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NEO 500$ in 2018 or nah?

Are you part of CoZ?

>>5278945
why develop smart contracts when they're limited to data within the blockchain? if only you had a way to meaningfully use off chain data. Until then "smart contracts" are dumb contracts and fucking gay.

>>5278945
I know some Python and I'm looking into becoming a developer for the Neo blockchain, do you by chance have any good resources that I might find useful?

>>5278945

What do you think about LINK?

new discord https://discord.gg/sFKjeSP

>>5278974
That would be 7x and a market cap of what Ripple has now.

We say 20x of bitcoin this year, so I consider it possible. When it comes to smart contract capable platforms, and assuming internal politics and whatnot will hinder scalability of Ethereum, NEO is the most capable platform, and you can work with Python and C#.

>>5278996
Yes.

>>5279005
Well yes, I agree. Smart contracts right now are only really good for money focused issues. But, for example, I work on a decentralized voting app and this sort of thing can work as well.

>>5279013
Join the CoZ discord and go to the python-developer chat there. The python project on GitHub is
https://github.com/CityOfZion/neo-python
and comes with the compiler
https://github.com/CityOfZion/neo-boa
Both have docs

>>5279027
If I could, I wouldn't even mention any project by name in such threads. People get ridiculously emotional with the projects they invested money in. I think Sergey knows what he does and I think oracles are hard but super important. I've taken a look on oracle solutions before the LINK ICO. I personally think other projects will moon more, as this (important) projects has too many dependencies on the quality of other project. >in4b people start to arguing about LINK here

>>5279430
As a smart contract developer, what is lacking currently in the crypto sphere to you? what problems are you running into without a solution? What projects offer solutions to these problems? Where do you see smart contract tech/platforms in 2 years? What is preventing smart contracts from mainstream adoption?

What do you think about Dragonchain as a competitor to the smart contract arena?

>>5278945
Oh, this could be a cool thread. I'm a programmer looking to get into smart contacts. I rarely see other devs here. Was NEO your first smart contract platform? Have you used any others enough to compare? At a glance writing contracts in a general purpose language doesn't seem like such a good idea. Principle of least power, yada yada. How do they deal with the security implications and the huge attack surface? Or do they just compile a subset of Python to their VM's bytecode?

fuck off back to lereddit no one cares fag

>>5279852
I'm only doing this in my free time.
The question is hard to answer. It's the wild west were if you know a hello world on a blockchain platform, you're spammed with LinkedIn request from people who want their idea realized. Or worse, they just want to do an ICO. I personally think that the ecosystem would be healthier if there wasn't that much money involved. Right now you just have a few competing platforms and there's enough to do and so I lack time more than anything. There's no good resource to find people except by asking repeatedly or stalking people on github, but people work on the ecosystem (e.g. this project https://moonlight.io/, also on NEO). If generally sounds like you want to know which projects I think are good investments and to that I'd say that in short term, the quality of a project seems only loosely related to how well it will do on the market.
"The oracle problem" mentioned is of course a real problem. I can make you an app in which you can store your diary in encrypted form and ambitious people work on decentralized trading platforms, but this is all just things on the network itself. If I were to make a dApp which tells a user the weather Vienna, there's no way to do this in a decentralized fashion - none that doesn't have a huge overhead.
A simple way to get funds on the blockchain (buying with $) and lack of knowledge of people what a dapp can an can't do. But hey, this is exactly the content of the video I posted above.

>>5279894
I looked at that months ago when searching for other blockchains using Python. It's a blockchain by the Walt Disney marketing web service crew, no? I don't see them doing anything globally relevant.

>>5279907
Yes it was. First I wrote in myself. Pretty sure it's the simplest and broadest one to get into too.
My youtube channel was really me explaining dependently type functional programming languages, but this stuff caught my attention in August.

When do you think China will clear up the FUD surrounding crypto and Chinese ICOs

>>5279926
been a /sci/ poster since 2008 and was never on leddit

>>5279907
I'm pretty sure a custom language the nobody tested for anything else before is a bigger security risk.

Zen Protocol use the dependently typed F* for contracts, which is a sweet idea. I interview them here
https://youtu.be/T9z3YQkKCLo

Cardano also want to do something strongly typed and - last I watched - even a custom language. And while I love people doing projects in my meme languages, Using Java/Python/C# is simple the way to go if you want to build an economy.

EOS and Stratis did that too.

I don't see the biggest of security risk, given that I've never seen a contract with more than 1000 lines.

>Or do they just compile a subset of Python to their VM's bytecode?
Yes.
The virtual machines are very compact and don't use any libraries. This would be pretty much madness anyway: The NEO VM is similar to the Java VM and if you were to write a most general compiler from Python to that, you'd effectively have to translate Java libraries to Python first.

And "they" is just guys you can talk to on discord. The Chinese pretty much worked in C# and a bit Java. Then CoZ jumped on board with Python and lots of javascript on the cli side.

>>5280513
Donno. I'm not optimistic things will develope super positively on the official side. On the unofficial side people will keep on caring less about it. But I mean I don't really know anything about Chinese politics, so..

>>5278945
Off-topic, but how practical is Idris today? I'd really like to find a better Haskell, with an unfucked default Prelude, strings and strict evaluation.

what do you think of ZRX and people developing dApps off of that? I saw a couple threads here today shilling for them

>>5281383
Haskell!
Well, I think it's usable if you don't need libraries for anything :P

Where do you take issue witih the standard Prelude? Tweaking this will probably be less work than Idris. But anyway, use Idris. Someone's gotta start :P

As a matter of fact, if you're actually interesting in blockchain stuff with Haskll or Idris, and for a long time project to test the waters, I've wanted to write a compiler to NEO smart contracts for quite some time. You may reach me here
https://axiomsofchoice.org/