/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>5278484
stream?

Holy shit they even listed advantages of BCash.
Shit is going down.

>>5278484
> Implying both coins are not colluded into pulling this shit off.

stream? replay?

>>5278484
WHOA 8 MEGABYTES OF MEMORY? BITCOIN CASH IS WAY BETTER

This is it... The end of bitcoin

>>5278870
Not really, just replacement.

>>5278484
NO YOU DONT

>>5278935
fool, do you really think everythings going to be okay after this takeover

>>5279001

yes both currencies do the same thing. It's a medium of exchange. It doesn't matter which one is dominant

>>5278484
It's over for Corecucks

>>5278756
Thats for speed, nooby fudder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7s7-09-oms

i saw on bloomberg TV earlier they were talking about "bitcash"
it triggered me

Probably the word colluded has to many sylabes for the average burger around, let's try in Simple English:

Both teams of developers are pretending to be fighting each other over crypto dominance but the truth is that they are a single team playing good-cop and bad-cop with the gullible cuckbase user.

Pump one coin and dump it to buy the other while its low, rinse and repeat. They, both sides, are making money with each dump.

This can't possibly be related to CME futures Wallstreet money. Not at all.

>>5278484
Needs to be fast so i can make money fast with my bots
Tired of that slow bullshit

>bitcoin jesus
wtf is this normie shit fuck off bitcoin cash or core or whatever with these retarded discussions

>>5278484
core shits could have avoided this if they listened
https://discord.gg/srFAtER

>>5279539
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7s7-09-oms
Lietrally telling people to move to exchanges

HOLY SHIT this war is getting HOT

>>5279602
its not at all

its only related to coinbase adding BCH

are you retarded?

>>5279028
>yes both currencies do the same thing.

You're clearly a brainlet without the ability to think more than 5 minutes ahead if you aren't thinking about the impact this takeover will have on the space

>>5279028
>It doesn't matter which one is dominant
you are a complete moron
BTC is slow and expensive
If..... BTC get its shit together and fixes it problems, with cost and speed people will shift back.

>>5278484
Anyone else cringed listening to these talking heads? These are the same people that laughed at us for playing with "Internet funny money" now all of the sudden they're shilling shitcoins and talking about them as if they know their shit when all they're doing is regurgitating what's on the white paper.

>>5279887
get used to it
they are slowly taking over control

>>5279539
was looking for this, thx man

>>5279915
Why do normies have to fucking ruin everything.

>>5278745
https://youtu.be/PgUfAzwuuKI

>>5279725
>insider trading is a n-non crime

>>5278484
Coinbase and BCH fags will be amongst to get prosecuted as regs clamp down lmao.

>>5279822
Oh nooo the impact. Better drown in fees instead and let core rule forever

>>5279001
>>5279822
corecucks in 5 stages of grief

>>5279948
those normies will make us rich. embrace it

>>5278484
>2MB
What timeline is this?

>>5279992
hes right you know
this is crypto

>>5280043
ZIGGY

>>5280003
>>5280025
>They think I'm a Core supporter

I think everything in the Bitcoin family is shit, but a quick overtaking by a fork of what people currently consider 'Bitcoin' will have huge negative impacts on the space. Bitcoin should be replaced slowly by something not bearing the Bitcoin branding. That's the only way to avoid a market crash

>>5279877
>If..... BTC get its shit together and fixes it problems
how?

>>5278870
I don't think so

>>5280110
let him dream. Grief is a process

meanwhile on bloomberg they are talking about L2 solutions. CNBC is for fucking brainlets.

>>5278935
>>5278484

Bigger network is the understatement of the century. Literally nobody on earth accepts bcash as currency, compare that to bitcoin.

>>5279725
it's true though, if BTC starts crashing how is the average person going to send their tx to an exchange to sell in a reasonable time?

tx already take hours/days to confirm on BTC

>>5280110
think of it like this. BCH is the note to represent a more liquid transfer but is based on BTC, much like the U.S. dollar was initially meant to serve as a unit of account for gold stored elsewhere and by other parties. Gold did no lose intrinsic value with the spread of cash as long as we were on the gold standard. and even after. maybe it's better to think of BTC as the commodity and BCH as the liquid derivative of it in this case.

>>5278484

JUST FUCK MY WHOLE COIN UP SENPAI

>>5278484
BCASH IS THE CHOSEN ONE. THE MEDIA HAS SPOKEN. ABANDON ALL BTC HOLDINGS SHITS FINNA GO DOWN

>>5280104
> What is VTC

>>5280110
Don't worry about blank, let me worry about blank

>>5278870
bcash is bitcoin, friendo. we just avoided getting steered to the end of bitcoin by core.

did you know that if it weren't for core, ethereum smart contracts would have been added to bitcoin instead?

>BCH takes over
>now no one will hodl because a new coin might come along to replace BCH

>>5280181
it's getting added to bitpay
and how many people actually accept BTC as payment? I know lot's of businesses that used to are stopping due to tx times/fees

this seems shady

>>5280110

All the alt coin will have the same hurdles and difficulties BTC has had, they're just far behind

Alt coins aren't even accepted as currency.

Coins are dead desu, never ever did i think I would see this shit on fast money.

>>5279822
Years of damage if bcash wins

You can't cash out with BCash, and if we're talking software advantages, both coins are pure shit compared to the other options we have in both terms of privacy and performance.

>>5280274

>T. Seller of dips and buyer of peaks

>>5280104
what makes you think we care about some speculators that bought some coins a few years ago?
bitcoin has the best and most time tested tech in the space as an economic p2p system.
why replace bitcoin when you could just improve it by updating the code?
>market crash
who gives a shit, 1bitcoin = 1bitcoin

>>5280144

So are you gonna respond at all to what I said, or are you gonna just look for easy gotchas and keep pushing your old slightly less shit dinosaur coin relying entirely on branding?

>>5280272

This is exactly it. People will get paranoid about some fork they didn't know about taking over and destroying the value of what they hold. Hard forks are good in concept, fucking terribly for the stability of a currency

>>5278484
reddit btfo, im working atm but as soon as i get some free time ima go read /bitcoin subreddit, i bet its full of tears or delusion

>>5280269
that gives me feels

I could argue core stole millions from me since I held for 5 years

>>5279539
wow bitcoin jesus is a fucking asshole

>>5280387
>why replace bitcoin when you could just improve it by updating the code?

You honestly expect Bitcoin to make significant necessary improvements after the shitshow that was (and still is) the BTC/BCH fork?

redditors btfo

Go bitch about chinks and how Roger Ver is raping your dog somewhere else

>>5280401
its gold. if BTC dips another 10% it will be panicselling

>>5280348
clean the shit out of your eyes anon and read up on the fucking tech

>>5280427
Maybe new devs will be slightly more cooperative when they realize they will be replaced if they fuck up.

Why do you think core didnt compromise to 2MB ? they thought they can get away with it

>>5280314
Years of damage if bCore wins

>>5279028
youre literally retarded, if bcash ever got even close to overtaking btc (which it wont) then crypto trading is dead and both would be worthless within days anyway

then blockchain can be a meme technology and a laughing stock whilst people who invested in hashgraph get rich (seriously keep an eye on hashgraph and watch for them giving investment opportunity)

>>5280592
if bcore wins eth will be #1 after this bubble cools down

if cash wins we have about 2 years time to figure out this scaling shit while still growing users exponentially

>>5280592
>Years of damage if bCore wins

The unwashed masses accept Core's coin as the standard. Everything goes along normally with them still in power, and hopefully they'll be overtaken by better things over a long period of time to avoid a complete market crash

>>5279649
>Being this new
Ver shilled bcore to normies and evangelised main stream acceptance. He deserves at least this respect despite of what he does you fagot

>>5280393
>people will get paranoid about shit they don't know about
why do you care? Are you here just to cash out fiat little by little on crypto gains or do you want to actually use bitcoin ?

>>5280258
ok fry

>>5280498

>>5280725
>or do you want to actually use bitcoin ?

I want to use crypto as a genuine future digital currency. I don't have an emotional investment in the Bitcoin brand

>>5280761
But all we had to do was hodl our tabs to the flat moon didn't we, Luke?
;_; ;_;

>>5280824
Then you should be happy if cash wins. Think about it. A real life full scale test whether big blocks can be done

This will be great for the advancement of crypto. And LN will still be built

Why are they so stupid? How long does it take to google BTC block size? It's not 2mb. There has never been a 2mb block on the entire BTC chain.

Why are these idiots allowed to talk about shit they are so ignorant about?

>>5280824
>I want to use crypto as a genuine future digital currency.

Satoshi would be proud. We've strayed so far. Im just glad theres coins like dogecoin so I can facilitate microtransactions with people around the world without losing much value to tx fees.

>>5280250
Remember what happened the last time msm rallied behind a forced meme?

>>5280952

segwit "doubles the block size" meme

>>5280952
Guess they calculated with segwit which makes it 1.7 in theory and rounded up

>>5280970
what you mean?

>>5280539
>read up on the fucking tech
It's a bitcoin fork that does jack shit better than LTC and is worse than ETH. And again, you still can't cash out with the damn thing.

>>5279877
>If..... BTC get its shit together and fixes it problems, with cost and speed people will shift back.
No. People will never have faith in the core dev team again. The amount of pink wojaks they are creating with their Bitcoin Taliban 1mb block shariah shit will never be forgiven. That they failed so spectacularly that BCH even had room to be made and made popular will never be forgiven.

When BTC falls, it stays down forever.

Bitcoin "just jam more protocol layers in until it is somewhat usable" Core.

>>5280952
Segwit. Normies can't into decimals, you forgot

>>5279972
Even Litecoin got BTFO in this!

This poor dumb motherfucker

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7l5djq/transfer_fees_way_higher_than_expected_is_this_an/

>>5279602
>he thinks Wall st. is relevant

/our guy/

>>5281105
point out to me a block that is big enough to round up to 2. Surely with such a clogged network, such a block exists?

Literally all crypto's promise is a product after 5 years, BZC is the only one of 20 coins that's actually finished.

>>5281167
in theory if everybody uses segwird it would be 1.7 mb

thats why we can comfily blame all the businesses that keep bitcoin alive for causing the full blocks instead of core

>>5280724
oh so sorry i was disrespecuful to cnbc roger ver 'coin jesus' communion. Becoming a normie is a long way to go , i have to respect that

>>5281159
Hi cryptobud

I just sent a transaction and it only cost $60. What now deluded Cashies?

>>5280952
Why are you so stupid?

>>5280970
What happened?

>>5280952
> Implying the holders are any better

I'd say is right in on par. The whales? Whales did not buy BTC, they got it mining or trading pre-2013.

Everyone who bought BTC or BCC is going to get rekt. Don't even cap this, nobody will care by then.

Over and Over and OVER.... It'll all flow back into Bitcoin!

*sigh*

>>5281275
Where's the 2mb blocks, genius?

>>5280251
The future anon. The future

>>5280427
Shit show? BCH was a proper fork. The shit show was the Segwit fork. Like look at the unconfirmed transactions and fees lmao

>>5281167
Look at this turbo fagot larping as a retard, what is 1.7 rounded off? Fuckin fagot

>>5281381
Point out this 1.7mb block on the blockchain, smart guy

>>5281267
don't worry they'll fix it with ln - give up bitcoins trustless decentralized p2p economy in favour of good old centralized trust nodes, since having a pc with a 500gb hdd would be too costly for average users

>>5281230
Look up his old vids and even his bitcoin talk forum account before this mess. He played a huge role in Bitcoin awareness don't you forget. I met him in Tokyo a while back

>>5280649
>figure out this scaling shit
We already have it figured out, just up the block size.

>>5281428
It's on the white paper and theoretical. Lots of things even the top speed of your car is theoretical

>>5281482
NO NO NO

We have to make bitcoin so fucking expensive that only bankers can use it. That way someone can run a completely useless node by using smoke signals in Africa.

>>5281515
So it doesn't actually have 1.7mb blocks. BCH actually has 8mb blocks so they got that part right, at least.

Also segwit is not on the whitepaper, the exact opposite is. "chain of digital signatures"

>>5281476
wow you met bitcoin jesus in tokyo city omg you so cool pls shill more. he had videos shilling his bags you say ?

>>5280223
no, because bitcoin plummetted in value when BCH was released. gold doesn't do that

>>5281634
muh store of value

>>5281606
Look man, I'm not referring to bitcoin.pdf. All of this is described in a segwit specific white paper. I can see English is not your native language or you are just new to this world. Google bip-141 or something and read it.
>>5281616
Yeah I was an expat in Tokio and after the talk I had lunch with him and probed him on bitcoin. It was all nonsensical at the time but he partially convinced me to invest in it. I did, and he is partially to thank for my wealthy status.

>>5281042
wipe your tears, i'm sorry for lashing out at you
there's no need to bring up shitcoins like ltc; ether is a cool tech idea but it's still young
>read up more

>>5281839
aww,you can say you went to valhalla and dined with bitcoin odin :'). You should make a video about how you got active in raising awareness posting this kind of shit on /biz after you become wealthy.

so will BCH be the next BTC?

>>5282131
No. ETH and BCH will be.

We're getting to the point where we are done with one coin dictating the entire market, and that's a huge leap forward.

>>5282131
BCH already is the real bitcoin

>>5282095
I've been on 4chan since forever due to anime. Are you implying if I am wealthy I shouldn't be a part of this community? What the actual fuck?

>>5282259
no brainlet i am saying you are a fucking normie promoting this kind of cnbc shit paying respects to some millionare dude who did nothing but shill his bags. also calling him bitcoin jesus and being ok to that what the fuck

MY UNCONFIRMED BUTTCOINS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>5281839
corecucks literally shilled a "to be continued" in the segwit wp =))
*yea we know sw2x doesn't fix jack shit but check out our next update where we'll take even more of your freedom and give you banks instead
>topkek
did you coreshills even read this garbage?

>>5278484
I don't trust the btrash chinks, but good. fuck the corecucks.

Really convinced the normies I'm sure...

>>5282491
Thank fucking god. I want bitcoin to have another leg up before divesting entirely out of it.

>>5282376
promoting cnbc shit what the fuck are you talking about girl?
>bitcoin jesus
take the joke cretin

>>5282491
no way trump can make back that poll lead, victory for hilldog!

Pay $50 to send to a segwit address so you can pay $35 for future transactions.
-or-
Pay $50 to dump you Bitcoin to use a coin that doesn't have insane fees.

HMMMMM

>>5282491
All normies have heard about is Bitcoin. Bring up Bitcoin Cash, and they'll freak out and get nervous.

Don't even bother trying to explain Ethereum to them.

>>5282545

>>5282376
>Did nothing but shill his bags
What bags? I'm confused. Do you know the definition of bags in respect to stock trading? He was also called BTC Jesus for a long time. He deserves the respect for what he did in crypto IMO. I don't have a problem with that, this is just ad hominem in your part. You can't attack the debate so you are attacking the people debating
>>5282425
I'm neutral and I share the opinion that this feud is fuelled by a lot information on both sides.

>>5282569
this is all you need to know about this entire fucking debate. Its that simple

>>5282541
>its just little joke
normie jew spotted

*disinformation
Sorry I'm guilty of phone posting

>>5282628
yeah but bitcoin is bitcoin cash, just cheaper

CeeEnnBSeee vaaast muneiii wruuuush

>>5282545
>Every poll is the same
>Isn't aware of the specific issues with the US polling.
Oh I'm sure CHOINA will be a better steward for "Bitcoin"

>>5282695
salt is bad 4 ure health

>>5282491
BCH is trading at .235 the price of BTC. So combined they trade at 1.235.

.235/1.235=19.02%

So this seems reasonable.

>>5282697
>you're guilty for not taking a stand against mediocrity

>>5282661
I'm pretty sure you're a trap. Answer me.

>>5280274
>and how many people actually accept BTC as payment? I know lot's of businesses that used to are stopping due to tx times/fees
name 5

>>5279877
Yeah bitcoin will never do smart contracts or private transactions or a million other things.

>>5283052
1. Circle
2. Steam

Those are off the top of my head. I'm sure others will get more.

>>5283985
why would it? it serves a simple purpose of transacting between A&B without the need for centralized structures
it doesn't claim to solve the oracle problem or knowledge networks or smart contracts

>>5284024
I think Steam stopped accepting btc.
I can't name 5 off the top of my head but I know I've seen a shitton of sites and content producers accept crypto.

>>5280995
But segwit reduces the size of transaction data. It doesn't change the block size.