/biz/ - Business & Finance

i just don't like the niggers
is that so wrong?

Meta not looking too bad rn with musk running Twitter into the grave

First for I need a 1920s style shaggy and Scooby Doo type sleeping cap with a ball on the end of it. It's super cold and I'm in the south

Man nasdaq is getting HEEMED right now what the fuck, why?

>>52989549

$+0.03

>>52989561
That's just what it do is all

>>52989561
Dont care as long OIL is rising as it should be

I want to know what love feels like someday. How do I aquire love and what is the cost?

https://twitter.com/GuyDealership/status/1603794722140688384

>the car loans problem
There's no problem, just put them in Securitization noted AAA+, what could go wrong.

>>52989589
I feels like this fren

>>52989589
the cost doesnt matter if the yield is worth it

>>52989562
Doesn't seem like much kind sirs, but over here that's worth 2.49 rupees Mr sir

>>52989589
The price is pretty high.
>Washing yourself regularly
>pretending that you are always fine
>clean flat/house
>a car, doenst have to be too expensive
>atleast 6'1
>blond, no receeding hairline
>white
>7 inch wiener

>>52989562
>>52989549
meta is the only fagma company im bullish on. the rest have 30% more to drop.

any PCE predictions?
CPI came in lower on Dec. 13 can we assume PCE lower too? calls would print hard if lower

>>52989635
we know whats about to happen

>>52989592
I've never understood why people go into debt for a fucking car. They're not THAT expensive, and buying one that costs as much as your house is just retarded.

>>52989635
obviously coming in lower yoy, and higher mom
but nobody cares. february meeting is going with .5 most likely. Housing sales is what counts today

>>52989652
Why dump $30k on a car when you can gamble that in the stock market and pay $2000 a month.

As for me, thinking about a Toyota Mirai, I live on the worst coast so there's plenty of refueling stations.

>>52989628
Also,
>Having to disclose your whereabouts at all times
>Putting up with bad mood and bitching for 3 or 4 days every month
>Her hogging the blankets or the bed
>Cleaning up her messy paper piles and clutter
>Watching her completely change personalities anytime she is around another guy
>...

>>52989659
PCE is the most important because market is still 75% on 25bps for Feb.
the fed predictions are useless. they literally told us they will do a 75bps the WHOLE 2022 on their 2021 dot plot and here we are..

If everyone thinks we're gonna pooomp cause number come in slightly lower, doesn't that mean it won't and we gonna doomp or crab instead?

OIL is unstoppable by the way

>>52989728
I've been eyeing shorting it, I just need to see a lil more euphoria before I pull the trigger

>>52989692
>crab
I'm sure we will have a low volume day and the moves will be extreme (up or down)

>>52989688
what? Just look at the data, there is no need to follow cme gamblers or attention whores. Unless the line goes down substantially below 4, .25 is not going to happen. If by chance it goes up, .75 is on the map again.
But for today it doesnt matter

>>52989738
I don't know what cme gamblers mean but bond market doesn't believe fed and tells us inflation goes down hard.
Jpow said they are flexible since they have a lot of data coming in until Feb.. a 50bps or even 75bps is not a sure thing but sure bet on it and we'll see how it goes

>>52989577
I cashed out of oil just before the pump an hour ago

>>52989750
the auctions these last days came in with lower yield as expected, true, but we still see an unprecedented hot labor market for December, with inflation yoy trend slowing in its downtrend and inflation readings in other countries picking up again.

it’s almost time for 6/17 UONE calls!

>futures

>>52989790
that PS combined with her occupation is just the biggest cherry on top…

what we thinking about $SOFI?
some huge insider buys, and im bullish on finance companies

>>52989809
it's just funny how women have become educated, wealthy, and sexually free, but as a result they've completely priced themselves out of the dating market because they are biologically designed to be choosey with mates and always date across and/or up, never down. so the more educated and more money they make, the smaller the pool of men who are equal or above them. and so they end up as cat ladies.

you reap what you sow, i guess.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoqjKqt__tI

>>52989790
I kinda feel bad for career women bros. They're victims of the system.

>>52989790
Will I live long enough to see thousands of these kinds of women off themselves at once or become so desperate that they actually start to settle?

>>52989843
I don't, they get what they deserve.

>>52989845
if you can live another couple years one of these women may suck your dick for $10

It's about time we get AI powered robowomen.

>>52989790
She has a point, it's not wrong per se to want an ambitious partner with a similar asset value or socio-economic status. that said, she's 47 and single.. it's basically over, beggars can't be choosers, an unmarried half a centurion is a beggar.

>futures

Rallying for what?

>>52989865
one day

>>52989941
Santa arrived and brought some buy orders with him

>>52989941
called it yesterday. people closing shorts over the holidays.

>>52989899
women are biologically programmed to loathe men who can't provide for them. this whole situation we all find ourselves in is unnatural. men working and providing for women who take care of the household and have lots of babies is the way things are SUPPOSED to work. now (((they))) have succeeded in FORCING things to work differently, and, well, we're now paying the consequences for it.

now all women of means want ultra chads but the ultra chads are few and far between and know that everyone wants them, so they have no reason to settle down and can instead be hyper promiscuous, especially with technology like tindr to aid them. basically everyone except the tiny minority of ultra chads loses in this scenario.

DOLE

>>52989899
most men do not care about the socio-economic status of women, it is purely a woman thing to think that way
generalizing of course

>>52989999
Wasted digits anon

>>52990003
Think I'm bout to marry some hussy with $50k college debt you got me fucked up.

>>52990011
most men probably would if they found them appealing or were into them you are an outlier desu

Crab day isnt it

>>52990021
Depending on what data comes out at 8:30 we will either rip or shit.

>>52989770
I keep telling you faggots. Oil is a buy and hold operation if you want to make money. If you can't sit and be patient for a few months, you'll get heemed and reamed. You can't trade commodities like tech stocks.

>>52990021
>>52990030

rate my ta

>>52990031
Trolling outside of /b/

>>52990046
looks Bullish.

>>52990031
is he saying dont sell early or get stopped out?

is Trump finally going to jail? seems like they want to make an example out of him so no one tries to rise up against them ever again. "if you even try we will destroy you. look at what happened to Trump." they'll say.

>>52990063
Don't sell early. Buy low and wait for the big parabolic moves toward the end of a cycle. Trade the big trends. Oil is going to $250 this decade.

Europe is pumping nicely, so please don't ruin it for us /US/bros :)

Any opinions about Stellantis. Great divvy and PE is so low. Seems like a good buy or am I missing something ?

are we getting a little bull run today boys?

>>52990093
>Oil is going to $250 this decade.
So what's that, a 5x?
I'd call that a great alternative to shitvestments like property but you can 5x a lot easier than that.
Old timey sit and wait advice doesn't even apply right now. Google/Apple/Tesla were the last of those.

>>52990126
from a brief 5 minute look over they seem solid

>>52990168
Even better returns for oil stocks

>>52990126
>investing in car companies when countries unironically want to reduce cars by 90% for 2030

>>52990073

I doubt very much he goes to jail. The plan is to use the threat of legal bs to scare off enough of the squishier R voters to secure the primaries for DeSantis. "He's Trump without the baggage!" is the line they'll use.

>>52990093
You sure about that?
I think 100$ could be possible mid 23 but i dont see 200$ in the next 5 years. Tech gets better year by year and there are big projects around fusion.

>>52990126
The macro-climate looks a bit shitty, but in my opinion has been mostly priced it. Could be a nice buy. Thanks for bringing my attention to it

>>52990168
Certain small cap oil juniors will still do a 10x from here, particularly in oil services right now. Some interesting M&As going on, Seadrill just acquired Aquadrill, Vantage and Diamond Offshore likely targets. $RIG is a good hold. In shipping, oil tankers will out perform next two years.

>>52990181
Im thinking about going all in but Im not sure if I wait a bit or not.

>>52990199
China isn't going to stay locked down for the next 7 years. As for the latest fusion developments, that's a nothing burger, still 15-20 years away, just political window dressing to make Biden admin look good. DoE is going full fission and hydrogen, both domestically and abroad. For example, they're in talks for, count-em, 35 SMRs to Turkey. But new nuclear takes minimum of 3-4 years, so it's going to be oil and natgas until then.

what is the ideal setup for selling cc? thinking about starting it because im basically bagholding longs so may as well make some premium

i shorted at 3790 yesterday

>futures

>>52990168
why even engage with oil shills?

I don't think cars will be removed, just more eco friendly
Stellantis just today, told they planning to buy a big part of some hydrogren company.

>>52990246
idk if THE commodity of the 20th century needs shills to promote it

>>52990229
why the fuck would you go all in? if you really want an 8% yield you can easily get high quality bonds for that with probably a similar potential for capital gains for less risk.

>>52990197
DeSantis *IS* "Trump without the baggage", though. I'm a staunch conservative who voted for Trump twice, and even I think he lost the plot when he became a schizo over the stolen election thing. He's not even wrong, the election WAS stolen from him, but he has no empirical evidence to prove it so instead he just became an unhinged crazy person and the MSM has taken full advantage of that. They're still taking advantage of that to this day. That's the problem.

Trump did his job. He was the battering ram that knocked the door in. He walked so DeSantis could run. I mean, I love Trump but I just don't see how you can make the argument for him becoming president again given current circumstances unless you're a schizo yourself who wants civil war. And of course this is 4chan so I wouldn't be surprised if you are, but that shit is stupid and doomed to fail now that things have gotten to this point.

>>52990126
>car stock

Yuh, ooh, brr, brr
Biden gang, ooh
Yuh, Lil Bidet, yuh
Biden gang, ooh
Yuh, brr
Biden gang, Biden gang, Biden gang, Biden gang (Biden gang)
Biden gang, Biden gang, Biden gang, Biden gang (Biden gang)
Spend $18.2 billion on a Ukraine Aid (Yuh)
My son love do cocaine, ooh (Ooh)
I visited a state , I forgot it's name (Brr, yuh)

>>52990256
clearly it needs shills, ffs it went negative because the world sneezed. Holding oil is retarded

>>52990311
>Holding oil is retarded
depends entirely on which direction it's moving
applies to everything
up - investor
down - bagholder

what the fuck is even happening???? musk is completely losing it. he is worse than biden just listen to this shit. timestamped the link. why does he bank so much on upgradeable cars? that won't help him sell more new cars, who cares about cars that are already sold. does he think he will be able to convert all current tesla holders into subscribers? get fucked retard

https://youtu.be/CHP-6lNvrrY?t=170

>>52990343
>why does he bank so much on upgradeable cars?

because normies will CONSOOOOOM anything

every single product is moving towards a subscription based model. You will own nothing, and be happy!

It’s better to be long because if you lose, you can explain your bad mood more easily. If you lose money on a blinding green day, then you have to stew in misery all alone over Xmas. Whereas if it’s red, everyone will be pissed off so you can at least relate with the normies

>>52990357
why the hell would you buy a used one and subscribe to it though? does he think the cars will 5x in value and he can start selling new ones for more? if you listen to the whole video he says he's prepared for "negative profits" in 2023 but intends to keep growing as much as the company can bear. who knows what will happen but I doubt their """unlimited demand""" will keep up

>>52990284

Yes you're making a good illustration of the point that this plan is probably going to work. For the record: the difference is really simple. RDS is neither anti-imperialist, nor populist, which was Trump's platform in 2016. Have fun voting for ¡Jeb! Mk2 I guess.

Anyways it doesn't matter. Don't none of this voting stuff matter. We're well past that.

why is looking up bonds way harder than stocks? so irritating. took me like 5 minutes to compare a price of a bond from a month ago. it went up 30% and is now only a 20% YTM instead of something like 40% it was trading at before

No pump for today??

We don't talk enough about bonds. I mean, for the past two decades, they were obviously shit considering the rate policy. But considering ho much they got wrecked, and how much the rates did rise, wouldn't buying a bunch of bonds be a good idea for their "divy"?
Honestly, my best move these past two years was going balls deep into divy stocks (= oil companies). I know people here have a hatebonner against divies, but I fucking love them. It feels just right having my rent paid by divies.

>>52990445
why would people hate on divident stocks, they are ultra-mega based imo.
the goal is to be able to neet of dividends alone

>>52990445
yeah they're no longer garbage 3-4% rates that's why im researching and practising trading them

bonds are back, and honestly i like them a lot more than stocks because their valuations are much more sane

>>52990397
Depends on the data that comes out at 8:30

>>52990470
Because the dividend is just a forced sale. You might as well hold stuff that goes up, and then go into divies once you’re actually ready to retire

>>52990445
>>52990471
>holding something that is guaranteed to lose value because it is ”safe”

>>52990482
It's true, but it's also not necessarily a bad thing. Company makes money, and it gives me back that money. I can do whatever I want with that money, including buying share of the same company again, or share for another one. There's the question of taxes, I don't know how it works in the US, but in my Europoor country I have an envelope where I don't get taxed as long as I keep the money inside it, I guess it works the same for your 401K or whatever, so essentially it's a non-issue for divies.
Now let's take a live example right now of companies that don't give divies and are in keep-holding-as-it's-better-to-have-the-share-price-rise-instead : Kikebook and TSLA.
Honestly, I'd rather have my share of money distributed every year or quarter, instead of being in a hodl mode and being hostage of whatever dumb shit the CEO will do. And don't tell me "you just have to sell then", because it will already be too late, you know this, you won't beat them.
Meanwhile, the divy company will at least have distributed part of its earnings to me over the years. A fall from the same kind of dumb decisions will have less of an effect.
Holding forever stuff that goes up is no more better than holding divy stock that do the same. It's riskier, I'd argue. Of course you can sell by yourself bit by bit, but then it's not different than owning a divy stock, and you're not anymore in a hodl forever strategy. With the added risk of doing something wrong at the right time, which statistically has 90% chance of happening.

We will close red today. Bloodbath in January.

>>52990291
Nor surprised, people have car loans of 4k per month leasing two teslas or some shit, its insane even for people making +$100k

>>52990520
explain why you think bonds lose value lol

is there a reason not to use trailing stop loss? sounds great on paper

wait, you can build a mini nuclear reactor at home with stuff you can buy at walmart? is this why UUUU is down?

>>52990579
JPow keeps triggering them before they gain more than you set it at. If volatility were lower, it'd be a great idea

So we're crabbing today?

>>52990556
Don't need no loan for bananas and canned pineapple.

>>52990592
You can build a reactor that will fission elements at the cost of a lot of electricity.

>>52990613
>CUPPY PEPPERONI!!

>>52990296
That was amazing.

>>52990613
hmmm yummie! highly processed cheese and meat thats filled with MICROPLASTICS from packaging and processing at the factory, and how about a bucket full of deodorized and chemically bleached SEED OIL sauce on top of that mmmmmmmm FUCKING YUM!!!!!! I want to inhale seed oil fumes because its so FUCKING HEALTHY!!!! ITS SO HEALTHY THAT IT CAN BE USED AS ENGINGE LUBRICANT and BIODIESEL!

>>52990445
Divvies are a no brainer if you have enough capital to get a good annual yield. Something like being able to pay your rent from it is bare minimum imo.

This correction would also be a decent opportunity to open a small account, DRIP it, and just want to watch it grow over 50 years.

>>52990573
because the fiat shitcoins they pay you back with inflates more than you make from holding the bond

i havent been watching the markets very closely lately, ive been heavily buck broken this month and im feeling so exhausted. these soxl bags only get heavier

>>52990699
>Soxl
whats you're average?

>>52989839
It's because of single mothers. You grow up to be your parents. They grow up without a father figure to show them what a man is supposed to be so they go around looking for "daddy"

>>52990681
>>52990445
>>52990470
>>52990471
divie bros, I'm worth $720k and want to join you. What are some good divy stocks to look into?

>the dip buyers KEEP slurping
lmfao

>>52990706
Currently I think it's not really the right time, unfortunately. Divies stocks are the boomer Dow Jones stocks. And guess what kind of stocks pumped in the recent times.
2020 was the right time. But maybe some anon will think of some particular companies to recommend that are still a good buy.

i'm gonna trade the fuck out of this PCE number in this low volume holiday market and crush all of you. it's time for us rats to get some cheese while the big dogs are on vacation celebrating Hanukkah

>>52990720
>2020 was the right time. But maybe some anon will think of some particular companies to recommend that are still a good buy.
Absolutely fair enough. I'm not in a rush and figured none of them may be at any sort of discount. I made my wealth in the run up.
thanks

>>52990371
To keep unwashed plebs from investing in corpo debt.

>>52990284
>he was right but he became an unhinged crazy person by continuing to believe something that was right

>>52990729
Ok look, i get that metrosexuals love makeup but nigger learn to blend. You look like a hooker.

>>52990073
A guillotine is cheaper than a struggle. You dont have to put up with the lizardpeople.

>>52990741
listen bud it's nothin personal. no time for jokes right now. i'm making at least 20% on my entire net worth today.

>>52990296
sniffed a lil girls hair (Ooo)
potus i can do anything (Yah)
they jack they listenin. listen
elections im stealin them (Skrrrrrrr)

i bought into the 5% crash and its already halfway back to green

>>52990720
Hibiki yuriphorium

>>52990702
28, might start selling covered calls on it but im not really sure how the margin fluctuation works with cc

>>52990755
Soooooo 80 bucks?

>>52990706
Just look into whatever boomer stocks you can find recommended on reddit or on google. You want the most stable boomer stocks you can possibly find that has never cut its divvy during corrections/recessions. Something like $KO.

natty gas bros... it's over. crushed $5 and drilling harder than russia

>>52990779
you mean INTEL

>>52990783
i told you guys not to put money into natgas unless you literally want to gamble

>>52990767
>28
You're gonna have to hold those for years

long TSLA stock here at $126.86
>pic related
you could also buy calls, but the IV makes it not as attractive
you could also sell puts and take advantage of the sky high IV

>>52990755
whoa easy there big guy, those may be dubs but you gotta go easy on the margin champ. this is a high volatility environment and i dont want to see one of the little guys forced to give hj's under a bridge to get by

>>52990817
yeah im cool with it. im basically just stacking etfs with occasional options plays

>>52990799
You can always begin buying kold if it cracks above 6.5.

>>52990822
tsla was dumping even on green days, I'm not touching that shit

>>52990640
You soon will. I mean, you already need one for pizzas.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/The-Top-5-US-Oil-And-Gas-Dividend-Stocks-For-2023.html
Divvy brose check these out! Also take a look at TRP. It's at a major low, ex div is next week and annual yield 6.7%.

I'M UPSET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

About the stock market this year

I lost 4K unrealized

And i blame globohomo AND putler

How much did YOU lose and who do you blame?

>>52990847
>>52990822
https://youtu.be/XhXAZ08joO0
>pic related

how the FUCK do elliot waves work

>just ride the 5-phase waves bro

but when the waves end and when do they begin??

>>52990799
yeah but i made money the first two times i did it so im a commodity genius and not a lucky gambler

this time the market was rigged

>>52990861
so far about 12k

less than 15 minutes till we either get a melt up or a melt down today

>futures

>>52990874
9:30 is stock opening, man.
An hour and less than 15 mins.

>>52990874
im short therefore it will melt just to fuck me

>>52990866
They never end and they never begin. Its just a big circle going to zero and infinity all at once.

>>52990882
please be a troll..
if you're not trolling, lurk moar

>>52990875
>Presents

>>52990882

pce 830 retard

>>52990445
I have observed that the folks here who hate dividends really don’t have a long term plan. They want fast and large gains. Dividend investing takes a longer timeframe.

>>52990828
this aint my first rodeo brother. i live for high volatility environments. you gotta strike when the irons hot.

this is financial advice
fuck tiny girls
makes anyones dick look huge

>>52990897
on the contrary, if you have a longer time horizon then capital gains from the s&p 500 are better. and that still pays ~2% in dividends. no dividend strategy would have beaten the ~200% gains of the past 10 or so years either.

if you are wanting to withdraw money and spend it then higher dividends are better (usually)

>>52989589
>How do I aquire love
Pure luck.
>what is the cost?
Your entire life's worth of luck.

>>52990543
>Honestly, I'd rather have my share of money distributed every year or quarter, instead of being in a hodl mode and being hostage of whatever dumb shit the CEO will do. And don't tell me "you just have to sell then", because it will already be too late, you know this, you won't beat them.
This is why share buybacks exist. However I don't believe most divvy screeners include those in the "yield".

>>52990909
No, I want a tall woman to wed and bear my children

>>52990284
Be cautious about anyone shilling DeSantas. They same strategy was used to get McCaine to win the primary. Trump has the entrenched elite shitting themselves. He needs to be re-elected to finish what he started.

so, up or down today lads, up or down?

>>52990817
I'm disappointed that thing didn't poop.

>>52990922
Literally depends entirely on the numbers today but I'm thinking up for a while in yet another copium pump.

>>52990922
up and down and a little up again

>>52990921
based tall woman enjoyer

PCE is going to rip us higher. Looking at roughly +2% in pre market according to what I'm reading.

You have been warned.

>2 minutes

2 minutes ...

>>52990923
>two (2) days before Xmas
>complaining about da Santa

WTFWT

Here we go

OOPSIE POOPSIE

I don't know what do make out of this.. PCE "as expected", income higher but spending lower..?

>personal spending down
>price index down
Yeah I'm thinking pump day.

IN LINE WITH EXPECTATIONS
SANTA RALLY CONFIRMED

Yikes. Demand slowing but labor demand not budging down.

FUTURES PLUMMETING ALREADY LMAO

>>52990999
It's over bobo

>US CORE DURABLE GOODS ACTUAL 0.2% (FORECAST 0%, PREVIOUS 0.5%)
Higher rates, and for longer.

>>52990999
>>52990996
>>52991006

>>52989536
>Festivus Edition
based. I'm having Festivus dinner at my friends house tonight. I've already got the pole out of the basement, and I can't wait to tell them how they are all a bunch of meth-smoking faggots.

>>52990999
Wasted digits. Mumutard smol roasted nuts for Christmas

>>52991007
where can I see futes in real time? tradingview is 15m delay

>>52990995
means people are saving their money instead of spending it on useless junk.

>>52991011
That's good retard. That means economy isn't fucking dying.

CIRCUIT BREAKERS ALREADY HOLY SHIT IT'S OVER

>>52990921
My sons would be spared the shame ive had to suffer.

>>52991019
Yahoo finance is the place i use.

>>52991020
Which is exactly what Fed wanted and it's a sign of inflation stopping or decreasing. Or people simply being afraid of starving.

It's friggin' over you friggin' chud!

>>52990995

PCE as “expected” is the problem. Most especially when other elements of the economy show demand destruction kicking in. Wages/labor costs up. Coupled with a possible resurgence in energy, CPI may rise

>>52990909
GF/Fiancee is Shortstack
Never thought I'd be into it until we got together, now? No looking back. Can pick her up super easy and, as noted, everything looks bigger by comparison.

>>52991026
Seriously, why would you want to do that to your son by making him shorter than you? To always have to look down on him as a child even when he's supposed to be a grown adult. It's embarrassing

Don't forget. Follow the Cramer indicator.

>>52991013
>>52991017
>Ho ho ho!
>Merry Christmas to all! And to all a good night!
>Except for bears and Jews!

>>52991035
>PCE as “expected” is the problem
No it's not. All the metrics are mixed as fuck and the only issues arise if one of the metrics flies off to the side. None of them did so market prices in line going up.

>>52991055
DAGNABIT Cramer WHY

Dip? Slurped.

SPY 390 by EOD.

>>52991035
I think it's so on target for the month that traders are going to read what they want from it. and most indices are technically oversold and the 'santa rally', if people decide to believe in it, starts today. Not as great a print as I was expecting but somehow I suspect the market will decide to just run with it anyways

>>52991069
The removal of downside risk is a fine catalyst.

>>52991060
terminal rate futures just moved from 4.8 to 4.9 on the release though, so it seems in aggregate ppl are taking it as slightly bearish

>>52991069
Absence of bad news means mediocre or good news means line goes up. Same old story.

Schizo futures

EFFICIENT MARKET THEORY BTW

>>52991030
I agree they want to crush demand so prices going down = inflation down
but they get more income so it's not that "good" news I guess..

>>52990889
Oh.
Am rarted, plz explain.

so let me get this straight
>we are at 0.2% MoM inflation PCE
>0.2% MoM equates to 2.427% a year
the Fed believes the terminal rates needs to be above 5%
>???

tsla call spreads. gamma is your friend.

>>52991069
>I am a faggot bull and I suspect "somehow" that line will go up even in the face of every sign of a stalling economy and a fed who have repeatedly said that they want it to happen
The "somehow" is baseless cope

>futures now green
>bobo will commence cope posting
BASED FUCKING SANTA RALLY IS ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>52991078
Who gives a fuck, they should have been high to begin with. Powell said higher for longer, why was market so deluded before? I shorted it all the way to the bottom, now I imagine it'll keep going up all the way to around mid january.

why no mumu memes?

Is today CPI data gonna pump or dump?
Pre-market is still flat after the sudden dip

>>52991094
based
>>52990865
>>52990822

>>52991028
looking, seems like it's on the same 10-15m delay as tradingview. unless I'm using the wrong chart or something

>>52991100
fine, here you go. i was more amused at the absolute up and down line

>>52991093
They talked about this many times before retard, they're going to do this so the AVERAGE is 2%. This includes the times where inflation was elevated.

>>52991100
They're all dead anon. It's over.

HOLY SHIT A REINDEER JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE

SANTA CLAUS IS COMING TO TOWN

I have to ask, when certain economic releases are "as expected"; who exactly "expected" these figures? As in, who did I ask what they think PCE or CPI or whatever is going to be?

>>52991097
how did u time the bottom?

>>52991100

>>52991093
They annualize out to 3, 6, or 12 months because a single month can fluctuate wildly. See, for example, what OIL barons are doing to fuck everyone over right now.

>>52991088
The real problem is not enough supply. The govt should do its utmost to improve supply side issues because the CB can only affect demand with interest rate shenanigans. But the govt is retarded and wants less energy, less food, less everything. This applies most to Europe. Europe is fucked

>>52991093
The entire drop in the PCE and CPI was due to gas prices falling, and now they can't really fall much further.

>>52991111
checked
They ask economists of various types, from various areas (private/public employed).
Typically universities/colleges and big banks are the ones doing the data sets

Has anyone heard of a little thing called APE?
Well, Yolandi Visser has, and she loves the way it pumps.

Wet wet.

>>52991028
>>52991105
https://www.investing.com/indices/indices-futures

You can also look at pre-market trading on SPY, QQQ, etc since those often don't have a delay.

>>52991119
>the drop in CORE PCE was due to gas prices falling
core excludes energy friendo

is this whole week a bank day or will christmas days interrupt my gains?

>>52991113
Mostly momentum and meme lines. The fact the bottom wasn't a violent megapump but a sudden stop and climb upward was a big help. Megapumps are also very volatile and unstable, prone to reversing back down.

>>52991108
lol
>they're doing average inflation targeting!
>that's why they're over tightening!
>they want deflation, they want -5% inflation, so that the times when we were running hot, it'll average out to 2% over time!
No.

>>52991135
Fuel costs are a huge component that flow into everything else though. Diesel up one month makes tables more expensive everywhere the next. Plus, labor cost includes the gas people need to drive to work. There's no real way to "ex. food and energy" that.

>>52991100
literally nobody trusts the market anymore

>>52991135
Nothing excludes gas. It's baked into the price of everything shipped.

>>52991137
NYSE's closed Monday so Jesus has a day to unwrap his presents.

Seriously, what would it take to stop the market from doing this insane bullshit where it spikes up and down 1%+ every time there's a headline? Intense regulation of algorithmic trading? Outlawing it altogether? It's the most absurd shit that things like >>52991085 can ever happen

>>52991148
>No
Cool argument. Really beats what literally Powell was saying.

>>52991162
Even without algos this shit would happen due to sweaty hands. I would argue this would be worse without algos even.

>>52991164
At the time they were making excuses, trying to soothe the market that it was okay inflation was exploding higher, because they were doing "average inflation targeting"
the Fed doesn't want deflation
they want 2% inflation
-5% inflation would be extremely destructive
When was the last time the Fed even mentioned average inflation targeting?
It's not a thing
It's not their mandate
and it's not what they're going to do

wow I sure amn glad I only sold half my KOLD yesterday

(average price 20.50)

I will sell the rest right now and regret it next week

>>52991162
liquidity, which is nowhere to be found. M0 keeps fropping trillions mom m2 is looking to drop trillions mom

>>52991119
>>52991150
>>52991164
Do this many people REALLY not know wtf they're talking about? Why even bother? You can literally just lurk, instead of looking stupid.

>>52991132

How is your dwac investment coming along?

>>52991174
>retail has an effect on markets
>algo have an effect on markets
midwit

redumping?

>>52991182
Keep coping permabull faggot. December and january are best days for line going up historically.

>>52991162
WE ARE ENTERING THE KANGAROO PATTERN! PLEASE WEAR YOUR HELMET!

>>52991182
Not an argument, fag. If fuel costs plummet, obviously shit like timber and food is also going to fall.

wow
that was a weak pump...
mumu i thought u can do better then this.

>>52991174
I just don't think so, over and over again for the last two years we've seen this phenomenon where literally as soon as some information is released, every single ticker pumps or dumps in unison. It's not even 10 seconds sometimes, it's inhuman. And then it cascades as more algos and idiot traders run with the trend.

well, it comes down to home sales data in 1 hour if Santa will coom today

HOLY SHIT GUYS TONY DWYER JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE

>>52991187
>algo have an effect on markets
Yeah you dumb nigger they do. Big boys use them to play. And without algos, the swings would be much wilder as big boys would swap large positions between eachother every news drop.

>>52991205
no. Algos only have an effect in low liquidity environments. Its not the algos, its liquidity stupid

>>52991162
were you complaining about algos in a bull market too?

schizo futures are schizo

BOIL plowing through its 52-week low, any natty gas chads slurping?

>>52991187
NASDAQ futures just went from +.4% to -.4% to +.7% within like two minutes. It's insane, moves like that benefit absolutely no one

>>52991199
Don't get me wrong I think it's gay as fuck, fake as fuck and fucking retarded too, but I think algos overall stabilize the market rather than destabilize it, outside of some sudden black swan moments. They also make it extremely boring and non-sensical because a gay ass robot will think a dying shit ticker should go up despite everything.

>>52991161
not as bad as i worried then

>>52991211
algos halt trading in low liquidity.

>>52991222
lol

>>52991191
Lmao more cope, loser.
>>52991195
You're wrong, and it's embarrassing that you'll die on this tiny hill.
Don't need to refute you. I'm not your professor.

How will this effect stocks in theory?

>>52991214
Sure, I think it's generally absurd that we let computer programs designed by some of the greediest asshole speculators on the planet basically shape our economy every day. Imagine the amount of fuckery it does to sentiment and momentum on the micro level.

>>52991231
Government gibs = good.

>>52991217
Cool. Will we rally rest of dec and then jan?

>>52991237
=inflationary

>>52991215
I dunno man
If we're having a multi-decade cold / blizzards sweeping through the US, with freezeoffs reducing production by 2+ BCF
and natural gas shits the bed more than 10%
it is definitely unusual - but it's the rule of 'if you expect an asset to move higher on X news, X news comes out, and the asset dumps, you GTFO' --- as the catalyst of the cold weather isn't enough
the market is forward looking to January, which is supposed to be very warm
doesn't make sense for them to buy the January contract for delivery, when the weather will get warmer
It's not a bad trade with it trading below $5 henry hub
but I'm staying away

>>52991219
Yeah fair enough. Maybe we should just employ them in the most extreme situations then, to ensure that circuit breakers don't happen or something. But allowing them to shape the general market is fucking ridiculous.

>>52991237
>>52991231
Bears will say the printers are off lol

>>52991232
It’s just automation. I human could do it in theory

>>52991217
they do if you are an HFT bot, the only ones still present in this no liquidity market

>>52991244
You do not know where the funds will be going. So you cannot say that it will be inflationary. Obviously.

>>52991232
why not take advantage of it?

I'm finally going to make some money in the stock market and not get bummed in the ass by bobo

You’re all wrong it’s the unprecedented volatility in FX that is causing the swings. Very few times in history have we seen such extreme currency volatility . Look at a chart of the DXY

>>52991232
it would be even worse without algos slurping the dip

>>52991215
I might depending on how well SOXS does today. Selling that position and going long BOIL might be the play.

>>52991256
it is per se inflationary.
tell me, were can this money go without fueling it?

>>52991229
I'm not wrong. You can't even begin to articulate how I could be.

>>52991252
Right but the instantaneous nature of it is part of the issue. At the last FOMC meeting, the press release hadn't even been out for long enough that a human could read and process it, and the entire market jerked in a straight line. Then it affects human sentiment down the line, but it's unnatural sentiment because the computers have a completely black and white interpretation of the words on the page.

>>52991253
But some of the largest green candles in the last five years have been in the last two months....?

>>52991232
Cool it with the antisemetic remarks.

>>52991231
It gits rid of all that extra money the FED printed so it should help with inflation at the very least.

New

>>52991295
>>52991295

>>52991282
no liquidity.

>>52991266
I cannot tell you, because they haven't made it public. Why would you sit here and claim to KNOW it will be inflationary, when you CANNOT know. HUH?? FUCKING HUH?!!?!? FUCKING CUM COVERED FAGGOT WHATY NOW!>?!>?!?!?!?
>>52991279
There is no need for me to bother arguing with you. You refuse to understand why you're wrong, and it's not hard to fully grasp why. Pay me REAL $, and I'll teach you why you're acting stupidly.

I am gonna write a tesla put today

I am gonna buy Scotch today

>>52991303
cause it doesnt matter were it goes. as it goes it is stimulus and inflationary.
wages=inflationary
goods = inflationary
Everything else= inflationary

>>52991320
>I am gonna buy Scotch today
Good choice. I bought some 15yr old Dalmore, yesterday. Damn good stuff.
>>52991328
>DOESNT MATTER CUZ I SED SO!!!!! HGEWHEHEHEHEEHEHEHE
This is you being delusional and retarded.

>>52991340
SO tell me.
WERE can it go witrhout being inflationary Retard?
I say that there is no such place.

>>muh u cant know it reeeeeeeeeeeee

>>52991282
I don’t really see the problem. The largest market declines are caused by human panic selling. How is that reasonable then? It’ just human behavior. An algo reacting to news is just a very fast human.

>>52991349
You cannot know for sure, until they say where it is going.
It COULD be inflationary, or it could NOT be. LOL why you so mad over not being able to predict the future?
I lurk here often. Most of you are retarded and have no economic understanding.

>>52991370
NO!
TELL ME ONE PLACE WERE IT CAN GO WITHOUT FUELING INFLATION!

>>52991381
That isn't the argument, you lousy faggot.
You REALLY need higher education, it'll teach you to stay on track.

>>52991400
Bullshit.
Cant even name one example....

>>52989536
FUCK FESTIVUS

>>52991353
rapid declines can also be caused artificially via massive short latter attacks as was the case with gme. poor baggies.

>>52991415
Cannot prove anything to people like you. So why bother? It's likely your entire portfolio is reliant upon the market dying, and inflation never stopping it's ascent.
You're wrong, and it's okay to be wrong anon. It makes you stronger (if you let it)

>>52991456
>>i know that it can be injected in the economy >>without fueling inflation
>>bUT
>>i WONT TELL U CAUSE U >>STOOOOOPIDDD

nice argument... really proves your point

>>52991256
If the funds get spent on anything, it's inflationary, lol. They're not printing a trillion dollars to fill a silo with it like Scrooge McDuck.

i keep sleeping over gains... one day i will always remember to set up the trigger before going to bed