/biz/ - Business & Finance

>290 baker is kill
Bullish.

shit thread, i wont be participating

Threadly reminder that dividends are irrelevant. If you want a bit of cash from your stocks, you can sell some.

/Lean hogs bros not like this...

>>53158977
Early baker has been dead for a couple weeks

>>53159001

E-Chads, we're winning! Based Vince McMahon

I'd like to invest a load into lauren boebert

>strong jobs numbers means line goes down
>weaker jobs means line goes up
Not putting a penny in this schizo market until rates are 0%.

Soft landing is actually happening.

>I can't believe we're going up when the difference was a rounding error!!!!!!!
Lmao bears are unbelievably retarded to say this after gloating for over a year every time the entire market shit the bed in unison when statistics were off by a rounding error. Maybe you fags got lucky during a year when Big Money decided to short the ever living shit out of everything with retard leverage.

>>53159018
If you say so

Baggies are slurping that heckin TSLA dipperino

How to invest in dick hardener pills n shit?

Is the recession cancelled again?

is there even any way to lose money with LABD? I just keep buying it whenever it goes below 18$ and it is literally free money every time

>>53159018
Stagflation here we come

I have eaten at Five Guys twice this week, and thinking about going again today.

How can I profit from this (as a bong).

>>53159036
TEVA

>>53159036
Whattup scoops, how's your SOXL doing?

>>53159018
GLIDE SLOPE CAPTURED

>>53159018
>Phillies lost world series
>Shemitah
>War suspended
>Euro market recovered
>Trump speaker of the house
Yea I'm thinking we are back bros

>>53159018
How do you define “soft landing”?
Salesforce just announced a lay off of 10,000 and Amazon just announced a lay off of 18,000

>>53159023
If you don't realize there is a massive relief rally coming and the bulls are just looking for any flimsy excuse to bum rush the market there is no hope for you

Stairs up

Elevator down

how women flock to me when they hear I invest in index funds following the bogleheads formula

>>53159001
I guess you could say his yeast is no longer rising

I hate Intel kikes so much it's unreal.

>>53159033
Jobs numbers have been strong every month in spite of rate hikes. Stocks were just overvalued and the stock market bubble was deflated by rate hikes.

>>53159043
No, inflation is actually almost back at 2% when annualizing MoM data. The market should be healthily green this year.

for the rally to be sustained there must be a rotation into tech. One of the few sectors that still has juice left to squeeze. Energy/financials/defensives are getting tapped out

Clown market.
How are earnings going to be good in a recession where wages are going down?
Consumers will not be shopping at all.
Earnings will be shit.
This is a scam pump but it can keep going for god knows how long.
The market will see anything as dovish for the fed but it will not actually be dovish in any way shape or form.

WHOA BLACK BETTY

GME is close to going under $15 soon hahahahaha

>>53159057
Amazon employs millions, 17k is nothing. Besides, tech isn't the whole economy.

>>53159062
how’d you train your hooker so well?
I only taught mine “sit” and “bend over”

>>53159012
Based. She has 4 kids so you know she likes to sex.

>>53159057
>>53159082

layoffs are bullish

>>53159017
>More jobs means more inflation.
Das it

>>53159073
There isn't going to be a recession, this is the start of a bullish recovery if not V-shaped recovery, not a scam pump.

You now remember SIGA and all the Monkepox shills

TSLL doing a lil smothin somethin

autismposted this in a dead thread so I'm posting it again, fuck you.

>>53158932
>NFP 223k vs 200k
higher than expected job adds but still a drop vs last month, softening economy = good for the fed
>unemployment 3.5 vs 3.7 expected
very strong labor market still, the fear here is strong labor = higher wages = more inflation = fed goes higher for longer with rates
>hourly earnings 0.3 vs 0.4 expected
small miss, sure, but the big news is the revisions to prior months, see >>53158713 (You) . these are absolutely gigantic revisions downward and it supplants whatever bearishness the above two data points would have inspired. nobody cares if labor is running hot so long as wages are cooling.
>ISM services 49.6 vs 55.1 expected
another biggie, services was seen as the last sector to resist cooling inflation but now it is in contraction for the first time in two years
>factory orders -1.8 vs -1.1 expected
good, more manufacturing softening
>four fed speakers lined up to talk this afternoon
unless any of them start reciting apocalyptic poetry or something, this will be a nothingburger just like bullard was yesterday
>M-W next week, zero meaningful data drops
means the runway is clear for blueballed retards to finally have fun for a few days and pump each others' bags.

Going short here is absolutely suicide (yes even after the 1% market pump since I last said this an hour ago). Reevaluate after CPI next thursday.

>>53159100
Why because consumers have LESS wages to spend on earnings lol?
Earnings bloodbath hasn't even started yet but it will hit in Q2.

>>53159066
Yeah, that’s what it looks like

>>53159082
>tech isn't the whole economy
Correct, but it (along with finance) is the front runner in recession impact
the jews are coming for you next

It's a soft-ish landing

>>53159114
The consumer already has tons of money, and inflation has gone down a lot since summer, so their real wages are fine.
>earnings bloodbath
There won't be one outside of tech.

>>53159098
>layoffs are bullish
layoffs are bullish for stocks, not the economy
GDP may still take a dip

Whats in store for this year anons, bull market or crash?

>>53159143
>GDP
is that a ticker? cause if not I have no use for it

>>53158994
>Lumber coming down
Nah, no fucking way. The only way it is coming down is if they factor in the fact that quality control has gone to actual fucking nothing. You will get a fucking load of 2x6 and half the fucking lumber is cull wood. It is honestly insane the shit they push now. You could not have sold the fucking lumber they are selling now even 10 years ago, it is actual fucking garbage.

>>53159113
CPI will be super bullish again as inflation is going down rapidly but the CPI pump got faded quickly. People just don't get how strong the economy really is and are still viewing "bad" news as good news. They view everything through the lens of an imminent recession rather than a tech bubble deflation and a soft landing.

>>53159149
Crab at 380

>>53159082
Amazon has reached maturity and is no longer a growth company yet it struggles to make money. Bezos has only known how to grow and the current management is basically unwinding all the stupid shit he did while he was in his hysterical "I'm king of the universe" phase

How long until this scam pump fails

Bros, I hope you switched to commodities for this is our year. Everything is rallying. Gold especially was an obvious choice for anyone with a brain. Even my steel stocks are going really well now with China finally coming to their senses

>>53159149
Crash

>>53159149
both, I hope, and then the exact opposite

>>53159168
tomorrow

>>53159113
The revisions are the most insane part to me, they're incredibly drastic when you compare the revised data to market sentiment at the time of the unrevised data being released. Everyone knows that the data will be revised to the point where the original release is useless, but we still pump and dump on it all??? Ridiculous

>>53159134
kek one green day and people are posting that the economy is fine like it wasn't all doom and gloom yesterday.

CEI is going up to $60 dollars or I'm dedicating the rest of my life to Nazism. your move kikes

>>53159169
Uranium chads will be victorious

SOXL good ticker but JNUG he is the mumu star

>>53159038
>is there even any way to lose money with LABD?
Biotech is one of the scammiest industries out there, so probably not. The business model for public biotechs is such pure dogshit. Dilution after dilution after dilution, always frontrun by shorts, always at lower valuations.
I'll never understand why our country prefers ATM offerings outsourced through banks over rights-offerings that allow shareholders to directly contribute future funding needs.

Tell me why I shouldnt buy MSFT when its this cheap baybeeee

>>53159169
>commodities
Except natgas and oil tanking lately. If commodities become too pricey via inflation then its time to rotate out.

>>53159190
>negotiating with terrorists
NGMI

>more jobs = less fed buying = line go down
>less jobs = more fed buying = line go up
They keep changing the rules of the game. All that matters is what their order books say their Put/Call Ratio is so JPM and BAC can move the market to their most profitable favor

>>53159187
The real economy has always been fine, the stock market "crash" was mostly just tech valuations coming back to earth. The Dow is only a tiny bit below ATH.

>>53159204
nigga just pay me off ion give a fuck

>>53159113
Post is still stupid. Bottom isn't in until unemployment rises. Wages growing less apicalyptically quickly is merely a sign that interest rate growth doesn't have to go on forever, it is not an indication that a reversal of policy is called for. Market is currently pricing in interest rate cuts by Q3 of this year which is obviously fucking retarded

thanks for making me panic sell my short positions, Im sorry for being mean yesterday.
Im buying more next week though when we're finally crashing.

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
DOKO DESUKA BOBOYARO

>>53159212
I was implying that you're trying to negotiate with terrorists

>>53159212
>asking a jew to part ways with money

>>53159199
Biotechs with multiple successful products can be decent investments but what you're thinking of are basically moonshots with 0 revenue which is 90% of biotech. Any company with 0 cash flow trying to promise an amazing new tech will have an awful stock that goes to 0.

>>53159222
I'm the White Suge Knight don't even fuck wit me

Yeah baby

>>53159202
I am not even considering natgas since that is a fool's game bc of its innate insane volatility. Luckily I managed to sell oil almost at its peak. I still think that oil is gonna get hugely manipulated this year and gonna get pushed to 90 at least but for now I am riding the metal market.
Sorry, when I mentioned commodities I pretty much only meant metals. Poorly put by me

Fuck tsla, lmao

>>53159230
Steve Knight?

>>53159238
Suge nigga

TSLA was so close to going under $100 lol

>>53159243
I'm implying th e white Suge would be named Steve or something

this market smells like cheese

>>53159256
NOOO YOU'RE GOING TO SUMMON THAT FOOTFAG POOJEET THAT FUCKS GRANDMAS.

wtf is going on?Any time that came out that caused this pump?

>>53158884
>We're not even close to hitting unemployment yet. Probably only 1/4 of the way down to its bottom. It hasn't even bottomed in the tech market which started layoffs much earlier than any other industry.

>Another indicator is the ISM manufacturing tends to bottom very close to the equities bottom
Thanks for the info anon

>>53159259
Thats probably not even the worst person posting ITT right now

>>53159235
Dividends do not matter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5j9v9dfinQ

Holy fuck I'm missing out on the start of the bullrun. I'm back in, 400 shares VTI. Let's see SPX 4500 this year.

>>53159250
>was

>>53159234
>pretty much only meant metals
I gotcha now. And yeah i think oil will hit $90 again this year and maybe one more touch to $100 but im not as sure about that. Inventories are higher now but production is starting to fall.

>>53159273
based

>>53159273
Dont bother arguing with dividend boomers. They're the same people that buy something on 50% discount after it was marked up.

>>53159268
*news,I have no idea how I wrote time instead of it

>>53159273
Yes. Better to buy a TSLA at 300 on the way down.

>>53159278
bruh I hope you're joking. There's no way you think this is anything more than a scam pump and dump. Sell all positions by end of session, this is your last warning.

Unironically bullish atmosphere, I can feel a bullrun coming.

>SPY pulling away from the crab line

>>53158884
Second question actually, is it even possible to define a bottom while you're actively in it? Or is it all done in hindsight? I'd think maybe 3 consecutive months of hovering around the local bottom would indicate you're in a long-term bottom of sorts but I could be completely wrong

>>53159268
Basically the job market is so strong that a recession isn't happening and things are starting to look better than expected.

its just too easy. How to up the difficulty?

>>53159304
As much as I want a bull run, the feeling caused by the +1.6% spy after weeks of red. I want it to last, but...

>>53159304
all the boomers have pulled their money out and are sitting on the sidelines.

>>53159273
Dividends are the only thing that matters. The only way to make money from owning a company is to take money out of the company to pay yourself. A well established business absolutely should be paying dividends.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

THANKS BUY PUTS FAG FOR THE BULL SIGNAL

>Cathie wood sells 99% stake of silvergate
LMAO. Does she actually know how to pick and value stocks?

>>53159304
It doesn't make any sense.When minutes came out few days ago the narrative from FED was even worse than that FOMC meeting that caused the dump previously

>>53159347
How does it work every fucking time?

looks like that's it for nvda, obv is decreasing again

>>53159341
A $1 dividend causes a $1 drop in the stock. You pay taxes on that dividend, causing a net loss.

>>53159278
>buying VTI above $175/share
LOOOL

>>53159212
why do you talk like that

>>53159341
Share buybacks have the same effect except they let the shareholder decide when they want to pay taxes.

A reminder to bobos to zoom out. We have yet to break out of the 200 day. Every time that has been tagged the market took another leg down.

>>53159360
You also pay taxes when you sell the stock, which is the only other way to extract value. I'd happily continue owning as many shares while also getting some value that I can either reinvest or use for something else.

>>53159353
that was then, this is now. fresh data supplants old data. what's confusing about that?

>>53159273
>Peer reviewed studies show
Oh FFS.
If I sell a stock for $1 I don't have the stock anymore, I just have a dollar.
Dividends are (supposed to be) pulled from quarterly profits. If I get a dividend for a dollar, the price of the stock drops by a dollar and then goes back up before the end of the quarer if the company is any good at all.
"This has a high dividend" by itself is a bad reason to buy a stock, that doesn't mean dividends are irrelevant or stupid.

>>53159381
You have to have zoomer levels of ADHD to keep up with all of this

I have insider information apple is about to shoot up, now is a good time to buy before it gets back to $130.

>Doesn't buy at SPY 379
>Doesn't buy at SPY 381
>Doesn't buy at SPY 382.45
SPY 382.50? BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY
Momentum traders. Whatera gonna do?

The only way I would care about Dividends is if I get enough to live off of it, but at that point you would have already made it so whats the point.

Fuck dividends

>>53159341
Yeah this is sort of true. If it was certain a stock would never pay out anything, the value would be zero

>>53159341
There are other ways a company can use its cash to benefit its shareholders. It can reinvest it in the business, keep it in the bank, reduce its debt, or buy back shares, for example.

LOOK AT THAT!

>>53159379
>paying taxes
lol kikes think they're gonna get my money

Time to load up on SQQQ my niggies

>>53159229
>Any company with 0 cash flow trying to promise an amazing new tech will have an awful stock that goes to 0.
Yeah, that's my point. Public markets are terrible for companies that explicitly require external capital for research and development.
Every round of dilution that a public company goes through is essentially just paying out past short sellers. There's so much front-running with zero relationship to the actual potential outcomes a company might achieve.

Much better to do that through private markets.
Of course, private market valuations have their own issues, with VCs rushing into repeat raises at increasingly stupid valuations to try and inflate their books by raising the "fair market value" on their books of what they funded in earlier rounds. That's pretty blatant right now, with companies like SpaceX doing tiny raises at all time high valuations at the same time that many growth stocks crumble, particularly recent SPACs/IPOs which are down 70%.

>>53159023
Are we looking at the same charts? I see SPY is actually higher than what it was half a year ago despite the economy being in worse shape and rates being much higher.

>>53159402
Yeah the ratio between how much stocks you would have to hold versus the amount of dividends you would get is massive. Kind of defeats the purpose cause if you had that amount of money to begin with you are already basically retired.

>>53159169
>>53159202
>>53159234
IMO energy will have extreme volatility, so we can see some huge swings to the upside still. If economy is still strong, pricing power for commodities will be strong.

It's mumu time. Post wh*te people music

>>53159381
Because the new data is mixed, not great. Wage growth being at 4.6% is not going to convince the fed to alter their policy, especially when unployment is rock bottom.

>>53159402
>Save 500k
>Make 75k a year on a 15% yield
Meh, not that hard just time consuming. I’m like 10% there after six months of investing.

>>53159402
>>53159427

You're not factoring in the fact that its equity generated from no labor, that is the true value of dividends. The world would cease to exist if everybody lived off of dividends, that is why its so difficult to do so.

>>53159427
You could get to a point where the dividends are a good supplement to your income anyway, even if it's not the full amount you need monthly. If I had an extra thousand dollars a month coming from my investments, that would be really nice.

>>53159373
Dividends are taxed at long term cap gains rates. That means for most people here a tax rate of ZERO.

>>53159444
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rHRd6Cl-tQ

Nice Trips

>>53159415
> not SDOW
it's like you're allergic to money

>>53159414
What money?

>>53159057
Oh wow 18k out of the 1500k employed

>>53159473
I can't even imagine earning less than 40k a year. I'm sorry if you do, not trying to be rude, but holy shit what are you doing with your life?

>>53159473
>general advice should cater to the fringe
come on man

Y’all niggas still in a pandemic economy fool

Whoa

>>53159396
> "This has a high dividend" by itself is a bad reason to buy a stock
That's what dividend irrelevance means. Yes, dividends are a valid way of benefiting shareholders, but so are buybacks and so forth.

>>53159500
>what are you doing with your life
Living outside of America

Recession canceled?
Also peep blackrock

>>53159500
I earn 41k

>>53159500
>but holy shit what are you doing with your life?
Not shitting in the street.
>I can't even imagine earning less than 40k a year. Not to be rude
In passive income?
It's pretty comfy. I also have a job, between passive income and my job I make six figures. I pay taxes on about 66% of my income.
Stop larping as richie rich, Pajeet.

>>53159475

>>53159402
This. Most divies are like 3-5%. With treasuries rising now I dont even want that from a company. Its going to have to get closer to 5-8% for me to be interested. 3-5% is great if you got billions and you can just collect tons every quarter like buffet does but its not any good for others.

>>53159018

Too bad inflation will come in hot on 1/12 and wreck all this rally

>>53159500
Kek you should go see antiwork threads. Some of them make less than minimum wage because theyre part time.

>>53159583
What part of GENERATIONAL BOTTOM do you not understand?

Alright anons, coffee made it's way thru me.
Watch the tickers while im gone, make sure it crabs til I get back.

>>53159571
Cap gains tax rate isn't based on your investment earnings alone, it's you're entire income. If you make 6 figures and only 30k in cap gains, you still pay 15-20% on the gains.

the SPX did ping pong to both ends of a range since the 16th of December, 2022.

>>53159603
You were saying that a month ago

>>53159583
>>53159603
daily inflation nowcasting

>100% cash

>>53159500
aren't you a virgin though who's never had sex
t. pussy master

>>53159620
Cause October was the low of the bear market; which is over. SPY new highs by EOY

>>53159620
>You were saying that a month ago
>generational bottoms only last a few days, goy
Lmao look at this coping bobo poster
lmfao you fucking retard
we're going to the gigamoon. join us or stay poor.

>>53159636
You'll cowards don't even buy.

>>53159612
>What is progressive taxation.

>>53159500
I lucked my way into what I would personally call a dream job, it pays $25-30/hour with 8-14 hour days but it's sort of seasonal and even during the busy season there's only work about 4 days a week so I end up with about $22k/year. The irregularity of the schedule makes it hard to pick up other work and I don't want to leave the job because it amazing. I can still afford to live a comfortable life so I don't see the use in chasing dollar signs but to each their own I guess.

>>53159632
>CPI listed as higher Q4 than Q1
Yeah this forecast is garbage.

>>53159636
cash is a position

I for one miss the retail buying spree of SPACs and wsb.

>>53159473
so... are these tax brackets for the sum of "capital gains" that you are filing or are these brackets representing your whole taxable income, of which some would be capital gains?
huge difference....

Lmao, seriously, fuck tsla

Wtf is going on

Europoors have no place pumping like that

>>53159696
whole taxable income

>>53159692
then buy CPUH, best SPAC out there.
source: trust me bro.

>>53159582
Or you just have a really generous 401k match that you're already vested.

>Well if you don't exclusively invest in dividend stocks you probably own TSLA stock
>It's literally, physically, impossible to take profit from a stock unless it pays dividends
the demented mind of a dividend boomer

My little Silvergate doing something

lol im not selling my inverse etf's

i know i know im just not selling lol hahaha

I like dividends because I'm lazy.

>>53159723
No 401k plan is going to pay out any decent dividends as the people who use 401ks arent going to ever have a portfolio worth billions.

>>53159473
if you earn 41k here in my country you pay 40% income tax
how the fuck are there even poor people in the US with those taxes lmao

>>53158951
>bbby down another 18% after dumping 25% yesterday
I fucking called it, bankruptcy is coming

Has anyone successfully inversed themselves in trading? Seems like I always know then a big move is coming but it's always in the opposite direction of what I think

>>53159766
VT right now is at a 3% yield

>>53159729
Harsh but correct.

>>53159778
Those are just capital tax brackets, though income tax is pretty generous at low incomes as well.

>>53159713
ty

>>53159802
Right, thats garbage. Thats my point. How much would you need to cover mortgage or food bills at 3% payout? Treasuries are over 3% and risk free.

>>53159785
I inversed myself correctly once, but I panicked and fomo'd out, and lost even more money.

>>53159571
>In passive income?
Total. Those tax rates apply to your total income. If you make 41k at your job, and then have 10k in long term capital gains (or dividends) you'll pay 15% on the entirety of those gains. It's about 30% less taxation than the 22% rate on general income in that same bracket.
Long term status becomes a more meaningful discount at around 160k+ total income, where the big jump to a 32% bracket kicks in for general income.
In most states that tax income, there is no difference between long or short term gains on those taxes owed. Remember that the initial debate was between buybacks and dividends, so any tax at all is a bigger hit to long term compounding potential than the 0% taxation that buybacks suffer. Technically there's an additional 1% buyback surcharge on US domiciled firms now thanks to Biden, so over the life of the company that could be upwards of a 1% reduction in the terminal value of your holdings. Still beats the compounding hit that DRIP fags deal with.

As for your other comments, I've never worked a minimum wage job in my life. Even my first internship paid $25. I understand that some people will always exist that work those low paying customer service jobs for whatever reason, but it's difficult to imagine why someone here, in this stock market general thread, would be one of those people.
and please don't confuse my with our resident toe sucker. Is he even employed yet? Pretty sure he's still a student - perhaps the only valid excuse to not have high income.

>>53159778
America is pro business and we tax capital gains less than income. Also google a roth ira and hsa. The best financial decision anyone can make it to move to America

>>53159837
And retire in a different country.

>>53159778
We do too, but it's hidden in payroll taxes and such.
>>53159729
>If you disagree with me you must think this extreme opposite position
The demented mind of a retard.

>>53159829
Because 401k is for investing for retirement. I.e. 30-40 years from now

>>53159778
If you earn less than 70k/year in the USA you are desperately poor.

it's still not too late to buy intel. i double doggy told you frens

>>53159877
Heavily depends where you live. Outside democrat cities you can easily live on $2 a month

>>53159754
> Doing some arithmetic and then pushing the sell button is too much work
Honestly, that's kind of a valid reason to prefer dividend stocks.

>>53159877
No you aren't, I earn like 80k and had plenty to invest in crypto through 2021 and came away a multimillionaire. You just need to not spend like a retard or have huge debts

>>53159882
>intel
gross
I can smell the PC pajeets from here

>>53159837
>roth ira and hsa.
A HSA isnt a great vehicle for investing and a roth is limited but yes America is structured for capitalists. Ever since its founding.
>>53159871
Right, thats not really addressing what we were talking about. That dividends dont help you unless you have a 8 figure plus account. Do you calulations of 3% per year on your 6k roth for 30 years and let me know what you get as a yearly payment for retirement. Its a monthly payment of 450. Gl paying your mortgage and bills with that.

>>53159896
>just 50x dood its ez dood
lol

>>53159890
>Outside democrat cities you can easily live on $2 a month
Have you tried leaving your house? Middle America isnt cheap anymore. Rent costs in the middle of nowhere are all over $500 and food is expensive because there is less volume.

FUCK THIS GAY MARKET

>>53159893
>Doing some arithmetic and then pushing the sell button is too much work

>>53159877
lol wut? I bet you think a single person spending $200 on groceries is normal or some shit. Probably one of those "muh $400 pants akshully are better" fags.

>>53159473
>>53159713
>>53159837
I've got another question.
Hypothetically, a sum of $10,000 of taxable capital gains in a year.
Household is in the 15% capital gains tax bracket.

Are these $10,000 of taxable capital gains now being taxed with a 15% percent capital tax alone, or are these $10,000 taxed with income tax AND capital gains tax ontop.

t. europoor

>>53159858
>We do too, but it's hidden in payroll taxes and such.
Most people don't realize how much their employer is paying into social security, medicare, and unemployment insurance behind their backs.
But to be fair, if you're counting all that as higher taxes on US workers, it's also a component in the cost of labor and effectively US workers are being paid even higher relative to eurocucks than it appears on the surface.

>>53159157
That brings up an interesting rabbit hole. Here's the CME contract specs for lumber futures:
>Each delivery unit shall consist of nominal 2x4's of random lengths from 8 feet to 20 feet. Each delivery unit shall consist of and be grade stamped #1 or #2 and Better. Each delivery unit shall contain lumber produced from and grade stamped Hem Fir (HF), Douglas Fir (DF), Fir Larch (FL), or Spruce Pine Fir (SPF).

They then go into autistic detail in section 6304 on page 4: https://www.cmegroup.com/content/dam/cmegroup/rulebook/CME/II/50/63.pdf

And for quality:
>The lumber shall meet the requirements of PS 20 or CSA O141 and shall comply with the requirements for inspection and reinspection of an agency accredited by the American Lumber Standards committee and/or Canadian Lumber Standards Accreditation Board.

Not gonna talk about dividends but I'm also not old enough to be called a baby boomer.

>>53159952
>luring /smg/ into futures
a-anon....

How much of this are we gonna give back next week

What would cause VIX to go back to 30 from here (21)?

>>53159900
HSA turns into a 401k without RMD
And backtest the roth ira over 30-40 years. You can easily retire making $3000 a month in the roth alone through VNQ or VT or VTI/VXUS

>>53159157
>Nah, no fucking way.

>>53159966
>implying it'd be bad for anons to end up buying traincars worth of lumber in some Chicago switchyard

>>53159212
/smg/ is a nigger free thread. Please see yourself out

>>53159972
Resumption of selling after the bobohobos get shaken out

>>53159939
Ad an American our capital gains and income is different. Capital gains are tax free up to $45,000 if you're single and $90,000 if you're married. Only after that does the 15% kick in

>>53159939
the $10k would be taxed at 15% only. it is not considered traditional income and wouldn't be taxed twice.

>>53159685
it's like being bottoms

>>53159998
isnt that only if you also have no income?

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>>53159980

he knows wood

>>53159974
>3000
Show your math. Even if you somehow get a 240% gain on the VTI like its done its entire life, 40 years of 6000 a year will never get your a 3% dividend rate equal to 3k a month. You need a portfolio way over 1 million. And thats by 40 years. So an old and handicapped you get finally do something. Most roths wont hit 1 million with just VTI.

I shoulda cleaned the lines up first on this but i think i did okay

Babys first bear market pump today?

>>53159877
So most americans are poor? Should call mutts ameripoors then lol

>>53159985
When you think about it cats do this to humans all the time and we are far more fucked in the head and violent than that black bear.

>>53160018
brother

>>53160025
use a financial calculator retard it's simple math any business student has done

>SOXL took off like a bat out of hell
Retard pump confirmed. There is zero reason to be bullish on semis in the next economic cycle.

>>53159328
Put in 10x as much money.

>>53159981
haha would be funny if the sawmill rejected that load of lumber just because they can haha

>>53160018
Bah gawd what the fuck?

>>53160048
I did the math right there and hes full of it. Im asking him to defend his claim.

>22% in 1 day
Apparently Vince McMahon's announced return pumped it through the roof

>>53160048
>>53160025
10% is a little high for 30 years straight, but for 40 years 7-8% is doable and youll still have a million. if you start with more than 50k you will easily make a million.

>>53160064

>>53159632
lol that rate of change downwards is pathetic with rates at 4%, we have a long way to go.

Why is VIX low key rugging even though volatility is high?Shouldn't it supposed to go up when there's volatility and direction in which way it is going shouldn't matter at all?

>>53160018
based

what is interactive brokers requirements for margin on writing puts? 10% of strike + premium? 20%?

>>53160092
Vol crushed after fomc minutes and jobs numbers. It will spike again on monday in anticipation of ceepee-eye

>>53160092
VIX increases with uncertainty. The bear market is over and we are going right back to making new all time highs so there is nothing uncertain. It’s definitely going to happen. All index will go higher it’s just a question of which individual stocks outperform as everything goes back up.

>>53160025

>>53160075
What will 40 years of inflation do? Will that 3% on one million be enough to cover expenses then?

>>53160122
40 years btw

>>53160134
Forty years from now having a million dollars will be like having 100k today maybe even less.

oooo! Cheapies!

>>53159952
Too bad they only deliver to Chicago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRF_S.A..
Give me a reason not to buy this
It is at its lowest point and surely Brazilians have to keep eating

>>53160115
>>53160118
This looks like a scam to me,nasdaq and other indices are up 2% which is quite a volatile move compared to what went on this week

>>53160151
okay then dont invest. ignore that stocks are the best hedge against inflation

>>53160075
>10% is a little high for 30 years straight, but for 40 years 7-8% is doable and yo
But he was talking about divendend stocks. Look at intel and at&t and let me know if you can get ever 7%. Divy stocks dont have growth.
>>53160122
Ok good. Like I said though, over 1 million. And 40 years. If you put in 1 million into that VT you mentioned, you arent getting 3%. VTI is the same. The point is divy stocks are terrible unless you have billions and even then its better to just go fixed income at that point and avoid the exposure of intel style CEOs taking over your portfolio. VTI and VT are already shrinking your dividend yield.

dave ramsey just got EXPOSED

>>53160122
>>53160151
Try not being fucking poor and contribute more than $6k a year to your retirement. If you're not maxing at least a 401k, roth IRA (or back door roth if income is too high), and HSA each year, you're literally ngmi

>>53160162
Dude we’ve been bouncing around in the same range for a month. VIX should be 10.

>>53160154
Yeah Europe and Asia definitely don't have all the right trees, so you can't do what they do with metals where you've got warehouses scattered all over the globe. Chicago's probably the best single rail hub to cover all of North America though.

>>53160162
Oh vix doesn't give a shit about up moves. Don't ask me why, it just doesn't

>>53160018
THIS IS WRESTLING
>CLAP CLAP CLAP

>>53160174
>$6500 in roth ira
>$3850 in hsa
>$10,000 company match 401k
I'm putting away $20,000 a year, and including my wife its $40,000 a year. That shit adds up really fucking quickly. Medical expenses are essentially free for us

bow down muthafuckas

>>53160165
all of those crabs are after a pump, not a dump like this one, so I don't see the pattern

>>53160122
The part this spreadsheet is missing is the alternate scenario where the person invests in something paying zero dividends and a 10% yearly gain. The end result will be identical.

>>53160082
kek

Also, everybody keeping quiet on BIIB, it's either do or die for old-school big pharma today.

>>53160172

>>53160060
Why not?

>>53160214
>The end result will be identical
Except for the part where they don't have cash income to pay for their bills and end up on the street.

>>53160223
Oversupply. Semiconductors aren't scarce.
There's fabs coming up everywhere.
They won't find enough people to sell them to.

>>53160122
>>53160214
Actually thinking about it more divy stocks dont even grow 7-8%. Hes trying to claim a divedend stock will grow 7-8% like a growth stock yet also somehow pay out a divy of 3%. Not happening. Look at actual divy stocks like KO or Intel or T. They arent growing 7-8% at all. And a 10% yearly growth will definitely end up higher than just divy stocks.

>>53160060
Hahahahahahahaha

sold the top of MULN today for a cute 100 american dollar profit

>>53160228
In the alternate scenario, they set up a script to sell 0.75% quarterly. When they retire, they withdraw that amount. Problem solved.

>>53160186
what happens when we break out of the top, tho? lotta Puts being bought recently, would be a shame if something were to... happen... to them...

>>53160212
The pattern is that this is all of the crabs in the window. All of them were decided in favor of Bobo.

Time to short gold?

>>53160151
with ~2% inflation prices double every 20 years or so, more like 400k but you'd still be better off than not investing, of course you could also try to time the next 10 years when jpegs are selling for thousands

>>53160212
>a dump
You missed the pump beforehand. The actual dump leading into the next major pump hasn’t started yet.

what sectors are performing the worst atm ??

>>53160279
gold is actually looking decent for a change

>>53160239
Where is the "let's face it, semiconductors are crack in everything but name" copypasta when you need it???

>>53160173
Oh i never read the initial argument i thought he was saying investing in the s&p 500 wouldnt get you a million. then yeah i agree, divvy stocks are for when you already retired and dont want to reduce your cash basis by selling on a down year (like this one)

>>53160242
What you guys are talking about is called Yield on Cost i.e. how your investment dividends grow overtime

>>53160269
we pump or nothing happens
hmm i wonder

>>53160018
Stone cold is cashing the money in the bank. No wonder the stocks is performing well today

>>53160297
I'm never eating spegehtii another way... ever

my penis is a growth stock, yet it also pays dividends (cum)

>>53160201
Nice. My wife makes half of what I do, but gets a 457 plan at her job, which is an amazing perk. Get to stuff 3 401ks full of money and we get withdraw from the 457 as soon as she quits her job to be a stay at home mom.

>>53160297
Holy fuck that's genius
THIS is the top-tier financial and life advice I come to /smg/ for

>>53160191
>Chicago's probably the best single rail hub to cover all of North America though.
Probably true. I just wouldn't want to deal with the hassle of trying to contract a train car to ship it the rest of the way to me. Maybe if futures dip below $300..

>>53160293
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/best-and-worst-performing-us-stock-market-sectors-2022/

>>53160297
I've never wanted to kill anyone so hard in my life and I'm not even a wop or nigger
Maybe 1/16 comache, but that's it

>>53160212
The pattern is also that a lot of crabbing around this time last year was the harbinger of a very bad year.

>>53160334
ty. i google some other site too but thanks

>>53160186
Hmm,I guess you need to know some astrology for nerds in order to figure out how VIX works

Scam Pump over?

>>53160320
based boglechads

>>53160309
that's the nice thing about range trading to be honest with you, though. as soon as you get a reversal candle or a break of the low of the previous candle, you can keep a very tight stop loss and have a huge reward possible if it gets near the bottom again. maybe even sell half way between just to hedge your bets and cover yourself, then move your stop loss up to break-even and see what happens. worst case scenario you lose a little but then you get to look for dip buying opportunities in the new trend, ESPECIALLY if it comes down to the ceiling which as become the floor and bounces.

Honestly I wish everyone here would just watch this video because this is literally and unironically all you ever need to know to trade profitably, combined with risk management:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-HkyhZCLOw

i don't trade exactly this way, but the point still stands regarding being able to analyze what price is doing based on pivot highs and pivot lows. no indicators needed (although i still like having 2 EMA's on the screen for confirmation)

>>53160228
>It's impossible to sell shares

>Accidentally took out a margin loan
Uh oh...

>>53160399
stop using robinghood

>>53160399
>not having rotating margin that can ease in out of
???? what kind of jew broker fucks you with a fixed duration margin loan

>>53160399
>Accidentally

>>53160413
I'm not. I just enabled it in case of settlement delay bullshit and instead it looks like I miscalculated some numbers when rebalancing yesterday.

i've gotten so used to early bakers i'm getting nervous now

>>53160380
Imagine having to sell shares at any point in 2022.

>>53160434
what's with all the rings?

>>53160434
What are the hidden meanings of all those rings and that necklace?

>>53160239
They aren't scarce, but that doesn't suddenly mean demand is going to fall off a cliff

>>53160434
It's fine Mo- I mean, Mrs. Brainard. My account's green and I'll pay it back right away. Please don't punish me.

>>53160449
>>53160451
sex cult

>>53160465
That's honestly kind of dull and anti-climactic

i mean, diamonds aren't scarce and look at them go

>>53158683
You won't believe me of course, but I had a strong gut feeling this would happen. I just thought everyone was clapping you on the back and cheering you on and whooping that I kept quiet. You wouldn't have trusted me anyway.
I've had enough aftermarket rodeos to have seen this shitshow play out before
But yes turning away from sin is always good
There is a life after this one

>>53160447
Imagine the company you own using its cash in 2022 to pay a dividend instead of buying back shares, paying down debt, or reinvesting in the business.

>>53160465
>>53160449
>>53160451
Saturn death cult

Why are we still crabbing?

>>53160439
Then start using Robinhood. Every account is margin by default so people don’t trigger good faith violations.

gonna need cramer to start shilling nvda

>>53160399
Quick, buy some kneepads on margin so that you can pay it back

>>53160515
NEW

>>53160465
>>53160499
Saturn sex death cult?

>>53160493
Hence why I own only reits for divs

>>53159066
>inflation is actually almost back at 2% when annualizing MoM data. The market should be healthily green this year.
This. All it will take is for Jerome to start easing his language and we'll head for new highs. This is because inflation eventually inflates the price of what it costs to buy shares of companies too. It's why in 1901 we couldn't support a trillion dollar market cap but today we can. Once normalization occurs, the market is actually a hedge against inflation. 2023 will be a massive bull run to new highs.

new thread w/ links and title
>>53160579
>>53160579
>>53160579

>>53159936
$200 a person for groceries is buying all goyslop gmo and how you get cancer at 40.
Do you eat organic meat and veggies anon? I spend $700ish a month on food for my girlfriend and I, we eat organic beef, chicken and veggies though.