/biz/ - Business & Finance

I don't care what happens anymore

I'm in gen x nihilist mode
I'm down by the worst I've been all year
I just don't care anymore that's all
What a dumb year
2023 will also be dumb
Just hope I live long enough to see America, Ukraine and Israel get nuked

maxed my 401k in 2022 and I'll do it again in 2023 if I don't get laid off

something feels off...

you you all think
>futures
will go up again aftermarket like yesterday?

I lost $10,518 buying the dip on Tesla in one week.
I first bought 200 shares on 12/21 at $138.46
after being immediately wrong, I doubled down at $130.53, for an average of $134.495
I then proceeded to ignore every warning sign, every trading rule, my entire trading system, for a week.
I did not practice risk management. I did not cut the loss when it was only a
>$200 loss
>$2,000 loss
>$4,000 loss
>$10,000 loss
I had so many opportunities to bail out, admit I was wrong. I did not take them. I insisted that "there's no possible way it makes another leg down here" when there was only bad news after bad news.
I convinced myself that it was oversold, and that surely the next day would be the bounce. That surely it would rebound - not expecting to make back the losses, but at least half of the losses. It just kept falling. And falling. And falling.
I have taken the loss. I have capitulated.
I am still up more than 60% on the year. It could be worse. I could be down on the year. But this was pretty fucking terrible. The loss, but mainly my total abandonment of risk management.
I am making this post for several reasons
>1. so that nobody makes the same mistake that I did
>2. so that scrapers may read my capitulation and rally the position for the rest of you are still holding and suffering
>3. so that you may point and laugh, and call me a retard for trying to catch the Tesla knife
There was no reason for me to be greedy and enter this trade.
Perhaps this post will signal the bottom in Tesla
Perhaps it will signal the move below $100
I cannot take another day, even though SSR uptick rule just got triggered, even though it's 8 days in a row of red, even though this is the longest red streak since 2018, even though this is the most oversold it has ever been, even though IVR is 99.9, even though Jan 2 sales report could rally 20%+ in a single day
The image of the man walking away sad from the diamonds with the pickaxe comes to mind
I am defeated.
You win, bobo. You win.

Excel bros, we have crossed the Rubicon...

Is that a cup and handjob pattern on MPW?

This whole week will be a bloodbath for stocks. TSLA and AMZN will keep bleeding out dry.

Well boys, Putin just banned all countries that put a price cap on oil, i.e. the EU

Guess its time to buy oil tanker and oil company stocks

Hard day at work and I came home to some divorce papers. Misses left for her parents. Thank god for a prenup. Not my fault I cheated on her, sex was terrible. I'll just keep buying the red days and stacking those dividends.

>>53036545
what am i looking at?

This is pointless so I’m just gonna gamble daily on 0dtes

I could heem every single oil bear ITT

>>53036574
dis is de wey

>>53036567
My Excel chart. The formula is predicting that the line will go below zero in 2023 and won't start meaningfully going back up until 2025

>>53036566
cokeboomer... say it aint so...

>>53036559
thats not how it works anon, the EU already isnt getting any gas or oil from russia. the oil and gas trade is rerouted through various shitholes (like Azerbaijan) and those sell it to europoors for 300% upprice. prices will remain high for the next 15 years but the EU will still get gas and oil

>>53036543
It'll get better, anon. Live to fight another day. This market is so fucking retarded rn

>>53036557
There is something hilariously ironic about amazon getting supet wealthy during covid because the mom and pops stores died... only to then get way more vunerable to consumer confidence. Its suffering because the samr shut down that made it explode now made their customers suffer and buy less

MONKEY PAW BITCH

>>53036543
congrats for getting out before losing more

What bonds are you buying?

>>53036614
yea but there's no y-axis labeled

>>53036493
Is the stock market just as simple as following interest rates?

Case 1: If interest rates go up, markets go down b/c companies and people have to pay their debt burdens (so as to avoid further debt burdens). We could also say the incomes of both companies and people go down precisely because there is less money circulating around due to people paying back their debts.

Case 2: If interest rates go down, markets go up because companies and people are able to borrow more money at a cheaper rate. Meaning people are able to produce more things at a large scale. We could also say that incomes of both companies and people go up precisely because there is more money circulating around due to the borrowing of more money.

Case 3: If interest rates remain stagnant, markets will slightly trend upwards because of technology. Technology simply allows people to do more things for lower costs. And because the driving force between companies and people is the want for more money, companies and people seek ways to effectively use their capital.

Case 4: Volatile interest rates has no meaningful benefits. Too unpredictable for anyone to make any meaningful future predictions and contributions. Such a nation that follows volatile interest rates is a declining nation, I suspect.

So what could be a potential strategy? My understanding:

1. We are currently in case 1. Thus hold cash and buy OTM puts.
- Fed can't raise rates forever because an equilibrium will come between equities and bonds, where people are earning enough money from bonds to start becoming productive again. Thus:

2. Fed enacts case 3, which is basically to stop raising rates. Thus, once there is a signal for no more raises, it becomes important for people to start deploying capital into equities. So buy equities and ATM calls or synthetic longs or call debit spreads.

2b. If fed lowers interest rates, the same logic still applies, just stronger / more volatile.

How correct is my assessment?

>>53036566
>prenup
kek these things are useless in court, enjoy getting half your shit taken away plus tip

>>53036543
Sorry anon, come join the boglehead investors. Being a boomer is comfy

>>53036566
>>53036616
Why did you even marry her if the sex was so bad you had to cheat
F

>>53036626
Yeah that's because I don't want you guys to know how much money I have/had/will-have. The line is showing my total profit/loss over time. It's not total account balance. Earlier this year, it was predicting the that the curve would bottom out well above the $0 line... but lately...

>>53036566
Prenups are worth as much as the toilet paper I wiped my dick on
You better have her killed or just start liquidating your shit fast
She's gonna get more than half, not fucking around anon
You seem way too laid-back about it

>>53036632
>>53036616
I've spend ages stacking these dividends. What can I do to save them? I'm thinking about giving them to my son and fleeing the country.

>>53036566
Why does this always have a Coke logo? What platform do you use? Also, who did you cheat on her with? An escort?

>>53036615
You raise a good point. You think it will be worth investing it at all? What's to stop Saudi Arabia to just crank up the pumps and increase supply to lower the prices for the europoors?

>>53036543
>I had so many opportunities to bail out, admit I was wrong. I did not take them.
Song of the bagholder.

>>53036653
Look at GME. Its become a near Q level cult. They just keep screeching about sticking it to the hedgies despite all of the hedgies already being out.

>futures

>>53036632
>>53036616
>>53036645
>>53036640
It’s an imposter

>>53036650
I cheated on her with her with her sister. I know how it sounds but she was adopted and she used to come babysit the kids a lot. One thing led to another.

She's not getting my shares. I had my whole retirement set up. She's not getting my fucken shares.

>>53036672
Sign... Not the first time either...
Real KO boomer will show up later, and when we ask he'll say "What? My wife is sitting on my lap right now..."

>>53036531
Up 15% ytd, stop buying and start selling kid

>>53036649
Imposter. T boomer died and was reincarnated as KO boomer.

>>53036566
Why was your day at work hard when it's always so easy, usually being done with everything within an hour and then just sitting around getting paid for nothing? I am so sorry to hear this, and hope tomorrow is back to easy days at work.

>>53036651
>What's to stop Saudi Arabia to just crank up the pumps and increase supply to lower the prices for the europoors?
Europeans decided to go with price caps. Saudis said this wouldn't fly so Biden said a jew to tell them to suck it up.

OPEC then cut production and invited China to the Kingdom to negotiate future plans. Turns out geopolitics and diplomacy and culture matters a fucking lot.

OIl doesn't spoil

>Futures

>>53036543
The End

>>53036666
bagholding is, imo, a bigger public health crisis than fentanyl

I took a sticky doodoo at work today. The kind dry tp can't take care of and spent the whole day with my cheeks glued shut.

Is this what being an NVDA investor is like?

>>53036712
once they add ethanol it does

>>53036651
>You think it will be worth investing it at all?
no clue, maybe if you find stocks of the companies that reroute russian oil and gas.
why would OPEC do that? they want the price of oil to stay high, they're making a shit ton of money

>>53036676
Bro lawyer up or get a hitman
Her lawyer will already be discussing with her about examining what you're holding and where it is
You may as well just kill her at this point, it'll be easier to do the time
She'll take way more than half, they only fucking chance you have is act very fast, liquidate it all and move it offshore, sell the house at a steal and for cash, and just get the fuck out to some other country
You might wanna do a proper thread on adv, pol or here and ask about all this

>>53036723
gme, bbby, and amc are a lesson to millennials that fundamentals are king and, yes dumbasses, you cannot fight the system

>>53036543
TSLA is just the canary.

Who wants to explain why NVDA is down almost 8% on a day where literally nothing was said about the company? Inb4 some faggot bear gloats - you guys legitimately have no explanation for stuff like this. I'm not even asking for the bull case, I'm asking why a stock is selling off so unbelievably hard when there's no public information indicating something negative. It goes against any attempt to logically explain the market, unless you just want to admit that it's incredibly manipulated.

>>53036727
For me that's every doodoo. I just don't poop unless it's before a shower.

I’m sorry anons I’m not actually Coke boomer.

>>53036764
i want you to stop talking like a grief striken faggot when his 291'st buttbuddy dies of girds

>>53036764
>he's still coping about NVDA

>>53036764
I mean the pe ratio is pretty high and they fucked up the design of their last cards. Also crypto still dead

>>53036543
>Perhaps this post will signal the bottom in Tesla
Amen brudda

>>53036630
Higher Interest rates put downward pressure on stock PE multiples because bonds become an attractive alternative and will compete for capital from investors. The main driver of stock market returns is earnings, which somewhat correlated to GDP. So a scenario where rates are high, and gdp growth is low will make stock prices go down, as they become less attractive on a risk adjusted basis compared to other investments. The main driver of interest rates is bond investors supply/demand for bonds. Timing the fed is hard, but after peak rates are priced in(higher for longer) and trough earnings are priced in, the market should bottom. Stocks bottom before the recession is at its worst, as the market is forward looking by about 6-12 months.

>>53036780
identity theft is a crime, now slowly put your hands up, anon!

>>53036779
Just eat a salad from time to time. You need some fiber

>>53036780
Why you little...

>>53036764
Because they're fabless faggots run by a chink. INTC is the white man's chip company that has their own God blessed fabs right here in the ole USA.

>>53036796
This can be seen in reits. Index is down almost 30% way more than the market. Because apparently people invest for the divy yield and are just selling to go to bonds

>>53036787
>>53036784
>>53036781
If you faggots would just try to answer my actual question I wouldn't come back. You keep avoiding it.

>>53036806
>>53036816
It’s not my fault.

>>53036630
Ignore what the fed does and watch treasury yields. No one can borrow from the fed but broker-dealer banks. Real lending rates are benchmarked to treasuries, like mortgages are 10y + some risk premium.

You're focused too much on borrowers, you need to look at lenders as well. In a high interest rate environment, lenders WANT to lend. In a low interest rate environment, lenders do NOT WANT to lend. Interest rates are a function of -demand- for money.

The fed is a lagging indicator, perpetually behind the curve because they look at backward looking data. Just look at their last 8 dot-plots for their own interest rate projections and see how much they've changed every 3 months.

Interest rates go down because lack of demand for money (cheaper price) -> sign of stagnation. Watch for yield curve inversions and which timeframes invert. The bond market is telling yoh when it thinks bad things will happen.

sqqq

You bet your ass I just invested in another 8 personal loans. My goal is to be able to invest in 2 loans a month using the interest paid by my loan portfolio

>>53036543
I can't fault you for trying to catch the knife because I would probably do the same and have done the same.
Tesla stands out to me as problematic for several reasons
>most of the value is tied to the CEO's pie in the sky promises of some future technology that is arguably infeasible
>the value of Tesla, an American car company, is greater than the combined value of almost all other American car companies despite the fact that very few people are driving these cars
>The electric car is proving to not be any more appealing to a consumer than a gasoline one so what's the point
Otherwise I am sorry for your loss. May your bags weigh lightly upon thine shoulders.

>>53036840
So when bond market say bad things gonna happen?

>>53036854
anime artists need to create a cartel and hold a monopoly on the means of AI production

>>53036857
Can you filter it by borrower's race?

>>53036811
Fiber makes it sticker for me.

>>53036872
That’s what the 640 credit score requirement does.

>>53036857
i can't wait to hear how your house of cards falls because you got drunk and bet it all on 0dte calls one day

>>53036828
Because REITs growth is directly tied to debt and the cost of debt goes up. If you gave a REIT 10% capitalization as a 3% loan right now they would immediately look for an acquisition target.

>>53036533
Even if you do get laid off, look on the bright side: that means you can shift your 401k investments from whatever retarded Boomer funds your company offers to IRA YOLOs.

>on the way to the car dealership to buy a truck
>entering parking lot
>have moment of clarity
>go home and put all the money into JEPI instead

They almost got me.

>>53036884
Kek

Why the fuck is bitcoin holding up so well? Every bullshit tech company in the world is eating shit, but the literal bigger fool scam is just stuck perpetually in a 300 dollar range band.

>>53036886
What does that even mean? The only calls I buy are leaps. Im talking about investing in personal loans. Nothing to do with 0dte options

>>53036906
i'm confused maybe, are you taking out eight personal loans?

>>53036862
The "norm" is a recession is likely after 2yr/10yr inverts that can be seen in about six months. However, there is a lack of many data points on it. It could take longer (as we are seeing) but has a 100% track record of signaling a recession.

>>53036543
At least you already capitulated and didn't do it 6 months from now when it's under $50.

>>53036902
Isn't almost all Bitcoin held by only five wallets or so?

>>53036902
It bled out first, and faster than tech with no relief rallies. BTC took the staircase down while tech is taking the roller coaster.

>>53036902
It's the future of money. Cope and seethe all you want, you know it to be true. Digits confirm.

>>53036543
If you like the company then buy back in after it declines another 70% from here and is fairly valued. It will likely go to zero though. Do you have any idea how many car manufacturers there were when the car was brand new. Almost none of them exist right now. Funny thing is that some of the first cars were electric. All bankrupt and long gone.

Teslas are shitty cars and are valued on hype AMD being the first to market to ride the virtue signaling wave with tech bubble money. But are dying. What is left is a shitty and stale product by a company run by a man with too many irons in the fire and more money than he knows what to do with. Better companies than his have gone out of business. Best case for Tesla shareholders is that Elon takes it private before the stock hits zero. You have a good 80% lower in share price before there is a chance that happens though.

>>53036879
If the hair is nappy, the credit’s crappy.

>>53036543
now short semis to make it all back

Welp good and bad day. Good - Added to my SWPPX and bagged INTC, took nap during the afternoon at my desk. Bad - Spent almost 75 at WMT for the following; pair of pants,drain snake (cause fuck paying $100 for a plumber to do the same thing),paper plates, plastic cups, 4pk AA batteries, packing tape, and pk of poker chips (already had the deck of cards)

>PLTR

does /smg/ think that slavs have the power to move the market at all?
https://twitter.com/301military/status/1607861038837383169

>>53036858

The other big problem is them being death traps. I like the idea of an electric car, but not so much the idea of it deciding to randomly catch fire in my garage, nor the idea of it deciding to merge into oncoming traffic or accelerate into the bumper of a semi.

I'll go ahead and be a late adopter once they've worked out the major problems. Once more stable solid-state batteries are ubiquitous, and there's some decent regulation and disclosure around driver assist algos so that I'm not Elon's crash test dummy.

>>53036995
Not those slavs

>>53036713
Kek can I get a source on that?

>>53036992
FYI: You've been impersonated
What are you going to do about it?

>>53036995
Remove kebab.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jC8JIjW2cw

>>53036992
I stole your identity and I stole your wife.

>>53036998
>Once more stable solid-state batteries are ubiquitous,
If.

>>53036858
I have seen many damaged Tesla Xs on the road, which stood out to me as odd since I'd imagine people with enough money for a 100k electric minivan would be appearance conscious enough to have them fixed immediately. I'm not sure if this is just a sign of overall economic downturn or difficulty in finding Tesla replacement parts body shops to work on them.

URANIUM is the answer

Bill gates thinks there will be ANOTHER economic shutdown in the future. Bearish for everything?

>>53036895
based

>>53036829
>complacency turns into anxiety. my stocks are taking longer to recover than I expected

>>53036543
Me with YANG for 3 months now. I just going to sell my yang bags tomorrow and write it off on my taxes, feels bad. i was up 100% yoy before i tried to catch the falling knife in October. Now i am up only maybe 20% yoy. feels bad

This stock market is more retarded than Hannah Hays. All these fucking red days and yet somehow the VIX is also red. 0 fucking sense. Fuck all of you and Hannah Hays in the asshole.

I submitted a market order for a mutual fund on fidelity the 24th. It’s still open. Why?

>futures

>natural gas down -1.5%
You've got to be fucking blowing me sidesways. You have to be absolutely shitting me.

>>53036917
No I’m investing in other people taking out loans. I put $25 towards each one. The goal is to have thousands of them

>>53037149
2023 won't be a good year to be a creditor

>Future Prices

>>53037086
>thinks
You mean knows and has planned for

>>53037140
>looks at natgas chart history
yikes

>>53037157
That makes me think it will be a great year. Always go against general consensus

>>53037140
Oooo, I think I may scoop some at these levels for a lil flip

>>53037157
if we all debt max we can take down the banks

>>53037149
what site?

>>53037149
This is literally what Prosper was doing in 2008 lol I'm so fucking glad I cashed out of this shit show before the greater depression

>>53037201
Prosper
>>53037204
No it isn’t. Before 2008 it was completely unregulated. Now the borrower must have a 640 credit score and investors can see the borrowers credit history

How in the everloving fuck is natural gas going DOWN? All of these niggas freezing and natural gas is tanking? I don't fucking buy it.

>>53036796
What if its a decade+ long depression instead? Would there be any leading indicators?

>>53037174
Yes the consensus is nothing will happen. This opinion is held by normies who never heard of the FED. That is the largest held opinion.

Economists, investors, hell just people willing to do a few hours of research know what shitshow is coming up. Just as they knew in 2000 and 2008. You're being contrarian to the minority who tends to be correct.

>>53036858
And the CEO just alienated Democrat supporters by sperging out on Twitter

>>53037222
It's going to warm up dramatically and be above average temps in a lot of the US starting tomorrow and stay around for at least a week maybe 2.

Okay, I'm ready for the crash.

>>53037218
640 isn't that much. I have like an 820 just by paying off my credit card. Plus someone can have a great credit score and still default when they get fired unexpectedly.

>>53036566
>Not my fault I cheated on her
kys

>>53037251
That’s why I only invest $25 per loan. Defaults happen but people paying back their loan with minimum monthly payments happens far more often.

LET THE MUSIC GUIDE YOU
https://youtu.be/R9_TlvhMmxU

Can someone, ANYONE, else please at least try to counter the overwhelmingly retardedly bearish sentiment in smg??? Stop letting these dumb motherfuckers run the narrative

>>53036538
please tell me this is a girls only scene

This is a good time to reload on OIL I think. I am buying OBE and CNQ
>>53037106
I am buying YANG soon as well. I think around $10 is the sweet spot

I put $10,000 in AMC calls at closing. My cunt wife Lauren says I shouldn't drink and trade, but what does that bitch know?

>>53037256
I'd gladly cheat on my wife (Lauren) with literally anyone.

>>53037264
Same pig different shade you aren't doing this with the intention of holding right?

>>53036764
>semi bagholding newfag still melting down
>nooo you can't explain why it went down that means it shouldn't have gone down it's rigged rigged rigged I tell you

Is it okay to just go 100% on SCHD?

>>53037273
I'm bullish this week, but your faggot response is making me rethink that

>SOXL is under 10 again
Give me one good reason I shouldn't just dump 10 grand in there and just forget about it until it hits 50 in 3 years time.

>>53037298
Yes I don’t expect to withdrawal from this account for years. I’m really just testing it out right now and seeing what kind of yield I can get this year. I also want to see how fast I can compound by reinvesting all my monthly payments into other loans.

>>53037326
wait until it is 6.20$

>>53036967
>Digits confirm
You cryptofags are inveterate gamblers

>>53037326
>one good reason
I just bought

so santa rally is supposed to be after xmas and before new years...

i-its coming soon right guys??

>futures

>148 replies
>0 mentions of TMV
Y'all gotta make bonds work for you.

>futures

https://g.chounyuu.com/image/113967

>>53037362
sorry, but we're in kwanzaa season, which means niggers steal your gains

>>53037362
satan rally happened premarket futures yesterday, but it was wiped out already.

>>53037383
Need to start a new general /bmg/ bond market general

Loaded up on the TSLA generational bottom.

>>53037383
Nobody understands bonds other than some vague conception of using them as an indicator.

Also baggie was big on TMV :/

>>53037383
I was talking about it earlier. Its gone up 30% or so from when bond 10yr was at 3.5

>>53036727
Flush the toilet then dip the toilet paper into the water to give your butt a good wet scrub.

It's over. Stocks will never go up again.

short tesla
long alstom
simple as

>>53037275
I would want to see a threesome personally, preferably with a muscular tall man so the bigger chick can hold the little one in a standing 69 while taking a dick from behind and later the man can fuck the big chick holding her up against a wall while the little one watches and masturbates.

>>53037383
>shilling TMV now that TLT is about to finish it's pullback
breh

Natty Gas is now -2%. Time to take some shots and let my Tesla self drive me to my private jet. Fuck Lauren and her skank ass. I know one of you fucked her.

Fuck, Natty gas is now -3%! Why did I buy this private jet? Fuck!

Whyd we dump today? I was out running errands before eoy so i coudnt watch the markets today.

>>53037518
It's the trend

im sure this has nothing to do with Musk buying Twitter, (((their))) playground and place to act like (((they))) hear the voice of (((the People))). nothing at all. nope. nothing to see here. move along, goyim- err i mean citizen.

>b-but it's overvalued!!!1!

ah yes. like all those other times it was overvalued, and still went higher. all those other times... when he didn't fuck with (((them)))... coincidence, im sure. right?

>>53037518
>running errands
hahaha like a little bitch, eh? Picking up some groceries? Make my soup, bitch.

>futures

I"M GONNA DDDUUUUUUUUUMMMMPPPPPPP!!

>>53037383
>not doing EDV for those 30 year gains
Not gonna make it

>>53037532
Tesla wasn't down 70% all the other times lol

>>53037532
Musk is one of (((them))).

>>53037326
I'm with you anon. I'm not dumping a ton in at once but I've probably put 2-3k into it this year in $50 increments. Bears have no idea what they're talking about.

>>53037518
the primary reason was two fold
>european central bank(s) indicating higher for longer
>china reopening aggressively stoking commodity rally = inflationary
both caused a sell off in the debt market and the terminal rate got bumped up to 5% today

>omg how the heck is nat gas down 2%
>BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPFFFFFTTHHHHHHHHHH
>now down 2.1%

>>53037149
>those amounts
>at those rates

Oh boy are about to learn a valuable lesson in loan risk management.

>>53037565
weak evidence. my point still stands.

>>53037576
Oh fuck OFF with this goalpost moving bullshit

>>53037579
nat gas is normally 3.5$

>>53037478
>>53037561
>These niggas think the flight to safety bid will counter new issuance during the '23 recession

>>53037591
Seethe redditor permabull.

>>53037576
Thanks anon. Futures were flattish so was surprised it tanked so hard.

Fuck your Arabian pieces of cow shit

>>53037591
this is unironically the narrative that is being pushed today
go look at yields, don't look only at US bonds
read these
https://www.forexlive.com/centralbank/ecbs-knot-says-the-bank-is-about-half-way-through-its-rate-hike-cycle-20221226/
https://www.forexlive.com/news/china-takes-the-final-step-to-embrace-living-with-covid-20221227/
https://www.forexlive.com/news/for-the-better-part-of-the-last-decade-this-wouldve-been-laughed-off-20221227/

>>53037587
whatever man, they are clearly using him to larp as the antichrist

>>53037149
Are these yearly yields or total debt yields over the lifespan?

>>53037596
>not knowing long term bonds return more than international
And this is extended long term anon

>>53037596
>thinks there is unlimited treasuries
lmao, lmfao even

>>53037608
retune your bot

>>53037548
Uh oh stinky

>>53037628
>just hot the paper for thirty years bro
>collect the payments on the coupon bro
>look at the yields bro
>what is bond convexity bro?

Sold my SQQQ and bought some TQQQ
What am I in for

>>53037656
>not using an etf
Shiggy Diggy

>>53037661
How’s a 98% loss over the next year sound to you?

>>53037670
Lol, I’m not holding this shit for a whole year retard

Emerging is beginning to outperform the indexes.

>>53037615
Yearly. But the yields come down because most people pay a little extra principle a month or pay the loan off earlier. You’re only going to see those mega yields when the borrower pays minimum payments for the entire lifespan of the loan

>>53037149
>investing in longs with a yield that exceeds triple C corporate junk bonds
you're going to get a very important lesson soon

>>53036566
Wow. You just went from boomer to loser. Kek.

>>53037680
This. Buy EMB when it dips back into the 70s. Easy.

>>53036902
market manipulation. it's unregulated. did you not see the FTX thing? they can just make up balances and trade book numbers.

>>53037729
The problem is when good nations like taiwan get the korea treatment and lumped into developed

>>53037676
Ok if you bought today, you’ll have a 15% loss into EOY, another 40% loss in January and you capitulate to sell the bottom or diamond hand that shit to sell just above break even on the February/ march bounce before the bottom falls out and we hit generational lows late June is my prediction.

>>53037757
Dude you cannot honestly be predicting "the bottom falling out" after over a year of selling. Fucking ridiculous.

>>53036829
The market is manipulated and none of them know because being a bear in 2022 is like spamming about how great SOXL is in 2021. /smg/ is like a cargo cult.

>>53037757
40% down in January is the best case scenario btw. You could easily be down on that shit 40%by EOY. The bottom could easily fall out into the end of the week here. We haven’t seen capitulation yet.

>>53036559
so thats why its getting greener

>>53036857
Based

>>53037768

>>53037768
Have you taken a gander at a chart?

Check it. We are in “the bottom alls out and the market goes no bid” territory. Going long here is picking up Pennie’s in front of a steamroller.

See how far we got above that red line? We are going as far below it. Nasdaq 6000 is very possible in the next year.

WRITE ATM PUTS ON CCJ RIGHT NOW YOU STUPID CUNTS

FREEEEEEE MONEY

>>53037768
Zoom out dude. do you think the economy actually doubled in size over two years during a pandemic?
it was propped up by funny money and now the funny money is all gone.
SPY will close below 300 next year

>>53037799
Original poster. I’m just wanting TQQQ to bounce to 20 so I can reenter SQQQ

>>53037810
STUPID CUNT LOL
>>>/pol/

>>53036511
Fatigued crab anon.

>>53037817

>>53037799
>>53037774
The S&P hasn’t even really started it’s bear market. It’s still above the moving average. Guess where it goes next?

If you guess dramatically lower you win!

>>53037821
eat my ass, chuddius maximus

spx 5000 by 2024

>>53037816
Pennys in front of a steamroller I say. If you are thinking we bounce you should be hedging short deltas with OTM puts below your short gamma break evens not flipping long.


But you do you.

>>53037799
I feel like next year we'll bottom out around 7-8k and move sideways for years to come probably, provided inflation does slow down in the intermediate term like its projected to. It's definitely going to go up again in 2024 when the new stimulus checks and the 1+ trillion dollar bill makes its effects known.

>>53037844
t. looked at the dot com bubble crash on a graph a couple times

Are any GEOchads in the thread?

How do you see the gains for 2023?

>>53036543
I'm curious what rules you actually have for risk management and why you chose to ignore them in the first place. I had the same thought as you which is why I sold 35 dte puts last wednesday, but after the failed rally on friday I closed them out for a marginal gain.

>>53037893
>recession occurs
>______ go back to selling drugs and get arrested
very bullish on GEO

Most of the big brain investors I follow are predicting around 4+ years of stagnation and crab between 340-380 up and down randomly.
Think of it as a time to accumulate.

I suggest buying JEPI and using the throw off dividends to buy VOO/SCHD.

>all this bear apocalypse TA posting

>>53037910

I surely will enjoy my GEO shares in jail.

>>53037891
I’m talking about the next year being terrible compared to this year you tard.

>>53037929
to understand the psychology of bears you need only look at zerohedge. it doesnt matter that they are wrong 1000s of times about the end of civilization and economics, they will still keep writing articles and gaining followers.

Going all in on TSLA puts tomorrow. I should've done this a LONG TIME AGO. Hopefully it keeps on drilling.

>>53037841
I only have 100 shares. Maybe I’ll get back into SQQQ tomorrow

>>53037929
Yeah and they love to ignore any remotely bullish TA, like how a ton of things are super oversold on long term charts

>>53037897
>sell losers quickly - admit wrong very quickly
>trade 2:1 reward:risk - risk losing 1% to make 2% minimum
>let winners run
>don't martingale
>don't add to losing positions - losers add to losers
>set a predetermined amount willing to lose on the trade - if passes that amount, sell / cover no ifs ands or buts
>as soon as you recognize what you should do, do it - don't capitulate mentally but fail to actually trade capitulate
>react don't predict
>position sizing too large
>take a small loss and move on to a better opportunity
among many others that I violated

>>53037383
I got a little bit in TMV. I was holding both TMF and TMV and sold my TMF after the whole japan event.

>>53037949
Stock prices going down is not the end of civilization.

>>53037081
Many people live beyond their means.

>>53037971
Without the idea of infinite growth and trust in the economy society would collapse. If you dispute this you dont know shit

>>53037962
>>53037949
It. Was. Clearly. A. Massive. Bubble. Though.

>>53038012
The s&p 500 of 2021 is no longer the s&p 500 of 2023.

>>53038007
Sometimes growth goes negative and we call those periods recessions. stop posting you're particularly retarded even for a mumu.

>>53038007
We've had 3 40% contractions in the S&P 500 in the last 25 years. Civilization did not end then and will not now.

>>53036543
i'm buying some longshot calls friday, wherever the price is. the relentless selling reminds me of roku at the end of 2018. it was tax loss harvesting. come the new year, it shot up when the selling pressure abated.

>>53038023
Yes it is, mostly.

>>53037949
Market cycles are normal. Companies don't grow indefinitely or last indefinitely. There will always be unlucky people holding bags. That's a fact of life.

>>53037312
yeah
it's an index fund so you'll be mostly safe long term, plus okay dividends
whether that's appealing is up to you

Question

If the theta decay of 0.09 triggers tomorrow on tesla 80p worth 10 dollars, wouldn't that mean the option would effectively be 1 dollar per option?

>>53038028
This time it's different. Fertility rate is collapsing worldwide due to economic pressures, climate change is already threatening the way of life of many. Without hope for improvement we will see a massive shakeup.

>breaking
BOJ announce unscheduled bond buying operation
>bloomberg

>>53038012
Bubble popped a year ago, get with it

>anons are still buying puts on TSLA and NVDA despite record oversold RSI readings on both

>>53038048
JFC

I think I'm gonna open some shorts on energy

>>53038085
write naked calls on UUUU it's free money

>>53038058
isn't that good?

>>53037830
>spx 5000 by 2024

>>53038048
>This time it's different. Fertility rate is collapsing worldwide due to economic pressures, climate change is already threatening the way of life of many. Without hope for improvement we will see a massive shakeup.

>>53038070
No it began deflating a year ago.

>futures

>>53038048

>>53038098
Unannounced national level policy changes arent ever good really.

>>53038058
Widowmaker strikes again.

So how we doing oil bros? We seeing $100 again?

>Japan is somehow the lynchpin in the global economy
Lol bears are fucking desperate

>>53038143
>been trying to force inflation for 4 decades to spur the the economy
>it finally happens
>everything collapses
I'm starting to think the Japanese don't know what the fuck they are doing

I hate the British so fucking much. Got into an arguement with an english girl over lipton and how it would be the closest to English style tea she would drink in the U.S.

>>53037962
>oversold
Yeah dying companies like Gamestop and Bed Bath and Beyond. TA doesn’t matter unless its for something important, not your formerly subsidized overpriced tech startups or penny stocks. We’re still as high as we were almost half a year ago and we’ll drop a lot further when every country raise rates even higher the next couple of months at the very least.

>>53038111
ukraine war wasnt enough for you to see this is the point of no return for the globe? expect more earth shattering conflicts that rock the economic sector if things aren't fixed fast

HO HO HO MERRY CHRI...ACK

>>53038058
Damn it I JUST paid for some weeb shit an hour ago FUCK.

>>53038143
Great performance out there today mumu. Really showed bobo how to win the year.

>>53038160
They dont, they cmjust copy what other people (whites) do without true understanding

>>53036895
>Not buying the dip
Never change, /smg/

>>53038177
Are you a Peter Zeihan enjoyer?

>>53038058
You bought WHAT?! Sell it if you even can.

>>53036493
ugly poo frog

>REITs are down 27%
Oh this is nice

>>53038177
>The Ukraine "war" is an "earth shattering conflict"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH FUCK holy shit I literally spit out my beer

>>53038177
>Ukraine War
>Earth shattering
My dude Ukraine is like the North Dekota of Europe its not like China started a land invasion of India or some shit.

>>53038212
I am kicking myself for not following my own thesis and buying storage reits early. Now I'm bagholding when I knew it was going to get much worse.

So can one of you tards give me an honest answer what’s gonna happen to my TQQQ, I just want to sell it at 20
(I say this knowing full well that you can’t predict future)

>>53038058
Bearish for global stocks?

>>53038241
sell when ES hits 4050

>>53038110
Holy shit, what is that thing? Fucking strong to punch arms off!

>>53038241
Bagholder just give up the bags now and cut your losses

>>53038171
Most Brits in the US drink Lipton. My grandma drank it her whole time she was here. I prefer Twinings though.

>>53038228
>China started a land invasion of India
Now thats a kino war.

>>53038179
Santa is shoving coal down investors throats until they choke kek

>>53036566
You're a faggot and I hope your life gets ruined

>>53038253
But I just bought at the end of today Haha

>>53038251
mantis shrimp

also go check out the pistol shrimp

>>53038260
I know, and she tried to say I was wrong because it was used to be "iced" in the south.

>>53038268
>he tried to catch the falling knife. rip

>>53038271
mantis the one with the club? Pistol the one that shoots the bubble?

>>53038281
yes

>>53038197
never heard of him
>>53038213
>>53038228
afghanistan was a small domino too and yet it collapsed the soviet union, you guys are short sighted to what this means for a global economy stacked like a deck of cards. it must be resolved quickly and effectively to reduce contagion

>>53036744
did i accidentally open /r9k/?

>>53038268
Here, i think you need this more than i do.

Lmao wait no one told me tesla dumped 10% today.

>>53038294
no, there are a lot of glowies here now

>>53038171
Lipton is very weak. Barry’s is Irish but it’s sold at most supermarkets in the US. So that would be the best bet for a Brit in the US. I used to order Yorkshire Tea from the UK on Amazon, but I just buy Barry’s at the store now. It’s just as good. Not a Brit. I just love black tea.

>>53038251
>>53038272
>>53038281
one of these guys creates a jet of plasma when it punches i think. its so powerful it like creates a sonic boom under water or someshit. its farkin crazy brah, dont fuck with em brah.

>>53038233
All the top reits are great. O, PLD, AMT, I'm just holding the index and I love it. Reits are the ultimate inflation/deflation hedge

>>53037949
>they are wrong because it hasn't happened just yet
2 weeks you queer

>futures
https://youtu.be/Dkl4G4O-X-k

>>53037949
I really adore how zerohedge took a page out of the globalists playbook on global warming.

>>53038306
Just another Tuesday

>>53038263
Fistfights in the Himalayas sounds like someone got bored and cooked up a custom COD map.

> futuros

>futures

https://youtu.be/x-XhUhokt6E

Not the best thread, but I believe that we can make the next one better.

>>53038402
im gonna make the next one worse. fuck you.

>>53038402
unironically the best one we had all day

>>53038402
Don't get your hopes up

>>53038204
kek

>futures

Sex

>>53038434
Love

>>53038134
Im a bit scared , its crabbing and oil cant hold $80 .

>>53038462
>>53038462
>>53038462
>>53038462
https://boards.4channel.org/biz/thread/5303846253038462
>>53038462

>>53036566
The vitriole against KO boomer is not only uncalled for but monitored :( We got you boomer

Too much fear on the street

RIP your face off rally about to happen into new years

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>>53037595
you missed the joke retard