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Why is the market fighting the Fed

The Fed will NOT pivot

Whats the damage like tomorrow?
Also when the fuck did SQQQ and TQQQ flip? Is this more CERN bullshit

i missed the generational bottom in october

What’s the CPI going to be tomorrow?

The fed is pivoting as we speak

May you all prosper.

>>53229220
Quit being a pivotard.

>>53229150
Why do you think LLY's going to make a move?

Why aren't you in MARA? 44% shorted and BTC is going up.

its fucking 6 bucks right now. easily 2-3x in the near future.

>>53229202
Don't worry the bottom wont be till SPY 200. Just have to wait for the news to come out this week.

early bakers get the finger

>>53227227
>>53226846
post link. Also tell me when I should short the market

>>53229114
Forever? No.
>Near Term? Yes.

I cant wait to wake up tomorrow, boy I love gains. Nothing bad can happen tomorrow!

>>53229234
you'll see

>>53229322

>A lot of zoomers will be in for a big surprise when they learn what bear markets and deep recessions are actually like for the stock market
See how faggot ass bears don't even understand how the market works? As if zoomers are even a large enough portion of market participants to make a difference. Lmao

Market crash begins in February.

>>53229189
Elaborate..

>>53229332
then show me your positions if you believe this

>>53229264
Why aren't you in RIOT? That's got a more fun ticker.

>>53229348
Which character is this

>>53229365
higher short % for an easy scam squeeze

>>53229372
libbie!!!!!

>>53229298
>jannie futures

>>53229330
zoomers are a large enough portion of /smg/ participants to make a difference

>>53229348
Long oil
Long BOIL
Long coal
Long fertilizer
Long shipping

>>53229337
When the activated the hadron collider antoher timeline bleed through and mege with our own, its why so much weird shit has been happening this was their goal but they won't admit it

>>53229444

>>53229332
>half the major indexes already broke out above 200SMA
>S&P breaking out tomorrow
>inflation peaked
>rates peaked
>new 52 week lows peaked
>all RSIs trending up
>all indexes making higher lows and higher highs

The bear market is over bro, we already had the recession but they just couldn’t declare it for political purposes cause they didn’t wanna hurt the dems in the midterms. All the bubble stocks have been totally washed out. October was literally the generational bottom. After this week SPY will unironically never trade below 400 ever again.

When do you plan to admit you are wrong, when SPY is 450 later this year? When it’s making new all time highs next year? When the FED actually announces the pause? When the FED actually announces the pivot? When SPY is subsequent passing 500?

Listen dude. Walstreet is way waaaaaaaay smarter and infinitely more financially savvy than you. JPM and Goldman are buying stocks. You think they are wrong? They are literally the market.

>>53229444
TRUE!!!

>>53229330
>faggot ass bears

How do you expect to win a fight with the Fed? Do you know what high interest rates do to the supply of money? Do you know where money comes from?

>>53229337
see
>>53229444

>>53229444
Trips speak the truth.
>may use this strategy in my future legal defense

>futures

>>53229468
Good luck with all that bro. Market crash is February whether you're aware of it or not.
SPY will end this decade below 500

>>53229402
red pill me on natty gas, why is it so low? Didn't 3/4 of the US get snowed in? Do you guys not use gas heating

>>53229498
>I WALK A LONELY ROAD

>>53229468
>all this bull cope

Phew, I was getting worried there for a minute. Thanks for confirming a blood red dump tomorrow.

>>53229507
why February

>>53229524
that's what youtube told him

what tha futures doin

>futas blood red
heheh, hope you closed out of your longs mumu. id be shaking in fear if i were you

>>53229468
Ron Walker says the 'Fed is bluffing' rally will lead to the biggest leg down since last year and that will occur in January no matter what based on his indicators. He's never wrong so I trust him with all my money, all in on 30k in puts.

>>53229512
freeport is the one and only reason.
However, EU natural gas, while still 5x US, is also cheaper than their initial panic buying levels thanks to the warm weather over there for the past few weeks. Ending soon.

>BBBY
>AMC
>GME
>all mooning leading up to cpi

You know, I'd assume a cartel civil war would be bearish but looking at EWW and MEXX, well, there you go.

>>53229581
AMC better crash or I'm fucked
Puts expire Friday but I'm nervous

>Futures

>>53229548
this was him 2 years ago. he was wrong

>>53229604
its not gonna crash when BTC is rallying.

>>53229548
>Ron Walker
Who?

>AMD ending the day at $69

Nice.

Triple digits again soon, frens. Buy now while it's cheap!

>>53229468
Could you remind me what happened the last time the S&P went over the 200?

>S&P 500 about to touch and reject 200 DMA

>>53229626
BTC has been rallying since November tho

>>53229512
Storage levels, weather forecasts, limited exports.

>>53229524
Just a hunch. Could be March, could be April. Might even survive until summer if there's no sudden large-scale implosion to serve as the catalyst.
Soon enough though it'll have to set in that CPI is more persistent than previously imagined. Fed hikes have given a temporary reprieve but killing demand doesn't magically recover supply. More than a decade of globohomo and climate alarmism has had it's consequences. The societal debt is nearing maturity. Do you really think they can just roll it forward again - to pump their assets to infinity while rates revert to zero? Who would fall for that?

>>53229468
We are still 19%(1.5 years) above pre chink flu levels despite shit being way worse.
If you followed the fed when they printed money you have to follow them when they rein it back in.
I wish we could go back to 2020 kino but it's over

the only thing i learned from browsing this general is that this general is always wrong desu

SQQQ at open?

Mumus are so retarded it's unreal

Fact 1: Literally 100% of the upside on the market currently is speculation on the pivot. Nothing else matters right now, and nothing else can prop up the bloated markets after 15 years of infinity QE and the covid infinity^2 QE.
Fact 2: The pivot would cost you more than you can even imagine.
Fact 3: If you're bullish and not a part of the Tribe, you will lose either way. It's the inverse situlation of the "don't bet on the apocalypse" case.

>bears keep saying LINE WILL GO DOWN!!!!
>has gone nothing but up for 4 months
Good lord, can you get any more pathetic? Every single economic indicator is saying we're done with this inflation shit. There's no more fear, no reason to sell. Now we have to make up for an ENTIRE year of selling.

Melt up in order this year.

>>53229619
That’s exactly what happened though, Biden crashed the economy in 2021 and 2022, no fake pumps in between change that. Dems attempting to pump up the market are why we are going to go up to 4,000 again and crash down even harder than last time, the fundamentals always say what’s going to happen.

i yelled at my co workers because they kept dragging a call on at 6:30pm while i was really hungry and had food on the stove. now i feel guilty and will have to apologize tomorrow

>>53229705
just so you know, im screenshotting your posts and others like it and im gonna repost them and laugh at you when we hit new ATH's.

>>53229738
You probably do have to say sorry but you were definitely in the right, I fucking hate when people don't want to just try and finish work stuff and then leave asap

>>53229092 #
Absolutely based
Thank you for your analysis
No how to play it besides shorting outright?

>>53229752
FUCK CARVANA

>>53229264
whats their break even on mining bitcoin? Dont they need bitcoin to hit somthing silly like 40k to start turning a profit?

>>53229724
>2023 anno domini
>still thinking the narrative is about inflation like 2022
>not realizing the narrative is about the recession
>not realizing that we are in severe economic contraction not only here but globally
ISHYGDDT

>>53229705
>he doesnt know about the Santa Rally 2

>>53229752
god she was so fucking ugly

>>53229724
Yeah don't you love how they point to fraction-of-a-percent moves in economic data as catastrophes? Almost as if they're part of a foreign disinformation and demoralization scheme... Or just retarded.

Google tom brady new gf

>>53229753
I won't be thinking of your posts at all when we're pushing fresh lows.
You'll no longer be around to acknowledge your stupidity anyway, so what's the point in archiving?

>>53229705
>pivot

The consensus tomorrow is 6.5. Even if it was 6, or let's say 5.5, you think the Fed is going to "pivot", and do what exactly, slash rates back to zero and start printing? When is this pivot supposed to happen? You tell the thread. What will inflation, wage growth, and the unemployment rate be when the "pivot" happens?
The FOMC is unanimous that it needs to keep rates high for a long time to beat inflation. This means making trillions of dollars evaporate. The dip in M2 is a start. The Fed kicks ass by maintaining full employment and price stability. Employment is very full and prices are very unstable. You're dreaming.

>>53229790
>He doesn’t know about the MLK Day Depression

>>53229807
wtf i want one

What's up with this soft landing talk
I was promised a crash, bulls fucking deserve it, and I NEED IT
Give me reasonable valuations or give me death

>>53229772
i'm not sure to be honest. if want my bear take on it

>700m long term debt
>supposed 23eh wont come until summer
>had to move miners from facility since one their creditors defaulted
>news has it that they're are selling some BTC to help silvergate

you can feel the tension in the air tonight

>>53229807
can he afford it? I thought he lost everything in the FTX crash

>>53229856
>soft landing

>>53229878
I'm not buying until I feel we're at that last explosion

>>53229874
>Drum solo from in the air tonight
>DO-DO DO-DO DO-DO

>>53229763
Buddy check out FUCK CARVANA computer

>>53229874
cpi and the banks about to give the markets a snuggle with a struggle

>feel a MOASS of all shitcos coming
>not sure what garbage to find
>remember ARKK exists
>a repository of some of the shittiest of cos
Based Cathy. Also time for TSLA calls.
Those who don't buy turds will be street that are designated for shitting.

>>53229878
i go soft all the time, i wonder if jerome is too. he needs to get hard like volker

I want to market to keep shitting itself so I can keep buying DOLE for ~$8.

>>53229468
This is what years of ZIRP and QE does to a mf

>>53229468
rip your future blown up account

Bulls,
How stupid are you?
The consensus tomorrow is 6.5. Even if it was 6, or let's say 5.5, you think the Fed is going to "pivot", and do what exactly? Slash rates back to zero and start printing? When is this pivot supposed to happen? What will inflation, wage growth, and the unemployment rate be when the "pivot" happens?
The FOMC is unanimous that it needs to keep rates high for a long time to beat inflation. This means making trillions of dollars evaporate. Are you trying to get Jerome to keep rates higher for longer, because this is how you make Jerome make rates higher for longer. The Fed kicks ass by maintaining full employment and price stability. Employment is very full and prices are very unstable. You're dreaming.

>>53229954
ngl I bought a whole heap of NEGG at 1.30.

Maybe my SOXL and UPRO calls are going to make some of the $ back that I lost trading SOXL. It's a cycle, isn't it? So take profits next time I reach 250k? Hahahaha
Also, can bitfarms go up to like .. $5?

>>53229973
ignore the month over month

>>53229973
Hey man it's super gay that you deleted and then reposted this but hey I guess you are a retarded slut of a bear

>>53229973
T minus 14 hours until bulls get what they fucking deserve

Is this bullish?

>>53229960
What the fuck is ZIRP and QE, more boboid conspiracy bullshit? Looks, here's the deal, we have been dumping for a year and therefore it's time to go back up. The market is more likely to pump after it dumps for awhile, I was a bobo queer 6 months ago but it's time for the bulls to take charge again. Bearish positions at this time are nothing more than pure greed.

>>53229960
>Everyone focused on CPI
>when the fed is evaporating $60 billions of dollars each month

>>53230005
>Hey man it's super gay that you deleted and then reposted

I know, I didn't read the post I wrote that to, that I was replying to very well. I thought he was bullish but he was bearish like me.
>>53230005
>I guess you are a retarded
Might be. Though please explain the pivot the and address my points.

>>53230034
I remember when anon said this in March.

>>53230034

>>53230034
>the market has never had 2 down years in a row before

>>53230044
>>when the fed is evaporating $60 billions of dollars each month

and even still, if the Fed stops doing that it will mean there is less money either way because inflation will have stopped. If inflation reverses (deflation) there will be less money for companies to earn either way.
Earnings = Stock valuations

>>53229837
unlike you, i will be right. line go up. what goes down, must come up. that's how the market has worked for 100 years. you will learn.

>>53230083
>bobo likes to deny reality
Ya, not surprised. Most of you bobos are also antisemitic and antivaxx conspiracy theorists too.

>>53229973
There doesnt need to be a pivot to get a pump. Plenty of money still out there. Plus bonds are starting to get rotated out into new ones at higher rates so fixed income is finally coming back a bit. As the year goes by bills and notes issued prior to fed hike can start to be rotated out.

Pic related, it's how /smg/ has felt for the last year

$2500 BBBY $80 calls and $1500 in commissions anon here
Today was good, but I am not selling yet.

>>53230083
>the market has never had 2 down years in a row before
Correct.

>ZOMG LE 1929!!!
Impossible to happen again. The FED has too many tools to prevent that. And they will.

>>53229479
>don't fight the fed

Even when they said inflation was transitory and they would hike twice by 25bps in 2022????????

You niggas trust this fed?

>>53230115
>Plenty of money still out there.
>There doesnt need to be a pivot to get a pump.

A simple question, please indulge me.
What do higher interest rates and the Fed selling off its balance sheet do to the money "out there"?

>>53230100
>unlike you, i will be right. line go up. what goes down, must come up.
how is that mentality working out for Natgaskeks

>>53230140
Bobos are fighting the Fed right now, bullchads are front running the pivot.

>futures

>>53229330
Just know that I'm always here to zoom things up

>>53230157
>Bobos are fighting the Fed right now, bullchads are front running the pivot.

>pivot
There's that word again.

I asked here
>>53229973
Maybe a bull can answer?

>the beat market is over because it just is ugh, ok, it’s just over

So this is the power of the bulls interesting

Listen you retard bears. The only thing that matters is that PMs and other asset managers are BALLS DEEP in long leverage. And if they were ever to blow up that would include pensions, endowments, etc. The mouth breathers are too big to ever fail and so they WILL be bailed out regardless of how smooth their brains are. The Fed WILL pivot and you will sneed and feed.
The MOASS shitco rally is going to be generationally face melting.

>>53230179
being a bear is gay now, so it is over

>>53230147
>What do higher interest rates and the Fed selling off its balance sheet do to the money "out there"?
Gives more money creation via the treasury. Fed is now paying out a pretty decent rate that makes it worth it.

Check bitcoin computer

>>53229795
was? who was she

>>53230194
>Gives more money creation via the treasury.

What?

>>53230179
Ya we're literally just going to ignore the Fed's jawboning and all the bullshit macro stuff you bobos talk about. We're just gonna buy LOL you can't do anything about it and SPY will never be below 400 ever again after this week.

>>53230199
some dumb literal who that posted on /b/ once in the early early days of 4chan

>>53230179
>>53230174
Bears like to make it a false dichotomy and say that the Fed isn't pivoting unless they slash rates to zero and crank the printers up to full throttle, but everyone else knows that a "pivot" is a pivot in tone more than policy. The market very clearly does not give a shit about on-paper policy, it just needs a majority of market participants to believe that the bad times are over. And the bad times are over.

tfw you realize QE was deflationary and QT won't impact the market

>>53230221
The treasury can make up money. They just create it. So if they spend at a deficient they can create money, when they issue treasuries where is that money coming from that pays out this year? Or did you think it was the banks only who had that neat trick? The treasury cant go bankrupt because it doesnt have positive or negative balance sheets.

>>53230230
so you are saying the fed can hike as high as they want as long as they are conciliatory about it?

>>53230196
how can this be happening?

>bitcoin fucking ripping day before CPI
Yep bears, I'm sure the epic crash is coming. Two more weeks!

>>53230245
Nobody actually understands QE btw. They dont actually know what it will do. But it was probably inflationary since the fed is buying bonds with made up money, it hands made up money straight to federal bank members. Its like free money hack. But QT wont because its not really QT. The fed is still buying bonds I think, they just slowed down and will let old ones reach maturity and die off.

>>53230230
>it just needs a majority of market participants to believe that the bad times are over. And the bad times are over.

Who is "it"? The Fed?
This is a wishy washy post.
When the Fed is selling off its balance sheet and interest rates are 5% or more there are trillions of dollars being drained from the economy. Eaten by the debt in all sectors. I don't know if you know what money is. I don't know what you're talking about with on-paper and belief. Talk like a grown man. You bulls don't seem to have a grasp of the mechanics.

>>53230250
>The treasury can make up money. They just create it.

No they don't. Only the Federal Reserve, banks, and other central banks create money.

>>53230276
Fed balance sheet has shrunk by 400 billion already and they began in june?

>>53230284
>there are trillions of dollars being drained from the economy
And again I point you to the trillions of dollars being legislated into existence by congressional spending bills, which largely ends up in the hands of US businesses. It's not a coincidence that we went from billion-dollar spending packages to trillion-dollar spending packages in the last three years.

I am the Fed. AMA

i bought 19,000 dollars of SOXL at close.

We are going to rally so hard tomorrow

>>53230303
>Only the Federal Reserve, banks, and other central banks create money.
>The U.S. Federal Reserve controls the supply of money in the U.S., and when it expands that supply it is often described as "printing money."
The job of actually printing currency bills belongs to the Treasury Department's Bureau of Engraving and Printing, but the Fed determines exactly how many new bills are printed each year.

Listen man, try not to let meme ideological politics shape how you think business is done. The treasury can create money. Quite literally allowed to print dollar bills and issue money.

>>53230257
you are saying like it did not rally the same amount last month and then proceeded to crash straight back down

>>53230307
Looks like they did stop...not sure now. But QT can be both continued purchasing at precovid levels or full stop. Both can have a run off of current bonds and just letting the total balance come down. But maybe they did fully stop.

>>53230328
oh shit

>>53230328
Could be damage control

>>53230330
lmao.
>the Fed determines exactly how many new bills are printed each year
>The treasury can create money
the sidewalk is wet

>>53230379
You are being obtuse on purpose. The fed can ask the treasury to create money but the treasury can do it even if the fed doesnt ask. Thats what they do every year there is a deficient in the federal budget.

>>53230330
>Quite literally allowed to print dollar bills and issue money.

That's not where the dollars come from. We have a fractional reserve monetary system. Most of the dollars are created by the banks. When they make a loan the money is counterfeited and loaned with interest. The next entity that makes dollars is the Federal Reserve, which the banks own and the old money families and Jews control.
You can argue the government "creates" money like anyone else creates something of value, like iPhones or FTX tokens, but the control of units of USD are controlled by the banking system. The US government's debt is valuable and it can finance the debt because the US is still sitting on the spoils of WWII, but that's a can of worms.
>>53230318
>trillions of dollars being legislated into existence
See above.

>>53230334
>rips because of a short squeeze
>this time it staircases up over months then rips higher
Learn to read a chart, retard bear. Pro tip: It's a sign of things to come for stocks.

>>53230322
>soxl dumps to 8 bucks
>pumps to near 13
>"I boughted"
Why?

>>53229763
Without purchasing shorts directly, the only real way to benefit would be opening a long position in CVNA's direct competitor, KMX- Carmax and hope the free market share increase for KMX transfers over to its stock price.
***HOWEVER***
I would not recommend taking a long position in KMX, as they are in a similar situation to CVNA. Increasing liabilities, ballooning debt, and raising interest on said debt all while owning quickly depreciating assets purchased on credit at exorbitant prices. It is widely known in the car industry that KMX was sold/purchased the absolute worst cars.
-full disclosure- I hold short positions for both companies, with 4 & 6 months to X

>>53230083
It hasn’t.

In the age of modern monetary theory the 2022 bear market was akin to the Great Depression. With blank checks from the government, the algos of a couple banks setting the price for the assets they themselves own and the FED backstopping it all every day is a buying opportunity because it’s 100% guaranteed that in just five years time the indexes will be extraordinarily higher than they are now.

One can get caught up in the day to day, week to week and month to month gyrations but it’s an indisputable fact that over time the line goes up as sure as it goes to the right.

>>53230424
because it triggered my buy signal

>>53230404
The dollar isn't going anywhere so long as the proof-of-violence that backs it is stronger than any other violence. Period.

You know what this market is missing? Fear. Pure unadulterated fear. Have fun!
https://youtu.be/0g2OB-y8bW4

>>53230438
Your buy signal is buying after a 50% pump?

>>53230433
We have so much farther to fall ffs

>>53230437
>US military hitting all time lows in recruitment
Brb going to /pmg/ to pick up a kruger or two.

>>53230457
whoa you convinced me

>>53230437
>The dollar isn't going anywhere

I didn't say is was. The Federal Reserve is selling off its balance sheet and keeping interest rates near 5%. This makes dollars more valuable because this evaporates dollars. The less dollars there are the more valuable there are. Supply and demand.
The less dollars there are the less dollars there are relative to stocks. Also, the less dollars there are the less dollars these companies can earn.

>>53230450
yes.

>>53230404
>That's not where the dollars come from
>The basic functions of the Department of the Treasury mainly include:[20]
>Producing all currency and coinage of the U.S.
I understand what fractional reserve banking is. But you need to realize its not just banks doing it. The federal reserve and the government are one and the same but different legal entities. You could get rid of every bank tomorrow and the government via the treasury could still print money and issue new money. They can also change the pegs of currencies in ratio to one another, issue new coins, issue new everything.

>>53230399
>the treasury prints more hard currency when there is a deficit
what the fuck are you smoking

>>53230328
>>53230367
>>53230368
>CPI lower than expected
>Biden is coming out to take credit
Holy shit I should have bought more Tesla calls.

>>53230257
>2 weeks of red at the end of december
>bears: IT'S GOING DOWN, FOREVER
>2 weeks of green at the beginning of january
>bulls: IT'S GOING UP, FOREVER
This thread is fucking cancer.

>>53230486
>the federal reserve and the government are one and the same
again, what the fuck are you smoking

>>53230484
And I understand that and it's good that they actually try to keep things under control. I'm just pointing out the dollar isn't going anywhere and most certainly isn't about to hyperinflate weimar style. That is copium.

>>53230486
jews killed too many people to create the federal reserve for you to say it's part of the government.

>>53229328
the bears are having their winter nap. even my brazil stocks are green

>>53230486
>government via the treasury could still print money and issue new money

The fuck it can, junior. Why would it be paying hundreds of billions of dollars in interest on its debt if it could print? Why tax?
Go watch some documentaries from the 00s about the Federal Reserve. Mike Maloney or Money Masters. It is redundant for me to argue with your case of Dunning Kruger.

>>53230448
I still like Killers from the Northside the most

>>53230494
nvm looks like he speaks every month, could be anything

>>53230548
Could be announcing alien life

>>53230430
I’m losing money on my KMX spread

I meant more like what puts/spreads are the best bets to limit risk and avoid the squeeze. I don’t feel safe from the squeeze.

>>53230484
>This makes dollars more valuable because this evaporates dollars.
I dont think a high interest rate evaporates dollars. It just lowers the speed of it entering the market. Turn the faucet off or on but cant drain the water in the sink until you take out the sink stopper.
>>53230510
Literally created by congress and governors are appointed by congress. Member banks in the fed are regional banks in the country. They cant ignore the laws of congress and dont go over it.
>>53230529
It was created in 1913, America was still white at that time.
>>53230538
>of dollars in interest on its debt if it could print? Why tax?
Because in our modern financial system debt is a positive thing and not a problem. The national debt isnt a problem.

>>53230457
Could we theoretically make new lows? Of course. Also theoretically aliens could invade tomorrow and have the entire earth enslaved EOM. Theoretically the rapture could happen in the next five minutes. Theoretically we could be hit with a civilization ending asteroid that nobody has seen coming yet by the end of the year.

Lots of shit COULD happen but what we know will absolutely without a doubt happen is that stocks will go higher over time. How high? Infinity. When will SPY trade past 400? Tomorrow. What will SPY be by EOY? Higher than it is now. These are the things we know for sure.

Will the market go up on the CPI tomorrow; it’s practically guaranteed. How high will SPY go before the next dip? Nobody knows. Will it dip back below 380? Probably not. Will it make new lows. Almost certainly not.

Place your bets.

>>53230538
no don't you see, the treasury is the one who does the printing
it doesn't matter that the Fed directs every single aspect of the printing
similar to me paying you to murder someone
I'm not the one who murdered him, you did it!
semantics are fun!

>>53230548
> BIDEN TO DELIVER REMARKS ON THE ECONOMY AND HIS EFFORTS TO TACKLE INFLATION
It's quite literally on inflation. Going to be the most insane face ripping rally tomorrow.

my asshole hurts

>>53230540
For you. With love.
https://youtu.be/DK6IRG4CAbw

Joe biden is gonna kill the markets and that's a good thing.

>>53230576
>it's created by congress, therefore it and the government are one and the same!
>they're regional banks, that makes them the same thing as the government!
>they can't murder someone and get away with it, that makes them the same as the government!
wat the fuck are you smoking
the Fed is not part of the government
the (private) owners of the Fed receive 6% interest a year, as a debt slave tax
the only thing that binds the Fed from congress is the dual mandate
that's it
>he doesn't know about the Fed's secret balance sheet

>>53230611
I actually just went and listened to it. Now I'm back to trance
https://youtu.be/DpZ8kkECuaA

>>53230600
Yes, but the tweet made it sound like something special, he does this after literally every inflation print

>>53230328
lmao, IV is so high right now on spx dailies

>>53230631
He's gonna continue SPR releases until its empty and inflation will be cured. God bless America

>>53230639
>the (private) owners of the Fed receive 6%
The private owners are other regional banks retard.

>>53230631
>and that's a good thing.

Listen you fucks. BTC is over 18k. BTC miners are gonna rally tomorrow. GRAB ANY miner for easy green profit.

>>53230562

You'll cowards

>>53230368
The government already knows the data, Biden is obviously coming out to take a victory lap.

SPY will have one of its largest single day rallies in history tomorrow. Will probably close the day up 5% tomorrow.

Screen cap this post.

>>53230679
read this.
https://www.institutionalinvestor.com/article/b1kh4p10qysrhv/Conspiracy-Theorists-Ask-Who-Owns-the-New-York-Fed-Here-s-the-Answer
it is not part of the government.
it is privately owned by banks like Citi, JPM, Morgan Stanley.

>>53230701
I have 20k bitfarm shares down 40%...

I hate women and my asshole hurts

>>53230576
>I dont think a high interest rate evaporates dollars.

It does.

>>53230576
>Because in our modern financial system debt is a positive

Sigh.
I'll give one more attempt at this and then I'm really done.
Imagine you and I are on a desert island and are given each 100 tokens by an alien. The alien says we have to repay these 100 tokens with 5% interest. In other words, you have to pay him back 105 tokens. I have to pay him back 105 tokens. The alien created 200 tokens but the alien is owed 210 tokens. The alien never created those extra 10 tokens.
In order for me to repay 105 tokens I can only get the extra 5 tokens from your 100 and you can only get your 5 tokens in interest payments out of my 100 tokens. Get it?
I have to provide a product or service to you to get those 5 tokens. Maybe I swindle you, maybe I create a government and tax you. Whatever it is. I need those 5 tokens or I default.

>What happens if the interest rate is -5%?
>What happens if the interest rate is 0?
>What happens if the interest rate is 25%?

This is how the economy works. The alien is the banking system and the Federal Reserve, which the banks own.

>>53230755
buy more

>>53230733
You might be right but I feel the market priced in a good print already

>>53230679
>The private owners are other regional banks retard.

>>53230529
>>53230576
4/10/1912 guess who was on the sister ship?
>titanic

>>53230736
>>53230679
Who bailed out all of these big banks when they failed in 2008?

>>53230736
>it is privately owned by banks like Citi, JPM, Morgan Stanley.
You are so retarded im amazed. I said the banks, fed and treasury are one and the same and you got butthurt over it. Banks ask the fed for money and are required to have deposits there. The fed wants to control policy so asks the treasury to print a certain amount. The fed then issues the money to the regional fed banks, who all have ownership by local banks based on their size of assets. Again you didnt figure out anything here. The banks and government are one and the same. Its all a giant chain.
>>53230763
>but the alien is owed 210 tokens
So by putting rates to 5% the alien created 10 additional tokens in the economy? So it created money? Thank you for agreeing with me.

nasdaq looks like bottoming or going sideways at least.

could be just fake till another downward step but so far looks the best since the drop started last year.

>>53229134
Sweet another laugh at bobo tread.

>>53230568
55-75 is the channel KMX has been working since October. Don't be afraid to close a looser and open a new position. KMX isnt really squeezing, 13% short float is nothing. They're merely benefiting from CVNA loss of marketshare among other more esoteric factors.
Remember, last year these were both triple digit share prices. We're witnessing the thrashing of two dying fish. Ones a small trout with no fight and a pickleball league, the other is a marlin that just got brought boatside. Both fish are already dead, even if they don't know it.

>>53230804
>>53230783
>>53230770
>Any state-chartered bank (mutual or stock-formed) may become a member of the Federal Reserve System. The twelve regional Reserve Banks supervise state member banks
Not that complicated frens. Some of you retards still dont realize the US was always a merchant republic. Government is just a corporation of various business representatives.

>>53230783
Who?

>>53230824
I was referring to CVNA squeezing

Biden is going to shid tomorrow and talk about children touching his hair legs. Bullish for mining stocks

>>53230832
the men that opposed the federal reserve drowned that night, those in favor survived on the sister ship

When do we get the 500 million dead chinks we have been promised for years now?

>>53230808
>So by putting rates to 5% the alien created 10 additional tokens in the economy?

No. The opposite. The interest is a vacuum that sucks up and destroys money.

>>53230825
The US is a constitutional republic with democratically elected representatives. So yes, functionally it is just a corporation of various business representatives but in actuality the point was a bunch of people got together and made a codified constitution and later bill of rights because they figured out having the greatest country on earth was good for business. Start fucking shit up and it threatens the bottom line. Capitalism won because it incentivizes shit being best for as many people as possible in accordance with their ability rather than need, those corporations and businesses are beholden to the people they bought the right to govern and having a shitty state of affairs means less iphones and GPU's and new cars and cattlekibble going out the drive thru window. Eventually the ship rights itself to that no longer being the case, and it is going to be very fucking funny watching globalism die in the near term. The corpos are your friend numbnuts. Whether they want to be or not.

>>53230816
now i dont care one way or another but didnt bobo win like all last year? i mean the s and p is still below 4000. i dont think i can safely laugh at bobo until a rally can be sustained for a month without promptly shitting itself

>>53230808
The Fed is not the same as the government.
You have claimed that repeatedly during this discussion.
Just because they were issued a charter by the government does not make them the same as the government.
The treasury is not in charge of the currency - yes - they print it - but they are not in charge.
You tried to argue that the Fed was owned by the regional banks, that this made it the same as the government - I just showed you, definitively, that the regional banks are owned privately by big banks.
It is not part of the government.
Does the Fed command the treasury what to do? Yes.
Saying that because the Fed controls the treasury that this means they are one and the same is fucking retarded
You are trying to win this stupid semantics argument, when you're wrong in all regards.

does someone here have that comic about two econ pundits paying each other to eat shit? I never thought there would be a situation where it would unironically be needed.

>>53230910
It's just pilpul duder. You don't have to tell retards they're being retards, you can just mute them and wait for life to deal with it.

>>53230714
Wtf is this real?

Reminder JPowell gets pissed when the markets pump irrationally like this. Tomorrow will be bad.

>>53230910
>You are trying to win this stupid semantics argument, when you're wrong in all regards.
Again you are wrong. Stop reading so many schizo books. The fed doesnt command the treasury. The treasury and fed are on the same team. And yes the fed is both part of the government and an independent entity. Its beholden to congress. Full stop. Potus can fire the chairman at any time. You are spouting GME tier of schizo financial info.
>>53230903
Yeah I pretty much agree. The founders were all small business men and traders. It makes sense the spirit of this country has always been commerce. The commies always struggle to grasp that no one wants to die for their workers revolution.

>>53230927

>>53230963
you said that yesterday

>>53230963
He's just mad because he isn't finished buying back in yet.

>>53230869
Literally all Chinamen got sick two weeks ago. Now that they're better (minus 1 or 2 million dead) they're busy spending yuan on crude, chemicals, and copper.

>This time is different

Mumus actually believe this.
What’s different this time, bulls?

Where would you invest, if forced to invest outside the US?

>>53230984
Thank you.

Today is my absolute first time doing options and I’m already down $40. I have a couple other positions with this stock, totaling $1500 because I’m a poorfag. But this stock has rocketed back up in AH so will tomorrow be good to me? Or am I retarded?

>>53230968
>Potus can fire the chairman at any time.
And here we see anon perform the poli sci 101 mistake of confusing *statutory* power for *actual* power.

>>53230963
jerome isn't speaking tommorow

>>53230987
>you said that yesterday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjsMnvqL7eY

Could /smg/ have pulled this move off?
https://files.catbox.moe/crhner.mp4

>>53231018
you're good just don't forget to take profit and sell before expiration, never lower your average on an option contract this isn't common stock.

>>53231018
you're fine. mara will rally along with the other miners tomorrow as long as it stays 18k+

>>53231034
haven't heard this song in 20 years, but somehow i will sing along to it right now

Window jumpers. Nor joking. In the double digits. Hope none of you are one of them but if thats the case, so be it.
https://youtu.be/q6GyTBVAF4w

>>53230968
the only thing that the Fed is beholden to congress is the dual mandate, which isn't even defined - it is just stable inflation and maximum employment - the Fed is free to interpret these as they want, there is no strict 2% inflation or 5% unemployment, these are just how the Fed has chosen to interpret the terms
that is it
>Potus can fire the chairman at any time.
jesus christ. you are spreading so much false information it's fucking ridiculous.
The chairman of the Fed cannot be removed before their term is over unless they did something like commit a murder
Yes, they are appointed by the president - but they cannot be fired by the President, nor can they just be fired "at any time" even by Congress
You are retarded. You are wrong.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/29/trump-cannot-fire-federal-reserve-chair-jerome-powell-morgan-stanley.html
>The President can nominate a chair but once the chair is confirmed, the president is out of it and the only way you can remove a chair from office is literally if they broke the law. Congress will have to find a cause to remove them from office through a vote and a procedure

>>53231005
Brazil, they have reached their low for now and far more likely to go up than down, you already missed the best entry point though

The treasury doesn't really print that much cash money anymore. These days everything is done by a computer. If Central computer says; govt coffers has 5 trillion extra bucks then hey that's what's there and then it gets sent out via EFT to banks,etc. By the same token some dude (or dudes) can also tell Central computer; whoops we blew 3 trillion on new toilet seats then honestly that's what happened cause the computer don't care. (by the by "toilet seats" above is key word for getting rid of some of that extra money and doing it easy like; you want to balance the ledger, you simply create some expense outta the blue to make the books even).

>>53231056
>>53231061
Thanks I’m feeling better now. Is it worth setting a limit order? Or can that get fucked with? I’m not going to get greedy, just want to make $400 so I can buy my wife a camera

>>53229982

imagine that you're on a sinking cruise ship in the Atlantic ocean
everyone knows that the ship is sinking
everyone panics and rushes to the top deck
the ship has filled up with water only on the left side,
which makes the ship tilt to an extreme degree
everyone visually sees the tilt above deck, making them panic more
a hatch breaks below deck, allowing water to flood into the right side
the ship now is filled with water on both sides below deck
it is no longer tilted - the ship is completely flat
everyone on the top deck celebrates - the ship is no longer sinking!
they take off their life jackets, and return to their cabins to go to sleep
the ship sinks
everyone who returned to their cabins dies

this is the current state of the market, with the weak data published last week filling the "unbalanced side"
we are no longer ‘tilting’
but we are still ‘sinking’
there is still ‘water pouring in below decks’
it is just harder to see
do not celebrate that the ship is now ‘flat’,
when the ship is ‘flat’ for bad, rapidly weakening economy reasons
>Q4 ’22 & Q1 ‘23earnings
>5.4% terminal rate
>all time high debt
>layoffs exponentially increasing
>loan delinquencies sharply rising
>economic activity falling off a cliff
>”Business activity orders measures drop most since April 2020”
>orders measures drop most since April 2020
>orders measures drop most since April 2020
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-06/us-services-gauge-shrinks-unexpectedly-in-worst-slide-since-2020
https://archive.. ph/PdYbQ
we are still taking on water
do not return to your cabin
do not listen to the propaganda ministry telling you to buy
do not allow funds to use you as exit liquidity before the next leg down
>HURRAY, THE SHIP IS FLAT!
>IT’S NO LONGER SINKING!
>I’M RETURNING TO MY ROOM TO GO TO SLEEP!!
don’t be a fucking retard
don’t follow the 1st class passengers back to their cabins
just because the ship is flat doesn’t mean it isn’t taking on water

>>53230844
That makes more sense, I was pretty confused.
CVNA is not in a short squeeze either, 26.55% short float. Cant see this hopium pop lasting past monday, likely will crash back down to the ~$3 range by Friday. I would be amazed to see 10%. Likely $7.50 as an absolute top.
Shorts have not needed to cover, most shorts are held by institutions and have already raked in hundreds of millions. No one is getting margin called on a $3 to $7.50 pump with a stock thats lost 10x its current value in ~8 months.

>>53231096
if you have to ask basics on 4chan of all places get ready to lose that money

>>53231146
>reported short interest
Yeah like I said earlier sometimes it's just easier to wait for life to deal with people for being retards than try to explain to them why they're retarded. Willful ignorance is a form of evil just as much as it is stupid.

>futures

This "premium bond" gimmick to get around the debt ceiling is simultaneously the most Jewish and the most third world thing I have ever read about.

Hello /smg/ team,

I hope this post finds you all well and ready for some exciting news from your beloved CEO. As you know, we at /smg/ are always looking for ways to improve our bottom line and stay ahead of the competition. In that vein, I'm thrilled to announce that we will be undergoing a major restructuring in the coming weeks.

As part of this restructuring, we will unfortunately be saying goodbye to some of our valued posters. But don't worry, this is only temporary and we will be sure to find them new and exciting opportunities outside of /smg/.

In all seriousness, layoffs are never an easy decision but we are doing what we must in order to ensure the long-term success of the company. We will be providing severance packages and outplacement services to those affected, and I encourage everyone to support each other during this time.

In the meantime, let's all focus on working together to drive the business forward and come out of this restructuring even stronger.

Do you think Disney will dip significantly again? Their lineup for the next few months looks horrible.

>>53231222
Boomers will eat it up

>>53229705
>don't bet on the apocalypse
You don't tell me what to do

>>53231087
>you already missed the best entry point though
I bought PBR-A at $8, but yeah I probably missed the bottom if I want to add anything else.
I'm not thinking specifically about quick swings though. More of a general contemplation of which countries/sectors could be good to camp some passive money into for a longer time frame.

>>53231248
i tried to get laid off for the severance package but they said no.

>>53231253

What line up? Don't they just make starwars shows and disabled LGBTQ content?

>>53231248
I told you for years, YEARS, you were paying the janitorial staff too much.

>>53231137
Tldr

>>53231248
oh

>>53229874
Someone, somewhere is looking at the numbers and say "oh no no no no no..."

>>53229959
Funny. I was just looking at DOLE last night. Why do you like it so much ?

>>53231005
Maybe Chile or Argentina, mineral heavy economies should do well for a bit.

>>53231248
I dont want to partake in idle gossip, but... Is cokeboomer's parking space spoken for?

>>53230179
That's how you know we have a long way to go

>he hasn't invested in OTLY
Ngmi

>>53231285
Fuck you.

>>53231180
Please get back to your containment board. Everything isnt a GME 2.0 in the making.
>/wsb/ really believes short squeezes happen to every shorted stock
Even at a 50% short float, no one is forced to cover. What part of deep ITM do you not understand? Any of it? a 25% pump is not going to trigger margin calls and force covering on a stock that has lost 1000% of its value in less than a year.
There is no saving race, no magical Shabbos Cohen coming to the rescue at the 9th hour, just a dying company and some banks that have made a killing shorting a years long bubble built on a practice that was utterly taboo 15 years ago (buying a car sight unseen).
I cant stop you from buying shares at irresponsibly high prices, I honestly hope you do so you learn your lesson.
>Diamond emoji rocketship rocketship ape sticker
Pic related, a CVNA car as it was purchased by the company.

>>53231357
only has sales in January from new years losers.

>>53231357
Seed oils. Seems unethical, there's more ethical companies which are better for your health than seed oils, such as tobacco companies?

>>53231380
There's no seed oils in the low fat one

>>53231330
I'm curious whether Argentina will actually manage to push out their liberal leadership in the elections later this year.
Last I checked on Chile, they were trying to tax away all the profits of their miners.

>>53231306
someone post the jim cramer nervous image

>>53231248
I quit.

>No, it's not transitive
>No, Jerome won't pivot
>No, inflation "cooling" a little bit but still being very high doesn't mean it's over
>No, there's no santa rally
>No, there's no "soft landing"
>No, rates aren't getting cut before 2024 at the very least
>No, you can't skip a recession by changing the definition or claiming it already happened
>No, the Fed isn't going to bail you out with the money printer this time
>No, Ukraine isn't winning
>No, there isn't more than two genders
Any questions, libtards? Stop trying to weasel your way out of every single fucking consequence and take it like a man.

>>53231411
Then you get no severance or unemployment

>>53231363
>deep itm
I did not understand the magic of compounding in reverse until I shorted Carvana
Your bet gets smaller as it becomes more profitable

The rate hikes will not stop until 2026.

Bitcoin Computer bros...

>>53231433
The banks already said there’s nothing happening, Mr.Mason. I was a Bobo and still cashgang, but I feel like a retard now. I was waiting for a big crash, but big boys were buying and I was hoodwinked. Now I missed the bottom by a mile. Pretty bummed about it, desu.

>>53231411
You cant quit, the state needs someone to go to the roof and look into the fire.

>>53231464
>Central bank reports 142 billion dollar loss
>Nothing happening
Go to sleep Joe Biden

Thank you Mr.President for saving the economy

>>53230535
>even my brazil stocks are green
Based

>>53231400
That libertarian guy is good but he hasno chance

>>53229671
>J-just one more month! Trust the p-plan!

now that situation has degenerated to the point where I can hardly convert my money into a glass of clean water.

>>53231470
>His portfolio's down 3.6%?

>>53231474
I’m more right wing than you can imagine. Politics has nothing to do with what I see now. Bottom was October. I fucked up.

>>53231410

>>53231502
>NU

You haven't seen nothing yet

>>53231507
this is you

>>53229468
Ive never been so bearish in my entire fucking life as i am after reading this post

>>53231499
Yes, one more month. Glad we're on the same page.

>>53231535
I wish you were right. I’m still all cash and won’t buy now because I’m convinced I missed it.

>>53230927
>never thought there would be a situation where it would unironically be needed.
I use it AT LEAST 5x per month

>>53231548
Bottom is in 6 months.

>>53231519
this doesn't make sense since Q4 expectations are higher than Q3 on yahoo.

>>53231539
Nice threads, white man.

>>53231519
Cramer is bullish on Wells Frago and Morgan Stanley

>>53229298

>>53230328
I don't care what they say.

My cost basis for eggs is $6/dozen.

>>53230230
So then why dont we just jam interest rates to 50%? Savers win, stock traders win.

>>53231571
Yeah, but eggs are only, what, 5% or 10% of the CPI?

New
>>53231582

>>53231582

>>53231582

>>53231453
>This man gets it
That's also what makes KMX an attractive short on a 6-12mo timeline. Down around 50% from ATH in '21.
CVNA is the canary in the coalmine for the used car industry.
BBBY baggies simply cant understand the difference in shorting a rapid collapse compared to a slow agonizing death.
>You'd have to travel to 2015 to see BBBY prices where CVNA was less than 6 months ago

>>53229634
Mr partner with me, by sending me Paypal monies