/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>53002730
nah i don't think it will be that bad. that's psychotic

oldfag insider from the 1500s here OP is right, imagine buying anything after the 18th century lmao wouldn't be me

enjoy getting dumped on.by the founding forefathers

>>53002730
Daily reminder that finance and economics is pseudoscientific make believe garbage and capitalism is inherently unstable, exploitative and unsustainable with a built in expiration date. Ever escalating recessions, poverty, debt, wealth inequality, monopolies, disease, pollution, exploitation, slavery, conflict and wars are fundamental, necessary and intended principles of it, NOT glitches. Greed, selfishness, lying, cheating, stealing, competition, conflict, slavery and war are behaviors highly encouraged and incentivized under capitalism. It is LITERALLY cancer and i dont mean it metaphorically, i mean it literally, it shares the exact same functions and principles as a cancer cell.

Empires dont fall because they "didnt do finance right". Empires fall exactly because they DID perform finance correctly. Finance and empires are two sides of the same coin. Both parasitic and cancerous with a built in expiration date that comes when they have consumed and enslaved everything and they can no longer find things to sacrifice to sustain them

Parasites like you perish when that happens

>>53002730
The only way we plummet that hard is if nukes starts getting dropped or the bees went extinct.

>>53002730
Hungry fourties bros, our time is coming

>>53002730
Since you guys love to laugh and greatly disbelief in bubbles because many of you are still bagholding bitcoin ill show you a picture of a illustration of bitcoin from 1700s that Issac Newton was a early buyer and sold in loss

>>53002764
You referring to this chart? Yh that chart done bro

>>53002730
GDP has to fall to that happen.
To fall GDP, either we have to forget our technology or maximum people must die.
Both things are not probable.
Very unlikely

>>53002764
Communism Lost.

>>53002758

>>53002846
What GDP? No one owns money in usa bro.. every person I know is deep down drowned in debt and all kinds of debt. The heck is saving up? Is that a thing of the forefathers ?

>>53002730
the fuck does this chart even mean, "history of share prices". the average of all share prices means jack shit when you can just make the share price astronomically large (berkshire) or worth pennies depending on shares outstanding. truly a retarded chart to speculate on

>>53002871
> share value and money are same
> share value and debt of country are same
What?

>>53002877
Learn book order sir not hard to send spx to 0$

>>53002828
ah yes surely this pump and dump that took place in less than a year for one company is the exact same as bitcoin which has been around for a decade

>>53002730
you are either profoundly mentally retarded, or are an 8 year old trying to sound smart. either way, fuck off, your opinion is invalid.

>>53002895
Your maxi days are over learn how bubble pops work. New tech> normie fomo > ded

>>53002901
And You're on 4chan biz searching for the next 2017 runner during Christmas?

>>53002920
>christmas
i don't get financial advice from shitposting faggots, and i don't care about holidays. im here for my own entertainment.

>>53002764
>capitalism is inherently unstable
As compared to what?

>>53002951
These socialist sympathizers think world runs like fairy tales and there are "good guys" and "bad guys"

>>53002985
If u wanna put it that way there's technically is bad and good guys

>>53002758
I kek’d

>>53003005
Nature doesn't care.
Good and bad only exist in our minds.

>>53003016
Mah mind is projected from what mah eyes see

YES 0.001 CENT SHARES, WAIT CHADS OUR TIME HAS COME

>>53002764
Let me guess, you're unsuccessful and bitter. You probably have a bad relationship with your parents and cope with "they just don't understand me". Youre a downer at family gatherings, at Thanksgiving you've probably stood on the 'columbus/pilgrims/settlers were genocidal' or something similar. You work minimum wage jobs or nearly so. You were not even remotely popular in highschool. You think that communism is great but ignore the insanely high death count. You own clothing or pins with che Guevara on them. You think conservatives are fascists so you vote democrats. You 'fucking love science'. You're vaxxed and likely boosted. You think semi automatic guns should be banned even though you're not sure what semi auto means. You think trans women should be able to compete in sports against women even in MMA sports. You think the US and NATO would win a nuclear war against Russia. You hold xrp and maybe vechain. You might be vegan or vegetarian, which means you're probably overweight and unhealthy and have terrible body odor. You've never had sex with a woman whose a 6 or hotter.

How'd I do? How many of those were spot on?

>>53002985
Because they're too busy doing busy work to actually think or read anything worth reading.
Socialist rabble is like 200 words of vitriol proceeded by 'capitalism is the problem'.
Milton Friedman needs fuckign 8 hours on PBS to explain why people should choose freedom.
Humanity is fucking retarded.

>>53003029
weak must fear the strong
Strong impose their will upon weak.

Be strong or perish. No one cares about your "good" and "bad"

>>53003048
It isn't hard to get the Dutch squad from 1700 to dump spx

>>53002730
Nah we can kick the can down the road a few more times before hyper inflation. It'll take a while to unwind this world reserve currency thing.

strange how WWII/holocausts started the recovery of the worst crash on the chart

pedophile spambot thread.

>>53003121
War is good merica takes booty

>>53002730
Kek the shows gonna go on until the boomers die but uhhh stay poor OP keep coping

>>53003121
War economy stimulated the economy and pulled US out of recession.
It was hitler who pulled US out of depression indirectly.

>>53003140
Anon I sold mah bags b4 u did

>>53002730
A ww3 would actually fix the bubble popping issue desu lots of economic stimulus during wars

>>53002951
Anything non authoritarian/heirarchical/exploitative

>>53003203
Lol
Checking your time though

>>53003286
What does that mean

>>53003203
Name one successful large scale society that is still around today or was ever capable of doing that

>>53002730
>everyone knows the game

No they don't. that's why it's "the game" dumb nigger.

>>53002730
This chart is retarded beyond the measure... ahahha get it? Measure lol.
Op kys for spreading trash. Although yes, progression will slowly become to stagnate in about 100 yrs.

>>53003409
All ecosystems operate with these principles. Humans are the only exception who form authoritarian systems. This is why all life on earth has been murdered and we are charging full speed towards a global extinction event. Life has been forming stable and sustainable ecosystems for millenia. Human societies also were almost always never like that. It is only in the past 1000 years this phenomenon has appeared

But whatever floats your boat it is always the same braindead "arguments" from parasites. "HuMaN nAtuRe" "AltErnaTiVes NeVer Work"

>>53002730
>trying this hard to justify your basement full of prepper food

Not only is this schizo behaviour. It's incel behavior.

>>53004054
>It is only in the past 1000 years this phenomenon has appeared

Kike hands typed this post. Conveniently leaving out the eras where kikes were either robbed of their stolen wealth or banned from participating in finance.

>>53004054
so, WHAT is the best system? what is an example of an alternative system? how would it work without exploitation?

>>53004712
Communism. And i know you will seethe at this word bbecause of decades long red scare propaganda directly beamed into your brain since birth but whateverz. There is a reason why communists have been saying "socialism or extinction" for 200 years now

>>53004054
Ha! You couldn't name a viable economic alternative so you jumped to biology and evolution.
Ok then

> MUH Global extinction event
So then are humans to blame for the other FOUR mass extinction events that happened before humans were even around!? Crazy shit is always happening to this planet long before mankind was been here.

> Life has been form stable and sustainable ecosystems for millennia
That's survivor's bias, ecosystems can collapse with evasive or new species. That is why evolution is a biological arms races that is constantly trying new things to out breed and out pace the other species.

Your commie arguments don't make sense either economical or scientifically.

>>53002910
>new tech
its constantly new tech, so the bubble can never pop, get fucked nigger

>>53004907
I dont understand what the fascist/capitalist endgame is. Why are you tryharding so much to evilmaxx? What exactly is your end game? Why do "people" like you go to such insane lenghts and perform such insane mental gymnastics to justify the unjustifiable? Even if you do lead your life with "might makes right" principle and become a souless psychopathic sadomasochistic soldier who consumes and murders everything in his path what exactly are you trying to achieve? To create offspring? Even if that was your goal cant you see that your offspring will die in the ruined world youve created? You will have died an early death living a life in perpetual war and your offspring will have inherited a hostile and ruined world where they will be alone and everyone will want to kill them. And even if by some miracle you survive and exist in the same timespace as them you will be nothing more than a bitter broken soldier and the only thing you will be able to offer them is trauma. You will beat them to submission. That's all you do. You will break your children like you break everything else. So your children in every single scenario end up alone, wounded and soon to be dead. Nothing you typed is true. Ecosystems and living beings dont operate like that and neither do they suddenly collapse. They change perhaps but biodiversity always exists in harmony

>>53002758
Top kek

>>53002758
19th*

>>53002758
ye olde sodomite maketh me laugh

>>53002730
Alts will pump in 2024 after the next BTC halving. Who the crap knows what happens until then.

>>53002764
This tbqh

>>53005063
Y'know what Tankie I might hate communism more than anything imaginable but I will both admit your point that unrestricted capitalism is bad while explaining why I hate capitalism less than communism by pointing to any communistic regime that has ever existed and then laughing heartily. At least with capitalism you have a chance to "rape, kill, and steal" your way to less shit circumstances. Under communism you're just fucked unless you were lucky enough to come out of the right dick or land in the right cunt, and that's just monarchism with extra steps.

You sound like a dictator pointing at how shit democracy is, it doesn't really matter how accurate your criticisms are when you won't levy any against yourself. Merry Christmas, touch snow or grass.

>>53002730
>he actually thinks we could go down to the 1800s level economy
This is why you always do the opposite of /biz/
This place is filled with retards

was listening to a doomer, we're likely past peak oil so there's no more cheap energy to sustain the global economy.
expect backwards progress, retiring professionals with hard skills in the real economy (anything involving resource extraction, production and logistics) and an ever increasing mass of people with soft skills and no skills

zerohedge also did a similar article except they dug up russell napier's financial repression theory again. lack of global cooperation means Americans have to start being factory wagies again.. consumers have to pay $50 for their dollar store gadget instead of $1.. honestly that's bleak. imagine having to work.

>>53002730
Obviously facts. We are bursting at the seams of pushing as much debt as we can into individuals. Debt...must be repaid.

>>53002730
No Tulip Mania? Wtf?

>>53005539
More mental gymnastics. Authoritarian socialist countries are authoritarian because they are trapped in reactionary military societies in order to survive the onslaught of cultural, economic and military war waged against them.
Moreover, if you valued democracy the purest form on this damned Earth in a modern economy are the socialist mondragon cooperative federation in the Basque Country which is a multibillion dollar operation and growing.
But you don't even know what the word "communist" means. You unironically believe zionist lies thrown at you since birth and are incapable of basic source checking and statistics.
No matter, the rate of profit keeps falling. This is the last century of capital. You will be looked upon either in ruin as ruiners or in scorn as fools.

>>53006446
>Americans have to start being factory wagies again
this is optimistic. automation is about to hit hard.

>>53003149
Sold my bags during the South Sea Bubble. The fundamentals felt wrong.

>>53006446
>no more cheap energy
Biodiesel and ethanol my nigga.

>>53002846
>maximum people must die.
most people took the mrna jab

>>53002828
White curly haired faggots lost their mind over a 4x kek

>>53004054
>non authoritarian/heirarchical/exploitative
>all ecosystems operate with these principles
Nature is inherently authoritarian, hierarchical and exploitative. The strong dominate the weak, they kill them because they can or otherwise relegate them to a lower status wherein they get less food and no access to females. Many animals act like this, think lions and wolves, etc. As do primates and humans. There will always be superior and inferior humans. Unfortunately for you, you're inferior judging by the fact that you couldn't work this out yourself.

>>53007185
they done that in France and now crying olive oil and wheat is too expensive since all farmer switch to bio ethanol paying more

>>53006446
Peak oil is a meme. And even if/when it happens, all we need to do is make the switch to nuclear + battery tech for good (preferably by killing off all "green" parties the world over).

>>53006446
It's a dirty, slightly open secret that oil is actually a renewable resource.

>>53002764
Kys

>>53007401
it s xmas. maybe you can wait monday to drop some KYS

>>53004857
You just pointed out how your (losing) team has been repeating the same point for 2 CENTURIES and it hasn’t worked, clearly you need a new plan. Any ideas of your own, follower beta? You care to name one communist country that has magically erased greed and parasitic behavior without committing mass murder, only to have the entire nations greed concentrated into the tiny political groups at the top? The greedy “parasites” that you despise so much are never ending, they are eternal, they will show their face under any system of society, they are master chameleon personalities who will tell you exactly what you want to hear to GET ABOVE you under any circumstances, skating any laws that they can get away with. You act like psychopaths and narcissists dont thrive in a communist country, it’s because you are western scum who has never even heard of communism and what it does to the minds of a population. Die poor, fuck you on /biz/ for anyways, wagie debt slave?

>>53007069
He left out the fact that we will be working for slave wages, much cheaper than robots.

>>53007483
pic rel is cheaper than robot or wagies

>>53004054
When rabbits, cane toads, and cats were introduced to Australia, they immediately spiralled out of control. Do you know why? It's because not one of them gave a single shit about the ecosystem, just making it work for them.

>>53007500
Nothing wrong with this, he will have a nice car to slay pussy in when he’s 16 and can do better than I did. He can have a car and Rolex by age 18 no problem, go off to college or get a real job in the trades, and have enough startup capital to start a real business before age 30. All easy shit.

>>53002828
What are you even trying to prove with this?
>>53007500
this lil nigga is probably some bizcels supervisor right now telling him to mop the floors

>>53005063
This is a /biz/ board, which is about trade, shit coins, and business.
I'm anti communist because communism leads to government slavery.
I'm sorry that your step-dad beat you or touched, but not all strong men are evil.
Soldiers can be moral and just.
You're pathetic and can never stay on one topic.
>>neither do they suddenly collapse
Your previous post was about mass extinction events. Then how else do they collapse?
You cry that everything is evil but offer no solutions or realistic alternatives.
Capitalism may be shit but it's the only one that works.
There is a lot more to life like friends and family.
Merry Christmas and touch grass

>>53008248
It sounds like some 50 cent soldier shitposting into the night trying to earn enough social credit for some bing chilling.

>>53003035
I hate capitalism and I'm NatSoc, everything you listed was off for me bro, sorry. I'm 6'3, just hit a 405 bench 1RM. My family loves and supports me. I have a few close friends from high-school. Just got out of a 4yr relationship with an 8/10 who's pussy I pounded 3-5 times/week on average (session, not total nuts busted, which was 3-4 per session). I don't have much money, but I have 1 year left on my CS degree and have some nice prospects lined up.

Again, sorry to disappoint you. My life is pretty good. Not from capitalistic materialist possessions, but from my great family and buddies who I cherish, and my future killing you anti-white capitalists by swinging you from lamp posts. Life's fkn great man.

>>53002730
YOU HAD 500 YEARS

>>53007500
Is that a ni99er in the blockchain

>>53008566
Post arms

>>53002758
Based and past-pilled

>>53002764
>accounting principles discovered and defined by a contemporary of Leonardo De Vinci are super duper fake cuz capitalism, even though Adam smith had not discovered and defined capitalism until two centuries later
Sorry you’re: poor, retarded, probably short, and gay bro

>>53005063
I prefer to evilmaxx by paying 100 times what you do in taxes personally. Parasite.

>>53008248
How do you cope with the fact that for the past 50 years the most successful capitalist country is SINGLE PARTY COMMUNIST CHINA?

>>53002730
>not vs m1
kys scum

>>53002764
Basado

>>53008566
Epic larp nazi

>>53005063
>a souless psychopathic sadomasochistic soldier who consumes and murders everything in his path
Im pic related and you are a screeching hyena. All you do is try to find other losers so you can take away our wealth with some wannabestrength you like to gain by numbers. My ancestors have al been warriors and i think theyd be happy to see what their actions achieved for their offspring
All your arguments are based on your morls. Thisthat bad cause it causes bad feelings. Poor victims dont deserve beeing this and that. Your fucking morals dont mean shit and you need to find a better thing to make me change my actions. You are not my boss. Even if you have made up moral arguments to justify telling me what i am not allowed to do
Oh and i saw that copypasta efore, kikedpammer. FUCK OFF

>>53002764
>Empires dont fall because they "didnt do finance right"
Can you name something that makes empires fall faster than beeing noncapitalist?

>>53008566
YOU ARE FUCKING LYING KIKESCUM. NOTHING MORE

>>53005063
>Why are you tryharding so much to evilmaxx
Bc we hate you. We are disgusted by you. We want a world so free we can kill you disgenyc scum. A world so fair that you and al the other losers perish. I will continue to fight for freedom until we are legaly alowed to put bullets in ppl like you who try to take away our freedom. And then i will start to fight for freedom!
To the next point:
My fucking children dont need me. Their topgenetics will lead them to glorry. A supporter of a mumystate like you thinks ppl are lost without care and support. But thats only true for weaklings like you. Strong and free individuals thrive even more when they are forced to look out for themselves.
Did you ever look out the window? Yes. Thats what hundres of years of war and capitalism brought us. I dont see any problems, mate

>>53002730
Your mom's cherry officially popped when I fucked her and she gave birth to you, fucking pathetic imbecile.

>>53002764
Dumbest shit i‘ve ever heard, capitalism works like a charm if done with sound money. Its just that da jooz get greedy, force a move into FIAT and then enrich themselves at everybody elses expense.
Kys

>>53010472
Do you really expect commie retards to understand individual freedom. Fly them all to north korea and cuba and lets see them live in a shithole commie country. Its easy to criticize capitalism from their comfy heated homes with electricity to connect internet. They dont even understand supply and demand mechanism.

>>53007500
kid is based

>>53002850
Unfortunately what the West has been pursuing for the last 75 years is just a watered down disguised version of Communism, it has now failed and it will take everything down with it.

>>53010416
Being ran by Jews.
First Russia and now the USA.

>>53002764
>bad thing is necessary for bad thing to continue!

You're fucking retarded.

>>53002764
how much did you lose

Most people will be hungry and homeless within the next few years.

>The collapse will happen because the bubble is popped.
It has gone up about 500% just since y2k. Capitulation from that would render any non-material investment absolutely useless: Money, bonds, stocks, gold, and real estate and every other store of value would get utterly destroyed if the stock market capitulates. We'd go back to the bronze age since there aren't enough commodities on earth to satisfy the demand such an event would create. It would be total catastrophe: All communications and information technology would be rendered useless, let alone crypto. Wars for energy and materials would break out and energy companies would collapse. It's a literal distopian future, Fallout style. If you think anyone can be prepared for such an event, you're absolutely wrong. It'd take mankind around 5 generations to recover -if ever- from an economic reset of that magnitude. It's a lot easier to keep number going up and gradually fill the market with more onions, recycled plastic and carcinogens and gradually neutering the excessive population while demographics turn negative again. Meanwhile, brown people can provide enough manpower to keep the whole thing running and are adapted to low living standards.

>>53002730
Inflation is a thing retard, adjust the % gains to % rise on inflation. We will go down like never seen before in our lifetimes but won't go to 18th century levels lol