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P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shutdown/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. When P2Pool reaches 51% of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL DIRECTLY FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET!

If you have a PC or laptop:

1. Download Monero GUI
https://i.imgur.com/ZGefPef.png

2. Pick 'Advanced' mode
https://i.imgur.com/4c0uSE4.png

3. Set up your wallet
https://i.imgur.com/4lMKh00.png

4. Keep the default Daemon settings "Start a node automatically in the background"
https://i.imgur.com/maACmmT.png

5. Once sync'd, go to Advanced->Mining and pick 'P2Pool'. If you have a laptop or low-end PC (~50 kH/s) pick "Mini" pool, else pick "Main"
https://i.imgur.com/E60JeMG.png


>YOU CAN USE P2POOL-COMPATIBLE REMOTE NODES IF YOU DO NOT HAVE YOUR OWN LOCAL COPY OF THE BLOCKCHAIN
https://xmrvsbeast.com/p2pool/monero_nodes.html


OTHERWISE SWITCH TO A SMALLER POOL, IT TAKES YOU 30 SECONDS AND YOU CAN JUST SOURCE A DIFFERENT CONFIG FILE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FUCK UP YOUR EXISTING ONE.

Many inexperienced miners think that big pools give better profits which is not the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****


Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://monero.com/marketplace
https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/
https://acceptedhere.io/catalog/currency/xmr/

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (currently US only)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>AlphaBay
>Archetyp
>Asur Market
>Chimera Market #
>Cloud Market #
>Dark Matter #
>Darkmoon #
>FilthyFellas
>Mellow Market #
>Retro Market #
Onion links: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/fs7ax


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Kilos
>Majestic Bank
>Elude
>Infinity Project
https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/8cunb


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Poker Club: play no-limit Texas Hold'em in real time with 2-8 players over the safety of Tor with the privacy of Monero! No user account required.
http://pokerggxmrvzecuo6afhucjwdljuve5eoavxdxdr6zedyejd6mvz5wad.onion

>XMR Poker
http://xmrpoker3icphjr7c6dgct3by44ph4xvxrds4jzwjkjh7h2owdf6icyd.onion


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

>The irrational exuberance of cryptocurrency investors

Irrational exuberance is characterized as a hype-fueled mania that causes investors to massively overestimate an asset's real-world value. In this delusional state, investors tend to become so smitten with expectations of greater profits that they disregard the assets’ potentially weak fundamentals and drink the proverbial Kool-Aid.

This then leads to them recklessly and repeatedly buying into whatever asset is currently rising in the charts, thereby triggering and/or sustaining an asset bubble. This bubble is kept inflated solely by the mass delusion that the market price is justified and will only keep going up in future, effectively becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. Note that bubbles can last for years, especially in an age of easy investor on-boarding. However, when history inevitably repeats and the bubble bursts that optimism invariably turns into panic as the asset crashes back down to its real-world value.

In finance, the "greater fool theory" suggests that one can sometimes make money through the purchase of overvalued assets—items with a purchase price drastically exceeding the intrinsic value—if those assets can later be resold at an even higher price.

In this context, one "fool" might pay for an overpriced asset, hoping that he can sell it to an even "greater fool" and make a profit. This only works as long as there are enough new "greater fools" willing to pay higher and higher prices for the asset. Eventually, investors can no longer deny that the price is out of touch with reality, at which point a sell-off can cause the price to drop significantly until it is closer to its fair value, which in some cases could be zero.

This effect is often further exacerbated by herd mentality, whereby people hear stories of others who bought in early and made big profits, causing those who did not buy to feel a fear of missing out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g

>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total Bitcoin = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings Bitcoin would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per Bitcoin and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL.

And that’s assuming energy costs do not increase at all over the next 120 years, which they will.

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

REMINDER TO MINE ON P2POOL MINI
>REMINDER TO MINE ON P2POOL MINI
REMINDER TO MINE ON P2POOL MINI
>REMINDER TO MINE ON P2POOL MINI

Hello Monerochads. Reminder to mine on P2Pool Mini (if you have a regular computer/laptop/CPU it's recommanded).
You will receive daily bits of XMR and will help the network decentralization.
It's easy to set up. Don't be afraid to start mining on p2pool. By following any of the first 3 tutorials you'll be able to mine within 10 minutes max (even though real Monero chads mine with a local full or pruned node so it takes longer to set up)

Basically to mine on P2Pool Mini you need:
>a local full or puned monero node, or being connect to a remote node
>a monero adress used only for mining
>p2pool (just decompress a zip)
>xmrig or any other miner (just decompress a zip)

Here are important ressources to start:

1) Video tutorial with the GUi (Linux/Windows) -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbxbRu-2GWI

2) Tutorial for Windows with/without the GUI and a simple script to launch everything once it's set up -> https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/8zews [RECOMMENDED FOR WINDOWS USERS]

3) P2Pool Get started FAQ (for P2Pool Mini also read the above tutorial and don't forget to add a mini_config.json file in p2pool folder) -> https://p2pool.io/#help

4) Monero Bash for linux users -> https://github.com/hinto-janaiyo/monero-bash

Other ressources:

5) Remote P2Pool nodes -> https://xmrvsbeast.com/p2pool/monero_nodes.html

6) You can calculate your estimated shares/day here -> https://mini.p2pool.observer/calculate-share-time

7) P2Pool Mini observer: https://mini.p2pool.observer

>>52817763
humongously based

Soon.

Selling riseup invites along with cock li invites for XMR
Riseup - 0.17
Cock - 0.035

We need anime girls as the thread OP not this shit

>>52817977

Hookers & blow are the future.

How do I profit from XMR?

>>52817752
How does a node know if someone actually has the monero they claim to have when they send some?

>>52818051
>>How does a node know if someone actually has the monero they claim to have when they send some?

https://monerodocs.org/cryptography/asymmetric/key-image/

>>52818066
>https://monerodocs.org/cryptography/asymmetric/key-image/
can you explain the math behind the key image hash function specifically ?

>>52818105

https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/4576/how-do-key-images-really-work

>>52817977
Grow up, hookers and blow are out there. Anime is juvenilia not fit for well adjusted men.

Anything that isn't PoW is a scam.
Anything that isn't ASIC resistant is a scam.

Can someone explain to me how lending to a CEX is helping them short?

>>52817752
Monero is dumb and won't survive until the next bull cycle despite the cultists on this site
> Ring signatures is an inferior technology, zk-snarks are years ahead. AI will easily break monero's privacy in the near future
> No smart contracts whatsoever. It's even dumber than BTC since you can't even do multisig or timelocks properly, which means you can't even implement an escrow
> Chain grows exponentially. This isn't a problem now, but in a few years you'll need entire datacenters to store the Monero blockchain and it will take a few days to sync up your wallet. Monero just doesn't scale.
> PoW is dumb and leads to centralization. ASICs are inevitable and Monero needs to hard fork to stay ahead of them. Most of Monero is mined by botnets. Monero is making no attempt to explore PoS
> Tail emissions. It's an inflationary coin, no matter how you are trying to spin it. The amount of XMR grows with time, thus it is inflationary.

>>52818190

Based undercover MoneroChad fudding for cheapies.

>>52818190
>AI will easily break monero's privacy in the near future
what is it with midwits and having no clue how statistics is applied but then blindly making shit up because they feel it's true? "Can't we just add blockchain to this?" "Does this have AI? I think this product would be better with AI!" you are fucking retarded.

>>52818245
>Based undercover MoneroChad fudding for cheapies.
To be honest I've thought about this as well. The truth is though that Monero isn't currently undervalued at all, think about it, there aren't many transactions you can use Monero for, the issue is that EVERYTHING ELSE is overvalued to shit. Bitcoin does nothing to warrant it's 16k price figure because fucking nobody accepts it.

>>52818262
Where I'm going with this is that I don't want to see Monero moon because it will create distrust when it inevitably dumps to a reasonable price point. Bitcoin is going to pop, it does not belong at such a high price point and neither do any of the other cryptocurrencies, and when it does it will never be trusted again. I would not like Monero to suffer the same fate. It would be preferable if it kept rising slowly as more genuine demand for it occurs (speculation is not genuine demand)

When are we getting rich lads?

>>52818291
tomorrow

>>52818298
>tomorrow

Next Thursday actually.

>>52818315
true if big

Reporting in,
fuck Bitcoin.

MyNero 0.4.1.1 is now available, now with an official I2P node.

Mobile wallet with coin control and I2P support.

https://mynero.net

http://mynero.i2p

>>52818190
I know this is bait but
>blockchain size
Bitcoin blockchain double the size of Monero and there's only a 5 year timegap between Monero and bitcoin. Bitcoin's blockchain growth rate is 33GB per year while Monero's is 18GB per year on average. And that difference in number of transactions doesn't even offset the double fucking blockchain size of bitcoin.
>PoW dumb
suck my dick
>most of monero botnets
p2pool is a thing nigger
>inflationary
Gold is inflationary and is still very valuable. Monero's inflation is less than gold.

>>52817959
RISEUP Invites ARE LIMITED TIME. THEY WILL EXPIRE SOON SO BUY NOW.

>>52817977
alright, here (You) go...

>>52819043
aah tummy aaaaaaaaaaah wan lick lick lick lick lick

>>52818740
Re: blockchain size
Monero blocks don't have a size limit and transactions are way larger due to the ring signatures. Monero scaling is much worse than Bitcoin and you are getting away with it ONLY because nobody uses Monero compared to BTC.
Won't address your other points since it's the usual debates we are having in those generals.

>>52819043
Fuck off with the pedo shit.

>>52819399
kys hag enabler

bitshit is finished

>>52817752
look’s like it could have been this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seoul_Halloween_crowd_crush

>>52819337
>Monero blocks don't have a size limit
Monero blocks do infact have a size limit. The maximum size of one block would be 2*median size of last 100 blocks. Good luck creating 100 big fucking blocks.

Is zcash still getting spammed with huge transactions for few dollars a month?

>>52819541
p2pool TOR remote nodes list

p2pool TOR remote nodes list?

>>52819337
Monero blocks have a limit. Not to mention that large enough blocks have negative reward and are only possible though burning fees.
Monero is also capible of payment channels- literally any cryptocurrency with multisig is.

>>52818557
Fuck CBDC coin and all of its bag holding supporters.

MONEROMARKET.IO

What happened to OP pic?

>>52818118
does anyone know what the guy in the pic is holding?

>>52818180
Simple answer: All loans are just shorts with extra steps. You borrow/short currencies if you have reason to believe the price will drop(i.e taking out a 30 year mortgage if you think the government will turn the money printer on and deficit spend), thus making it easier to pay back the loan for cheaper

>>52820649
USB sticks of some kind.

>>52820649
A camera.

>>52817839
Thanks now it works, will try to sync up my own node nonetheless.

>>52818291
if you have a roof on top of your head and if you had a warm dinner then you're already rich.

>>52821965
gb2reddit
He means rich as in rich rich not rich as in relative to poor people with literally nothing except clothes and syringes

gm. here with cockli invites

>>52822245
for free

What was OP image? Too sexy?

>>52822291
That’s very generous

>>52822297
>What was OP image? Too sexy?

Hardly. Jannies are killjoys.

>>52821995
wishful thinking will never make anyone wealthy. might as well buy a lottery ticket.

>>52821965
this desu
be thankful for what you already have
Happy Sunday Everyone!

>>52822245
> he will never have the riseup invites
Still have 1 riseup left in stock
Limited time sale: 0.17 XMR

>>52822245
>>52822291
pls explain this
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/cock-li-e-mail-server-seized-by-german-authorities-admin-announces/
as it is bery concerning...

>>52822651
How big is your nose?
How can you charge for something like that to a fellow xmr enthusiasts?

>>52822669
>12/21/2015
7 years old, damn.

>>52822675
Earning money as a student is helluva drug
I don't own any real life money anyway so I wouldn't be able to buy XMR the normal way anyway. I'll get an SSD and setup a node from the money if that offers any consolation.

>>52822698
>Earning money as a student is helluva drug
My condolences, I was a student until 6 months ago in a dogshit country.
I still don't have much money but atleast something to slowly build a stack.

>>52822692
https://cock.li/transparency/warrant-canary.txt
>02-Dec-2022
:|

>>52822930
Brother, have you even read the sentence at the end
>This canary should be updated on the first of every month, but due to laziness could be delayed by up to a week.
I know you are trolling but be better in trolling, this is weak af

>>52822669
what the fuck do you want me to explain? use cock.li as a throwaway / pseudanon email service, not for irl / incriminating use, at least, without protection

What’s a cheap international shipping service?

>>52820277
yeah, what offended the jannie?
>>52820649
>>52821315
>>52821611
authenticator keys

lol maxipads want to attack the Monero network to boost LN adoption.

https://twitter.com/fiatjaf/status/1601904595936100353

>>52823569
>yeah, what offended the jannie?

Can I reduce number of inputs?
How do I check how many inputs a tx will use before sending
Can I check how much monero is left in a particular input?
Also if I sent all my monero to myself, would it be worth it for making future transactions have lower size, i.e. lower fees
I use the cli client

>>52823593
Yeah, we were already aware of that guy since he was asking for funding to try and attack the XMR network or something. I made a post about it a few months ago I think, his email is dead simple and I managed to find some password hashes in a data breach that were associated with him, the passwords were dumb shit like kamikaze, KAMIKAZE11, and humbug.

He seems like a genuine idiot, I'm hoping someone with more time on their hands decides to hack his shit, then maybe charge him Monero to return the accounts because that would be hilarious

>>52820277
I think it was a 3dpig

>>52821965
true

>>52823630
Looking through his twitter I would say he is a troll. Mentioning that he has those kinds of passwords, he should probably start wearing that blue cap.
>Be patient with me, I have autism

>>52823924
>>52823630
Is this the same guy who roughly two weeks ago claimed to be able to deanonymize the chain by exploiting a sooper sekrit bug in remote nodes?

>>52817752
Monerochads, will the Seraphis upgrade be the catalyst for climbing higher on the coinmarketcap chart? As it is right now, Monero is great and should be way higher, but apparently multisig is busted, which prevents institutional investment. Are Seraphis and a functional L2 (LN is not functional) the key to victory?

>>52825028
>multisig is busted
fixed. rino.io put a bounty to have it fixed.

>>52825028
>institutional investment.

Institutional investment is a meme, Monero isn't ever going to be attractive to mainstream finance, and that's a GOOD thing.

The shadow economy is where its really at.

>>52825085
That's excellent news.
>>52825130
Promotion of XMR by state actors could be used to undermine the US regime. With a multi-polar world order coming into view, I could see XMR getting more institutional support from places outside the US.

>>52825028
>prevents institutional investment
Go away.

are we ever going back to top 10?

>>52825364
the question is when

also the thought that the government doesn't need monero is completely false, they need to pay glowies for blackops, they need to make international illegal deals, glowies might need it as much or even more than the common man

>>52825364
>are we ever going back to top 10?

>>52825028
>but apparently multisig is busted, which prevents institutional investment
Monero is avoided by institutional investors because:
>1. it's an altcoin
>2. is perceived to be only useful to criminals (watch the John Oliver segment on monero)
>3. because of reason no. 2, there's a risk that regulations will cause delistings and/or become entirely sanctioned like tornado cash
>4. lackluster price action likely due to exchanges like Binance and Poloniex selling paper monero and preventing withdrawals
>5. the rest of the FUD we've already heard a million times. Muh auditability, muh scaling, muh infinite inflation, muh ciphertrace, yada yada yada
Monero will never get institutional investors the likes of which bitcoin and ethereum have. That being said, monero will definitely be attractive to rich investors and politicians who need a new and better way to launder their money and hide their wealth.

>>52825364
We're #4 on the list that matters.

>>52825466
>also the thought that the government doesn't need monero is completely false, they need to pay glowies for blackops, they need to make international illegal deals, glowies might need it as much or even more than the common man

Yeah, but that is cloak & dagger shit, not mainstream finance.

>>52825521
Cypherpunk holdings in Canada did hold monero. They sold it because they lost money and their investors in their latest conference call demanded they invest in profitable ventures. Monero not being one of them.

This public info btw

>>52825687
Baggies silent lol

"The increase in bitcoin holdings is a result of the full liquidation of positions in monero (XMR) and ethereum (ETH), as well as the partial use of proceeds from a private placement of $505,000 CAD that closed on August 27th, 2020."

XXX will I make it

>>52825189
You guys are delusional

>>52823624
please halp

>>52825641
illegal deals are bigger than legal deals

>>52825723
XXX will surely make it

I'd like to believe that some XX is able to make it aswell, when crime market fully discoveres xmr.

>>52826902
more things will be made illegal thus making monero more necessary for normal life, this will continue until the dam bursts

meat rations, a return to soviet policies, the parallel economy will function alongside the regular pozzed economy, and inevitably the monero chads will win, unless they want to shut down the internet worldwide, which I want to say is highly unlikely

>>52827093
also we could win much sooner than that as well, we might not even revert to true soviet era hardship, monero could win before that point

>>52817752

>>52825028
multisig was fixed last time I checked.

>>52823624
>>52825810
>Can I reduce number of inputs?
No. You haven't been able to do this for years since people kept deanonymizing themselves by setting 42069 inputs

>How do I check how many inputs a tx will use before sending
Afaik you can't. It's set at (current ring size, which is 16 as of today), and you can verify this with a block explore

>Can I check how much monero is left in a particular input?
Someone more informed than me is going to have to answer this
>Also if I sent all my monero to myself, would it be worth it for making future transactions have lower size, i.e. lower fees
You can't change the size, so no.

>I use the cli client
You might want to update it since most of these questions would only apply to monero pre-2017ish

Someone else can correct me, i'm no authority on this shit.

>>52817752
Holy shit look at it mooning in sats and gwei
Why they fuck did i try to swing half?
A year ago it bottomed and i made a lot of monero threads and now i have sold almost half
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Is XMR going to dump a lot when it gets banned then moon?

>>52829152
Well aren't you just precious

Parker is a jannie

>>52828674
>betting against Monerochan

Today I bought 1.2 ETH and 2.9 XMR.

Did I do good fellas? I'm thinking from here on out investing about $300 per week onto XMR (I can afford it, don't have to pay rent and have a stable job and this is an amount that won't affect me).

>>52825709
They sold all their crypto half a year ago you retarded faggot https://cypherpunkholdings.com/cypherpunk-holdings-corp-update-june2022/
In any case you would have to be retarded to hold btc over xmr, price action aside (pic related) the overall utility of Monero btfos Bitcoin

>>52823624
>>52823624
CLI chad reporting in.
>Can I reduce number of inputs?
>How do I check how many inputs a tx will use before sending
Firstly, you are conflating "inputs and outputs". It's confusing but basically you wallet consists of "unspent outputs" and you then use them as an "input" (surrounded by 15 decoy inputs for each ring signature) which then turn into stealth addresses (or the outputs which later get sent to the individuals receiving Monero...which are the previously mentioned unspent outputs). To make this easier, I will just refer to each Monero transaction you receive as a "transaction".
The amount of inputs when you send Monero to somebody else, or ring signatures you use, depends on two things.
1. The amount of XMR you are sending.
2. Whatever transactions your wallet decides to send (this is dependent on code to maximize randomness).
>Can I check how much monero is left in a particular [transaction]?
When you use a transaction, you send the entire amount and receive back whatever is left in a brand new transaction (which contains a brand new pub key, tx id, and key image, etc)
If you want to see a list of your transactions you have received, use this command:
incoming_transfers verbose
This will provide you with a list of all of your transactions, when you received them, how much you received, and the key image.

If you would like to use a particular transaction in your wallet, note the key image associated with it from the aforementioned command, and then run this command:
sweep_single <key_image> <address>
This will basically send the transaction for the selected image to whatever address you want to send Monero to, and you will get back a new transaction with whatever amounts of Monero were left over.

Additionally you can freeze or thaw transactions if you want using the key images. If you freeze a transaction, they won't be randomly selected by your wallet until you thaw them.

>>52823624
>>52829722
cont.
>Also if I sent all my monero to myself, would it be worth it for making future transactions
You can consolidate all the transactions into one transaction with the sweep_all command.
The problem with this, however, is that whenever you send Monero in the future, you will then have to wait ~20 minutes before you can spend your balance again.
The good news is that you can then slowly divide the large transaction into smaller transactions. For example:
step one: sweep_all (now you have one transaction)
step two: sent 5% of funds to yourself. This freezes your entire balance but now you have one transaction with 95% and one transaction with 5%.
step three: freeze the 5%
Step for: send another 5% to yourself from the large transaction
etc.
>have lower size, i.e. lower fees
size and fees is dependent on the number of ring signatures you have in a transaction.

>>52829152
demand for xmr should moon, because supply will be more stagnant, people would only be willing to sell for a bigger incentive if it becomes illegal

>>52829789
>>52829722
>>52823624
WARNING STOP STOP
sweep_* commands do NOT return change. When you sweep an output you send the whole thing. A regular transfer will try to choose an output that can be used singular if the amount is equal or less. The more you send the more outputs it will need to use to make up the amount. To see outputs use "incoming_transfers available verbose".

>>52830172
That's why you send it to yourself retard.

>>52830172
you are correct. I was wrong with my wording regarding the single sweep in >>52829722 post. Only sweep to yourself.
if you are using single sweep you are sending the entire amount of that transaction. I emphasized this in my follow up post with the freezing and thawing if you are concerned about sending specific inputs.
sorry, I was being retarded. Thanks for clarifying anon.

we're absolutely crushing bitshit

how many times did I tell them that .0037 was the bottom, it had to be hundreds of times

>>52830216
>how many times did I tell them that .0037 was the bottom, it had to be hundreds of times
Why do you care about layered eyed people?

>>52830207
no problem just didnt want the noob to do something wrong and fuck up. i didnt read it all.

>>52830261
it's just gloating, I know there are faggots out there right now who saw my posts and said, I'll hold bitshit, I was making daily threads that 0.0037 was the bottom and you should convert your bitshit

>>52830288
0.0037 was bottom and 0.009 is the top

Stop buying please

>>52830316
no tops, infinity is the top because bitshit will be forgotten in 20 years

>>52830548
chad king

>>52830548
Why the fuck would you ever wear this? I like monero but really man? This isn't Shibaelonmoonbux. Wearing shit like this makes us look like losers.

>>52830966
I'm more concerned about the privacy aspect than being called a loser, feds could be anywhere

>>52829789
>size and fees is dependent on the number of ring signatures you have in a transaction.
Usually, when a guy sends XMR to me, his TX size is always 1.5KB, while mine are >2KB. I checked the JSON version the transactions on xmrchain, and there are two elements in the "vin" field for me, while there is only one in his transactions.

>>52831370
So two inputs, or two ring signatures?
Look at the block explorer for each of your transactions and compare the amount of inputs and outputs you have for each of them.
I'd you generally have a lot of inputs that means you likely have a lot of separate uxtos in your wallet. Fees are so low this doesn't really matter.

Observing the current state of things where Binance and Coinbase are both getting ""audits"" (actually assurances) done by a company that has been repeatedly criticized by regulars for being unacceptably bad at auditing has convinced me more than ever that the paper Monero stuff is real. When Binance collapses in a year everyone will wonder why they didn't see it coming when they were constantly staring blocked withdrawal notices in the face.

>>52833724
How do you hide you don't have enough balance on public ledger?
Do they constantly create new addresses?
>achtually we always had these magical wallets
Or some bullshit like that?
>paper Monero stuff is real
If it wasn't real, there wouldn't be "maintenance" and "network issues" every single fucking day.

Will XXX really make it? Even if it's low end XXX?

I'm close to that level myself and I refuse to believe I'll make it.

>>52834277
Just don't panic when you see large numbers moving around. It's still a long road but YGMI

>>52833724
Speak of the devil...
https://decrypt.co/116958/former-sec-regulator-binances-proof-reserves-audit-how-i-define-red-flag

https://mishtalk.com/economics/binances-alleged-crypto-audit-failed-not-even-its-auditor-would-vouch-for-it

The XMR/BTC ratio is at .0088 right now. When it crosses above .0091 it will put every single person who has bought Monero in the last 2 years in profit against Bitcoin, including people who bought the absolute top of the last bull run.

When ratio passes .0118 that will put every single person who has bought XMR over the past almost 4 years in profit against Bitcoin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fhy8o7ufi8

>>52834829
Why would anyone care? monero and the rest of crypto isn't a real investment

>>52834888
>Why would anyone care?
Trying to goad Tone Vays and Jimmy Song into killing themselves seems like a worthwhile goal.

>>52825739
Tesla man shilling doge was equally delusional in 2015. Why shouldn't some piss poor African, central Asian or south American countries/regions shill XMR?

>>52834913
>tone vays

breaking down that livestream point-by-point was the single most mentally exhausting thing I did all year. It looks like that comment of the breakdown got deleted, though.

>>52835274

SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM

How insolvent is traditional finance? Is this bullish for monero?

>>52834888
it's an investment, just not monetary

Due to how often Binance blocks XMR withdrawals I feel the demand is a lot higher than they let on. I already felt this way back when Monero was 400 euros. When trading moneros it feels like there is so few offering. Even a small trade causes the price to move. And the general consensus is that the coin just werks. Yet the price seems unnaturally low.

>>52817772
Isn't it shit to mine like 50 cents per 24/h bad on CPU?

>>52836972
If you don't mind the noise, then you can heat your room this way therefore it is literally free money.

>>52836938
XMR isn't unnaturally low, everything else is unnaturally high. We tend to keep the moonfags at bay, while other coins rely on them to exist

>>52837011
You aren't gonna heat your room from CPU mining are you, and Monero GUI does not support GPU mining.

The "free heater" meme comes from actual setups with 6+ SLI GPU

>>52837462
you definitely heat small rooms though, not your full house

>>52817959
You are gay. Stop shitting up the board.

>>52818864
Lol that won't convince me to buy one.

>>52834829
Me and fellow chads who were buying and also converting bitshit to monero during these times

I salute you, may the pumps be joyous

>>52837450
Monero is certainly unnaturally low, when big investment firms realize fraud is easier with monero, then it will be number 1

Is there a way I can use Monero to make Bitcoin payments through a service?

>>52839459

Use this and select "Payment"

https://trocador.app/en/

Monero was started as a scam and is controlled by 2 guys in their moms basement.

Bitcoin and lightning is superior.

>>52839647
>>>>>>Lightning
lol
lmao even

The only viable holds right now
>XMR
>BIT
>ETH

>>52834829

Bitcoin is the unit of account not dollars noob.

>>52839656

I know you have never used it and have alt coin bags to shill but you should try harder, the incoming noobs you are trying to scam aren’t going to be impressed

>>52839689
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g

Lightning is literally a central banker trick and you fell for it.
I know, no matter what you hear you will find some mental wormhole through which you can view me as wrong and yourself as correct, because that's just how the human mind copes, but consider that even people wrapped up in pyramid schemes were pitched the business model MANY times and didn't manage to put 2 and 2 together. Smart, honest people who got taken for a ride because some bastard managed to keep their eyes off of the real story. It happens every day.

>>52839647
>Bitcoin and lightning is superior.

lol BTC + LN is DOA on the DNMs.

Do you know of a monero accepted anonymous vps service that you would recommend? I suppose it can only be so anonymous if I connect to it with bare ip but I still want one to play with.

>>52839647
saving this lmao

>>52838564
SBF didn't need Monero, he launched a shitcoin that uses ringct

>>52840412
Mullvad

>>52841126
I'm pretty sure they tracked his funds, and also, everyone needs monero, if they are too stupid to realize this yet then that's too bad

you simply don't know if sbf has monero or not, so also you're dumb as shit

>>52840412
Cryptostorm and Mullvad take XMR

>>52817763
based
fuck bailout bucks from the money printers

>>52817927
what is this?
>>52818008
No. jews can't collect income tax on an anonymous currency that they can't spy on people transactions. then steal ure money and give endless handouts to nigger pets to destroy white civilizations

monero replaces bitcoin and us petrol dollar
Monero is replacing Bitcoin Jews can't collect income tax on XMR fuck niggers who just get endless bailout bucks off of the whitemans back due to jewish bailout bucks being printed endlessly.

fuck ure hookers and blow mentality get roped

>>52825189
it is in north korea. also with the mexican mafia and the italian mafia. so i see the mexican government and the italian goverment saddling up to monero some what because their politicians are taking bribes in it. many usa politicians are also accepting the "grift" in forms of monero.

more ppl are realizing u can't keep ure money safe in a bailout bucks bank.

>>52836541
yup. the housing market is tied to the stock market. so they have to inflate housing prices so that these pensions can be paid back.

funny thing is they are printing so much money these peoples pensions aren't going to buy them a damn corn chip!

due to human nature the money printing always gets outta control because jews control the bailout bucks.

>>52839600
>FungibilityEnthusiasts
i can dig it

>>52841595
>>52841636
>>52841680
>>52841697
we're in an insane time, will we see shoveling of us dollars in the streets like weimar within the next 20 years

my boomer parents and grandparents worked their whole lives and I'm pretty sure all their money is in dollars and 401k for the most part

it seems like for any realistic ecommerce monero is the only way for it to function

obviously gold and silver are less mobile

>>52841758
notice how no one was failing at business during covid. jews printing money endlessly. this isn't capitalism it is communism with rigged markets left and right and work force programs that jews use to enslave non jews.

now they printed so many bailout bucks thety have in some respect become worthless because the cost of goods outpaces peoples wages.

so it doesn't make sense to work work work for jewish bailout bucks while the cost of goods rises. it created a parallel economy and monero is what people are using for money for that.

niggers won't get handouts now :) cause jews can't income tax with monero LOL

jews big mad

>>52841784
we still have yet to see the long term effects from the printing they have done, and obviously it won't stop

>>52841244
>>52841267
Aren't those KYC?

>>52841926
>Aren't those KYC?
Mullvad not only isn't KYC, they even stopped accepting monthly payment plans so that it's not even possible to collect payment history data from. They're privacy maximalists and allow you to pay in Monero but even envelopes stuffed with cash.

Between the USA about to define all PoS coins as securities and Bitcoin being a public blockchain totally compatible with the technological slavery system, everything seems like it’s coming up Monero in the next few years.

I’m a new convert. I had 0 XMR not long ago and will be entering XXX territory in the coming days.

I don’t even want to think about what sort of price action is coming, because I honestly think it’s BTC tier. I just heard a report that the digital Yuan will have an expiration date. The entire opposition to CBDC, slavery, oppression and climate tax regimes all coming to a SINGLE COIN all at once. It’s crazy to think about. I literally believe XMR is the trade of a lifetime.

>>52842033
it should become the world reserve currency as governments lack the reach needed to enforce their nwo plans, they will half heartedly attempt, but no one is buying it

xmr will be the world reserve currency in our lifetime, I truly believe this will be the case

>>52841900
name one major jewish business that went out of business sense 2008 when the jewish money printing started. there isn't a single jewish business that can fail becuase they just print money and proclaim through the jewish media that they are too big to fail.

fuck jews fuck niggers
also fuck the fbi the long arm of the jewish mafia banking industry who lets small white business owners have their livelyhood destroyed by SAVAGE nigger jew golems from BLM

FUCK NIGGERS FUCK JEWS FUCK THE FBI

monero replaces bitcoin and us petrol dollar
Monero is replacing Bitcoin Jews can't collect income tax on XMR fuck niggers

I know this is the XMR thread.. but why the other privacy coins (dash, zcash) don't gain traction? Why is Monero superior?

>>52841926
Cryptostorm is run by based schizos that only recently started taking kyc methods like paypal; before you could only pay in bitcoin or prepaid cards.
They need 'your' email to send the access token, but that's about it. They practice 'security through transparency', so they post all the config files on their site for every server they deploy.

>>52842333
>no Schelling point kills them out of the gate
>devs and community just want their bags to pump, complete capitulation at any pushback, whereas Monero is populated by Puritans who would rather go down fighting than compromise a single inch to glowniggery, which is a massive trust signal for prospecting criminals
>every single other coin has either bad privacy, a trusted setup, and/or scammy tokenomics like a pre-mine or dev tax

>>52842333
>I know this is the XMR thread.. but why the other privacy coins (dash, zcash) don't gain traction? Why is Monero superior?

Better, more reliable tech, impeccable cypherpunk credentials, powerful and growing network effect. The move to a Monero-only standard on the darknet pretty much seals it.

Tell you what, if you buy a riseup invite you get a cock.li invite for free
0.17 XMR - Riseup
0.035 XMR - cock.li
Email me niggaz.

>>52842033
>I don’t even want to think about what sort of price action is coming, because I honestly think it’s BTC tier.
You could make reasonable FUD arguments against substantial price appreciation. It could just crab or make boring stock market-tier gains. None of us really know. I try to have a mental framework that I'm here for the freedom and values Monero represents, that it's a fight worth fighting, and that it's entirely possible that I could financially do about as poorly being a Monero extremist as I have being a gold/silver bug. If the bull thesis/value investor proposition (which I believe) actually does play out then I get to become fabulously wealthy fighting for the things I already cared about.

>>52842699
no you can't make reasonable fud arguments because monero is money and monero is the best form of money on earth

>>52842793
jews really go hard censoring monero discussions they DO NOT want the goys knowing!!

jews can't collect income tax on an anonymous currency that they can't spy on people transactions. then steal ure money and give endless handouts to nigger pets to destroy white civilizations

monero replaces bitcoin and us petrol dollar

>>52842793
>no you can't make reasonable fud arguments because monero is money and monero is the best form of money on earth
It doesn't follow that it means our price action will go to the stratosphere. Even with widespread adoption, if Monero had sufficiently high money velocity it would dampen the price appreciation.

>>52843117
demand will only increase over time, supply will decrease, it is impossible for us to lose

>>52822789
>I still don't have much money but atleast something to slowly build a stack.
me rn, gonna be studying over my break to get through this shit faster

>>52843124
While I agree with the sentiment, it's far from a sure thing. It's DEFINITELY possible for us to fuck this up.

It's not like you just hold monero and one day you make it, if WE do not build out that network of people and boxes that all accept monero, if WE do not build that future, we will not have that future.

There is yet time for monero to go the way of Bitcoin, don't allow feeling invincible to lead you to complacency because if we're complacent something like what happened to Bitcoin is infinitely easier to pull off. It's the community that runs interference on that shit and it's something that's baked into human nature so the attempts will never ever cease.

Keep eyes on Cake, majesticbank and any other organizations like them that bridge traditional currency with digital currency. Don't let them become something of a blockstream. Use their services but don't allow them to get too powerful, even if that's at a detriment to your own convenience.

>>52843438
it builds itself, I also have told all of my family about it and explained it pretty thoroughly, when times get truly tough, like another great depression then people will find monero

but I believe that monero might even avert hyperinflation and a depression

How do I start mining?
What hardware should I buy to get a good mining rig going?

>>52844370
https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/c7na4

For a CPU, ryzen 9 series chips are your best bet.
other than that you will need
>motherboard compatible with the CPU you bought
>power supply compatible with your motherboard and rated for the amount of power you'll need (a 650w PSU is probably more than plenty for a super stripped down build)
>a cooler compatible with your CPU (just buy a noctua and save yourself the time spent searching)
>high speed ddr4 (I recommend 2x 8GB sticks of ddr4 3600)
>a switch so you can turn the machine on and off
>a USB stick (32gb should be enough, this is in place of an internal hard drive. Your mining rig won't be doing much writing to disk other than logs and even if they fail they're like $10 a pop and can be cloned in 30 seconds)
Pro tip for using usb boot drives:
Samsungs "32GB" is not the same as Sandisks "32GB", if you're cloning boot drives just buy a bunch of the same exact sticks.

>>52844435
Can you enlighten me on the problems with my gameplan?

>buy cheap thinkpad
>upgrade CPU, RAM
i now have power supply, motherboard, cooler, hard drive most likely much cheaper than buying all these new components. I get a included plastic cover that looks better in the shelf than a naked motherboard. I can unplug the monitor, webcam, mic that's not needed.

I understand the cooling will be less efficient than a big cooler, what other cons are there?

>>52844858
Everything older than ryzen 3000s series mines almost nothing.
The jump was huge so I wouldn't bother with anything older or Intel.

>>52844858
>>52844896
Cheap aliexpress xeons bulds with 10+ cores can be profitable at scale. Dual cpu builds can go up to 44 cores on one motherboard.

In the spirit of christmas, I'll be giving away 20 invites in >>>/g/psg and >>>/biz/xmr on 26th Dec (10 per thread).
Until then, I still have a riseup invite left in stock. 0.17 XMR. Email me@
>imevil@cock.li

>>52840412
OVPN accepts XMR as well, and has gone to court and proved they don't keep logs

Do we want the fumo to be cheaper or have it at a clean 1 XMR with the majority of excess funds going to art-fund & a small part to subsidized sticker packs?

>>52846235
What would the cheaper price be? A simple 1 XMR pricetag would be a better selling point unless it's a huge markup. You wouldn't want a pricetag like 0.74357 because that's annoying to read, but you also don't want to massively increase price for the sake of readability.

>>52846338
dont have a final price yet but it would probably be upwards of 15% markup

>>52846538
I would get one for 1 XMR, not sure about the other Anons

Set the price in XMR, not in dollars equivalent. If we continue to rely on the dollar valuation to decide our prices we will never actually be free.

>>52846538
Bro you can just use USD as price tag with a fraction of 1 XMR as the actual price and it wouldn't look annoying. 100 USD is 0.66 XMR for example.
>>52846570
Don't have that kind of money yet :')

>>52846235
What is the production cost (labor included) btw? Outsourcing production to chinese sweat shops would be imo much better for reducing labor costs.

>>52839663
You're mostly correct, and our path seems similar, Xmr and eth are still the ones I believe in, thou I have a few more like Sylo, that's built with an end to end encrypted messaging app, and Xmr, just that I don't know may be i should keep holding like I'm doing with eth coz of sec case

>>52846990
business secret

nah but for real, I don't have the final price yet because I'll still have to pay import taxes and don't have a clue how high they will be. I also haven't set a price for my labor but i don't really care about that anyways.
the main goal is to make a cute plushy because we don't have any proper monerochan merch, secondary goal is to raise funds so I don't go into debt should similar monerochan-merch-related ventures in the future catastrophically fail for any reason

>>52846235
I would rather the 1 XMR clean rate idea.

>>52848415
This

>>52817752
do any anons, have the mega link for all xmr related art/memes? I lost my harddrive a while ago and I am missing monero booba in my life

>>52849797
bump

>>52849797
https://mega.nz/folder/JSYUlZrY#CxTF5PTJKcWIPt7qzduHzQ

who here knows a lot about XMR I have a technical question

>>52850385
Ask away then. If we can't answer, the Matrix channels have a bunch of XMR devs.

>>52850495
sure
when’re we getting rich lad?

>>52850558
Oh you motherfucker, kek. As soon as you stop asking.

>>52850558
I would show you my thesis but it might be too technical.
Tldr: in two weeks

>>52850558
>when’re we getting rich lad?

Next Thursday.

>leave desktop mining all night
>made 0.04$ worth of xmr
why is my hashrate 35% of what it should be, btw

>>52840412
vps or vpn?
vps services would be incognet.io and njal.la

>>52852403
Which OS?
Which miner? (xmrig, Monero GUI?)
Latest version?
Running as Administrator if using Windows?
Running with 1GB pages if using Linux?
Memory running at advertised frequency and timings?

>>52852403
What's your setup?

>>52841758
2 more weeks

>>52822291
I want one

>>52854010
43df4b2430356405638052f5f81584371b5fb4be20c5d33af3c449b94b4c9b66

>>52854025
Thanks a lot

>>52854025
Damn you sure you don't have any spare?

how many times in my life am I going to need to hear about Sylo and it's "end to end encrypted messaging app" as if that's a selling point.

I have to choose my topic for bachelor degree project. I study CS and math. Is there any interesting topic or project I can create to help monero ?

I do not have skills yet to help development of the blockchain a cryptography it self. But I think I am able to write monero integration to existing open source project or write my own.

I am also FOSS enthusiat so I will definitely release it under open source license.

>>52855226

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>>52836541
it is a good indicator for privacy projects in general. Run a check of how Privacy Tokens % Price Change from the Top

https://twitter.com/NagatoDharma/status/1602294396145356800

>>52834888
Also, Monero isn't the only means to privacy. There is dero, zec, and rail

>>52855371
>There is dero, zec, and rail
1pbid
shilling worthless projects
Why yes, I am a bot how could you tell?

>>52855371

>>52855441
bots are true retards. mfker

>>52855220
They seem to be relying on people not understanding Signal, Molly IM, XMPP, or basically anything with PGP capabilities.

I want to leave a opinion piece here and say cryptwerk is NOT a good site to post your services. I posted my design services and got my submission rejected, and the moderators refused to elaborate on why. They already have “businesses” on there and left the bad ones with bad reviews up with the good ones. It doesn’t make any logical sense to deny an listing if your job is to help the crypto scene.

Also don’t @ me, I realized one of the assholes there does browse /biz/. I’m just fed up with this shit and need to vent

>>52854650
yeah i'm sending it get ready

>>52854650
50ccac66e163ec77dea20b4a573ed41833071df71cbc2be48a6a5ba0f30c4b68

>>52844858
A laptop cheap enough will not be strong enough. A $700-$800 Ryzen 9 rig will pull 13-15000H/s while that $50 laptop will get literally like 150H/s-300H/s while also being less reliable. Just not worth beating on the poor old thing, turn it into a gentoo trannybook or something.

Unless you know a guy who knows a guy who can get you palates of discarded workstation laptops for pennies on the dollar, desktop hardware will always be superior.

Bizzump

Back again. What does everyone think about this,
https://moneromarket.io/

Its one of the first clearnet monero based selling sites I've seen, fairly new to the space so could be wrong. Looks like a cleaner design craigslist not so sure about email requirement could be a opsec problem point but we are talking legal goods based ecommerce so thats a big leap for it when people just say "drugs coin stuck in 2010 btc"

>>52859765
I think people should by my junk so I can finally get a spendable amount of monero.

>>52846235
1 xmr is good, especially if you make them exclusive some how, like having some embroidery denoting it being a first run

>>52856814
im talking about buying the laptop as a motherboard,

>>52861481
Uhm what?
Pretty much all laptop motherboards these days have soldered CPU.
I don't know what you are trying to achieve here.
Just get as many as cheap used 3900x systems as possible.

>>52855441
Any opinion about other privacy coins is a bot. Nothing new

>bought several XMR on Binance
>they took my money
>try to transfer it to my own wallet
>Withdrawals Suspended
>their hot wallet is empty
>it's been over a day now
>funds are suspendu
>try to talk to support, they just tell me to try again later and they're "working on getting more XMR"

pretty cool exchange

>>52861881
pretty sick exchange NGL. Would be a surprise if they were insolvent HAHAHAHAhahaha!

>>52861481
why not just buy a used motherboard and avoid the overheating issues and inevitable pain of dealing with the laptop? Even unused motherboards are pretty cheap compared to the CPU.

>>52861881
Some people gotta learn the hard way.

>>52855220
A very persistent shill indeed.

>>52855692
Recently I discovered Simplex Chat while going through F-Droid. The self-hostable architecture where user owns the keys and can change servers is really attractive to me. It's seems to be a very young project though. Lots of ways to go.
https://github.com/simplex-chat/simplex-chat
I really hope something like this becomes a standard to the point of replacing email. Imagine using some website on darknet and such and then it asks for a fucking email.

>>52856139
I remember seeing stuff on plebbit about it being a scam.

>>52859765
I sold on it once successfully. Agreed about the email but it does send very minimal ones that don't include details. It lets you set a PGP key in settings so why not send emails PGP too?

>>52844858
My cheap Thinkpad X230 laptop is 750 H/s. My Ryzen 3600 is 7650 H/s. My ancient Intel i7 is 2000 H/s.
Old laptops are just not that powerful. Most crucially, you should know buying new hardware to mine is never profitable unless your electricity is free, and even then it will take a long while to break even. For example if you're buying a gaming PC and will also mine on the side, that's fine. Buying the same PC just for mining is just not going to be profitable. Maybe you're just very enthusiastic about Monero. That's fine, just know it's not going to earn you money.

>>52863278
I forgot the mention the most important part about Simplex: It offers an equivalent of Monero's sub-address functionality.
(Monero is the top choice in crypto donations on their GitHub page, a sub-address too at that, so they must know the relation)

>>52860053
i don't intend on having multiple runs of the same plushy so they will be exclusive by their very nature. they'll also come with some form of certificate with a serial number of 1/100. let me know if you guys have any ideas for its design. i was thinking about a professional photograph in the front with some art and text about monerochan in the back in a credit-card-style material and format.

>>52861881
>they tell me they're working on getting more XMR
really? wouldn't that confirm they run on fractional reserves for monero?

>>52849953
thank you, I love you anon :3

>>52861881
this post doesn't make sense at all of course
a bankrun on xmr is supposed to make the price go up, as has happened before
now for some reason the binance fud makes all crypto go up, with the sole exception of xmr
so binance either had a lot of xmr and is selling everything to cover all other crypto assets or, what is more likely, you are lying

>>52861881
>try to talk to support, they just tell me to try again later and they're "working on getting more XMR"

I'm going to need to see proof of this before I believe this is true.

Just a thought, but correct me if I'm wrong, but in the long run, Monero should have a stable deflation rate.

Assuming that Monero will be continued to be used, and not gobbled up by whales, the coin loss should be stable percentage of the supply. So with that the percentage inflation should be the percentage inflation caused by tail emission minus the stable percentage coin loss. With tail emission the percentage of supply being created will approach 0 in the long run, so the equation above should become percentage inflation equals minus percentage coin loss, especially as time goes by and the supply grows.
However, a strong deflation will cause positive price action, so more people could start holding the monerujo decreasing the coin loss percentage relative to the entire supply. Bringing down the deflation. This could go on until it's just the minimal tail emission caused inflation left. So maybe a more plausible model would be that the ratio of active supply and hold supply reaches an equilibrium, and from there with a small, and unverifiable deflation rate the price action should be dependent on the adoption.
Lower adoption means the ratio of supply that is active vs that is being hodled increases meaning less coin loss (as that results from active usage and short-term unsafe storage from many people) meaning less deflation, meaning less positive price action. With higher adoption the reverse holds. That seems like a future I would live in.
But due to Monero's private nature we might never be able to see the exact statistics on the amount of active supply. Maybe someone can make an educated guess if this is correct, based on historic prices, supply, and number of transactions.

>>52839864
hey man nice informative video. that bitcoin thing sure sounds pretty cool, huh?
Also feel free to share your favorites informative channels with me, i love this kind of content.

>>52866698
man i sure didn't understand even half of what you said, but i can tell you this:
Inflation is a monetary phenomenon result of the increase in the monetary volume, therefore deflation is the contrary, a reduction in the monetary volume.
If you want deflation you would need to remove actual XMR coins from the chain, or wait for ppl to lose their keys forever (which will happen at some degree).
I don't think i need to mention how harmful deflation is for a currency.
A little inflation is always better than deflation.

>>52867006
I tried to make it more coherent, but maybe putting it in simpler equation is better than words describing the equations.
i -> raw inflation in units of Monero
I -> inflation in terms of %, deflation if it's negative
S -> total Monero supply
S_a -> Supply that is Actively being used
c -> coin loss in units of Monero (key loss, somehow managing to send to a lost address, burning coins, etc).
t -> tail emission in units of Monero (0.6)
With these it is following are follow:
(1) I = i/S
(2) i = t - c
Assuming that it is in respect to S_a
(3) c = S_a * [constant%]
So with a sufficient amount of time passing it follows that:
I = i/S
i = - c
I = (-c) / S
I = - (S_a* [constant%])/S
I = - S_a/S * [constant%]
So as long as the ratio of active and inactive supply is constant, with time passing rather than tail inflation, coin loss becomes the dominant force, causing deflation.
Now with that adoption increases the ratio, increasing deflation (the more people are using it, the more coins get lost), that will produce positive price action (less coins to go around with), increasing hodling, which in turns brings "down" deflation (closer to 0%). So the price movement upwards stops. Meaning that a bump in adoption is a bump in price, but with a steady force pushing the price up.

But I'm realizing this was just an overly complicated way to put "Monero's price has an inherent upwards trend due to coin loss and low inflation. And adoption will increase price, not just due to more demand.". Oh well, at least I used my brain a bit.

I need to make some monero , when is poker night?

>>52867955
Normally Saturday Morning at 4 AM EST, but you can find games at a more reasonable hour by lurking Dread (if it isn't being DDOSed)

>>52861881
tradeogre you fool

still selling cock.li and riseup for cheap rates-
0.035 XMR - cock
0.17 XMR - riseup

>>52870861
email me at imevil@cock.li

>>52866698
It converges to constant supply, actually:
>coin loss can be modeled as a certain percentage of the supply over time (doesn't matter how much and we can't know anyway)
>tail emission is a constant absolute number
>tail emission grows the supply
>as the supply grows, coin loss grows
>eventually coin loss grows to match tail emission
>supply equilibrium reached
https://petertodd.org/2022/surprisingly-tail-emission-is-not-inflationary

>>52870861
I sell cock for 0.02 XMR. https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/7a5ty

>>52871196
An analogy to explain to brainlets:
>imagine a water baloon
>a baloon has a hole
>a certain constant amount of water keeps filling the baloon
>as the baloon fills, the hole gets larger
>as the hole gets larger, more water leaks out
>eventually there is a some specific baloon size where it reaches balance

>>52871196
>supply equilibrium reached
i think your assumption is wrong. what makes you think monero is going for an equilibrium between its inflation and deflation?
if some day 100k xmr is lost, nothing guarantees that before that 100k are replenished again by the tail emission another 100k are not gonna be lost.
In the other hand you can neither assume that the loss of xmr is going to keep up with the tail emission.
Anyway i'm a little pessimist in this matter, i think deflation will take over the coin and make it a store of value rather than a day-to-day currency.

im a new monero holder.

I always see xmr threads but never entered until a few hours ago and I am sold. xmr just makes more sense. wallets are supposed to be private. honestly in a couple of years when the linear mining reward is reached and bitcoin goes the way of the dinosaur as it should I can see btc and xmr swapping values around 2025 and then xmr becoming even mroe valuable than btc was at its peak.

pic unrelated

>>52842456
>>every single other coin has either bad privacy, a trusted setup, and/or scammy tokenomics like a pre-mine or dev tax


Not RAIL though, which itself is not a privacy coin, but has a wallet that helps to preserve privacy involving assets on multiple chains.

>https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2022/12/14/us-senators-warren-marshall-introduce-digital-assets-anti-money-laundering-bill/

Wannabe dictators at it again. This bill would effectively ban cryptocurrencies in the Untied States.

>>52841260
Everyone needs private wallets that lets them keep a private balance and make totally anonymous txns of their preferred assets.

>>52872999
And that's a good thing

>>52873133

at least put some effort into your bait, faggot.

>>52872430
Fuck off with that image

>>52873281
no I think I wont. I think I will return here occasionally to post it and there is nothing you can do about it. maybe you should get laid if andy makes you so mad. or maybe you secretly desire his steamy log

>>52873227
Good for Monero at least, regulations can't stop the inevitable.

>>52872999
checked
their time of atonement will come

>>52822245
an invite would be appreciated, fren
>t. I hate the antichrist

JFC this node business is fucking retarded. what are you fags doing? get onto making this shit more accessible for noobs so monero can be adopted and used easier.

>>52874073
Have you tried not being an idiot? Nodes are dead simple, either wait for the blockchain to download (an almost completely hands free experience) or use a remote node, which is just a setting change away. RTFM

>>52874095
its gonna take fucking ages and I have fast net. and im yet to find a remote node that fucking works....

>>52874140
https://monero.fail/
https://nodes.monero.com/

>>52874191
thanks for those. ill be honest lads my first impressions of this crypto you're so passionate about arent good. getting vibes like im gonna join someones cs1.6 server and its gonna be the server owner and his buddies noclipping the whole time. thats an analogy for what i am expecting as far as privacy goes.

>>52874250
also no site ive visited has been able to adequately explain the pitfalls of using remote nodes... they all just say remote node bad local node good.

>>52874269
honestly its like the devs and everyone in the community want to make this hard to adopt. for some reason the mining stuff is in the official program.

Cant even check my balance until I download the whole fucking blockchain or I connect to le bad remote node.

>>52874269
with a remote node your trusting that node over your own locally downloaded blockchain.
if the filesize is an issue you can also prune the blockchain to like ~50gigs
earlier this year there were a bunch of malicious nodes that would charge an outrageous network fee, 19xmr
>https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/8298

in 2020 there were malicious nodes that would cause you to be stuck at 99% sync, the quick fix was to apply an ip ban list until the problem was resolved
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/kj3aho/malicious_node_attack_still_a_problem/

Infinite supply shitcoin. No amount of cope changes this.

>>52874376
thats still a lot of data to download. also I still have no idea what the host of a node can do aside from changing the network/(transaction?) which sounds broken af btw.

>>52874462
>network/(transaction?) fee*

>>52874394
it can and does apply well to a growing society. the very clear problem im seeing is adoption.

>>52873881
ok

>>52874394
>Infinite supply shitcoin. No amount of cope changes this.

This retard again.

>>52873881
5f8fc89e36b94a4a6e2262f514de537546249e830f9dcc20c2ef67e3a383e6a6

>>52874462
if you are gonna use a remote node just stick to one of the top trusted nodes. like sethforprivacy or cakewallet

>>52874474

See? More cope, its always same with you shitcoiners.

>>52874553

lol not a viable rebuttal. Keep coping.

>>52874664
>lol not a viable rebuttal. Keep coping.

You're clearly too stupid to understand that infinite supply happens over an infinite timescale so why bother?

When is BTC hitting $1 million, next year perhaps?

>>52874559
thank you anon. I went with cakewallet, looks good to me. I can finally see my balance.

Peacefully requesting a cute Monerochan for next OP pic

>>52874778

Sooner than you think.

>>52874875
>Sooner than you think.

Gentlemen, this is delusion manifest.

>>52874936

Cope a little harder and I'll send you a postcard from the moon.

>>52875373
>Cope a little harder and I'll send you a postcard from the moon.

Be sure to have it sent to Mars.

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