/biz/ - Business & Finance

First for silver

Second for squares.

Shit stirrers kindly fuck off. Only comfy posts to close out the year.

I just bought a bunch of silver and gold coins and some silver bars for the first time. Like most here though I don’t expect to make any money unless there’s some sort of collapse in which case it will be impossible to get any monetary value out of it anyway. I’m just doing it to stop myself spending my own money and preserve and save some wealth for the future. I don’t care if I even lose a bunch of money as long as I have some saved for the future.

>squares
>circles
>????
What all is out there

>>53080004
>>squares
>>circles
>>????
>What all is out there
Well...

Greetings gentleman

>>53079998

Smart decision Anon!

>>53079998
>I just bought a bunch of silver and gold coins and some silver bars for the first time.
Please post pics, fren.

>>53080019
I hope so, at this point I think it’s the only way I can save my money otherwise I eventually just spend it. How difficult is it to sell though and how do you get the best price?
>>53080022
They arrive tomorrow or the day after, I’m waiting for a delivery time still. I’ll post when I get them though.

>>53079998
Way to go fren, keep going, you do this for the long run.

>>53080067
>sell

>>53079946
Postin' in a shiny bread
Pocket contents edition

reminder to always test your shit boyos
>be yuro
>want a peace dollar
>get 2 from private sellers
>both turn out to be fake

>>53080067
>sell

Picked these up today at an antique store

90 percent silver quarters 4.50 a piece
90 percent silver war nickel for 1.50
90 percent silver dimes for 2.50 a piece
And a half dime with a hole in it :( but only 2.50

How'd I do? Did I get scammed? I never bought constitutional silver before so I don't really have a good idea on what a fair price is.

>>53080120
How'd you figure out they were fake?
Why not buy from a reputable bullion dealer?

>>53080136
Seems like you did pretty good.

>>53080136
The war nickel is 35 percent silver*

>>53080092
Are you all in on the USD collapsing and silver becoming an extremely valuable currency then? I just can’t see it, they’ll artificially keep it afloat and they already have been doing that for years anyway and I think in only one recession since the 1900s has silver value increased, the rest it has dropped. Gold is the safer bet.

I’m obviously not looking to sell anytime soon or I’d just chance my money on stocks but the point of any investment is to cash in at some point, so in the far future I may want to.

>>53080010
very nice collection

>>53080142
>How'd you figure out they were fake?
wrong thickness/properties
one actually passed the magnet slide test, I reckon it has pure copper core
>Why not buy from a reputable bullion dealer?
usually overpriced. I buy most of my old silver and gold on auctions since there's a high chance I'll get it close to spot. The sites that I use offer full protection so I got all of my money back

>>53080164
I'm storing my labor. But with what BRICS is going to do, silver is going to take a ride right along with gold. But unlike you, I make smart trades for my fiat and DO care if I lose a lot of money as I save for the future.

Why do your posts seem like a new approach at FUDding?

>>53080194
>I got all of my money back
Good for you. Any penalty for the seller, or can they just claim they didn't know they sold fake shit?

>>53080212
Yup, inflation hedge first, oil pegged gold/BRICS taking over as a world reserve currency second, currency collapse third. Silver will do well in all of these environments as will gold.

>>53080067

Selling is easy. You can go to any local pawnshop and even some jewelry stores. Some online stores like JM Bullion will buy from you too.

Generally you just gotta ask around. My dad had some generic silver rounds he brought to our local pawnshop and they gave him spot. My local pawnshop doesn't care if you have a bar, round, or coin. They don't pay premiums. They just pay spot. So, if you're someone that buys generic rounds, that's a positive, but if you're someone that buys government coins with higher premiums, it could be seen as a negative.

You're making the right life decisions though Anon. Try to buy investments, not just basic consumer goods. I'll take a $600 gold coin, over a $600 Gucci belt any day.

>>53080120
>be yuro
Found your problem

>>53079998

It is impossible to lose money on real money. You bought the REAL money with FAKE fiat currency that is not money. The only "money" is Gold and Silver, everything else is credit. Step #1 in your enlightenment is to divorce Gold and Silver from a dollar value. If you are measuring gold and silver in dollars you are doing it wrong. When the time comes, you won't be able to get an ounce of Gold for a billion dollars. Dollars will mean nothing, but the Gold will still buy the same things it has bought for 5000 years. You are buying stability, and that is better than any measurement in some fake piece of paper backed by thieves. You are winning just by having REAL money in your hands.

>>53080233
no penalty, they returned the money too quick to start the dispute process

>>53080259
not false

>>53080136
90% quarters sell for between 10 and 20x face value. You done good son.

>>53080212
>with what BRICS is going to do
I heard something about India using a digital currency that is backed by gold but don’t know much more than that and haven’t heard anything since then. QRD?
>FUDding
I don’t even know what that is. I’m just a genuine newfag if you can’t tell when I said I can’t even save my money which is one of the main reasons for me starting to save it up in PMs. I need to start thinking about the future and wanna make sure I have something to fall back on otherwise I just waste it.

>>53080276
Sweet :)

>>53080292
BRICS is likely going to launch a reserve currency that's backed by gold, commodities, and a basket of local currencies from member states. There's not a single currency today that isn't FIAT. There's also been about 4800 Fiat currencies throughout history and every single one failed, it's inevitable. When BRICS launches it's currency and is made available to half the global population which it's member states represent, it will likely become the new global reserve currency. The final nail in the coffin for the dollar before everyone rushes for the exit is the Saudis turning their back on the US in favor for either gold which they love or the BRICS currency which they have shown interest in. The writing is on the wall. Could take a decade or two though

>>53080249
So generally if I’m buying the coins at a premium I’d want to look for private buyers who want them for a collection or something? And if I buy cheap silver Just take it into a shop? Thanks though anon I’m trying to protect my future because I’ve been so bad with money and it wouldn’t take much for me to be completely screwed, I need something to fall back on. I’ve already cut out any non essential consumer expenses.

>>53080321
>Could take a decade or two though
With the way things are going, I give it two weeks.

>>53080339
Kek
>>53080321
700+ Fiat currencies according to google but I've heard reputable analysts who knows better say the 4800 figure. At any rate they all fail eventually and the rampant speculation and sky high inflation is usually a Hallmark for the end stage

Picked this 5 ozt bar up the other day too along with a kilo bar

>>53080322

It just depends, every shop is going to be different. Some shops might give you $1, or $2 over spot if you have a coin. Some might just give you spot price on everything. Others might even try to low-ball you and pay below spot. Never do buisness with low-ballers, they can't be trusted. Only spot price and higher is acceptable.

Just don't plan on getting rich with gold, or silver. Just plan on small fluctuations over time. Try to hold it as a last resort, as insurance.

If you want to try and make money, you have to invest in stocks, real estate, etc. But, there is a lot more risk involved I those assets.

Kilo and a thrift store sterling find

>>53080399
Yeah I plan to hold it for years and years anyway, it’s like my way of saving up some money for retirement and I’m gonna look at other things to invest in. If there’s an emergency I will take a portion out to sell for some quick cash, I’ve just seen a few people say it’s not as easy to liquidate as you think.

>>53080010
That's a cheap ass damascus blade.

Nice stuff otherwise.

>>53080292
You say you're new, but you're already spouting off how you believe gold is a better bet than silver. You seem like a shill.

>>53080486
Everyone will want to buy your silver soon don’t worry.

>>53080486
>I’ve just seen a few people say it’s not as easy to liquidate as you think.
They're wrong. You can sell gold and silver coins, bullion, jewelry, and anything else including items made of precious metals to most any local coin shop, gold and silver shop, even jewelers will buy, hell, you can send it directly to a refinery or even sell it on eBay. I've never had a problem selling scrap silver and gold before.

>>53080608
It's easy to liquidate but it's even harder to not get raped.

You pay over spot for any coin and you get under spot when you try to liquidate 9 times out of 10.

Barter is where PM shines.

>>53080576
>how you believe gold is a better bet than silver
I am new, that doesn’t mean i don’t know history, I’ve looked into it a little. Gold will almost always go up in value during recessions and every economy used to be backed by gold so if the current system failed, that would be the most likely alternative again. I literally just bought 4 silver coins and 2 silver bars a few hours ago though I’m not shilling against silver. Everyone feel free to ignore me if I say anything dumb, I’m a retarded newfag who is completely useless with money as I’ve already stated kek
>>53080584
I hope so anon I’ve just started reading all about the BRICS currency and it’s giving me an erection. What is a realistic timeframe?

>>53080411
Shyiet that's beautiful anon. My best friend has got a kilo and he's been going back for 10ers or 5oz ones instead. I keep getting notifications about MK bars on ebay but I also saw there website. I like some of them but most are like redditstreet silver aesthetics. I just want one anime tiddy bullion. Just repostin my old allotment. The old war Asian coins I need to test for what pmgs they're made of.

>>53080629
Yea I really hate the premiums. The nice part about charting and buying when supply is high and price is low is that usually you can get a low premium but not always. I plan on selling privately when it's time to sell and only buying during firesales on items that I can sell over premium when demand and price are high like silver eagles.
>>53080665
Ngl the I love fondling the kilo, the weight is superb. Redpill me on the Chinese coins. I have these two but have no clue what they are.

Buy gold, guns, Bitcoin, and land

Have white children, only associate with other whites

Stop CONSOOOMING like the NPCs

>this is anti-semitic, you're a racist bigot!
Yes

>>53080856
>bitcoin
Lemme know how that works when the lights go out

>>53080886
>Muh electricity
Even north korea and the blackest gorilla nigger village in africa have electricity, we are never going back to the dark ages you fucking idiot

>>53080120
I have many peace dollar. None in great condition, but many nevertheless.
Which part of the oirop are you in?

>>53080751
I think the Chinese coins I have are lucky coins, or Japanese pesos, I don't have any coin autism to know specifics, I just liked cleaning up my great uncles old wartime collection. Same box of stuff I got a couple Christmases ago had old wartime blueprints for the army/navy of Japan/Korea. I was kind of speechless.

>>53080923
That's pretty cool that he left you a bunch of stuff, sounds like a cool dude. I'm definitely developing coin autism though and these Chinese coins with the holes in them are potentially hundreds to a thousand years old which is pretty neat. Or they're fake lol I know that there's a lot of fakes out there anyway.

>>53080912
Forget the electricity shit, its a digit on a screen, it does not exist, its not even backed by anything, im all for any payment system that bypasses the bankers but bitcoin isn't it.

>>53080870
>>53080888
Seems like an interesting twist
>cum ferro et argento
>cum gladio et argento
What do anons think

>>53080954
>its not even backed by anything
Neither is gold yet we still value it

>>53080994
Golds Exists.

>>53080994
Gold is backed by itself.

>>53080992
I like cum ferro et argento

>>53080992
>cum gladio et argento
>>53081265
cum gladio et argento

>>53081265
>i like cum farts
can you take it to /lgbt/ this is a pmg thread

Hello Anon Silverbacks.

My latest pick up Anons. 3 ounces of silver, one gram of gold.

>>53081265
second for this as a former Latin student that remembers very little. Also cum

Anons ITT really do be like...

>>53080004
I really like these 1oz cubes.

1oz spheres would be cool, I don't think I've ever seen those

>>53081402
Keep talking shit and you’re gonna end up with a mouthful of my hard cock

Imagine thinking that having a couple thousand dollars of gold and silver is a bad thing.

Just placed an order for a tube of silver Krugerrands.
>>53081463
Don't threaten him with a good time.

>>53080994
buttcoin is word salad blockchain word salad for people who like thick veiny cocks shoved up their ass
>picrel
wow yes much gainz

Reminder you will buy silver and gold and you will get a loli wife to breed during the great reset.

>>53081552
forgot pic

>>53081462
Cubes are cool.
There are some stupid expensive planet/moon coins, such as this 3 ozt one of Earth:
https://www.jmbullion.com/2022-3-oz-barbados-silver-blue-marble-green-planet-earth-ball-shaped-coin/
or Moon (which I wouldn't have known, had tehy not labeled it as such):
https://bullionexchanges.com/2023-3-oz-silver-moon-spherical-coin-barbados-999-fine-w-box-coa

>>53081510
>Just placed an order for a tube of silver Krugs
Based, Im contemplating if I should buy these right now, like, Im a REALLY going to be able to find something else for a better price than this in the near future?
I don't even know if it's worth stacking 90% anymore. It seems like dealers are moving more towards selling 40% half dollars and war nickels in $500 FV bulk at a stupid low premium, but who actually has enough balls to buy that much at a time, immiright?

>>53081463
You like putting your dick in mouths with shit in them??? Uh... >>>/lgbt/ is that way my dude.

>>53081568
I don't have much junk myself, but if you want some more, just get it. I was looking around the other day myself, and monument does seem to have the best prices at the moment. 40% half dollars and war nickels always have such a low premium because they would be a pain in the butt to refine if it ever came to that.

>>53081568
Check your pawn shops for junk. Most wont have it but I noticed those who keep it and don't send it to the assayers have a fuck ton and sell it close to spot.
I found some shitty pawn shop in wilkesboro NC that sells eagles for 5 over. I only had $100 in my pocket that day. I bought 1 incase they were fake and a shit ton of mercs

>>53081568
I would personally just go with pure silver coins because when the crack up boom happens they will be the first to go, then the junk silver coins. In today's age we have non destructive technology to find out the metal content of coins, which will become more common in retail stores so junk silver coins will have their place, but it will be long after the financial collapse when you will be able to capitalize on them.

>Guess what guys, I just got the greatest deals on Apmex
>They were having an after-Christmas liquidation sale on ASEs, so a snagged a whole tube of them for only 2x spot (plus tax)
>Of course, I consider myself a big dipper, so I also picked up a bag of 1000 cull grade war nickels at only 40x face
>they only give that sort of deep discount to real heavy hitters like me of course, the plebs only buying a couple tubes have to pay 50x face
>And no Precious Metals Purchase wouldn't be conplete without a little Gold, so I got myself an APMEXclusive™ 1/4 oz Gold 10th Anniversary of the invention of Funko Pops commemorative from Tuvalu at a mere 15% over spot

>>53081581
>my dude
go back

Evening, folks. Hope y'all are enjoying your silver as much as I do.

>53081850
Even "ironic" W*jak memes should warrant a ban by this point, they provide nothing of value

>>53081921
>Even "ironic" W*jak memes should warrant a ban by this point, they provide nothing of value
That's not true, making people like you seethe is certainly something of value.
Besides, Apmex provides nothing of value either, so it's fitting to mock their retarded customer base with a worthless meme.

>>53082002
>Apmex provides nothing of value
Not quite true. They're one step better than ebay for items that you can't find anywhere else.
But yeah - "Sale" means "This price is only 10% higher than any other dealer's price, not our usual 40%."

>>53079997
sauce on the artist.

>>53079946
What's the difference between 1KG silver bars?
Should I just buy the cheapest one? On EuropeanMint there is a 2022 1 Kilo $30 NZD Niue StoneX Silver Coin-Bar for only €881.91 but I'm not sure why is it much cheaper than the others

>>53082078
ダイバディ

>>53080194
>usually overpriced

except they aren't..... reputable high volume dealers trade the closest to spot price for very obvious reasons. dont know why im even replying to someone that buys fake bullion. you're an idiot.

>>53082131
I’d assume the best tactic is always to get as much pure PM as possible for as little as possible. The designs and stuff are for collectors, just check that the purity is the same as the others and casted PM is cheaper than minted PM which is the same besides it’s less aesthetically pleasing.

very rough

>>53082211
Thanks anon, nice digits.

Year: 2022
Grade: Brilliant Uncirculated
Country: Niue
Denomination: $30 NZD
Manufacturer: StoneX
Metal Content: 32.15 troy oz
Purity: 999.9 Fine Silver
Certificate: yes

I suppose everything seems to be fine, I'll get some as soon as my paycheck comes, things are starting to get real shitty in eastern EU.

A savage video by Daniel Natal about the wars for the precious metal cobalt in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

https://youtu.be/yNV-5LNjr_8

>>53080918
Bolan

>>53082176
These are the cheapest deals from my country's reputable dealers. Literally 100% over spot for XF condition or lower. I'd rather take my chances with randos with a money back guarantee since I'm not a dumbass who can't test if a silver coin is genuine.
Thanks for telling me know how dealers in my area operate their business though.

>>53082176
These are the cheapest deals from my country's reputable dealers. Literally 100% over spot for XF condition or lower. I'd rather take my chances with randos with a money back guarantee since I'm not a dumbass who can't test if a silver coin is genuine.
Thanks for telling me know how dealers in my area operate their business though.

>>53081850
kek 10/10 meme. This is just like all the youtubers that shill APMEX cause they get paid to.

>>53081850
Had me at the funko pop commemorative. I still want a fucking pickle rick.

Not as bad, but I kinda want a 1/2 gram una and the lion for 2 x spot because it’s cool looking.

>>53080135
Shiny :D

>>53080275
I had a strange dream last night that I was wondering through a path outdoors and finding silver maples and fractional krugs.

>>53079946
How do Europoors buy silver?
We have 20% VAT in almost every nation.
Its literally impossible to buy silver.

>>53082700
Either pay the VAT on coins or purchase items made from silver that also contain VAT but at least you can use them.

>>53082700
Where's that map from?

>>53082700
buy at coin shops, fleamarktes or local EBays. Junk silver is close too or below spot if you are looking hard enough

>>53082797
Flames to dust
Lovers to friends
Why do all good things come to an end

>>53082700
You have 12 hours to lock in your last VAT-free order in Germany. That's what I did yesterday.

>>53082700
Buy it on a craigslist type site

>>53081672
>>53080249
In burgerland you can buy stuff from pawnshops?
Where I live most pawnshops dont accept silver but "loan" gold at about 1/2 to 2/3 of its molten value

>>53082666
nice, checked

>>53083178
Yessir. Pawnbrokers buy and sell. Jewelry, tools, electronics, firearms. Just about anything in existence can be bought and sold at a pawn shop.

The old man looks a bit goofy not gonna lie

>>53080136
got jipped on the dimes. Cheaper online (and my pic is actually expensive.) Expect to pay 18-20x for junk silver (junk meaning a silver coin with no value other than silver). The quarters were a real bargain.

Heres a nice link that updates daily with spot price. Even a calculator there to get your exact haul priced out.

https://www.coinflation.com/silver_coin_values.html

You can see your Quarters have a value of $4.33 each, you paid $4.50. Literally a 4% premium. The dimes are worth $1.73 each, you paid $2.50, literally a 30% premium.
So all in all a decent haul, grats on the quarters..

>>53083233
>>53083178
>>53081672

Go towards the end of the month to pawnshops. Ask if they have anything they are sending off to the refiner, offer to buy it for a bit more
>refiners pay 95-98% of spot
if the pawn shop has some junk silver lying around, you can offer them 5% over spot and they will jump on it, because they lose when factoring in shipping and taxes (refiner automatically reports payments bc of Patriot Act). If they dont take 5% go to 10%.

t. Cousin managed a Pawn shop for almost a decade, taught me everything about how to make money buying from pawnshops.

>>53083275
My lcs sold me 2 tubes of dimes last week for 92.00 a tube.

>>53080923
I hope you didn’t clean your coins anon

>>53082700
>How do Europoors buy silver?

You keep remembering that it should be in the hundreds or even thousands per ounce right now.

>>53080486
In the past I sold 100 oz silver bars with no problem. LCS guy didn't even blink and paid me spot. I can't think of a physical asset that is easier to liquidate. A house? A car? A gun? Ammo? Dehydrated food? All more difficult than PMs.

>>53083332
Based. Last roll I scored I think I paid $100, but they were hella circulated and weighed 11 grams less than when minted. Not worth crying over but it would be sweet to score a pristine tube sometime

>>53083317
Great advice! Thanks Fren!

>>53083366
I hope he did. Metal should shine.

>>53083452
Bitcoin and stocks can be liquidated instantly from the comfort of your bed in your jarmas.

spotted: Phil bros are selling silver- and bronze new years coins in the Vienna city center

I don't know if I'm making ionic or colloidal silver, but I'm doing electrolysis with silver.

>>53083685
previously

>>53083644
they're also not tangible

>>53083644
I wrote "physical asset" for a reason, genius.

>>53079991
What is that that makes them glow? Is it a paint?

Bong here. Off to LCS. Oooh exciting. I’ll probs come back with some Britannias and a florin. They better be open cos it’s shitting down with rain

>>53083685
steffl my fellow austranon? guten rutsch!

>>53083275
Ah shit, at the time I figured the dimes might have been too much but I wasn't sure. Thanks for the link, I'll bookmark it for future reference. What about the half dime with the hole in it? Do you have any idea what that might be worth? Only paid 2.50 for it. I figure it's gotta cut the value severely. Maybe I can sell the dimes and half dime on eBay together to a greater fool and go back for more quarters when they get more in stock at that antique shop.

>>53080486

>not easy to liquidate

Yes and No. There are communities of stackers out there. Many of them private, esoteric Boomer forums running on 1990s tech. But they are out there. And if you live in or around a major city you might even find one local to you.

Sometimes you’ll find them in weird places like gun trading forums or tactical discussion spots.

>>53080664

I’m old enough to remember BRICS being the financial bogeyman for decades now. It’s an idea not a real thing. And it’s very much opposed by (((American))) hegemony so you won’t see it happen until the US’ military reach is thought or proven to be no longer effective.

>>53080994

Gold is backed by Biology. By physics. By the Universe. By God.

It’s more than just a shiny rock. Its entire material structure and properties are unique and special. It is a Wonder Material, even if it weren’t rare and beautiful. That shit is built into Reality my friend. And if you can’t see that, then please go double down on whatever bullshit you prefer.

>>53083644

Yeah and they can be taken away just as quickly. Someone wants to take my PMs while I’m in my Jammies, I can still grab my shotgun and fight them off.

>>53083644
Bitcoin is a social construct like fiat. Trying to promote that shit in a thread full of anons who follow the mantra "If you don't hold it you don't own it" is always going to fall flat on its face.

>>53082700
>How do Europoors buy silver?
>We have 20% VAT in almost every nation.
>Its literally impossible to buy silver.
You just stop caring about it costing more by default or look for (junk)-silver sold privately.
In my case, I only occasionally buy silver, platinum etc. and just get more gold.
(current ratio silver, gold, platinum about 10 : 1 : 0.3 silver and platinum would be a lot higher if it wasn't for VAT)

>>53082441
Do you have, in 2, 5, or 10, any of the following? Would you like to trade?
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces11014.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces17668.html

>>53083681
What usage? be sure to use distilled water when drinking it unless for deliberately changing the tan .. in that case stay out of the sun or the permanent distribution will be similar to the sun-burn and look stupid.

>>53080321
Lmao, even your coveted gold standard failed in every single country it was tried. Where's your false god now? It's laughable how pious you people are, while simultaneously being profoundly ignorant.

>>53084097
General health and sanitation. I'm using distilled :)
Still waiting on a ppm meter though, was thinking of aiming for 20ppm.

>>53083488
Last roll of "junk" i got were some shiny state quarters. Threw them right into the junk bowl. I think I'd do it again if I find them on sale

>>53083810
>What is that that makes them glow?
It's UV sensitive ink. One of these days I'll buy a cheapo blacklight and take a pic.

>>53084128
>Gold is the standard for thousands of years
>Stopped by the stroke of a pen and is out on the back burner for 50 years
>Fiat currency in that time is down over 95 percent in that time
>Retards on the internet think this proves gold has failed
Lol, lmao even
Central banks around the world have accumulated gold back to pre Nixon levels and your paying 4 dollars a gallon for milk
Daily reminder that one single silver quarter buys more gasoline now than it did when we were on the gold standard and that's because the Fiat experiment is failing again as it has throughout history.

>>53083871
>BRICS hoarding gold at record rates.
>Saudis want off the USD ride.
>Inflation at record highs.
>Russia pegging gold to ruble.
The list goes on.

hi /pmg/ newfag here. I want to order directly from the Mint (Canada) but their online selection is limited to what's here:

Silver: https://www.mint.ca/en/shop/categories/silver?productFacets=Availability%3ANotSoldOut&productPage=2#products

Gold: https://www.mint.ca/en/shop/categories/gold?productFacets=Availability%3ANotSoldOut&productPage=1#products

My question is, could these gain value over time or am I wasting my money? I have no idea how to pick from them. But at first glance the premiums are super high. On the other hand they're from the Mint and they are legal currency. What do frens? I made a picture of what seemed interesting (keep in mind they are canadian dollars) but I probably missed a few, everything is in the links though.

Morning Anons. Hope everyone is sitting komfy for the end of the year. Realizing I didn't hit my metal quota this year is sad but family and firearms took precedence this year.

>>53083871
>I’m old enough to remember BRICS being the financial bogeyman for decades now. It’s an idea not a real thing. And it’s very much opposed by (((American))) hegemony so you won’t see it happen until the US’ military reach is thought or proven to be no longer effective.

Read image.

>>53083681
What's in the electrolyte?

>>53084362
The Canadian mint is essentially a for profit enterprise. They print many restricted collectibles. Some are flops. Some are popular. I have a few that have boats on them but otherwise I wouldn't bother.
The ones with a 100 or 200% premium should be avoided. You may as well be buying jewelry at that rate.
>legal currency
Any commonwealth currency with a face-value amount doesn't necessarily translate to functional legal tender. Take that claim with a grain of salt.
It might be useful if you're travelling and want to declare something at face rather than at metal value, but the face would have to be high and that would usually floor the buy price.
Stick to the generic bullion coins if you're unsure.

>>53084362
Newfags should stay away from pretty coins and fractional metals. Buy the most amount of metal for the least amount of fiat. Buy a few pretty things later when you have a better understanding of what you're doing. Stick to silver rounds and don't buy gold under 1/4oz, and stick to gold coinage with security features. Once you have these in your stack, buy the pretty stuff that you want.

Just my $.02

>>53084335
>greentext of pure headcanon
>didn't even read the rest of your Bubba babble
I say this with all due respect, read more books. Read actual history books. Read books about ancient history. Read philosophy. Read economics. Read modern history. For the love of God, read books. You people are so fucking retarded it's unreal. You espouse completely bullshit and then circle jerk each other while huffing your own farts. You are, by definition of the word, ignorant.

>>53084485
>You people are so fucking retarded it's unreal.
Says the dickhead that seeks out a forum that he has no interest in to shit on the people that do. This is how you spend your free time. You're fucking pathetic. Now pull your penis out of your step dad and go do something meaningful with your life.

>>53084443
>>53084447
Gotcha. I just found some of them really nice. Take a look at this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlDVm5C9teA

I guess I'll just stick to regular maples then from the local pm store :<

>>53084508
There are a lot of beautiful designs out there. Don't let them distract you from gaining weight for now. When I first started stacking I bought pretty stuff that I wish I hadn't. I have a lot of coins that belong to series that I'll never complete. Get that stack weight up first, then find a pretty that you'll splurge on once in a while. Happy stacking, newfren.

>>53084504
And just like that, when prompted to read books and elevate one's knowledge, anon unironically resorts to coping, seething, and malding instead. Whew. This really is the general for the most sensitive schizoed brainlets, huh?

>>53084591
>And just like that, when prompted to read books and elevate one's knowledge, anon unironically resorts to coping, seething, and malding instead. Whew. This really is the general for the most sensitive schizoed brainlets, huh?
Gold is going to zero, you'll be able to get it for free off of craigslist soon enough if you're willing to go clean it out of dejected stackers' houses and transport it away. Furthermore, asteroid mining operations will be up and running by 2030 and they will QUADRUPLE the supply of gold.

>>53084634
I swear I've read this word for word in other pmgs. Do you have a text file of pasta to fud gold? Why? What's in it for you? Is it a crab in a bucket thing?

>>53084591
I'll go read books. Some advice for you now. Work out. Eat better. Talk to women. Figure out your mommy issues. Have sex. Find a better use of your time.

Answer this question, faggot. Why are you here? Do you really have nothing better going on? Just kidding. I know you're being paid to troll this thread. Your shitty government pics are a dead giveaway. Go talk to your supervisor about a better script to work from, and for fucks sake, find some better pics. You stick out like a sore thumb in here.

>>53084684
Yup you post this incessantly. Seems like mental illness. You should seek help

>>53084684
>>53084705

>>53084734
You have to wonder what motivates this kind of behavior. Are they a bottom feeder whose paid to post this? Or are they doing it of their own free will? The latter is certainly worse. Think about the kind of person who fuds an asset class as large as gold, imagine the smell

>>53084701
Oh, anon, there's just no fooling, huh? Thanks for the advice, goy!

>>53084351
>$110,000 for a meme battery car
Everything is good. Everything is fine.

>>53084758
>imagine the smell
Gefilte fish and urine is my guess.

53084775
Post nose and foreskin with time stamp. Last (You) for you, rabbi.

>>53084362
Lurk awhile while saving cash.
Why do you want to limit your purchase to the US mint, why do you live in Canada, and when are you going to MaID yourself?

>>53084411
I didn't add a solution but am thinking of adding citric acid or corn syrup + sodium carbonate.
I'm not getting the dark color others appear to produce.

>>53082700
Rammstein logo?

>>53084128
>your coveted gold standard failed in every single country it was tried

Imagine being so retarded that you think corrupt human institutions failing to meet the gold standard is a failure of gold. Your ignorance is unfathomable, NGMI.

STOP FEEDING TROLLS

IGNORE TROLL POSTS

STOP FEEDING TROLLS

HIDE TROLL POSTS

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

THIS IS NOT A FUCKING JOKE

FEEDING TROLLS IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE DESTRUCTION OF THIS /PMG/ WHICH IS THEIR PRIMARY AIM AND GOAL

>>53084634
>Furthermore, asteroid mining operations
Dude, we have problems getting people into orbit lol. At this stage asteroid mining operations Asimov stuff. How do you even bring back the mined gold? Who's going to fix the miners when they run into technical problems? I hope you're trolling
>>53084546
Thanks. I will follow your advice :-)

>>53084807
why do all new cars look like shit

>>53084820
>look ma, I posteded it again
>ofc I made sure not to reply correctly
>I'm mommy's smart boy
Despite your request, I will not send you dick pics, faggot.

>>53084877
Whatever helps you sleep at night with your purchases, sweetheart.

>>53084840
what's MaID?
I live in Canada, that's why I want to order from the Mint, on top of being trusted source since there's no intermediary.

>>53084128
Gold and silver have been money for thousands of years. Yes, greedy corrupt people sometimes have come to power and used that power to steal from people in various ways - including monetary trickery. But guess what has ALWAYS come back when the scams break (as the always do)? Gold and silver. \

We are at the end of the scam. Choose where you will store your wealth.

>>53080992
>cum gladio et argento
>cum ferro et argento
gladio is more to the point, literally
whereas the iron reference could mean just a cube of iron and you know how pedantic Anons can be

>retard still being retarded

lol pathetic

GSM has a sale on some ugly ass Santa rounds right now, for those who only care about weight.

https://www.goldenstatemint.com/1-oz-Merry-Christmas-Santa-2022-BU-Silver-Round.html

Every time I enter a /pmg/ thread, the arguments get more and more schizo. Just ignore the FUDers. Unless they have something actually substantial and beneficial to say, don't take the bait.

Not to sound schizo, but how much gold is actually at fort knox? Did the US government liquidated yet? Are they bullshitting about how much is there? Is there even any gold there anymore? Are they the main perpetrators and reason for manipulated gold and silver prices? Canada sold all of its gold reserves to the banks too, i don't know if the USA would be public about this if they did it.

Dunno i might sound a bit too retarded on the topic

>>53085030
>Is there even any gold there anymore?
Lead ingots painted gold, maybe.

>>53085030
It looks like they never had a significant amount. And they just finally gave up trying.

>>53084634
>asteroid mining operations will be up and running by 2030
Obvious troll is obvious. We will perhaps have the capability of doing this by 2030 but the costs of such an operation outweigh what you can mine when you have the problem of bringing it back down to earth. The fuel costs etc would be astronomical and it’s not feasible economically any time in the near future.

>>53085030
America is an economic powerhouse and there are many elite who exist on this continent and are dependent on industry rather than finance for their wealth. So there are factions of elite who do want to see America remain on top and they make damn sure that places like Canada and Europe compromise themselves at our behest.
However, the ruling faction in the federal government is vetted for their support of Zionism. This has been going on for over a hundred years that upper levels of the government have been doing this.I do believe there is some concern that Zionists would want to somehow spend and or remove that gold and get it to Israel somehow.
Currently, that gold is leased into the market to suppress it's price in order to support the dollar. But you are right in that there is zero accountability with this gold. Who don't know anything about it, it's purity, its authenticity. I see no reason to believe America has 8,000 tons in the ground.

Do you think another "new year" fall and then rise in price will happen?
Wasn't here a year ago but I saw mention of such things in the archives while looking up different topics/rounds.

>>53085030
>tfw you have more gold than canada

Apparently the COMEX just had a shit fit with platinum. Someone sold more open interest contracts than what COMEX had, then as if by magic the COMEX made up that shortfall.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Wallstreetsilver/comments/zz0tow/platinum_goes_bust_on_first_notice_day_open/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Wallstreetsilver/comments/zzuinh/surprise_surprise_platinum_sees_record_cash/

Hopefully some of you here will have a better understanding as it is all relatively new to me, but Ditch writes like a spastic making it harder to wrap around your head what he's trying to convey.

New to PMs, can someone explain to me why any common coin like ASEs are sold at 40%-plus premiums to the spot price?? Looks like Buffalos sell at 20% ish premiums?

Seems like gold coins sell at 5-10% premiums to gold spot, so just curious why the silver premium is so much higher?

And secondly as a newfag, what’s a good rule of thumb for how much of a premium I should be OK with paying for silver and gold?

>>53085504
I am curious, but are there any mines out there that are just outright owned and operated by Wallstreet that is capable of securing physical metal in a time of crisis? Like, they own the board of directors, 90% of the company and they can just bump themselves up to the front of the line. I think PMs are important enough that that would be some sort of arrangement they could make in an underhanded illegal way.
Maybe not for platinum because most of it comes from Russia and South Afrika. But surely there are some "shady mines" out there.

>>53085589
The suppression of price creates a disconnect in the real world. By suppressing the price of silver, massive shortages would happen so dealers all make up for this by adding premium. The U.S. mint has been massively underminting ASEs, and it being the most sought after coin has been able to carry massive premiums and as a result it pulls all premiums for silver higher.
Gold is so expensive that there is naturally less demand and the market appears able to clear transactions much more efficient (supply/demand finds a price to match all buyers and sellers, if unrigged)
Also, the REASON that silver is such an anomaly is because it acts a lever. There is a well established relationship of silver to gold in price ratios, mining rations, a historic average of such. Silver is a much smaller market and acts as a lever to control the larger market: gold. Precious metals are highly political as the world operates on a dollar standard. We do not want to operate an inflationary racket and have the inflation show up in commodity prices immediately. This price suppression is what will ultimately lead to an abrupt physical shortage.

>>53085679

Cool, thanks that makes sense. So i’m not being “ripped off” by these massive premiums - its fine to pay a premium?

>>53085724
Most of us believe in silver to be worthwhile when its real value will be realised. That can only happen after global banking collapses or at the very least fiat collapses. We are already in hyperinflation, they can't stop the collapse. So yeah if you trust this will happen then buy yourself some silver as they can't take it compared to the money on your bank or the crypto you own.

>>53084915
You'd have a better selection by going to a trusted, local dealer

Lot of base metals facing shortages apparently.

https://www.mining.com/web/lme-ends-chaotic-year-with-metal-stockpiles-perilously-low/

Are ALL metals manipulated?

>>53085724
It's the new norm, unfortunately. Physical metal is something you plan to hold long term, so don't worry about premiums per say. The global financial system is built on exponential functions and the paper games will always outrun the world's natural resources. It is inevitable and this will manifest itself as losses/bankruptcies and deleveraging events. Having some of your capital outside of the banking system is imperative at this stage. They don't talk about eating bugs and living in pods for nothing. The world continues on as normal so long as the bond market remains stable, THAT is the beating heart of it all, and it contains pent-up purchasing power of $46TN than has not a chance in hell of chasing after other investments or buying goods and services for the owners. It is literally twice the size of the U.S. GDP. The problem is these bonds have to be paid out with current GDP. An impossible situation that is manifesting itself today with 10% inflation. 10% of $46TN is $4.6TN. That alone is like 25% of the U.S. GDP. That is very imprecise/fuzzy math but I think it illustrates the problems we are facing. And that is not to scare you into buying PMs, it's just a reality of what lays before us.
No need to liquidate everything into PMs either. Things can carry on like this for god knows how much longer. It could even be 5-10 years for all we know if the rest of the globe plays along to keep things propped up.

>>53085813
>Are ALL metals manipulated?
The dollar based system DEMANDS that inflation be suppressed in commodities because foreigners would never accept dollars and bonds if inflation gets priced into commodities immediately.
The system wants people spending money on higher margin FINISHED goods/production and services that create jobs. They do not want capital chasing the commodities because these things are ultimately political in nature. They want to be able to provide the globe with the raw materials so their dollars seem like a safe investment and then leverage those goods into more and more production. This price suppression however does create shortages. Even the energy used to acquire these raw material is suppressed. If natural resources find a real price point, their availability will be far lower than what they are now. Cheap commodities made us feel far wealthier than we really are because pent-up demand was stored in paper-ponzis. As our natural resources are depleted it is becoming far harder to maintain the charade.

>>53085619
>owned and operated by Wallstreet
Wall Street is not a company or controlling entity. It is legion, comprising publicly-held companies whose obligation it is to increase the value of their stocks. Yes, many mining companies are publicly held.

>>53084381
where u from anon?

I am not the other anon but I paid $575 for a tube of silver Krug's to be shipped to me. Not a great price but idc I want krugs

>>53079991
Glad i pulled the trigger on the 100 gram, the 1oz is a nice bar but the 100 just has that better look, plus i dont like the Geiger Mint doing imperial sizes, its hundreds of years history has been metric size bars and they should keep with tradition.

>>53086691
Plus i was actually considering a 250 gram bar but as you can see diameter size wise theres not that much difference.

>>53080194
do you think you could post a few pictures of the fakes? It might be useful to show people here what a counterfeit looks like

Assortment of recent shite. That Kennedy has been at the LCS for months so I set it’s 40% ass free. I should have grabbed more frenchies, they were about 9% over spot and better condition than the eBay ones I already had.

>>53085724
Keep in mind that no retailer who wants to stay in business sells his products for what he pays for them. Right? When you look at spot price, you are looking at the wholesale price for the biggest buyers. Unless you can swing your dick for a full-size bar plus costs associated with getting your hands on it, you are not going to pay spot. You are going to pay a middleman or two on top of spot. Just like you don't pay a car dealer or grocery store what THEY pay for the product they sell you.

Others will fill you in on why spot is not a real number, but the laws of supply and demand are real laws.

new day new larp
>silber mommy knows what's best for you

>>53086743
it's pretty much like picrel - things to point out include:
>too thick - 3mm instead of 2.4mm
>significant metallic smell after contact with skin oils
>abnormally low relief
>faded details (from the photos I just figured it was heavily used)
>if not made out of a paramagnetic metal it'll fail the magnet slide test

>>53084081
not sure if trading with a 4chan anon is worth the hassle tbqh kek

>>53086780
Ope, think it might have been cheap because it was nickel.

>>53084899
Safety regulations combined with art students who were taught that beauty is subjective.

>>53086930

>>53087022
w-what do i have to do to have gold mummy?

Has anyone ever swapped gold for silver or vice versa?
Or silver for platinum?

>>53084807
>$110,000
>forgot to include the roof

>>53084899
Globo Homo, they want everything to look dystopian to dumb down everyone.

>>53086944
Fair to say. Especially going across the Atlantic.

>>53087077
yep everything from art to architecture has ben shit housed by neo kike libs

>>53080399
You can make money with gold and silver but entails a ton if hustle to take advantage of arbitrage. Persomally i dont think its woth the effort unless you alreafy have money

Honestly if you want to make money in gokd an silver, and ate willing to accepy the risk, then anon shpuld check out the mininh general and figure out which miners to invest in.

>>53080664
Silver also goes up, pic related its just more volatile than gold in the short term

>>53086417
Montana, what about you Anon?

>>53083871
The US military was just embarressed by illiterate farmers and havrnt been able to get close to their enlistment goals for a few years.

Meanwhile Saudi Arabia coallition is openly courting the BRICs and snubbing their nose at the pedo and chief

>>53079946
My favorite, hands down. Also, all of these games can be played online (for free) if you own Tabletop Simulator. Just need to host a lobby and gather enough players

>>53087494
Oops wrong thread. Plz ignore.

>>53087324
>32x Face
>$45/oz for circulated Silver Quarters
I guess the "JM" in JM Bullion stands for Jewish Merchants.

treasure posting starts now

>>53087538
>I guess the "JM" in JM Bullion stands for Jewish Merchants.

>>53087541

>>53087567
we was kangs chain

>>53087577

>>53087587

>>53087603

>>53087541
>>53087567
>>53087577
>>53087587
>>53087603
>>53087636

Good stuff, anon. I would wear all this stuff, even the diadem. If any man were to insult me, I'd cut him down with my golden sword and dagger.

>>53080954
>Forget the electricity shit, its a digit on a screen, it does not exist, its not even backed by anything, im all for any payment system that bypasses the bankers but bitcoin isn't it.

The thing that makes Bitcoin interesting is that it is a digit on a screen that has algorithmically enforced scarcity set at 21 million coins. That alone puts Bitcoin's digits ahead of USD's 30 trillion digits on a screen. But yes, Bitcoins infrastructure requirements are still a concern. While the government has grown better at tracking Bitcoin transactions on the blockchain, Bitcoin is still decentralized.

>>53084393

>could

Faggot

>>53087676
>I would wear all this stuff, even the diadem
Ywnbaw

>>53081568
https://www.moneymetals.com/mercury-dimes/279

>>53087825
I paid $100 for this a week ago from monument.

>>53087538
Yes, heres one with 20x face

https://silvergoldbull.com/1-face-value-bag-of-circulation-silver-dimes


But the point remains, a dollar of silver quarters is worth much, much more than a dollars worth of quarters from 65 on

>>53081568
Don’t buy Roosevelt dimes, he was the worst president in American History. Not only did he rope the US into WW2 and open the doors for Jewish immigration he was also anti gold and silver.

>>53087541

Hello fellow stackers. Anyone make gingerbread houses?

>>53087878
No.
Looking for a new years ritual for the senpai? Got any I could try out?

>>53084381
Is that a hungarian ak?
Who built it?

>>53080009
4 Harambe

>>53080120
Dammit Eurobro that sucks

>>53087494
for me, its scattergories

>>53087764
>Bitcoin is still decentralized.

No, everything has a back door, thats the way they created it and wanted it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QdCvssobis&ab_channel=TheMorganReport

>>53087871
I'm sure his face is what keeps those dimes cheap. If I got them I would consider melting them into spoons.

>>53087603
Stunning!

>>53087541
Gold fingernails for mummification. Egypt, 1450BC

>>53087878
Wife and just made one of the kit ones.

Always be stacking!

>>53087871
I would say it is a toss-up between FDR and Woodrow Wilson. Wilson approved the Federal Reserve, the income tax, and the beginning of the American global empire. Pretty fucking bad.

My colloidal silver skills are improving!

>>53082238
I would buy this

I have a question anons. Is there any reason I shouldn’t get denominations of gold coins like a 1/10 Oz coin? I’ve seen people say they only get these types when they get gold and others that say you shouldn’t get anything less than an Oz.

>>53088340
>right foot missing a toe
Ouch

If 1/10 of an ounce of gold is all you can afford go for it, if you can hold off and save up the amount you need for an entire ounce, you'll pay less.

example: This is 1/10 of an ounce and it's priced at $310. So you would need to spend $310 for an ounce of gold.

https://silvergoldbull.ca/1-10-oz-2022-american-eagle-gold-coin

However these gold bars are priced at $2640 for an ounce of gold, so you are saving yourself $500 by buying 1 ounce bars instead of fractionals. Understand?

https://silvergoldbull.ca/1-oz-argor-heraeus-gold-bar

>>53088340
Do they make one for your wiener?

>>53088575
Buy what you want, really. Gold is gold

>>53088575
The premiums for them are much higher than 1oz coins, other than that its probably the best way to own Gold.

>>53088654
If you want smaller amounts of gold just buy sovereigns

>>53088340
hot

>>53088756

>>53088782

Happy new year (in advance) gentlemen

>>53083644
except all those times when they locked out trading when stocks were mooning, crashing, when buttcoin was crashing after it hit $69k, etc. no big deal, just the times when you need to sell or buy it the most.

>>53088575
>https://findbullionprices.com/gold
Sometimes the old fractional coins are cheaper, sometimes not. I think they usually have more character than the new coins.

>>53088911
sorry wrong link
>https://findbullionprices.com/gold/closest-to-spot.php?category=gold&type=coins&weight=&fractional=0

Does anyone know a single place that has this for purchase?

>>53088975
I think you are like 4 years too late on that one.

>>53088975
Wow that looks really good in gold

>>53088996
Your pic related and Spiderman 2 made me think gold was actually in the currency when I was younger.

>>53088996
hm so how much gold does scrooge have in his vault by the looks of it? a few trillion dollars?

>>53089280
More gold than has ever been mined in history.

>>53088996
>>53089018
Why would they refuse to make something do cool?

>>53089280
He probably has half the gold that exists above ground. 340 trillion

>>53089280
A metric fuckton

>>53088420
that looks crazy oversaturated

>>53089364
>>53089345
>>53089316
well maybe he ordered it off wish

Any updates?

>>53080992
where can i buy/preorder this one?

frens, is pic related a good source of gold?

https://auragentum.de/1000-oes-goldmuenze-oesterreich-babenberger?number=1112012

i thought about getting 6 of these in 2022 while also paying into ETFs and buying silver.

>>53089763
*2023

>>53089763
I like it. It looks very '70s Germanic.

>>53089763
they look awesome and theyre a unique size which i think is cool. just dont spend too much because i dont think they have much if any num ismatic value.

i like shinies

>>53089745
Rounds are in hand and being shipped at the moment
>>53089754
Can't tell you or I'd risk a 7 day vacation unfortunately

>>53089754

>>53090346
You need to put your web site on a coin for good photography.

>>53090413
...That's a prime idea

>>53090413
It's a good idea but there'd probably need to be an Anonymint generic round for it

>>53089754
>>53090346
>>53090474
Could be subtle, like pic related. I don't know what minimum available size is though.

>>53090413
>>53090474
>>53090503
>>53090511
I personally find the idea of web address on PMs disgusting. It just don't look good, no mater the rest of the design.

>>53089754
Anon. It wasnt too hard to find searching. start at indigogo

>>53090538
Right.
I think though, you may have missed a hint.

>>53090503
Okay. You could even include an expletive about those who control post longevity here.
What nice photo it would make.
Or if it was on this round, what better symbol for resistance than displaying the source of themed silver? It would be legend: "The round that defied... them" Classic.

>>53090568

>>53080576
>insecure silver schizo sees fud everywhere
many such cases

>>53090511
I wouldn't want to ruin the design with that on it, but I'll keep the idea in mind for its own round

>>53090568
Not on the website for me? When is the presale dropping on this one?

>>53090538
>>53090595
I wasn't thinking on the meme presses, but a general in print round. Not that it's an actual mint (yet) mind. (That's not me making goals for you, mintanon, but I'm not writing off the possibility.)
Alternatively a logo or mintmark that's googlable.

>>53090732
My long term goal has always been to get machines of our own but along with the space for it that would be a lot of overhead. Maybe I'll be able to actually own a home some day and could run it out of a shop. Have coin holders over for bbq

>>53085504
this has happened 2x now, it's some hedge fund who realizes they can just buy all the plat and then comex has to settle with them privately.
I literally told u guys to buy plat for over a year and now it's gonna boom

I kept balking and missing coins. I should have bought that Aphrodite.

>>53090656
Any chance crusader will be a regular series?

Think this image looks neat.

While on the topic, have any of the mememints considered doing a run of non-meme rounds? Just a nice looking custom round that a normie wouldn't think twice about. Some anon posted this pic a while back, just a tracing/cleaning up of the classic seated liberty design. With a nice eagle reverse, I think it would be pretty neat as a modern take on classic styling.

>>53091070
As the reverse (much less cleaned up, lol).

>>53079998
>Like most here though I don’t expect to make any money unless there’s some sort of collapse in which case it will be impossible to get any monetary value out of it anyway
Retard alert. You WILL be rich thanks to PMs, and you WILL be happy.

>>53091070

>>53091070
>>53091184
Boobacoin when?

>>53082700
>We have 20% VAT in almost every nation
It's not true tho

Happy New Year pmg!

>>53091241
Happy New Year to you as well Anon. May it be joyous and prosperous for us all.

Happy new years, here’s a my 9999

>>53091070
>>53091089
I'd be down to do this. Could pay someone from fiverr to get a good 3d reference for the mint

>>53091444
Checked, Happy New Years

>>53091070
Pretty nice, but the tits could be bigger and the face less masculine.

>>53091070
That looks like Abby Shapiro sheeted liberty coin

>>53090675
That's the site. I just dunno when it'll become available. You'll probably hear something about it here.

Happy New Year, /pmg/!

Happy New Year, /pmg/!

>>53091070
I would buy a stack of these, for sure.

>>53092039

>>53092039

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>>53092039