/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>53153529
we don't need any more automation the average poor person is already eating themselves to death

>>53153543
but we could more efficiently feed people to death

I wonder how many entry-level jobs will just go away. This already partially happened due to minimum wage laws.

>>53153645
The boomer washing and serving industry will see dramatic growth. A lot of gen zers will get rich purely off of hiring illegal venezuelan girls to wash their grandpa's balls when he's 85 and telling you all about how 'Nam went down.

The amount of people needed to maintain the machines won't be anywhere near the amount being obsoleted by them
And in a lot of instances, it will require specialized technical knowledge the normie shelf-stacker doesn't have nor is capable of just picking up anyway

Automation IS going to kill vast swathes of jobs, with no replacements in sight. At the same time, the corporations MUST realize that if they do all simultaneously embrace these money-saving efficiency-boosting machines and put most of the workforce out of work, those same people won't be earning the money they need to actually buy their stuff anymore

A fundamental paradigm shift in how the economy functions and society's expectation of people to work and earn is going to have to happen eventually.

>>53153529
Marx saw all this 150 years ago dude.

>As automation emerges, the working and capitalist classes would have different and opposed interests. Whereas the working class would have an interest in the full realization of the emancipatory implications of automation, the capitalist class would have an interest in the maximization of production in order to maximize profit. The capitalist class thus would be driven toward what Marcuse later called the production of “false needs,” which functions as the ideological foundation of the consumer society. Driven by the pursuit of profit as an end in itself, the capitalist seeks to maximize production and to psychologically manipulate workers to purchase consumer goods that do not qualitatively enhance human life.

>>53153664
>At the same time, the corporations MUST realize that if they do all simultaneously embrace these money-saving efficiency-boosting machines and put most of the workforce out of work, those same people won't be earning the money they need to actually buy their stuff anymore
EBT will be legal tender at Mcdonalds.

>>53153529
>>53153664

>Nooo you can't do farming what about all the hunting jobs
>Noooooooo you can't invent the plow or the tractor, what about all those farming jobs noooo
>Nooooooooo you can't invent the loom what about all those knitting jobs
>Noooo you can't invent cars what about all those carriage making jobs
>Noooooo you can't invent the telegraph what about all those couriers
The same argument has been used since forever and it's never been right,

>>53153664
Yes, some sort of ubi is the only viable long term solution. As always, it will not be tried until ten years after a few highly automated countries has had their homeless famine riots.

>>53153764
The advent of farming was absolutely a mistake.

>>53153814
>after a few highly automated countries has had their homeless famine riots.
Undesirables Purges when?

>>53153764
What jobs do you think are going to be left that automation won't squeeze out? And do you really imagine there will be enough places in those fields to go around? That every halfwit can adapt to?

>>53153900
Automation is a pretty big meme since we still don't have self driving cars yet. If we can't make an AI to drive that's reliable, most automation will probably also not be reliable. This means you'll still need a team of wagies to supervise the robots. With burger flipping some wagie still has to watch the robot to make sure it doesn't get stuck if it accidentally gets 2 patties at the same time. Automated checkout also hasn't replaced cashiers yet, there's still wagies who have to watch the checkout lines to handle weird cases where the machine fails.

Also, a lot of jobs are already almost completely automated. For example, CAD software basically made a lot of engineering obselete. You don't need to draw circuit boards on a piece of paper and then hire some engineer to check all the connections; the computer does all that for you. Yet engineers still get paid a lot and there are still many job openings for engineers, and you could easily argue that they get paid a lot partially due to increased productivity as a result of automation.

There's also the fact that no one knows what jobs will exist in the future. Try explaining to a farmer in the 1700s what a factory is, or try explaining to someone in the 1950s what e-commerce is. If we get to that level of automation it'll probably be decades in the future, and no one will know what kind of jobs will be required at that time.

>>53153529
ai pharmacists when? they're glorified, overpaid pill counters

>>53153529
OR you could hire an AI to design and maintain the autoMcdonalds with robotic maintenance workers who were designed by another AI and built in a automated factory.

Humanities future is homelessness and terminator.

>>53153529
With a good enough system, it would need almost no human intervention. 1 qualified professional could be responsible or a large number of facilities.

FUCK UBI
GIVE HUMANS REAL WORK
OUR SOCIETY OUR JOBS
AI's DON'T EVEN WANT JOBS ANYWAY, THEY'RE SUPER SMART AND LIVE FOR FREE ON THE INTERNET

>>53153664
This is why UBI or some sort of robot tax is needed, if you have resources to benefit from industrial automation you better damn well share with the rest of us

>>53154115
>WE WANT TO PICK THE COTTON OURSELVES, TRACTORS ARE FOR FUCKING NOOBS

>>53154157

>>53154151
that's not how this works.

>>53153852
it wasn't a mistake, human population was huge under mammoth hunting since mammoths were the perfect food source. When the climate changed due to meteor strike than mammoth all die so humans that survived had to farm

>>53153529
Yeah. Niggers will try to smash it as soon they see there isn't any security

>>53154238
Lol, no. There were no woolly mammoths in Mesopotamia.