/biz/ - Business & Finance

Medicine are king of the wagies though, its like being king of the manlets

You need to have equity in the business to be stinky rich, they are still wagies at the end of the day

>>52985718
Yeah but doctors can EASILY start their own businesses these days, having an MD is like being handed a license from the government to be rich, nobody is allowed to compete with you and the business model is actually painfully simple. Being a doctor is a total fucking scam and I still see retards say it's a bad idea because they're under the impression that doctors only make like 250k or whatever, their mental model for doctor compensation is stuck in like 2003. Specialists nowadays make like 1 million + yearly lmfao.

>>52985656
>Specialties like radiology and dermatology clear 900k in 2022.
Those seem like two of the easiest specialties, too. Anything other actual surgery can be replaced by an AI Chat app.

>>52985763
Pharmacists will be replaced by AÍ e within the next two years.

>>52985656

This is not totally true. Some of my close friends are new doctors, and I know how much they make. They make anywhere from 200-300K total compensation. For reference, I make 250K not in medicine, and I started earning probably 6 years before them. There is a good chance they might out earn me long term, assuming I don't get into a position that gives me significant equity compensation (i'm just base+bonus right now with a small profit share), but it's possible I can keep up. However, none of them are surgeons, dermatologists, radiologists, etc. I agree if someone is a specialist you can and will hit 300-400K 'easily'. I think 500+ is starting to be a stretch unless you are working insane hours, are in derm, or a surgeon. Medicine is hell man. I work full remote. You couldn't take my 250k job from me to say i'd earn 400k but i have to watch people die every day. There's easier ways to make a buck, and if you are willing to work hard enough to be a surgeon or smart enough to open your business as a specialist then you can likely climb corporate ranks just as well and make that money from the comfort of your own home with no one dying. my 2c

>>52985656
Yeah but imagine having to put up with all the gay bullshit in the medical field? I'm glad I jumped ship. You are right about the wages though, they are second to none. Not even finance can compete.

>>52985848
>There's easier ways to make a buck
Yeah this dude. From the fucking drama of the nurses to the soul crushing reality of watching obese people slowly die. I couldn't take it. It's really not for everyone.

>>52985912

the neet 13 year olds on here 'imagine' what medicine is like from watching like reality tv shows or something, but they have no idea what years in the medical education system, crippling debt, indentured servitude and abuse (residency system), and ptsd from watching people die when you try and help and others disrespect you constantly (only to watch them die later because they didn't listen) does to someone. they also don't understand the 'cushy' specialities like derm and rads have their own issues including absolutely cutthroat application processes. it's like get into the nba

>>52985656
then why do they keep killing themselves?

if you're a doctor that works anywhere other than a hospital you're a fucking scam artists pharma grifter nigger gorilla

>>52986234
I'm currently a doctor out in Rwanda with DWB and its 100% better than working inside a hospital.

>>52985848
what is your job out of interest

> mandatory goyjuice for 99.9% of the indu$try

Lmao

>>52985796
Anons is this true? I have no doubt it's possible, and should eventually happen, but I'm thinking 10 or 20 years right? My sister is a pharmacist and she's a good egg and I don't want something bad to happen to her. She went through hell to get that degree and deserves every penny she makes...

>>52985656
Not gonna visit my doctor. I run and lift every week, fuck general practitioners.

>>52985656
Maybe in the US. In my country (UK) absolute end career wages are about $150k and it's a slow crawl to get there. You start on about $30k and it's pretty incremental growth.

>>52986615
Pharmacists can easily transfer to doing something productive for society like working in pharmaceutical R&D

>>52985848
my mom is horribly underpaid, she is even considering the idea of becoming a chiropractor because they keep lowering her salary, I am literally working to help her, that and to keep my vinu bags, why should something as important as health be such a low paying job?

>>52985656
>Pharmacists make 200k+ easily now, nurse practitioners make 150k+ easily,
What kind of cope is this? I make more than that in tech and work from home . both of those jobs requiring slogging to the work every single day and working with sick people.

Absolute cope

>>52985796
>two years
kek. we should've been replaced by a drinking bird hitting a keyboard a decade ago. regulations and the sluggish pace of technology adoption in healthcare settings will make this a reality in 25 years, anon.
>they'll change when they see the benefit
lol
lmao

>>52986436
What's it like over there? I read it's developing rapidly.

>>52985656
In med school ATM planning to go into an internal medicine infectious diseases residency. My tuition is about $400k :)

>>52985763
>Just be a huge cuck for money
No thanks
My wife does it though and being that she's a woman I think it's fine.

>>52987637
>He lets his wife do wage slavery outside the home
>Calls other people cucks
lol
lmao

>>52987646
>Leaves his wife at home doing nothing
Okay. What's the point?

>>52985656
Salary has increased because the demand is unbelievable. Medical staff are overworked, understaffed and overwhelmed. They do several back-to-back shifts on their feet, no breaks. They are awake for days at a time, if they make one mistake they can loose their license and end up in jail, on top of the guilt of physically harming or killing someone should the mistake entail that. They deal with people of all walks of life who can be absolutely infuriating, and you must remain professional. I did tech school for a short period of time, and the amount of bullshit the experienced people put me off. You have to be someone who can completely numb their emotions. You will be exposed to traumatic situations often, and will witness gruesome death at some point, and may have to be the harsh asshole who puts on a brick face for a family whose impression you left them with will follow them for the rest of their, and your life. You will also have student debt from hell, on top of years of intense schooling. They are underpaid imo, but most people are.

MD salaries sound like they make a lot before you take into consideration mal-practice insurance. MP insurance in a place like Florida is fucking astronomical. 50-75k year for internal medicine and 200k+ for general surgery lmao

>>52987657
>He's not making his woman crank out and rear spawn to continue his genetic legacy.
Dude we have completely different value systems. There isn't even point communicating past this post because I don't think we're going to bridge this.

>>52987715
She has our third in her belly faggot.
She should sit at home?
MD work is sooo hard?
Lmao

I still make more than her and her tits ate always milking for about 6 years now.

>>52987689
> You have to be someone who can completely numb their emotions. You will be exposed to traumatic situations often, and will witness gruesome death at some point, and may have to be the harsh asshole who puts on a brick face for a family whose impression you left them with will follow them for the rest of their, and your life. You will also have student debt from hell, on top of years of intense schooling.

This is all propaganda out out by doctors to keep their salaries high. Dermatologists don’t have to do any of that, radiologists don’t have to do any of that. Both of these specialties clear 800k+ total comp in their early 30s. The cost of medical school is completely irrelevant, you can pay down your loans in mere months. You’re just repeating shit you’ve read somewhere because you don’t actually understand what’s happening in medicine anymore.

Seems in particular only work 4 days a week lmfao, “overworked”.

>>52987751
Only retards pay their loans.
Inflation is making it nothing and it's zero interest.

>>52987751
U forget to mention this is for usa only, canadian specialists clear 200k after tax if lucky

I’m a doctor. You’re a fucking idiot. I hope I never have to breathe same air as you. Nothing in that post is true and you’re ignoring the mountain of medical school debt and years of lost wages and mental anguish to become an attending. Biz is dead and I shouldn’t have to tolerate low IQ shit posters Like you.

>>52988012
My siblings are literally doctors while I fell for the engineering meme

Can confirm. I work in a hospital. We'll hire literally anyone that walks and your compensation will be 40% more than what you would get doing the same kind of work in another industry. And it's not just doctors and nurses. Janitors, prep cooks, accountants, lawyers, delivery men, etc. Hospitals are basically tiny cities

I'm a doctor and I hate, the worst thing about it are the colleagues

>>52988814
any wacky stories you got doc?

>>52987714
Malpractice insurance is tax deductible though so there is a discount there.

>>52987751
Bingo. Look what always happens with hearings for federal judiciary nominees: every potential judge/justice is "superbly qualified", "a brilliant mind", "sharpest person ever to graduate Harvard", yadda, yadda. And this includes democrats praising republicans and vice versa! They all know that they need to keep the prestige of the profession high.
Same with doctors. They all "work so hard", are "so burned out", "have so much stress", etc. Clearly a decent fry cook living paycheck to paycheck on $12/hr can't even fathom the stress that $1mm/yr dermatologist knows. What's the alternative? Let foreign medical graduates in, raise number of residency slots, and tank the salaries? That can't happen.
Yet FAGMAN software engineers are willing to go on record how big of "nerds" they are, how "they don't actually know what they are doing most of the time", etc. If not for insane leverage you get working for a bigco, the prestige of the profession is zero. Plus there is no barrier to entry.
>t. have many doctors and lawyers in my family

After corona shit is over mass layoffs and wages reduced for med fags

>tfw medical worker and stacker

one day anons...

>>52987689
Lmao do medfags seriously expect anyone to feel sorry for them after the last 2 years? Any goodwill the medical profession had was completely wiped out as doctors, nurses and everyone in the entire medical industry were nothing but pathetic shills for big pharma. Doctors love to flaunt the prestige of their profession and how they’re all about muh science but not a single one of them knows anything about science. Medfags are all scum. And the ones who did have principles lose their license and got fired, so fuck everyone else who’s still working as a medical professional.

>>52985958
>it's like get into the nba
it’s not the same at all. just go to a T10 and if you work hard they’ll roll out the red carpet for you.

>>52985656
>Pharmacists make 200k+ easily now

This is not true, there is massive downward pressure on pharmacist salaries due to an influx of new pharmacists as well as competition from pharmacy benefits managers and their massive consolidated mail order factory pharmacies. I'd say national average is roughly 110-120k. Most pharmacists are being hired by the big boys (CVS/Walgreens) at less than 100k.

You can make more if you move to underserved areas but that's an extra 20-30k at best. The only pharmacists making more than 200k are managers that have been doing it 30+ years and are very rare because the corporations tend to fire them and replace them at the first excuse. I've seen it happen, very wary of the same fate given another decade or two.

T. Pharmacist

That being said the Boomers are retiring and healthcare is generally the place to be for job security. There are a lot of pharmacists but they will be needed.

>>52990377

As an addendum to this, retail pharmacy work can also be absolute hell - and that was before covid. Now not only do I have to professionally handle every sad sack that walks through the door expecting everything to always be magically ready at no charge, but I also have to pretend to agree with everyone's hot political take, and most people have no idea what they're talking about. There's no adult conversations to be had anymore about risks and benefits. You're either a knuckle dragging Neanderthal who doesn't believe in science or you're a ignorant sheep injecting the government juice. The reality is I could care less if people want the vaccine or not, I'm just a service provider. I tell people that straight up sometimes and they still somehow interpret it as what they want to hear anyway. People are crazy.

>>52987619
Don't forget the monthly boosters
You are a little teapot. Say it loud. And thank Dr. Fauci

Doctor reporting in. Don't forget
>I'm 38 and have been working my actual job for only 2 years
>I have 0 work connections outside of other medfags so starting my own practice hurts my brain and trusting other people hurts my soul
>I have 300k of debt
>I missed a lot of my kids first years wagecucking
You basically either need a stay at home wife or accept your kids will be raised by a nanny and probably be redacted later because of it

>>52985656
>there are shortages everywhere
My thesis as to why is...>>52985958
>years in the medical education system, crippling debt, indentured servitude and abuse (residency system)
basically this.

A ton of millenials that would have been pursuing the MD path 20 years ago went into tech and saved up a high six/low seven figure sum before they would have even been a resident.

>>52985878
HahaahahahhahahhahahahahhahaHhahHagGgaGaggagagahahahahah

>>52987751
64 hours this week
Dealing with sick boomers is the worst
Still would feel sick about myself if I was a dermacuck. It is the " I'm in the crypto for the tech" breed of doc. They should be gassed

Radiology might be comfy but they do bear some responsibility desu. If you miss an issue the scan is archived forever. And it's a nonstop stream of work. Pretty stressful

Pharmacists are being replaced by robots. And I practice in 2nd/3rd world country. Thought the West would be more advanced in that matter

>>52985656
Too many grifter doctors that get paid for visits and shit. Oversaturated and average person doesnt need all this medical care.

Medical field will collapse in 2023

>>52990553
You’re a radiologist?

>>52985656
On the other hand you spend 10 years in uni, most likely living on your mommy's allowance.

>>52985656
It pays but it's absolutely soulless. Believe me, if you even wanted to be a doctor and you pass all the exams needed to be a specialist, up to this point you will absolutely hate it. The education route is unironically too long in today's world and absolutely unnecessary, because of the very narrow specializations.

Ded

>>52985848
>Medicine is hell man
This.
I once witnessed during my IM rotation a 40-year-old woman with a cardiac tamponade screaming "I don't wanna die" over and over in a panicked frenzy.

She died a few hours later. It's really not for everyone. And, as mentioned before in this thread, there are better and easier ways to make a buck.

>>52985656
this isn't alot of money if you factor in the time spent to get those licenses. A software engineer or tech worker can make roughly the same as a doctor within 5 years of working as long as they don't take anything on /g/ seriously and use a working operating system like windows or linux

>>52993372
Why didn't you save her you fucking /biz/ dwelling faggot?

>>52985912
I agree with you. I spent a few hours in the ER, and couldn't even walk into the ER bathroom without stepping into a puddle of piss. illegal aliens kept walking into the ER, totally healthy, with intent to scam the system. the hospital employees were more concerned with kicking people out than actually getting the sick people into rooms. there's unquestionably no good reason to get into the medical field unless it's segregated from the bullshit.

>>52993551
>couldn't even walk into the ER bathroom without stepping into a puddle of piss.
Why didn't you clean it up you lazy faggot?

having worked for a surgeon, can confirm, you can run a private practice in the most inefficient way possible with the most idiotic staff and get sued multiple times a year from patients... and still come out at the end loaded as fuck.

100-hour weeks though... fuck that noise lmao.

>>52993597
>having worked for a surgeon, can confirm,
Why didn't you become a surgeon you lazy faggot?

>>52985656
>give up the best years of your life to study 24/7
>don't get paid shit until you're done with your specialty
>deal with retarded general population your whole life
>miss out on being with family, being with friends, watching your kids grow up
>work 80 hour weeks minimum
>be abused by both patients and your superiors daily
>witness gruesome deaths your whole life, some of which will be your fault
>only start raking in the big bucks in your mid 30s when your youth is over and don't even have time to spend it because your next shift is in 3 hours
Yeah, no thanks. I know multiple doctors and all of them regret going into medicine.

>>52985656
Woah slow down OP
Medical stuff is actually hard
I'm looking for something EZPZ
Like yeah dude I know if I go to med school and graduate at 37 that I'll clear half a mil in a year
But then that's the whole selling my entire youth away to chase that dream
Idk, it's definitely for some people
Definitely not for me though

>>52995100
You know the wrong doctors.
I make 300 but only work from 8-12. I have medical residents see my patients and do my billing. I can just monitor things remotely through the day to make sure they aren't fucking things up. Yeah I'm not making 500k being a turbo autist surgeon or dermatologist, but i have my lifestyle

>>52995467
Bidding*

I have seen how the doctors keep people sick in hospitals until patients run out of money and then they let them go
most doctors, nurses and pharma companies are disgusting
they need you sick to make money
and retards think they want you to take that shot to be healthy...
well yes, you make money if you're part of that evil
don't get me wrong, some of them are good people. But medical related stuff is a big business and they need you sick

>>52985878
>Poor unemployed rightoid who never learned how to invest and seethes about masks

Get your next booster and maybe you can turn 200$ into 200k+ next bullrun like me. Except I'll be a millionaire then

>>52995100
This. Medicine isn't for everyone, of all the jobs I've worked I'd say it's the one where you either have to have your heart in it everyday or just be a completely soulless grifter in it for the money. Like either you'd kill for people to get better or you'd kill people for money with your hands if it paid enough and you had any assurance you wouldn't go to prison for it. Shit takes the average marriages length of time to actually get good enough you could begin to think about one day doing it on your own. Unless it's some easy medicine-adjacent gig doing maintenance or something it's gonna suck balls if it's not what you really want to do. Also, don't fuck the nurses, they are all insane and this insanity continues the entire way up the chain of command of every hospital.

>>52995100
>don't get paid shit until you're done with your specialty
>deal with retarded general population your whole life
>miss out on being with family, being with friends, watching your kids grow up
>work 80 hour weeks minimum
>be abused by both patients and your superiors daily
>witness gruesome deaths your whole life, some of which will be your fault
>only start raking in the big bucks in your mid 30s when your youth is over and don't even have time to spend it because your next shift is in 3 hours

All propaganda put out by doctors to keep their salaries high. Dermatologists work FOUR days a week and as base pay make 500k. No extra special 90 hour weeks, ever. Medical school is hard for like 18 months, it’s not a 4 year slog.

>>52995963
SSHH

>>52985848
B00kmarked

>>52995963
This honestly. I busted my ass in engineering and I make poverty wages now. If I spent that time in medicine plus a few extra years I would be cleanly into mid-six figure territory by now. I wish I fell for my parents' propaganda and studied medicine.

The downside is that the field has become very heavily political and propagandized since the coof which is a really unbearable environment to be around. My faggot doctor have extremely inflated egos and think we should still have covid measures.

>>52997040
my faggot doctor relatives*

>>52985656
your numbers are off by like 100%. also medicine is the wagiest wageslave profession in existence. you won't have a life because your entire life revolves around studying and working. it never ends, not even after residency/fellowship.

t. dropped out of a US MD school

>>52997096
>you won't have a life because your entire life revolves around studying and working. it never ends, not even after residency/fellowship.
Medfags have been stuck in their own bubble for so long that they don't realize its like this in every field now. Engineers, coders, accountants, etc all have to constantly study and do upkeep to retain their skills and employability.

>>52997145
i work in accounting now. it's nowhere near as bad as medicine.

4 years busting your ass in undergrad: high GPA, high MCAT, extracurriculars, etc.
4 years busting your ass in med school: 2 years pre-clinical studying 50-60 hours a week, 2 years clinical working (for free) 60+ hours a week and buck breaking your brain to study for USMLE
residency is 3-7+ years of literal hell
licensing exams in EVERY STATE you want to practice in. continuing medical education requirements. lifetime learning expectations of your employer. most attendings average like 50 hours a week or more, for life.

>>52985763
Do you know how much goddamn work it takes to become a doctor, though? You’re not wrong but I don’t think it’s something anyone can do. The last thing we need is more midwit assholes bumming their way through medical school to make money and fucking people up with poor practices.

>>52985656
Your figures are retardedly overblown. That said, doctors, dentists and so on are grossly overpaid in the US. You do have to offset that against the enormous student loans which means they still have to be in it for the long run for it to be profitable. You are also ignoring the fact that the work is downright unpleasant most of the time, stressful, high risk, heavily regulated, and you can't just up and leave your job if you don't like it. You are stuck. It's a hell that's only worth being in if you're the kind of person who can't imagine doing anything else but being a doctor. It's not a rational career choice if you just want to make money.

>>52985656
>dude just become a doctor lol

>>52985656

Yeah, this nurse I started porking back when I was making easy money in the bull run quadrupled her salary since Covid. This is at the Mayo Clinic too where they are getting massive burnout, desertions of staff, specialists not coming in fast enough to replace the retirees.

How the times have changed.

She makes more than I do now and I am seriously considering nutting a baby in this bitch just to lock her down.

>>52997350
Yeah just you know, completely burn away your 20s and mid 30s at multiple universities and institutions.
No big deal bro
Ez