/biz/ - Business & Finance

N for first

XRP to $37500 soon

>futures

>>53191568
>there is no "doing it properly" the S&P500 will outperform every single trader on /smg/ over a long enough period of time.

>>53191528
If /smg/ traded properly then memestocks which aren't a total joke like COS would have been posted when they were still like a dollar. /smg/ is not a place where you learn to make money, I don't think sentiment here even matters except that if /smg/ is hyping something it's probably too late. Like how people hated CLF tranny and SOXL tranny at first because of the spam, but then unironically went all in because they bought into the 'hype' on an anonymous imageboard (and these are presumably men over 25, so not just dumb zoomzoom kids, but people with jobs and savings and something to lose) and then got rekt. Now we've got people looking at the market having taken a fucking beating for a month and saying "All in on shorts, bet we dive another 5000 points from here" or whatever. Meanwhile there's nothing going on and no reason to think that before the CPI comes out on thursday, but there's a lot of assumptions to be made the market will crab-green today, pump tuesday, plateau wednesday and then AAAAA thursday on bad CPI data, then next week begin going up again until the FOMC and Jerome (once again) confirms there will be no pivot.

>>53191637
>trader on /smg/
Anyone that could consistently beat the market would not be on /smg/. Most of the sustainable strategies require 7+ figures of money to operate.

I want rabbit cunt.

>>53191637
today i will remind them

you don't need 7 figures to buy and hold good companies (or a basket of them a la ETFs) and have the discipline to ride out the storm. imagine if you bought during the COVID crash. you could have turns a 5 or 6 figure portfolio into 7 figures

a more experienced trader once told me this:

>you know how in real estate it's "location, location, location." well in trading it's "discipline, discipline, discipline."

and that has resonated with me since. whether you're long or short, riding high or sitting low right now, the real winners of the market will always be those that know themselves and know enough of what they're doing to see it through. be the opposite of a GME reddit baggie. you can make it only if you try

>>53191672
>Most of the sustainable strategies require 7+ figures of money to operate
This. I'm sure most anons on here if given $1,000,000 could go without ever waging again and making passive income that yields more than they'd spend. Or at least I could, now if only I had $1,000,000. The biggest problem with that is how to get there.

Boil bros. I didn’t buy enough at 12. Ez 150% by June

>>53191689
Did you consider that active manager make money off fees and not gains? In fact I would bet that if they did too well investors would pull their positions out early

>>53191670
>he doesn't know there's been multiple instances of people paying shitloads of money for alpha on the deepweb that are nice enough to leave a hint here from time to time
Why do you think this place glows as hard as it does.

>>53191698
forgot pic

>>53191683
bunny SEX

>>53191725
>>53191733
yes im aware, but why dont they want to outperform, wouldnt that bring in more inflows? are they trying not to, or are they simply not able?

>>53191523
It means line go down

>>53191672
The trick is to actually do research into a company (hours of research, if not a full work week's worth) where you verify they're not dogshit, aren't in the process of fraudulent bullshit or being eaten alive from the inside by a bunch of consultant whelps running them into the ground, then figure out whether or not they're getting grants or funding from the government and do your best at establishing who is pushing which angle and why. If you don't have a lot of money find a company you love and DCA that shit until it pops, it's really that simple it's just not very exciting. And nobody should touch options until they've paper traded them for minimum a year and understand the greeks, every dipshit that gets lucky buying a 4$ call or put option at the right time is doomed to hell because they'll think they can do it again. Where if they really knew what they were doing they'd have bought a hundred of them and never had to work again. There are very fucking smart people that post here, literal millionaires, the problem is there's also a sea of idiots that don't know a pennystock from a bluechip that are just getting started and a whole rash of ganges gulpers shilling whatever fuckshit they're getting paid to make apu edits for. Here, I'll give everyone a free tip - don't buy shit just because someone says you should, DO buy shit you were thinking about buying for your own reasons that you see confirmation here that it's a good idea. I've made good regular money doing exactly that letting everyone else signal the momentum for me just swinging shit.

The collapse happens late February/early March. Plan accordingly, you have been warned.

imagine being a bobo in 2022+1

>>53191747
Because it's way less effort to just make money by good marketing and collecting fees. Cathie Woods is a perfect example of this. Even if ARKK goes bust she still made a fortune off of it.

>>53191732
>alpha
>deepweb
Might as well have said tor on the darkweb.

This is finance related
https://youtu.be/b2q0Ow2I-BQ

quick reminder to buy SOXL while it’s on sale

>>53191845
post 12 month returns

>>53191917
It's not dark if people now know it exists, and a large part of it is indexed or has links in various wiki's. Deepweb is the more apt name at this point.

>natgas weak ass pump

Back to 3.50 tomorrow, it will never go above 4.8 anymore

How the fuck do you do due diligence?

>look at their financials for the last few years and make sure the good numbers are going up and bad numbers going down
ok, what now?

Why the fuck are futures pumping so much?

>>53191888
while it's true she's well off by collecting fees but ETF has literally """innovation""" in it's name. people who give her money expect investments in this growth shit otherwise they wouldn't put money in
imagine her investing in KO

"Well now," I said, trying to sound menacing. "Looks like you're holding out on us. What do you know about the stock market, lady?" I leaned forward, my eyes narrow. I knew she was hiding something, and I was going to get to the bottom of it one way or another. "I suggest you start talking - and quick."

"I hear you've been sleeping with that slimeball, Jerome Powell," I said. "Tell me what he's up to, and I'll make sure you never see him again." I leaned in close, my breath hot on her face. "Do we have a deal?"

>>53191963
CEOs with a history of performing well in companies that don't seem to live or die based on how they use and redefine EBITDA measures. Seriously that does like 90% of the work before you have to become an accountant to figure out the rest.
Winners tend to stay winners. Losers stay losers. "Buy the dip" literally and will always mean index funds.
If your horizon is less than a year than you are better off studying books on poker strategy, and not economics or finance.

>>53191990
Her eyes grew wide in fear. "I-I'll tell you everything," she whispered, her voice trembling. "Just please, don't hurt me." I could see the fear in her eyes as I slowly pulled out my .44 magnum. I knew it was the only way to get the truth. She was hiding something - and this was the only way to get it out.

My hand gripped the .44 magnum tightly, my thumb caressing the cold steel in the moonlight. I could see the fear in her eyes, and I knew that I had to do it. This was for the greater good.

I pulled the trigger.

And I watched as her life slipped away.

"I'm sorry, lady," I said, looking down at her body. "But it had to be done."
They had taken everything from me - my money, my wife, my children...

Everything I had ever known and loved, they had taken it all. And I wasn't going to let them take this from me, too.

I knew that I had to do it. For the greater good.

So I fired my revolver, and watched as her life spilled out onto the pavement.

And I knew that I had made the right decision...

For the first time in my life, I felt in control.

>>53192030
"Mr. Powell..."

I said the name out loud, letting the sound of it linger on my tongue as I looked down at her body.

"You took everything from me..."

I could feel the blood coursing through my veins, my heart racing faster than it ever had before.

"And now... I'm taking everything from you..."

-AI pepe Noir story generated about tackling the federal reserve

>>53191987
That's exactly my point, majority of professional active manager are not out there trying to beat the market, they are out there trying to sell their fund through marketing

>>53191963
Lurk for several years and you'll figure it out. It's far more than just looking at raw financials, and in fact a poor EPS or earnings report is one of the first things someone on the opposite side of a trade will run with in the media. You're delving into the more esoteric side of things when you're doing it at a very high level, there's a chart that gets posted infrequently describing the iceberg of knowledge required. Yes, part of it is a meme. Yes, if you think the whole thing is a meme you are a midwit.

Will the stock market never go down again?

>>53191963
if you're stock picking, read pick related.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCWed2VXWxU

>what's it about

the boomer's guide to stock handpicking for long term holds. not for active trading. he doesn't even mention technical indicators lol, he just talks about the company and what makes some companies worth investing on a fundamental level compared to others

but it's the ultimate answer to your question

>>53192125
Might I also recommend studying Peter Lynch as much as humanly possible. He goes into this as well and a lot of his interviews are freely publicly available.

>>53192090
Post it fag

>>53192179
yeah peter lynch is wonderful. i love how all the audiobooks for this stuff is on youtube for free

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue7iMBfwkr8

If I don't make money today I'll have to sell my my little pony collection

>>53192220
On mobile, don't have it on my phone. Someone will come along and post it. If not just more incentive to lurk and learn.

>>53192125
>>53192226
yeah reading Lynch's stuff and all the other famous investing books is basically how I got my list of requirements for companies

was just thinking surely it can't be as simple as doing what those books say because everyone in the stock market has read them and everyone loses money

oh god its so green today

>>53191683
you misspelled rabbit cunny

AMZN needs to go back up before I cash out my playmoney shares from the direct stock purchase plan for a motorcycle

>>53192326
Nope, it's literally that simple. Most people are idiots and get their investing advice from a tv show or some dipshit influencer on youtube. The few that have the patience to actually crack a book and apply some critical thinking to what they read so they can use that knowledge effectively make shitloads. It's only a casino if you treat it like one.

Just looked up Peter Lynch books to see if there were some I missed

half of them aren't even about investing, they're math textbooks, guides to Scottish politics and a history of the church

>>53191747
>why dont they want to outperform, wouldnt that bring in more inflows? are they trying not to, or are they simply not able?
I would venture a ghigh IQ guess about why they arent able: Infloiws are highest near the top, so they are forced to buy at the top, and sell at the bottom... a sure way to underpoefrom but they cant help it, its their clients who want to have it that way...

>>53191689
This is defeatist FUD shit cowards post. "just buy index funds they beat 100% of traders 100% of the time" ok go be a coward somewhere else loser.

Also times are changing your little statistic about 10% a year or whatever over time is all dependent on the fiat debt scam which is an ever widening bubble about to pop and your fucked.

This shit is a game if a trader has discipline and masters probability and risk reward he can have more losers than winners and still make money. This shit is beaten constantly by algos and with a proven strategy they can continually increase their position size to achieve massive levels of growth.

Stop being a pessimistic coward grow some balls get some leverage put on some risk.

>>53192350
Alright so that's the fundamental side
but how do I actually value a stock though?

you could buy a 10/10 perfect company but if you buy it at too high of a price you could go years without seeing any gains

>>53192373
Any successful investor applies more than just economic knowledge when picking stocks. I'm entirely not surprised he could write a book on all of those subjects, he ran the magellan fund from 1977 to 1990 with an average annual return across that timeframe of 29.2% - he's arguably the most successful investor of all time. Pure math will not ever get you to that level of just sheer fucking greatness in this field.

The only book you should read to learn investing is the Talmud.

futures are sus, smells like a bulltrap

I’m going to continue buying INTC

>>53192380
This. It is much harder to beat the market when your fund is trying to make 10% on a billion dollars than it is when you are sitting on $200k as retail and looking to make 10%. You could make ~$1k daily on $200k and in just a months time 20 days of trading youv made 10% on your $200k.

You can't do this with $2billion. You are playing a different game. You wouldn't tell these fund managers to just buy SPY. Their job is basically to provide liquidity across the market with their $2billion. Their existence along with pension funds and people DCA into shit is how the system is supposed to function to insure the 10% over time gains. Do the math on where SPX will be with these 10% yearly gains in 10 years.

>>53192391
>you could buy a 10/10 perfect company but if you buy it at too high of a price you could go years without seeing any gains
To begin, investing has a timescale of way longer than just a year or two or at least real investing does. If you want to gamble then go play the slots or buy scratchers, this ain't the place for that. Secondly, if they're a perfect company then you would be thrilled that the price was static or dropping as it would allow you to build a bigger position for when they do pop. Yes, that idea is entirely counter to what is pushed to most. Yes, that is because there is a whole industry dedicated to getting you to invest like it's a casino. You must become the kind of person that could walk into an actual casino, do one pull of a slot machine, and then leave right after whether you hit the jackpot or watched it light on fire. I'd actually say that's a good litmus test for self control, take a hundred dollar bill to a casino and break it into 20's then do a max bet at the nicest slot machine there and see if you can turn around and walk away whether you win a million or lose. I'd wager the vast majority of people that invest cannot do that - I did it every day for a week on a family trip, max bet 20$ each time, hit a small jackpot on the second day and still went back the next three betting the same 20$ for one pull of another machine. Total invested was a hundred bucks, total return was four grand. If that's not something you can do, you should not ever fuck with options until you can.

>>53192422
Me too. Bought another 100 shares lately

BBBY is pumping in PM. Want to fomo so much

what are the financial implications of just buying as much of one single stock as i possibly can until i own the company. can i do this to a shell company that operates outside official regulatory state governance for undisclosed contracts in the eastern european region

Rocker you KIKED me!

https://www.streetinsider.com/Corporate+News/Bilibili+%28BILI%29+Announces+15.34M+ADS+Offering%2C+Proposed+Notes+Repurchases/21047372.html

>>53192445
The last week or so I have seen it being shilled repeatedly. Maybe finally someone will buy my -35% intel bags.

>>53192482
Bitch had infinite liquidity. You could offload those bags at anytime

>>53192467
If you're going to try to do that then direct register the shares with whoever their holding company is so that when you own all of them outright you have a slamdunk case in court for having full control of it. Would be beyond based for a single individual to forcefully take a company private, although you'd be filing various forms for that level of ownership so it wouldn't be anonymous or unseen.

>>53192467
so basically the chinks just ban all of the words related to freedom or how they fucked up royally in the past?

>>53192524
Y'know how in the US whatever you say online gets catalogued if it's notable or otherwise screened if it hits certain keyword or keyphrase combinations? Over there they'll still let you talk shit and say whatever you want, they're just gonna send the cops to your house to bring you down to the station and sit you down until you either admit you fucked up for whatever you said or if you won't admit it they take you to a re-education center. Just a different philosophy of societal control, more direct and authoritarian.

>natgas

>>53191766
i wouldn't trust 4chan in anything. this website is purely for entertainment purposes

>>53192579
>purely for entertainment purposes
funfact: sometimes i throw you guys a bone so you cant tell if its real or not

>>53192467
>what are the financial implications of just buying as much of one single stock as i possibly can until i own the company
it would unironically cost you more than their market cap

>>53192592
thats nice but i think one can do pretty well if they aren't a drooling tard that expects to be spoonfed answers. all those redditors that ask what to do with their money are so ngmi.
at best you guys just repeated what i thought. its really just common sense that a drop in a good company is temporary

imagine if you will that you're on a sinking cruise liner
everyone knows that the ship is sinking
the ship has filled up with water on one side, making the ship tilt to an extreme degree
everyone is aware that the ship is tilting
water pours in below decks, and begins to fill the other, unbalanced side
the ship now is filled with water on both sides below deck, so it is no longer tilting
everyone on the top deck celebrates, as the ship is no longer sinking
they take off their life vests, and return to their cabins to go to sleep
the ship sinks
everyone who returned to their cabins dies

this is the current state of the market, with the weak data published last week filling the "unbalanced side"
we are no longer tilting
we are still sinking
do not forget it

>>53192554
re-education, you say? that's dreadful. orwellian, even. totalitarian and evil. glad we don't have anything like that over here in the West...

>>53192592
Being a good investor is being able to read the tea leaves and determine what is and isn't bullshit. I would fully believe jerome has shitposted here more than infrequently too, or other big players. Would be zero percent surprised if burry has bobo posted either.

>>53192592
>funfact: sometimes i throw you guys a bone so you cant tell if its real or not

that's not how it works. ever read "the boy who cried wolf"? there's no "sometimes it's good!", no, the chances of it being good are so small here that i never buy anything shilled here. much easier to just do my own actual research and strategizing. even if you "threw us a bone", i doubt any of the regulars would ever believe you if for no other reason than because of how many shit picks have been posted.

i even took part in the GME craze and made a fuckload of money off of it, but that's only because i did the DD and had realistic expectations. i didn't think it'd go as crazy as it did but i knew the PS5 would be a major boost to their bottom line, and they had the extremely high short interest. i also didn't bet the farm on it and only took out a small position. my point is, i heard about it from here but i didn't just blindly buy some shit because /smg/ told me to, and honestly at this point im doing so well with day trading technicals on highly active stocks that i don't even need to gamble with penny shits anymore.

>>53192389
Yup the whole reddit "you can't beat the market don't even try" bs is pretty much just a Vanguard marketing campaign

>>53192657
Burry is a literal autist who keeps catching heat over his tweets. I would be surprised if he didn't post here.

>>53192686
I think most people can beat the market on a short time scale. The trick is to do it consistently. Which is the part I am struggling with

>>53192389
shhhh don't tell them. let them retire when they're 70+.

>>53192657
>Being a good investor
Used to mean noticing that a business is expanding and more and more people in your environment are becoming customers of that business. That's Lynch's entire approach.
Doesn't apply in 2023, last time it was successful was the smartphone/web app era which has just finished recently.
Also, the most important part of being a good investor in seeing the run coming to an end.

>>53192389

>>53192759
Much of what he said still very much applies today, it's just become a more complex calculus than reducing an entire investment philosophy into one sentence. As for seeing it come to an end, you tell me which way it's gonna go and I'll tell you if you're a retard or not.

>>53192708
In a way making big quick gains that dwarf any Shit&Poop 500 gains is the easy part, the hard part is learning to avoid the big drawdowns. For me the solution is waiting patiently for good occasions where the potential for going the wrong way is limited.

some gud torrents
>>1198010

>natgas once again doing -1% per minute

its over, natgas never going up again, never ever

Bill Ackman dude is saying "KO and PEP products are bad" Fucker, I've got more KO shares than he does.

Weekend /Smg/ can give some good advice.

i once recall a presentation by an actual hedge fund manager who quoted pic related. He talked about how although markets may change, elements of its participants do not. He continued, discussing how fear is hard wired into the human brain, and that fear as it happens, is generally activated by the lower part of the lizard-monkey brain rather than the thinking side. That is, when people are scared, they stop thinking, and that when they panic, they make dumb moves -- opportunities to be taken advantaged of

He concluded by joking how he made a living taking money from people who had no business making decisions in the market by being on the other side of their trades, and then offering them advisory/management fees once they give up. He then uses their money to keep beating to a pulp "scared money, weak hands, greedy pigs"

Some things are different, but some things are always the same.

>>53192389
I'd like to see an adjusted table or a more granular breakdown. If I lose in the market for 9 years but then one year I make a 2000% gain then technically you could say the Market beat me "90% of the time" even though I only needed one win.
And if I run a hedge that includes defensive positions like bonds...then yes the market would beat me *during a bull run* like we've had for the last 20 years.
>t. a guy who "beat the market" this year because I lost less bow to me faggots

>>53192819
>it's just become a more complex calculus than reducing an entire investment philosophy into one sentence
If it's more than one sentence you're fucked before your broker cashes his fees.
That was my point, the complexity is equal to how shit an investment it is.
PS I don't even care about investing, that's more of a www.reddit.com user thing. I'm just out to make some good trades.

>>53192981
I don't think today will be a black swan dumping

>>53192931
that's five words

On behalf of OIL holders everywhere, I'd like to thank every Chinaman who commutes 50 miles a day to an iPhone factory and is currently booking a vacation. Especially ones with lots of long haul flying.

>>53193021
well at least you're paying attention...

what are we buying?

>>53193104
You did buy apple at 125 didn't you anon?

>>53193104
patience for Q4 earnings

>>53192389
i regret locking some money in funds. sure they eventually turn green but the stock market has so much more potential. you wont get that kind of control when someone else manages your money

might fomo into BBBY, could see this hitting $3 again before going bankrupt

Why is the market doing this to me

>>53191963
stop posting cute japanese girls so early I gotta work in 50 mins

>>53191595
$TSLA

>>53193016
That's right, you don't think

>>53192879
Ackman is a hack. It’s hilarious that he got to where he is with his level of skill and IQ.

PRTY ROCKERS IN THE HOUEE TONIGHT

Anyone still on lean hogs? I am losing my patiance frens....

post the lean hogs gif

holy shit why would anyone buy nvda or amd when qcom has way better valuations?

>>53193165

>>53193173
because zoomers and millennials name investors

>>53193162
Lemme guess, you were up, then you started being less up and were okay with that, and now you're down significantly and decided enough is enough unless somebody can /r/gme-style DD you into hopeholding a little longer.

>>53193165
This one?

It’s starting to dump my bastards

>>53192879
>>53193156
>Bill ACK-man

>>53193184
>"You don't need high capacity to hunt!!!"
this is why you never let city folk write laws

>>53193173
Because despite people telling you to stock pick, the market is mostly driven by algorithms at this point so when the market as a whole moves up your 'pick' (which I assume would be either longs on qcom or shorts on nvda) gets passed over because of every stock moving broadly upwards with the market momentum, which is why trades should mostly be made with the market itself in mind rather than any specific individual traits of the companies, because picking the next 20x stock is impossible statistically.

>>53192389
>>53192686
This i fucking hate the 95% of traders don’t beat the market cope. If you want to be average fine don’t even try but if you accept you’ll lose money for awhile learning to play the game you can do exactly as you said, lose more often than you win and still come out profitable with risk management. And trading is one of the only financial opportunities that scales insanely well, if you get a stack big enough and get good enough at it your returns multiply by insane amounts which is something no buy and hold strategy offers. I don’t want to make it when I’m 70 and falling apart I want to make it in my 30s at the latest and despite the 95% cope plenty of morons on Wall Street manage to figure it out. Clearly it’s possible so if you want to buy and hold like a bitch go chill in /r/investing and leave

I just want intel to dump so I can buy more cheapies.

>>53193182
if you want to have decent investing conversation please go to the bogle head forum you fag

>>53175533
It's not a realistic forecast of the future. I'm modeling what has to happen in order for the current price of NVDA to be worth the market price. If the price at market sounds reasonably plausible then i say that the stock is probably well priced. If the results of the stock are unreasonable then i'd say it is poorly priced, all of the forecast numbers can be changed.

>>53191689
>small cap outperforms mid, large, and overall sp 500
wtf i was lied to they said sp 500 is best to invest in

>>53193219
its even more than that
the market is the collective sum of opinions and valuations of millions of traders and firms, and then the ai programs are built on top of that

long term you can still win by investing in value or small cap because of the contrasting goals of short/long term investing. (for example pensions are almost always S&P 500)

And then of course you have fossils like Warren that have been in the game long enough to see traders win only to get btfo repeatedly. Everything thinks they are the next genius

And then the biggest one is this
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z93yWXb9Tb0
Each decade the top 5 largest companies change hands.
>1980 - IBM, AT&T, Exxon, Amoco, Shclumberger, Shell, Mobil, Chevron, Atlantic Richfield
>1990 - NTT, Industrial Bank of Japan, Fuji Bank, Sumitomo Bank, Exxon, Dai0Ichi Kangyo, MUFG, IBM, GE, Tokyo Electric
>2000 - GE, Exxon, Microsoft, Cisco, Pfizer, Walmart, Citigroup, Intel, Royal dutch Shell, Vodafone
>2010 - PetroChina, Exxon, Microsoft, ICBC, BHP Biliton, China Construction Bank, Walmart, Petrobas, Apple, HSBC
>2020 - Saudi Aramco, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Alibaba, Facebook, Tencent, Bershire Hathaway, Visa

Now
>Apple, Saudi Aramco, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Bershire Hathaway, J&J, Visa, United health, Exxon Mobile

There are a few common names but the best company to invest in for 10 years from now you don't even know exists. Retail traders end up bagholders.

>>53192848
imagine being the guy who went all in 10x on natgas lmao

>>53193303
it gapped up though, so he should be okay right now?

>didn't even make a profit until 2020
imagine investing in a celebrity's pet project

>>53193267
>if you want to have decent investing conversation please go to the bogle head forum you fag
Is this what happens when they hire minorities to program chat bots?

>>53193309
Yeah he's in the green but imagine having your entire portfolio up like +55% then you check back an hour later and now it's only up +20% and then a few minutes later you check again and it's +35% and you look back at the graph and it's actually pretty normal move. High reward if he can time it right but the daily risk of getting wrecked is ridiculous.

Insider here. MULN will hit $1 this week

So I took a loan out at over 9% for a roof, gutters and siding for my house. If i cut all of my losses from 2022 (down 40%) I can straight up settle the loan.
Seems like a no brainer, thoughts?

>>53193333
>checked

its very risky, but if the $3.50 late 2021 bottom was the actual bottom for this downward move, the price could bounce to ~$5.1 before any meaningful resistance

>>53193340
MULN is in extremely bad shape, whats the catalyst?
Also that loan you guys took out was retard tier

>>53193333
>imagine having your entire portfolio up like +55% then you check back an hour later and now it's only up +20% and then a few minutes later you check again and it's +35% and you look back at the graph and it's actually pretty normal move
Reminder that everyone here should experience this at least once. There is no better way to train your risk tolerance. And you will never feel more alive.

>>53193325
It's fucking oversold. 70% in ONE MONTH??? It's oversold as hell and WILL go up from here on out.

>>53193219

lol what a retardedly reductionist conclusion. Ample evidence right here that QE fried retail the average retail monkeys brain with "All stonks go up!!!" dogshit. As if relative outperformance to the indices is a myth, LOL.

>>53193363
shopped

How do I long bacon

>>53193349
you already know the answer

>>53193379
Sorry, those clouds are real and those letters are actually carved into that mountainside.

>AMTD
remember the 2k anon last week who was all-in, had 60k pre-market but couldn't sell and it opens -23%
hope he is okay

>>53193384
Meme answer: Lean hog futures
Best answer: ADM I think?

>>53193384
Lean hogs futures.

>futures

>>53193395
Hey, least he went for it. And got an answer fast, people here baghold for ages, damaging their psyche along the way, for way less of an upside and often more of a downside.

>>53193363
lmao my first real trade was buying CRSR by CFD, starting with 100 units @ $41, and as it kept going up I was buying more units to keep it maxed out until it reached $51. Then it suddenly crashed to $43 and I barely made it out with a $150 profit.

>>53192422
Intel is going to be going down for like the next year, maybe two.

>>53193428
Study pic realated.

>>53193369
This. Yes there is more arbitrage across the markets as in indexes go up then it is likely your stock will be going up as algos trade the arbitrage to match indexes and things like sector ETFs etc. Which is why sectors mostly match the indexes. But within each sector and industry there are winners that do not largely correlate with the indexes or their sectors in the longterm. Just look at any bundle of lets say 20 stocks in S&P 500 and you will see majority of them have actually not correlated with the broader market all that much. Anyone who was smart enough to shift their portfolio to a higher weighting in healthcare and energy "beat the market" or at least is at break even while SPX is still -15%+

>>53193456
That would be perfect. I’m in accumulation phase.

>>53193456
all semi companies are, especially overvalued crap like nvda and amd

>cpi thursday
>bank earning friday
how good or bad is this going to be

>>53193492
yes.

Sup /smg/? Did you guys have a good weekend? I'm looking forward to a few days of green before we get back to the selling.

>>53193395
I swear this place is a revolving door of zoomers thinking they can chase pumps after they happen, it's like a never ending fountain of inverse alpha

>>53193492
>if good then meh
>if bad then more bad

>>53191595
Fuck everyone that recommended buying VTI etc in the current market. I can make in 5 trades what it would make in a year. Bought €5k worth yesterday cause of >muh diversify and regret it already. The opportunity cost is making me suicidal.

>>53193566
you are not supposed to buy VTI and look at it, one day after 3 decades or so you just cash it like a piggy bank

>>53193566
if you can make so much then sell that shit

>>53193566
I meant today, i am a Eurocuck, lost €50 instantly if you include transaction costs. Which means i cant even sell. Index funds are for boomercucks or if you have extra cash you dont need to look st for at least 1 year.

>futures

Managed to secure another subscriber for my belly button onlyfans. Just started last week and the content is incredibly easy to produce. This should supplement my burp page nicely. Thinking about putting all gains from this account into my peer to peer lending portfolio

>>53193566
just wait 50 years bro

wasnt everyone talking about max pain and the world ending literally 6 days ago. what happened

>>53193583
>this post
The world won't stop being clown world until the the index bubble pops

>>53193605
I didnt say anything about profit you niglet, I said use it as a savings account that will protect your fiat from inflation

>>53193599
goldilocks

I'm full port short. I'm not selling until the market dumps to 2900 or I get liquidated.

I get liquidated? Good. Motivation to finally get a better job.

>goldilocks heeming bobo
it's just like the fairy tails bros

>>53193599
nothing changed, unemployment is even lower but muh wages are lower too so we pretend all is good and pump into CPI, if CPI lower we pump even more until Feb then we remember Jpow again

>>53193388
Is the answer debtmaxing? Im not familiar with this fat fuck

>>53193594
just get a whip, start beating your girlfriend and make a BDSM page you absolute weirdo

>>53193638
he's the no debt ever boomer, so the opposite

>>53193599
Bank earnings come out in the next two weeks. Expectations are dogshit as is, so now we get to see how the market reacts if the banks beat or miss earnings

>>53193545
Kys baggie

>>53191706
it doesnt matter if you give 1 billion or 100 dollars to an idiot.
an idiot will waste it regardless of sum.

I hear this time and again and it just feels like midwit cope.
>hur durr, if only I had 1 million, i could become a professional trader hur dur
right... you'd lose it in one week retard.

>>53193618
Positions on the stock market aren't supposed to be inflation-protected savings accounts. If they are, then something is horribly wrong.

Jesus, why is Europe pumping so hard bros? Most Large Cap companies are +20% at least over the last three months... Yet another bullrun that I didn't fully capitalize on :(

BREITbros why didn't we sell in February?!

>>53193662
This kind of thinking (will do us in)

>>53193662
at what point does it become a bullrun instead of a bearmarket rally? real question

>>53193662
people literally thought europe would descend into the stone age because of cold weather

>>53193662
all central banks are performing a perfect soft landing

>>53193071
As I've been saying:
SPR Release ends => Oil moons

A voice in my head at the start of December told me to go short till new years then go long via a call spread after new years. I just listened to whatever that was

Anyone else an /x/ investor

>>53193599

>>53193662
didn't they more or less pivot because of the pensions going under?
also the gas for heating during the winter seemed to be a nothingburger

>>53193651
Thanks, you keep yourself safe too. It's a crazy market out there.

>>53193662
USD came down

>>53193657
position on a managed index should over 40 years, otherwise something is horribly wrong with the economy

>>53193678
Well right now it's a sucker's rally, the real bull run won't begin until there is peace in Russia.

>>53191963
Listen to 8 quarterly calls
Try to assess the CEO/management
Glass door reviews
Have a macro thesis on sector trends
Spend a lot of your time on investing. Absorb everything you can

>>53193703
Also when feds stop raising rates. Even bonds are rising in the vain hope that Powell will blink

>>53193683
That’s why the SPR release won’t end until it’s drained

>>53193722
>SPR down 38% this year
Isn't this going to be expensive as fuck to refill?

I cant shake the feeling that things are going to get worse before they get better

we green

>>53193703
kek i wonder if people in the 50s never invested because they were waiting for the korean war to end

>>53193747
Look at WW2, stock market was fine lol

>>53193744
we gaan

>>53193712
I disagree, the f.e.d.'s decisions on monetary policy arent actually having any influence over the capital markets. Its really just going to come down to when they start negotiating the terms of zelensky's surrender.

Hellow fellow zoomies. My lil COIN and NET doin a lil sum.

>>53193735
>Isn't this going to be expensive as fuck to refill?
"Clean it up millenial"
- Joe Biden, 2023

>>53193758
yeah no shit, people who sit on the sidelines because they're afraid of le ebin world-ending boogeyman will never make it

>>53193763
dubs I could marry
0 would actually be an arab looking hunney without the glasses and ponytail

>>53193763
Rolling for 9

>>53193783
the arab genes are what makes them ugly you fool

>>53193791

>>53193763
Just imagine the delusion that goes on when surrounded by ugliness
I went to a rural christian college where all the women were BEAT.
You start to develop the eye. Suddenly they arent so ugly when you see nothing else.

It's that simple. Bet on american companies stomping on the face of the masses forever

>>53193764
What the fuck are you smoking? The markets fell when they announced the next rate hike, it was obvious they weren't pricing it in. Even the bond markets got hit

I’m losing money because the line goes up, I hope it will go down soon

>>53193822
>Mold on the eggs
wtf?

>>53193799
Whatever point you are tying to make here only proves anon right

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>>53193822
Dry as shit looking pancakes

*knocking grows louder*

What's your small cap ace in the hole card that can 100x?

>>53193763
woof

covid is officially over even in china and we are going only up from here

SOXL sisters. It is our time again.

>>53193826
While some may argue the markets fell when the boys over at the F.E.D. announced the next rate hike, I would just like to point to the alternative facts that the markets went up because of the christmas cease fire.

>>53193856
>remember when I made that prediction in March? Who's the idiot now?

>pre-open

puts will get instantly obliterated
covering at open….fuck this shit

>>53193854
american pancakes are always dry and shit because they are too thick
a tasty american pancake is an oxymoron

>>53193880
Top signal

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT

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Soft landing confirmed, pivoooot incoming. Bobo’s btfo’d. simple as.

>>53193822
What kind of poor retard eats beans for breakfast. Or tomatos. What are you a fucking feudal peasent?

>>53193890
Just have a crepe. The best pancakes are 3 inch thick souffle versions that take half an hour to cook

>>53193903

WTFWT

>>53193903

>>53193799
I'm glad you agree with anon

>>53193890
Agreed, the only good pancake ive had were thin silver dollar ones my grandpa used to make

I lost everything.

>>53193907
crepes are for people who surrender, like the french and the hohols.

YANG gang....

just bought 1000 SOXLs ask me anything

>soxl up another 5%
Damm, what is going on?

>>53193869
Kill it with fire

>>53193936
Why now and not when it was under 9 bucks?

>>53193932
on what?

>>53193948
for the same reason I sold a bunch at 7.50 a few months ago

I am not good at this

It‘s over for Bobos

Found a hidden gem. The company is called workhorse WKHS. Basically they offer a fully electric delivery van. Why is that important? Any investor worth his salt knows that the future is trending towards electric vehicles. The USPS is currently in the process of picking a replacement for its entire fleet of vehicles. I think WKHS has a shot to get either full or partial orders from the USPS. They even have an opening for a drone to deliver packages. The thing is basically a delivery truck and drone mothership.

>>53193967
Are you avin a giggle m8?

>>53193967
this post time travelled from 2019

>>53193936
I bought at 9.85.
I heard you can push SOXL.
Is this true?

>>53193967
>electric
stopped reading right there

bulltrap engage.

>>53193934
China's topping out here. I might finally dump my longs.
If you can hold out through a bit more suffering, YANG might finally see some green.

Everything is back to normal, surely nothing bad can happen now

Don't fall for the trap, it's going to be another squeeze day. Shorts have to cover in anticipation for CPI/earnings. Also +3% of VIX to crush...

>>53193973

>>53193986
how do you know that? Media have been pushing out "china opening" since almost two month now. Two month of green over one single news. How retarded are the market really?

>>53193999
Only melt up from here guys
haha

>>53193999
Based trips of truth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ_joicK8S4

Shit I am a garbage trader, bought calls at open and SPY dumps. Had puts a few days ago and SPY pumped. How is it possible for one man to be wrong so often?

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT

>>53194005
>+3% of VIX to crush
Based vanna whisperer

should I buy DUST?

>>53194018

dude you got shaken out by a 0.15% move in the first 8 minutes of open? No offense but you should find another profession

>>53194018
opening is always volatile, either wait with a position or deal with it for the first 30 minutes

>>53194046
All in on JDST you say?

Cpi is gonna be low
Opex soon
Earnings soon

>>53193999
checked

>>53194012
the amount of time and effort that went into this is truly remarkable

we didnt deserve him

>TLT and stocks moving in opposite directions again

>>53194005
>every rally is a squeeze
go back

BULLBROS TF WAS THAT , BOBOS GOT BTFO AND SHORTED THE BOTTOM AGAIN

>gas

Why did I sell my TSLA

Fuuuuuuuuck

>>53194091

>>53194083
Seething bobos like you were jerking off about record put call ratio last week what happened?

Time to slurp SQQQ or wait till CPI print?

>>53194018
>trader
>options
Be honest with yourself at least that you're gambling

>>53194007
That is what I came here to see.

>>53194107
OJniggas... we're getting mogged hard...

>>53194083

>high beta tech junk leading
>TSLA/NVDA/AMZN up 5+%
>defensives selling

uh yeah its a squeeze

>>53194107
sauce for this screenshot?

>>53194160
https://finviz.com/futures.ashx

Where is everyone?

BUDDY LOOK AT ARKK COMPUTER

>>53194166
thanks

>>53194008
Ignore the leveraged ETFs for a moment and look at the actual valuations of Chinese shit.
They put in a hard bottom in November at the conference where Xi took power and everyone was memeing about the other guy getting dragged out. There was another hard bottom back in March when JPM capitulated and swapped to sell ratings on every single chink stock. Both of these moments marked easy buying opportunities, and I said as much in this thread at those times.

Now China's back inline with where they traded most of 2022. Some stocks are still lower, like BABA, and others are higher. If you look at KWEB on the whole, it's back at Dec 2021 levels, before global markets started declining.
There's a much higher peak from Feb 2021, and you might think Chinese shit is going all the way back to that peak, but that would be retarded. They only reached those price levels in context of the SPAC and tech bubbles of the time. Given where the rest of the market trades today, KWEB at $40 is the realistic top.

This rally will vail like all the others.

>>53194046
>should I buy DUST?

>>53193384
Stack physical bacon. Bacon ends the fed

This price action on the SPY is what I like to call Fake & Gay. The only question I have is how many of (you) are going to get sucked in and fall for this Sucker's Rally.

why r we pumping today broskis

>>53194138
CPI print will be rosy. Wait until after bank earnings in a couple weeks but before tech earnings.

>>53194133
Is this 'bullrun' in the room with us right now?

>>53194205
>sucked in
I bought calls for February, ~a week ago. Sitting comfy, baggot.

>>53194207
new year new me

Bake it

>>53194208
>CPI print will be rosy
And the Fed will still say "higher for longer" and pledge not to cut rates in 2023. I guess people won't realize where this is going until it's too late and we'll have a waterfall capitulation to new lows.

WHOA BLACK BETTY

Why the fuck is NVDA +5% green right now? Is there even any news to justify this move??

>>53194247
Yes, you missed the bottom

>>53194210
I dunno is opex over?

my plan is to wait until the fed meeting in march to see how it all shakes out - expecting one last good dump before then. have 850k in cash waiting to go.
but it's tough watching this rally. itchy trigger finger for sure.
the one thing that really makes me doubt my bearish sentiment is the real life I see around me. there are literally no signs of a recession in my personal life anywhere. all hotels and restaurants packed, everyone slammed with work everywhere, real estate still flying off the shelves.
without some big event, what's stopping this economic train? 4% rates won't be enough to fuck all this up, surely.

>>53194247
new GPU plant in Ukraine for LBGT and trans freedom planned

GO
>>53194271
>>53194271
>>53194271

>>53194229
Lol and they'll say that, right up to the point where they cut rates.
Are YOU really so stupid, to STILL believe the Fed? LMAO REALLY????
>>53194237
Don't they prefer "African-American Betty"?

>>53194279
They're not going to cut rates with the market marching towards new highs and you're delusional if you think that. They will eventually cut rates but not until everyone feels serious pain. Pivot mass hysteria is out of control.

>>53194229
Agree with this but we'll have two weeks to jack each other off before the fomc cuts the market back down to earth. I'm just here to ride the waves, after all.

>>53194310
>market back down to earth
I don't know if that'll happen anymore. I can also see the market melting up and then one day having a collective moment of clarity where it waterfall crashes like in 2020.

>>53194269
Touch grass. Everyone who goes outside is bitching about prices being sky-high, layoffs, and generally pessimistic about the future.

>>53194178
I agree with you a whole lot, but where I'm doubtful, is the market being this rational. I really wish I could base all my trades on rationality, but I learned the hard way, it's not that easy. Let's see on this one. I'm also in yang since a few days, but my hopes a fading...

>>53194269
While this is true, there are plenty of bearish signs in the economy as well because everything is expensive as fuck. Inputs at my job are at least 15% more expensive than they were last year

>>53194269
All of it is debt financed. People are paying for take away pizzas in weekly installments now. A lot of the people you see spending at restaurants and hotels will go bankrupt the moment they lose their job.

>>53193932
Bears get the rope