/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>52833183
This is a demon.
Dysgenic freaks who succumb to shilling and hyper-hopium addictions become demons.
They always think they are winning no matter what happens.
As long as they're being stimulated according to the pattern that allows them to receive their circle jerk rewards nothing else matters to them.
There is no incentive for them to logically analyze anything, least of all themselves.
They can always just retreat back into their autism and receive the greatest false hopium they know and all else can be forgotten.
Shilling on demand accompanied by fake hopium, the most common forms of hyperstimulus, have deleted the souls of the majority of the link bagholders.
Chainlink is the jew's greatest weapon and its casualties are piling up and choking out real humanity.
We have to kill them all.

Here's everything you need to know:

if something hasn't happened in 5 years under the supervision of a fat fucking russian the chances are it won't happen in the next year either

>>52833183
Here's everything you need to know:
fuck off back to your discord you chainlink labs fucking shill, this board doesn't care about chainlink anymore, go home.

>>52833230
It’s all on the swift website available for everybody to read. It’s already happening and banks have no choice but to use it.
It’s compulsory.

>>52833219
>>52833230
>>52833240
Look at these vile subhumans

Based WAGMI bros

>>52833183
Here’s everything you need to know

>>52833183
Im sorry man its over crypto has been proven to be a scam, if you made money it just means you were sane enough to take profits instead of dreaming of becoming a multimillionaire.

>>52833254
Memes aside, sorry there is absolutely zero sane chance chainlink is part of ISO 20022. They don't even have the fundamental staking system up and running properly yet. There is no world in which swift and whatever bodies co-ordinates the ISO20022 shift are ready to move it all onto link oracles yet.

>>52833254
kek

>It-It's just compulsory mmkay??
>Surely trillion dollar banking cartels will trust a guy who delivered Bancor, FTX, BlockFi and Celsius rugpulls to its own muhreeeeens

Here's really what you need to know. Link will still be successful, just not in global finance.

>>52833290
>flushes toilet

>>52833303
Swift/isso 20022 the standard messaging service. They are using chainlinks CCIP, it goes live in March. It is compulsory. They have a maximum of two years to migrate

>>52833342
They're explicitly doing a proof of concept with CCIP right now, so how does that make sense with it being central to a system that has been pressed upon banks for years now.

>>52833342
How much will 1 Chainlink token be worth

>>52833365
It makes perfect sense, nothing about ISO2022 is in full production usage yet, and neither is CCIP.

>>52833365
they've been working with serg for far longer than you realize anon. they set up chainlink to be an "open source white label" solution they could adopt without looking like they were behind it from the get go. this way they could monetize api calls due to the open fintech regulations.

>>52833365
>>52833397
Note that I'm not saying ISO20022 necessarily involves CCIP, but it could.

>>52833397
No but to get banks to agree to update to the new standard they would 100% need it solid, tested and working. Then test it with banks' systems and then move forward. None of that fits with doing a proof of concept on a part months before you go live.

>>52833439
>banks want it to be tested first
what do you think a PoC is?

>>52833365
5 trillion messages/transactions daily, failures happen and it’s costly. Link makes it faster/secure and all services are streamlined. It also gives them access to the blockchain if they wish in a safe and secure manner.

>>52833453
this. it's also nearing final stages of audits as per serg.

Will link just do the messaging side or will it do the settlement as well.

>>52833457
*yearly. My mistake

>>52833469
The settlement side will be done in whatever tokenized asset they want.
In the vast majority of cases, this will involve at least two blockchains.

>>52833453
Yes but long before you actually finalize the standard and go to banks with it, which they've been doing for years now. Seriously wake up for gods sake.

>>52833469
It won’t do shit

>>52833469
link will do the "fat russian scammer" side

>>52833519
ISO20022 is still undergoing constant development, and will continue to do so even after it's fully in usage.
Interoperability is a massive part of ISO20022, and Swift is ramping up the release of interoperability testing results only in the past few weeks.

I am going to rub it in you face every single day once march comes and goes and you don't hear a peep about this from swift. Get ready linkies.

>>52833535
I don't have an opinion on whether it will eventually be part of it. But the initial package that banks will update to has been put to them for years now with banks delaying. It just doesn't fit in at all with a feature being proof-of-concepted as we speak.

>>52833551
>But the initial package that banks will update to has been put to them for years now
The interoperability part of it is still very much taking shape right now.
Go to Swift's news section and look at all the articles about interoperability they keep putting out lately.

>>52833550
It’s already on their website, it’s already happening and it’s been in development for years. It’s live in March and it’s compulsory for all bank to have to use it.
It’s the standard

>>52833476
Cheers. I assumed it was just the messaging side. Shouldn't be hard to be better than the 7% failure rate swift currently has.

>>52833560
I will do now - but i would still take any new development of interoperability as nothing that will see a place in the first instance of ISO20022. Things move very slowly for good reason in banking.

>>52833550
You can't deny that it's looking very likely at this point that something happens. We have literal confirmation from Swift that they're working with Link on 'interoperability'. Which is (along with "tokenized asset") one of the biggest buzzwords Swift has been using in the past two years.

>>52833601
Banks are frothing at the mouth to start "interoperating" tokenized assets and CBDCs.

>>52833607
> Banks are frothing at the mouth to start "interoperating" tokenized assets and CBDCs.

Every country has a CBDC ready to deploy. They are just waiting on the security and infrastructure. It’s basically a race at this point to get ahead of the game

Looking at swift news, the only reason it was delayed to March was because the ECB was dragging its feet. Not because they were waiting to finalize anything.

So again, it really doesn't cohere with CCIP being instrumental to it yet.

>>52833637

Also the report on their current sandbox experimentation with CBDC interoperability doesn't mention chainlink.

Obviously we do know they're doing a PoC but all the evidence really doesn't point to this being far enough along to have been implemented into their solutions.

https://www.swift.com/swift-resource/251902/download

>>52833667
Kek.

>>52833674
>https://www.swift.com/swift-resource/251902/download
>using corda
go back to slides from years ago with what oracle corda was using.

>>52833183
I will check it out a bit later.
However there is one issue with this.
I don't think CCIP is needed for communications of the legacy system.
CCIP's function is to connect to blockchains and send messages through it.

It seems to be more of an additional service which will make it possible for the banks moving to ISO20022 to effortlessly use blockchains later once the functionality is supported without needing an additional migration.

The only exception would be if this new ISO20022 messaging system uses a blockchain too.
Then CCIP being integrated from the start even in a beta version would be used.

CCIP can be used in its beta state for those transactions without staking because it runs on the existing trusted system.
But I don't know what they are really doing and am tired of having to guess everything...

>>52833701
They also explicitly are providing services to projects using corda now
They are the oracle layer for corda just like they are for eth

I fully expect that even if the SWIFT CEO himself has a speech in March and directly mentions Chainlink enabling their progress in interoperability that still absolutely nothing would happen with the price of LINK somehow

based thread

>>52833735
Banks are wanting to become CEX’s and offer custodial services. They already dominate on/off ramps.
They need this to stay relevant. Without it it’s certain death

What i simply don't understand is this... There's like 100 good chainlink nodes, that's it. And most of them are semi-hobbyist AWS operations. I guess i don't understand how the Chainlink network is mature enough to even participate in some grand SWIFT integration. Unless the banks themselves spin up Chainlink nodes.

>>52833757
All that’s needed is some of those 5 trillion yearly transactions. That’s when it starts getting crazy, it won’t be overnight it’s value will grow with adoption and that’s already happening

>>52833918
banks have to open up their systems to outside fintech either way. their best option is to spin up nodes and collect fees from the data.

>>52833918
> Unless the banks themselves spin up Chainlink nodes.

Nodes ops are limited to the amount of link they can stake and you can’t choose where your link is staked and for what purpose. That’s part of the decentralisation and network security mechanism. So I don’t think it’s as easy as just setting up a node

>>52833638
CCIP will be part of it in 10 years probably

>>52834209
You think banks are gonna wait 10 years to streamline and secure their business. You think they’re gonna wait 10 years before they can offer custodial services or 10 years until they can handle CBDC’s

>>52833638
>Looking at swift news, the only reason it was delayed to March was because the ECB was dragging its feet. Not because they were waiting to finalize anything.
And?
Swift has been putting out a bunch of news about interoperability progress only in the past few weeks; even before the delay.
They're still working on it.

>>52833674
>Also the report on their current sandbox experimentation with CBDC interoperability doesn't mention chainlink.
That experiment was a gimped version of interoperability.
Instead of
>blockchain A => [interoperability project] => blockchain B

it was
>blockchain A => interoperability project's blockchain

Swift has also stated many times that they are testing out more interoperability solutions, for all we know it's all finalized and waiting only for the ISO rollout.

>>52833735
>I don't think CCIP is needed for communications of the legacy system.
ISO 20022 is specifically a standard for electronic financial data interchange.
Financial institutions have been all over digital assets and CBDC for a long time now, this is all converging very quickly.

>>52833183
>NEW DATE JUST DROPPED

HYPE AND PUMP DUMPS UNTIL MARCH, THEN SHORTLY BEFORE MARCH A PUMP AND THEN DROP AND CRAB

Bump

>>52834375
I'll reiterate that i have no opinion on whether CCIP will eventually form part of the ISO20022 system - we'll see what they say after the PoC concludes.

However everything points to it not being part of the initial release in march. There is zero world in which they add something that is being tested now or recently.

>>52833837
Yeah look how well that worked with FTX.
What we need is more crypto reserve banking on a massive scale...

They may be working towards this but that doesn't mean it will happen soon and it won't create new problems.
Sergey advertised many features they need for this in his Swift presentation and none of them are ready for a release.

For massive banking adoption they certainly need the ability to scale with staking and that feature won't be released before 2025 with their current track record of delays.
CCIP at best will be released in a beta phase for reduced Swift functionality which will prove that staking won't be required for the security of the network and further decrease the value proposition of the LINK token as a part of the Chainlink token.

DECO might get released in its initial state next year which could be used to speculate on regulated DeFi using KYC and under-collateralized loans, but it will be comparable to NFT random number generation from a profit perspective and a low value service which only generates profits on a gigantic adoption scale.

Looking at all of this the only thing which can pump the token price would be speculation on these new features.
The reality however is that almost nothing they do can create real value for the Chainlink network and translate into the LINK token price increasing through real usage.
The only way for this to happen would be if the network grew by more than x1000 and was adopted by the world for everything to become a monopoly like Google.

This scenario is more than a decade away in the scenario they manage to deliver on their promises.

how long do we have to suffer?

Two more weeks marines!

>>52834664
>There is zero world in which they add something that is being tested now or recently.
That makes no sense.

>>52834352
it probably works without CCIP somehow.

>>52833371
how does a billion million Eurodollars sound to you my most honourable Sir?

>>52834687
Yes, it does my retard. Banks will not attest to move to a new system whose components are not even ready. They will want it tested, confirmed and then tested on their end. As said the march date is because the ECB wanted to delay it, not to allow CCIP to get in there and there is no way they update all fucking bank messaging standards onto something that will be maximally tested 3 months prior to public action. Go work a job for a day before making claims, you're way off base.

>>52833219
>>52833230
>>52833240
It's in fact the Link fudders who have been acting like vile, cackling demons. This is an indisputable fact.

>>52834687
Is this your first time tasting Bulgarian word salad?

>>52834670
>Yeah look how well that worked with FTX.
>What we need is more crypto reserve banking on a massive scale...
>They may be working towards this but that doesn't mean it will happen soon and it won't create new problems.
>Sergey advertised many features they need for this in his Swift presentation and none of them are ready for a release.
>For massive banking adoption they certainly need the ability to scale with staking and that feature won't be released before 2025 with their current track record of delays.
>CCIP at best will be released in a beta phase for reduced Swift functionality which will prove that staking won't be required for the security of the network and further decrease the value proposition of the LINK token as a part of the Chainlink token.
>DECO might get released in its initial state next year which could be used to speculate on regulated DeFi using KYC and under-collateralized loans, but it will be comparable to NFT random number generation from a profit perspective and a low value service which only generates profits on a gigantic adoption scale.
>Looking at all of this the only thing which can pump the token price would be speculation on these new features.
>The reality however is that almost nothing they do can create real value for the Chainlink network and translate into the LINK token price increasing through real usage.
>The only way for this to happen would be if the network grew by more than x1000 and was adopted by the world for everything to become a monopoly like Google.
>This scenario is more than a decade away in the scenario they manage to deliver on their promises.

Didnt read, cant unstake

>>52834753
This. Banks and gov are extremely slow at implementing new systems. Everything needs to be tested many times before anything goes ahead.

>>52834764
kekked

>>52833290
>and whatever bodies
This is how you know this guy knows what he's talking about.

>>52834375
I'm holding my sui stack incase there is some bullish very very unlikely scenario and all this will rollout fast but I think these anons are probably right >>52834670
>>52834753
and we are not gonna make it any time soon. Better start making money somewhere else and forget crypto for few decades.

>>52834670
Cultists cant refute this.

>>52834807
It's international finance, it's not just 'swift + bank of america'. Even here we've discussed the ECB having a role, I assume there are lots of international finance regulatory bodies that provide input.

>>52834786
not when the bottom line is impacted. if there is coin to be made in moving to a new framework, they will sprint there.

>>52833791
>Ari is Judas
What did Kek mean by this?

>>52834846
sure anon, they will sprint there without the technology actually being implemented and tested

>>52834846
Yeah true. I have way too much faith in governments and Banks sometimes.

>>52834879
it is there though. this entire thread is about it being there.

>>52834908
It's not though, no-one contests the fact it is still being tested. Final audit supposedly.

>>52834764
I'm probably using the wrong "salad fork".

>>52834753
>Banks will not attest to move to a new system whose components are not even ready.
Things can be ready after testing.
What you're saying is nonsense.

>>52833219
Sorry I can’t sell. Staked for 1 year. I know ughhhh it’s just it’s impossible for me to sell is all. Hahahahaha

>>52834947
As said repeatedly now, to the point of concern for you, it was meant to go live in october. The delay was nothing to do with CCIP.

Furthermore ready doesn't mean it has completed it's proof of concept. It means that finished, fit into the standard, discussed with the banks, tested with them and then released. None of that happens in 3 months even assuming all of the PoC is completed now. I'm really not going to continue this as I frankly just think you're drunk or tired, i'm sure you will have some reply but about 6 times now it was just a question already answered so just refer to an earlier post for your answer.

>>52834939
so you agree it's in the final stages of being audited and implemented? lol. march is right around the corner.

>>52835013
>>52835011

>>52835011
this thread is full of word mincing retards. system provably works and is being audited for security. you will have banks sprinting for a reliable way to make more money and to cut costs elsewhere. march begins the transition.

>>52834908
k cool. i guess ill be filthy rich in 2023

>>52835011
>it was meant to go live in october
It was meant to go live in late November.
And for all we know CCIP could've launched then.
They announced that they were working on the PoC a full two months prior to that date.

>ready doesn't mean it has completed it's proof of concept
Why not?

>tested with them
You mean like in a proof of concept?

And again, I'm not saying ISO 20022 launch will necessarily involve CCIP, but it absolutely can.
Nor is CCIP exclusively tied to ISO20022 or GPI or any of these specific projects. CCIP is related to interoperability in general.

>>52835116
Based

>>52833183

You guys are clueless. ISO 20022 is not a payment system, it's a methodology for creating standardized financial messages. There are already domestic clearing and settlement systems that have been using ISO 20022 for nearly a decade now, like BOJ-Net in Japan and Bangladesh Central Bank.

ISO 20022 is being implemented as XML-format messages. So, when Bank A in Japan wants to transfer JPY to Bank B, it sends an ISO 20022 XML message to the Bank of Japan's system, which debits Bank A's account and credits Bank B's account.

What is happening in March 2023 is Swift is mandating that connected banks start accepting ISO 20022 XML messages over their Swift interfaces.

As of right now, I'm not aware of any evidence indicating that Chainlink is involved in any of this. It's possible that they are connected to Swift behind the scenes while they work on their proof of concept. If so they are keeping it very much under wraps, since I'm involved in this space and haven't heard Chainlink come up once. Either way, don't get excited for ISO 20022 in March since nothing is going to happen that impacts you, this is very much starting out as a mandatory compliance change in the interbank space. There may be more to come, but right now everyone is very much in the bootstrapping phase of this new financial infrastructure that is being built and very few people if any can see 100% of the whole picture at this point.

>>52834836
The first sentence in that post is retarded and discredits him instantly.

>>52834786
Swift and Link have been working together since 2017

>>52835779
Then explain how the interoperability part works?

>>52835856
Interoperability refers to the coexistence of legacy (MT) and the new ISO 20022 Swift messages on the network. Not all banks will be able to start sending ISO 20022 messages at the beginning of the migration in March. This causes problems because if banks start sending ISO 20022 data through intermediaries that haven't adopted ISO, the data can get lost along the way which violates sanctions and other compliance requirements. Swift had to develop solutions to allow interoperability between banks using the legacy standard and ISO 20022, so they came up with their in-flow translation service and Transaction Manager product. In-flow translation delivers the old MT format message when a banks sends in ISO 20022, meaning that whichever bank receives it doesn't have to process the new type of message if they aren't ready. Transaction Manager is more complicated, but think of it as a way to keep the ISO 20022 data as a part of the transaction even if one of the banks in the chain is still on the legacy standard. Swift has plans to build out more functionality into the Transaction Manager but it is an a very early stage still and isn't live yet.

>>52835932
Hmmm strange, it's almost as if Linkies are part of a delusional cult, and they have been conned, since Chainlink won't be used for any of this....

>>52835970
no, this anon >>52835779 is conveniently leaving out the part that actually matters. banks now have to open their systems to third party fintechs due to regulations from 2017. with adoption of the new messaging standard, so do the new apis.

>>52833674
Google "x bank + chainlink" for the banks in the digital dollar pilot. Some of the were at the conference. It would lend you a lot more credibility to at least state obvious known information.

>>52834768
>Track record of delays
What the hell are you talking about? Do you seriously do this for free? Only a idiot would conflate runway for developing novel tech with "delays". Chainlink has never "delayed" shit, it gets released when and how the day it will, which is one of the reasons so many anons are holding for years and continuing to hold.

>>52835932
So you can’t actually explain how the interoperability works other than that its code that isn’t finished yet?
It seems awfully convenient that you don’t know about the parts that are using CCIP

>>52835779
>>52835932
I have no experience of your space but this sounds more realistic than the hopium people spout in this echo chamber.

>>52833183
While OP just wants his bags pumped, there are people who calls it nothing burger.
Let it be, swift is a small fish in this ocean, who cares, just small part of integrations.
But do remember Sergey's goal, Sergey wants to be part of everything, like google bots skimming whole web for information.
Sergey will do it, he has teh powah, if he won't be able to do it, he will be dethroned and big guys will fill his place, product will happen. No questions about it.
It's strange you people still discuss these nothing burgers. Where were you 2-5 years ago?

>>52836164
You have no idea what you're talking about. Interoperability at this stage means that Bank A can send USD to Bank C through Bank B even if Bank B can't send ISO 20022 messages yet. Swift doesn't need a cross-chain interoperability crypto protocol for this to happen, they just need to store the ISO data. Maybe CCIP will come into play at a later stage, but I assure you it has nothing to do with what is happening in March of next year. You are better off looking into what Swift is doing with securities messages since that seems to be closer to what they're working on with Chainlink. March 2023 is payments messages not securities.

Notice how the very long, negative posts are very similar in how they are written. Discord coordinated fud? Yes. Why? Because their prerogative has always been to get you to sell. The thread went from genuine skepticism to full blown paid shill campaigns, likely co-opted by the same retards who have been fudding for the last two years.

You, as a LINK holder already know that the only information you need to be using to question your position, won’t come from these fud posting manipulative conniving shills, but from the technical financial data that everyone can find on the graphs and numbers. But you already know this, and no one sincere has EVER sold because of fud niggers.
>b-but i sold cause fud nigger said so!
Oh I’m sure you did, fud nigger. Great job on your part not buying in at .20 cents too! Bought in at fifty dollars? Wow! No wonder you’re fucking assmad!

>>52836273
>Great job on your part not buying in at .20 cents too!
I'm sorry, fren.... i bought only at 0.45 ....I know, I know...

hello sirs im not feeling so good when price go up marines?

>>52836273
The spent a month spamming staking fud which filled up hours after general access opened.

Now they want us to know CCIP, DECO, etc. have been severely "delayed", because they are very concerned for our financial well being.

>>52836243
I’ll refer back to the original article I was referencing.
CCIP will enable SWIFT messages to instruct on-chain token transfers, helping the interbank network to be able to communicate across all blockchain environments.
This will help accelerate the adoption of distributed ledger technology (DLT) blockchains and benefit various institutions across capital markets, Chainlink co-founder Sergey Nazarov said at the SmartCon 2022 conference in New York City on Wednesday.
SWIFT’s Strategy Director Jonathan Ehrenfeld Solé said that one of the reasons working with Chainlink on CCIP has been successful is that there is “undeniable interest” in crypto from institutional investors. Traditional finance (TradFi) players want access to various digital and traditional assets on one network that can connect different types of asset classes, Solé said.
The partnership between Chainlink and SWIFT in cross-chain interoperability will help bridge the gap between traditional and digital assets for TradFi institutions, he added. Chainlink's native token is LINK.

>>52836485
Did chatGPT write this?

>>52833219
Gargh, I'm sorry bud, I already staked and couldn't sell if my life depended on it, thankfully it doesn't.
See you in a year!

>>52836600
that's right.

>>52836485
? what's your question

>>52836587
Do you struggle with reading comprehension?

>>52833998
Have you guys not even read the original whitepaper or aware of the ico distribution? 300 million tokens, 1/3 of the entire supply, set aside specifically for enterprise level node operators and hasn't been touched. Hmm wonder who those could be for.

>>52836624
We are back to 2018/early 2019 style fud, where its jokingly said by anons just sort of bored and waiting for something to happen. There is some actual bitterness from a few anons who bought in 2021/2022 and have never seen their portfolio in the green, sort of like 2017 top buyers, but that'll go away by next year.

>>52836630
They've been set aside exclusively for the WEF and globohomo. Scwhab himself will be collecting at least 100 million of those when Sergey kneels to him after the chainlink network is fully operational.

>>52836656
Sometimes I forget that everybody here owns Link.

>>52836656
300m for the arbiters of regulatory "rails" that will silo the industry under direct control of fiat issuing central banks. The entire value prop of link hinges on being an exception to their system, not a outlier.

>>52836656
Being in the green at these local bottoms and the absolute bottom if it is yet to come is a silver lining only afforded to those who have held for half a decade. With that in mind, Sergey saying "ten years" for full realization is simply a sober statement.

>>52835932
I'm glad someone else here understands the current state of ISO20022 and what's occurring.

>>52833342
Just fuckng stop, top kek! First it was,
>bank have until by end of 2022 dec
Now it’s March hahahahhaahha, this embarrassin. Just fucking stop

>>52836667
I mean you're not entirely wrong, this was always a faustian pact that OG's were aware of. Also your post should have gotten the quad 6's, would have been fitting.

>>52833918
Companies like Deutsche Telekom announced their own nodes s

>>52836794
I don’t think a three month delay to an overhaul of the entire words financial system is that much in the greater scheme of things desu

>>52836757
Well yes, did you actually believe in the ultra libertarian fantasy that crypto would just destroy the banking cartel? The difference between chainlink and bitcoin is chainlink actually can secure its value by providing something via smart contracts that traditional finance wants access to, for crypto to make it mainstream there was always going to have to be some sort of blended system, just like the internet didn't do away with actual stores, movies, music etc, just simply gave you another interface to access them.
>>52836786
I mean its actually 2 years, you would have had to buy chainlink post august 2020 to have ever seen red in your portfolio. Its just many on this board whether they admit it or not are impatient zoomers who migrated here from /pol/ eager to /makeit/ within a single cycle of crypto and have never invested or held significant sums of money in their lives. Or they're angry because they compare link's growth to bitcoin, which created an entirely new asset class, or ethereum, which capitalized off of shitcoin casino gambling and will likely continue towards irrelevancy as layer 1's become settlement layers in the future. Or shitcoin of the week for this past cycle, which will all die just as previous shitcoins died in previous cycles.

>>52836946
Much of links "value facilitated" was all defi too if we are going to label eths appreciation as the shitcoin casino. One of the exciting things now is that Chainlink is tightening control over their collaborators with the roll out of proprietary staking. I have seen the failures of Celsius, bancor, LPL etc. as relatively risk free testing in production/research which has given link research to capitalize off without totally risking their own neck.

We need positive news about arbitrum nitro nodes as defacto link validators, and launch of CCIP to create any runway for price appreciation in the bear market, which is something we know link has had a tendency to do.

>>52836788
I suspect most on this board get it, but now is the boring period where there is nothing to do but wait. For that reason, some will fud out of said boredom because they understand it doesn't matter if retail buys, and they will derive pleasure at the thought that some moonboi from reddit was tricked out of ever buying link because someone said sergay bought his dad a lambo, or the hr roasties make 300k a year. I admit its funny at times to me but the discussion does get very diluted to the point that outside of legitimate breadcrumb threads (which are rarer and rarer these days), the interactions here are very boring. Nothing has really changed though, chainlink is inevitable if you believe cryptocurrency has a future coexisting with traditional finance. If you don't think or want it to coexist, you are a bitcoin maxi (and/or monero), otherwise you view crypto purely as a pump and dump market to be used purely for gambling. Any other view is likely influenced by paid shilling (if you actually believe chainlink pays to shill on this board you are quite possibly the dumbest most gullible gorilla nigger this side of fentanyl floyd).

>>52836788
you and the other anon are retards. how are you going to leave out psd2 and how iso20022 allows it? lol. go fuck yourselves.

>>52837085
Yes agreed, sergey shilling defi was always somewhat bearish to me but I understood it as more of a proof of concept to the only customers he felt actually mattered (banks/enterprise like dtcc), and it was a sensible pivot even if the truth is 99% of defi in its current form is nothing more than another layer of ponzi casino. All that being said link is still an extremely risky play, but there needs to be some level of risk to reap reward. People tout bitcoin but the reality is bitcoin bought at a level where a small investment could make you rich, was far riskier than chainlink ever was. You either mined it yourself in which case you were a tech geek and likely could have had a comfy 6 figure job in tech already anyways, or you bought in the wild west days of exchanges where things like mt gox happened. Crypto did not become user friendly on the front end as far as purchases go until around 2017, that was the first mainstream cycle, and people who bought bitcoin at the very bottom of that cycle have only seen a 60x without swinging. 2016/early 2017 eth was also a significantly riskier play than even ico chainlink, which is why those buyers saw over 1000x gains, anyone who bought eth even at the bottom of 2018 only has seen 50-60x gains.

>>52837117
Fuck off faggot, PSD2 and ISO20022 are two different things, and the fact that you're conflating them just shows your minimal understanding of how SWIFT and regulation works. Absolute brainlets like you should have their skulls caved in, or be castrated and then tossed into a woodchipper

>>52837170
Link as an investment has always been rooted in fundamentals. The people working for CL Labs, Sergeys choice of words, and their enterprise connections. We live under constsnt fud because no project rivals link in these regards.

>>52837261
how is it the last month of 2022 and we're still grasping at straws and bickering over ISO20022?

Dear lord, my bare minimum lowest bear market scenario was that we'd be crabbing around $100 right now.
Yet here we are at $6.66, an embarrassing version of staking out, and no clue how long it's going to take before CCIP or staking v1.0 goes live.

>>52837117
Thanks anon. Picrel

>>52837261
i never said they were the same you disingenuous motherfucker. what i'm saying is the new iso20022 lays the technical foundation for psd2 to take off. THIS is why people are excited.

>>52833573
Link it for the lazy

>>52837680
https://criticalsoftware.com/en/news/exploring-iso-20022-and-PSD2

>>52837680
https://www.pwc.com/it/en/industries/banking/assets/docs/psd2-nutshell-n04.pdf

More importantly, when will Ari and Sergey let it moon again? I think it's almost time

This may be our first airdrop lads.

> In an official announcement, Nuon Protocol detailed plans to integrate multiple Chainlink services including Price Feeds, Automation, and Proof of Reserve. Ultimately, Rust expects Nuon’s integration with Chainlink as “one of the most established and respected names in the blockchain industry” will attract new users.

“Chainlink’s infrastructure is a linchpin of the entire decentralized finance network,” he said. “It is truly a pivotal piece of infrastructure that can and will onboard numerous users in both the decentralized and traditional finance ecosystem.”

>>52836052
You might have to dumb it down a little bit for me pal

these conversations are all good, but are we going back to +$10 anytime?

>>52837775
>>52838107
nice bread anon

>>52836630
Wait, so if 500 million are circulating, and 300 million are locked for enterprise, that means sergay can only dump 200 million more?

>Jesus comes back
>declares link the token of god
>+0.32%

>>52838158
>only
as a reminder, he has "only" dumped 150 million so far. the higher the price goes the higher the downpressure on price gets due to the dumps. So good luck waiting another 5-10 years for numbah go up.

>>52838107
>inflation pegged flatcoin
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmHVw9cL7fk&t=210s
I'm still struggling to see where the appreciation in value comes from

>>52838107
Sentiment here will soon be dominated by airdrops and anons who didn't stake yet burning with interest in the next pool allocation.
>>52838215
Link tokens appreciation will precede the bull market which is basically guaranteed as link is infra that enables the next generation of state of the art dapps. People still seem to have a hard time fully understanding that Chainlink enabled defi.

>>52838158
Yes, people have been using "muh dumps" as low tier fud forever, its barely above cup of coffee in terms of effort, anons like this one >>52838215
are either shittesting you in an effort to filter midwits, or are unironic btc maxis, as they're the only ones who have ground to stand on with regards to token distribution/dumps. And I'm not opposed to that argument either, but btc maxi's are also anti tech and refuse to understand the value prop of smart contracts, or insist that lightning network can capture it (it can't).

>>52838269
It’s a stablecoin that is even more stable than fiat. It’s entire value prop is that it doesn’t lose value as fiat does.

>>52836917
In three months they will overhaul the entire financial system. This will happen 100% and all linkies will get their tradwife

>>52838503
I get that, but say if inflation of USD is 10%/year. The flatcoin's value will rise 10%, but what allows it to increase 10%? How is that value created?

>>52838618
Agree. More than just link though.

>>52833283
I recognize this is a troll but the irony is that it's the literal same thing as the stock market. Its just monetizeling pieces of something useful. It is a complicated ponzi, but so are stocks.

>>52834375
>for all we know it's all finalized and waiting only for the ISO rollout.
This also aligns with Sergey ghosting us on the CCIP release this year he announced. It was supposed to come out in 2022 but didn't, so what changed? Well, SWIFT's ISO20022 migration (CCIP's biggest use case) got pushed from November out into March.

>>52838457
thank you for projecting your retarded babble onto me. lots and lots of blah blah for excusing your messiah.

>>52836946
Im calling bullshit man. Some of us are mid 30s. You guys pumped this so hard last few years making it sound like all of this was imminent. And now we’re a decade away. Typical bagholder bullshit. I wish I had never heard of all this buzzword bullshit. No one cares, nothing is getting adopted, etc. Im now setback a decade financially, and time is running out. Thanks assholes

>>52837384
Tell me about it. I remember feeling awesome when I added more on the “dip”
sub $20. This whole year has knocked the wind out of me. Fucking blows

>>52838957
3 more months to overhaul, trust the plan.

>>52839006
Yeah sure man that will definitely happen

>>52838907
I believe it was the Bank of England who pushed it back, they have some say in all of this because they account for 25% of all digital banking trx

>>52838907
What does SWIFT have to do with Sergey releasing CCIP for public permissionless blockchains like Ethereum? If anything you would think he would want to release to the public first so it could demonstrate testing in production with real money at stake before being integrated with SWIFT.

>>52839107
ccip is a grift. it'll eventually be a thing so banks can interact with public chains, but their shit will be on the back end. the promising part about all this, as i've said over and over again in this thread, is the standardization iso20022 brings with open banking. chainlink did a poc years ago showing their protocol interacting with it. their network will allow all of third party fintechs to easily access bank apis through the psd2 initiative.

>>52838957
>>52838992
>>52839025
The sanest most rational anon ITT
>reset the simulation back to le crumbles XD two more months marines!
that's the way the cookie crumbles is it?

>>52833219
Imagine typing all this…

>>52839048
You are correct it was them.

>>52834835
How much are you holding anon?

>>52839189
8 hours of Fud about a coin they don’t hold.

Imagine buying chainlink current year instead of literally any other ISO 20022 token

>>52839247
10k

>>52839107
>If anything you would think he would want to release to the public first so it could demonstrate testing in production with real money at stake before being integrated with SWIFT.
I wouldn't think that. Chainlink Labs, SWIFT, and everyone else who intends to use it clearly prefer to test CCIP behind closed doors, revealed preferences and all that. I can't know what their reasons are but that's the approach they've taken. Perhaps they want a big use case at go-live to generate enthusiasm and high visibility to pump the token price, who knows!

How recently it seems since these idiots were screeching "staking will never happen!" and yet here I am today, with my entire stack (minus a thousand for selling this year) staked and silently earning 4.75% every day, and each night while I sleep, 24/7, 365.
Makes me glad I never listened to any of their fud, lads!

>>52835932
Check out Swift’s recent press releases about interoperability, and a ton of the latest Sibos talks.
Swift invariably uses interoperability in the context of sending data/transactions/messages/… across different platforms and ledgers etc.

>>52839290
Should I bother getting 1K LINK? (What I thought was the suicide stack lol). I’m priced out from 10K, if I put my entire savings into LINK right now, I would get around 5K.

>>52839417
>my entire savings
DON'T do that
i'll refrain from any advice other than that. if you think it's worth a shot, go for it, but don't be retarded.

>>52839417
Oldfag here's who's been through multiple cycles. Don't listen to this faggot.
>>52839449
This fear is clearly a buy signal. Send it, go full retard, now is absolutely the time provided your time horizon is like 3-5 years

>>52839369
>Perhaps they want a big use case at go-live to generate enthusiasm and high visibility to pump the token price
Yeah...right..

>>52839469
all in ? fucking retarded, ALWAYS have some cash on hand

>>52838923
Why do niggers like you get so angry when I pull the curtains back, le fud4fun isn’t cute or epic trolling and I’m always going to call it out when I see it.

>>52833918
T-Systems is one of the nodes securing the ETH/USD feed. You can see them on the staking page. Without actually intending to shill this unrelated coin, I wouldn't be surprised if iExec's public workerpools launching next month allow CL nodes to do their computations over the secure confidential cloud computing network. There's an article on iExec's integration with Chainllink and it seems to suggest this would now be feasible:

https://medium.com/iex-ec/chainlink-and-iexec-collaborate-to-address-the-complex-off-chain-needs-of-next-generation-702e55ab1ead

Wouldn't a decentralized compute layer be almost a prerequisite for DONs that need to secure transactions on the massive scale that SWIFT would require daily collateral for? iExec launches this product in January, so the timing could be significant

>>52839525
what curtain you dumb ass cultnigger? let me guess, you got your bags paid during the bullrun since you bought under 50 cents and sold some. Now you and Sergey have the same goal of unloading cheap/free LINK onto unsuspecting retards with your XRP 2.0 scam. You are not who I'm trying to convince, you know what you are doing, I'm trying to keep newfags from doing dumb shit.

>>52839494
1. I assumed savings excluded his existing cash on hand
2. I'm being hyperbolic for comedic effect.

But as a deluded linkies I'm also serious about buying a fuck load being an advisable option. Chainlink has been scrapping bottoms for a while now. I'd at least be heavily DCAing if I wasn't exposed to LINK and truly believed in the vision & ability to execute of the project.

>>52833219
https://youtu.be/9EI-Sl_5mIw
Yes, and I'd gladly murder you if I could get away with it.

>>52839545
I am the Orchestratooooooor, based

>>52839585
>cultnigger
>xrp 2.0
I get what you’re doing and to be honest anyone who thinks you’re responding in good faith probably deserves it. Still I’m over the “herp derp 2 man team sibos toilet” shit. I don’t care if someone I deem stupid ends up buying some link, I also don’t care if they don’t, I just want more threads where there is actual discussion and less where idiots respond to pasta like this >>52833219

>>52839720
Low IQ posts like yours make me want to sell. kill yourself

>>52839720
Don't you ever insult Schwablord again, he's an integral part of board culture.

>>52839720
Look buddy. I am honest, I am criticising Chainlink and I do not trust Sergey anymore, not as long as he doesn't address the huge red flags that have come up in the past week. Maybe I'm just being paranoid but I am serious.

>>52839738
Go cry about it on discord and then post sell order.

>>52839755
checked and this. chainlink brand link pastas and marketing personas are board culture. cope seeth and dilate*
*Copyright The Schizo Corporation 2022 All Rights Reversed.

>>52839767
>huge red flags that have come up in the past week
If this is a lpl thing I’m sorry for your loss but I always considered that a far more irrational gamble than just buying more link.

>>52839585
>i’m trying to keep newfags from doing dumb shit
Lmfao

>>52839774
I'd rather cry about it here as I dont use Discord or Twitter like you trannies seem to. Don't forget to kill yourself you worthless piece of shit.

>>52839826
>the jew cries out in pain as he strikes you

>>52839807
>11 posts by this ID
Have sex you worthless piece of shit. Don't forget to kill yourself afterwards. You had five years.
There is no great reset here.
Anon never forgets and he never forgives
Jesus is my witness kill yourself scumbag.

>>52839852
I ride with Jesus and Truth. The Truth is that you are a worthless piece of shit trying to rob innocent anons out of their tendie bucks and I am on a holy mission to stop you. Kill yourself.

>>52839826
>>52839858
>>52839869
Holy cope. You have some serious issues that need addressing. Go get some help while I’m waiting on airdrops

>>52839869
The truth is you are a midwit /pol/ migrant who bought the top and now haunts /biz/ out of spite and obsession because deep down you know linkies are right. You don't have the humility or accountability to accept that ultimately you are responsible for your actions. In both action and spirit you are a woman. A woman trapped in a man's body.

>>52839698
I...I'm gonna oOooOorchestrate

>>52839417
I think link is probably still a good investment but only invest small sums so you can live comfortably because we don't know how long until the real tokenomics take place. I never invested more in crypto after 2017

>>52839990
>waiting on airdrops
I think you have more issues than I do. I'll continue my holy Jihad against Twitter scammers reposting their shit on /biz/. /biz/ is thriving without evil hell spawn like you
>>52839997
/pol/ is a glowie's paradise but what are linkies like you right about?
Swift prison planet? The fact we are all slaves to secret masters so rich that they make the Rothschilds look like linkies in comparison?
Yes its all true. We are slaves. ChainLink is more than a death bond. It will be hell on Earth. Covid lockdowns are nothing compared with what will come once AI guardrails are created and CBDCs can integrate with decentralized blockchains via CCIP. No more walled gardens. government policy will override every DAO.
But luckily me 42 dunning kruger, fuddster linkie god TT, and a few other Knights of Truth are here to stop you. First we take back /biz/ from the lies and the false promises then we take back Twitter from Godless Head Canon. Amen

I am in talks with ChainLinkGod and the Crypto Oracle to return to the flock in secret Twitter Private messages using a dummy account, a sun-bleached blonde with watermelon sized tits. Using esoteric mediation techniques I am able to channel the spirit of Jesus through this Twitter dummy account. Together we will rid the world of evil lies and disinformation.
Slowly but surely the ooze of Truth will seep through the visage of lies that has claimed the hearts of many a linkie.
My only fear is that Elon Musk will ban my account before I am able to accomplish my holy purpose. It's a race against time to rid the world of evil. With Jesus on my side I know I will win.

>>52840300
>7 posts by this id
Have fun staying poor

>>52833183
swift is not going to use your little meme coin lmfao

>>52840133
>yes the chainlink network will enslave the human race but we have a moral obligation to sell our link NOW if we want to save the future
See what I mean, you're just as bullish as us deep down. Only difference is you've had to construct this Harry Potter fan fiction to rationalize being down on your investment. You were betrayed, Sergey is evil, Snape kills Dumbledore, we get it.

Once the leadership caste Linkies have been convinced to return to the flock the rest of the unthinking masses on Twitter with surely follow suit swiftly.

As God is my witness I ride with Jesus in my 216.

>>52840387
I read on here the other day that Harry Potter was a psyop to get the White Race ready to name the Jew. I agree. ChainLink is bullish but the price does not move and it will not make the world a better place. Only Jesus can do that and Sergey the burgler betrayer is no Jesus.
>we get it
who is this we? your Discord?

>>52840358
I hold LINK things cant get any worse could they?
I do think it is interesting no crypto scammers have been executed live on Tik Tok as revenge. Are all lone wolf style shootings glow ops?

Maybe ChainLink will encourage a whole new style of grassroots punk rebellion against scammers. imagine crypto jewtubers being held to account by the truth of a gun to the head by some pajeet whp has lost everything. boy that would be something.

imagine bitboy and sam gunned down in cold blood in the sunny bahamas and the gunman sips a cold margarita afterwards. kino tok tik

>>52840300
>>52840133

You think you are funny but in reality you are just being a faggot

>>52840369
Eric Schmidt doesn't agree with you pmsl

>>52840622
hello bro where do you think you are you fucking new ID transexual discorder cock sucker?!

Good thread. Ruined by fudders.
Hey fudders, when Chainlink makes me a billionaire I'm going to buy 4chan and all associated logs, I'm going to track you down. You're not safe in Bulgaria, you're not safe in Bangalore. I'm going to track you down for invading my comfy image board and I'm going to pay someone to do horrific, evil things to you. You are not safe.

>>52840936
The Light of Truth and Jesus will strike you down you despicable liar

>>52833183
>cross-chain interoperability protocol (CCIP)
>cross-border payments and reporting (CBPR)

what do these have to do with each other?

>>52840994
Damn bro you almost got me to sell, too bad I staked everything and literally cant! Can you tell me how that makes you feel?

>>52833183
OP translated: bla bla bla
Schizoid FUD translated: bla bla bla

Anyone else feel like this is just not going to happen? They're not going to make it? I have trouble explaining the persistent underperformance any way other than that LINK isn't special and a sluggish team underdelivering. Idk wtf to do with this position anymore.

>>52833371
81000 rupees per link coin sir

>>52833453
A person of colour

>>52841316
Let them deluded themselves of my secret cube

>>52840994
Jesus IS the light of truth, newfag.
You're right though, I am a liar. I'm not going to track anyone down. The best revenge is living well. I already live better than all these street-shitters anyway but I intend to live even better. I will spend a few hours a week rubbing it on here though. I know these faggots will see it, they're here forever.

>>52841422
You are be here forever. This is hell on Earth. ChainLink have trapped speculator and node operator alike in their hellish indoctrination camp with no gains at all.
Funnily enough the hole
>Link makes a new ath every year newfag
has been abandoned in favor of 4.75% unobtainable rewards
>>52841290
Good.

>>52833476
Neither of which will be chainstinnk

>>52841578
>trying this hard
Turn to Christ, anon. He will ease the pain and suffering you are clearly experiencing. You don't have to fud Chainlink, you know? There are other ways to occupy your time. You could try going outside, or if that's too much for you perhaps you could just sit and contemplate what lead you to spending 12 hours a day attacking an investment on an obscure Icelandic Seal clubbing board. Good luck.

>>52841638
God and His Son Jesus have lead me here to seek out the demons that He wants to rid the world of. I serve at Jesus's pleasure.
I cannot go outside while the demons post about the obscure yet 90% down versus ETH demonic cryptocurrency coin ChainLink. 42 amd The Fudster God Linkie TT stand with me against this evil full time. Part time we have Thomas and Michael. Currently I am in talks with ChainLinkGod on my sun bleached blonde with watermelon sized tits alt to return to his FUD for Jesus roots.
This is not a game anymore. This is the internet and it is serious business.
Crypto ghouls are demonic hellspawn and we will rid the internet of them starting with the most holy Irish Jesus Worshipping Cult Forum.

>>52841707
Okay. I tried. Best of luck.

***This is an official message to ChainLinkGod****

If the sun bleached blonde with watermelon sized tits shows you her tits don't be embarrassed when you get hard this is perfectly natural penis behavior.
*******
Likewise note that this is likely a fake as I am a man without watermelon sized tits. Up to you if you get hard just know that Jesus is watching you masturbate.

>>52841738
Try harder. Doing evil is easy that's why you are good at it. Doing good on the other hand is harder than ChainLinkGod's penis and he suffers from erectile disfunction

>>52836338
Same… .50 here…. I feel horrible. I can never speak of this disgrace anywhere but here

News from the front marines!

At approx. 17:33 ET 7 demons have been vanquished this very evening thanks to the excellent esoterica efforts of 42 and Fudster God Linkie TT praise be unto them. The LINK they were holding is now out of circulation... for good... amen.

Go with Christ my sons. You know what we say fellow anons find organized religion not DIY internet cults shilled by the same demonic fucks that brought you financial carnage on a platter

i just bought 354 chain link. what am i in for?

>>52841949
Depression with a god complex. You might also experience froglike symptoms and believe you are the frog version of some literal who. You will believe that you have made it even though you havent
see chainlinkgod

>>52841949
How does 35 dollars sound?

>>52841949
For a while you'll have to deal with seemingly interminable fud.
If you can put up with it and not sell you'll be able to buy a fairly shoddy house in a small city with a stack that small in 3 years. If you can hold for longer you'll be upgrading the size of your house, or the location, year on year. Hold that stack till 2030 and you'll be a millionaire.

>>52833371
$150-250

>>52839869
>jesus

>>52843610
Kek funny picture mind if I save it friend :^)

>>52843610
>Can't into philosophy or theology
>thinks he's innocent of any sin
kek what a fucking brainlet.

>>52843610
The meme is dumb, but the 4th frame actually made me laugh.

It’s kind of crazy how everything is lining up to make the chainlink network priceless. Really scary to see how this is all unfolding . Everything Al going according to sergeys predictions. In 10-20 years people will wish they would have bought at 6 dollars

>>52843610
Sorry anon, I don't think you'll find any women on here that are responsible for eating the fruit.

>>52833183
SWIFT is dead
Russian and China are working on there own system soon all of Asia and Middle East will join

>>52833183
$50 again maybe in 2030, if the whole space or CL specifically hasn't rugged.
Wow AB was such a prophet

When do we just admit we were played for the midwits we are

>>52843928
AB was probably Steve Ellis or a paid marketer.
I wouldn't lose hope, just don't trust sergey's evangelicalizing.
Everything pumps in cryptomania, even garbage like XRP and Cardano.

>>52843899
then you've heard of bsn working with chainlink, right? right, anon?

>>52833183
Beautiful

>>52843992
Level-headed take and agreed AB was absolutely a supereffective marketing ploy.

I appreciate everything moves up with the market but to be fair CL isn't the most awesomely positioned alt if you strip it of all the religion that got it off the ground in the first place. If the idea is to pick a r/r performer, I don't know what the proposition is for CL in that regard. All the same arguments from its first few years? That would be quite short of the mark. If it were everything it was said to be, something undeniable would have reached us all by now. So if all I get is the performance of any other old alt, that's an indictment not an endorsement. Idk anymore ffs

Link is messaging not settlement it’s why serg always dumps. In the end if it still is a sellable token it won’t be worth much

>>52845090
>Link is messaging not settlement
This is the most retarded argument possible.
Settlement for interoperability is in whatever digital asset users want (smart bonds, CBDCs, ...).
And without oracles, there are no such assets on-chain.

>>52838796
Horrifying, innit? I blame 401ks and "index funds" for everything wrong with our world desu.

So... what if we're really agmi? I never thought about it becoming a reality. Would you still frequent /biz/?

how are my swingbros doing

>>52844324
You're about as subtle as a whoopee cushion at a funeral.

>>52845465
Oh good one cunt. I'm sharing my honest takes. Your problem is you and your fucking deluded friends have forgotten what legitimate conversation looks like. Anything short of sycophantic blunt pro-LINK marketing posts are seen as bearing ulterior motives because you're so deep in the weeds of your own bullshit. The point made in the post is obvious. It's underperformed and the bubble popping is a reset button and ought to be an invitation to revisit positions. Said here and elsewhere fuckwit: PUT UP OR SHUT UP. You can't keep saying "uncertainty" is unreasonable if the performance bears it out.

>>52845118
They still don’t get it, even when it’s explained as clear as day.
Even the Eth fud wasn’t this intense. What are they afraid of and who are they

>>52845528
>and who are they
Kek here we go
The qtards of biz strike again

>>52845512
You must think we're idiots. I re-read your post because your indignation took me aback and I thought I must have misjudged you:
>CL isn't the most awesomely positioned alt if you strip it of all the religion that got it off the ground in the first place
>If it were everything it was said to be, something undeniable would have reached us all by now.
Right, it was all bullshit (as if anything else was ever anything less speculative in this fucking space) and NOTHING has reached us, no smartcon, no Schmidt, no Swift POC, no T system nodes, no China, no CCIP is ready soon, nothing.
If you're not paid fud you're actually braindead.

>>52845546
WE'RE BREAKING THE CONDITIONING!

>>52845650
That's what you take as something undeniable? SmartCon? SmartCon 0 was in 2020. Schmidt is an impressive person to have lingering in the periphery, sure, but that's all he's done. SWIFT POC is being worked on. T-Systems and other partnerships are not atypical for the space and if you had the brain matter to venture outside your little stinky safe space you'd realise every fucking top 50 coin has major partnerships of some variety to speak of. I don't even know what "China" means". And "CCIP ready soon"? Literally kekked at that.

You'll be undeniable when you pull what ETH and maybe some others have achieved, which is to establish major market share then successfully maintain and defend it.

>CL isn't the most awesomely positioned alt if you strip it of all the religion
It absolutely is.
Just to give one example: Swift is 12k banks; it's the absolute holy grail for crypto adoption.

>>52845512
>Anything short of sycophantic blunt pro-LINK marketing posts are seen as bearing ulterior motives
Yes, because virtually all anti-Link posting consists of the same carptetbombed fud spam we've been seeing for years.

When Link breaks into the top 3 where it belongs, then you can be hypercritical all you want.
Right now it's absolutely ludicrously undervalued, and should be treated as such.

>>52845690
>Schmidt is nothing
>Swift is nothing
>T-Systems, AP, Accuweather, ... are nothing

Even if true, it's more than 99.9999% of other cryptos have.

>>52845512
>i'm sharing my honest takes
You're obsessively posting angry fud and it makes zero difference to any of us that hold Link. Just shows you for being a dick kek

>>52841707
Man please seek help, it's saddening to read this blasphemous lunacy

>>52833183
Two more weeks

>>52845690
>You'll be undeniable when you pull what ETH and maybe some others have achieved, which is to establish major market share then successfully maintain and defend it.
T H E S T A N D A R D

Funny how quickly you show your colours though, fuddie, when pressured. You lot are as transparent as a pane of glass.
This entire post of yours is just baseless bullshit. No substance whatsoever. You have gone from 'I'm just an interested third party' to 'it's all SHIT' real fast. Again, nice and subtle, faggot.

Daily reminder that all the good Link chat and threads are on Twitter these days and you can fuck these fudders by using that instead. As soon as angry fud appears on Twitter Link threads, everyone just blocks the user and they have to go off and setup a new twitter account to be seen again. This is how you defeat the Linkfud-goblin. Most satisfying. Later, guys!

>>52845703
>>52845713
You've had 5 years to do all this shit already, all the while banging on about muh revolutionary world domination tech, muh 4chan biz are a sekrit klub, muh we will be the feudal lords of the NWO, muh Sergey will be on the cover of Forbes one day. You've accomplished nothing dozens of other projects haven't. You're at rank 23. You're at $6 after 5 years. Do you have any possible conception of what a bunch of raving fucking imbeciles you all sound like at this point or are you truly that insulated from reality?

>When Link breaks into the top 3 where it belongs
According to fucking YOU. The raving nutcases of biz and crypto who are literally bordering on mental illness hopelessly defending self-serving fantasies. LINK already was in the top 5. What happened? It plummeted of course because none of the vision you all proclaimed in 2017 has materialised in the slightest, the goals keep moving, and the clock ticks on and on and you all come up with increasingly more crackpot theories and accusations.

>>52845757
kek didn't read, can't sell. Go fud on reddit, nigger, nobody wants you here.

>>52845768
Poor baby

>>52845757
>>52845768
Oh, in fact, I am going to coinbase to buy 300 more Link right now because you don't want me to. Keep seething.

>>52845757
>You've accomplished nothing dozens of other projects haven't.
lol
Chainlink absolutely dominates the oracle space, and as such is the most adopted and used crypto in existence after maybe ETH and BTC.
More importantly, Chainlink is by far the closest to actually bringing crypto to mainstream finance, far closer than ETH or BTC or any crypto ever were.
it's time to stop posting.

>>52845744
I can't call them stupid fucking niggers on twitter.

>>52845778
Well, you would, given your masochist cuckold leanings.

>>52845780
>it's time to stop posting.
>16pbtid

>>52845790
I'm talking about my investment lol.
What are you doing, Mr. confirmed ID switcher?

>>52845757
>are you truly that insulated from reality?
well of course they are

>>52845777
>aaaaw poor baby
checked
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ajiZVkZib0A

>>52845790
You’ve been in this thread for 10 hours with multiple ID’s. kys faggot, you stick out like a sore thumb

>>52845790
How can you have the gall to continue posting under that ID when everyone has seen you go from
>I'm just an innocent, neutral bystander discussing Link as a investment
to frothing at the mouth, using charged violent language to described Link holders and generally coming across as mentally unstable, at least in regards to your enmity for Chainlink and its holders?
Any second now you'll start dude posting. You guys are all fucking insane. If we're so deluded and insane just leave us alone. You can't, can you? You hate us but you can't help yourself. You're fucking weird.

>>52845847
Which other ID's?
>are these multiple ID's in the room with us now?

>>52845804
>ID switcher
I love how you retards always obsess over shit like this as if it's a gotcha, like the site doesn't do it itself for many reasons, including when changing devices. I didn't script the website, dipshit.

I'll continue to remain in reality thanks and you can continue to blueball yourself with your rapture fantasies. In many respects the bear is an opportunity to reconsider. The team failing to deliver is actually an entirely fair assessment of why its price has significantly floundered and that's the starting point. All your other bullshit is your own business but you lot cannot keep up this rubbish world domination shit anymore because that window has closed and unless you're in it for the tech none of it matters to keen investors.

>>52835779
I do IT infra / operational risk management in banks - this nigga gets it. OP is a demon.

>>52845863
kek you just confirmed this is your ID as well.

Here are your other two confirmed ones: >>52844324 >>52845512

>>52845863
Nice try retard
>>52844324
>>52845465
>>52845512

>>52845757
>Chainlink has achieved nothing.
Are you brain dead?

>>52845867
>I love how you retards always obsess over shit like this as if it's a gotcha
I love how you obsess over IDs enough to fucking switch them in the first place.

>>52845882
He knows exactly what Link is and how much it has accomplished. He's a faggot who either swung and lost or doesn't want newfags to make it. I don't think he's a pajeet because he's clearly an Anglo with his patterns of speech, if I had to guess I'd say he's British or Australian.

>>52845860
The fuck are you talking about, cunt? I initially mentioned that I get the sneaking suspicion the LINK Lazarus moment is never happening. I believe that. I've followed it closely for years and lived through the crumbling hopes actually. That's not an "innocent bystander third party act" bullshit whatever the fuck you're babbling about, actually definitionally not a third party at all. I also mentioned how short of the mark LINK performance has been. The conversation kicked off because of the beyond retarded replies.

The question for you lot is how you can marry up these separate ideas that LINK has totally achieved heaps of things with the fact that it has deeply underperformed and failed to hold relevance and market share. If you're so on-track, why are you so off-track?

>>52845847
2 IDs. 4chan does that shit. Not my problem. Also not my problem the same threads stick around for so long because there are fucking 14 people left on biz. Of course you think this is yet again a gotcha. Pathetic.

>>52845867
Nothing but the cold hard reality will convince them. For their own sake (and because I hold some of this shit) I hope they are right but I doubt it.

People raving about institutions and banks buyings their bags is the most bearish thing I've keep reading. Didn't work for XRP, didn't work for the other 30 blockchains shilling it (Hedera, Algorand, etc...). They want to take your money, not give theirs to you.
Money in crypto comes from defi, chainlink should spend more on it because it's the only stuff that has generated ROI, meanwhile SWIFT has been pie in the sky stuff for more than 5 years now and they've done jackshit.

>>52845884
I used first person in my very first post with this ID responding to a reply to my earlier post with a different ID, you fucking braindead gorilla. I'm not obfuscating anything. The rest is your own made-up shit.

>>52845902
He’s not bad at avoiding the major issues discussed and seems to have experience with writing/ speaking.
It’s probably one of those two fags from Bancor/Carbon

>>52845953
>The question for you lot is how you can marry up these separate ideas that LINK has totally achieved heaps of things with the fact that it has deeply underperformed and failed to hold relevance and market share. If you're so on-track, why are you so off-track?
It front ran the market in speculation in 2019/20 and then died off as it became clear it wasn't ever as retard-friendly as dog coins and that the real meat of the project was years away from being implemented. It's essentially off-kilter with the rest of the market. It's not going to be speculative soon, though, fundamentals will bring the next major pump and it'll happen next year. You can only keep your bullshit up for so long before you are obviously wrong. Yeah Link's price action has been dogshit for a while now but it's not special in that regard. Onchain metrics tell a different story and the team are delivering. I know you don't like that but they are so get fucked lol.

>>52845744
the incessant fud has always been part of chainlink lore

>>52845512
>>52845546
>>52845690
I will never sell and I will continue to post about it here for YEARS. I will actually probably buy more. I will spam it on every thread just in hopes that you see it and seethe.

>>52845981
>>52845902
Never traded the link I bought in early 2018. While true I don't want newfags to make it before I do (kek), I have simply quite legitimately lost the faith and consider this bear market an opportunity to reconsider my positions. I don't know why people here are compelled to inject the most complicated possible conspiracies for posts.

>>52846024
To what degree if any have your expectations of LINK been tempered by the past 2 years? Have any positions changed and if so which? Because I have to say I'm as confused about your mentality as all you orangutans are about mine. At this point, I am confronted with the high likelihood this was a swing and a miss.

>>52833183
Sergei literally tells you he plans on developing chainlink and seeing it mature in 10-20 years…

I don’t know why you all obsess over it so much.

You guys are not delusional. But you’re going to be disappointed in how long you’re going to have to wait.

Buy chainlink for your kids.

Never selling wasn’t a meme.

Peace

>>52846058
>To what degree if any have your expectations of LINK been tempered by the past 2 years?
I've never been more bullish. I cannot for the life of me fathom how anyone who seeks information about Chainlink in good faith wouldn't attempt to attain a massive stack. I have done well out of it, sold some near the top, have a very low buy in average, and I'm still buying now. Anon, even if all the swift shit was untrue, I like crypto, Chainlink is a strong token with a good history, it has a strong and loyal base of holders, a VERY good team and they're not reckless and begging to be sued by the SEC. The chart says it's scraping the bottom and if it weren't for everything else shitting the bed it would have pumped hard recently. It's going to do well regardless, so I'm accumulating, but beyond that I am very, very excited for its future. It's the only game in town for Oracles and they're not just sitting on their hands and jerking each other off over what they've already achieved. They're busy. I can see that. I look at the top 20 and I see 18 tokens that Link is more important than for crypto RIGHT NOW, which is not withstanding Sergey's clear ambitions.
As I said before: if you're not fudding right now then I think you must be stupid. This is a very safe bet. Some people will see it has been declining for so long and be scared away but if you're that way inclined then you should just buy lottery tickets because that's not smart money. If it has fundamentals, and it's moving forward in, you WANT it to have declined so you get the best price, and the way I see it 7 dollars is day-light fucking robbery.

>>52845977
>admits to id switching
>"I'm not obfuscating anything"

You got caught samefagging the same way everyone gets caught samefagging.

>>52846091
Satoshi about bitcoin over the course of 100 years.

>>52846190
*talked

>>52846123
I bought 5 Link after this post.

>>52846187
You're honestly retarded, anon. I continued and referred to myself in the first person. There was no "switching". The ID just changed. Conversation continued. You're the only dumbass still stuck on this.

>>52846123
You've articulated your position, fine, but regarding:
>As I said before: if you're not fudding right now then I think you must be stupid.
I could say anyone who has not been humbled or reassessed after the last 2 years is also stupid or deluded. My horizons have broadened beyond crypto anyway. Let's not lose sight of the absurd expectations established in 2017. Outside of LINK, macro must improve and the crypto space must recover. LINK was supposed to be immune in its own way from these forces by being undeniable, but it isn't and has not achieved anything undeniable (because it's at rank 23 - that's my gauge because it's why we're here).

>>52846281
>There was no "switching". The ID just changed.

KEK

>>52845757
>It plummeted of course because none of the vision you all proclaimed in 2017 has materialised in the slightes
lel thats bullshit, chainlink is declining because it has a shit culture and it makes no money. The only money it makes is off retards on 4chan through the marketing swindlers in here who you braindead rank and file neets have mistaken as brothers..
Chainlink nodes are a stupid, bullshit business model which sacrificed open systems for a byzantine club over a year ago. This board is all that remains of their order now...

>>52846281
Dude stop, I literally just bought more Link due to how horrendous your fudding was and because that other anon BTFO’d you so hard. Not only if your fud not working it’s literally having an opposite effect. Now unless you want me to buy even more. You’ll fuck right off.

>>52846281
>but it isn't and has not achieved anything undeniable
It is undeniably the standard Oracle service. I would love it to be 1000 dollays EOY too but that's not how I decide how to invest. I can stay solvent longer than the market can stay irrational. Finance is replete with stocks, shared, businesses, projects, whatever, that get slept on for absurdly long times even though it's obvious to some that it's clearly the next big thing. This is where I believe Link is. It's more attractive if anything because it's got more room to expand than BNB or ETH. On your point about crypto being dead af, yeah it is, but this is where all the money is actually made. If you only by on the way up you'll barely make anything and you'll struggle to sell in time as you'll not have been invested as long and thus psychologically will struggle to let go on your recent purchases. People who buy early tend to sell early, if anything. This won't be much of an issue with me as far as Chainlink goes as I intend to stake much of what I have accumulated recently anyway.
We did have absurd expectations but if you didn't sell because any that's on you, not the team. They have never talked about price. I have been humbled, as much as a man who made a shitload of money and is still way up after cashing out his initial multiple times can be humbled. As for reassessment, I reassess with each major happening, the latest being staking which filled incredibly quickly, before that we have Smartcon which is was very happy with. I don't see why anyone would be concerned, honestly.
You seem to think you were treated harshly earlier, for my part in that I would apologise if you are in fact being completely sincere, however I don't think it's unreasonable to be defensive or overly suspicious. You'd have to be blind not to see how no other token catches as much flak and no other holders are so maligned. Please don't attempt to gaslight us with 'take your meds' bullshit, the paid fud is obvious.

>>52846123
I agree the team has definitely been building and expanding with the best devs in the whole world. It's just delusional to think that next year the whole banking world will be using chainlink. I hope we get back to $50 in 2025 then the 5% apr would be nice passive income. There will be better lowcaps to swing meanwhile

>>52846459
You'll have to forgive my dogshit spelling and grammar in this, I've been up for 2 days. I'm going to bed.

>>52836164
> posts that blackpill you on human quality

>>52836587
i get a similar feeling

>>52846314
>something cannot change without being manually switched
okayretard.jpg

>>52846358
This headcanon that I'm here to influence anyone to do anything is a game you plebs play. Nothing to do with me.

>>52846459
>>52846482
I don't really mind, anon. Everyone here exaggerates for a reaction. There's just no need for theories to go nuclear. Convos here get needlessly abstract quickly. Read your post and I do understand the position. My outlook has changed and my sell point has come way down. The past 2 years made me realise the world of alternative opportunity besides LINK that I think many here still haven't awoken to. CL should be further along than it is. We can go back and forth on the rest but that is true.

>2018 poc which gave birth to nothing
>iso 20022: no mention of chainlink whatsoever
nice larp OP. also work on your photoshop skills

>>52846562
I’m going to give you a sincere reply since you’ve been real with others, it’s a 2 part question, are you judging chainlink as an overall asset, or it’s place in crypto? If the first, then absolutely there’s massive question marks and it’s an extremely risky play. Suggesting otherwise is delusional, it’s that very risk that gives it potential for price appreciation after all. As for the second, it’s massively undervalued with respect to the rest of the market, and using “market share” as an objective measure in crypto when the market is in its infancy and scams like shiba inu still rank in the top 20 is utter nonsense. If crypto as a market grows up and values fundamentals, chainlink wins. If it spends another cycle playing in the scammers sandbox, you’ll at least get another chance to swing link. The only scenario link loses is if all of crypto goes into an extended bear market and skips the next cycle, but this isn’t a link exclusive phenomenon, and is still a long term bullish scenario for link with respect to other crypto, but would obviously make anons who expected eth like returns in their youth want to kill themselves.

>>52846562
It's extremely obvious that you're that 30 pbtid fudder using God knows how many IDs to keep the post count down.

>>52846684
>As for the second, it’s massively undervalued with respect to the rest of the market
Exactly.
Regardless of whether you believe in crypto or not, it should be clear that Chainlink should be in the top 3 right now; whether the total crypto market cap is $5 trillion or $50.

This is also why fudders always fall back on "Chainlink bad because all of crypto/Defi bad" if you interact with them long enough. There's genuinely no way they can deny how undervalued it is compared to the rest of crypto, so they have to shit on the entire market to make Link look bad.

>>52845757
Literally just made my mind up to purchase more, thanks anon.

>>52840994
>>52840915

No you are being a faggot and obviously mocking Christ.

You need serious help

>>52841770
>>52841770
>>52841707
>>52841578
>>52840994
>>52840915
>>52840500
>>52840300
>>52840133


This is dude is almost definitely organized from a discord

He thinks he is funny and is mocking me and religion because I told people on the day of staking to consider not going full retard with it.

When people asked why I cared I told them this

>>52761524

Its an attempt to mock and push people away from Christ and those who follow him.

I guess Cult of the Black Cube isn't fond of this sentiment on the boards. kek

>>52846684
Both and I've heard that line thrown around before. In any case, I wouldn't be saying all this if I would've taken profit on the two occasions I seriously considered it and didn't. That is important, but does not bear on the decision now to persist or not. Beyond outright implosion I don't think anything more could've happened the past few years that would make a clearer invitation to reconsider. The complete demolition of market share over the past 2 years has been pathetic and would not have been if the proposition were undeniable. That's the market telling us something. Maybe the prospective r/r you could argue has improved, but its recent history has been shit and with staking in its initial concept still not out -- firstly that's a pisspoor effort in my estimation -- it should not be as risky a hold as it still is if 2017's expectations actually came to bear.

>>52846892
I think you're the only one with any clue what you're on about but tell yourself whatever bs you want, dopey.

>>52847796
>I think you're the only one with any clue what you're on about
Thank you.