. Did Google happen to announce a trusted partnership with Enron?

>the fud is exactly like 2018, I've been through this guise, keep hodling
>ignore the posters they're pretending to be upset and demoralized, there's nothing to be upset about
>it was always a decade long hold bros
this kind of delusional, divorced from reality posting is unironically the biggest sell signal

>>53534836
i don't believe in that hiding strategy bs desu but was just checking if what he said was accurate, which it wasn't

>>53534818

Sure you are 1pbtid that just happened to join the thread kek

>>53534936

You should sell then. Be sure to post your order as well.

This was heavily discussed in 2018 and known as a decade long hold. That was expressed verbatim. I just talked about it here.

>>53534817
>Nearly everyone who invested at the beginning knew this would be a decade long hold. It was discussed frequently how long it would take for smart contracts to become the standard form of agreement. Its been about half way now. It went up literally 500x from ICO.


I bought with that exact intention. That didn't mean we couldn't see some gains during that period.

We did see massive gains too 500x roughly from ICO price.

>>53534817

None of this ramble has anything to do with the conversation. Scroll back up. Or better yet, go ahead and fuck off. Dont you have a self help youtube channel you should be working on?

>>53534685
I'm going to be honest, I don't really care and I don't see why anyone else would either. Its just another failed crypto experiment, par for the course. Unless I specifically fell for celsius, to me its just another meaningless blip on the radar that means nothing. To me link is a long term hold and defi and all that was a fun distraction but it just doesn't matter in the grand scheme, either it wins the big prize with swift/dtcc etc and changes the game, or it fizzles into nothing. The rest of this shit is pointless cup games designed to swindle the masses.

>>53535061

It has everything to do with the conversation. There is a blantant push for demoralization propaganda among LINK holders when no other project is even remotely targeted in the same frequency even though everything is down approximately the same amount.

They are a legit monopoly and the standard for their subset of crypto. They are confirmed working with SWIFT.

Most of all these lines applies greatly.

>Nearly everyone who invested at the beginning knew this would be a decade long hold. It was discussed frequently how long it would take for smart contracts to become the standard form of agreement. Its been about half way now. It went up literally 500x from ICO.

>Crypto is heavily cyclical. If you didn't take any profits previously than maybe next time you will rethinking your strategy. Sure never sell all of them but create a plan and follow it.

It doesn't mean LINK won't make great strides before the decade was over both in price action and deliverable functions. It has done both of those things.

>>53535107
>To me link is a long term hold and defi and all that was a fun distraction but it just doesn't matter in the grand scheme, either it wins the big prize with swift/dtcc etc and changes the game, or it fizzles into nothing.

Its pretty much this. This was the bet I made in 2018. It would either change the world completely if the founders executed on what they set out to accomplish or it would fizzle and die.

Based on the groups backing it, like the WEF/SWIFT, I came to the conclusion that is was unlikely to fail outright because in the real world winners are often chosen nowadays.

Especially in tech where similar ideas are developed at the same time and it just comes down to who gets the funding or has better networking.

I've made my bet now its time to let it play out. I've already made quite of bit of money from it as well.

>>53535136
>It doesn't mean LINK won't make great strides before the decade was over both in price action and deliverable functions. It has done both of those things

Reasons why I'm keepin' on hodlin' dat shit cuz FUD don't phase me, I stash it in my trustwallet and sylo wallet for the lulzy long run, ain't no way I'm sellin' out, and cope later.

>>53535540
A currynigger typing like a nigger. Curious.

>>53534259
Then they quietly removed funds before it blew up
>>53535136
Dumb ass. The team can’t perform, that’s why we are all pissed.

>>53532737
it's funny to see schizos like OP rage

>>53535628
>Dumb ass. The team can’t perform, that’s why we are all pissed.

Everything is intentionally structured to make you feel that way however what are building will eventually come to fruition.

Once you realize and understand it then its easy to just place your bet and carry on with life.

>>53535540

Strangely based nigger is gonna make it. Just don't fall for the FUD brother.

>>53535631

He isn't raging most of the FUD threads are organized propaganda by paid groups.

He literally doesn't care as long as he gets paid.

>>53536102
You are responding to a jeet/bot

>>53536156

Maybe. Some people actually talk like that unfortunately kek

>>53536210
No I mean literally he's shilling sylos, nobody talks like that, anytime you see any number of projects like railgun orn etc its just jeets/bots, the fact you can't identify that and have the audacity to claim everyone talking about link is paid fudders just shows how out of touch you are. The other anon was right, its mostly just demoralized link holders. I prefer positivity but you're really out of your depth discussing what's going on here.

>>53532737
>the most shilled most overpromised and most underdelivered project gets shit on the most
wonder why that could be

What happened to 1k eoy 5 years ago?

>>53536359
>>53536359

Its just as likely it wasn't a shill and some retard actually uses sylo.

Imagine thinking anyone would go use it after reading someone mention it from a post like that. It would have the opposite effect.

Sure maybe they get paid to just simply post it but then what is the point.

The obvious shills are the people trying to conflate multiple tokens together.

"I got my ORE and LINK stacks I'm ready" etc as if LINK holders will then go check out some jeet scam.

Imagine using anything but a hardware wallet for cold storage.

The FUD is better funded for LINK I suppose. I mean you for example speak fluent English kek

>>53536487
>What happened to 1k eoy 5 years ago?

It was a meme from the "7777777 post get".

You know "My Linky stays super stinky $1000 EOY"

You realize no one actually thought it was going to be $1000 EOY right? It was a joke. Sure maybe someday it will be but obviously not right after the project launched.

I was in the original thread when it happened. I mean you can even script those gets. Its fun but didn't mean anything

>>53516012
fudfags btfo desu

>>53536494
Go back

>>53536690

Go where nigger?

Oh is it my superior double spacing?

You realizes that "Plebbit spacing" is actually a meme that exposes new fags being new fags and no one actually cares if posts are spaced.

In fact its easier to digest and speed read. Of course, your IQ would have to be above 120 to worry about speed reading and actually retaining info so I can see why it upsets you.

>>53536734
Total reddit response

>>53536734
>not knowing why he was told to go back
>spergs out about some unrelated bullshit

>>53536823

>No U

Yeah I'm the one guilty of a Plebbit response

>>53536823

If I would have said anything else you would have said it was the double spacing.

Kill yourself

>>53536750

>>No U
Yeah I'm the one guilty of a Plebbit response

This was for you. Too many faggots complaining at the same time

>>53527715
Which isn't needed and why crypto purists don't get it, settlement layer trust assumptions just need to be lowered sufficiently and the economic security will be handled by the oracle layer. This is why something like AVAX horizontal scaling will be perfectly fine for institutions along with private/consortium ledgers.

>>53525060
SWIFT does more volume in 8 hours than SNX and Aave have done, total, combined.

>>53528999
You need staking 1.0 and the rep system to more fully decentralize, nodes are all white-listed. The bootstrapping phase is long and cannot be avoided however.

>>53537156
if they had a full working product it would be fine, They dont have shit. I get that they cant reley on defi and are working on the swift thing full time. What i mean is memefi is secndary but they are so god dam slow. They could be releasing shit and fucking up retails money and fixing on the go. I suppose if you have to sell it to some bank you want a flawless record

>>53537319
It is chicken/egg, there is not enough value in crypto to warrant fully fledged staking because nothing needs that level of economic security that SLS provides. It probably does need an institution to bootstrap value and they will not rush anything. Most were all delusional about how fast this could all go.

>>53537469
>Most were all delusional about how fast this could all go.
myself included. I was hopeful when seeing the tesla rental and renting and selling houses and condos. i come to terms with the fact that this whole space needs to grow. We need identity we need kyc we need every bit of bullshit in tradfi to move forward.

>>53537580
>We need identity we need kyc we need every bit of bullshit in tradfi to move forward.
i prefer killing it on it track, it sound like a dsytopian hellhole

>>53537156
that's incorrect
nodes are not whitelisted
have a read of the gns post i linked

>>53537580
Ya. All the critical components depend on chainlink which is why it cannot be rushed. E.g. nothing at all can do what DECO can.

>>53528737
>swift integration does not threaten people's stacks
Plenty of people have lost their "stacks" with Swift, the fuck are you talking about.

>>53528970
>"Bitcoin protocol" doesn't mint Bitcoin as mining rewards
wow ok

>>53535628
>The team can’t perform, that’s why we are all pissed.
The fud was just as bad when Chainlink outperformed the market for two years straight.

>>53538244
>Plenty of people have lost their "stacks" with Swift, the fuck are you talking about.

No they haven't WTF are you talking about? Celsius, Bancor, and FTX. No one lost anything from SWIFT.

>>53539428
>No one lost anything from SWIFT.
I don't think you know what Swift is.

First result in google: https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/another-swift-hack-stole-12-million-a-9121

>>53539469

That is a disingenuous post though. Based on the context, you were implying people lost crypto because of SWIFT, which is 100% not true.

Sure any bank or legacy financial settlement layer has vulnerabilities and people can lose fiat potentially although there is often insurance in place.

>>53539490
>you were implying people lost crypto because of SWIFT
The argument was about Sergey "pushing" projects that "weren't safe".

>>53539544

Again disingenuous though. SWIFT is as safe as any other financial institution and finance service provider.

>>53539569
>SWIFT is as safe as any other financial institution
And yet they lose billions in hacks all the time.

What is wrong with your brain?

>>53539574

So does other financial institutions all the time yet we use them. Ironically crypto is trying to solve security issues but then creates some others in the process.

What is wrong with yours?

>>53539584
>So does other financial institutions all the time yet we use them
That's kind of my point, yes.

>>53539593

Then why you are singling out things Sergey "pushed" if they are all guilty of the same problems?

>>53539617
I'm literally calling out faggots for singling out Sergey.

>>53529536
>biz's problem is thinking retail cares about technical backend stuff
million times this. all this arguing about the tech is waste of time PA wise

>the schizo shill and the retard shill infighting
>you're the fudder1
>no you are!!
poetic
do a favor to this board and rope yourselves together

>>53527895
>how in the fuck will any value be generated until something leads to actual utility and adoption
Funny how this question only ever pertains to Chainlink, and not shit like ADA, QNT, etc.

>>53539799
>stop focusing on your investment, here look at all the other shitty projects reeee
full circle from my first post >>53524885 it is also funny how you got "activated" after being dormant for half an hour when I posted

>>53539813
The widespread double standard against Chainlink is a large part of the reason why it's out of the top 20, while shit like ADA is firmly top 10 despite not even working.

and now he's just repeating the same arguments from a day ago
kek
ok shill, I'll stop having expectations about the most professional and decorated team in the space and I'm going to start treating Chainlink like it's ADA
better now? satisfied?

>>53539840
>I'm going to start treating Chainlink like it's ADA
If everyone started doing this it would do wonders for the price.

>>53539787

I didn't actually call him a shill I wanted him to clarify his position.

You on the other hand are just a faggot so there's that though

>>53539827
it was heavily shilled in 2020 and that didnt stop the price from catering, none of us here have the power to control the price.

>>53539857
>it was heavily shilled in 2020
It was fudded so badly Zeus Capital compiled a huge compendium of this fud in 2020.

>>53539850
lmao
so far you have
>equated Bancor to SWIFT
>admitted that all of Chainlink's userbase is shit
>described SWIFT as an "old dying globohomo dinosaur"
>begged anons to treat LINK like a literal shitcoin
you're unironically the best fud
>>53539855
yes, you called him a fudder cause you're completely batshit crazy
>heh, look at all these paid fags "pretending" to be demoralized sooo inorganic, nobody is dissatisfied bro I swear it was always a 10 year hold
btw, you weren't here in 2017 and it shows so shut the fuck up pseud

>>53539879
What I said is that if Chainlink shouldn't work with anyone who isn't 100% secure and without reproach, they wouldn't be working with anyone.

>>begged anons to treat LINK like a literal shitcoin
When that literal shitcoin can stay in the top 10 despite not even working, then yes absolutely you should give Chainlink some of that treatment.

>>53539902
>What I said is that if Chainlink shouldn't work with anyone who isn't 100% secure and without reproach, they wouldn't be working with anyone.
>it is impossible to avoid working with grifters
ok anon, cute head canon ngl
>pls start treating LINK as a shitcoin pls
you know what, at this point, it might as well BE a fucking shitcoin
rope yourself

>>53539917
>>it is impossible to avoid working with grifters
Pretty much.
Also, if your standard for being a grifter is "they lost people's money", then all of legacy finance are "grifters".

>>53539928
>"they lost people's money"
typical strawman
the standard is "stealing people's money", in reality you're the one trying to equate hacking with stealing
disingenuous shill

congrats to both kWRmYfQb and qsmlPCkL
for successfully sliding the only decent and critical thread about LINK with their literally INORGANIC bullshit double and triple posting
fucking shills

>>53539428
>>53539490
>>53539569
>>53539584
>>53539617

>>53539879

>>53539879
>yes, you called him a fudder cause you're completely batshit crazy

See this is why people legitimately know that there is paid propaganda here to demoralize people in regards to LINK and them to doubt the project and sell.

Those tagged replies at the top of my posts were the only interaction I had with him. I never once used the word "fudder" or "FUD" in any interaction I had with him.

You are 100% just lying. I said he was being disingenuous about SWIFT security issues and then he clarified and I looked at his other posts. I then understood what he was saying.

This is how I know not to sell.

You people have nothing of real substance to create fear, uncertainty, or doubt so you and lie and hope others see it without actually going through the thread.

Its honestly unreal.

>>53539949
>the standard is "stealing people's money"
Banks do that all the time, yes.
Either directly by literally losing/confiscating/... people's money, or indirectly through taxpayer-funded bailouts.

>>53539967
>INORGANIC

ALL CAPS SO IT MUST BE TRUE OH MY

Kill yourself you nigger faggot

>>53539968
>Then why you are singling out things Sergey "pushed" if they are all guilty of the same problems?
look at the smiley shill being nuanced and disingenuous
so you want to me to believe you didn't infer he was a fuddie by this post
why are you incapable of being sincere?
>>53539976
>HUGE

>REDDIT

>SPACING

>MEANS I'M A TRUE SCHIZO LISTEN TO ME ANONS BUY LINK DON'T GET SHAKEN OUT AAAAAAAHRRGH I'M GONNA TRIPLE POOOOST

>IT'S KING MADE I WAS CONVINCED BY SOME ANONS YEARS AGO, I MEAN WEF LOOK AT THIS SHIT BROS

>WINNERS ARE CHOSEN DECADES AGO, EVERYTHING IS SET IS STONE, THAT'S HOW EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES WORK


>IGNORE THE INORGANIC PAID FUD REEEEEEEEEE

>>53539982
>>53539982
>so you want to me to believe you didn't infer he was a fuddie by this post

He then clarified and it made sense. He in fact wasn't being disingenuous, I misunderstood what he was saying in general.


I'm not buying. I'm simply holding. I filled my bags at $0.30. Everyone else should do whatever is right for their personal situation.

Yes don't get shaken out though. Why the fuck would someone sell now at 85%+ down kek

Also Plebbit spacing is how OGs identify newfags like yourself. No one actually cares about it so when homosexual niggers like yourself cry about it then it means you've been here for a month max. You think its real. Its actually just outs you.

>NEVAR FORGET CULT OF SATURN CULT OF DEMER, OCCULT SATURNALIA AND SANDRO SALSANO DON'T WANT YOU ALL TO MAKE IT

>216 42 laliluleilo

>did you charge the sacred sigil with your sperm anons????

>REMEMBER THE BREADCRUMBS!1!1!1

>>53540012
pic rel is for you "OG" sweaty, remember Blythe Masters and Digital Asset?

>>53540003

I read the 4th Industrial Revolution in 2017 by Klaus Schwab and Smartcontract.com was mentioned by name in the book.

That was my initial exposure to LINK as it was for many. I then understood the implications of smart contracts, that they would need real world data, and bought as much LINK as humanely possible.

Then I became rich about 5 years later. Its all still kind of insane to think about it.

>>53540018
>>53540018
humanly*

>>53540018
pic rel continued from before
>klaus shilled them 7 years ago, you now what this means anon, right
>"everything is set is stone, trust the plan"
>10 more years anons
>it is done, everything getting shilled by WEF is kingma-
https://www.weforum.org/organizations/ripple

>>53540016

Yeah its been a wild ride.

I didn't charge the sigil though that is degenerate occult worship.

>>53540032
yeah, the breadcrumbs also turned out to be wrong and LINK literally lost a huge real world usecase which would lead to actual adoption instead of the defi casino
but sure, an OG like yourself did know about Maersk, right?

>>53540027
>https://www.weforum.org/organizations/ripple

This is much different and not nearly as impact as being his book. Quite different in terms of importance. They put all kinds of garbage on the website.

>>53540046
did you read the book anon? it literally mentions "smartcontract.com" ONCE
if anything, ripple shilling had much bigger impact back then

>>53540044

Can't win them all. The thing is though is that we don't have too. That's the best part. There is so much value as legacy infrastructure transitions over to blockchain. Literally hundreds of trillion of value when you count derivatives. Only 1% needs to be captured and its "king made".

>>53540051
>did you read the book anon? it literally mentions "smartcontract.com" ONCE

Well yes the book wasn't about just crypto it was about a myriad of technologies that comprise the 4th Industrial Revolution. Chainlink Labs/Smartcontract.com at the time got its mention.

There was also biomedical and tons of other topics.

>>53540057
>Blythe masters breadcrumbs don't matter
>maersk doesn't matter
>Oracle integration falling through doesn't matter
>Docusign disheartening doesn't matter
>Tom Gosner ghosting the entire community doesn't matter
>DeFi imploding doesn't matter
>the entire space being a useless bloated inefficient and slow circus doesn't matter
>the only thing that matters are ancient breadcrumbs
>>53540060
thanks for conceding that klaus mentioning in one sentence Chainlink isn't actually such a big deal

>>53540064
>thanks for conceding that klaus mentioning in one sentence Chainlink isn't actually such a big deal

It was to me. Its why I'm rich now and will continue to become even moreso.

Thanks Klaus although I won't be eating ze bugz or living in ze pod

>>53540079
>I drank the koolaid and you all have to do the same
cool story bro

>>53540064
Also SWIFT is ancient and is confirmed. The testing phases for CBDCs by various central banks around the world is starting now.

>>53540087
swift is a dying dinosaur according to your colleague >>53525609
fight

>>53540084
>>I drank the koolaid and you all have to do the same

No everyone in this thread can do whatever they want. I'm just telling people its obvious there legitimate paid actors trying to get you to sell.

If that is right for you then do it. I prefer to spread the truth.

>>53540101
>guise, my incoherent schizo ramblings about "kingmade projects handpicked by the powers that be decades ago" is (((truth)))

>>53540096

It is dying, they definitely need an infrastructure upgrade. Something like CCIP perhaps. Oh wait

>>53540112
>aaakscually sweaty, Chainlink will save SWIFT from irrelevance!!
and the schizo posting keeps coming

>>53540110

Comment the following words below:

NIGGER
FAGGOT
KIKE

>>53540129
certainly
you are without a doubt the blackest gorilla nigger faggot kike I've ever seen

>>53540133

Okay so you aren't JIDF or ADL.

Just a paid actor outside of those. Good to know.

>>53540141
>o-o-kay you're a paid bulgarian
if anyone is getting paid here it's you, desperate to enforce your astroturfed head canon
>IGNORE THE DISSATISFIED POSTERS REEEEEEEEE
>heh, it doesn't matter we'll win in the end
if LINK is truly kingmade, what the fuck are you doing in this thread with your double and triple posts
checkmate faggot kike paid shill

>>53540150

I'm bored kek

>>53540158
>n-n-noooo I'm not paid to post here, I'm just bored
sure shill, whatever you say
get fucked

>>53540168

Yeah pretty much why are you here?

>>53540180
because I want to scrutinize LINK because I'm firmly convinced it absolutely deserves scrutiny and currently your schizoid delusional posts are triggering me

>>53540191
>schizoid delusional posts are triggering me

Wait until you find out they are true.

Cult of Saturn my brother in Christ.

I'll leave it there.

Godspeed

>>53540215
you are literally using the same exact format that a prominent xrp schizo shill uses in /xsg/
I am now entirely convinced the people behind the schizo shills are also behind the xrp shilling, it can't be a fucking coincidence
unless there's like a certain profile for schizos on 4chan and they all exhibit a certain behavior, but that seems unlikely
>Cult of Saturn my brother in Christ
you do realize that cult worships Satan (Saturn), right?
kek the absolute state of deranged shills

>>53540215
I also have to commend you for switching up your shill tactics, instead of declaring that every poster is a paid shill you know changed your tune lmao

>>53540228
>

I follow the God of the universe not the God of the Bible.

As I said Godspeed

>>53540253
you also follow extraVod, blockchain backer and the bearable bull

>>53540228
>He doesnt know most xrp shilling is ironical

Whole point of the coin is to scam newfriends

>>53540299
>he fell for the "LINK is a meme is a meme" meme

>>53540306
You're definitely pic related

>>53540438

>>53540524
AND you're that CLG stalker too.

You obviously have an obsessive personality disorder.
I bet you have/had great personal troubles with alcohol, drugs, sex, and/or gambling.

>>53540583
what's the point of these shitposts? you have been obliterated itt, no arguments, bullshit false equivalences and you have contributed nothing

>>53540710
Are internet arguments important to you?

>>53540720
yes and for you as well
you do realize you forgot to switch ids right?

>>53540729
>and for you as well
Absolutely not. All I care about is my investment.

>you do realize you forgot to switch ids right?
What?

>>53540737
then why do you keep quoting me?

>>53540745
Because I want to uphold the reputation of my investment in any way I can.

>>53540752
so you do care about internet arguments
try offering arguments next time

>>53540756
>so you do care about internet arguments
I care about the money involved in them.

>>53540763
and so do I, and the best way to present your thesis is by offering actual arguments instead of resorting to stupid insults and projections
your point?

>>53540768
I offered tons of arguments.
You failed to reply to a bunch of them.

>>53540774
such as "SWIFT is a globohomo dinosaur"
and "all of LINK's clients are grifters"
amazing arguments anon, way to uphold the reputation of your investment

>>53540783
>such as "SWIFT is a globohomo dinosaur"
>and "all of LINK's clients are grifters"
If you contend that Chainlink shouldn't work with projects that later failed or did scammy things, then you are also contending that Chainlink shouldn't work with Swift or literally any of the cryptos that are currently using Chainlink; including Swift, Compound, ...

>>53540802
yes, that's my point, if they are indeed the best team in the space yada yada then they should literally handpick every entity that wants to be promoted by Chainlink, such as Bancor and Celsius
regarding SWIFT, if they are indeed failing then Chainlink consequently is betting on the wrong horse
I'm literally using your retarded arguments against you

>>53540821
>they should literally handpick every entity that wants to be promoted by Chainlink
That would mean not picking Swift, Compound, Aave, ...

>if they are indeed failing then Chainlink consequently is betting on the wrong horse
Swift is thousands of banks. Even if they were dying or failing, it would be retarded not to work with them.

>>53540845
>That would mean not picking Swift, Compound, Aave, ...
why do you repeat yourself? I told you, YES
>Swift is thousands of banks
no it isn't, it is a banking messaging standard, you're confusing SWIFT with the World Bank

>>53540856
>no it isn't, it is a banking messaging standard
Swift is a cooperative, anon.
It's basically a Voltron made up of thousands of banks.

>>53540869
>The Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication (SWIFT), legally S.W.I.F.T. SC, is a Belgian cooperative society providing services related to the execution of financial transactions and payments between banks worldwide. Its principal function is to serve as the main messaging network through which international payments are initiated.[2] It also sells software and services to financial institutions, mostly for use on its proprietary "SWIFTNet", and assigns ISO 9362 Business Identifier Codes (BICs), popularly known as "SWIFT codes".
how do you fancy yourself as a "community advocate" when you're literally that clueless

>>53540878
Your quote literally says what I said.

>>53540886
>see my quote had "cooperative" in it, that means that SWIFT is a thousand banks!111
illiterate or genuinely retarded, I can't tell anymore

>>53540891
Swift is a cooperative, anon.
It is adopted by 11k banks, and they all have their say in how Swift is run.

>>53540927
just because they're using the same service it doesn't mean they have a say in how the service is operating you moronic fag
>LINK is a cooperative anon
>it is adopted by 1k projects, and they all have their say in how LINK is run

>>53540943
>just because they're using the same service it doesn't mean they have a say in how the service is operating
In the case of Swift, it does.

"As a cooperative society under Belgian law, SWIFT is owned by its member financial institutions"

>>53540953
>representing approximately 2,400 Shareholders from across the world
in typical shill fashion, you choose to omit the most important part of the quote
shareholders aren't banks you absolute mongoloid
even if we accept your retarded premise, you said 11k banks when all evidence points to 2.4k actual shareholders

>>53540980
>shareholders aren't banks you absolute mongoloid
Swift requires that its shareholders be financial institutions.

Article 9 of the Swift By-laws sets out that any organisation may be considered for admission as a Swift shareholder, if, in the opinion of the Board of Directors, the institution is:
involved in the same type of business as the other shareholders, and
involved in financial message transmission.

I hope you all die of aids

>>53540064
Did people actually not notice that SWIFT, DTCC and BNY all were on the same panel together bothering to show up at SmartCon? What do they represent? Like basically a majorirty of Western based tx value... lol.. probably nothing. Also why do you think DTCC hasn't released DSM directly on ETH yet? Probably coz they realized they are better off re-working with CCIP.

>>53540980
>you said 11k banks
Swift literally has 11k members, and literally all of them have legally protected interests in the cooperative.

>>53536533
Pathetic attempt to try to reframe. Just be honest and admit you expected triple digits last bull run like the rest of us. Almost any other coin during '21 would've provided better gains.

Also with respect to your other posts, you're delusional if you think this is all a paid fud campaign. That would imply that you actually think that posts made on Biz move the market. You have to be young or just really stupid to believe that.

Further, the whole "look at how much time people are spending posting here" argument doesn't hold water, or else you'd have the admit the reverse was true, which is that you're paid to post here on behalf of the team. Not being a fucking retard, I don't believe that to be the case.

>>53541962
>talking about your investment is the same as talking about other people's investment
That's literally not how that works.

>>53539928
So disingenuous... When is the last time you put money in a bank and it just disappeared?

>>53542014
>When is the last time you put money in a bank and it just disappeared?
The wind just wooshed from you pivoting so hard kek

>>53541982
strawman. I and several others here have already said we own Link. You're so used to being on autopilot "fighting le fud" that you don't even read what people are saying. This isn't sportsball, I can criticize my own investment

>>53542077
you said itt that Chainlink has been "ripping us off for years", if you believe this and are still holding a single Link, then you're plain retarded.