/biz/ - Business & Finance

It's over. Stocks will never go up again.

I am bankrupt because of today.

>>53334862
>P/E of 44

God help us

>>53334862
No linkers will never make it

new with links
>>53334891
>>53334891
>>53334891

>>53334901
Should've linked first bitch

Anyone have an optimistic outlook for when SOXL might get back to 30-40?

>>53334901
Thread splitting is against the rules faggot

>>53334862
For me it's SBUX.

>>53334915
>>53334914
recycle me

>>53334901
Nice fedposting image lmao.

>>53334889
Interest rate go up and amount of money goes down. Simple as that, fucko.

This cute lesbian princess is telling you to invest in Tech, the sector that will revolutionize our lives.

>>53334945
That's the rate that the amount of money is increasing, fagbait

>>53334945
I was kidding about bankruptcy, though it was a -$1,100 day which was displeasing. I made some nice soup though.

hey mumu why didn't we close over my meme line from yesterday?

>>53334954
Based soup enjoyer
I started making homemade soup recently, shit's pretty cash

I just want some semblance of certainy that a bottom is forming and we can resume the next bull run already. Can we just break past the 200 MA and stay there?

>>53334969
Broccoli cheddar ham, I had to make sure it wasn't kosher.

>>53334959
>hey mumu we're at 3500 look at my line
>hey mumu we're still at 3600 look at my line
>hey mumu we're still at 3700 look at my line
>hey mumu we're still at 3800 look at my line
>hey mumu we're still at 3900 look at my line
>>hey mumu we're still at 4000 look at my line
you are here^^^^^

That was too much excitement. I dont know when Ill trade next but I really need to focus on other things. I just stared at the chart all morning.

>inflation has fully proven itself to be cooling even faster than we thought
>FED up against the wall and will have to pause/cut sooner than later
>economy and earnings still held up strong even with all the bearishness
>we survived the worst pandemic in history and are finally reopening
>OHHHH SORRY WE HIT THE IMAGINARY BEAR LINE TIME TO SELL TRILLIONS IN STOCKS AT THE SAME TIME
And that folks, is how you know this shit is a scam.

>>53334862
The Gamest*p general is practically unreadable these days. It generally looks like they've lost their minds over there. It's all schizos talking about avatarfags, inside jokes, ironic shitposts, and crackhead theories, alongside people "feigning" retardation

>>53335026
>economy and earnings still held up strong even with all the bearishness
this part isnt true though

>>53335028

Imagine being -%70 down on your bags and being dependent on copium cooked up by Reddit for two years, you'd lose your mind too.

After this amount of time only the most desperate and schizophrenic are left.

>>53334998
and just like that, seemingly for no reason at all, 4000 was never seen again

>>53335028
they are telling each other to stay comfy so I assume they are okay

>>53335026
>>economy and earnings still held up strong even with all the bearishness

thats called demand being pulled forward + inflation contributing to earnings. inflation down = earnings down

>>53335074
Less inflation means the dollar is stronger, so the dollars they earn are now worth more, thus increasing effective company earnings.

All we are is dust in the wind........

>>53334959
That unironically looks bullish as fuck

>>53335085
thanks mom

>>53335094
Based and classical economics pilled

>>53335094
Inflation is inflation nigga

>>53335026
Isn't it amazing? Like right on the dot, with the only news even halfway relevant to the economy being that Powell has a cold, literally everything takes a shit. And then of course after everything takes a shit we're back near "buy" levels on MACD and RSI so the whole clown show resets.

>>53335074
This is some goal shifting bobo cope if I've ever seen it lmao

>>53335117
We are stardust. We are golden. We are billion year old carbon.

How much money would you pay for a giant pile of trash?

>>53335120
For over a year now stocks have yet to move past the 200 day and stay up there.

>>53335120
Tightening memelines isn't good. Heading for a breakway. Up or down?

>>53335157

>>53335155
We're DEFLATING, "nigga"

>futes

>>53335165
Yeah and now we're in a 3 month uptrend with tons of large cap shit banging up against the 200 dma with cooler inflation readings and a Fed outright saying that the size and pace of hikes can decrease

>>53335120
here's an update, 1h 50sma broke but the 200 held it. extremely near term bullish momentum isn't dead. but the macro remains bearish. i'm looking for 385 by next friday.

and just like that
bad news became bad news
jan 18, 2023

>>53335186
The market really believes we're getting a 25bp hike up next. That's the level of delusion we're dealing with.

>>53335065
We havent even experienced true euphoria yet.
6800 and then the botton falls out all within this year.

>>53335186
>line will go up because its been going up for 3 months

>>53335026
>OHHHH SORRY WE HIT THE IMAGINARY BEAR LINE TIME TO SELL TRILLIONS IN STOCKS AT THE SAME TIME
>he doesn't know

it's literally too easy for them

>>53335165
yeah because stocks were going down for 200 days. now when stocks go up for 200 days you will reverse your stance, fucking TA tards i swear

>>53335207
>6800 and then the botton falls out
I'd cum so fucking hard.

>>53334828
Crude builds are probably temporary, but you can't expect the oil price to rise until they stop.
I don't see oil futures looking bullish until summer.

>>53335117
>>53335161
Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.

>>53335234
Fuck outtahere, Star Wars nerd.

Glad I locked in those 4.85% CD rates when I did

>>53335203
why the fuck wouldn't we, inflation is cooling faster than they thought. they have the thread the needle and 25bp make most sense.

>>53335207
>>53335219
big ask, i'd cum too
>1month chart
>>53335211
you don't have to trade with technicals obviously, but humans are good at pattern recognition, and humans made the nyse, and computers, so may as well glance at them.

>ai is the next big tech boom
>dont even understand how fuckin' magnets work

>>53335260
tldr electrons n sheeiit

>>53335203
>>53335252
Moreover, the F.E.D. doesn't surprise. As cheap as their talk is about "we're barely restrictive" and "50bps higher might make sense", when it's time to act they always do what bond >futures are pricing in.

The mere threat of Saudis trading in yuan will get major concessions out of uncle sam. India is already laundering Russian oil to the Eurozone.
Commodities will continue to rise against USD. The petrodollar is faltering. Dump as much money as you can in emerging markets/commodities

>>53334510
Who wants to explain reits to this anon?

>>53335094
>Less inflation means the dollar is stronger, so the dollars they earn are now worth more, thus increasing effective company earnings.
partially correct, however they will be earning far less of those stronger dollars. strong dollar fucks international sales as well because those american goods will be expensive now compared to the competition

>>53335157
inflation is bullish for earnings because the costs get passed through to the consumer. peak inflation = peak earnings; it's all downhill from here

>>53335287
buy $o october 2022

>>53335203
The market believes (and is pricing in) a fucking pivot. And the pivot won't happen this year. So the market is going to screech like a tranny when it's wrong and this will eventually be a catalyst for an all out depression.

>>53335242
Quiet you effeminate zoomer bitch, go cry about climate change you fucking homosexual

>>53335184
I wish. I was always thinking how horrible 2% a year really was in the long run and now people are bullish about 6.5% and want the government to keep spending to avoid a default. If this does escalate to a new great depression most people probably deserve it at this point.

>>53335287
What REITs are trading at a good discount right now?
I've been waiting for the crash.

>>53335026
>>inflation has fully proven itself to be cooling even faster than we thought
Core inflation went up again retard

>>53335309
Zoomers love Star Wars, ya retard. Let the anger flow through you.

>>53335290
> strong dollar fucks international sales as well because those american goods will be expensive now compared to the competition
plenty of retarded boomers to wring $$$ out with reverse mortgages. This is the same game we've seen since Reagan, sacrifice future growth and income to keep the status quo going for a few more years

>>53335280
The petrodollar is a myth anon

>>53335318
You already missed it. PLD is up 10% this month

>>53335318
>O
divvie comfy line go down all the time buy then

>>53335309
smart money is buying

>>53335343
I know. That's why I'm asking.

Guys the 3 month and 2 second treasuries just inverted. We're in for pain

>>53335337
oh thank god we can tell all of the states that didn't want to trade oil in USD that it's just a myth

someone tell iran, russia, venezuela libya and iraq that it will be ok the petrodollar is just a myth

>>53335309
A year ago, neither the market nor the Fed were pricing us in at 4% EOY. So 6 months from now, what'll the Fed do with 5% unemployment, 5% rates, and 0.1% MoM Core PCE prints?

>>53335346
Based GF.

>>53335271
I don't know fellow grug. Can't trust these shady suits people and their magic always saying we should give our paper with people on them to them to get more paper with people on them.

>>53335356
i just keep buying tmf thanks

>>53335363
I don't even use paper. I use signals of on and off notated with fuckin magnets.

>>53335356
Its gets more inverted each time I look

>>53335374
That's a man

>>53335356
when everyone is bearish (which 90% are) its the time to go long.
simple as.
all your fears are unfounded and you regurgitate the same bullshit propaganda you complain about

>>53335280
Midwit take. I hate amerimutts but the dollar ain't going anywhere and also the petrodollar has been debunked. The dollar is gonna rip this year, not that I want it to. It'll rip so fucking hard that it will break the global economy and end up needing to be hyperinflated and that will be it's end. But not before. This is all because of the 5+% FFR

>>53335329
Okay then go prep your wife's bull, millennial cuck and then kys

>>53335253
yeah i use technicals to gauge momentum when i have a stock i want to buy, no need to jump on a falling knife even if it hits my target, wait till it bounces/stabilizes before buying.

Fake out? Is Asia going to save the day?

>>53335252
>>53335277
>>53335309
Market straight dumped last time we got 50bps and that was the expectation. There's no reason for the fed to slow down and they haven't indicated a rate hike slowdown. The market is rallying too quickly and the fed WILL stick to 50bps and tamp down this rally. Just watch. It's crazy how easy it is to make money in this market.

>>53335385
bearish? last few weeks have been bull euphoria. then we have the suckers who will follow The January Effect, and go long on Feb once they see that January was overall an up month. it'll be a bloodbath this year

>>53335359
Just said here
>>53335386
They'll hyperinflate the shit out of it

>>53335210
Isn't that just too easy for retail, though? Any dingus could just read TA 101 and do the same thing

>>53335203
Representatives from the Fed have literally said they think a 25 bps hike next time is appropriate. I know they flip flop all the time so I guess we'll see

>>53335386
>Immediately thinks of cuckoldry

>>53335357
The dollar is backed up by most of the world's economy, the expansion of economic globalization was more or less done off the back of the dollar and the military. Oil can be traded in fucking Pesos and it would barely matter.
Petroldollar exists insofar as most goods in general are traded in dollars, including oil. You would have to restructure most trade to get rid of the dollar.

>>53334862
Bump

>>53335427
Agreed bobro

>>53335386
DEBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONKED
>anyways oil decoupling from dollar will, in the same year for completely unrelated reasons, coincide with the dollar inflating into nothing

>>53335431
Well the last time the dollar was "ripping so fucking hard that it'll break the global economy", the gilt-stricken chaps in England and samurai at the BoJ put a stop to it. What reason is there to think the 2023 Fed will be more hawkish/hungry for doomsday than the 2022 one?

>>53335427
if it seems too easy, it is. you're in a world of hurt.

Kek

Baggies

Kek

>>53335430
last year land lord tennant cases were overall so high that judges had to do 9 to 23 sessions. peaks in January and September last year, some districts had literally 10ks a day. this january, a couple dozen.
>verification not required

>>53335455
>You would have to restructure most trade to get rid of the dollar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS

>>53335427
Bond futures were expecting a 50 bepis the day/week/month of and got it. Same deal with 25 at this next meeting.

Equity land can do whatever for any number of reasons.

>>53335309
>The market believes (and is pricing in) a fucking pivot.
they've been trying to do this for like 8 months now and they get heemed every time

shorting SPY every time it hits the 200 day sma is the easiest money you can make right now

>>53335485
bond etfs are up for the day

>>53335472
That's what I keep thinking so I never pull the trigger on these obvious trades. I mostly scalp intraday on futures so I'm flat 99.999% of the time.

>>53335487
Kek, I've been shorting qqq/techshit but it's the same thing for intensive purposes

>>53335482
nobody wants to pay that out

>>53335443
the almost defining characteristic of retail is not that they don't have money, or that they don't have experience. it's that they are not disciplined. professionals are disciplined. when things start going one way or another or sentiment or hype changes, retail follows suit. they are braindead. wishy washy. pigs.

you can show retail the easiest and most consistent TA and they won't follow it the second it doesn't seem like they're winning. it's their nature. so no, it's not "too easy" it's skill issue, which is why retail never makes it until they start thinking like an institutional trader (which is free), and start trading with discipline

>>53335157
Only remote other thing I can think of is ca being deluged… doubt it would affect the economy like this though

>>53335455
>most of the world's economy
The US (25t) is only a quarter of the global economy (100t). Everyone else can swap currencies willy nilly.

>>53335346
Fuck I hate funkofags so much.

Just stop fucking selling. No reason to.

>>53335531
Sure but a lot of CBs have to hold USD in order to do trade. The aim of BRICS is to de-dollarize their economies, which is why the saber rattling against Russia, China et al is stepping up in the US

>>53335537
I live off of my investments, I have no choice but to sell once a month to pay my bills.

>>53335499
Long term treasuries, corpos, and junk bonds are not bond >futures and not the bond >futures that price it in. Specifically, they are not the short term funding futures that people use to speculate on the Fed's immediate next move.

>>53335556
ticker: EMB
no need

>>53335510
It’s called Barqs

theta day tomorrow
or
fake debt ceiling and jobless claims move the market?

>>53335483
>Le China and Russia will end US's power
Quit browsing vatnigger shit, anon

>>53335537
I just keep buying. I have a decent pile of cash sitting in my savings. I don’t care anymore. I like the companies I hold and plan on continuing to accumulate them for at least the next 5 years. I was cashgang for months. I’m bored with it. Line going down today actually provided a little stimulation for me finally.

>>53335570
The only correct post in this thread

>>53335570
doubt it, says bang's right on the can

>>53335531
>only a quarter of the global economy
>only

>>53335573
you're forgetting all the other countries trying to join BRICS
IMF/world bank is donezo

>>53335472
Did you not just say this >>53335385
fucking 5 mins prior?
lmao, simple as....

>>53335610
uhhh you dumb?

>>53335606
guess you forgot the story of Titanic

Just remembered when I was talking to a guy in february of 2020 about the pandemic and how stocks had already dropped 10%. He told me verbatim "sounds like a good time to buy". The stock market was still in the 3000s.

>>53335537
Sorry. I hat to sacrifice my dumbest hold today.

>>53335606
It's not, absolute worst case scenario you get the third world trading with both 'sides' not all joining BRICS

>>53335630
luckily for them the fastest interest hike cycle in history wouldn't start for a few years

>>53335569
What makes you think it will reach those aths again?

>>53335618
sure

>>53335636
Mmm... those look like some good burgers

>>53335550
>have to hold USD
Exactly, out of necessity. Because they trust each other less than they hate muttrica.
This is often talked about by Brent Johnson. "Cleanest dirty shirt". Even he knows the dollar is shit and going to hyperinflate when the global economy starts breaking and there's nothing that can stop the downfall now.

>>53335606
I hate america as much as any sane man but brics is a shit idea that won't work unless they get more radical. They should just declare a gold standard. The problem these fucking idiot 2nd tier countries have between *each other* is low trust and this will always be the case, the simplest way to solve that is to stop fucking around and just declare they will conduct all trade using gold (or silver).

>>53335602
Jolly old Bri'ain and the Commonwealth had a similar share of the world's GDP when the pound keeled over and died.

>>53335596
these guys just 10x their portfolio in twenty seconds. you wish you could be them.

>>53335596
>around 200 looters
>total value of items stolen barely 100K
they're not even good thieves holy shit

>>53335596
>WHY IS DEY FOOD DESITS

>>53335675
gibs

>>53335672
hyperinflation will cause markets to go up

Oh fuck off with the polbait
Go be a polcuck somewhere else you fucking wignat simp

>>53335673
Britain decolonized more or less on purpose after WWII barring some shitty islands near Argentina
The US could easily fall as hard and as fast as they did though, I can't deny that. I doubt it would come from the dollar failing though.

>>53335706
Yes just like in the Weimar republic!

>>53335693
just a trustworthy southern man exercising his right to drive heavy machinery

>>53334877
Checked, true

I got fucked today, biz... and not in a good way...

>>53335693
OSHA is gonna be pissed.

>>53335720
where's your patriotism?

>>53335744
this is a healthy pullback, well be back 400 in no time.

>>53335672
>The problem these fucking idiot 2nd tier countries have between *each other* is low trust and this will always be the case
Not to mention China and Russia aren't even technically allies like NATO has allies. It's a common "enemy" type of thing, and China isn't even technically an enemy of ours either. If Russia goes too far with Ukraine like using nukes (doubt it but it's an example), China would immediately abandon them.

>>53335744
you'll be fine duck bro, let me show you the recent arrivals

>>53335720
Sure, but dedollarization doesn't require a civil war or formal default or anything we might call "drastic". Even if you have a quarter of global GDP, that's no guarantee.

Suppose that drops to a fifth, one of your military deployments goes south or gets canceled (think Suez Crisis), maybe a competing bloc pulls off a halfway successful move that causes slight shifts in central bank reserve allocations that sparks weakness that sparks panic selling that feeds on itself, you could see the dollar keel over rapidly.

You know it seems quaint; back in 1995 the U.S debt was sub 5 trillion. Today in 2023 the U.S debt is over 31 trillion. Big difference.

>>53335791
Yeah but back then our economy was a paltry $7.5 trillion. Now it's a mighty $25 trillion.

>>53335816
Plot twist: today dollars are worth 1/3 they were in 95.

>>53335693
I could fucking destroy an antifa mob with a skidsteer and some clamps.

wow, there are still delusional bulls, which means not enough pain yet

bull bros please tell me we pump tomorrow

>>53335773
>technically allies like NATO has allies.
Meh, the notion of ally is never not a grey area anyway. That's basic realpolitik. Only fucktarded Twitter niggers with their asinine Ukraine flag profiles think nato is really like the avengers and will always show up to beat the bad guys.

>>53334862
Ok guys, what did you all do just now? It was a bloodbath today!

>>53335840
How does reclaiming 1/4 today's dump sound?

>>53335786
I guess so but Ukraine isn't going to be it, the entire thing is going to be abandoned either when (((they))) bleed Russia dry or they feel Ukraine wore out it's welcome like Afghanistan. Only way I see any of what you said happening would be in another time.

>>53335374
You just gotta love IRL gainaxing kek

>>53335840
>>53335853
theta gang will win, pretty sure i'm not the only one waiting for nflx earnings

>>53334877
>multi-century bubble
You're right about that

>>53335854
I sold COIN because I was in the green. I didn't know it would Jenga the entire market

>>53335913
hurry up and call it a bull flag

>>53335913
>Giga shooting star
Bros...

>>53335777
Trips of truth. Dark.

>>53335897
I threw up in my mouth

Everything is so bearish that its obvious to the average investor. Everyone will be short and theres no way to improve the economic conditions right now. So when are they going to be banning shorting because they cant have everyone make money, it would break the stock market.

>>53335926
i'm bearish but nigger it's the second week of that candle

>>53335913
>not using log
>using the dow as the example
disgusting, downright horrid post

Bulls out here this morning arguing that declining retail sales, earnings misses and forward guidances being revised down with more rate hikes coming is bullish for equities

>>53335874
The propaganda's heavy on both sides but my read is that Ukraine will crack first on account of them literally just running out of troops. In any case, the war there could easily play a role.

Suppose we hit a recession, revenues are hit, yields are out of control with sticky inflation, but we have to have to have to slava Ukraini. Suddenly the 2024 naval and air force budgets are cut to the bone. Then Xi's got a green light for some "temporary quarantine" of shipping traffic around Taiwan in 2025.

We literally no longer have the naval projection to overpower him, there goes confidence in US dominance of the sea lanes, and a whole lot of dollars get swapped by [country X] for a whole lot of [insert currency of country X's top trading partner].

>>53335913
DOW has an unfilled gap at $15

>>53335948
I was kidding...

>>53335947
lmao no one is bearish
people are lining up and buying the top just yesterday, people who have been holding cash for ages just bought in
everyone is bullish, only a select group of bobos on /smg/ are bearish
/smg/ sentiment was also overwhelmingly bullish until today, where it has been open season mocking bears

>>53335482
>giga calls at 400
>but also giga puts for 400
its unlikely to go lower tomorrow but its not gonna hit over 400. if the market is following the technical lines then more dumping would be monday.

>>53335975
didn't even have to short euphoria this time, just hope
>>53335994
listen jack irony is lost on me

>>53335978
No we'll win, both Russia and China will decline due to their economic inefficiencies. But our grandchildren will either split their dicks or graft thin skin to make sausage roll.
There's no escape.

>>53336015
It's hard to tell what's serious these days.

>>53335947
>everyone is bullish
>that's why equities have rallied trillions in 2 months

>>53336001
ive been on stocktwits. lots of people are bearish there too. still there are bulls yes, but people are a lot more bearish on stocktwits

>>53336024
i agree, every once in a while you can tell

What's your opinion on Paul Krugman?

>>53335994
I just want to bang her missionary style and look into her eyes until I explode inside her, does her prison accept conjugal visits?

>>53336061
She's mine, asshole.

>>53335989
fucking kek

>>53336027
thats not what im saying retard. im saying the ecnomy is bad and everyone can tell. its not like other years where the economy was healthy and hte market had normal fluctuations. Shit is bad and more people can see it.
What that means is you dont have a counter balance of bulls and everyone is on the short side so when the market cant fake that the economy is good, theres going to be tons of people making money causing market makers to pay out more than usual and fuck up the whole market. they banned shorting in 2008 for this exact reason.

>>53336059
I like him

>>53336078
to be fair on a long enough timeline it won't

>>53336077
retail have almost no sway for the overall market and if you've noticed there has been massive volatility it's not like they're propping it up

>>53335978
I guess Taiwan could lead to US hegemony ending but the difference is Taiwanese would rather be under Chinese rule than risk WW3, even if they hate chinks
Not like we would give them a choice though
>>53336059
He's a fucking moron

>>53336099
you fuckinn retard im not saying because people are bearish they are moving the markets. fucking comprehend you stupid gorilla.

>>53336112
You'll have to explain your incorrect reasoning more then, because bad economy=/= bad for stocks necessarily. The little guy always gets shit on with job cuts and the world keeps chugging along.

>>53335947
thats precisely why we won't go down. chop or up, thats it.

>>53336111
taiwan destroys all tsm and semi manufacturing centers when ccp arrives on land. gives up. china has a cool island now, not much else.

>>53336111
I guess what I'd caution is the French didn't choose to lose Waterloo. The British didn't choose to give up the Suez. Similarly, President Newsom or Harris won't choose to lose Taiwan.

>>53335878
>THE JIGGLE IS UNREALISTIC

>>53336131
bootyjedge will be pres before kamulah or nowsom

>>53336131
>President Harris
truly a terrifying thought and I'm not even from the US

>>53336129
>taiwan destroys all tsm and semi manufacturing centers
not before giving the US all its IP

>>53334862
>tfw can't buy monster Rossi - The Doctor in the stores
yeah, I'm shorting this crap. Not buying until it's back in stores

>>53336129
The island is what they want.

>>53336129
>>53336131
Stop trying to make Taiwan invasion and WWIII happen. WWIII isn't going to happen.

>>53336131
>won't choose to lose Taiwan.
I think you forget our official policy is still that it's Chinese

>>53336145
Maybe a VP spot, but you really think he can escape all those transportation related fuckups?

>>53336148
The first woman or latinx president will be a wakeup call to any foreigners holding dollars or bonds. Not saying they'll panic sell that second, but visuals have a certain power psychologically.

>Microsoft, $MSFT, has cut numerous employees of their 343 team, which works on Halo.
they're coming after /v/irgins now, it's over

>>53336154
with the chips bill, intc has all the cash and facility needed
>>53336162
not without the semi plants, ccp mainland cannot manufacture them, nobody gives a shit about the island unless you can sell them weapons. just like no one give a shit about ukraine except selling them weapons. it's all about the factories

>>53336183
They wanted Taiwan before TSMC even existed. It's core to their ideology.

>>53336129
>taiwan destroys all tsm and semi manufacturing centers when ccp arrives on land
Why? Taiwan would legitimately rather cuck to the CCP than lose a huge paypig like that

What is there to be bullish about right now, aside from the potential that we print more money and import more inflation later on in the future?
Do any of you believe that the world is getting better right now?

>>53336118
When its so obvious that the building is on fire, huge cascading flames and plumes of smoke, everyone knows there is a fire. You cant hide it, unlike if maybe there was smoke coming out of the window, where someone might say "oh maybe some cookies are burning". this is like how the media can tell baggies that "oh its still bullish, we can recover, no recession" nad people are offsetting the people that are bearish. then the Market makers have a neutral position of loaning shares for shorting and whatever. but if everything is so bad, that most of the average investors know it, they will exit or go short. Im saying the market is going to dump independent of whatever retail is doing, but this time, retail knows it so now there are going to be a lot of people making money because economy cant be propped up anymore.
in 2008 the collapse was the most obvious trade in the world and anyone could go short so everyone was makign money but they banned it because it fucks up the market makers needed dynamic of people being both long and short.
so what i was kind of joking about was that Im seeing a lot more people being bearish AND the conditions of the economy are getting worse, so when are they going to ban short selling again.

>>53336177
i really do that's the wild part refusal by msm to follow that thread means denial will be easier. he also polled higher than kumllah in the primaries.
>>53336193
historical ideology is worthless
>omg my grandfather was so mad the socialists moved to a cool island

>>53336200
everyone and their mom is predicting a recession, and a heckin crasherino, even the slightest bit of good news to the contrary would result in a massive retard rally

>>53336164
>>53336171
Sure and Nasser will get the canal back in 1956 per the treaty. He's a right patient chap, yes?

>>53335816
Not to mention how the metric used is always the stupid ass debt / yearly GDP. Yeah, sure, let's just take the salary for one year into account. Let's not take everything else into account, such as everything that has been build over centuries. And even there, that's just a fraction of the riches a country has.
Debt will go to 500% and more, and even there it's a non issue. Nobody bats an eye when anyone becomes a debt slave at 500% to buy a pile of cinder blocks, heck, doing so is even considered being successful, somehow. Not to mention how the bank takes the assets into account, not just the yearly salary.

>>53336200
>Do any of you believe that the world is getting better right now?
I don't think any one truly thinks that, but my base case is it's way worse than most people know.

>>53336049
that would have been an amazing trade, actually. SOXL hit 70 dollars a few months later.

Jesus, retail sales were actually WORSE in December 2022.

I can't imagine how much more the markets will shit when they report January and February this year. Total fucking bloodbath when consoooomers aren't buying shit anymore.

>>53336194
because the factories are the only reason taiwan has value

>>53336226
>Checks US net international investment position
Uh oh...

>>53336220
i think we already had that massive retard rally.

>>53335989
Top kek, and many thanks just sold 100k

>>53336233
those were fun times, i'm waiting for the fun times to return now

>>53336213
The CCP leadership were more than raised on that historical ideology, they lived it. Xi's dad was purged and he had to spend years living in a cave in rural China.
You realize how old world leaders are?

horseface resigned, they know what's coming and she's hoping she doesn't get hanged from a lamp post

>>53336235
>tfw im buying nice food and luxury items with my bobo gains and mumus gf is looking at me wondering how i can afford it all
sorry kiddo thats just how the game goes

>>53335602
What's this picture from? Wheres the entire original?

>>53336220
>good news to the contrary would result in a massive retard rally
We literally just got that.
But regardless, I'm thinking more about big picture multi-year timeframe. It's hard to see the S&P 500 trading back to the higher asset multiples we saw in 2021 anytime soon.
So unless the Fed goes soft and we start pumping stimmies back out and re-inflating an even bigger, more retarded bubble, it could legitimately be a dead decade for stocks.
That doesn't mean there won't be winners, but passive holders are gonna go absolutely nowhere. For reference, look at foreign markets this entire last decade.

Just something I've been thinking about recently.

>>53336265
i guess the same reasoning is why france wants to reclaim lousiana

>>53336131
It gets whiter every time, which is why btc will soon replace usd. Cypherpunk digital money made by a weeb computer nerd. Whitest money ever made.

you did remember your training didnt you? i hope youre buying the dip

jxn is back on the menu

>>53336204
>economy cant be propped up anymore
lol

>>53336283
https://youtu.be/JaAWdljhD5o

Buy weed and psilocybin stocks

>>53336303
it cant without QE and its starting to show. After QE the wick on the dynamite gets shorter again, but there is an end to it all.

>>53336284
sell calls, dividend chase, t bills, 3x leveraged bull 10-30y treasury etf

>>53336292
>comparing an event legally settled centuries ago to a violent civil war decades ago

>>53334945
The fed is actually still printing money even to this day kek.

>>53336253
i went back and looked
if you bought 50 LEAPS on the date i made that post, then sold them when SOXL hit the top (or any of the november peaks), you'd have turned 33,750 dollars into 178,750
hopefully we'll get back to the fun times soon enough.

>>53336241
Yes? Problem, doomer-kun? What, your CCP lord is gonna make a tantrum about it? The same Winnie that runs on already shit tier soviet copies, but now made of Chinkium? When the original of the copies get obliterated by a mere handufl of HIMARS designed in the 80s operated by slavs dumb monkeybrains? With an army that only ever had to fight HK students, with Stormtroopers efficiency on top of corruption and dilbert-meme-tier shit that can only get amplified up to 11 because it's a shitty communist hellhole?
Let me laugh at you not seeing how the West will dominate the world for another set of 200 years. As it should be.

>>53336072
We can take different weeks, her sex drive has gotta be off the charts

>>53335063
yeah those guys are dumbasses
haha

>>53336322
still a pretty cool island you gotta admit, especially with those semi factories, and if they are destroyed at least we got this cool island and my father's ghost is appeased.

Guys, I will be shorting AMZN even when they are doing Buy with Prime shit.

Why? Because I got my package today, and the delivery guy was some disabled dude driving in a Mitsubishi. Not even a Prime delivery truck or UPS van, just a broken down car with wheelchair tag on the window.

THAT can't be a good sign lmao.

>>53336354
And that's what the chinks care about. Avenging their ancestors etc. You have a lot to learn about their mentality.

>>53336359
theyre cutting costs for higher margins. bullish.

>>53336338
wild thing is that this was a response to me and i didn't take it.

anyone have an overlay with opex dates vs spy?

>>53336362
i now fear less for ww3 thank you anon, as long as it's some limp dick adherence to mommy and daddy i have no fear

>>53336340
On a relative basis I wouldn't want to fuck with the Brits of 1915. But the Brits of 1955? Oh yeah.

Human capital retires, depletes, and decays like anything else. And if I were Taiwanese, I wouldn't want my survival to depend on Admiral Laquanda's twerking skills or Jose's stealth fighter QC.

Oopsie poopsie
https://youtu.be/Y7pteqWRYu4

>>53335385
Yeah just ignore the worlds biggest companies and banks laying off people, you know better after all kid.

>>53336303
doens't think the economy depends on 0% rates and infinte QE lmao

>>53336338
people forget

man, I wanted to buy DAX. I am now waiting for everything to fall over the next year while I pay down my margin debt with my salary and badass dividend income (which I can deduct interest rate expenses from for tax purposes)

I dont really see anything thats cheap ass to mouth.

>>53336456
yet

>>53334862
This stuff tastes like shit, why is the stock so high? Goddamn there must be a lot of junkies out there

>>53336393
return to QE faster
bullish

>>53336483
Oh bby gurl, you fucking tarded.

>>53336393
where the fuck you been?
jobless claims rising is bullish as fuck. means fed will ease rates.

>>53335744
based quaaack bro

>>53336456
Who the fuck buys DAX? It's a sinking ship. Buy some CAC40, it didn't become the first financial place of Europe for nothing. Better yet, just buy LVMH. I fucking told you to buy LVMH 2 years ago, last year, and even this year, but of course you wouldn't listen.

>>53336194
u think tsmc is in taiwan
ur wrong
taiwan is in tsmc

their industry was brought up precisely as a defense mechanism against west taiwan

>>53336501
my sweet summer child
you will see and you will learn because you didn't listen

>>53336502
Not unless you combine it with 2% inflation

>>53336512
it returned 40% and had a dividend of 4%
do not underestimate ze germans, or the idea that the best investment ideas might be counterintuitive

faggit

God i just love looking at my money. cant wait to buy a nice colombia hooker with this money and maybe an burger with an extra patty.

>>53336534
inflation is going down and economic numbers are looking dogshit. no reason to be bearish.

>>53336529
All i want to see is your fat body splattered all over wallstreet. Do me a favor, write 'Do A Flip, (insert name)' on the window before you do said flip.
https://youtu.be/BfD3AexFEMo

>>53336275
bullish?

>>53336588
haha, no

>>53336129
>what is the first island chain doctrine
While China wouldn't mind capturing Taiwan's semiconductor industry intact, it wants the island of Taiwan far more due to its strategic location which blocks China's access to the Pacific. The semiconductor industries are a nice bonus but they'll likely be destroyed if China invades anyway. China has wanted to reclaim Taiwan for its strategic location long before semiconductors became a thing.

You know the lower it goes the more I win. The best part?. I don't gotta do a thing but let my divvy just reinvest. My 401k contributions bag more to twice a month. Meanwhile I just go to work, do nothing, and enjoy a stress free life. Or in cases like today where I took the day off, enjoy doing life's little tedious shat without a care either.

why we dump today?

>>53334862

Looks like shit, tastes like shit, and hereir costs more than a fresh fruit juice.

Never seen a person drinking here even if it's available in several places.

>>53336672
Market fundamentals.
https://youtu.be/cdmhyEqCINM

>>53336672
Probably in preparation for the FOMC meeting on Thursday

How do I pretend to be normal long enough to get a gf?

do you think we're finally returning to normal where nvda starts dumping 10% every day?

>>53336697
FOMC is gonna be the most bullish shit ever. can't wait.

>>53336454
I remember buying three digits soksul
I had no fucking clue what I was doing back then

>>53336707

>>53336502
did you look at the retail sales data this morning?

>futures

it just keeps going down kek

>>53336725
I love little bobbleheads.

>>53336725
yes, the worse it is the more bullish.

>>53336701
No we're returning to the actual normal from before that when it pumped 10% every day

>>53336700
practice

>>53336707
You meant to say bullshit right?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/j8kfr3rMihI

>>53336672
400 level on SPY is haunted.

Also the treacherous Nipponese refused to give up their yield control cap.

>>53336697
Liar. The only major thing tomorrow is "Speech -- Vice Chair Lael Brainard". "FOMC" my ass.
Source: https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/calendar.htm

>>53336744
the narrative has now changed
bad news is bad news
literally today was the marking of the public change
>>53335197
but we have been warning you for a week that this would happen (that the narrative would flip)

>>53336614
what if they go that way into the pacific? i'm bullish on the yen anyone else?
>YANG calls

>>53336759
>billions of dollars should evaporate all at the same time because men's apparel cost 1% more last month
this is your brain on bear faggotry

>>53336635
can i see cost basis and amount of shares owned? no P/L i've always wondered divvie anon

>>53336779
bears also ignore the fact that inflation hits equities as well, so a level of 4000 today is a level of ~3600 in 2020

Oooohhhh fuck, bank runs are happening KEK

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1615836985846898720

>>53336779
we are in a severe recession my friend, each new piece of data for the last month has been worse than the last
we warned you that eventually the market would realize that bad news is bad news
this was the straw that broke the camels back, where now the narrative that is being pushed is "economic weakness led to market fall"
look at the image >>53335197
when was the last time you saw this headline?
really think about it. it's the first time in this cycle where bad news is bad news

>>53336779
>millions of men decide not to buy new clothes because theyre more expensive. billions of dollars of shirt sales over many months that otherwise would have been made are now not made.

>>53336759
nope. bad news is still bullish. means fed will ease sooner. its really that simple.

>>53336753
oops, that's what I get for being retarded, I thought it was this week KEK

I like my mumu bussy bloody af, fr fr.
https://youtu.be/skAnvWPhaWc

>>53334862
See what happens, baker? This, >>53336815, is what happens when you don't include links in the OP!

https://www.cmegroup.com/markets/interest-rates/cme-fedwatch-tool.html

>>53336805
>we are in a severe recession
lol shut the fuck up with this doomer trash. "Severe" yeah okay lick my balls. You realize that this "bad news is bad news" narrative shift you're so hard for right now is the exact reason you're going to be crying next month? Suddenly good news is good news too, and the next remotely bullish headline is going to push everything up above the 200 dma it's been humping for a month

>>53336779
I just bought new pants for camping and shit was expensive.

>>53336805
>picrel
looks like faggotry propaganda to get retail short before they rip there faces off. you're overly complicating it all.

>>53336841
Oh shit, another tard in the bread.

>>53336799
hack rumors were there in the morning i wonder what happened.
>tldr silver is a retarded investment you just can't afford gold

>>53336812
how does the Fed cutting interest rates by 0.25% or 0.5% in July (that is when federal funds futures is pricing in the cuts) going to boost Q1 earnings?
how about Q2 earnings? Q3? Q4?
monetary policy lags by 12 months
so if the Fed did pivot in July as the market has been pricing in, it does nothing to save the market
just think about it anon.. let's say hypothetically the Fed comes out tomorrow and cuts rates by 0.25% - does this save the thousands of people being laid off everyday? No
does them cutting by 0.25% result in more money in the consumers pocket in any form? no
does a pivot strengthen the consumer? does it boost corporate profits? no no
it also will lag by 12 months
and furthermore, there is no pivot coming. The Fed needs to raise above 5%, closer to 5.4% and then hold it there for many months
>muh inflation is defeated
look at oil. look at gasoline. oil is up 17% gas 27% in one month
shelter was up 0.6% last month, look at food. look at core.

>>53336841
>suddenly good news is good news
lmao what good news is coming?
the recession is just beginning - we only began to see recession data prints within the last 4-6 weeks
>magically, the economy healed itself!
layoffs are increasing everyday, today microsoft announced 10k
we in an economic meltdown - we are seeing data prints worse than during '08-'09 peak
wake up

>>53336874
>the market is only forward looking when it confirms my gay ass bear thesis!!!
lol

nothing ever happens. Tech layoffs mean nothing those people all have massive savings

>>53336885
>2023 bulls

>>53336882
>ECONOMIC MELTDOWN
You must write headlines for the Washington Post
>MUH LAYOFFS
Every single big tech company has been waiting for an excuse to trim the fat without being accused of some sort of woke felony, and Elon going scorched earth on Twitter gave it to them. That's 10,000 six figure salaries that Microsoft doesn't have to pay anymore, and you're telling me it's bad for the company?

>>53336885
please explain how the Fed cutting interest rates by 0.25% in July will boost corporate profits, and help raise the stock market to new levels
please do not just regurgitate the dynamic of 2022
explain, in your own words, why the Fed cutting interest rates by 0.25% in July would help boost earnings, and why between now and then, Q1, Q2, and Q3 earnings would rise

>>53336874
>shelter was up 0.6% last month
OK, but what was the real, not-retarded-OER value? Zestimates have been cratering haven't they?

sometimes I feel bad for bulls but then I read posts itt and don't feel bad anymore

>>53336874
yeah i know the economy is in the tollet and inflation is probably around 20%. its all bullshit and lies. but it doesn't matter. the only thing that matters is what they says matters. does that make sense? im not betting against those in power who make the rules and make up these phony ass numbers. they will do what it takes to take it higher.
also the market doesn't give a shit about the average wagie who is suffering. the market is not an indication of economic health.

Are you ready for the second great depression?

>>53336915
it is bad for the economy when every company is laying off 10,000 people! lmao. how do you not understand that? mass layoffs are not bullish!
it boosts margins, but if every single company is laying off thousands of people, not spending on expansion, growth collapses
people who got laid off are no longer paying their bills, extending their credit at 19% interest rates to buy food and gasoline - look at delinquencies, look at defaults they are rising my friend

>>53336930
if that ever happened, it would be years. they can still get away with a massive QE and kick the can another couple years.

>>53336946
>>53336946
>>53336946
new
>>53336946
>>53336946
>>53336946
new

>>53336940
a lot of those jobs were temp wagie holiday jobs.
but to answer your question, yes its good for the markets. the fed controls the markets what dont you understand?

>>53336920
no. they have been falling in the most overbought metropolitan areas, think of places like Arizona / Texas / Florida big cities
but house prices have not popped yet, to the surprise of everyone - it's inevitable that the housing bubble will pop
until it does, we have not reached the market bottom
soon enough, the layoffs will catch up to the overextension in credit people have taken on to afford their mortgage

>>53336917
Your argument is absurd because literally everyone already knows that the market has been going down because the Fed was hiking rates. But oh, it's actually not going to go up when they cut rates now? What kind of goalpost shifting bullshit is that bro?

>>53336940
LOL yeah okay the people who were getting fat salaries at companies like Amazon and Microsoft can't afford groceries or car payments anymore and they're all going to max out their credit cards. You are almost certainly closer to 15 than 30.

>>53336951
>a lot of those jobs were temp wagie holiday jobs.
you're a fucking retard lmao. are you just going to completely ignore the thousands and thousand and thousands of jobs that have been announced and made national news over the past month?
jesus christ.
>they were all holiday workers!
god. how are you mumus this delusional
do you not read the news? do you not have a market news feed?

>>53336941
they did that from 2008 to now, it's over

>>53336969
are you aware this isn't a free market anymore? and that you are literally fighting the fed?

>>53337010
one day yes, this is not it.
have you been to a fucking airport recently? ive never seen so many people taking vacations. everyone i know is still splurging and doing just fine. you just love doom.

I fell into the leveraged ETF meme and am pretty much fucked. Should I just cut my losses for TQQQ and UPRO? Or just keep bag holding and averaging down.

>>53336915
it's bad for the economy. roasties are the biggest spenders and that's $1 billion of spending going out the window.
thats one person defaulting on their rent, not door dashing anymore, making advertising space that MSFT leases less valuable.

>>53337084
My UPRO position. It ain't pretty.

>>53337084
if we had zero interest rates and fed buying bonds (and not a housing market that just doubled in price)
DCA on LETF isn't the dumbest idea.
right now it's not going anywhere.

you can buy back in at $10 or lower a year from now.

>>53336922
There is a guy who thinks that people losing their jobs has no bearing on stock valuations going down. I think I'm being trolled hard

>>53337118
I'm just conflicted if I should just cut my losses and sell

>>53337084
>>53337100
bro they told you that you just have to hold for ten years and its fine. you are failing step number 2. step one was buying the stock.

>>53337012
YOU are fighting the Fed
YOU are fighting the bond market
how do you not understand this
how more transparent can the Fed be

Bros.....all those companies that I did business with....

>>53337155
if you feel like you would FOMO in if it rallied after you sold, then hold it to zero.
imo the odds of tech doing a face melting rally from here are pretty slim.

>>53335026
>worst pandemic in history
What is the bubonic plague, retard