/biz/ - Business & Finance

>will there be an overabundance of people working in trades when white collar workers lose their jobs in 20 years and go to trade school and and
Just retire before you're 80 bro

>>53494148
what I am suggesting is that they won't lose their jobs in 20 years, it will be sooner

>>53494154
And? They're just gonna show up and be good plumbers/welders/HVAC techs?
If/when the trade market gets flooded, companies will stop doing paid training.
Also, average age or an HVAC technician is 57.

I will never work as a carpenter, a plumber or in construction.

I refuse those slave labor jobs. I'd rather be homeless.

>>53494133
this is a trick
they just want carpenters and plumbers to work for cheaper

>>53494327
>slave labor
??? then who is the master?? don't sell yourself short

>>53494133
AI can program, solve math equations, design graphics, argue in court, do your taxes and be consulted like a licensed medical professional all in one ten minute session. So yeah, everyone's fucked and nothing is truly safe for long.

The last remaining wagie jobs will be low wage, backbreaking physical labor while AI makes corporations 100x richer while laying off 90% of their workforce and with little to no work on their end. Isn't the future wonderful?

>>53494399
>>53494327
>carpenter
>backbreaking
Anon, I...

>>53494327
>posted from him moms basement

inb4
>night time security so comfy

>>53494399
If you’ve used ChatGPT then you know it can’t do those things. It just regurgitates things it’s been trained on that sound right. E.g. it’ll give you an answer that sounds believable, but that’s totally wrong

>>53494399
I'm going to become some sort of Luddite prophet and create a religion based around destroying computers. Recession proof job.

>>53494399
Who says these are low wage or would be low wage in this said future, you dont have any idea what these jobs make today do you

>>53494133

The irony is that white collar people sat at desks predicted the imminent end of truck drivers around 2010. It's more likely that all commuter/small vehicle transportation will be automated before 50ton trucks, given the catastrophic consequences of computer error with a heavy vehicle.

Things like carpentry, plumbing are hard to automate, as opposed to any job where a human sits in front of a computer.

>>53494327
It's not the work I hate, it's the people. Tradies are so unimaginably fucking retarded. Aggressively normie.

>>53494133
No there isn’t. All of these news articles are just mass immigration peddling.

>>53494133
lol becuase it does not pay
females despise you
soceity thimks your stupid

I agree carp is good job, I liek the smell of wood as well

Plumbing though dealing with other peoples shit, forget that.

Also trademend routinely don't get paid after doing a job

>>53494458
>it’ll give you an answer that sounds believable, but that’s totally wrong
https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/01/wolframalpha-as-the-way-to-bring-computational-knowledge-superpowers-to-chatgpt/
This has been solved. Just a year or two before it is implemented for most professions and tasks.

>>53494399
And the self checkout machine was going to take over retail jobs. Lol. The self checkout machine is a fucking retard

>>53494133
work on your written communication skills, holy fuck. and yes, the trades will be saturated. manual labor fucking sucks but most non-college degree jobs are truly dead end and low wage as hell, so people are desperate for anything.

>>53495098
>before self checkout
5-10 individual cashiers ringing people up in their lanes, often times with baggers as well, and likely another manager needed to manage them
>after
1 self check clerk, 1 (maybe) individual cashier depending on time of day

Carpentry seems good. Good enough for Jesus good enough for me.
I tried tradie stuff and the coworkers ruined it. Hours were long and somewhat erratic. Never got 2 days off in a row. But the coworkers really just killed the job. I went in with zero experience and I made that abundantly clear. I got one day of online training then I got put into the shop. The coworkers kept messing with. Purposely telling me the incorrect information to get me in trouble. It was very odd. The assistant boss was a pain too really believed in making yourself look busy. Couldn't be me. They were also very vulgar and smelly. One guy always smelled like a sewer.
I quit for a lower paying bank teller job while I look at other options. Might go into accounting.

>>53495245
kek. i never understood this retarded hazing phenomena that surrounds shitty jobs (skilled trades, military, menial labor, etc.)
>DUDE CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS GUY WHO JUST STARTED TODAY DOESN'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT THE JOB WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR 35 YEARS? LMAO WHAT A FAGGOT IDIOT!!!!!! LET'S FUCK WITH HIM! HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

>>53495268
I've found it to be pretty common from other people. I've seen similar posts here and /diy/. Even a coworker from my bank tried welding only to have a similar experience.

>>53494497
Yea most of them suck but they’re easy to control if you’re not meek and you’re witty enough to play their retarded games right back on them.

>>53494133
Zoomers aren't going into trades. They want to be social media managers and influencers.

>>53495340
fwiw i work in accounting and i've never once seen this sort of low IQ normalnigger behavior. i've had some dumb questions from new staff but that's okay -- everyone has a different starting point, and we're all here to learn.

>>53495268
>>53495245
It’s literally just cope for working a low paying low status job.

>>53494327
Honestly any of that is ten times better than being a waiter or a cashier.

I bought a house and started learning plumbing, electricity, building etc. and all related to that and holy shit the amount of knowledge to do these things properly is really not that high. Also the people I'm buying services for do not know how to type emails properly (except for the electrician). I think I'll become the smartest trademan in history. The physical aspect of the work is not that difficult in the end.

>>53494458
>it’ll give you an answer that sounds believable, but that’s totally wrong

thats fine, wagies cant even give answers that sound believable so its an improvement.

>>53495672
>Also the people I'm buying services for do not know how to type emails properly (except for the electrician). I think I'll become the smartest trademan in history.
i've noticed this as well. it's like talking to a person with high functioning mental retardation. also they just ghost for days or weeks on end. completely unacceptable in other professions.

>>53494133
>impending oversupply of tradespeople
My asssss. There are already far too many of these scammers here in Europe. Overcharging as fugg because people nowadays can't even google how to disconnect a simple washing machine.
Unless you are really good at programming, I don't see why you wouldn't simply go into trades. Easy as fuck, short work hours, paid better than engineering. Only very very few trades actually are kind of "backbreaking" so even weaklings can do most trades without a problem.

>>53494458
chatgpt is based on gpt3 which was trained on 175 billion parameters.
gpt4, which is coming soon, will be 100 trillion parameters.
you have to be retarded if you think this is the extent of what things will be like.

>>53494444(czeched)
You didn't specify Finish Carpentry, anon. There are aspects of carpentry that can he physically demanding. Though, you do have a point in that carpentry shouldn't really be lumped in with welding, or plumbing, or general construction labor.

>>53494133
Have you seen how fat and weak everyone is? This is like worrying the world will suddenly become too swole. It's not a concern.

>>53494461
You're probably joking but if you took cues from successful messianic stuff in the past and played your cards right there would be a very receptive audience for that sort of thing.

>>53495268
Playing mean jokes like that can be a coping mechanism for guys with real shitty lives (multiple divorces, kids hate them, have to keep working for child support, etc. They all have stories like this.)
They can also be a kind of shit-filter to tell you if the new guy has his head on straight, or will be a liability.
I got tested by stuff like that during my first engineering internship at a factory. The maintenance guys asked me for an "Aluminum magnet", which I recognized was a shit test, but I played along. When I came back with a roll of duct tape and said
>Here's that Aluminum magnet you asked for. It was right next to the left-handed crescent wrenches
I think it demonstrated that I can take a joke and play along, but also I'm not a dumb ass and won't break shit or hurt myself doing something stupid.
Just my $0.02. Blue Collar types usually have hard lives that make them bitter.
They all cracked up and it raised my status with them.

>>53495394
This guy gets it.

>>53495787
>Unless you are really good at programming
how did you know?

Hello, actually in the industrial sector here vs talking out of the ass.

No - there is still extremely limited interest in any sort of manual labor positions, especially in the younger generations. Businesses in the US are relying heavily on their older workforce currently and the younger generation shows no interest in it regardless of pay. I'm seeing high-school grads turn down $25 an hour entry level welding positions and work at a lower paying service job. I can't really understand it but overall we desperately need more people in the trades. Please dear God learn to weld.

Physical labor is already undervalued

From a historical perspective it is already underpaid as only a small percentage of healthy men are even capable of unskilled labor, then asking them to be skilled on top of it is even rarer.

>>53496134
> I'm seeing high-school grads turn down $25 an hour entry level welding positions and work at a lower paying service job.
you're not getting exposed to an endless stream of 18-22 year old pussy at a welding job.

>>53494458
Tell me the difference between that and your teachers lmao

>>53496134
>>53496170
also any sort of manual labor job wants to wageslave you to the maxxx with mandatory overtime, at least in my experience.
>DUDE I JUST LOVE THE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE OF 20 HOURS OF MANDATORY OVERTIME A WEEK BECAUSE MY BOSS IS TOO CHEAP TO HIRE MORE WORKERS

>>53495268
The only thing they have going for them is their trade. They weren’t cool, they weren’t good looking and they weren’t good in school. They have to up the value of their skill by withholding it to feel like bigger men.

>>53496134
You are underpaying at 25 for a trade, I was hiring overnight stock clerks at 21 for Walmart

>do back breaking work 50 hours a week for decent pay
>or go to college and do 40 hours of mind numbing work for similar pay inside a cool air conditioned office or at home

Hmm I wonder why people dont want to do these jobs.

I have no idea why retards keep flooding into the trades considering they are low paying garbage, but it’s hilarious that retard /pol/cels are going to end up broke because their retard leaders like Sam Hyde encourage them to do these horrible fucking jobs

I enjoy doing shit with my hands like welding/woodwork as a hobby. Programming pays more but i fucking hate working in tech. Any ideas for a job with hands that isnt backbreaking labor shit wage tier?

>>53494133
90% of office work is already redundant superfluous make work. AI won't change anything

>>53496321
Nuclear reactor technician

>>53496321
Lab work (I work in material science R&D)... but it pays like utter shiet and you will work 12/day but get no overtime. Feels good man :)

>>53496321
stay in tech and retire early, especially if you wfh.

>>53494363
>then who is the master
the lazy fatass company owner driving around in a new lifted quadcab diesel barking orders and acting self important

>>53494497
>>53494327
kek looking forward to you killing yourself as a failure. Livestream it please!

>>53494133
Tradie is the prefect job for zoomers

>>53496076
what a miserable, pathetic existence

>>53494327
>I refuse those slave labor jobs. I'd rather be homeless.
same

>>53496708
Yeah man, manufacturing is pretty hellish. I got out ASAFP.

>>53494497
What do you think the corporate world is?

>>53496841
retards are annoying but "smart" retards like you have in the office is even worse. fucking kindergarden tier. office politics with stacies in the mix.

>>53494133
Older zoomer here. I come from a long line of tradesmen and I had it drilled into my head for my entire life the horrors of blue collar work. I didn't believe them at first and when I was little I'd say "I want to climb on the roof like you one day!" and they would laugh and pat me on the back and say "No you're not. You're going to college." And to enforce this my dad put me to work in roofing in the summers in high school. After 4 summers of that I can safely say I am glad that's not me and I'm not tarnishing my family wish to see me be successful in an easier way. I would say the worst part in working construction, even worse than the pay and conditions is the absolute bottom of the barrel kinds of people you work with. Granted my dad owned the company so I worked with him mostly and I was shielded from these types, but I still saw a lot of their antics.

So you want some more tradespeople? You're hurting for it? Not my problem. I firmly believe that any slack left by zoomers in the construction industry will (if it hasn't already) be picked up by hispanics. The pol schizos can say what they want about them but they work harder than anyone else and the old meme that their work isn't good is starting to crack as there are so many of them that some really good tradesmen are rising to the top. I know 4chan loves to look at the trades with rose tinted glasses but it's really a bad lifestyle. I make more money than an expert journeyman with 30+ years of experience and I'm not even 30 yet, all because I went to college for a degree that leads to a great career.

>>53496841
The corporate world is leagues better than a trade.

>>53496921
my dad has been doing mechanical maintenance in a factory for 30 years. i worked in the same factory for a few years. he told me i was too smart to work there. the older workers with a head on their shoulders told us younger guys "there's no future in working here."

it's better to be the guy pushing papers in the office, or the salary manager bossing around wagies who do all of the shitty and dangerous work.

>>53494304
This, we have a generational deficit.

In my neck of the woods an apprentice laborer starts at 48k a year to just push a broom around a jobsite. 18 year kid does that for 4 years, saves moat of it, he easily could have a 100k egg and either be making 60k as a journeyman or get into a more lucrative trade

>>53494327
What a normie opinion

I’m a tradie and when robots are good enough I’m buying one to help me work. It used to be that an experienced trademan would employ a young man to help him and teach him the trade now I will just be able to buy a helper who never tires and always does as it’s told

>>53494493
>It's more likely that all commuter/small vehicle transportation will be automated before 50ton trucks
Trucks mostly go long straight distances and are consequently more easily automated than a car in a crowded city environment.

Here's what tradework is like for most people
>Health hazard
>low to average pay
>alcoholism to numb the physical and psychological suffering
>Redneck confederate flag Boomer as your boss

>>53494133
No. I believe there to be an impending shortening of supply of tradespeople. Fewer and fewer people are capable of doing handiwork.

>>53494327
What kind of man can't do carpentry, plumbing, and construction?

Although I will agree that I'm not doing plumbing for other people either.

>>53494304
KEK the tradie cope. These people are coming from a much higher paying higher iq career and can learn to turn a wrench or a screw.

Can you see any of these little zoomer boys with bushy haircut dancing on Tiktok taking a trade job? Seriously America is about to collapse.

>>53496230

This is in rural Ohio for reference. $25 an hour is a lot. No mandatory OT and if you do agree to OT you generally make 2x and 3x on holidays. Pls just work. :(

>>53494133
>devalue

More like bubble pop

>>53494133
>Muh money
Nigga I’m just tryna drown out my thoughts with physical labor

>>53494327
>Carpentry
>Slave labor
This board is full of braindead retards I swear to fucking christ

>>53494133
Fucking pay better wages. Fuck this meme about a shortage when the market is flooded with illegals, retards, and owners who don't want to fucking train people or give a shit about safety. I hate faggots like Tim Pool and advocates for MGTOW telling people to learn a trade when they themselves were in the fucking field. Most of my family members were tradesmen and told me the field is fake and gay. I didn't believe them and experienced it myself. The field is indeed fake and gay.

>>53494327
Jesus dude, have you ever even tried it? It’s a good life. You actually make shit, unlike the retards here who just click buttons and move money between fart coin and cum coin to try to make a quick buck.

>>53494461
This is a very real niche. Become the next uncle Ted.

The trades are not oversupplied. It's post like the ones ITT that show the mindset of the average 20-40 year old.

>"I'll never do it!"

Lol, poured and finished 2 10x10 concrete pads for a solar company and made a quick 3k today. Flatwork can get charged out at 10-12 a sqft because nobody wants to do.

Eventually things will become automated (I believe concrete will go the 3d printer route), but for now we're understaffed so we can charge what we need/want most of the time.

I will admit that there's a lot of middle aged braindead NPCs in the trade though. I try to be a little more lively with the younger guys, helps em wanna stick around.

>>53494133
There really isn't a shortage of people who want to learn trades it's that nobody wants to train these guys. All these companies want people who already have experience, they don't care about trade schools and apprenticeships are super picky with who they let in.

>>53494133
Manual labour jobs should pay well into six figures starting. Study after study and every statistic shows that people who work these jobs have shorter lifespans and/or develop numerous health problems later in life due to said work. That's not taking into account shift work (night shift) which is an even further detriment to your health. It's no bloody wonder nobody wants to do those jobs, get paid a mediocre wage that barely beats braindead work like stacking the shelves at a supermarket. There's a reason half the tradies out there spend their money on alcohol and drugs.

why would I risk permanent injury or death for money I can't even enjoy?

>>53498575
I really doubt concrete will go the 3d printer route. Seems too expensive and complicated.

>>53498599
>lurk indeed
>oh look a comfy network installing job setting up security cameras n shit
>must have 3-5 years experience
>lurk craigslist for whatever in labor
>need handyman that can do HVAC plumbing carpentry painting wire electricity

and they wonder why nothings getting done

>>53496841
Much of the same shit but hidden behind a facade of "proffessionalism"? At least tradies are honest with themselves, unlike corpies.

>>53494399
Pray for the butlerian jihad brothers

>>53498718
The industry needs to continue if the worker shortage continues. That's where innovation comes in. It's only smaller Hispanic crews who use a 2x4 to screed anymore, we use a vibrastrike, or a truss screed, followed by a power trowel. Why? More efficient with less guys. I think large commercial buildings will follow suit with tracks and large truss screeds..give it 20-30 years. Once it takes it off, it'll be downsized for smaller applications. People are already lasering off slabs with gps mounted loaders.

All this.. if we haven't found an alternative to concrete in the near future. Lol.

>>53498856
I’m in over my head here with respect to the construction industry, but from what I have head from my friends in manufacturing, 3d printing is good for prototyping, but if you want to mass manufacture a product it is too expensive, so you need to find an alternative method.

>>53497420
Truck crashes -several gorillion in damages
Sonata crash -we didn't need those goblins anyway

>>53494458
>If you’ve used ChatGPT then you know it can’t do those things. It just regurgitates things it’s been trained on that sound right. E.g. it’ll give you an answer that sounds believable, but that’s totally wrong
Lets assume you are right and they are not saving a better version down the lines: companies are still going to do this even if it makes the service shittier.

AI is a hot investment item, and companies like to shave money everywhere even when it hurts them long term

>>53498950
I mean how would you 3d print concrete in the first place?

>>53499004
the same way you 3d print any material you fucking brainlet

>>53499004
>>53498950
I'll be the first to admit, I don't know the most about 3d printing, but I do know concrete.

Maybe '3d printing' isn't the right terminology, but essentially a system of tracks set up that's parallel with your site. Attached to the track is a "printer" that connects to a gps system with programmed dimensions and elevations. Spanning your slab is a system of hoses that spray a Portland, small aggregate mix. What I think will be tricky is working around the larger rock they normally use in your standard int/ext mixes.

So yeah, maybe not "3d printing" per se, but more of an automated track system. You wouldn't need to have any guys at all in the mud.

>>53499046
Concrete is made out of sand gravel and cement you moron, are you telling me you are going to design a 3d printer.that can handle the difference between a 1 inch rock and dust?

The issue is its high barrier to entry. If you don’t know a guy who knows a guy, you’ll be doing the retard grunt work meant for literally single digit iq mexicans. It’s hard to make it by yourself to the higher end salaries the trades can make you.

>>53499188
>>53499208
The "printers" involved are more like three-axis pour machines hooked up to a mixer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL2KoMNzGTo

>>53499309
I knew they've been experimenting with them in the last several years, but reading the comments on the vid, seem like they're getting slightly more popular in new housing developments.

Impressive stuff, though that looks like a pure Portland, sand, fly ash, and water mix. No rock. I wonder how they'll hold up in areas with earthquakes. Also, no rebar?

Way out of a price range for a crew with 3-10 guys though.

Babysitting a little slab now and phone posting. Lol.

>>53499388
They're getting a lot of government funding because the goal is to adapt the technology for off-world use. Being able to mix up concrete from lunar or Martian regolith and locally sourced water ice, then print it without needing manual labor from astronauts in space suits, is going to be a big driver of building things like concrete landing pads for rockets on the Moon and Mars.

>>53499472
That's thinking big. Not far fetched though. I wonder when we'll build our first otherworld settlement?

On topic: join the trades if you want. Yes a lot of NPCs, but you can make good money, learn a skill... Even if it's only for a few years. Just gotta watch the slippery slope of booze and drugs, and save your dough....

It sounds like what America needs is more attractive wages.

>>53499567
Instead of rebar they use a mix of fibers to help with tensile strength where they can, and you can still insert rebar into what's already printed and use magwelding to attach it to the foundation through the already printed and still drying concrete. It's very interesting shit, extremely expensive but possible. To your point joining a trade can be a great job, my only advice to people is to know what you're worth and do everything you can to be nice to your joints/don't be a tough guy and shirk off ppe when necessary. Cut your teeth for a few years working for less than what you think you should be paid and when you finally know your shit and can prove it with hopefully a good reference to back it up, either join a real crew making real money or strike out on your own. In my experience dealing with druggies, assholes, druggie assholes and getting constantly fucked on pay is what kept the zoomzooms out the most if they had any other option available to them. Being a darker skin tone also helps huge if you're working in the sun, I'm white as fuck and did it for years but even developing a tan I still wore long sleeve shirts and wasn't afraid of sunscreen. Skin cancer ain't a joke and it ain't just the white dudes at risk for it. Also, fucking learn spanish no matter what color you are.
>t. contractor for construction after working up to the position from green hand before going into IT when my back couldn't take it anymore

>>53499627
It's just really surprising to me that even in the middle of the biggest labor crunch in recent memory, wages still haven't gained much ground against inflation and CPI. We know wages have been lagging since around the 1970s, we know that CPI and inflation are near local maxima, and yet still weak movement.
For instance I got a 5% raise in 2021, which translates to ~5% pay cut vs. CPI. What gives? What exactly would it take?

>>53494133
The fact that SQL databases (an innovation from the 1950’s) are still mystical and scary to so many large corporations’ admin roles, I can GUARANTEE AI will not replace these jobs for the next 100 years. What you’ll see however is an uptick in startups who then sell their business model to corporations who will introduce their bloat down the line.

>>53499708
Now that you mention it, I have seen those short fibers before. They just add em right in as they batch I believe. Our local plant sent us a sample.

All good advice btw.
>I'm 30
>Approaching year 10 in concrete
>Profit share with my boss, a guy a few years older with me
>Be mixed, no real sunburn
>Keeps me fit
>Gonna exit at 45ish as long as my portfolio and ETH holds

To reiterate your point to any dudes listening, the hardest part of the trades is dealing with the people. A lot of riff raff or guys who are truly the NPC meme, droning on about Jurassic World or some mundane ass shit. A mental drain for sure.

>>53494399
Who exactly is gonna have money to buy all these products in your scenario?

>>53495245
Yeah coworkers in blue collar are fucking awful. I did welding once for a little bit and the workers there were so annoying. My first day and a few were like "you still haven't finished building this piece?" as my boss was working through it with me. Thankfully my boss was cool but goddamn I hated everyone else

>>53499567
>I wonder when we'll build our first otherworld settlement?
3D printed landing pads are part of NASA's actual current plans for a moon base derived from the Artemis program and Starship based moon landers. 25 tons at a time to the moon lets you bootstrap pretty quick if you can source water and rock locally.

>>53494327
All zoomers think like this, zoomers are the most anti-work generation yet. Everyone only wants easy computer wfh job or high status job that pays 150k min a year. They are allergic to anything that is physical labour even if they can make 100k. Being a plumber isn’t even that hard but because zoomers are terminally online and addicted to social media they see it as low status, they want all the jobs they see on their tik-toks of working in for faang doing nothing but sitting in the lounge area eating snacks and socializing or being a YouTuber or Instagram influencer. If a zoomer was asked to dig a hole for a landscape company or something they’d just kill themselves, zoomers are like Jews with their adversion to physical labour

>>53499940
Every generation says this about the one after it.

>>53499940
Yes of course I would take 150 wfh doing nothing vs 100k sweating my ass off. There will always be generations of people who can’t make it through the education racket who will have no choice but to work in service/labor roles. Blaming zoomers is hilarious when you look at the age of middle managers who do LITERALLY nothing but make work for others and run pointless fucking meetings all day. Some of us actually just want to get shit done but I’m sitting here in my 3rd alignment call of the day in office despite half the workforce living in other states, you tell me if it’s zoomers’ faults that they’re averse to work or it the environment they’re raised into was fucked from the start

>>53499877
Getting fucked with, to an extent, is going to happen in any trade. It's the old heads being assholes but mostly testing you to see if you know your shit. When you can shut them up or especially when you can impress them, that's when you're good at the job. Obviously this has some nuance to it and people take it too far too often, but getting your nuts busted by methuselah until you can bust his back is gonna be part of it no matter what trade you go into. A good foreman/leader will keep it within reasonable bounds, shit ones and dickheads don't and you shouldn't work for them. Just be glad it's not the old days anymore, they'd shitkick people back then for not being good or fucking something up. Most everyone I worked with was polite because we all had hammers on our belts and more often than not a gun in the truck but I've still seen a few people get into fistfights over the absolute dumbest shit you can think of or for trying to steal tools.

Oh, and don't piss off the concrete guys. They will beat you to death, easily. Drywall guys too. Really anyone that can tote hundreds of pounds for an entire workday and still go home and fuck their wife until she gets off is someone you should be nice to even if you are an old head.

>>53494458
> It just regurgitates things it’s been trained on that sound right.

Literally 90% of white collar jobs are regurgitation of data. Accountants, Insurance, data analysis, lawyers, real estate agents, family doctors, teachers, etc. white collar will be first ti get btfo’d. They are all smug acting like robots will btfo burger flipping wagies when their ass will get btfo’d first

>>53494133
>Mechanic wanted
>Must have own tools, ability to diagnose proprietary computerized devices which requires additional software to access worth thousands of more dollars per vehicle manufacturer, understand the theory and operation of an area network with multiple modules communicating with each other, must have experience and be a good multi tasker and work on the weekends.
>Salary plus commission (That means the salary is going to be $4.95 an hour leaving you to hustle to make money flag rates)
>All the mean while exposing you to virtually every known chemical to cause ailments for menial pay demanding you provide your own tools for the job.
>Why doesn't anyone want to work anymore?!

>>53500098
>family doctors, teachers, etc.
If all a family doctor or teacher is doing is infodump word vomit they're doing something horribly wrong.

>>53500098
I took a tour of a copper mine once and learned how the introduction of pneumatic drills made the productive output of one man equal three in a day. Their pay never changed despite this increase in production, so the owner/investors pocket the diff. At the end of the day, no matter what you do, if you don’t own your labor and are on the cutting edge then you will be invalidated. Being an analyst isn’t about being right, it’s about making the labor owner feel good about themselves and being able to tell a story. Absolutely no fucking way is a CFO going to just query the data themselves with AI, they want some 22 year old college grad to nervously read off numbers so they can pressure them. It’s about the power not the raw transmission of information.

>>53497504
>What kind of man can't do carpentry, plumbing, and construction?
They look kind of like pic related

>>53500078
>A good foreman/leader will keep it within reasonable bounds

I can't tell you how many times I've had to do this. An Australian guy on our crew always fucked with the new kids, hollered at em and made em nervous. Some guys just got off on that abuse of power, which (even if the kid was fucking up) is bad for morale.

Any other foreman will tell you it's a fucking babysitting job a lot

>>53500098
Accountants only regurgitate data as a courtesy service. Their actual purpose is to spread out the liability in case something goes wrong and the IRS or SEC comes after their client.

>>53500377
>soft little hands
he went to a cushy (wharton) school and didnt even have the makings of a pro football player, no not even a varsity athlete, let alone join the navy. "Man" my ass.

>>53496921
>firmly believe that any slack left by zoomers in the construction industry will (if it hasn't already) be picked up by hispanics.

It wont because all the major high dollar projects are unionized.

It would take 100 shit box houses built by illegal labor tp equal the value of a single union trade built school and there are a half dozen schools being built in a county on any givenn year i.e hundrwds of millions of dollars

Also residential roofing is admittedly the shittiest lowest tier construction because the bar to entry is nonexistent which is why you saw the shittiest people. Its the same with landscapimg. Your old man is the equivalent of a slumlord but for construction. Not a knock on him but you are makong a huge error using that as the metric through which you judge the entire industry

>>53498718
There are 3D printed concrete homes now.

Everything is either getting automated or unitized (i.e prebuild in a shot). I estimate major construction projects and recently looked at a hotel where each room is completely prebuilt in a shop (including finishes) and a pod and simply hoisted into the structure that was built onsite.

Its like the unitized curtain wall system that was a novelty mid 20th century and is now used almost exckusively for high rises now. Only a matter of time

>>53499809
Based blanon
The thing about manual labor is that the entry is your physicality. Nothing else. So of course you get junkies and pieces of garbage who provide nothing more than their ability to lift. Of course as you say, work your way up and you'll be treated well. There's a local concrete business around here my friend works for and he's same as you, been there like 15 or so years and him and the boss are like best friends, TC is easily 6 figures if not more.
But I couldn't do it. It's definitely not for everyone. I worked in restaurants when I was younger and you literally get the worst of the worst. Nigger is not even a word to describe these people, they are literally parasitic humans, flowing down the gutter of society. I commend smart people who do those jobs as a career because I know it takes mountains of mental fortitude in order to not fucking kill one of those retards.

Apparently I'm the only person in this whole website who is actually in a trade. What the fuck are you people smoking?

>>53498950
For now but thata changing. As an example, 3D model BIM coordonation coupled with laser scanning of the jobsite and its being construction so you get an up to dat accurate 3D model used to be incredibly cost prohibitive for the labor, tools and processing power required. Its rapidly becoming a standard service my company started using it a few years ago.

Biz anons nees to realize that somenof the things thar prevented adoptipn of new technologies and methods was due to globalization. In a global worls, with cheap energy, far cheapier to source materials from across the world.

That is rapidly changing as globalism starts dying and things become much more expensive.

Hi I do HVAC and make 70-80k a year. The zoomers don’t want to work and the boomers are retiring. I should be making double what I’m paid now. I have one zoomer kid working with me and he is fucking dumber than a rock. The school system really failed him he is literally a fucking retard I’m about to get him fired

>>53500244
>journeyman technician wanted
>3-5 years electrical, millwright, plc programming, hvac preferred, 3+ years welding
>starting 19

>>53494399
How do you think corporations get richer with a society that doesn't work? You're confused about how economics works.

Anyway if they end up developing free energy in the next 10 years like they suspect they will, it doesn't matter. There's no need for anyone to work anymore

>>53496921
Spics do almost universally shit work. It's not even necessarily that they couldn't do good work, but there's no impetus when you get paid dogshit and the customer's often don't care beyond the lowest level of acceptability.

>>53494133
the problem is you cant get into trades unless you know someone. every trade is a total mafia

>>53501274
>willing to travel multiple states, 40 hours week, expect 15 hours overtime every week
>OSHA 10 OSHA 15 OSHA 20 needed before starting
>will have to finger and feel things and bend frequently
>expected to meet performance metrics
>associates degree preferred not needed but helps greatly

>>53502204
To be fair it's all bullshit at least. If you know what a volt is you can get a job basically anywhere

>>53502204
>HOW COME DONT NOBODY DONT WANT -- DONT WANT AINT TO NOT -- DONT WANT TO NOT WORKIN NO MORE??????????

>>53494537
>need moar mexicans, keep boarders open
>>53494133
Honestly anon, lots n lots of trades folk took the jab..
>DHGGWM

>>53494399
RETARD
We all benefit from the insane productivity increases in that fantasy world you created.

>>53502368
I gotcha fren. 120 years experience with electricity wiring, apprenticed under tesla. Oh and that HVAC stuff? Yeah, I troubleshooted 1960s prototype systems. I've got reference letters from MLK jr.

>>53494497
tradies are unironically based all the week soi boys are physically priced out

I remember a decade ago working nights at a food factory for a summer inbetween college semesters, having to come in and clock on time, standing all night from 10pm to 8am, unpaid 60 minute lunch, having to wear a hair net and ear plugs the whole day, being around angry depressed boomers and other temps that didn't care about anything. Literally only 2 fit girls out of a hundred people, and 1 was a butterface. All for a grand total of $11/hr.
That shit sucked so much, I got a paid internship the next year that paid 2x that at some software company, where I got to come in an hour late and nobody cared, sit around in comfy AC office in $2k chairs, even got free lunches and dinners, and write some trash python and C all day.
It was like going from the hardest job to the easiest job in the world and somehow making twice as much money kek. Only thing I miss is getting some exercise while I work, but besides that there was literally nothing redeeming about being paid peanuts for being a laborer.

>>53494133
You literally could not devalue trades more right now. I GC a lot of jobs and the plumbers and electricians we get are actually fucking retarded these days.

>>53502599
11 dollars an hour wasn't terrible in 2011 tbqh

>>53494327
once you've actually been homeless you'll be begging to be a carpenter or plumber.

>>53502623
that was in leaf dollarydoos, minimum wage was like $10/hr at the time.

>>53497540
plain wrong. zoomers are horrible because playing with touch screen all day instead of touching grass raised a generation of wood league players in hand-eye coordination.

Military complained alongside tradies and other jobs like medical surgeon because they all need people who can use their hands for more than swiping.

tldr: shits fucked and high iq doesnt fix it.

>>53494133
So far AI seems to be replacing fake tech jobs. I dont see a robot plumber or mechanic anytime soon.

>>53502691
there are factories entirely run by robots in places like Switzerland where labor is expensive. Only humans are repair crew.

Plumber should be save but the problem of tradies working for other people is if the avg person is poor the tradie cant get paid well either. And thats also why nobody wants to do trades - pay is shit. Welfare recipients wont finance rich tradies and the more go into unemployment the worse such tradie jobs will be unless the welfare state finances their pay.

Is being a scamming handyman a smart financial decision? My dumbass boomer relative paid $600 to "install" fire alarms with 3m sticky on the ceiling.

>>53502784
Depends on who you know. I got a hookup to work on restaurants in a tourist town, guy paid me a grand to install a ceiling fan, usually get about 200$ an outlet. Once got 150 cause someone had broken a grounding prong off, they thought they'd be electrocuted if they touched it

>>53499809
jfc there are actual shitskin bricklayers on this board, the bottom is not in ...dammit I bought a week ago

I just don't care

there's no pending oversupply of workers in certain industries. as much has been said already, but from my experience in the collision repair industry the old timers are all retiring or have retired and there is nobody young signing up to learn how to do this stuff. smaller shops are closing down because they can't find technicians.

I did industrial insulation for 2 years 2015 to 2016 the ball-busting in trades is unreal. God forbid you tell them you are just seeing if you like it cause many tradesmen will flat-out refuse to work with you just because you're not passionate. I did it in leaf land as well so could be different but lots of trades require you to go out of town and slave for weeks. So if you have a family, girlfriend whatever that relationship will be stretched thin regardless of money made not factoring in taxes. too many stories of friends going out of town for work only to come home to a cheating girlfriend and a mortgage that still needs to be paid. I went into Finance, not making 6 figs but making decent pay and WFH, so it really depends on what your goal is.

>>53502966
how do you do finance wfh?
i would assume its a massive security risk.

>>53503029
We use a VPN blocker, the same as in the office. We're supposed to lock out comps every time we step away as well. Don't know how many do it though

>>53503282
To add its wealth management. So if your looking for WFH finance roles that the ticket

>>53494133
>devalue them
They're already devalued, it's why no one wants to do them.

>>53498762
https://www.amazon.com/Daughter-Meter-Jon-Laurent-ebook/dp/B0BMD864VH

If you wish to plant the seed, then you must first till the soil.

>>53495787
Lots of my friends are in trades and you are lying. Hours are long if you want to make decent living. By 35-38 all have serious health problems.
It pays better in the beginning, but the only way forward is making a company and managing several.
Given that most tradies only have high school starting and running a successful company is 1/1000 for any tradie.

There will be no oversupply because it's backbreaking work and people burn out really fast or get injured. The only ones that seem to last longest are electricians and hvac techs

>>53495268
Highschool mentality. I've seen homeschooled and GED dropout guys have more manners than the graduated and failed college guys who usually end of in the trades as a last resort.

It's clearly sociopath behavior. The good thing is that these morons don't last long, because they need a team to work with. If they ever become a foreman, their jobsite will be the WORST to deal with and they'll give even journeymen a hard time when they know more than they ever did their whole lives.

I like my tradie job.

>>53500025
It's true

>>53498467
I have 109 shiba inu and have made lots of money trading Algorand and bitcoin.
Suck it and fucking kill yourself.

>>53494399
>The last remaining wagie jobs will be low wage, backbreaking physical labor
Based as fuck.
Everyone needs a strong man.

>>53496134
>I'm seeing high-school grads turn down $25 an hour entry level welding positions
Out of curiosity is the position for 55 hours a week? 100 per weekday and then 5 hours 'casual' that for some godforsaken reason you think people want to come in on Saturday for?

>>53495076
>2 more years bro

>>53503543
>10 per weekday

>>53503441
Drop out here.
When you catch a boot to the jaw after calling someone some names you tend to stop and think before insulting people.
US mutts have it easy, everyone can be packing.

>>53495551
https://www.edudwar.com/top-richest-youtubers-in-the-world/
Markiplier started playing let's plays in his mom's shitty basement.

>>53496151
skilled
/skild/
Learn to pronounce
adjective
having or showing the knowledge, ability, or training to perform a certain activity or task well.
"a lab technician skilled in electronics"
based on knowledge or experience; showing expertise.
"skilled legal advice"
I am skilled, fuck you.

>>53496186
>>DUDE I JUST LOVE THE HUSTLE AND BUSTLE OF 20 HOURS OF MANDATORY OVERTIME A WEEK BECAUSE MY BOSS IS TOO CHEAP TO HIRE MORE WORKERS
I get paid by the hour, homo.
>>53497587
I refuse to work, manual labour is the king of the trades.

this will probably get ignored since threads old but here's my run down on some trades
>welders
You'll be in a stairwell bringing up railings 90% of the time, enjoy stopping every 30 seconds as someone walks by
>sealant waterproofing
Youll carry I beams up to rooftops and assemble a swing stage
>electrician
Youll carry spools of wires up stairs and then throw miles through generic office building #2451
>carpentry
Youll measure a board and then cut it. Actually kinda based

>>53498718
We can 3d print guns bro.

>>53503633
if you can manage to get orders and deal with clients carpentry for rich fucks is probably top tier - do unique custom projects with fancy wood in your own workshop. As long as you deliver good work and avoid shit with clients dream job.

>>53501212
You're telling me. The business is filled with people who have a needle in their arm or a fuckin stranglehold on the bottle. Most of the time their fucked up relationships implode and it makes them useless, one cat that worked with us kidnapped his kids and stole a car and led the cops on a high speed chase. Absolute retard.

>>53501267
Lmao

>>53502906
Must suck to suck, bitch. Maybe you can work for me one day :)

>>53494399
Could ai replace teaching as a career? I don't see the gov stopping payment to teachers

>>53503694
Personalized ai teaching kids individually would be way above 1 teacher doing everything. Maybe you will get a hybrid where 300 kids are handled by ai and 1 human teacher if any kid cant deal with their ai.

>>53494399
>be consulted like a licensed medical professional
Doctors won't ever be replaced by AI.

>>53501010
I see your point, however I live in the south where generally almost all trades are filled with trash, and other jobs as well, and the schools, and everything else. It's a trashy place and I am glad I left

>>53503666
I was a temp worker at an agency and got sent out to help a general contractor build some new money's deck, seemed like extremely comfy work
Unfortunately it seems extremely unlikely for the average to own their own business when 90% of new construction is from 5 companies (at least in PNW)
youd have to bootstrap for 20 years and hope there's still yuppies that need gold plated trim installed

>>53494133
I teach homelessness survival courses and AI survival courses. Business is booming.

>>53503720
>be nigger
>taught by AI purple dog
>no longer oppressed
>finally meet dad

>>53502885
>Depends on who you know.
Of fucking course. So many dumbfuck rich people that made their wealth doing something unexceptional because they got the right hookups. I met a guy that told me he made $50k a year in high school cleaning houses in his gated community.

>>53498467
based

>>53498505
based

>>53503853
>Why can't I get opportunities sitting in my basement spending my allowance on shitcoins

>>53494133
this is what happens when you feminize all the male youth and convince them to chop their dicks off.

>>53501212
>>53503690
Glad to know there's other under achievers out there working physical jobs. I came here out of necessity but stuck around because it's pretty peaceful and decent money and I'm fit and athletic. So many people on heroin or just quitting because they can't handle their drug addictions. One guy never returned because he went to jail on like 5 charges. Another girl literally OD and died the monday after payday.

>>53503938
The electrician I went to school with is a tranny.

>>53503908
>"but my favorite billionaire started by freeloading in his parents garage...B-BASED!"

>>53502906
And we'll be there to do your driveway and patio at your make it mansion. Ah yes, that'll be 114k plus tip ;) Yes, that number did come from my ass.

>>53503720
You all need to start thinking like cyberpunks.
Yes AI is going to take all of the jobs, including teaching.
You've gotta adapt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrXm4tjtGBA
If I'm wrong then we're all dead anyway terminator style. Dead or not we're heading to hiveminds and it's not gonna be fun.

>>53494133
Do you have any idea how old the median tradesman is today? A groundswell of zoomers would be a good thing on multiple levels.

>>53494327
McDonald's is hiring anyways.

>>53495672
True. Plumbing might be worth a short course on the basics but almost anyone could build a house these days with ok tools and a few practice projects

>>53504112
>but almost anyone could build a house these days with ok tools and a few practice projects
KEK'd. clueless.

>>53504122
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL2KoMNzGTo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV4RCAU7KL8

OH NO HOUSE BUILDING BROS! WE CHARGED TOO MUCH MONEY FOR HAMMERING NAILS!

>>53495394
>just manipulate aggressive retards all day while working hard for shit pay
Prison sounds better desu
>>53496841
Psychos
>>53502559
Fucking normie

>>53504122
You should see the quality of 'professionals' that walk into an average hardware store. 'Electricians' that don't know what a circuit breaker is called, 'plumbers' who don't know what connector they need, 'builders' who don't know the difference between concrete and lime mortar, it's fucking astounding

>>53504157
it's astonishing how helpless so much of humanity is.

>>53504143
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxO46yjE8dI

>>53504143
>Goes into bank to get a 3d printed home loan
>Walks out feeling like the retard he is
Cool youtube links retard.
>>53504157
I am familiar with all aspects of it. What you're describing is nothing new though. There are good contractors and there are bad ones.

>>53504226
these vids
>>53504207
are alpha, in a few years 3D printed houses will replace construction workers and general contractors in residential homes.

>>53504069
that clip is a rule of cool thing.
What i meant is not 1 ai teaching regular class but every person can be taught by an AI individually. This means everyone would get their own virtual teacher babysitting their progress. This means the elite autist can learn full speed while dumbo has his ai force feed learning material at snail speed. Classes don't exist because progress can be done individually. Only limit is your own learning speed.

>>53504273
Nah, you're wrong.

>>53504275
makes sense to me.
Education products are big market, Kevin O'Leary got started there.
First person to make an AI educational product that can be legally used to home school your child will be a billionaire.
I'd rather homeschool my kid with VR and quality AI teachers than send them to public school anyway.

>>53503940
I think there's more of us than people realize. Nobody plans where life is gonna take em, it's a wild ride.

Good luck anon.

>>53504318
If criminal affiliated unions can pressure politicians to regulate the shit out of AI and 3D printed housing, then normal people might have a job.
the BIg Tech Luciferian Mafia owns the white house though, so don't expect regulations around AI.
Construction might have a chance banning 3D printed homes though.

>>53504344
You're just spouting nonsense. Kek

>>53504390
Anon AI is the most dangerous thing human beings will ever create. It's already prepped and ready to decimate most of the jobs in the world economy, and can create fictional media that passes as real, as well as steal and mimic peoples faces and voices, making it the ultimate tool of crime.

And no one stops it. No one does anything about it at all. Absolutely nothing.
You know why?
Because it is the will of the fallen one who is not of this world.

>>53502754
>there are factories entirely run by robots in places like Switzerland where labor is expensive
Factory jobs are not skilled trades jobs.

>>53504567
assembly line isn't of course but welding robots replace human welders.

Remember when the US govt basically told 90% of its workers theyre not essential?

Im just waiting for the president of the world to come out and say "yeah well, you see we made sure to get like 10 billion of you because we needed people in the factories but now robots can do your job so were just gonna let most of you die and the rest of us can live peacefully in abundance, anyways you have 10 years to prove youre an essential worker to keep your job bye".

>>53494444 Checked

>>53494327
>trade job where you are capable of building your own house, tools, appliances
>actually youre the slave
?????

>>53504674
In the cyberpunk genre, most people are homeless public E-masturbators, criminals, or work for a mega para-military corporations controlled by AI and trans-humanist demi-gods.

>>53504708
But in real life power is defined by surveillance, and all of humanity will be enslaved in a BCI hivemind.

>>53504718
I think the cyberpunk loves to shoot for a evil AI endgame but in reality I think theyll go with the bug route, make people artificially happy with drugs and cheap entertainment so they dont even think to complain, its already kidna what pharma does with anti depressents that you only ever need in the first place because of the life you are put into and most people dont find a way out of. Most people dont have it in them to be criminals, only at most opportunistic looters, letting other people start the violence.

I hate that were basically cyberpunk but without the cool shit, like how does everyone afford mods and chrome when theyre poor as fuck?

>>53496267
What the fuck Chud-bros, I thought welding was at least $90k starting?

>>53501275
economics doesn't work
money is worthless, physical resources are everything, and those who control the capital(machines) will own everything

>>53504737
test, I think mods shadow banned me

>>53504807
>>53504737
I can't post what I want to post cause the system is saying it's spam.
mods are mad at a certain meme

>>53496267
Because the alternative is working in a car dealership or 7-11 and make 21k. I quit two weeks into my first and only office 9-5 because sitting down in front of a computer with either nothing or everything to do is more torturous than working in the sun
>>53504764
I heard it was 40k starting and I expected 50k, I didn't hear the 110k plumber meme until way later and I don't know where it come from.

>>53504826
schizo

>>53504845
>schizo
BAKA FAG-SAN
>>53504737
>I hate that were basically cyberpunk but without the cool shit, like how does everyone afford mods and chrome when theyre poor as fuck?
>cool shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guDIwspRGJ8

>>53504764
I've never heard it as starting, but as "up to $90K". Also this is the median, so it probably factors in Juan at the gas station who'll weld shit for $7 and hour at your own risk.

>>53494493

As the other person said, long haul trucking is easy to automate. It's just the last mile services that will remain, but it could be handled by drones or centralized better through distribution centers (think people picking up at Amazon Fresh or Whole Foods)

>>53496134

Imagine having to work with crusty boomers all day that do nothing but lecture you on how your generation is lazy and doesn't wanna work. Sounds like hell. Then you go all the way up through the union and its the same dudes, while they collect 300k/yr for doing nothing but using your membership fees to make political contributions to questionable candidates

>>53494399
These newfangled tractors will making picking crops by hand obsolete! We’re all going to starve!

>>53498575
>made a quick 3k today

Every faggot tradie says shit like this so I can tell you actually are one. YOU didn't make 3K. You BILLED OUT 3K to a client. You need to subtract materials, time, any other team members assisting, permitting, equipment/rentals, insurance, and so much other shit before you get to what YOU PERSONALLY get paid. God I fucking hate tradies. "Yeah I made 20K this month" meanwhile spent 15K

>>53505237
No shit you dumb jigaboo that's why he said he made 3k

>>53501353
Nah. I'm white as fuck and was in construction for a long time, there's definitely shitbirds of any color and since there's a lot of Mexicans in the trades there's statistically gonna be quite a few shitbirds amongst them, but the ones that give a fuck do great work and I won't tolerate someone shitting on them just because they're a different color. Pablo is my fren and I will laugh heartily as I watch him kick your ass figuratively by doing more than you better or literally if you get the stones to go all 1488 on a jobsite. Everyone I've known that bitched about Mexicans in construction was not worth the cost of punching right in the mouth for it.
>t. White dude that did it for decades and worked hard enough even the messicans were impressed

>>53496134
>welding
>pay out of pocket to learn
>graduate
>go to employer
>ok now how much do you think your worth an hour
why does nobody want to take up trades?

>>53504764
That's with overtime for sure. With how normalized it is to flip flop jobs and careers now that the boomers say it's okay (once their retirement plans got wrecked a couple of times), it's a great idea to do it while you're young to stack paper. You can always bounce to an office job where you can be little mister hustle and bustle in the big city with his latte later on.

>>53505265
People are still ego driven and they want perceived prestige and to look like little tic tock office ornaments playing fooseball and day drinking on the job. After getting churned and burned from a 24 hr on call help desk gig, they'll wisen up and realize work is for getting money, and that the rest is just gravy. You want "intellectual stimulation" and to "le change the world" and "make a difference", you would do that on your own time if you were really that ambitious.

>>53505237
>>53505250
Lmao, you're that mad? When all the fees are paid, I cleared $2650.

You got me, Sherlock.

>>53505259
That's great. Still don't want shitskins or fags like you on this side of the border.

>>53505464

I can tell you're too stupid to even account for the indirect costs like permitting, insurance, gas, the vehicle you used, etc. That's why you're a wagie. Even your fucking shovel, cell phone, and down to the tape measure or level or whatever the fuck you are using has a direct or amortized cost basis across all of the projects you use them for. I'm sure you think each time you just 'used 350 of materials and that's all it costs!' but you have no clue how to run a business which is why you're gonna be stuck with some shitty trade company for the rest of your life yelling at people with even lower IQs than you. That's cool though that's why people self-segregate out of trades

>>53495076
good article thx

>>53505553
>implying I give a fuck about what peckerwoods think
Smallest dick energy

>>53505695
Ok faggot

>>53505599
First off, checked.

Second, you don't know me. Work trucks are paid off, tools are paid off, warehouse is paid off. It was me, and solely me, handling those minute-ass pours because it's a quick buck. Now, if you want to account for paying myself, payroll tax, insurance, social security, etc... That's all figured into a bottom line that is billed out PER HOUR when I submit a spread. It's considerably higher than the wage that I pay to myself. We grossed over 200k last year, AFTER everyone (including the owner and myself, the co-owner) had their salaries paid.

Sit down, ho. I handle bidding on tiny jobs, and on $250,000 commercial pads. You wanna talk about seasonal overheads, sg/ft price... What am I missing that irks you so?

>>53499940
100k in trades requires either selling your mind, body, and soul to an anal retentive martinet pseudosmallhat, OR running your own business like an anal retentive martinet pseudosmallhat. There is no grind to aspire to because your body or spirit will break before your bank account breaks six figures. You can get really lucky with a boss that knows how to play the field, or you can be a worthless leech and game the system. The only appealing thing about learning a trade is that you can derive confidence from your skillset.

Tell me, why should I sell my life and permanently wreck my body to make 100k (70k after taxes), some sense of pride?

>>53494327
BBBBBASED DEPARTMENTTTTT
WFH $200k job or nothing for me

>>53506006
It's a good thing for anyone to do for a year or two to establish some basic competency with tools, be able to do their own home repairs, and not be a completely feminized whelp of a "man". I've got more respect for the lesbians I worked with than I do the average zoomer. Obviously, chase your paper and work smarter not harder, but spending some time working your ass off and gaining an understanding of how hard life is for most people is a good and noble thing. Also helps keep you from getting taken advantage of since you'll know what a dollar is actually worth.

Why does no one talk about instrumentation techs or automation techs lol

>>53494133
My job will never be replaced
Currently a board repair/any tech repair IT fag, I do other shit too but.
It's the chads choice of blue collar/white collar work.
It's good enough to be white collar being comfy at a desk when you have no work and blue collar enough to be hands on problem solver.
It won't be replaced soon, but it's definitely a secure job as tech will always break. Most normies don't realize it's actually insanely easy once you learn circuitry, but feel intimidated by the complexity of it.
Best part is most places hire based on merit, you might need a comp Tia a+ but most places will take you in and train you maybe or you start a lower position in repairs

>>53506120
>dude just huff solder fumes for $18/hr at a desk instead of welding huffing metal fumes in a dusty factory for $25/hr

>>53506109
Because neet shut ins don't even know those are career fields

>>53505259
>Mexicans
>knowing how to fight
I could run laps around your 300 pound ass.

>>53506173
You've clearly never fought a roughneck. Those mfs are what they call Country Strong, google it.

>be me
>30 y/o
>9 years in manufacturing across two employers, walked out and quit in the middle of last year because my shoulder, back and legs couldn't deal with the repetitive motions and concrete floors anymore
>dreading going back into manufacturing when my money gets low, find computer and office work boring as fuck, no skills to start a steady business with
>only thing i have going for me is my house and car are paid for, but i hate this area (SC) and want to move

The country is circling the drain and everyone can sense it. No one wants to work because you get taxed to fuck, get shit on for working, get shit on for not working, any money you have left is considered an inefficiency from the economy's perspective and prices will rise to snatch every last penny of savings you can squirrel away, all to keep this same malevolent system functioning so some oligarchs can keep fucking kids on a yacht somewhere. Are you kidding me? And by all accounts it's only going to get worse too.

>>53506173
Please, go pick a fight with Raul on the concrete crew. Let me know how it goes for you. Let me know how much shit you have in your pants when the 6'8 hard as nails foreman comes over to tear you in half for your trouble. They all got guns too if you wanna be a bitch.

Posts like this are why zoomzooms need to do a trade for a few years, learn some humility getting your ass kicked and grow up for it.

>>53506216
No, boomer, single MEN 18-40 dont want to work because getting a slim woman who isnt brainwashed by feminism/leftism is nearly impossible. No woman, no family, no point in working.

>>53506159
Are you retarded?
There's proper PPE for that if you're a pussy, not to mention we have filters in place for that aswell. It's honestly worse to smoke cigarettes and I have pretty healthy lungs anyways.
God you faggots always nitpick like women. The only thing you got right starting salaries are kinda low but not worse than beginning trade jobs though. The thing is you can exponentially move up to being a project manager making 6 figs or moving up another branch of IT if you get proper certs that the company's sometimes pay for.

>>53496321
A machinist

>>53505464
Congrats faggot I made that trading shitcoins naked in my tropical house

>>53494154
20 years ago they said we'd have no cashier or truck drivers by 2010

Look how that turned out

>>53506287
Post pics or fuck off

>>53506281
If someone has any trade knowledge at all and then gets some certs they can make a fucking killing doing IT work for construction companies or the oil industry or power generation or insert trade here. They specifically look for people with that kind of experience for their tech crews across the board. The only ones staying in the field until they're too old and broken to keep doing it are either the hardest motherlovers alive that just love their job, or they don't have a choice due to poor choices in life.

>>53506281
>there’s fume extractors!
>smoking is worse than lead free solder fumes anyway!

>>53499388
It's a meme. It doesn't remove the need for manual labor, and only adds complexity and cost. Maybe in 20 years they'll become common enough that a contractor can rent one at a big box store instead of hiring 2 additional Mexicans. Of course I'd hope we have more general purpose robots by then.

>>53506312
>The only ones staying in the field until they're too old and broken to keep doing it are either the hardest motherlovers alive that just love their job, or they don't have a choice due to poor choices in life.
Yea pretty much hit the crux. There's also men who know nothing else but that specific job and want to cling to the safety that it brings for their family. Used to work in manufacturing, talking to the guys there it was the case always.
I should probably look to move into working it for trade companies though, I was just gonna go the traditional route of getting certs and moving up to cloud or being a consultant

>>53506334
Idk man be a faggot, it's your choice.
Your argument is just really autistic and can be googled. Just saying

>itt slaves who dont have enough capital to live off day trading

LMAO how does it feel being someones EMPLOYEE BITCH half your LIFE?

>>53506347
Oil and gas pay the best but you'll work the hardest doing IT for them. I do it for some contractors and still clear six figures, ez life.

>>53506355
>he thinks I don't have ATP open on a separate monitor watching my trades while I work
And for the guys just being complete boomers and dca'ing indexes with a percentage of their take home, they're winning harder than you on a YoY basis and never ever have to look at a ticker. I personally taught many people how to do exactly that when I was in the trades, helped one guy get citizenship which means he can now pay taxes and be a productive member of society. I paid for English classes, you will never be able to buy class or respect, we are not the same.

>>53494133
On the contrary my friend, i think i the future there is going to be a significant decrease of tradespeople that have the same mentality that you have, and will be replaced by the Ai's themselves, only to find the AI suck since they trained it with their data. Much to people's chagrin, we are all just being used to train the next gen of artificial intelligences, for free. Something that should cost money is actually free now because a lot of "free services" can just give people half assed experiences of the future and ask for feedback and voila, you have a training machine constantly running and pumping your bot of juicy, rich, info constantly.
That's why i think a lot of the real traders should worry more about training their minds to become irreplaceable in the future. Everyone going for bluechips? Go for memefi, tackle vinu, tackle doge and shib, a lof of people made money with it so why can't you?
Everyone going for machine learning? Tackle other use cases, be THE master. Overcome the AI

I've been in trades all my life. Learned the ins and outs of a mechanical press and now own my own business. No gpt or robots will ever be able to do my job. Setting up a press within half a thousandths with a dial indicator is something a robot will ever be able to do.

>>53494458

This, all generative AI is the equivalent of when you BSed your college essays where you just created a soup of words and phrases that sounded mostly right and show you at least skimmed the material so you’d skate by with a B.

That’s all it can do, it can create something that is believable to a retard but is incapable of creating anything truly novel or following precise instructions. If you use this tech to program something complex, it’s just going to spit out a bunch of meaningless spaghetti code. The issue is the difference between natural languages vs formal languages, computer code is a formal language where everything is extremely precise and a single fuckup can make your entire program invalid. You can’t fake it which is what ChatGPT does, it’s essentially a very convincing con man

>>53506435

Another issue with AI is the way it works has absolutely nothing to do with how the human brain works (which nobody fully understands). It’s only as good as its training data, you have to give it millions of examples of something and have it “learn” but this has zero to do with how humans learn. The model you build off this training data is at the end of the day just a high order math function which is inherently rigid and inflexible. The model can be easily fooled by playing with the inputs (just numbers) in such a way that the classifier algorithm spits out a value that results in a false positive/negative. Example: putting a piece of tape over a stop sign was enough to fool Tesla’s self driving software (which has been trained on millions of stop signs) to not recognize it as a stop sign

>>53505720
Bro, you’re proving his point. Stop being dumb.

>>53506259
You’re stupid, too. He’s basically saying the same thing. What do you think the country is circling the drain means? That social and familial cohesion are stronger than ever?

>>53494133
I got in trades way before they were cool. I'm a diesel technician now making a little over 31 dollars an hour with all the overtime I want. Made well over six figures last year. Buying a house next month. I've already secured my spot. Good luck getting unemployment from getting laid off from your tech jobs, losers.

>>53497540
I worked about a decade in IT before going to the trades and the trades are a lot harder. Google doesn't have all the answers

>>53499299
You generally do single digit IQ work until you get good enough to graduate to double digit IQ work. Sorry you failed anon

>>53506607
I got a arts degree, made 200k as a lumber wholesaler before using my economics knowledge to retire early as a millionaire. Good luck not being in chronic pain in your 40’s losers.
Seriously, uni is just partying and making connections, 10/10 highly recommend.

>>53506607
This is the truth. Have a hard skill that's still valuable and useful in case the lights go out, and THEN you can build from there for a different position if you want to.

>>53506646
>disdain for plebs
>relies on them to live
You are everything wrong with society.

>>53500078
Imagine being scared of a drywall druggie kek

>>53502754
You do lower quality, faster work for less pay. Duh.

>>53506670
Nigger, I paid 200k in taxes this year. I’m the reason we have a society.

>>53506234
Tradie tough guys are such faggots, I'd love to see you go up against someone who trains striking and grappling every week

>>53506214
Later, bitch. Get outta my state

>>53506688
>Taxes
>Funding society
Now this is goy posting!

>>53506738
Yes, nigger.

>>53494327
I really enjoy carpentry. Making things is great and I am learning skills to do up my own house one day

>>53506749
>t. ricky retardo

>>53506770
I have a degree and a million dollars, you are a neet seething in impotent rage. Not sure which one of us is retarded… kek!

>>53506783
And you're the one arguing with me. Checkmate, nigger.

>>53494399
what a larp, AI doesn't do shit

>>53502666
Kys faggot holy shit i am 36 and you.are.so fucking cringe

>>53506399
blah blah shutup faggot and go follow orders at work

>>53503727
>Dude, did you hear about this new phone app that can tell if youve got cancer???
Doctors will be the first to go. Why would anyone go to a clinic when a machine could do it faster and cheaper while sitting on the can.

>>53496134
$25 an hour is starting wage for unskilled positions, you should be paying 30 minimum for a welder.

>All the disgusting tradies ITT
I'm gonna vomit unironically. Imagine being gutter-trash but still coping yourself into having a high opinion about your worth.

>>53494133
AI is killing off every industry, one by one. If you think you are safe now, it's because the current AI is being developed to destroy another sector. Noone is safe. In less than 10 years we will all be living in poverty, asking the government for stimulus to survive.

>>53506646
Any advice patrician anon? Also an arts major but want to go into business.

If I don't work with my hands my life turns grey.

t. metal roofing/cladding

>>53507401
Join a frat, after graduating don’t get tempted by the big corporate pyramid scheme. Join a small company, and try to get as much of your salary on commission as you can. Stay the fuck away from adderall, Coke, and whores. I’ve seen marijuana temper future leaders, but it won’t ruin your life like those 3.

>>53507543
Oh, and certain places really is living life on easy mode. Try to move to a burgeoning frontier city with a labour shortage. DC, Nebraska, Utah will value you much more than Hawaii, California, New York.

>>53494327
every negative reply to this post is from a slave tradie. it doesn't matter how you fags feel. those jobs are slave tier jobs.

when I work at a desk and im more jacked than all of you fags you have no comeback. you cant pretend to be fit and healthy because you do a physical job. you're a slave and your body is close to spent. you also dont eat healthy you losers.

>>53506633
If google had basically any answers for your IT job then you were just a computer janitor.

>>53494984
>females despise hulky, sweaty workmen who like doing things with their hands
t. dyel onions-drinking office nu-male with a pink tie and female boss

https://youtu.be/lmVexzzVfDA

>>53495268
Evolutionary biology. Would you want to hunt/fight next to some can't even handle the bants faggot? Males test each other for weakness just like women screen mates with shittests. Would you rather have bants or passive-aggressive office politics?

>>53504146
>Prison sounds better

>Never went to prison.

>>53499436

Lmao nice brownoid concrete boy moment

23 here, started working as a carpenter when i was 19 now i make 80k to assistant manage 4 higher end homes and lurk here all day.

>>53494327
Have fun starving to death once the Zogs cancelled your NEETbux

>be brainlet
>all my skillsets are specced in the middle manager parasite tech tree
>my only other skill is in art
>CEO is giving off hints of impending layoffs
Its over for me bros

>>53500377
>i'm just like billionaire real estate mogul!!!!

Are you really though?

>>53502617

Can you elaborate? I’m a union sparky and I have seen lots of fucking stupid people (including some literal GC retards) but I want to know more about what GC’s see

In canada trade school is just as expensive as uni. And almost all trade jobs require a piece of paper to do. It's pretty fucking Jewish.

>>53494327
>"Hey, can you fix my plumbing? I really need it fixed, my house has become unlivable."
>"Sure! That will be [insert price]"

Sounds really like a slavejob to me

>>53508941
my employer pays for my trade school costs. But i will have to work at the job for 3 years, or i will have to pay the rest back :(
either way, if i decide to quit. I will have to pay less back than paying for it entirely

>>53494133
Now listen, Jack. If the economy is booming then there will actually be massive Capex investments in automation. If we just crab walk like we've been doing then boomers like us can retire and die in peace while you zoomies do the whose-it-whats-it with the computer internet machines.

>>53506303
Lol I was a customer service salaried manager at Walmart and I had no cashiers because we couldn’t hire them even at $17.50

>>53505464
>>53505720

Ah don’t worry about him he’s coping that construction, especially owners of shops, makes a fuck ton of money

>>53497504
Men stopped teaching and valuing these skills. Looking down upon the Mexican laborers who would do it cheaper. and then they wonder why their sons don’t care about it

>>53496321
The only answer is to start your own business and set your own hours and dictate exactly what projects you want and which ones you don't. Set your own rate and get paid what the market will provide for the craft that you've perfected. Your back starts hurting? Take a week or two off work. Or hire a low paid helper to lift the heavy stuff for you and build that cost into your bids.

>>53496321

>>53496321

I'd love to get into woodworking myself. Sounds like you're reasonably intelligent as well. Why not start a company, get a loan, and invest in a CNC machine?

QUALITY woodwork will always be valuable to people. Even if you just made coffee tables with some beautiful ornate designs, it'd be a good starting point for you, and could lead to more niche/valuable projects.

I'd love to move on from tech, but I've got a good 10-15 years in here before I can secure enough money for a house/retirement and can focus on other paths. Good luck m80

>>53500098
you're thinking of bookkeepers instead of accountants