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electric anything is just globohomo
real men only use oil fueled products

This is what happens when you drive a truck really quick. Making a truck go fast from a standing start is the most stupid fucking idea and why no other manufacturer does it. It's either going to fly off the back and kill whoever is behind you or come forward when you stamp the brake and kill you. I suppose with the limited weight a Tesla can carry this doesn't apply because it can't carry shit which is not a very good selling point when you're only paid for what you carry

>>52909807
i love the bear market, it exposed these scams. too bad im fucking poor

>>52909807
WOAH WAIT BROS WHAT
Is TESLA (Ticker: TSLA) actually DONEZO???
Also yeah there's this truck they announced it like a million years ago LOL typical Tesla delays (Ticker: TSLA) but I do hold some amount of TSLA if you didn't know I have been holding since before it was $50 LOL but I think my Tesla (Ticker: TSLA) investment is safu

just don't go really quick

>>52909847
>comparing an improperly tied down load on a flat bed vs OP’s pic
Great job.

>>52909807

At least it looks cool.

>>52909881
True. Because the tsla can't carry anything more than chips or a few concrete rails

Didn't Musk say his money would be the first into Tesla and the last out?

>>52909847
Actually, that's what happens when you drive a truck that breaks really quick.

>>52909881
You fucking serious?
you guys deserve the world you'll end up dying in because of the problems you refuse to solve and creat

>>52909847
>truck A carries 20% more goods
>truck B is 20% faster
>OP: durrrr truck A get paid more becoz you only get paid for what you carry durrrr what is throughput durrrr

>>52909807
>>52909847
You need to open a physics book.

>>52910251
He's known as Muskrat for a reason. You can't trust anything he says.

>>52910398
what is speed limit
the faster meme is nonsensical
the only things that matters is running costs

>>52909807
The efficiency of an electric motor alone will make this truck or any adaptation based on it a success. Why does that upset you so? You feel emasculated when you're not driving a huge good ol' American diesel truck?

>>52910398
>because maximum speed of truck is sole factor in delivery speed
speed limits, traffic density, road conditions, reaction times are all greater factors in delivery times - truck max speed is prettty much matched to optimal already. What is more important in trucking is range, reliability, constant availabilty (no hanging for hours on chargers etc) - all shit that Musks vaporware is (naturally) fucking terrible at. Still, the renderings look good.

Might be a good time to buy Tesla stock. I wonder what will be the floor though.

>>52910398
>What are speed limits?
It won't maintain "20% faster" over 500 miles. I'd love to know how you figure the payload weight difference is 20% as the manufacturer has point blank refused to tell anyone what the truck weighs or it's maximum payload.

>>52909881
savage acceleration is the last fucking thing you want on a loaded truck. The very last. You'd need to spend 5 times as much hassle securing the load for G-Force acceleration - for fucking what, to get across the loading bay 0.5s quicker? Its not like no-ones gonna notice if you start going 140mph in the POS shit either.

>>52910503
he's poor. it's literally always poors that shit on EV cause theyre still too overpriced

Tesla really should've made an electric box truck instead. If there's one thing BEVs are good at, it's city slicking and Tesla's experience in electric drivetrains would've given them a very good shot at getting a huge head start in that market. But no, gotta make it a semi because of the "prestige" attached to it.

>>52910503
I'm English. Volvo, Daf, Renault, Scania have all launched electric vehicles over here. It's got nothing to do with threatening my manhood and everything to do with the sheer bullshit elon is spouting. Every trucking company would jump all over electric if they saved even a fraction of a percentage point. Trucking profit margins are razor thin and anything that gives you a slight edge is adopted virtually overnight. I'd drive a truck with a dildo strapped to the seat if it improved my mpg by even a fraction. The only way electric trucks work over here is 'last mile' delivering to stores in city centres these tend to be smaller trucks. And the only reason they're used is because local government has put outrageous charges on diesel trucks. It's £100 a day in London for the ULEZ and £20 for the congestion charge so that's £120 a day of tax put on diesel which makes the EV's look cheaper. On a level playing field EV trucks lose every time because of their limited load capacity.

>>52910398
I'm actually a trucker, I pull reefer and deliver food and produce. He is correct, the way shipping/recieving works, it pays more to move more weight and move more weight that the reciever can put upcharges on. For instance a bag of flour has limited upcharge, the reciecer buys it for $1 and can sell it for $1.02, meanwhile aa pack of gum they buy for .20 and can sell for .80.

There is no advantage to showing up to recieving or shipping appointments early. You are scheduled to arrive at 1000 and they will let you go at 1200 exactly because any later than they have to pay out detention fees. You are free to show up at 0800 but they will still keep you till 1200 and pay $0 in detention fees. The trucking company makes more on the pounds and value of the product, not showing up 6 hours early.

>>52910585
So you're actually upset with the British government and not necessarily with Tesla?

>>52910612
the goberment needs to go
but tesla is a scam literally

>>52910612
I'm annoyed elon is spouting lies and half truths and refusing to give specifications and the msm is sucking his dick and claiming he's saved the planet. He's spouting utter lies about the running costs and profitability of the truck just like he did with his robo taxi bullshit. The msm guzzled that cum down. You'd think they'd learned a lesson and asked for a bit more detail. Volvo, Daf, Scania, Renault specs are publicly available and have to be if you expect people to buy your product.

>>52909807
>>52909847
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>>52910531
>>52910642
Peak brainlet.

So bad it's making me think about training an AI on this type of vomit so it can autoflag it.

>>52910657
Wew lad! Your in depth and well researched reply has made me reconsider everything.

>>52910657
So much Dunning–Kruger it hurts my brain.

>>52910585
>Volvo, Daf, Renault, Scania have all launched electric vehicles
But they are nigger-rigged outsourced electric trucks that have less than half the range of the Tesla, at best. I don't see why you wouldn't get better MPG. The Tesla semi's consumption is known, at around 1.8kWh/mile loaded, or "under 2kWh", the weight is estimated somewhere around 13-14 tons. People were mostly skeptical of the range, but evidently it does 500 miles on a charge. Which is actually not as relevant as the 1MW fast charging, because you have gubment mandated breaks for truckers everywhere, so you're not usually going to do 500 miles in one sitting, and the 1MW fast charging is enough to recharge the truck during the mandated break.

>>52910665
Lmao like yours?
Nobody even gives a shit, go preach in /smg/ where people give a shit about boomerFi

>>52910670
Get checked it's probably brain cancer. Might be why you're this retarded too.

Elon is betting on high speed trains all over. Once that is accepted by normies and government, the highways will just be used for cargo so a high speed EV truck makes sense.

>>52911176
>Elon is betting on high speed trains all over.
in Murica?
thats a bet that makes paying $44b for Twitter look postitvely enlightened.

>>52910398
Based retard was owned.

>>52909807

it's a cool idea but the design of the cab is fucking retarded (one seat.) they've also provided minimal details on how it charges. jewgle says it can hit a 70% charge in 30 minutes... with a 1 megawatt charger. the cost of the charging apparatus will be fucking insane.

>>52911176
When Elon is talking about "high speed trains", he's usually talking about hyperloop or some non-existent planned variation of it. Haven't seen him endorsing traditional trains much.

>>52909807
I bought a $115 Put and a $185 Call for Dec 23, spent $30. Just a small gamble on a hunch. On Friday after the drop, it just traded sideways the rest of the day, so I have a feeling it's gonna move big one way or another next week. The great thing is, I don't care which way.

>>52909807
I'm too poor to afford and EV, I do not care about EVs.

>>52909807
>MUH THONDERFOOOOT I*M KUMMIN!

>>52910675
Can't do deliveries with a semi in an European city. He's talking about outsized vans, not trucks. Also you can use minimum wagers to drive them, unlike a truck.

>>52910504
Diesel truck takes literally a minute to reach max speed from standing still. Also diesel trucks slow down to a crawl when driving uphill. Electric vehicles have less moving parts and are way more reliable than their black goo counterparts. In this case we are also talking about trucks, which never need to be loaded or unloaded during which you can charge.

>MUH THODERFOOOOOOT!

>>52911312
The only way fast chargers will be realistic for trucks is with battery backups at the charging stations.
Hell, even with just consumer cars fast chargers without their own batteries will be a problem for the grid.

>>52911312
The cost
Of charging apparatus is practically nothing. Conducting Electricity from a to b is not exactly complicated a 6th graders could do the equations involved. There is absolutely nothing exotic involved. More just means thicker wire diameter
Or
More thinner wires, that’s all

>>52910532
Red lights don't exist in your universe.

>>52915225
oh yea because the trucker can just pull over on the side of the highway in south dakota or new mexico and plug his truck into a fast charger, right?

>>52915129
>Electric car charing is costing drivers twice as much as a gasoline fill-up in Norway due to the local government.

>>52915225
you're a complete retard. they need step down transformers at the charging site and it's not an off the shelf 480v three phase transformer because the phase current would still be insanely high.
>More just means thicker wire diameter
>More thinner wires, that’s all
yeah man totally
>what are i^2*r losses

>>52909807
>rocket man bad
fuck off back to plebbit.

>>52915953

The truth is that EVs in general are just failures.
Like
>Heh just spend 3x more on a depreciating asset so you can feel good about not contributing to global warming
Literally snake oil, yet politicians somehow believe they're the solution to anything. They're not.

>>52916896
what dreamed up by boomers and old genx isnt a failure?

>>52916849
>rocket man good
fuck off back to twitter

>>52909807

No one wants to be a guinea pig for those 40k lithium bombs.

>>52917232
touched a nerve i see, Mr plebbitor.

>>52909807
You're supposed to keep this quiet. Elon still hasn't finished dumping his bags.
Leverage up and buy more TSLA at 100x earnings and stagnant demand to fund his exit liquidity.

>>52915953
If ME destabilizes hard it could swap around, can't predict international supply shocks.
Germany and UK have huge new cables to Norway and are bidding up the price of their electricity.

>>52909807
This is the product that will turn Tesla from a history-writing company to an epoch-creating one.

There are millions of trucks in the American fleet alone, enough to account for a $400B market. 75% of them are owner-operated. The lowest APR loan a person can get is for equipment they make money on. Tesla's primary competitive advantage is AI.
>t. trucker
Any trucker who's comfortable with the lifestyle will buy a small fleet, not just one. The only thing we need to be "there" for is parking/maneuvering. The last-mile issue is about to become the "how do parking" issue.
>docking your trailer is hard. most people can't into trucking because they can't park.
>robots can park fine but regulations will take 10 years
>people who fill the gap will be rich

So basically Elon is going to fill this market demand using finance from an existing money pool that he doesn't need to control. Truckers are just sitting there ready to pre-order. And we'll pre-order ten deep. Every one of us. All he has to do is give good remote pilot ability and an NFT-ignition.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/truck-driver-demolishes-the-tesla-semi-as-a-completely-stupid-vehicle-206190.html

>>52911176
Like his meme loops? If anything, he hates trains because then people wouldn’t drive his wheeled coffins/crematorium

>>52917807
I don't think you're going to be allowed to run multiple trucks with one drive any time soon, at best maybe as a convoy.
>>52917943
>"n-no it can't be true despite them showing evidence"
I don't know why retards have such a big problem accepting the fact that Tesla can make better EVs than anyone else, when they have an established track record of doing so. They're a big, specialized company dedicating a lot of money and effort to developing their vehicles, as opposed to everyone else just throwing a random chink battery and drive system into their existing truck designs and wondering why their range is shit.