/biz/ - Business & Finance

It's coming
Buy gold

Threadly reminder that dividends are irrelevant. If you want a bit of cash from your stocks, you can sell some.

>>53308456
Checked sequential trips of truth

>>53308445
I would fuck her

>>53308457
nice reminder than contemporary stocks are fucking NFTs

I hate getting dickmogged by futa elves

Le mutt*id women, trophy of simps and /biz/cels
(not board users but OP's faggot kind)

>>53308485
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY3ARtg2e08

This is a pro Serena general John. You will lover her as I do.

Anime lolis

>>53308540

if you don't react this way to proximity to women, leave

All glory to the Biz Ball

Do any of you faggot cunts listen to earnings calls?

>>53308540
Wow I looked up the name. You guys are stalking some literal nobody? Hahahahaha

>futures

>>53308597
I hope everything is massively down premarket so I can add to my bags.

>>53308494
Take your anti-Tesla negativity somewhere else!

>>53308456
Im so fucking short you wouldnt believe

>>53308532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGnbiBDmuBI

>Futes

>>53308540
Is this "serena" in the room with us right now?

>>53308532
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IDOyaQLuumM

>>53308585
no i only read quarterly reports, they're basically the same thing right?

>>53308585
Why? Either your bet wins or loses.

>>53308422
>I'm empirically right about the majority of active managers underperforming the market too?
Most aren't trying to. They'd rather play it safe and collect a paycheck. Those that do succeed in outperforming tend to see AUM grow and quickly reach a scale where it becomes impossible to continue.
Many investors don't care anyway - they feel more comfortable earning less as long as they feel its safely taken care of.
Many funds have arbitrary restrictions on what they invest in. For foreign investors, bond funds, or small cap investors, "the market" is not a sensible metric for them to compete against.

I've already said all this. I'm just repeating myself because you seem incapable of fully comprehending.

Poker players lose money on average too, do you think professionals there are just getting lucky their whole lives?
What about insurance - on the whole more money is put into insurance than the average person will ever get out. Insurance firms extract fees while adding, on average, no value for their customers. Do you think that industry shouldn't exist?

You're latching on to irrelevant shit like Nikkei total return vs index price return (both are dogshit btw. Topix is a better index), while completely missing the point that your arbitrary criteria of "the market" is itself just another man made construction. When Buffett and Bogle push passive investing, they're just acknowledging two basic facts: the performance drag of fees, and the law of averages.
The median investor will have median performance, and in a fat tailed distribution this will be below the mean. Add in the negative impact of fees and it gets worse. This doesn't mean it's impossible to win. It doesn't even mean it's hard to win. Most will lose, just as most players at a table of poker will lose. In general, you could certainly say the best advice not to play at all. However, none of this excludes the possibility that those who develop skills and put in effort can (and often will) win.

>>53308445
>you will never keep bees with a qt 3.14 like her

i hope you guys who keep posting this girl are doing it intentionally to piss off rocker

>>53308688
everything i post here is
1) satire
2) to piss off rocker

I'm starting to realize all of the people outside of /smg/ that I know I am unconsciously putting through a psy-op. Specifically my employees. I never realized it until now. I should probably make a video about it because I think most of you could benefit from it

>>53308485
dump eet

>>53308676
the insurance industry unironically shouldn't exist.

>>53308597
we never talk about Ramseys daughter and that needs to change

>>53308688
I love John with all my heart. But he will rue the day he slandered my wife

Thanks, those refs are really helpful

>>53308585
>bad earnings
Buy the dip, bullish.
>good earnings
Bullish.

Why would I waste time listening to earnings calls when the correct solution is always buy?

A fuck bobo, that's that shit I don't like
A snitch bobo, that's that shit I don't like, nah
A bitch bobo, that's that shit I don't like, nah
Sneak bobo, that's that shit I don't like
Don't like, like, don't like, like
A snitch bobo, that's that shit I don't like, nah
Don't like, like, don't like, like
A bitch bobo, that's that shit I don't like, nah

A popped bobo, that's that shit I don't like
I got a bad bobo, yeah, that bitch white
We smoke dope all day, all night
You smoke Reggie, that's that shit I don't like
We got a fuckin' Audi, that bitch all white (skrr, skrr, skrr)
Pull up on your bitch, bet she gon' like
Sosa bitch, yeah, I done gon' hype
Pistol totin' and I'm shootin' on sight
A snitch bobo, that's that shit I don't like
Your bitch want do the team, bet she won't fight
Bitch, we GBE; fuck who don't like!
And we ain't gon' fight, our guns gon' fight

Fake True's, that's that shit I don't like
Fake shoes, that's that shit I don't like
Fake bobo, that's that shit I don't like
Stalking-ass bitch, shit I don't like
I done got indicted selling all white
But I won't never snitch, none in my life
I keep this shit 3hunna, bitch, I'm goin' right
With my bobros when it's time to start taking lifes
Playing both sides, shit that I don't like
Wartime spark broad day, all night
Playing both sides, shit that I don't like
Wartime spark broad day, all night

I'm killing these mumus, shit that they don't like
Broski got the 30, he ain't tryna fight
Got your bitch, I was in it all night
Fredo in the cut, that's a scary sight
You not with the shits you can die tonight
I only want the top, I ain't tryna pipe
Them youngins with the shits, they be totin' pipe
Floatin' off at flat, I might take flight
3hunna, bitch, we hot, we done took flight
Taking shit down, we ain't like the price
Thirsty-ass bitches, shit that we don't like
OTFGBE your bitch like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK3-NHQ0EJc

>>53308694
>>53308714
too fucking based. the best is when he gets so pissed he has to make a video because hes seething so much

Due diligence? Anon, this investment round is closing fast! Are you in or out?

>>53308728
cringe

what do you think the variable rate on i bonds will be at the next change?

>>53308728
Based, fuck boboids.

>>53308714
Oh?

>>53308694
>>53308714
incredible based, turbo green week if digits

>>53308779
Oh my, pretty close?

Now check these digits for -5% NDX tomorrow

The real shitcoin is the treasuries.

>>53308786
>>53308779
crab detected then fren

>>53308769
that's it, i'm asking all my future dates if they've been vaxxed
if a woman can't cook breakfast, she's useless to me

>>53308585
I typically just skim the transcripts.
The good stuff is in the annual reports.

>I see your rallying markets and raise you 100 basis points

>>53308810
The rape will now be long and slow as wage spiral looms

>>53308810
>Us02y yield blocks your path

>>53308445
Why aren't you people buying Bitcoin miners on the rebound?
Literally made 200% since the start of the year and we're nowhere near previous ATHs...
Pic related.

>>53308810
>oh white wendy

>>53308830
Because in crypto land, they have the term "bart".

>>53308810
stupid pussy bitch would never do it

>>53308830
Those are just today's gains (minus MARA which is US-traded and showing Friday's result).

>>53308676
Post portfolio and trade history
pic related, im all in skyt at $8
am i gonna make it?

>>53308844
That makes it even easier to trade...
You have the weekend to gauge what direction BTC is heading, and then you act on it on Monday...
I know tomorrow the miners are going to have a massive leg up as we held above $20K in Bitcoin.

Free money.

That's it! My hours at work are being reduced and I have my passion back. It's time. It's time I show this shit general what it means to make REAL money in the stock market. Every one of you will benefit from this, except scoopsies. I'm finally over him, bb I'M BACK!!!!

https://youtu.be/uB1D9wWxd2w

>>53308870
How's your track record predicting that?

>>53308830
because bitcoin is going under 5k this year
congrats on the swing trade, though

>>53308830
Bitcoin is currently taking a dump all over TA and I don't wanna be around when it decides it's time to follow TA again

> futures

This is your threadly reminder that the Standard and Poors 500 benchmark index has a fair trading value of 1800.

>>53308897
>standard
>poor

>>53308884
>>53308885
>>53308886
Jesus, you people are dumber than the average cryptonigger shitcoin "investor".

>>53308862
>Post portfolio and trade history
Nah.

>>53308884
>How's your track record predicting that?

You don't have to predict anything. I don't trade.
I do know that Bitcoin will be substantially higher in early 2024 than it is today, and substantially higher by Dec 2024.

>>53308910
Why you mad though? I mean, you clearly made a couple 10x or 100x's on the last two gaps up with your short dated MARA calls. You're easily in 7 figures.

Unless...the price action's random shit you don't actually have a handle on. Which'll wreck you when BTC plunges 5k overnight and zeroes out your calls.

>>53308925
im really impressed how you literally lost all your money and gambled again on red winning it back, congrats!

>>53308932
Ah so you're a responsible long term hodler. You bought your miners when the market found its rock solid support around 20k in October and that gay rainbow chart was screaming "fire sale!".

That's stellar then; you're just about breaking even on your bags now. Congrats!

>>53308932
>I do know that Bitcoin will be substantially higher in early 2024
funniest shit ive ever read

>>53308965
Slight inaccuracy there. I flipped to betting on black.

>>53308987
>each week a new cryptofirm is lit on fire because their reserves cant cover redemption

>>53308457
They are taxed differently, so no.

But also it's mostly about corporate structure. Mature companies don't really have a lot of investments to dump the money into. They could hold cash but they might as well give it to you to work with.

>>53308457
My dividends are paying my monthly expenses this month. I'm glad you are retarded.

>>53308935
>I mean, you clearly made a couple 10x or 100x's on the last two gaps up with your short dated MARA calls. You're easily in 7 figures.

Not mad and I don't use options, except Puts occasionally to protect profits. I'm not in the business of fortune telling. I buy and hold until the next Bitcoin run up.
Now is the time to be buying miners. Better than owning the actual underlying asset, because it's a leveraged play as these are companies with cash flows, and I can hold them in my tax-free accounts, so all of the gains are mine.

Best way to play Bitcoin.

>>53308910
Hey man if you got the balls to hold on while every indicator in the short term is screaming overbought, that's your business. I'm just saying it could fall off a cliff at any moment

>>53308987
Very few things are certain, but Bitcoin being more valuable than it is today, is one of those.

I just want prices to go back to last October so I can buy in and stop waiting for a good entry point.

t. cashgang

>>53309037
The entirety of the liquidity for BTC is Binance and Tether, unironically.

>>53309046
You are wrong. Simple as.

>>53309037
its value is negative, the price maybe propped up long enough for institutions to dump their holdings, but it's not going to spike ever again

>>53308710
I do. I already offered on this board to be her fuckboi. She needs someone to take her off the rails

>>53309057

How to invest in thots

>>53309057
Let's make a bet. My portfolio will severely outperform your shitty ass gold miner stocks, GME or whatever garbage it is you hold, tomorrow at close. I'll report in at 4 PM EST.

Almost all of you need jesus

https://youtu.be/ixbcvKCl4Jc

Lean hogs bros I don't know how much more selling I can stand. Need some hopium

>>53309085
Would that be perhaps make-up adjacent? All the women I see have like 8 layers of shit caked on their face

>>53309043
Anon, I'm sorry to say that's not how inflation works.

>>53309090

>>53309094
Cattle shortage will cause a substitution effect that sparks a bid?

>>53309088
let's make a bet: my penis is longer than yours and youre uglier than me

>>53309015
Yeah, dividend irrelevance doesn't take account of taxes and trading costs.

>>53309025
>when you sell shares, you can't use the cash to pay bills

>>53309085
>anymore

>>53308830
>>53309088
Very cool. Now get the FUCK out of my stockie thread crypto fag.

>>53309193
Bitcoin miners are stocks. Terrible stocks, but good shorts.

buy le dip, fellow apes!

pivot soon!

How does economic freedom affect the stock market?

>>53309144
Yeah and you will never replace those shares you sold off. I will pay my bills and use the extra to buy more. You'll get raped selling in low spots too. I'm still glad you're retarded, sucks to suck

>>53309254
Bro, I'm not doing your 9th grade social studies homework for you.

>>53309300
come on talk about something instead of posting >futures and repeating shitty memes from 5+ years ago

>>53309274
When a company pays a dividend, it's not free money. The company becomes poorer. After the dividend payment you own the same number of shares, but each share is less valuable.

>>53309310
Well however you want to answer the question, you have to account for the fact that the Third Reich was an excellent "buy the dip" opportunity.

>>53309324
I don't care as long as they keep paying and I'm not losing shares. Again I'm glad you're retarded, the more you misunderstand this the better. It's not enough that I succeed, others must fail

>>53309324

You bros ripping some puts or waiting for earnings? I feel like we can get some nice red tomorrow (after we open with a spike up)

>>53309340
You don't have to care that the company is poorer, but the market cares. It changes how it values the stock.

>>53309383
Cool story, I suggest you go eat some hot pockets and watch some nogflix or whatever it is people of your caste do all day

>>53309340
>REEEEEE DIVVIES BAD! GAMBLING LIKE SHITCOIN CASINO GOOD!
I like a good yolo on a memestock or 0dte as much as the next guy but dividend bearing stocks have a place in any portfolio that isn't foodstamps or lambo aggressive. It's just hard explaining that kind of thing to someone that's still in a foodstamps or lambo kinda mindset, the same way most people that get rich in an instant end up blowing it all instead of parking enough in something stable like treasury bonds or a money market account where they can live off a few percentage points of the sum total amount they set aside. Everyone should have a portion of their portfolio that is hyperaggressive, but anyone that actually reaches a make-it level sum of money should be taking steps to ensure a steady income no matter what happens. Dividends are a great way to do that while still having a stock position with a good company, just gotta look out for unrealistic yields from them and keep an eye on the underlying to make sure it'll be enough to meet your goals.

>>53309118
I'll take it

>>53309405
This meme contains sentence fragments. Whoever made it is a retard gorilla nigger whose pitch black ancestors were swinging from the trees in nothing but loincloths less than 200 years ago.

>>53308889
I don't understand watches as an investment. Don't they degrade and lose value just by existing and working? Why not buy precious metals or gems instead?

I understand if one is bought for wearing though

i have an ounce of gold actually. nice to see it pay off 3 years later. i now have 200 dollars profit.

>>53309094
Hedge it by increasing consumption

>>53309085
These whores are promoting their social media all over 4chan. I have seen them spammed on pol too. The one to the right is a boy, btw

>>53309338
>hitler comes to power
>immediately rockets up
Now isn't that just the darndest thing.

Im really tempted to buy SQQQ and oil

>>53309338
>blitzkrieg euphoria

>>53309085
Would rather put my money into 2640.TokyoEx

>natty gas
Sniffchads, contemplate the aroma

>>53309094
Zoom out, it can always get worse. It also might be a seasonal trend. Fatty hogs were always superior.

Is the bullrun back ? The line doestn go down

>>53309440
it's like vintage cars, minus the maintenance hurdle. most of the watches lose value, but the exceptional ones increase because of uniqueness
And, like cars, even if you want to buy the exceptional ones, you need to be on a special list.

>>53309615
i am thinking that it may in fact be our turn

>>53309094
Cheap lean hogs is in the 40s

>>53309682
We'd never get there, unless someone started dumping paper hogs on the market.

>>53308810
I hope this bitch powell does a 10,000 bps hike rate. Sounds impossible but I'm tired of this clown world market and retard pumps.

>natty gas

i will simply hold BOIL until nat gas is 15 $

>>53308445
stop posting this ugly whore

We have been waiting a long time. It's time for a fucking reversal. It's time to BOIL.

>>53309774
Yeah I don't get the appeal. It's like supposed to be one of those gook idol girls but wectern?
Me I prefer good old big titties

>VIX
WTFWT

>>53309939
>goes from 19 flat to 19.94
>still wildly manipulated with options and firmly in overbought territory
It was a nothingburger is what it was.

I bought DIDIY at $4. Did I do good? Hope it pumps hard on the news

>futures

it's over

>>53309378
Kek this is a good direction brain edit

>>53310111
Checked

>>53310111
kek we're doomed

>>53310111
Imma buy some yang. Shit will esp shit the bed when the chinks will report earnings. So mid february to end of march. in the last earning call of PDD they literally said "don't expect high growth" and look where the stock is lmao

>>53309533
>natty gas
Pontificate

/ES has been -Ø.30% all weekend!
Do something damn it!

Bond anons, what do you make of longer term bond yields rising again?

>>53310221
The yield curve is basically a decentralized forecast about the economy, generated by market participants buying and selling different bonds. Higher yields means more bearish, and less certainty about them paying out. Long term yields rising implies this is a generational top, a la 1981 Japan.

/CRYPTOMINER/Bros WW@?

>>53310260
I thought this was pushing the yield curve in the "right" direction, as shorter term bonds are rising less, so it's like it's trying to get back to normal from an inverted state.

>>53309994
My tradanview chart only updates VIX on 8 am gmt
I thought it didn't trade till then

>>53310289
Longer term bonds normally have higher yields because there's more risk of them not paying out in the more distant future. Higher yields always means more risk, and evidently the market is becoming less optimistic about a full economic recovery.

>>53310307
It's been trading since 3:16am and is currently at 19.98 although RSI is dropping pretty hard at the moment. Might actually pop a bit today.

>>53308564
Is that Harrison Ford?
Look at their pupils.
Even in the camera flash the coke has them almost the size of their iris

>>53308728
Based

>>53310310
>vidently the market is becoming less optimistic about a full economic recovery
I disagree. Shorting bonds are over and done and the yields will most likely continue to collapse post next FOMC.
Spreads are in the fucking goldilocks right now so risk on isn't bad play anymore.

>>53310361
>the opposite of the current trend will suddenly start happening, b-because it just will, okay??

>>53310400
>the opposite of the current trend
The opposite of the current trend would be for yields to go up. Higher long term yields would put us in deflationary spread territory right now. Jpow would rather cut his dick off than let that happen.

>>53310310
So 6 month bonds being higher yield than 30 year means that short term investments are riskier? Wouldn't that mean that long term is safer than shorter term, according to how the bond market prices these?

>RSI still shitting on VIX
>Staying nearly the same for the underlying value
Yeah, it's gon' run today

Bobos are such fucking fags, literally the loser incel virgin nerds of investing.

Cup and Handle on the Sp500

>>53310462
its going to be another green day

>>53310435
Both 6 month and 30 year yields have some risk attached to them since they both have a nonzero yield, but there's relatively more risk over the next six months than on average over the next 30 years, because 6 month bonds have a higher yield.

>>53310477
*6 month and 30 year bonds

How do I calculate if the different tax treatment of dividends will offset a lower yield?

>>53308445
>futures

>>53310289
It is. 2y didn't even go above 5%. It was another episode of "manufactured" "crisis" to get plebs to buy high.
Ignore the bond market, it has lost its prediction ability

>>53310629
You said this last time even though it predicted the covid black swan six months in advanxe.

>>53310629
To buy what high?
If you ask chatgpt what a yield curve inversion can signify one answer is the fed hiking rates

>>53310637
What? Who do you think I am. Also it didn't react to the china flu scam but to a possible liquidity crisis at the horizon after the sofr spike which was exactly over when the printers got turned to the max with the excuse china flu

>>53310628
Red meat is back in the menu boys

>>53310663
Short to midterm junk bonds

I can't wait to lose my money in UVIX
The 1.5x on UVXY was too slow

> futures

Red day or is it another fake dump?

>>53310834
Too early to tell, probably a red day - tuesdays and thursdays generally are barring major announcements or earnings.

Not saying anything, but futas are crabbish-red.

>>53310834
It's less than 10 points down from friday close. Can't draw any conclusions from this.

>>53310848
what was today?

>>53308871
You may be a coping fat cunt but i'll give you some credit for somewhat decent picks in music. Your picks are debateable. RYCEY was shit but I can't blame you for trusting a company that's trading on the FTSE. Idk what happened with AIRT but SIDU was a solid one.

>>53310881
Yesterday was green, futas are crabbish. Chart says dump.

>>53310886
So then, today will be red ?

>>53310677

>>53310898
Who knows, chart say it'll dump, TA says it might dump. My common sense says dump unless something surprises us in earnings.

Guys, guys... I have a funny joke...


PENISSSSSSSS

Chinese animation ETF vs Japanese animation ETF

>>53310904
I'm happy to see Brendan getting back, he deserves happiness

>Finally managed to dig ingrown hair out of my chin
Bullish for bears today

>>53310924
chink and hk shares do better, at least they did in the past 3 months. Naturally. China and HK indexes managed to hit 2008 levels

Anons, should I bother investing into food stocks? I went to 5 different supermarkets(walmart, raleys, safeway, target and fred meyer) and NONE of them had eggs. Costco did but they were very low on them too.

https://youtu.be/fc9UY7Z6mSI

>>53310982
.SZ is Shenzhen, China
.T is Tokyo, Japan

>>53311002
shenzhen is rightful clay of Taipei, so is the rest of west Fermosa

I have just over $10000 of credit card debt spread over 5 cards with +20% interest rates. Finally but the bullet and got approved for a debt consolidation loan at 17%. We cut up our credit cards until the debt is payed off. Feels good

>>53311127
I’ll give you 10% for the same period

>>53311127
Based and taking control of your financial wellbeing pilled. Make sure to pay extra and specify it goes towards the principal rather than interest whenever you can.

>>53311146
That’s the plan. I usually pay around $600 to my credit cards but the balance barely goes down with all the interest. My loan payment will be $377 so if I just keep throwing $600 a month I’ll avoid a lot of interest

>>53311127
>+20% interest rates
How? Why even go for a product like this and then use it for long term debt instead of as intended short term?

>>53311182
>as intended short term
lol. if credit card companies had their way you'd be in debt forever

>>53311182
I was pretty young when I got them and they are variable rates. Picrel is my capital one. I’m shaving 10% off of the interest here

>>53310982
Yeah, when Xi came out of his re election and said "the tech companies shouldn't have too much power" and "muh common propsperity", that sure announce the color of his vision.
I'm actually surprised how fast he backpedaled give his enormous ego

>>53311127
fantastic news, now u can fill up your credit cards again!

>>53311265
Not this time. We learned our lesson. Once this debt is gone we’re going to choose one or two credit cards to put all of our monthly expenses on and just pay it off every month. In the process of researching what credit card that should be. 2% cash back on everything is the front runner right now

>>53308445
stupid BITCH

>>53311281
Most moderate incel
>>53311277
Checked and smart

>>53308445
(((they're))) so scared of BIZ BALL (((they))) started spamming this take out bitch
fuck you OP you sell out fuck

>>53308585
naw, takes too long
I just wait for the results, waiting on PLD on Thursday

>>53308585
>listen to earnings calls?
Nah, I leave that to bagholders, um, I mean, investors lol

>>53311277
just shorted V, MA and AXP

>>53311230
china has been a puppet state of the zog since latest after the mid 1980s. They dont have any autonomy, and if a little chinaman dares to lift his voice, they are swiftly reminded that the 50s could return any day

Someone post the full takeout girl gif please.

>>53311088
People in Taiwan wouldn't appreciate this joke
It's like telling people in Ukraine Russia is East Ukraine, after Ukrainian experience those atrocities done by Russian

>>53311127
I’m funding a bunch of debt consolidation loans on prosper at the moment. They need to teach basic financial literacy in highschool

>>53311352
here you go

Futas are recovering are we really back?

>>53311230
Xi didn't actually backpedal
He now said economy is the focus, but it is focus of government pushing the economy up instead of letting the marjet do the job.

Just some days ago the news cane out that China will push the development of strategic industry by banning or restricting the IPO of companies from other industries in order to concentrate capitals onto those that government like to see development in.
https://on.ft.com/3CuLI3u

>>53311265
I got my first card from fidelity just to build up my credit score and I'm fucking shocked they'll let me go $7500 into debt
no way I'm buying what I can't afford but holy shit no wonder people go into debt

thanks to the anon who posted reminiscences of a stock operator audiobook yesterday
was extremely comfy and the mistakes he describes fit to probably everybody trading actively
literally nothing changed from 1900 market to today's except we have retard algos now and a faster market
any other recommendations?

>53311352
>53311383
you cocksuckers will never stop BIZ BALL
fuck off
>>53311414
What did you learn anon?

>>53311383
Fucking bitch

Fucking niggercocksucking jewbastard dip buying trannyfuckers, I hope you lose everything

>pasts

>>53311432
We will never stop buying the dip, we will increase our buys the more Powell spreads FUD.

>futures

>>53311446
you know, when you look back at history there are a lot of moments where people go "trust the science" and its clearly insane

>>53308445
test

still not selling my shorts.

I KNOW I KNOW.

it's just... I'm not selling. lol.

I changed the bootstrap method from fully independent samples (I was also accidentally drawing without replacement) to circular block bootstrap.
Growth rate improved, because that was the objective of my optimization. Sharpe ratio and max drawdown are worse.

Old portfolio:
>34% QQQ, 8% EEM, 35% GLD, 23% SHY
New portfolio:
>54% QQQ, 6% EEM, 4% IWM, 20% VNQ, 13% GLD, 2% TLT
So, a far more aggressive portfolio.

>>53308456
Sure thing Moshe I’ll get right on it. I sure do love me some overpriced shiny that won’t be helpful in the only situation people claim it’s worth buying for.

>>53311182
>>+20% interest rates
>How? Why even go for a product like this and then use it for long term debt instead of as intended short term?
Credit card allow users obtain whatever people want immediately regardless of whether people can actually afford them in the month. Thus it can easily tempt people.
And while credit cards are intended for short term, if everyone repaid fully on time then banks would have earned much less profit and you won't see this much credit card promotion offers.
At least it isn't like my place where the norm of credit card debt interest rate is between 39-45%APR, and lower interest loans available on market for people to move off that still commonly charge 22-27%

>>53311432
>>53311466
>bad news
>line go up
>good news
>line go down
I'm convinced at this point the only thing really driving the market is whether a particular large hedge fund needs to make its calls or puts.

>>53308445
Any fellow neggers in Here. Just went back in on negg. Wonder if the Friday thing is still happening

>>53311456
>japan most vaxxed in the world
>excess deaths up 500%
No one can explain that, it just happens.

>>53311424
>What did you learn anon?
it was nothing new and momentum trading which he did is common nowadays but everything he described fit to my own mistakes which I did and still do like the retard "plunging" instead of building up a position to confirm your trades, risk management, psychology (doubts about your positions, greed, other factors which bring doubt in your conviction), selling too late but taking profits too early, how he describes what he learned from his mistakes and how the market still finds ways to humble and fuck you good.
the stories about his beginning at the bucket shops were also interesting

Goldman Sachs drops a bit on earnings.
Get ready for bank earnings round two.

>>53308830
I pay my electric bill

>>53311497
To be fair Japan has been known as being one of the most suicidal even before covid and the lockdowns

>>53308705
>the insurance industry unironically shouldn't exist.
Would you bet your house on that?

>>53311531
>suicides just stopped during covid out of politeness but now that that's out of the way they're getting back on track

>>53311414
>>53311504
Read a bit more than half of it too and have the same takeaways. The parts about how one can exit or enter with a large stake and how the rampart market manipulation of the era worked is no longer really relevant, but there's a lot of good stuff there about human weaknesses and how they make you fuck up. It feels like fuck all has changed since then in terms of how people approach the market.

Elon Musk was in my dream last night

I was playing roulette alone and he came and sat down at the table across from me but he didnt gamble he just ate a sandwich (VERY messily, dripping tomato juice all over the felt) and watched me. He was laughing as I lost over and over.
I was down to my last chips and I put them on 30 red and I won, and he said congrats well done.

What does it mean and how do I profit from this?

>>53311576
Its a sign you will have a horrible accident involving a tesla.

>>53311560
yeah imagine you can feel up the market by doing some medium sized moves to check the waters then after confirmation you can go in like they described some big whales did

>>53311621
Are there other ways to do it?
First hedge position then if confirmation reduce hedge increase position

>>53311602
He shits himself constantly

>>53311621
That's called IDCA, Inverse DCA,
It's the opposite of standard bagholder DCA where you buy as much as you can on the way down and instead you buy as much as you can on the way up.
I invented it.

>futures

giga dump day for real?

IT’S OVER

SELL SELL SELL

>>53309405
This meme was brought to you by a 50iq subhuman

>>53311659
true but you're not moving the markets with your positions to get feedback on the next quotes

>China is officially open, covid 100% over
>Turkey to mediate peace between Russia / Ukraine

BUY BUY BUY

>>53308445
Imagine a group of 20 guys just defilinf her and nutting all over her face at the same time.
Covered. Doused. Would be like a pie face with cum
I'm gonna coom

>>53311720
>peace in Ukraine
Not happening.

>>53311659
The idea described in the book is that for whales who could move the market by themselves, it was sometimes good to waste some money feeling out the market by betting in the wrong direction. So if he wanted to go long, he started selling and watching how easy it was to sell. Rember, this was in the days when your broker physically went to the trading floor and sold shares to others, so there was a considerable delay, differences in execution were very obvious and you never knew exactly how much you'd get. Then if he saw that it was easy to sell, he covered his shorts and went long on the confidence that the move was real with proper volume. These things are not really relevant I think as the market is much quicker and wider now, but if you are a huge whale, maybe it still is. Of course the average biz anon doesn't have anywhere near the money for this to matter.

That 10k/20k student loan forgiveness was never going to happen was it? The se emails talking about them going to court over it immediately after they made the initial offer was pretty funny to see.

>>53311720
Ukraine is a forever war

>>53310979
Sorry but that indicator is bullish historically

>>53311720
>Turkey to mediate peace between Russia / Ukraine
within 2/53 years?

>>53311408
it's fucking deranged the limits they offer and I think some are or were able to raise your limit without you asking. While I'm confident I wouldn't fuck up I definitely don't mind using a secured credit card for petty expenses rather than opening a line of credit a bank will automatically extend to the point that it would be ruinous to even get halfway up.

>>53311408
>not debtmaxing
One of the only ways you can get rich. Besides, you don't even have to pay it back if you wait long enough.

>>53311480
Yea bro the only object that’s been consistently used as currency for 5000 years straight suddenly won’t be if it becomes necessary, fuck off, idiot

>>53311740
o i do have enough money if im trading a penny stock with only 50k avg volume

i like to think it's not stupid to be in a penny stock if theyre at least profitable and trading at 1x revenues but lol fuck penny stocks. this is my bag to hold

>>53311857
my kingdom for a horse

>>53311576
Probably just means that you know longing/shorting TSLA is just gambling. Winning on 30 red, the worse bet possible means that you can only win if you do the stupidest thing possible.

For some reason the market didn't rugged on friday but I think today is good as any

>>53311845
>don't even have to pay it back if you wait long enough.

Yeah because you'd get all your shit reposessed or put in jail

>U.S. NY Empire State Manufacturing Index
>-32
Seems like stagflation is really happening.

You mean to tell me that if I sell a call option I bought for a profit if the person I sold it to exercises his call option I am obligated to give him 100 shares of whatever company we agreed upon?

>>53311944
lmao
https://www.forexlive.com/news/empire-manufacturing-index-for-january-329-vs-900-estimate-20230117/
>Empire manufacturing index for January -32.9 vs -9.00 estimate
>Prices Paid 33.0 versus 50.5 last month
but..but.. this is bullish! because they paid less! who cares about the total collapse in economic activity! all I care about is inflation!!!!1111one

>silvergate
>missed earning
>huge loss
>premarket up by 4%
Explain this

>>53311954
Yes that's how options work retard. It's not gambling tickets.

>>53311954
If you're the person that sold the call initially, yes. If you're just selling a call option that you purchased from someone else, whoever initially sold it is responsible for delivery of those shares.

Tfw I didn’t listen to the anon spamming BOIL on Friday…

>>53311921
Except that's not how debt works. The bank will sell it to a collecting agency who buy it on pennies for the dollar. The agency will then call you, desperate as a crack addict, and will settle for pennies on the dollar as well.

will this shoot up at start?

What's the play on NEGG for today anons?The volume last friday was insane so I left out some of my positions in hopes it will pump today too but not sure now considering that today most likely going to be a red overall

>>53311964
That makes the barrier to entry much higher than I previously thought. I have been investing for a minute but have never got into options, really.

>Futes

>>53311406
He did though.
Authority recently release pressure on both Alibaba and Tencent
they reauthorized DIDI to get subscription
Droped his zero covid bullshit
He is actually bailing out the real estate sector by allowing them to borrow more
It's full backpedaling mode on what he said previously (no bailing out, zero covid number one prio, etc)

>>53311972
So it's whoever creates the call option. That seems a little to good to be true for people who just purely trade option calls.

>VIX 20

TODAY

I am so unbelievably bullish

>>53311954
yeah, and they reserve the right to call your away at any time, for any reason, even if it doesn't make financial sense. it could be out of the money, and bam, you get a call. but this is extremely rare, but technically can and has happened

you really gotta know what you're doing when it comes to options if this scares you

Can cryptotards get fucked today

>>53312035
That is literally how it works. If you're the one creating the call option and selling it into the derivatives market, you're responsible for delivering the shares if it's ever exercised. Multiple people can hold it and resell it to each other for profit or loss on the premium, but the person that initially wrote the contract is on the hook for delivery in the event it's exercised. Also - holy FUCK never trade options until you know enough about them to not ask these kinds of questions.

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>>53311993
I bought at 3..

>>53312072
Me too, i'm ready to put the recession fears on the back burner and go total risk on. Especially after seeing the green /biz/ball.

WHOA BLACK BETTY

>>53311962
>>53311944
Empire manufacturing for January -32.9 versus -11.2 last month. Estimate -9.0. This is the lowest since May 2020. Eleven percent of respondents reported that conditions had improved over the month, and forty-four percent reported that conditions had worsened
>the lowest since May 2020
>the lowest since May 2020
>the lowest since May 2020
>44% reported conditions had worsened
>44% reported conditions had worsened
>44% reported conditions had worsened
but this is bullish, don't you see?? the economy going into such a severe contraction that it mimics total pandemic lockdowns is bullish! economic conditions rapidly worsening this badly is bullish!!

>>53312065
Red day?

>>53312089
I have some bags at 4.2 because I forgor to close it the previous time this surfaced and when I noticed how much it was down I decided to hold it,lol

>>53312035
Not really. Because if you buy calls and they lose 30% of their value in an hour you’re still fucked. Selling calls is much safer but requires a lot of capital for it to be worthwhile. People also sell calls to lower the cost basis of their position. Say I buy 100 shares at a price of $10. I sell a far OTM call for 3 months out that nets me $100 in premium. I re-invest that $100 into the stock and my cost basis is now lower. If the call doesn’t get exercised I keep the premium for free. If it does, I still made money from the premium and the sale of shares as long as the strike price on the call is above what I paid for the shares in the first place.

>>53312099
Wait, lowest since May of 2020? Wasn't that right before Derrick Chauvin ended the pandemic?

>>53311993
The original play was for an options expiry on 1/20 (this Friday). Watch what happens today w/ shorts and volume. If volume stays elevated, hold.

blah blah blah this pump is fake and gay
haha

>>53312075
$500M of puts got liquidated over the last week. If it pumps more, more schadenfreude

>>53312159
>implying garbage stocks pumping is a good sign

>>53312218
>>53312218
>>53312218
>>53312218

where is everyone? did you guys drink too much lean for martin luther the king day or something?

make some real friends, namefag

NEXT THREAD PROPERLY BAKED:

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>>53312257

>>53312257

>>53312224
Bad Bake, Ignore.

we've done better
with the help of amphetamines but that is irrelevant

>>53312032
You mean like unsitting Jack Ma from Ant Group, make Tencent only allow kids play game between 8pm and 9pm during Chinese New Year, and force banks to provide loan to troubled property decelopers by telling them to ignore credit issue of different companies in a group when considering whether to give out a loan or not?
Relaxation of zero covid is timed to ensure political challengers have already been eliminated in 20th NPC meeting

>>53311857
Retard. Why do you think that’s at all relevant? You’re exposing how simple your mind works and the fact that’s your reason is hilarious. Just because something was, doesn’t mean it always will be. There is zero need or desire to go back to a gold standard since it didn’t work in the modern age of globalization which is why we have fiat currency in the first place. The next step will be digital currency, not a return to the gold standard you absolute pleb.

>>53309037
imagine going to the gym and seeing this

>>53311383
when I make it thats gonne be my gf

>>53308714
her friend is hotter

>>53308769
I'd eat it

>>53308445
Questions regarding futures contracts.

Given the massive volume of both puts and calls that are taken out every day, only a fraction of them stay within the money, especially puts, so it is a safe statement to make that all of these fees are simply pocketed by the institutions that sell them to retail investors yes? Just like gambling, the only party that makes money overall seems to be the people selling this product

Mortgages are leveraged anywhere from 10x to like 4x, and i'm looking to do the same with a broad market ETF but I assume that the premium/fee of taking out a highly leveraged call option with an extremely long expiry date (years) would be astronomical. Is there some simplistic information on futures contract pricing out there by chance, since I don't currently have a brokerage account to check?

>>53308769
You have to admire that she’s trying. In spite of what’s wrong with her and she seems like a fun lay too so I’ll take it

>>53309085
Pimping. Just find some dumb sl00ts that had no strong father figure in her life. Just tell her you love her and you need her so bad. Then slowly start lending her to your friends because you’re “really strapped for cash” and before you know it you’ll have her out the street making you profit