/biz/ - Business & Finance

First for anime.

Your existence is antisemetic.
>and banks will be red on Friday

Threadly reminder that dividends are irrelevant. If you want a bit of cash from your stocks, you can sell some.

>perform hours of due diligence on a company
>determine it’s a good investment
Here the part where I’m confused. Do you start DCAing every dollar you have into the company? In order to “make it” you would need to be putting in 6 figures. Catching a 5 bagger with $1000 isn’t worth the time you spend researching. Even then these plays run on a timeline of years to truly be successful. The only way it seems this would pay off in the long run is if you stumbled onto the next Amazon and got in early with significant capital. So what am I missing here?

I'VE BEEN BOGLE'D

>he tried to time the market

Heemed?

>>53203313
I don't time the market...
The market times me!

imagine that you're on a sinking cruise ship in the Atlantic ocean
everyone knows that the ship is sinking
everyone panics and rushes to the top deck
the ship has filled up with water only on the left side,
which makes the ship tilt to an extreme degree
everyone visually sees the tilt above deck, making them panic more
a hatch breaks below deck, allowing water to flood into the right side
the ship now is filled with water on both sides below deck
it is no longer tilted - the ship is completely flat
everyone on the top deck celebrates - the ship is no longer sinking!
they take off their life jackets, and return to their cabins to go to sleep
the ship sinks
everyone who returned to their cabins dies

this is the current state of the market, with the weak data published last week filling the "unbalanced side"
we are no longer ‘tilting’
but we are still ‘sinking’
there is still ‘water pouring in below decks’
it is just harder to see
do not celebrate that the ship is now ‘flat’,
when the ship is ‘flat’ for bad, rapidly weakening economy reasons
>Q4 ’22 & Q1 ‘23earnings
>5.4% terminal rate
>all time high debt
>layoffs exponentially increasing
>loan delinquencies sharply rising
>economic activity falling off a cliff
>”Business activity, orders measures drop most since April 2020”
>orders measures drop most since April 2020
>orders measures drop most since April 2020
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-06/us-services-gauge-shrinks-unexpectedly-in-worst-slide-since-2020
https://archive.. ph/PdYbQ
we are still taking on water
do not return to your cabin
do not listen to the propaganda ministry telling you to buy
do not allow funds to use you as exit liquidity before the next leg down
>HURRAY, THE SHIP IS FLAT!!!
>IT’S NO LONGER SINKING!!!
>I’M RETURNING TO MY ROOM TO GO TO SLEEP!!!
don’t be that guy /smg/
don’t be a fucking retard
don’t follow the 1st class passengers back to their cabins
just because the ship is flat doesn’t mean it isn’t taking on water

>>53203371
You think the ship is sinking, but actually they've plugged the leak. It's leveling out as they drain what little water remains below deck. Soon enough it'll be back to smooth sailing.

>>53203371
pic related is unironically literally why we rallied since the end of last week
the market is seeing the economy absolutely shit the bed and thinks it is bullish, as it will force the Fed to back off
this isn't going to happen - the Fed isn't going to back off
the Fed doesn't want to be known for causing 70s era inflation, where they ease prematurely and cause inflation to roar up again
bad news is bad news
if you see pic related and don't think anything other than shit is hitting the fan, that we're crashing in economic activity similar to the covid crash, without the Fed to bail us out, I don't know what to tell you

Reminder to choose hobbies that befit your net worth and income.

>>53203319
right on brother.

>>53203292
unless you are a chartered accountant your hours of due diligence barely means shit. any decent accounting firm for a publicly traded company knows how to hide expenses in an earning sheet within the rules of gaap. they know when to delay key expenses and how to make the companys finances appear stronger on paper.

>>53203394
Why isn't the stock market listed as a hobby :(

>>53203390
two more weeks!

>>53203385
no
and you will cause other passengers to return to their cabin, to die
it doesn't make any sense to return to your cabin to go to sleep
stay above deck, make sure the coast is clear - it isn't
monetary policy lags by 12-24 months
we are just now seeing it hit the economy and hit it very fucking hard

>>53203411
it is, its called gambling

>>53203418
>>53203390
>>53203371
look at all these doomer posts all the same guy, pretty pathetic desu.

T may have bungled Warner but I'll forever give them praise for not gutting the company and selling it in pieces. WBD - The "restructuring" is over. No asset sales (thank god!). Now it's time to return to the glory days of yore before T entered the picture. (and WBD ; aka Time Warner was going for 90+ a share). GE has died (Culp you bastard) but Warner,Disney,CMCSA,etc all live on forever more bringing me profit and divvy.

>>53203424
what the fuck do you mean lmao
I'm not pretending to be multiple people, it's the same ID numb nuts, anyone can tell
it's not doomer shit
it is genuinely trying to warn /smg/ of the danger out there
we are rallying because the market thinks that bad news is good news
it isn't - the Fed isn't backing down
Daly and Bostic both doubled down on this today, which is why we went from big rally across the board to red

is booking passage on a cargo ship as bad an idea as it sounds?

You didn't try and time the market, did you, anon?

>>53203411
It's on there, near the bottom
>Attending gambling establishments

Any way to screen stocks on TradingView for earliest available price data?

For example: "List all stocks with pre-1970 price data"

>>53203278
I sold everything got $3k profit
Cash gang till start of 2nd Q hopefully or its the September sale

>>53203426
make good DC movies
make a decent streaming service with all their legacy properties
WBD
WBD
WBD
That's all folks!

>>53203278
not really because technically you are selling stock and losing % ownership in the company. while if you are taking dividends you can buy more stock in that company and grow you % ownership

>>53203436
You make a whole post comparing the stock market to the titanic, how is that not sensationalist posting? You clearly are using emotions to try and convince people of your logic, its ridiculous.

>futures

Did CPI get leaked out already?

>>53203474
Yes.

https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1612652034037006336

shorted natty gas because /smg/ is bullish. ez clap

>>53203394
Surprising to see that running is the wealthiest hobby there is.
A hobby that literally costs nothing.

Yoga for women too. Just goes to show that anyone can become rich if they put in even the bare minimum of effort.
But instead, they're all just glued to the television (or their phones).

>>53203483
only -0.06 and markets are shitting already?

>>53203455
>make good DC movies
Joker got pregnant in the most recent comic

>>53203462
I am trying to get through to people, so they understand the dynamic that is going on
it is the same parallel
a ship that is sinking will tilt horribly - people see that it is tiling and they panic
when the water fills the other side of the ship and balances it out, people stop panicking and become complacent
when the market is crashing sharply, people panic, and accept that the market is going lower
when the market rallies, like it did today, people can falsely think that the bear market is over, and will reinvest prematurely
similar to someone on a sinking ship seeing the ship is now flat, not realizing it's because the other side of the ship is now flooded
they return to their room early - just like people invest too early, not realizing the danger / reason for the rally
we rallied because of this
>>53203390
the market sees this terrible economic news, matching the retraction in economic activity that we saw during covid lockdowns, and thinks that this is bullish
it is bad news - just like the water flooding the other side of the ship
it appears to be good news, because the market is rallying - it appears to be good, as the ship becomes level again
but in reality underneath the surface, shit is getting bad

I really don't know how anyone can be bearish going into 2023. Let's go through some hard data:

>sold off all of 2022, meaning statistically we will rally this year
>inflation peaked and on a massive decline
>FED will be forced to pivot THIS YEAR
>economy is still roaring even through the rate hikes

We're going to see new ATH this year probably.

>>53203492
>A hobby that literally costs nothing.
Allow me to introduce you to my friends running shoes and race fees.

>>53203515
Higher
For
Longer
Nigger

>>53203515
>Fed will be forced to pivot
>economy is roaring
How do you not see the contradiction here? If the economy is roaring then the Fed doesn't need to pivot. The Fed will pivot when the economy breaks, which means stocks will crash.

>>53203536
The Fed and its doves have political cover to hike (or even just stay elevated) so long as inflation is high.

Anything else - unemployed negresses, national debt interest costs strangling the budget, even Congressional donors who want better stock market returns - triggers cuts.

>>53203254
Newfag here.
What are the best dividend stocks?

>>53203492
Amount of people you see running for fun/exercise in a neighborhood or nearby park is directly related to how nice the area is

>>53203558
SPAXX

>>53203558
Those are a meme. You want "value stocks". See >>53203278

They straight up just aren't going to refill the SPR. I guess they are going to continue releases this month.

>>53203505
Tl;dr

>>53203558
DIVO
DIVB
SCHD
SPHD
VIG
VIGI
VYM
VYMI
split equally. Thx me later

>>53203515
point by point
>sold off all of 2022, meaning statistically we will rally this year
statistically, after a terrible year like we had, more often than not, we do rally in the following year. however, in any of the instances in the past where we have had a similarly terrible year and it didn't rally in the new year / the following year was bad, it was the worst years / crash period in market history
so it's either we rally a little bit, or we completely flush down - it is not clear cut "oh stats say we rally" when it could be a 2008/2009 repeat
>inflation peaked and on a massive decline
services inflation, core inflation, wage inflation, all the parts of inflation that the Fed cares about are remaining sticky
the only real parts of inflation that we have made progress on are energy and food
the Fed doesn't (really) care about energy and food inflation
today both Fed presidents talked about this, again
and if the Fed were to ease policy, energy and food inflation would both surge higher rapidly
>FED will be forced to pivot THIS YEAR
they might - but you need to realize that they will only pivot this year if we go into a total economic collapse. this is like rooting for chemotherapy not realizing that it means you have cancer
the cancer will be worse than the chemo, even if the chemo will help
>economy is still roaring even through the rate hikes
it isn't. they lied. they lied about 1 million jobs. literally, 1 million jobs.
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2022/12/22/philadelphia-fed-suggests-bls-overstated-job-growth-in-second-quarter-by-a-million-jobs.html
look at this picture in this post
>>53203390
this is why we rallied, because the economy is weak, not because it is booming
not only weak, but weak to the levels of covid lockdowns - that fucking weak
the market sees the economy being this weak so sharply and suddenly as bullish - it isn't bullish
>We're going to see new ATH this year probably.
No. We are going lower.

>>53203521
You can run without dedicated shoes. Doesn't have to be part of a competition.
I would guess that the number of people racing competitively is a small subset of the people that claimed to run within those survey answers.

So, the Fed is going to pivot, which will cause us to "melt up". However, it will crush everyone with inflation and crash everything. Do I have this right?

>>53203499
uhhh no change is really bad so yeah

Who is Jack

>>53203461
being fine with share dilution is even worst than using dividends poorly. im not investing in a company to be their bank.

>>53203556
Yeah, and that's only gonna happen after stocks crash and the economy is in pain. Until then there's no justification to pivot. The Fed has explicitly stated that they will overtighten to avoid the danger of undertightening.

>>53203574
Note: Lots of the sale money got swiped in the latest scam omnibus, so at current prices they could only refill 70m barrels. That's in addition to congress cancelling the 2024 through 2027 mandated sales.

Also worth noting that this year's mandated sales are canceled out by a roughly even number of exchange barrels being returned.

Most likely the SPR's dead until Biden needs the pre-election dump next year. Only Xi is selling oil now.

>>53203593
>So, the Fed is going to pivot,
No, they just reiterated it again today, that they will not pivot until (probably) 2024
They have said over and over, at every opportunity, that they will not pivot prematurely, that there is great risk similar to the 1970s of pivoting prematurely, that if you pivot prematurely inflation roars up again, and then becomes entrenched
they have said it 100 times, not straying from this course, all of their action has reflected this
the market still does not believe them
you should believe them
members of the Fed care about their legacy
they are ashamed of their "transitory" debacle, and do not want to be remembered for the next 1,000 years as the ones who failed so horribly in monetary policy to cause another 70s era inflation period
>However, it will crush everyone with inflation
Yes, if they were to cut rates prematurely, it would make inflation roar up higher, which would raise long term inflation expectations, which would make the job of the Fed harder / require them to be even more aggressive for round 2

>>53203461
Interesting point. That doesn't seem like ordinary investing. You're concerned about how many shares you own because of voting power - when shareholders vote on board members and things like that?

>>53203558
JEPI

>>53203612
If what you are saying is true, that means I can't count on the government to support a bottom either.

>>53203461
Common investing advice is to not get "married" to your stock. Profit is more important than ownership.

overzealous houseguest washed my cast iron in soap, i'm fuming

>>53203606
>even worst
these are the people you take financial advice from

>>53203627
>but the government said over and over
K bud

>>53203581
BIT
BST
BUI

I'm not supposed to trade tomorrow but I'll probably doing it tomorrow anyways. Rolling for digits. Even for calls tomorrow, odd for puts tomorrow.

>>53203641
Not beyond their bid size of ~70m barrels. Though at that point, you'd very likely see Xi take advantage or OPEC step in.

>>53203604
That nigga Cornpop? He drank my sneed and feed like he was dying of thirst. Miss him like you wouldn't believe.

>>53203659
The digit gods have spoken, puts it is

>>53203627
Don’t waste time lecturing tards, they likely won’t learn until they lose all their money.

>>53203604
just in case you're not trolling
Jack Bogle revolutionized finance, both allowing the common man to invest in large indices of stocks "buy the basket" but also with the lowest fees, that were totally unheard of to be that low, in the industry
this caused an entire revolution in finance, where funds looked to compete with one another to lower their fees - lower fees benefits the average Joe mom and pop investor
benefits everyone, with less rent seeking behavior
it was also through this revolution in finance that passive investing became popular / possible, which allowed for great economic growth and progress
because people had this ability to passively invest in funds that consisted of the whole market, or the whole S&P500, capital was able to be reinvested into productive areas of the economy instead of sitting under Joe Blow's mattress, allowing for the great improvements in standards of living & quality of life over the past 50 years
Bogle is the reason why when you look at a curve for tech / human progress it has gone vertical in the last bit
When you eat breakfast tomorrow morning, thank Bogle for allowing for resources and capital to be more efficiently allocated, when you drive to work thank Bogle that you have the job
but also thank Bogle for helping to cause this bubble, due to passive investing being a double edged sword

>>53203656
The Fed is not the government
and the Fed is not your friend
>>53203682

>>53203682
Once upon a time, there was an old man who used to go to the ocean to do his writing. He had a habit of walking on the beach every morning before he began his work. Early one morning, he was walking along the shore after a big storm had passed and found the vast beach littered with starfish as far as the eye could see, stretching in both directions.
>Off in the distance, the old man noticed a small boy approaching. As the boy walked, he paused every so often and as he grew closer, the man could see that he was occasionally bending down to pick up an object and throw it into the sea. The boy came closer still and the man called out, “Good morning! May I ask what it is that you are doing?”
The young boy paused, looked up, and replied “Throwing starfish into the ocean. The tide has washed them up onto the beach and they can’t return to the sea by themselves,” the youth replied. “When the sun gets high, they will die, unless I throw them back into the water.”
>The old man replied, “But there must be tens of thousands of starfish on this beach. I’m afraid you won’t really be able to make much of a difference.”
The boy bent down, picked up yet another starfish and threw it as far as he could into the ocean. Then he turned, smiled and said, “It made a difference to that one!”

>>53203699
Daytraders hate him for he spoke the truth

>>53203574
They were never planning on it. The whole "refill" headline cycle was just a petty attempt to pretend their SPR dumping was profitable.
Reality is that if they match 1 for 1 each barrel they sold; they'd be paying more for every single one refilled as oil slowly ramps back to last years highs.. and beyond.

Anyone got some tanker stock DD for the boys?

>>53203699
based and boglepilled

>>53203713
based and starfishpilled

>>53203730
zim zam the flim flam

Spooky ChatGPT story
I am glad billions of dollars have been invested in this technology

>>53203730
Well on the crude front STNG, FRO, and EURN have been eating shit.

The bigger question is why you think tankers have room to run from here.

>>53203515
>economy is still roaring

If that's the case, companies wouldn't be laying off workers left and right.

>inflation peaked and on a massive decline

Cost of living is still high.

>>53203776
EURN just dumped today since FRO killed their merger plan.

>>53203699
That's not what rent seeking means.

>>53203769
Not great not terrible

>>53203769
that reminds me of a horror movie i saw in the early 2000s, 'Black Betty'
i remember on the cover it said 'Whoa- A.O. Scott, Chicago Sun Times'

>>53203254
I hope BRK crashes to zero once Buffett and Munger die.

for fucks sake /smg/, do not invest in shipping
>pic related
https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/baltic-index-posts-worst-week-in-more-than-a-year/
>Baltic index posts worst week in more than a year
not only are we seeing a total collapse in freight / shipping costs, but we are seeing a total collapse in overall trade activity
US exports and imports are falling off a cliff
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-trade-deficit-widens-october-weak-exports-2022-12-06/
>U.S. trade deficit widens as goods exports hit seven-month low
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-trade-deficit-shrinks-sharply-imports-tumble-2023-01-05/
>U.S. trade deficit shrinks sharply as imports tumble
China too
https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-exports-fall-at-steepest-pace-in-more-than-two-years-11670415178
>Chinese Exports Fall at Steepest Pace in More Than Two Years
don't invest in shipping.. don't invest in tankers..
we are moving away from globalization, not toward, for the first time in decades
there is a huge collapse in global trade due to the global recession
it's not going to magically turn around
pic related is how shipping costs have changed

>>53203795
companies are only laying off employees they took on at 0% rates essentially because they were trying to make any growth to beat 2% on their bonds. Now they actually have competition so its no longer quantity but quality that matters.

>futures

>>53203799
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/rentseeking.asp
>Rent seeking (or rent-seeking) is an economic concept that occurs when an entity seeks to gain added wealth without any reciprocal contribution of productivity.
>The term rent in rent seeking is based on the economic definition of “rent,” which is defined as economic wealth obtained through shrewd or potentially manipulative use of resources.
>In general, the term economic rent has evolved to mean receiving a payment that exceeds the costs involved in the associated resource. Entities, therefore, will take rent-seeking steps to obtain economic rent that requires no reciprocal contribution of production.
Funds that were charging fees out the ass before Bogle were receiving payment exceeding the costs associated. They were doing little work, to little benefit to others, and receiving exorbitant payments.
It was rent seeking.

>>53203833
I’m glad I’m being greedy while you are being fearful. I have enough capital to survive and dca into shipping for years. When it does recover I’ll be a king. I already have 1500 BOAT

>>53203699
Bubble should be emphasized now. He created a monster. Anyone buying VTI or VTSAX now is about to get btfo for the next 2-3 decades. Pick stocks or pick a fast food job

>>53203860
ehhhh. Shouldn't money just flow from zombie cos to real companies with strong fundamentals?

>>53203859
when will the global shipping (((crisis))) begin again?

>>53203593
Supply constrained recession, not a demand constrained recession. Rates go even higher after inflation refuses to fall anywhere even close to 2% and the inverted yield curve deepens far more than the market anticipates. They expect a fed pivot based on yield spreads but this is not a collapse in demand, this is a collapse in supply and for rates to be effective they need to go so high enough that demand falls under the increasingly constrained supply, basically a rationing economy.

...had an idea for a webm, but then looked at the source material and realized it probably wasn't worth the effort
oh well

>>53203857
>wealth obtained through shrewd or potentially manipulative use of resources.
>wealth without any reciprocal contribution of productivity.
huh... This is by definition my life goal.. so, what about puts sellers?

>>53203859
SITC International way above precovid high
Maersk way above precovid high
Kawasaki Kisen way above precovid high
Atlas corp above precovid high
Orient overseas way above precovid high
Mitsui OSK way above precovid high
HMM way above precovid high
Hapag Lloyd AG way above precovid high
literally every component in BOAT is still 2 or 3x their precovid highs, before the crazy surge in freight rates
it makes zero sense to me to be investing in them here, when we are seeing a reversion to the mean in shipping freight prices
they should not be valued 3x before covid, when we are seeing this total collapse both in freight prices as well as cargo shipped / total trade

so am i just supposed to be all in VMFXX until the market capitulates

>Beverage giants Coca-Cola and PepsiCo are under preliminary investigation at the Federal Trade Commission over potential price discrimination in the soft drink market as the agency looks to revive a decades-old, but largely dormant law banning the practice, according to four people with knowledge of the probe.
>
>The companies’ pricing strategies are being scrutinized under an obscure law known as the Robinson-Patman Act, the people said. The law prohibits suppliers from offering better prices to large retailers at the expense of their smaller competitors. The largely dormant 1936 law is aimed at promoting a level playing field between small retailers and large chain stores.
-https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/09/pepsi-coke-soda-federal-probe-00077126

Reminder that there are no "safe" or "comfy" stocks. Not in this political environment.

So I have a lunch meeting with the boss tomorrow. Gonna tell him I'm phasing myself out of the business. My veteran employee told me he's ready to take over my role. The rest of my zoomer staff said they are ready to toe the line. The end might finally be in sight.

>>53203631
Generally speaking long term holding with dividend reinvestment is the strategy with the most likely and largest possible reward.

I was really trying with a relationship but this shits getting toxic. How the fuck does dating and building a social relationship happen? ever?

>>53203964
You gonna move up to hazmat janitor work? Or make a lateral move to some other industry?

>>53203964
So the /smg/ startup is on? I have a new business idea if you're ready

>>53203857
Mutual funds provided a "contribution of productivity".

How's it going paypigs?

>>53203980
vtuber cafe

>>53203967
no its not and there is plenty of scientific backed evidence that highlight the inefficiencies of dividends.

>>53203970
I bet HAZWOPER work does actually make quite a bit

>>53203994
Giga-long term yes but stuff like Jepi weren't so bad compared to SPY for the bear market last year.

>>53203995
I can't imagine anything that scares off Zoomers fearing a hard day's work more than that.

Although maybe if they're suicidal that death risk works the other way...

>>53203970
I'm not sure yet. It's probably going to be another month before I have my protege completely trained for the supervisor position, but Ive never been more excited to pursue a new career path.
>>53203980
I unironically will seriously consider it once this is all said and done. I'll have a lot of time and a new found motivation. I have 5 months rent saved up, so I have a lot of time to work on other things

>>53203981
https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/business/2019/02/01/vanguards-john-bogle-probably-saved-small-investors-1-trillion/2734117002/
>in 1975, the deck was stacked squarely against the small investor. If you bought and sold an individual stock, you probably paid brokerage commissions of 2 percent on each side of the trade. In that case, you would have had to outperform the market by 4 percent just to match its return.
>if broad diversification and professional management was what you wanted, chances are you bought a mutual fund with a hefty front-end load, and then paid another 1.5 percent in annual fees to keep owning it
>an initial investment of $20,000 in a fund that charged 0.1 percent in annual expenses, and to which $5,000 was added over each of the next 30 years, would have saved an investor $72,495 in fees compared with owning a fund with an expense ratio of 0.59 percent
The funds / market makers did not provide a "contribution of productivity" warranting these ridiculous fees
Imagine paying a 2% fee every time you bought / sold stock
Bogle ended this, by making all other competitors virtually obsolete
where they either had to compete and radically drop their fees or get blown the fuck out and get zero customers
over the long run, virtually no fund manager is outperforming the market
they are not able to outperform the market, and they were charing humongous fees
this is rent seeking - they did not offer more productivity by charging these fees
the fees were not commensurate to the productivity they provided
rent. seeking.

>Imagine buying the top of a bear market bounce.

Haha do people really? Haha who would do that?

lol, LMAO even.

>>53203594
Explain why its really bad

>>53203967
Then you'd also like a stock that does share buybacks instead of dividends. It'd be the same thing (except for tax differences and so forth).

>>53204034
question then is when to go in

>>53204048
Don't hide, just buy

>>53204048
Very carefully.

>>53204021
If you say so Hoss.

>>53204055
boilers got ruined

>TLRY down 8% after meet
DUDE WEED

>>53204078
wasn't that worth something like 20-30 before? lol

>>53203960
Interesting that they are pulling out that law to target those specific products, meanwhile Walmart is well known for forcing special pricing that is not only a competitive edge over smaller retailers, but cuts margins for producers to the bone, which also forces those producers' competitors to lower, which also forces lowered production qualities.

The price of "Cokes" has become insane in general. When I was a kid you could get them out of machines in glass bottles for a dime.

>everything goes wrong and every faggot starts harassing me on the SAME day again
And that's when I knew to sell. It's like my weird cosmic alert when all the shitty people around me turn their attention on fucking with me that things are about to go wrong.

>>53204115
I'm glad you survived the war grandpa.

>>53204154
>"the war" is over

>>53204184
>psychedelic guitar picking
>faint sound of chopper blades in the distance
THIS IS THE END

>>53204196
A January 6th flew over my house!

>>53203272
Based female broker poster

>>53204184
>THE TREND IS DEAD!!!!!!

>>53204115
>The price of "Cokes" has become insane in general. When I was a kid you could get them out of machines in glass bottles for a dime.
WELL I AIN'T PAYIN' NO FIFTY CENTS FOR NO COKE.

>>53204196
Man that hit *deeeep*.

>>53204207
50 cents was the most I wound up being willing to pay, in actuality. I rarely go out in public, but when I do I can't believe seeing 20oz for $2.50 when that should get you at least 2 2 liters.

>>53203313
Timing the market > Time in the market.

If you manage to sell in the top 20% of a bull market and buy in the bottom 20% of a bear market you will massively outperform the benchmarks

>>53204196
>>53204211
>We must seed them. We must feed them. Shill after shill, scammer after scammer, baggie after baggie, banker after banker. And they call me a shitposter...

>>53203857
>>53203939
Rent seeking should be everyone's goal
The protestant work ethic and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

>(((dark sodas)))
have fun with your cavities. Ginger Ale Chads rise up

>>53204244
Pitch Black is back

>>53204257
Well yeah, that dirty, drug doing cop is on Yellowstone. He put on a few pounds after he quit injecting morphine into his eye.

>>53203833
When you actually start reading annual statements you'll notice that there is still a filled orderbook through 2024 insured by FFAs
You can take these forward profits, estimate the liquidation value of the company and add them together
Sometimes you'll find that it's more than the market cap, in which case you make a profit

>>53203945
Read balance sheets dumb ass, they all got rich during covid

>>53204230
Sure and miss out on all those sweet sweet dividends. Also good luck timing the market correctly
>>53204303
Market is forward looking.

Relationships are terrible investments.

>>53204048
When there is blood in the streets. When people are thinking that’s it, when there are new bankruptcies and mass layoffs every week. When people think the S&P may as well be going to zero cause stocks are finished. When people are panic selling to get out at any price.

We are nowhere even remotely close to that bottom. My target is to start nibbling at SPY 300 on select individual stocks. Long the market below 250. SPY bottom target 200ish.

>>53204324
Collecting even 5% on a stock (and then paying taxes on it) while that stock drops 50% more is of little consolation.

You know that stocks automatically go down the value of the dividend when it’s payed right?

Not sure how to feel about futures. I didnt sell today but too much disinfo about stocks on here to get a clear idea on the direction.

Women have vaginas

>>53204421
bigot

>>53204384
We are preheeming in advance of Jerome, CPI, and/or bank earnings. All three of those would need to resolve well to end the week green. So the only question is: do you feel lucky?

Well, do ya, punk?

>>53204370
> stock
> not index fund
> quoting time in market beats timing the market
Fucking retard, go back to crypto or something

>>53204384
>even remotely considering being long this chart.

Dude

chinese new year(jan 22) is bullish for oil

Crypto fags were very uppity today. You better make me proud and rip a nice fat red god candle down to wipe that shit eating grin off their faces tomorrow /smg/

>>53204228
Same. Im a shut in so it was very easy to notice the inflation.

>>53204487
It's really not so bad.. 6% to the 200WSMA, 12% to the bottom of the channel.

>>53203558
Newmont mining & Barrick

>>53203254
Does anyone here own a memepage. If so how much do you money can I make in a month?

>>53204512

How uppity?

>>53204622
Memepage? The only quality content that will come out of /smg/ is my channel once I quit my job, and you WILL donate to my channel.

>>53204580
>thinking we are gonna stop at the 200SMA

200SMA is about to become the ceiling my dude.

>>53204634
Rocker, either give me financial advice or fuck off

>>53204622
Just become a professional clipper

>>53204643
Buy RYCEY

>>53204646
>become a professional clipper
I don't want to be an absolute parasite that leeches of others

>>53204471
Yes
>250k on SPY $380 buy calls
>250k on SPY $380 buy puts
A mere doubling and I walk away breakeven from either direction.
>bear market confirmed here
>dont question it as they keep acting like its not one nor a recession kek
>wahlah the puts 5x and I'm a millionaire
>or
>bull market confirmed
>wahlah the calls 5x and I'm a millionaire
>or
>succesful crab at $380 for the next 2 months
>wahlah just like that I'm- poor
>pic related
If I actually 500k I woulnt do that. Would just toss it in the bank and wait for a confirmed bull run rather than attempting a timing. Okay maybe Id try timing it with 25k off that imagined 500k networth but man that is a lot of money. Would make trading without emotions a lot easier.

>>53204580
How much is 6% and 12% from here?

>>53204651
Arent video editers parasites then? You are taking long form and generating short form entertainment. Streamers benefit by receiving additional advertisement.

>>53204675
I'm a rather make memes sir.

lol VORB

>>53204648
I told my co-workers to buy rycey. One bought 84 dollars worth and sold today for a 5 dollar profit. I am still holding at 1.20 with 10k shares. I dropped 30k on BOIL today just because that chart looks terrible.

>>53204770
You have no idea how much money I can make you if I don't have to work and can study corporations financial documents. Pray for me. We all win if I win.

>>53204115
Everything is becoming more expensive while decreasing in quality.

>>53204785

Do women just sit around and dance all day

>>53204421
I want love. I've never had it before but I think I'd like it

>>53204794
Yeah

So is Virgin Orbit a buy tomorrow its not like they’re gonna screw up another satellite launch

>>53204654
The key is to YOLO large sums is to not give a shit if you lose it. I went all in with 40k in SPY and GLD puts. Yea in the last few trading days I’m down 20k, sure that’s 50% loss. Yes I’m getting day trading margin calls but what of it? Fuck them jews if they think I’m gonna cover on a little scam pump like that. I knew the risk when I placed the trades. I knew it could go either way on the data and I bet down. I was wrong. I’m not gonna cover off of that though. These puts are good for another two months. SPY 350 or bust. Fuck them jews. I’m gonna 2x this shit or watch it go to zero IDGAF.

The way I see it; I’m risking 40k sure but whoever has the other side is risking a shitload more cause Ill straight up hold these to expiration and let the market crash trying to hedge the deltas as the gamma ramps up; I’ll let my broker close em in the after hours at a profit after the settlement dump cause I don’t have the margin to hold the short stock that was assigned to them greedy heebs.

I know the way this shit works. I will take my pound of flesh out they ass. Those fuckers better hope their algos work out.

i am tired of being 100% cash. cashgang never tells you how boring it is.
why won't the market pick a direction.

>>53204824
Just buy so the market can go down.

uh oh, I guess AMZN could dump down below $80 in the future

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jan/09/amazon-employee-death-warehouse-floor-colorado

YOU WILL NEVER BE A TOUHOU

>>53200705
What is even going on here?

>>53204873
Good, i'm selling ITM covered calls.. i'd like to buy to close below 75..

looking into this dot plot nonsense. fed is projecting 5% terminal.
market bets on this using futures
>30-Day CME Fed Funds futures pricing
probability of only 50bps more total increased by 10% on monday (based on what???) and some blame that for the rally today.
in the fed's plot they say their reasoning is based on PCE expectations they project even THREE years into the future. (like anyone can even get that right 3 months into the future)

In short the market is moving in anticipation of highly nonlinear chaotic data. If it seems completely retarded that's because it is.

fucking dump more already jpow speaks tommorow, we can have a rally on thursday you faggot mumus just let the market be volatile, tired of holdcucks keeping us back from fast and ez gains

>>53204824
what are you talking about? The market had a direction all year last year and it was down. If you didn't buy whatever you were interested in at a 50%-70% discount, you are never going to buy and are just going to wait for the market to price you out again.

>>53205031
i will simply buy and hold

Cramer is bearish on tech and china

>>53204820
Look up ASTR.

>>53205039
?
SPY is up like 8% off it's lows anon lol
i have buy signals, and they haven't hit yet.
>>53204864
no

>>53203585
This anon knows what's up

>futures

>>53205062
TSMC MISSED
> TSMC MISSED
TSMC MISSED
> TSMC MISSED
TSMC MISSED
> TSMC MISSED
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/world-biggest-chipmaker-tsmc-misses-061454788.html

>natgas

>VIX gap up
BASTARD

Bill Gates bought a ton of Coupang. They even moved some headquarters from S. Korea to Seattle. This can be seen if you look at the bill melinda portfolio. Bill is banging on Bezos door imo

>>53205185
Don't care, I'm bullish no matter what because I hate bobos and think they are fuckin fags.

>>53205185
it is over SOXLbros

>>53205185
>NT$625.5 billion against NT$636 billion predicted by analysts
Nothingburger but excuse for smart money to dump if they wanted

> futures

Bobros wtf happened to the dump? Did they slurp it all ?

>>53205199
Kek, it was up 10% yesterday. It fucking crashed another 14 now. Its never going up again lmao

>>53205248
Escape from the crab still just about cancelled.

>>53203292
>Do you start DCAing every dollar you have into the company? In order to “make it” you would need to be putting in 6 figures. Catching a 5 bagger with $1000 isn’t worth the time you spend researching.
It is if you have about a mil. That's why they say you should always invest with other people's money. On your own, the work is quite intensive for very little. You would not put more than 5% of your portfolio in any one company or trade typically. Potential wipeouts are too dangerous, and you can reduce idiosyncratic risks by having a lot of trades. Is it a lot of work? yes. That's why you should try to automate the process. But ultimately the game is pretty rigged. Accept that doing due diligence is a lot of work for not a lot of money.
>>53203401
Sure, but there are plenty of overly bullish pricings on the market right now. Look at nvda or intc. The price to income expectations just flat out don't make justified sense.

>>53205248
Recession has been cancelled chud, soft landing imminent, no Great Depression 2.0 kek

CHINA SUSPENDS VISA ISSUANCE TO JAPANESE TRAVELERS: KYODO

what did they mean by this?

BBBY is pumping

>>53205199
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>53205355
>intc
>overly bullish
holy kek lad

>>53205415
i happen to agree, the only thing INTC has proven over the last fews years is their complete inability to compete, or execute their business. Those faggots revenues were plummeting during a chip shortage for fuck sakes.

>>53205387
Same thing with South Koreans, yeah? Allegedly a tantrum in response to the COVID testing of Chink tourists.

Bullish for reopening, bearish for Asian COVID test makers.

balls deep accumulating SOXL. puts on SPY, profit goes to more SOXL

Six more weeks until bears drench the market in cum.

>>53205415
Dude, their revenues are in free fall and we're not even past the worst quarter in the economy yet. I'll show you some DD in a second that is probably going to scare the shit out of you if you're holding intc. I'd be shorting nvda and intc if i were you.

>>53205447
Bobos will never get to cum, you bobos have been saying 2 more weeks for the last year. The entire time the market has remained bullish and there will be no major correction or recession.

>>53205452
you people thought meta was a bad buy at $90 i really dont give a shit what retards think dont waste your time

>>53205387
>>53205434
I think the Chinks were doing anal swabs for Nips when the outbreak first started. Why anyone would want to go to China is beyond me

>>53205460
No one thought meta was a bad buy at 90. The p/e ratio was around 9 and its still a profitable company. It's just never going to that peak it once had though

>he thought we had escaped the great crabbening of 23

ohnonono

>>53205471
dont care, writing for premiums. easy money so far. cant wait to get raped by a 30% drop in 1 month though

>>53205460
own meta, have puts sold at 80 for more. INTC is a train wreck though until proven otherwise. something to watch but not to own.

>>53205456
The yield curve is an economic forecast, generated by the buying and selling of the world's leading investment banks. If you know you know.

futures are dumping again

Yields....

>>53205498
Bruh, she don't even fit on the chart no more

>>53205508
She just needs more time and more rape hikes to stand up.

>>53205498
that's bad...right?

>>53205495
Irrelevant in the post QE clownworld, the indicator is worthless now and high IQ bullchads know this. The reason bobos always lose is because you are all midwits, bulls either have sub 80 or 130+ IQ. I have 72 IQ and made millions from Hex and dogecoin in the last crypto bullrun I also bought TSLA in 2019 because the logo looked cool. I buy cryptos based on the logo and if I like the colors.

>>53205527
The show starts when the 1 month whiplashes.

>>53205536
>Irrelevant in the post QE clownworld, the indicator is worthless now
That's what midwits said about the inversion that predicted covid 6 months in advance.

>>53205544
>The yield curve predicted a black swan event
bobo please

>>53204821
Theta decay eats up option value very quickly, even faster when your options go further OTM. You have a better chance of being profitable if you do spreads or buying LEAPS.

>>53205554
fucking mouthbreathing retard

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/T10Y3M/

SOXL bros wtf is happening

>>53205554
covid was made in a lab and released intentionally to prevent social security debt bubble from imploding

>>53205567
I already told you I have 72 IQ, however low IQ is an advantage in investing and is why I made millions from shitcoins in 2021. As a midwit you are doomed to over analyze and lose money.

>>53205554
the yield curve predicted massive government stimulus and forced shutdown of demand

>>53205577
True, covid was one of the most bullish things to ever happen. Markets mooned, I hope we get another black swan like that soon.

>>53205576
You're the kind of person the fed is trying to heem.

>>53205581
>people bored in lockdown learn """"""investing""""""" in 2021
>by 2022 they lost all gains and more
lol

>>53205590
The market is forward looking so currently the bullchads like me are looking forward 2 years to rate cuts and money printing while ignoring all the bullshit spewing out of Powell's mouth now. If he wants to heem me he will need to hike rates much more, and I'm still gonna ignore him and remain bullish the entire time.

>>53205576
Based retard sama.

>>53205581
2020-2022 will be known as the great bag transfer of the 21st century

>>53205604
if he gets rates up to like 8% and remains there for another year he's going to heem the planet

I'm going to buy more BBBY shares today, everyone says it's going bankrupt so I do the opposite.

Pump or dump?

>>53205684
Natgas dumped... so dump

>>53203649
literally does nothing you massive faggot there's no lye soap laying around anymore

>>53205456
>market down 19%
>y-you never get to cum

>>53205710
Down 19% after going to the moon, and 3500 was the generational bottom on the S&P. We will never see SPY below 380 ever again.

>>53205738
we definitely will if CPI isn't as low as the market just started expecting.

>>53205752
It will be low though, low enough that we will risk deflation soon if the Fed doesn't start loosening. The last few CPI reports annualized are barely above 2%, inflation is over and bullchads won.

>>53203394
>Television (religious) literally at the bottom

uuuhhhhh, christchads...?

>>53205684
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-HkyhZCLOw

literally educate yourself and you don't have to ask, you'll know by analyzing swing highs and swing lows. price moves in waves, anon.

>>53205570
I thought SOXL is gonna dump that with the tsmc and apple news
what happened? are we really pivoting? leak cpi data?

>>53205762
I think it's the
>send me $300 as an act of faith
type of "religious" television

finna gamble some snp calls before this cpi report drops you heard?

>>53205710
but think about how horrible thing are, inflation at 40 year highs, aggressive central banks all tightening, russia ukraine, asset bubble, QT, all the bullshit...... and the markets down 19%

I went long s&p500 with a x30 leverage. Wish me luck.

>>53205815
Not even luck can save you.

1488 AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

why is usd/mxn at such a low and why I should not buy some?

>>53205777
Trips checked. The market has priced in the earnings miss, recession and subsequent recovery as well as the next 60 years of profits. Jews win again

>>53205460
Intel is doing worse off than it was 5 years ago.
It makes the same revenue as back in 2016, in an inflated environment, with higher costs and it's steadily losing market share on everything but the datacenter market, and leadership claimed that was going to slow down due to competition aswell. There is no upside to intc

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17pBwoK1XIkNY-9gvuUW5qaQlVrRF8h9Fd7djQGpCF6E/edit?usp=sharing

> futures

Nasdaq is green

>natgas

>>53205810
The thing that people overlook when spamming historical charts and shit is that there is more participation than ever and that has to account for something. Literally teenagers are throwing money at various instruments when just a couple decades ago you wouldn't find more than half a dozen people that held stocks walking through a mall on a Saturday.
Maybe the real new normal was higher lows SPY made along the way.

>>53205777
what tsmc news ?

>>53205966


Be honest, how many of you guys are long nat-gas?

Some anon a few days ago was long 10x

>>53206017
missed earnings

>>53206023
Still waiting to hear from that fool. Didn't he say he only needed 4.1 to dump his bags? Assuming he took that chance when it came...

>>53206023
T-this would never happen to oilers

>>53206057
its me and I did, seethe and cope, double my folio

Just doubled down and took another 10x for another double

>>53206064
Wow amazing, doubling every single day. At this rate you'll control the world by the end of the year.
>Doubt

>>53206064
lmao at least you have good timing

>>53206064
what product CFDs or futures?

what's the exit price and liquidation point?

I am rooting for ya

>>53206084
unless it makes a new low and I lose everything

>>53203394
>Attending gambling establishments (stock market) is for poor people

I'm in this picture and I don't like it.

>>53206023
i swings natgas last december and made it out with a profit, but looking back, i think i got lucky. if you look at a natgas index ticker symbol GAZ, natgas in general doesn't look too hot. been in a bearish trend for a while

also a reminder to do your TA on an unleveraged index ETF like GAZ, XOP, OILK instead of just looking at leveraged ETFs whose numbers are much more distorted as a result of decay. don't get me wrong, index futures etfs are also affected by contango, but not as badly as leverages is the long story short

>futures

uh oh some dumperinos are happening

>>53206097
CFD 10x, liquidation is just shy of 3.60 because of 50% margin rule.
My TP remains 4.80, unless it gaint too much in 1 day again.
In any case I need to cash before jan 17 rollover or get liquidated, since the new contracts are swinging below 3.60

>>53206100
You'd only lose about half, but yeah that's what I was trying to tell you, by going too hard you make the risk become too asymmetric towards the downside, a -5% movement makes you 2x down but +5% makes you 1.5x up, which is a bad asymmetry. Instead of aiming for a 2x every time you should aim for +30%, so you'd only buy a third of what you can. If it dumps and you feel confident you can then double down.

>>53203385
it won't be smooth sailing since the sinking ship is clearly not a sailboat.

>>53206103
why the fuck would you ever even bother trading a chart this messy and gappy? god i hate people who hold overnight...

>>53206050
but they haven't even reported yet. Fourth quarter revenue according to bloomberg is $20.6m. Estimate is $20.501m

>>53206122
Good luck

>>53206127
it's fun to swing. if you can see the overall trend, you can trade the leveraged bullish or bearish etf. for example if you put money into KOLD at its local low back in december, you would have 2x'd by now. moreso if you did calls/puts, volume permitted

>>53206133
I need it, got comfy when it popped its head above 3.80 again, only to get bitched down back to lower 3.70

Usually it dumps at 13:00 CET until NY open. I am a masochist

>>53206122
>jan 17 rollover
Isn't it jan 27th? And that's not how rollover works, rollover is like selling the one expiring then buying as many units of the next contract. It's a pretty neutral operation except for the spread/fees. Btw you can switch to the next month contracts now, because they trade lower that means backwardation which means that as time goes by their price will rise. The only (non-)problem with more distant contracts is that they don't swing as hard, but I'd say that's not a problem for you, you already use too much leverage.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

So I’ve been thinking outside of the box trying to find a good investment. Hear me out. So we all know that electric vehicles are the future. No denying it. Now I’m not suggesting buying stock in an electric vehicle company but what do electric vehicles need? Charging infrastructure that’s what. It just came to me. So I found this company called blink BLNK, and they make chargers. This could be huge because people haven’t thought much about the chargers. This is your chance to get in at the ground floor.

>>53206155
im not sure how this works, I just know my platform offers a henry hub cfd, it states that the next rollover is jan 17, usually this means a gap up or down in the chart, this gap can liquidate a person, it will however give you a swap fee to compensate, but if you are on the wrong side of the gap you are still fucked, its kind of weird with cfds

I"M GONNA DDUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMPPPPPPP

>>53206174
>people haven’t thought much about the chargers

>>53206175
>it will however give you a swap fee to compensate
are you sure about that? I'm on CMC Markets and what you're talking about isn't a problem at all, rollover absolutely cannot liquidate you, that's silly.

>>53205776
>naked trading
Wtf can't i wear clothes to trade?

>>53206174
chart looks extremely correlated to tech, so it is in the shitters right now. company is also nearly 25 years old. unless you can justify its financials it seems pretty meh

Maskies and vaxxies are Satanic confirmed. SHORT MRNA
> who show up to the ‘Hexennacht in Boston’ on April 28, will have to wear “an N-95, KN-95, or disposable surgical mask,” according to the convention website. Other details, such as the exact venue in the “historic downtown,” the schedule of events, or names of speakers, have yet to be provided.
https://www.infowars.com/posts/us-to-host-largest-ever-satanic-gathering/

>>53206188
I just double checked and for me I actually can be liquidated on my CFD, so lets say my liquidation is at 3.60, if the rollover causes the new price to gap below 3.60 I will be liquidated if I dont have enough margin, but I will get the swap paid out. So I believe liquidation is possible but losing more than you would closing before rollover is not possible

>>53206205
Shorting mrna with a x5 leverage from $200 , feels good.Target $100.

>>53205815
I sold earlier with a 5% loss . Im short now and up 5% .

>>53206227
Nice

I'm thinking of buying Ally financial. talk me out of it.

>>53206247
My wife has a car loan from ally

>>53206247
you sure you wanna buy it before earnings, bud?

>>53206207
That doesn't make sense if the swap is added to your cash because the criteria for margin call is having a portfolio value worth less than 50% of the deposit for your positions. So if you get cash the rollover will make the value of the deposit (10% of the value of your positions for this CFD) go down actually.

>>53206254
the car loans are the big concern, since defaults are going up, but look at that tiny PE ratio and it's a good company overall.

>>53206256
i was thinking of "trickling" in a position over the next few months.

What a beautiful morning

>>53206258
>the swap is added to your cash
its added to the position and only paid out after cashing,

yes its a shit broker

>>53206265
based dollar cost average enjoyer

>>53205815
>>53206235
>hits just below 4000 at the moving average
>rejected
>"time to go all in"
I seriously hope postos like this are just memes.

>>53206196
Didn't BLNK pump in 2021 on greenshit hype?

I think I will be shorting fast food chains. Wendy's is shutting down a shitload of restaurants in New England. Its fast food apocalypse on top of retail apocalypse kek.

>>53206286
Doubt it. I just started investing in November

13:00 CET

SHORT NATGAS NOW UNTIL US OPEN

GUARANTEED 10% PROFIT WITH 10X

>sold all positions at close yesterday on that rejection candle
I dunno what you guys are doing but I'm okay..

>>53205815
How did you do that anon?

>>53203394
Me in the dark yellow sliver on the bottom-most right

>>53206290
From june 2020 to feb 2021, BLNK went from 2 bucks to 53 bucks. I remember this retarded thing pumping with all the other greenshit and wishing I had ridden that tesla-adjacent moon.

>>53206302
>>53206302

>>53206148
compare it to this chart of /ES though, intraday. look at how much clearer the trends are. look at how there are no gaps. literally just short reversals from lower highs or long reversals higher lows, then apply risk management. use something for a general bias, like a MA or the VWAP if you want to filter further. literally unironically that easy.

>>53206313
reposted (with pic included this time) in next thread:
>>53206319

>>53206293
same, lets enjoy the show.

>>53203574
Since the dems turned it into an election tool, the republicans should never refill it for them.

So the dems will have to do it, or just never refill it.

Europoor here. Is there some hidden risk/cost in investing into US etf-s for the long-term as non-leveraged (i.e., no overnight fee) cfd-s? For various reasons, I believe I would be better off doing this in terms of overall fees than if I bought the equivalent european etfs normally.

>>53206174
TSLA already are the industry leaders, not worth