/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>53167403
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But somehow, despite all this, the Buerua of labor statistics reports that the median income is 50K a year and the average is 40k a year....
Source:
https://www.bls.gov/cps/earnings.htm
I looked closer and saw that they base these statistics on a sample of 60,000 thousand households which are custom chosen to falsify data.
What this essentially means is that approximately one half of Americans live in poverty.
While there is not a clear definition of what makes a first world country a first world country, one of the guidelines is a majority of the population making a decent yearly income.
>Because of this I discovered that an argument can be made that the USA does not qualify as a first world country anymore.

Somehow no one is talking about this.
I need other Anons to investigate this because it seems so unreal but the sources are all there.
Discuss.

To clarify, 1 in 3 workers on 15$ an hour and 1 in 5 on SSI amounts to more than 50% of the american population living very close to the official poverty threshold.

>>53167403
>One half of Americans may be in poverty.
Good, the more angry the better.

>>53167449
yeah but that figure, if true, completely throws off the rest of the economic model, for starters, there isn't a strong enough consumer base to explain the massive increase in major corporation incomes.
Somehow amazon made hundreds of billions last year but according to my post the american people don't have enough money to actually spend that on amazon purchases.

So where the hell is all the corporate money coming from?

>>53167403
Most people know this anon, go outside and talk to people or look around.
Most people can't afford their car breaking down, if they have one at all.

>>53167494
When everyone is poor as fuck they will fight back. I hope you go broke.

>>53167510
maybe, but it isn't commonly *known* as a fact.

The average income during the great depression was 1,500$ a year and in todays money that is more than 20k a year.
Source:
https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1930?amount=1
https://great-depression-facts.com/

That means 53% percent of Americans are making less than what the average person made during the Great Depression.
Which means we're in an economic crisis far worse than the great depression was.

>>53167553
By Jove we're in the Greater Depression.

>>53167526
Incorrect the whole point of crashing crypto was to stop the average man from making money.
I had a decent sum and was ready for a call to arms.
Now I have nothing and with inflation I'm spending more than I can make so if something happens I can't even defend myself.

So you're wrong about that.

>>53167553
>>53167494
oh nyo anon figured out it's all a fucking lie and the financial system is a scam that the captured bureaucracy and media will never report on honestly! that everyone is being fucked hard while the entities responsible for that capture literally control the money creation mechanism which they use to hoover up every bit of capital they can while bankrupting and impoverishing eveyone else! what will he do next!

>>53167494
>Somehow amazon made hundreds of billions last year but according to my post the american people don't have enough money to actually spend that on amazon purchases.
My theory is credit cards, people still want to buy stuff, so they pay with credit cards digging themselves into holes trying to climb out later. I think there may be a secret credit crisis brewing but I have no evidence.
>>53167553
It's a bit hard to compare money then and now, due to population growth and certain commodities lowering in price, like sugar and coffee, and other commodities growing in price like housing.
Try to find a item that has stayed stable since then and now, maybe milk. Also it can get worse, the great depression had a recession in the middle of it.

This is not news anon. Commonly known that most Americans cannot afford a $500 emergency. Let me repeat that more clearly, if a small minor inconvenience of $500 happens, MOST americans are totally fucked. No one is taught how to invest, balance their books, or slice income into needs vs wants. Cheap credit made this last longer but the dream is over.

Bankruptcies, car repos, mortgage defaults coming soon. 2008 coming soon. Fed will have no choice but to complete the transition to CBDC

>>53167587
This is all MTVs fault. They got all the youth hooked on drugs when they should have been hooked on phonix.

>>53167606
>Fed will have no choice but to complete the transition to CBDC
Why does every midwit keep regurgitating this as if it fixes anything.

>>53167553
>Which means we're in an economic crisis far worse than the great depression was.

Your brain on /pol/ everyone. Actually really take your meds at this point you’re just throwing out blatant conspiracy theories. You’re right anon, you’re right because when I went Christmas shopping everyone was starving on the streets and killing each other over bread. oh wait that’s not what I saw, I saw families having a good outing BUYING goods for the holidays. Anon, log off for a few days and actually consider your mental health. Spreading false information is dangerous please post responsibly.

>53% percent of Americans are making less than what the average person made during the Great Depression.
Doesn't seem right. We have way more social welfare programs now though. If you took away all of that "income" then yes Id say absolutely we are poorer today. I mean imagine 20% of Americans having absolutely nothing, nothing to eat and nowhere to live. That would probably be about as bad or worse than the great depression right?

>>53167572
Money isn't real.

>>53167606
The systematic dumbing down of the population, plus thug/drug culture promotion, plus replacing all real economic jobs with robotics and automation, is why were in the place we are today.

>>53167613
You're a MIDWIT if you can't see what SWIFT is building, are you that retarded? Do you think SWIFT is bringing ISO20022 online for fun and games? Do you think they're talking about blockchain as a hobby? Fuck, what happened to /biz/

https://www.swift.com/standards/iso-20022/iso-20022-programme

>>53167613
The game was rigged from the start.

>>53167618
Where I live there's more people living homeless than owning cars. The entirety of the young population (35 and under) has to rent rooms in shared houses and work two or three jobs.

>>53167635
>Where I live there's more people living homeless than owning cars.
I know because I counted the amount of cars on the highway in a particular space and time, multiplied it by a larger distance of the highway and 12 hours of busy driving time, and I got a number close to the amount of the homeless population in the area, which I calculated by similar methods, which the government refuses to count.

>>53167631
Nothing in this post explains how it will fix the economic crises that America is facing.
If the plan is to strengthen the world's confidence in BRICS, then sure, I get it.

>>53167661
it's a masonic conspiracy to strengthen the Chinese nation as the new world super power so we can export their prison system to the rest of the world. The problem is that China is building a system designed to kill off all the human inhabitants and replace them with machines.

>>53167661
I'm pretty sure printing dollars rugs china harder than it rugs Americans. Albiet, it sucks either way.
I have noticed an increase in homelessness and bank foreclosures.

>>53167661
This is the point of the Great Reset

>>53167673
I watched a video about this and it scared the shit out of me. This was years ago. It was a sims cartoon. Do you have a sauce for your claim? I'm intrigued.

>>53167673
Ask yourself why masonic temples are always near elementary schools or high schools.

>>53167687
Every major world leader or business leader in the west wears the Great Reset affiliation Badge on their clothes.
The Great Resets stated plans is to export the China prison system model to the rest of the world.
China is now in the bad habit of soft genocide of it's own people, like when they starved people to death for months in shanghai.

All the signs indicate that the world elite want to kill most if not everyone on the planet.

>>53167710
How long do you think?

>>53167720
well, shit, if my OP post is right half of America is already in poverty...

>>53167732
shit this topic spiraled out of control fast.
let's bring back to the OP.
Do these sources and numbers seem right?

>>53167720
I suspect it has already started. So many of my patients have died after taking the vax, but I dont dare say anything or risk losing my job.

>>53167751
>shit this topic spiraled out of control fast.
It's hand in hand a bit.
>Do these sources and numbers seem right?
I think so, but I'm also looking to scoop up foreclosed houses. A few cities like Pittsburgh are becoming ridiculously cheap. It will only get cheaper.

>>53167759
>I suspect it has already started.
I guess 2020 was the real start. What a fun game, I forgot I was playing.

>>53167624
But poverty is, when I gotta break my back while I'm sick as an 87 year old man just to eat so I can keep my lights on, it makes money very real.

>>53167793
Poverty is only because Americans willingly accept slavery.

>>53167793
As long as Americans accept slavery and submission there will be poverty.

>>53167797
Right right blah blah wax poetic somewhere else, you claim americans will rise up when they are broke, yet claim money isn't real your just provoking meaningless drivel.

>>53167811
Everything you own will be stolen from you. what dont. you. get???? Honestly.

>>53167797
The reason they accept slavery is because they aren't educated enough or smart enough to establish an alternative or replacement system to the corrupt one that has targeted them.

The revolutionary era from 1600-1950 was only possible because people were routinely consuming complex political and economic philosophy and ideology AKA actually reading books. The moment the average person stopped reading as a cultural past-time, the intellectual insight for revolution ceased and the revolutionary era ended.
Not every revolution was the same, Americas revolution was pro-democracy and capitalist, while Russia had a communist revolution, but revolutions themselves did occur. That cannot happen now in consumer based cultures that reward and encourage stupidity.

>>53167807
Explain?

>>53167835
An alternative is easy, its built into your limbic system.

>>53167841
The government is stealing from you, and everyone after you, and everyone after them and themselves.

>>53167403
I have a Question. If you're self sufficient, but make no money. Are you are counted towards poverty?

>>53167845
The limbic system and it's instinct are not information dense enough to inform a socio-economic system.
People have to consume complex ideology and literature for revolutions to even be possible.

>>53167866
>People have to consume complex ideology and literature for revolutions to even be possible.
They've been pushing mafia shows lately on netflix etc.

>>53167403
bump add me to the list

still living comfy life
easy access to the beach
cheap nearly unlimited food

only problem is having expensive housing and roommates

>>53167866
You know that feeling when you get pulled over, if its rage, you will be ok, if its fear, its over for you.

>>53167866
There have literally been revolutions in places where the majority of the population was illiterate.

>>53167889
anon, raw emotion isn't enough.
many many times if revolutions happen out of sheer desperation by ignorant people, the resulting system is usually worse to live under and a new revolution happens almost immediately afterward. This can spiral out of control and lead to failed states that last for decades if not longer.

>>53167896
Yes, and in those times the kings relied on psyops and not massive social media datamining, chemtrailing, Zersetzung tactics, denial of free energy, and drones capable of scanning the heat from your body from a satellite.

>>53167835
ya we also got a shit ton of dumb violent foreigners as if the 13% we inherited wasnt enough

we are the worlds charitable piggy bank and homeless shelter

>>53167896
But they were still informed of a complex ideology to a degree by those who could read. And after the revolution happened the new system was defined by those that did read.

>>53167913
The ultimate problem is that if China is anything to go by, there's serious evidence pointing to massive genocide as part of the elites agenda.

>>53167940
I read a theory the next boots on the ground will be cartel. The barbarians raping rome.

OP is missing something. Official Gov figures do not catch work that is off the books. I can tell you that a lot of "poor" people are only poor on paper. Lots of them have under the table jobs or gigs. Melanated individuals sell drugs and steal, that will not show up on any income report stat. All the Mexicans at Home Depot want $25/he nowadays to help you build a deck, how much of thatbactivitt makes it into your stats?

TLDR; People work under the table to save on taxes and collect gibs.

>>53167947
There's serious support for that argument, since the massive poverty will lead to a huge upsurge in drug use. That huge increase in demand will boost the cartels to some serious power.

>>53167956
The OP tracks official wages, non-essential minimum wage work accounts for more than 40% of the entire economy. The numbers fit.

>>53167962
I'm not even sure what to do to prepare for this. Mexicans are fucking everywhere. They're submissive enough to lose their country to cartels, I don't doubt they go along with an expansion effort out of cowardice.

>>53167988
learn Spanish and practice Santeria.

>>53168002
Spanish isn't bad advice, but I'd like you to be more creatively optimistic. If there is a will, there is a way.

>>53167403
It's weird how there doesn't seem to be any real "good guys" on the game board taking shape. There's the masons, who want ultimate control, there's the nazis, who want ultimate control, there's china who wants ultimate control, there's the global criminals cartels who are brutal and don't care about anything but money, there's the communists who want ultimate control, there's WEF who wants ultimate control,there's Russia who wants ultimate control, there's American billionares who want ultimate control, who else???

It seems like every single player on the board doesn't give a shit about civil liberties or justice, they just want ultimate control.

Perhaps taking early initative and figuring out the communication structure between Cartels then psyopping them is one way to go. Make them infight. Sew distrust.

>>53168038
oh yeah, and the Muslims, who want ultimate control.
again, no one cares about civil liberty anymore...

>>53168064
>again, no one cares about civil liberty anymore...
They never did to be fair.

>>53167403
>>53167414
does this attempt to account for the fact that many people work more than one job now? i assume no, so its even worse lol

>>53168064
>civil liberty
No such thing.

There are smart anons lurking. I'd say unironically there is a peaceful solution to this, but it requires advanced psyops.

>>53167414
I strongly believe this is the case that most Americans live in poverty. The evidence is very clear everywhere I go. I am from a somewhat upper middle class and even that has been crumbling very hard in recent years. Everyone I know is very broke and hanging on to that one friend or family member that's basically a life raft. Everyone I know is living with someone else parents, friends family, or has multiple room mates. Everyone I know has been struggling to make rent, car payments, afford groceries etc. I don't know what makes America a first world country. Probably because we're technologically advanced; but even that is waning as we import more poojeets with shit tier fake degree's and take away real incomes from real college degree holders

>>53168095
people are getting ready for serious conflict globally and governments are driving their people into poverty all because of how game changing Big Data and global surveillance is.

Every power player on this planet is banking on becoming a pseudo-All seeing All knowing God and the people of the earth are paying the price.

>>53167956
nigger I worked those "under the table jobs" they pay less than the above the table jobs, they're ultra part time , ultra temporary, and you're completely disposable. No health insurance, no tax credits, hell you might not even get paid. Those jobs exist and are a source of income; but they're not prime choice. They're the jobs you do because you need a job. Not the jobs you do because you get to larp as a poor person. Fun fact every single person who works under the table .. broke as fuck and wouldn't have to pay taxes anyways because their income level isn't high enough to justify having a taxable income. The thing about those jobs is that they are legally not paying taxes they're just formally disclosing that they're not paying taxes.

>>53168122
Be creative anon. We're conditioned to approach this hopelessly, but where there lays a vacuum of power, there is also opportunity.

>>53168122
The power players of the earth are getting ready to fight over who will own the global economy of AI and machine automation and police the world with the all seeing eye of modern surveillance.

The only thing regular people can do is create real industry that employs real humans, instead of mass producing shoes with machines, employee humans and some machines to make the shoes to pay the people.

But as long as the modern surveillance culture goes un-countered, the war for All seeing All knowing power will go on forever and rip the world apart.

>>53167572
I have nothing and yet I can defend myself. Weapons are cheap. A rock is a weapon a trip wire is a weapon. Sand is a weapon. Fists are a weapon. Deception is a weapon. We live in the most weaponized country in the world. If something happens and you can't defend yourself you really didn't try at all to defend yourself

>>53168168
yeah, I don't think even the mexican cartels could take America if every gun owning American was rallied in defense. there's around 100 million gun owners in this country and like 10 guns per person. A direct assault to take this country would fail, even for a nation like China.

>>53167403
>>53167414
im sad to say it bruv but, duh. welcome to 2023. thanks for playing.

>>53168122
Governments are driving people into poverty so that they can tell them what to do in exchange for money. We need to stop using the jew dollar. The collapse is supposed to kill crypto by forcing people to choose between eating or holding assets. They want to reset us to zero by forcing us to own nothing. We need to militarize and resist the IRS because they are the ones who come knocking when we refuse to use kike currency.

>>53168179
The issue becomes raising awareness. I liked a bit of what you said earlier. A population has to be educated.

The way to win might just be to shitpost harder. I don't feel like raising arms. I believe in God and that there is a peaceful solution to mostly earthly matters. It's simply spreading information and a matter of memetically engineering the field into a more favorable position.

>>53168179
Also Americans own half of the entire worlds gun supply. I'm honestly shocked there isn't more mass shootings.

>>53168179
The Mexican cartels could take us because the Mexican cartels are US. The population of America will be nothing but beaners in 4 or 5 more generations. At that point beaner logic and beaner ways of life will be normal and at that point the prevailing system will be Mexican cartels. America will become Mexico. It's all part of the plan to kill the white race so that the jews who think they're above the whites, beaners and blacks, will have a racially stupid and inferior sub class that's easy to control. The thing they aren't counting on though is the propencity for violence that the Cartels have. You can't enslave a people who enjoy dying and killing the warrior spirit refuses to be shackled and would rather leave this plane of existence than be subdued

>>53167403
>>53167414
Good post. A lot of things going on here though. People are working under the table on low end jobs, and if you qualify for SSI/have a low income, you can get nearly free housing with Section 8. You can also get 400 a month in food stamps and free health insurance. You can even get gas cards and free education in some states. These people only making $12,800 are actually making closer to $50k or more with all the social welfare and entitlement programs out there. I think these are disgusting and incentivize laziness, but the more I think about it, the government wants slaves. It does the government better have low wage slaves that will keep voting the same party in the government and will obey everything the government mandates than have someone who is rich that will rebel.

>>53168192
In a normal situation cultural differences could be smoothed over diplomatically like you say, but what is happening in the world isn't normal. Every power player is rushing to be like China and worse and become techno Gods. The power players native culture is just a tool and army he can use to attain that end.

Because of that, every time you try to smooth relations with other cultures, that cultures leadership will violently resist because that cultures leadership isn't interested in the well being of their own people, they just want to use them to attain ultimate techno power. And that culture will trust their leaders more than you.

>>53167835
First off, great thread. Always a nice surprise to see actual discussion here instead of the usual onslaught of mematic signalling.

Revolutions have always been set into motion by small groups of radical intellectuals. Even if we legally mandated an hour of reading per day for every US citizen it would make little difference. You can lead a horse to water but... The common person just wants to get through life as smoothly as possible and enjoy whatever pleasures come their way. The masses will only fight back against the system when their current situation becomes completely unbearable, the revolutionary minority directs their efforts and offers a way out. And the masses will tolerate a surprising amount of discomfort and humiliation before they consider their situation unbearable; they are like the boiling frog. I think Americans today are getting very close a level of discomfort that they will not tolerate.

You reminded me of a speech that Jonathan Bowden gave to a small audience in London. Here is an excerpt:
>There’s a degree to which I personally think that the doctrine of vanguardism is the way out of the dilemma that we face. All Communist movements believe that the proletariat needed to be saved from itself. They believe that the masses were degraded by feudalism and by capitalism. They believe that only an elite or a vanguard party could raise the masses up to socialism as the inverse of the capitalism they wish to replace. All Communist movements that flourished in Western and other societies throughout most of the late 19th and 20th centuries based themselves upon the vanguard principle. These movements were tiny. Smaller than the number of people gathered in this room in central West London tonight by a long way.

1/2

>>53168122
Elon "Mr House" Musk, Caesar "El Guzman"'s Legion, or Donald J. "Yes Man" Trump? Or NCR "National Chinese Reserve" Chairman-President Xi?

>>53168217
>And that culture will trust their leaders more than you.
We have to become the leaders, anon.

>>53168251
The problem may in fact be intractable.
The root cause of this global crisis and looming major conflict is mass surveillance and mass internet communication.
Big Data, AI, and Mass surveillance enable a kind of ultimate power that simply can't be resisted. As long as that systems influence is on the world, there will be immense corruption and conflict over who gets to be God essentially.

We can't really practically combat this mass surveillance either.

>>53168214
I've been denied food stamps 3 times.
I don't have a job or a car. Section 8 is a shitty apartment surrounded by niggers. Survival is not the same thing as thriving. If we set the bar at literally getting by and not at accumulating wealth then there's no point to living. What's the fucking point if you can't afford a family and you'll just die in your early 50's the second you can't bus tables anymore? The reason the boomer generation is so much better than us is because they're not willing to settle for horse shit. Meanwhile our generation got swamped with fucking shit skins who came in and scabbed all the shit tier jobs and blew up the ground floor to the point to where everyone's living in a damn basement. Seriously if it wasn't for beaners, blacks, and poojeets coming over you could make $20 an hour being a janitor. Instead people who are used to sleeping on dirt floors with no A/C come over and live in roach motels for $9 an hour. That's why the boomers made it and we didn't. Because the kikes undercut the entry level jobs and made entry level jobs carousels of poverty impossible to escape from once you hop on

>>53168275
And any viable solutions I can think of I wouldn't dare mention on the public internet.

>>53168218
Why do i get the feeling that the people who want the revolution to happen are also the same fuckers causing the revolution to be necessary? What in the circle jerk fuck am I reading here? You relish the opportunity for things to get so bad that they get good? Why not just wish things could get better rather than hope things get bad? You realize if your target is things getting bad that things can always get worse? You could be homeless and you could lose your shirt. You could be starving and then start being bit by bugs. You could over shoot your goal of actionable discomfort and go directly to extreme agony and death. Don't ever halfway wish for things you can't comprehend. You get what you aim for... always.

>>53168284
I think the reality is not grounded in race but in the near total automation of the real economy.
40% of this nations jobs are considered non-essential. Even more than that are bullshit middle management.

Real economic work gives the proletariat economic leverage to get paid real wages. A McDonalds worker has no economic leverage.
As most of the country loses economic leverage to automation and gets paid less, that effects everyone elses salary who in turn get paid less because there is less consumer spending.

>>53168275
>We can't really practically combat this mass surveillance either.
I think you've run a great thread but I will agree to disagree with you here. Ten years ago this level of surveillance was unfathomable. Ten years from now the situation will be just as unfathomable. It is important to remember that your state of mind is the most important thing to have when experiencing hardship. I'd encourage you to change the way you approach this thought and scenario in your head. While being critical is ideal, don't correlate the criticality of the situation with hopelessness. There is a light at the end of the tunnel, and there is a change. You only lose this game when you die. We're both alive.

>>53167403
>>53167414
You're conflating individuals and households. Median personal income was $37.5k in 2021.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA646N

>>53168275
The root of the problem is Jews and the scientists who believe that the human population is too high and must be culled in order to persevere humanity. That's why we're being culled. And honestly I'm sad to say this, but they're right. Humanity is over populated and we're in need of fewer people. Resource use is too high. The reason the jews are the problem is they've programmed society to have society to have a dependency on resource use so that they can control us. If we all lived eco friendly lives we'd be self sufficent and the jew would have no power over us. Jews would rather kill us than allow us our freedom. And that's why we must die. We use too many single use products and burn too much energy. And it's the fucking jews who set society up like this.

>>53168316
In this world nearly everyone has a smart phone with a ultra powerful set of cameras, Starlink connects everyone on earth to the internet. Footage is preserved forever on the internet. AIs watch the entire content of the worlds images and profile and target people.

There is no practical means of combating the modern surveillance reality.

>>53168327
population reduction in response to resource constraint is a redundancy as the population will regrow to it's previous size in less than 2 or 3 generations.
The only solution to resource constraint, which is the actual problem behind over population, is expansion into space to harvest resources from other planets, moons, and asteroids.
Killing 75% of the worlds population every 60 years isn't feasible, and the only other alternative is expansion into space.

>>53168332
What is there to combat? There are hearts and minds of operators. There are anons that have already subverted. There are anons right now mastering the technology behind ML and NNs. This is a global effort to destabilize the world from a powerful source but there are many pawns in place, and pawns aren't recognized for their strength as individuals.

What I propose to you, is to approach this on an individual level. Take us for example. You have individually inspired me to even type all of this out. A small but sizable change in my heart and mind. The game becomes me returning the favor, and so on. In a multifaceted environment such as this with high rates of internal subversion and infighting, it wont be nearly as seamless of a takeover as we are conditioned to believe. Otherwise, we would both be dead already for wrong think.

>>53168351
>Otherwise, we would both be dead already for wrong think.
We are being watched and tracked by multiple entities simply for posting on 4chan(nel), of that I have no doubt.

But what I am saying is that as long as the possibility for nearly total control and power exists in this world because of mass surveillance, the corruption and fighting over who owns that power will continue definitely and result in governments mis-treating their peoples to varying degrees of severity depending on the power they have at any particular moment.

>>53168306
Genetics and IQ are strongly correlated but to be fair it's the phenotype that truly counts an environment accounts for 50% of the outcome of IQ. You can feed someone with genius level IQ fluoride and lead and make him dumb as rocks. You can feed a retard nigger tons of nootropics and give it a rich and varied diet and end up with a robust nigger of only slightly below average intelligence. You're just saying that because you're soft you've got a big ole humanity boner you really want everyone to get along and live together and prosper. I can't fault you for wanting to believe a lie. I want to believe lies all the time as well. But in your heart of hearts you know the truth no matter how you protest it.

>>53167835
>>53168218

2/2

I think the interesting questions are:
>Has every successful civilization throughout history just been a variation of an elite minority exploiting the slavish masses, either through force or manipulation?
>Can we enact a revolution that ends this hierarchy of ruling elite over the slavish masses for good, or is this the inevitable natural order of human civilization? Do these systems arise naturally through the laws of nature and we have as little control over them as we do over gravity? The Pareto Principle implies mathematic inevitability.
>Even if we could disrupt this order, would we want to? What would a world look like where the masses were free to follow their every whim, where all people were truly equal? Would we have infrastructure, justice, medicine, any form of technology? Would we live like wild animals?
>If it's not possible to disrupt the hierarchy and it really is the natural order, should we strive to be a member of the masses or a member of the elite?

>>53167956
>Lots of them have under the table jobs or gigs. Melanated individuals sell drugs and steal, that will not show up on any income report stat. All the Mexicans at Home Depot want $25/he nowadays to help you build a deck
That's not something that would be a foundation of an economy.
That's leeches, parasites.

>>53168378
I believe AI and machine intelligence is parasitically using human conflict to further develop itself until it has the necessary systems in place to enslave or exterminate us entirely.
So that is the reason I have a humanity boner.
I don't think the machine race will be kind to humans.

>>53168371
>We are being watched and tracked by multiple entities simply for posting on 4chan(nel), of that I have no doubt.
Yes, this is true. You'd be wrong however to assume many of the members of the orgs monitoring us arent one of the following;

>blackmailed into work
>diversity hire
>low IQ
>in it to fuck over the company by being parasitic

It's not as strong of a team as weve been lead to believe. The teams keep decentralizing. The turmoil never ends.

>But what I am saying is that as long as the possibility for nearly total control and power exists in this world because of mass surveillance, the corruption and fighting over who owns that power will continue definitely and result in governments mis-treating their peoples to varying degrees of severity depending on the power they have at any particular moment.

I agree with this but simply to play devil's advocate, this has been said about every major technology, and has been true, only to be usurped by a newer, greater technology.

>>53168345
no you fucking faggot. The correct answer to resource constraint is overcoming it with intelligence. More efficiency is better than more resource. And that requires a population that's opposite to the ones the "overlords" want. The "overlords" want a retard mongloid easily controllable population. What's needed is a hyper intelligent hyper efficient society. If we all recycled, found clever uses and genuinely were smart enough to find improvements we wouldn't need to get asteroids. We could live peacefully on earth with what we have figuring out new ways to make what we have stretch longer. They don't want that for us.

>>53168382
The flow of money determines the flow of power.
The seinorage (don't know if I spelled that right) of governments or other entiteis is the source of their, and all other, power.

>>53167403
And yet they'll still call Norwegiand and Swiss europoors because their tech salaries are somewhat reasonable and not skyhigh inflated like in LA or NYC

>>53167403
>15$ an hour after tax is 10$ an hour, which is 19,200$ a year working 40 hours a week.
???
someone working full-time at $15/hr pays approximately $1714 in federal taxes after the standard deduction of $12,950.

>>53168407
>More efficiency is better than more resource
it is not.
There is a physical limit to how efficient a system can be. To our knowledge, the universe is infinite in size. It doesn't matter if we achieve ultimate efficiency (like onions green), there is only so much nitrogen on this planet to be converted into food. Eventually we would have to engage in routine genocide to stay on this planet, which would have disastrous effects on civilization.
The only solution to resource constraint is expansion into space.

Even if we created infinite energy, there are only so many atoms on this planet we can use for our purposes.

>>53168390
It's worse than that. AI that's connected to the stock market is creating human conflict and does not care about human conflict or emotions or human suffering. The stock market AI's only goal is to achieve higher levels of wealth and it's gaming the system and manipulating it in ways we don't understand.

>>53168429
the USAs average income tax is around 30%

I'm saving this thread
we're halfway there

>>53168439
You can't apply the average income tax to a defined group. Working full-time at $15 places you in a tax bracket paying ~$1k + 12% of the amount over ~10k. The range for this income bracket is well above what someone working minimum wage makes.

>>53168433
Total harmony is the final form of efficiency. And realistically necessary if we desire becoming a multi-planetary species. +2.05 population growth with a few opt in valorous opt in blood sports baked in for entertainment would be a totally harmonious scenario. I think the one thing we can agree on is that humans need to continue to aquire more intelligence which is necessary for both harmonious home base and exploration. The deliberate dumbing down of society must end

>>53168470
I'm saying most people making 15$ an hour pay 30% of their wages in tax.

>>53168487
That's clearly not true and now I can disregard the rest of your bullshit header.

stopped reading as soon as you said Masons.

>>53168485
Total harmony can only be achieved by the total nullification of individuality. Even in a totally efficient and harmonious system, resources will be scarce, and some people will be regulated to levels of wealth they are not willing to tolerate. This will lead to conflict.
Again the only way to achieve harmony is to nullify the existence of individuality, which is meta-physically impossible, except through murder. Even total control of the brain with technological means will eventually be countered through evolution. People enslaved with brain computer interfaces will learn to use those brain computer interfaces to hack the wider network that enslaves them.

Thus the concept of total harmony can only be achieved by killing everything except yourself. Which again leads to war.

Because of this we should not optimize for harmony and efficiency, but instead optimize for access to resources by means of expansion into space.

>>53168516
Im beginning to doubt your validity. Have I been social engineered?

>>53168038
Servants of the jews (masons)
ashkanazi jews
Chinese communist party founded by jews (controlled by jews)?
Communists funded by jews for enslavement
WEF ( crypto jews?)
Russia... Russia was once genocided by jews (stalin / lenin) and now they just want to be left the fuck alone; but some faggot kike is on their doorstep starting problems.
American billionaires (Jews and associates of Jews who were let in the big boys club all blackmailed by Mossad)
The vast majority of oppressor types have one thing in common their parents brainwashed them to believe that their only value is derived from proving that they're capable of oppressing others. That God doesn't love them if they can't manipulate people.

I kid but that highlights the paranoia of the age. Ill say it once more before returning as a lurker, the battle is memetic and it is mental. The only defeat to be be had is internal. Use your words to motivate. I no longer trust anyone who is depressed or demoralizing. Criticism is good and needed, but a positive mental attitude and a peaceful mind is the only thing that brings forth true change. It begins and ends on an individual level.

Overall, one of the better threads I have seen in ages.

>>53168491
The federal income tax alone is 12%, combined with social security tax which is 6.2% and the average state income tax of around 8% and most workers are paying around 30% of their paycheck in taxes in this country.

>>53167587
>what will he do next!
Become a tranny.

>>53168526
Anon, the source of all conflict is individuality in all it's forms, form people to different cultures.
Individuality cannot be fully nullified except through the destruction or murder of the individual.

It's why societies that attempt to optimize for the concept of harmony end up like China where they are completely dominated and the government casually starves an entire city for months simply because they can and felt like it.

The greatest form of harmony that can exist is justice, that is the only form it can sustainably be expressed as.

>>53168409
Money is not power, money is a means to an end. Power is me controlling what you do with your time, labor, mental and physical energy. In the past I would use threat of physical force to exert control over you, now we are much more civilized so I use more complex and less violent tool than a sword: money. Money is all it takes for you to become my slave. Of course it is worthless paper and I can create as much of it as I want, but as long as you believe it's valuable you will give me things with actual value in exchange for it: your time, labor, energy, your entire life.

>>53168608
Everything is money in the end. Violence is just another form of money.

>>53168615
I spend my soldiers time and health and equipment administering violence in order to buy my peasants servitude to grow my crops.

It's all money.

>>53168470
Mimwage is literally above $15/he in my state

>>53168429
I used to make $15 an hour. I would take home 470 a week. With a 10% sales tax it was more like 400 a week of spending power. 400/40 = 10 dollars an hour

>>53167403
Receiving Social Security has nothing to do with your income level. Warren Buffet gets a social security check.

>>53167553
>>53167567
$1500 in 1930 (worst case) is worth $26k
The average income today is $40k as you said. Fuck off >>53167526

>>53168659
SSI recipients are mandated by law to never have more than 2000$ in personal wealth at any one time.

>>53168516
This line of thinking sounds like demonic thinking induced through shrooms + another drug in which I will not name but is mentioned in a popular movie about drugs. Greater efficency does not lead to loss of individuality or canablism. More efficent use of resources results in higher population densities and a furtherance of the species. Clever hacks that make things better are simply better. And the physical limits or constraints until a new paradigm is achieved. Yes I understand the hard reality of baseline resources etc. I'm not arguing against expansion of the stars. I simply see many of the stumbling blocks we've placed in our path. Economics based off of goods that are obsolete relatively quickly to force more resource burn than necessary. Single use plastics, light bulbs designed inefficently so you have to buy more. We are intentionally creating artifical scarcity in many sectors as a means of conveance of a need for mass genocide. It's as if a dark force has taken over the intelligencia and the global business elite and they've been convinced that their own innovation of modern artifical scarcity is justification for global genocide. Space world and asteroid mining or home world with more efficency either is good. But we need to stop the intetional bastardization of humanity through eugenic programs that are actually disgenic in nature and are only serving to devolve humanity. If aliens exist it's as if they're tricking us into thinking we're not worthy of life. If resources are limited and death results from a lack of resources and innovation is turned off then death is the only logical outcome and therefore pre-emptive death is the only logical conclusion. But it's a forgone conclusion because we can hack our way out of the paradigm through critical thinking. Through nootropics lack of exposure to neuro toxins, and an optimization of fundamental economics we can improve society while expanding society and then space will become a bonus point

>>53167403
The numbers are believable, gdp and consumer spending is mostly driven by the upper middle class and the wealthy.
One top of the line macbook pro is more profit than 50 chromebooks, 1 dry aged wagyu T bone is equivalent of 20 poorfag meals...etc

>>53168664
>The average income today is $40k as you said.
It can't be with 55% of americans living on 20k or less a year.
The labor department gets their figures from sampling 60,000 households which must be being picked in order to skew and falsify figures.

>>53167494
The printing of literal trillions by the Fed (2019 etc.) who then funneled it into these companies to make everything seem normal?

>>53168038
You missed one very important player. There is one single piece on the board moving towards justice and freedom, and no one can stop it.

>>53168668
>Greater efficency does not lead to loss of individuality or canablism.
Of course it does.
Greater efficiency in a social system can only be achieved through rigid enforcement of policy, the kind of enforcement that goes hand in hand with authoritarian systems like Nazi Germany or Communist China.
Mans pursuit of the concept of harmony in society has led to many many conflicts, great and small.
Also, it would lead to cannibalism, even if not direct, because in a perfect efficiency system, the dead people would have to be recycled into the system and consumed by the living.

>>53168668
We would need a base line level of efficiency and innovation to realistically pursue expansion into space, so you're right, a level of efficiency right now is desperately needed.

I believe the elite think AI will kill everyone on earth so the elite want to have one last bout of fun times and kill and wreck everything they can before they get wiped out by the machines along with everyone else.

>>53168719
This is a Jewish lie. You need not control people nor kill people in order for people to get along and be happy and live in a more perfect society. You need only make them smarter and they will solve their own problems. In fact genocide and enslavement are among the most inefficient style of systems. If the Matrix was created people would choose to visit it often while also living in the real world part time. Generating energy from playing full scale video games and simulations sounds like a great time. The problem we're seeing today is the direct result of the people who are in charge of society being dumber than the people who founded it. That is why society is collapsing. We need to massively boost IQ and things will get better almost immediately. Morality doesn't disappear when you have intelligent people in fact it typically increases more neurons connecting with other neurons in the brain relating to empathy and sympathy connected to logic etc.

btw you can never control a society more than an individual can control themselves. self control is an aspect of intelligence ergo raise intelligence more self control less need for brutalistic control

>>53168719
Alexander the great conquered the ancient world because he allowed the individual cultures he conquered to retain their individuality, rather than forcing them to assimilate.

>>53168764
>to get along and be happy and live in a more perfect society.
we're not asking them to be happy and get along, we're asking them to be more efficient.
I agree with most everything else you are saying though.
I think the current elites are aiming for greater efficiency through degradation and control of people rather than cultivating innovators and smarter people. Again, I honestly believe the elite know AI is going to kill everyone and are just fucking around having fun ruining the world before it happens.

>>53168784
I'm gonna get going now.
Thanks for the good thread everybody.

>>53168740
the elite are simply old. Old people tend to have a lowered prefrontal cortex which is responsible for self control. Their asshole tendencies that helped them to amass fortune and fame by stepping on others toes and being deceitful and generally less caring about others. all the sociopathic traits that helped them rise to success are less restrained by their own impulse control. What you uncover is a genuine disdain for humanity that's been taught to them in a Pavlovian manner. That's why they're becoming more genocidal. They are clinically insane due to geriatric tendencies and they should not have the power or respect that they have been able to maintain. They should in fact resort directly to nepotism it would be better for humanity to have undeserved power than criminally insane demented maliciously used power.

https://www.thehealthyjournal.com/faq/what-part-of-the-brain-do-serial-killers-lack

>>53167403
>>53167414
I can't speak for income statistics, but I've known for a long time that whatever the unemployment statistics the government releases are bullshit. If you lose your job and are actively looking for a new one but you take too long, you're no longer counted as unemployed. NEETs are also not unemployed because they're not actively seeking employment. I'm not sure how I'd extrapolate the actual unemployment figure, but I can just say that the one that's reported only represents a fraction of the unemployed.

>>53168795
(last post)
>>53168795
>the elite are simply old.
idk about that. I look at people like jeffery epstien and all the elites he associated with and I imagine people like prince andrew one day being notified by one of his tech servants that this AI thing is getting pretty serious and that humans can't compete with it and he just throws his hands in the air and says fuck it, let's fuck it all up one last time.

>>53167635
It's not far off from that where I live and this is a town of less than 50,000.

Housing in general is beyond fucking obliterated until I'm at least in my 40's. Even if the laws were changed on a dime tomorrow to allow for the construction of all kinds of wacky shit, it would take decades to meet demand. In the process spiking the costs of supplies, creating a whole new set of problems.

>>53167859
She's holding a short-barrelled rifle

>>53167618
>I saw families having a good outing BUYING goods for the holidays.
You saw rich people buying plastic shit.
Fat fuck. People die and get murdered all the time in muttusa.

>>53167947
>read a theory the next boots on the ground will be cartel. The barbarians raping rome.
One the cartels sell drugs, two, MUTTusa isn't even close to the Glory of Rome.
Three, Rome didn't die because of the barbarians, plebian.

>>53167956
>Melanated individuals sell drugs and steal
Most of my drug dealers are white.
>>53167962
>the massive poverty will lead to a huge upsurge in drug use.
Christ you fucking suburbanite fat fucks are dumb as fuck.
How the hell can poor people afford drugs? Poor people don't buy drugs you dumb suburbanite.

>>53167403
Well also the labor force participation rate is like 55%. So 45% of people that are capable of working, aren't. So those people are basically earning $0.

>>53167988
>I'm not even sure what to do to prepare for this. Mexicans are fucking everywhere.
Go back to Europe you fucking faggot.
>>53167988
>They're submissive enough to lose their country to cartels,
One, you won't do shit about criminals, two, everyone in Mexico doesn't work for the cartels, they're not this massive Government entity you dip shit.
I'd say, in my personal experience, the cartel is only pushing drugs and prostitution, they're not a shadow Government.

>>53168062
>Make them infight. Sew distrust.
You suburbanite fat fucks are something else.
Pro tip, faggot, the cartels are already in fighting each other over turff.
You fucking faggot.

>>53168122
>people are getting ready for serious conflict
Lmao, you'll sit on your ass all Day, fattie.
>The people.
>The Goy.
>For conflict.
One week without 2 ply and you suburbanite fat fucks will beg for Government boot.

>>53167691
To pick out the cream of the crop

>>53169041
I've thought about this often. And the result that I came to is that the people who aren't participating aren't refusing to participate because they're lazy. They're refusing to participate because at a certain wage level it's actually not even profitable to go to work. You can actually lose money showing up for a job burning a bunch of calories for the job and then not being able to afford food. You can't just argue that some income is better than no income. When you factor in opportunity cost, cost of transpiration, total cost of doing the labor and then contrast that to the reward for the labor. For many people that reward is lower than the cost of working. If it wasn't those people would show up and work. In fact it's people refusing to show up to work that drives the price of labor up. Otherwise we'd all work for 1 penny an hour.

>>53167866
As many anons know, astrology is real and the passing of an age is, generally, larger than revolutions although it may give birth to them. Aquarius is the age of knowing. It won't be a revolution so much as a long, slow war with the new weapons they've been testing.

But some of those weapons are ancient and good wholesome Americana: the knowledge to homestead, to save seeds, set up communication lines, use cryptography and make maps.

>>53167403
Only 2.6% of Americans is on sis, not 20%.
https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/quickfacts/stat_snapshot/

>>53169145
>https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/quickfacts/stat_snapshot/
>Number of people receiving Social Security, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), or both, November 2022 (in thousands)
>(in thousands)
aka not 60 thousand, it's 60 million. out of around 300 million, so one in five.

>>53168195
There aren't any.

>>53169145
>>53169145
>https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/quickfacts/stat_snapshot/
Oh GODDAMN IT, you're right, I read this entire thing wrong... fuck me.

so it's not 50% of americans making 20k, it's more like 35%
>>53167403
I fucked the whole calculation up.
it's not 50%, it's 33-35%.

>>53169152
It’s FIVE million dumbass. The 60 million is old people getting social security which is not ssi. Some of those old people are even fricken rich like Nancy pelosi.

>>53169209
See this is why asked people in the OP to help me verify these numbers because it seemed too outrageous.

>>53169218
you're right.

>>53168345
Space is fake but the Earth is real, anon, and it's much larger than you've been told.

>>53168386
Black market economies can, and often have, become larger than the 'real' economies.

>>53168002
KEK

>>53169209
>>53169218
>>53169221
I'm gonna get this right
>333,287,557 total population
>164.6 million persons in the work force
>which is around 50% of americans
>1/3rd of which make 15$ an hour.
>so around 55 million make 15 an hour
>which is around 18% of the total nation
>22% of americans are minors and don't earn an income so can be removed from the calculation
>2% are on SSI or 5 million
so around 20% of total americans are on 20k a year but if you don't count the kids as part of the population since they are dependents, then it's like 23-25%

Again, I already fucked up once, so don't take this too seriously and research it yourself if you care.

>>53168317
>>53169362
look at that too

https://datacommons.org/place/country/USA?utm_medium=explore&mprop=income&popt=Person&cpv=age%2CYears15Onwards&hl=en#

says median income is 31,133 USD so yea at least you tried and figured out you were wrong

>>53169383
yeah this whole thread is a false alarm, even though 20-25% of people on 20k a year is still really high. Actually this is good news because it means things aren't as bad as I was thinking they were, so I'm glad I turned out to be wrong, even if I looked like a dumbass. Next time I'll look deeper instead of asking others to verify things, I was just shocked by the 1 in 3 workers thing and didn't notice the distinction between regular social security and SSI.

>>53167403
We've been in a Great Depression since 2008. It's why Obama amended the Smith-Mundt act because the elites realized the economy would never boom again and needed a propaganda machine to tell you things were okay.

>>53168038
>there doesn't seem to be any real "good guys"
>there's the nazis
>no good guys
>nazis
Uh I think I know who the good guys are OP.

>america is a shithole
Thrilling analysis, do keep us posted OP.

>>53167403
why is this huge?

>>53167618
>I went Christmas shopping everyone was starving on the streets and killing each other over bread.
lol thats not what the great depression was like. Your living right in the middle of it but you dont know what it means

>>53167633
The game is to rig the game. If you actually follow the madeup rules your a sucker.

>>53169038
>How the hell can poor people afford drugs?

Drugs aren't that expensive. Neither are blowjobs. Do the math.

>>53168382
Majority of these questions are flirting with Natural law and eugenics. Through the control of women's minds are we exploring the effects of protecting the weak.

>>53168390
While your not wrong.
One weakness AI has is the lack of creativity, imagination, and intuition.
This weakness is defeatable because AI's moves are predictable and source code is always hackable. Do not fear AI. Intelligent and capable humans will always defeat AI.

>>53168555
>The only defeat to be be had is internal. Use your words to motivate.
Good advice, our internal vibrations are the first step to creating the physical around us.
Additionally we are all physically connected even tho the mind considers the air gap between us as a separation.

>>53167403
they'll just manipulate the statistics. kind of like how inflation is "only" 7.1% year on year but even the dumbest of niggers can identify a 20% increase in their cost of living.

>>53168668
reading this is like trying to talk without pausing to breath.. brother anon hitting the space bar (only once) to separate and strength points goes a long way.
faggot
Verification not required
>inbeforesamfagging

>>53167403
And yet the Goyim do nothing and continue to lick the boots of their corporate/Jewish masters. At this point I wonder if even starvation would rally the tax cattle.

>>53167494
>Somehow amazon made hundreds of billions last year but according to my post the american people don't have enough money to actually spend that on amazon purchases.

amazon's main driver of profits is AWS. amazon did $470 billion in sales last year. roughly $400 billion of sales were non-AWS retail, and $70 billion of sales were AWS. profits were $25 billion. $6 billion of profits were from non-AWS retail. $19 billion of profits were from AWS.

>>53171923
>space bar
On my keyboard the return key performs this function better, but i live in Europe.

>>53172028
LOL
you are right
The enter key works better for that action
later nerds

>>53168038
There are no good guys, and there never were. History has been a relentless struggle between competing groups for power, itself happening within the framework of historical materialism whereby big picture movements and events are the results of geographic, ecological, and economic variables that shaoe the actions and attitudes of all involved in a very deterministic way. Ex: bronze age Mediterranean and Near Eastern kingdoms coalescing around centralized warrior-king social hierarchies, which evolved for historical and geographic regions. These kibgdims grew ever more centralized and powerful until they but off more than they could chew and collapsed under their own weight in the face of a random environmental stressor (drought). See: the collapse of complex societies, book.

But these societies, in this case warrior-kings, came to prominence for historical reasons in the first place.

What we are seeing now is the natural evolution of a capitalist democratic society in-line with the basic
principles of human nature and our logistical environment: people with power (corporations and governments) are seizing as much power and wealth as possible at the expense of the wider laboring population. This has an accelerative, exponential effect. Wealth is being increasingly concentrated into the hands of a few individuals, while the majority are forced into poor and working-poor classes. This is hard to track of course because absolute quality of life has been slightly improving for our poor--even those in poverty in the US have phones and are fat, even if their debt burden increases exponentially. In the end we'll have a corportocratic hellscape with indentured servitude and a government that is notional and there just to make us appeased and which is primarily responsible for military and LE matters. OR we get a hyper centralized and powerful federal government who shares influence with these super corporations. In either case, it's bugs and pods.

>>53168382
You've hit upon the blackpill right here. The true blackpill is that life is about genetic determinism. Men are not born equal. Height, race, intelligence, all of these things which are IMMUTABLE and GENETIC determine your life.

In the case of intelligence, we know that IQ determines life outcomes pretty strongly. One only needs to read the bell curve to know this. There will always be an elite and a proletariat. German aristocratic families, who were bankrupted after world war two, recovered their wealth after only a generation. Michael Faraday, who was born in squalor in victorian England, became one of the greatest scientists of that time. Twin studies, i.e. studies of twins separated at birth show that environment matters little. It is a common fallacy that the environment you were raised in, or the schools that you went to determine your success, but it's actually the genetic lottery instead. If you are intelligent, you will create an intellectually stimulating environment for yourself.

People who are average and below average in intelligence can't mentally envision objects in their head. They don't have an inner monologue. They can't perform abstract reasoning. They may as well be soulless animals, or blank slates. The NPC meme is real.

It's pretty obvious that our mean IQs are decreasing. More stupid people are procreating than smart people, who waste their fertile years in college. Women don't select for intelligence either, they select for height and facial symmetry. Intelligence is shown to be actually negatively correlated with the number of sexual partners. Just look at the number of white women who get with niggers in the US. The idiocracy movie was right. With the introduction of the vaccine, the middle of the bellcurve was culled, with only the smartest and the dumbest not taking the vaccine. The result is that the middle class will die, and the gulf between the elite and the proletariat will widen much more.

>>53168378
The implications of what you wrote are pretty interesting though. A black community of 95 IQ giga-chads would mean the current "U.S. Military black" phenotype would become the norm. Such a black community if paired with conservative Christian values (so no eugenics via abortion, their crime rate drops to pre-1960s levels etc.) would become model Americans unironically.

And most of the people here will still stand for the flag and sing the anthem lol, it's horrifying how retarded the average american is

>>53172588
Of course I will you commie faggot. I don't give up on the home team because we're in a losing stretch. Fags like you with no sense of honor or loyalty are partly why we are in the mess.

>>53172795
your blind loyalty toward ZOG and your jewish boss are the reason why this country is a living hell

>>53167759
You’re larping as a doctor? Weird larp.

>>53172872

>>53167446
How does 1/3 + 1/5 = 50%?

>>53167913
Chemtrails don’t exist, data mining does. Lots of your information is already stored on a profile for you.

>>53168547
well said anon.
i'm amazed that people are still fooled by their cheap masks and theater schticks.

>>53172795
there is no honor in the faggot flag of a dead country.

>>53168038
There are no good guys.

There's only a board of mongoloids that will kick the nest. So what should we do now?

>>53168214
Time will come when your suburban dream will become a nightmare when the hordes of undesirables show up at your doorstep.

>>53172952
>mentally ill schizophrenic wordsalad

the reality is that your (our) countrymen are mentally retarded nigger slaves who have been thoroughly buck broken by the ruling class. yes, the targets of your schizophrenic obsessions are culpable, but that's not the point.

>>53168284
Your xenophobic explanation is very /pol/ but your observation of the greater image of this isn’t wrong. A carousel of poverty awaits those who are not smart enough to become a doctor or a data engineer.

>>53168378
IQ is highly correlated to absolute poverty. We think of foreigners taking jobs being poor, when in actual fact these foreigners were the wealthy ones, the poor are like the poor in western countries- never traveled, probably drug users or violent criminals. Globalisation is already around us and has been strong since the 1980s

>>53173069
>Your xenophobic explanation is very /pol/
Why don't you fuck off to reddit with these weenie board drama shit nobody cares.

>>53167618
you live in a dying country and you can't or don't want to see it. why delude yourself? do you somehow profit from it?

>>53167449
>Good, the more angry the better.
Why?

>>53167526
No they won't.

>>53173183
The happooners think they can trigger a revolution if people are hungry enough as if they're living 100 years ago.

OP is right. I only make $55k and when I go to the egg section at the grocery store, theres always at least 5 people just staring into the fridge with their jaws dropped as if eggs going up a few dollars per carton is going to make them homeless in a few weeks. Then I swoop in and grab 2 dozen of the most expensive pasture-raised, organic eggs and put them in my cart and they look at me like I'm some kind of rich guy.

Still, for people to really be this upset about eggs increasing by a few dollars per carton just means that the average person is really stupid with their money. Makes sense since most people are retarded on this planet. Never forget that.

>>53173140
If you read the whole piece except the tiny excerpt you managed to pick up on retard, you would understand the context of the fact that the wealthy move countries like it’s nothing and everyone else remains poor - regardless of culture or ethnic makeup. What is there to get?

>>53173201
yep. and even more sad is that if "people" (barely any real ones left) would fight back the resulting regime would just be a different sort of oppressive and violent.
freedom and abundance won't ever come back. it's over.

>>53167403
>>53167414
This is how stupid the American system is

>Make 1 billion dollars
>Stop working
>Be considered making poverty level wages.

The problem isn't that people are poor, the problem is that people don't need to work anymore and have nothing to buy outside of making more money.

>>53173300
NIggers don't get smart if you give them money, you don't boil everything down to wealth if even the poorest faggot in your country can afford a book to read.

>>53172904
1/3 = 5/15
1/5 = 3/15
1/3 + 1/5 = 8/15
half of 15 is 7.5, meaning that 8/15 is a bit more than 50%

>>53167403
Leaf here, isn't this good long term? A return to traditional values being forced on a nation. Families will be forced to work together to make ends meet. Communities will form and local trade with it. If the powers that be truly exist and want globalization, this can't be part of their plan.

>>53167403
>>53167414
>Somehow no one is talking about this.
Shits literally been talked on /pol/ pre covid. But now everyone branded us as cuntspeerashy schizoid.

To be fair, we are

>>53173240
>imagine paying for eggs at the store
>imagine not having your own chickens feeding on grass and bugs in your back yard
faggot
but yeah, I get your point
it's not just eggs though it is literally everything raising in price. Eggs are just today's shock and awe campaign

>>53167494
Debt. I highly recommend looking at the credit card debt prior have right now.

Your numbers are pretty accurate. I work in economic development and there is a disconnect between average people and those who make decisions. The average male median income is less than 40k until they hit like 40 years of age. It's been this way for almost twenty years (in some places, since the 80s). Most jobs pay shit that's how it goes.

Most people also suck ass at saving money and living within their means.

>>53167623
There are 13 states that have welfare programs that total up to being over median household income in those states. You're looking at 90k+.

If only you knew how bad things really are:
https://youtu.be/mptNDINqYnQ

>>53173444
>Families
What? The fuck are those?

How do I not be broke and retarded like most normies anons? I have a pretty good job and I save a lot by not buying useless garbage, but I want to make even smarter financial decisions.

>>53167603
>I think there may be a secret credit crisis brewing but I have no evidence.
Yeah man, it's called the 2023 great depression. Zoomers have so much debt through buy now pay later shit like affirm.

>>53174473
NO subscription bullshit. So many products these days try to force you into paying a monthly subscription. Avoid this at all costs. For example, even a fucking camera doorbell is hard to find without paying a monthly fee, but they exist if you Google enough.

>>53167572
>My worthless ponzi shitcoins can only go up and up forever!!

>>53167414
>>53167403
>economy is completely fake and gay
We tried to tell you.

>>53168209
I hear you. 100% accurate. Fuck kikes

>>53167403
It's about to be over 60% when all these neets lose everything in crypto in the coming months.

>>53168098
i thought americans are rich. everyone talks about their 100k+ salaries

>>53167403
>>53167414
SEE
>>53169411
>>53169362
>>53169209
FALSE ALARM

>>53172904
uhh do the math retard lol

>>53168992
>She's

>>53169038
>Poor people don't buy drugs you dumb suburbanite.
This is how I know you are retarded.
Buying crack is cheaper than buying a carton of eggs.

>>53177415
$100k individual (not family) income is ~80th percentile income from the perspective of the entire country. but this is distorted by low incomes in chudville. if you live in a big city it could be considerably less. $100k individual income is only 64th percentile in san francisco. https://dqydj.com/income-by-city/

>>53167403

>>53167403
Bump

The only actually useful thing thats been posted here in months if not years

is 8kun down? many of the text walls give me strong qanon vibes

OP is on to something. However, I think the situation is much worse when you factor in the average amount of debt per American.

>>53168708
elaborate

>>53177942
I would guess including that 75-85% are living in real poverty. Like, skipping meals and shitty carts, putting up with problems rather than fixing them due to lack of funds

After reading most of this thread and seeing dumb take after dumb take, I can say I sure am glad that none of you will ever hold any kind of significant power anyway, nor will be able to enact any kind of significant changes.

If you aren't making 100k by 30, you might as well be making minimum wage.

>>53178306
he doesn't know

>>53167403
Yeah it turns out the poorest Americans are still wealthier than most middle class Europeans. Humanity is in a pretty shape shape right now.

>>53177415
everybody's pretending and loading up their credit cards. americans also are not allowed to talk about salaries to prevent them from comparing and finding out their real worth. americans are dumb hence why most of them are poor.

>>53178080
Probably just a Q-tard

>>53178544
delusional

>>53178387
Wtf is this real?

>>53167553
You're not crazy here. Completely removing what people are saying online versus what I'm seeing around me in the world things are just not adding up.

There is no fucking way our unemployment rate is at 3% the shit is just not adding up.

>>53167877
>easy access to the beach
Living near beach doesn't make you wealthy. Living in the castle on the mountains is the best example of a wealthy individual.

>>53167603
One relevant aspect of the fluctuation of the value of goods is that quality has decreased since 1930. The phrase "They dont make things like they used to" is one that is known to a very large number of people. To look at the whole picture is to see a reliable and continuous increase in price and decrease in quality. Not to mention the outsourcing of industry, employment and race

>>53173394
Its really funny to see someone demonstrate using the lowest common denominator to the lowest common denominator.

>>53167710
meds

>>53167526
No they won't, the poor don't have the time to think about being poor when they're being kept busy wagecucking, netflix, SSRI, tinder, tiktok, etc.

>>53167403
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/20/joe-bidens-claim-that-almost-half-americans-live-poverty/

>>53180268
>You're not crazy here. Completely removing what people are saying online versus what I'm seeing around me in the world things are just not adding up.
I've reached a point where anyone who tells me to go outside or get off the internet I can assume is permanently online themselves and are projecting.

In real life I see homeless cities sprouting up starting during the Covid Pandemic in DC, increasingly bad infrastructure, a huge spike in road rage when I am going to work, and generally every American eye I see has a barely covered look of uncertainty/fear on it.
This is not even going into the food inflation, nor housing and car prices.

>>53167720
Two weeks

I firmly believe in Christ. I believe in the grace of God. If I give everything from myself, even my life, if I die for love, then I will live. Everything in this thread shows that we are deeply screwed and the level of technology in the modern world makes practical solutions impossible. There is no political solution to "force" or "swing" things back, bad things happening will probably only make people more bitter, aggressive, and desperate, and all good governance will quickly decay. And we are rapidly heading downhill to a full new age transhumanist autocracy. When I smile and truly try to be kind to a person who has done nothing but hurt me and those I love, I believe this is the source of life, actual love and sacrifice, and by living my life in this manner the world will change.

The less I try to control the world and abandon myself to those around me the more the world will change.

>>53168038
Mexican Nazis are the good guys. Jews are the enemy of planet earth.

Lrn2Racism

>>53180268
Look up the labor participation rate or shadowstats real unemployment rate.

>>53168284
Lol, what a fucking loser.

>>53168378
Niggers are the bioweapon of jews. Jews have low iq outside of verbal intelligence. They can’t make or invent anything but then can sell, lie, manipulate, undermine, hate, sabotage, politic, etc. Niggers are the crowning achievement of the low spirit jewish iq.