/biz/ - Business & Finance

5. Salesguy is talking to me, obviously knows nothing about me (I'm a solo consultant) and just starts asking "ok, so I guess you're familiar with chainlink, my question is, would you or your company want to use it in your software." Me: "uhhhh I don't really make software, and I'm a solo guy so don't really have a company. Have been sharing some info about smart contracts because I really believe in the tech, and in chainlink." Sales guy: "I see, cool, well, look, we are kind of focused on people who want to start using chainlink

6. Sales guy: "I see, cool, well, look, we are kind of focused on people who want to start using chainlink, so we won't take up more of your time. But uh, you maybe could check the website because I think there are some grants and stuff you can apply for, but I don't know much about that.

DESU I've been in enterprise sales on both sides, selling to institutions and also working for institutions and this felt pointless and stupid and a waste of time.

The whole thing felt half assed. They didn't know anything about me, and also asking me to wake up at 5 am my time.

Much respect for sergey but the folks around him seem to have no idea how to do institutional sales.

Still extremely bullish, but glad they are making changes.

>>52781386
didn't read never staking

never migrating my LPL
never staking
not selling

>>52781398
>seem to have no idea how to do institutional sales.
Worse still, they don’t even understand Chainlink.

>>52781386
>>52781398
fuck off stinknigger

In all seriouslyness how the fuck do you fuck up selling a fat russian scam like LINK. Make a promise like 1keoy then tell that to as many people as you can and the number will definitely go up man like real soon the future

>>52781541
>seriouslyness

>>52781386
>>52781398
It is disappointing that they dropped the ball and couldn’t hire people with half a brain to learn their product. I personally don’t care as I see the value in this product and due to a retarded marketing team I’m able to accumulate more. My knowledge led me to something before the curve. I’m glad their focused in improving the team though. Im excited to see what 2023 brings for Chainlink.

>>52781570
Let me play doubles advocate here for a moment. sales is different to marketing and it was the sales team that dropped the ball. the marketing team lead by ChainLinkGod stayed based and redpilled?

>The staking pool, which is slated to be in beta testing for an unspecified period, is set to be initially capped at 25 million LINK token, good for 2.5% of the protocol’s circulating supply and about 5% of its total supply.
yeah i'm sure this amazing journalist has inside sources at chainlink

wait is this another clever fud thread written by none other than ubermarketingman chainlinkgod?

>>52781386
Maybe they should’ve hired biz, the ppl who supported them. Nah fuck it, rugpull these guys

>>52781758
/biz/ said the n word once or twice nigger and they named the jew like based ye
look at this new information that has cum to light
https://twitter.com/Nakamotolisk/status/1600596345575903232

>>52781386

absolutely based. i hope along with the prioer demotion of Adelyn out of the CMO role she fucked up so bad for years, this is a sign of sergey pulling his head out and actually doing something about the absolutely awful marketing and realising a bloated team isnt a good thing.

That said, i dont think this as bearish as the article spins it. interest must be way down from institutions on this environment especially after FTX, why keep all these faggots on the payroll even if you can afford it? pretty sensible and im glad they are actually thinking this way.

>>52781386
i am also going to make a crypto blog with legit sounding name like TokenSource or ChainTracker and publish bogus articles

>>52781815
do you think chainlinkgod.eth should receive a promotion to head shill?
it comes with a special badge and a double dump of LINK

>>52781782
Furry faggot kys

>>52781398

also they outsoruced their marketing and explanation to plebs to fucking twitter. chainlinkgod for FUCK sake. the absolute fuck up in marketing cant be explained or forgiven. its adelyns fault and whoever allowed this useless marketing/sales operation to go ahead and hire people like this.

maybe sergey wasnt even aware how bad it was. glad he sacked that bitch and now these useless sales niggers. Maybe chainlink just fell victim the the typical bloat tech companies have had the past few years of parasite retards who add nothing, either way, time for Sergey to get thick in the mud and sort out these retards.

They havehad FUCKING YEARS of amazing news and development, their senior management like sergey, Ari and their engineers are TOP tier. yet their sales and marketing absolutely threw this all away and pissed it into the wind. thats years of opportunity wasted.

Your experience of them "assuming you know" is SO FUCKING typical of their marketing approach. When SWIFT news drops, they need to make videos, infographic and talks about what SWIFT even fucking is because most people have no idea what it is, means or why its even a big deal. they failed to capitalized on all this because of their lazy ass outsourcing to twitter.

Im hoping Eric has woken sergey the fuck up to look under the hood and fire all the parasites and focus on value again

>>52781918
n word nigger
>>52781928
see
>>52781917
>do you think chainlinkgod.eth should receive a promotion to head shill?

>>52781928
>Your experience of them "assuming you know" is SO FUCKING typical of their marketing approach.
in all seriouslyness this is because BTC has zero adoption and ETH is just a scam for VCs to make new tokens hype them up and dump on plebs.
ChainLink needs to do everything themselves because they cannot rely on anything that crypto has accomplished which is basically nothing except accumulating tokens.

>>52781782
>https://twitter.com/Nakamotolisk/status/1600596345575903232

thats literally a 2017 tier "fud". i read that shit that many years ago by people who didnt understand it. imagine twitter niggers who consider themselves smart are only just thinking about this kind of thing lmao.

He's assuming people can just write some javascript and take the node heartbeat from the pricefeeds and consume it for their smart contract/ application. which is a centralised point of failure...

If they want to actually consume it as part of a legitimate smartcontract/protocol they need to request the data on chain.... which cost LINK.

this fucking retard is literally years behind. jesus. i hate twitter so much... and that dumb fucking twink chainlinkgod responded like an absolute retard himself while pretending to be so high and mighty without even communicating the above. what a fucking retard. i hate adelyn so much for involving these cunts

>>52782000

thats been obvious to most biz holders for years. why wasnt it obvious to chainlink?

kek wtf is this thread

>>52781386
turns out sergey was just an autist with zero business sense the whole time. sucks to get sucked into a gay cult of personality

>>52782128

nah sergey has a lot of business sense for most things related, but he utterly lacked the people management skills and internal team focus outside of engineer roles.

I think Eric Schmidt knows this much better and is probably steering him through this weakness now

>>52782145
too bad oracles couldn't help him yet lololol

>>52781398
sales works like this
the guy who initially contacted you was probably given a job with commission for everyone he gets in an interview with his seniors, or it might be only if they're successful in the interview. the seniors probably also get a commission

the sales guys can't really tell what the fuck anyone is or does, and they really don't care, so instead they just google chainlink, find every single person they can contact and send out an email saying they want to speak to you, maybe slightly tailoring it to you specifically, then they set up a group meeting as soon as you will agree to with their seniors

they usually have huge quotas with terrible success rates

>>52782054
/biz/ is filtered to the team through the twitter reposts of /biz/ alpha bro thats all they read from here
>>52782024
the space has a huge freerider problem with cex not using blockchains
nfts can be experienced without being purchased.
passive observers dont need to interact with the tech directly.
agree with what you have written anon /biz/ is still miles ahead of the space but the space is trying to go in any direction that does not benefit chainlink and link holders

>>52782284

I'd have agreed reviewing the past 2 years, but its clear that there has been a shift in focus from Sergey this year and particularly the past months and have no doubt its Shmidts influence to a degree.
We got something i never expected, which is community alerting based staking. i strongly feel this was not planned till this year in the current form. seems like a pivot(a good one) to create value for more token holders. to generate some hype or excitement and most importantly a reason to own and talk about the project. I think alerting staking was done for this reason alone. i do not feel like it was a necessary part of staking at this stage, and if you check nodes are getting minted out of it big time as they should.

There was also a huge focus on smart con this year, and adelyns failed community driven marketing for it(she may have been tasked with it but was just shit at her job and years of failure couldnt be fixed). I think sergey was likely pleased with himself with smartcon, then SIBOS right after which he had an interview on air with, along with lots of announcements with sWIFT prior, and Shmidt live. he probably thought this would really help the projects value prospect and get the community fire started again.
What happened?
Adelyn outsourced it all to Twitter again, but in a lazy way. just lazy tweets lost in the algo, shown only to people already obsessed with LINK, along with ChainlinkGod doing his usual midwit takes and failing.

Even fucking QUANT did a better effort on twitter and they had almost no role at sibos. it is pathetic.
Sergey likely realised Adelyns failures here, and we saw 2 weeks later she got removed form the CMO role.
Now the sales team are being raped. This is all good. It shows Sergey is moving forward here and fixing the mess. He's clearly pivoted towards token economics and adding value for holders

>>52782395
>Even fucking QUANT did a better effort on twitter and they had almost no role at sibos. it is pathetic.
Link shills on Twitter were largely responsible for shilling QNT vs LINK when Sibos was on.
>>52782395
>ChainlinkGod doing his usual midwit takes and failing.
I dont understand the point of him. Damage control looks bad. He doesnt code or contribute to community creation beyond attacking crypto heads on Twitter. What's the point? For years now this strategy has been tried and it failed. /biz/ is tapped out. Find a new place to recruit instead of attacking people for wrongthink nigger. I want to see ChainLink communities on every social. Inform people what things are instead of assuming. Blogposts ok but most people dont read them and their inforgraphics are quality like smartcon intro graphics but they dont convey information about what this is.
A tale of two data environments one centralized the other decentralized. What does one offer that the other one does not? break it down so the average potential user understands
por was swept under the rug and all exchanges are going to self attest. wasted opportunity.

>>52782395
>Adelyn outsourced it all to Twitter again, but in a lazy way. just lazy tweets lost in the algo, shown only to people already obsessed with LINK, along with ChainlinkGod doing his usual midwit takes and failing.
more wasted opportunities. why is twitter so important to them? jack is btc web 5 probably writes the algo against eth based projects and elon thinks its funny to shill whatever shitcoin his central banking masters want

Chainlink is a scam. The token is not needed. There is no demand for the "product". There is no good reason to have multi-year lockup staking when literal ponzis like OHM allowed you to unlock at will.

They need to recruit the latest and the greatest Tik Tok stars to shill/explain Chainlink. Normans have an attention of a goldfish and that platform would be perfect to gain mass awareness

>>52782486

No man. i mean, Quant did lame shit ike change their handle to "w're at sibios!!", and walked around interviewing themselves.
utterly poverty marketing, but they put it all on twitter. guess what? it actualy fucking works. thats how this space is. AM is saying Adelyn should have taken this approach? not exactly the same but probably yes! she completely failed for years.
Chainlink had a team including sergey AT sibios. why not fly out and do some on the ground interviews? impressions? make some videos explaining what swift is etc?

Regarding Chaintwinkgod, yeah. he's a midwit, with a superiority complex too. He doesnt even do a good job explaining or dispelling fud. just writes long winded midwit comments. look a the above example in thread.. he does more harm than good. imagine relying on this cunt to manage the community and be a central piece of it

>>52782532
this. i hate it but embrace it. this is where people go.
>>52782538
At the time a number of LINK shill accounts shifted to shilling QNT instead of LINK during Sibos. I felt that was weird along with the failure to take advantage of the event. I see that Sergey likes to do trade talks. who is he reaching that he wouldn't be otherwise?
I think the team have to focus on the chasm most of all.
what is the deal with Dahalia shilling something that looks like a FSS competitor replacement? And guess whats its another solution within a solution and just like Arbotroon has no token.
really strange to see this remove the no token divide and conquer approach to development in crypto

another incredibly subtle "two faggots write out an entire conversation planned in advance" thread. pay dock.

>>52782601
share ideas or fuck off nigger

>>52782024
Yup. So many people thinking "the oracle problem " means "how can my smart contracts make http outcalls?".
It was always a mistake to base any explanation of the oracle problem on Ethereum's inability to make outcalls, because that's not what oracle networks are meant to solve - they just happen to also solve that limitation for Ethereum and other similarly constrained blockchains in passing. The real purpose of a decentralized oracle network (DON) is to ensure data reliability, which is what the oracle problem is about.

>>52782601

>doesnt know what oldfags talking looks like

>>52782626
>>52782610
another pay dock, ask your supervisor for tips

>>52782145
>I think Eric Schmidt knows this much better and is probably steering him through this weakness now

Actually this is a good point and you could be right. This was big issue at Google early days as well -- people forget but early they had a ton of usage but nobody knew how to monetize that.

So, looks like Adelyn is still there but no longer CMO.

Agree with the other poster who said -- they need to be explaining this shit. For example telling people who the fuck SWIFT even is. SWIFT is a big fucking deal but lots of people have barely heard of it.

>>52782395
I sincerely hope that this is a sign of Sergey making some positive changes with how he manages Chainlink. It’s just really disappointing to me that it has taken this long to do. I wonder where things went wrong. Maybe Sergey didn’t have the support he needed for the last few years. Keep in mind that recent hires like Kemal and Dahlia only joined in the last 12 months. I’ve already been pretty impressed with those 2 and I have pretty high hopes for their impact on Chainlink.

But yeah Adelyn’s net impact for Chainlink and their marketing was an absolute disaster. I still cringe thinking about how desperate they ended up being for SmartCon 2022. If there was an effective marketing strategy during her tenure, there’s no way we would have seen the desperation for SmartCon.

>>52782276
>the sales guys can't really tell what the fuck anyone is or does, and they really don't care, so instead they just google chainlink, find every single person they can contact and send out an email saying they want to speak to you,

yes, as i said, I've done enterprise sales myself. Yes, I get it that they are trying to maximize the amount of meetings they get. But I'm just telling you this felt dopey and amateurish. Like sales guy could have at least told gen z assistant dude, "hey so give me a call sheet for all out meetings today with a quick summary of each person."

For what it's worth the thing felt kind of insulting. I cut them some slack because I am a huge fan of the project. But my concern is that they had 7 other meetings that day, and I bet them fucked them up. I was willing to cut them a ton of slack but I think most people wouldnt'.

>>52782658
>another pay dock, ask your supervisor for tips
I guess I forgot to mention it, but this is a "no retard" dumbshit. No one even knows wtf you are talking about tard. Fuck off to your shiba inu thread.

>>52781386
>>52781398
I'm thinking that, perhaps, they believe that an engineer is qualified for sales, which isn't necessarily the case. What you want are relationship managers and closers, who understand a birdseye view of the capabilities of the network; the "sleazy" guys they've been avoiding. Then when some tech questions pop up

>Well hey I'm no rocketologist but if you're interested, I can set up a call with our techies and go through how we can integrate this into your systems

>>52782792
>I'm thinking that, perhaps, they believe that an engineer is qualified for sales, which isn't necessarily the case.

Yeah but just to be clear, senior sales guy had a "relationship manager/closer" vibe. Techie Sales engineer dude (who btw had only been at chainlink about 3 months) was friendly but not too involved in the discussion.

Point being, i think they were TRYING to do what you are describing -- sales guy does most of the initial discussion, with sales engineer standing by -- but they just were doing it in a kind of half-assed, unprepared way.

>>52782626
The fuck nigger no oldfag would waste their time talking about how to shill chainlink to retail go buy dogcoins and kill yourself fucking tourist

>>52781386
Most bullish thread of the whole year.

>>52781386
ll be honest that I am considering it. My body has changed, gained weight and my breasts have gotten significantly larger that makes a lot of my wardrobe not fit at all or at the very least very uncomfortable.

I know I could (and would like to) trim down, but I am also getting married and plan on having children soon, how much will my body change after pregnancy? Can I justify keeping clothes that don't fit well when I can sell them instead?

I don't want to quit lolita, but the thought lingers more than usual these days

>>52782710

The thing is people like Dahlia arent exactly there to fix that. as said, their engineering team is top notch. no real failure there. they have done fantastic.
It's not up to engineers and researchers to explain and have "Instant Finality in Byzantine Generals With Unknown and Dynamic Participation" in a marketable way is it? Google and many companies have tech-writers to do exactly that. Chainlink had... adelyn?

What i think happened was, Sergey was competent and grew the company, but was not so good ad managing people. he was OK at marketing himself imo, even if not great, but trusted his CMO and whatever his HR and sales roasties and managers were doing. bad idea.
He got an army of leeches in the pandemic era work from home productivity slump, a bunch of retarded gen z who have no idea what the product is, and all around, people waking up at 10am, turning on slack, sleeping, taking dog for a walk, 1 hour of work, attending meetings then fucking around for 2 years.

It now comes to light how bad a job these teams have done, and maybe with Schmitd's help is purging and starting over and with a more active role and cracking the whip. hopefully this means all the above suggestions. I believe thats why we are seeing a pivot towards token holder value etc.
I mean sibos... for fuck sake. He had engineers there, presenting, and Sergey himself being interviews, after just announcing a new collaboration with CCIP.
their CMO decided she wanted to work form home, and nobody else was sent there. they could have done many on the ground talks, interviews, explanations, some videos on their youtube about what is SWIFT, how LINK fits in, what this means... unbelievable.

>>52782849
oh so they just sucked. well I dunno man, could be that you didn't have any angle they could work, given you weren't a potential client

>>52782885

well they all got fired, so logic dictates they under performed.

>>52782853
HR roasties should be making tik toks to market link

>>52782904

all they are capable of is making tiktok videos to attract more useless roasties to work for chainlink and do nothing

>>52781386
Thanks, I'll just keep buying my $100 a month since we probably have another decade or 2 of accumulation.

>>52782885
>could be that you didn't have any angle they could work, given you weren't a potential client

Yes agreed, but then they were stupid to reach out to me. Like I said, they reached out and asked me to talk to them at 5 am my time. They didn't seem to be doing any screening at all. The gen z that did the initial outreach seemed kind of dopey, which to me means that the sales lead wasn't doing his job and teaching gen z dude how to qualify leads.

>>52782958
yeah sounds like it

Can you tell me why you guys care about marketing when link is a backend product and it already has proven connections with swift , the dtcc , google , samsung , microsoft ?

>>52783150

can you tell me why Salesforce does adverts and commercials on pleb TV despite being a backend product?

>>52782874
100% agreed, I suspect you’re right about a lot of the recruitment they did over the last couple of years. Schmidt explicitly said “Zoom will kill you” which could be a somewhat diplomatic way of saying “you have a workforce of 100% remote employees who are completely useless”.

I’ve talked about similar things in the previous threads we had about Adelyn and their abysmal marketing strategy (or rather, the lack of any marketing strategy) and it’s just unbelievable how many opportunities have been completely blown at this point.
>>52782695
It’s important to note that people in executive positions like CMO are very rarely fired. Anytime you see an executive “moving on to a new opportunity” then that’s corporate lingo for they got fired. The only scenario where she gets publicly fired is if Chainlink is forced to distance themselves from Adelyn because she did something highly illegal or something that reflects poorly on Chainlink.

>>52782726
wow this is actually pretty bearish. understanding who you’re going to be on the phone with, even a quick linkedin search, is pretty important. “hurr durr well check the website” jfc this is anxiety inducing, think of how many calls they’ve fucked up based on your exposure. gut them all and start small with a few quality sales and marketing teams.

>>52783150
don’t post here again until you have something above room temperature IQ to add to the conversation.

>>52783150
Adding to >>52783177 you can also ask why AWS sponsors F1?

>>52783150
>Can you tell me why you guys care about marketing when link is a backend product and it already has proven connections with swift , the dtcc , google , samsung , microsoft ?

Because they need a ton more. yes, the infrastructure providers who have been thinking about this for years, especially in financial services, seem super interested. But chainlinks goal is to be the solution for the whole world. Walmart and ExxonMobil and Disney and Home Depot should all be using chainlink.

When it was getting started, google didn't just sit on its ass -- they went out and aggressively sold google adds to as many enterprises as they could.

>>52782740
you're just losing more money every time you post, you're genuinely too low IQ to even follow the basic script they give you

>>52783272

This thread just put me off from buying more link. Thanks for the realistic outlook guys, I'll buy quant for now

>>52783222
>jfc this is anxiety inducing, think of how many calls they’ve fucked up based on your exposure

yeah, I mean I hate to say it, but this is basically my sentiments exactly. This call did not really inspire confidence. I mean, sales dude could have said something like "so, while I have you, what is your sense of how your industry thinks about blockchain, or smart contracts" IOW he could have taken a few minutes to ask a fan of chainlink for more info on the market. Instead he mostly just seemed like he wanted to get off the phone. So, I mean, ok, I guess. But dude -- YOU CALLED ME. I didn't ask for this, and, sorry to keep harping on this, but I did you a favor by waking up at 5 am.

BTW, sales dude was a pretty senior dude, had done enterprise sales for oracle in ireland or something.

IMHO not sure if it's "bearish" exactly but it did feel like serious growing pains.

Someone above made the point that chainlink team seems to be GREAT at recruiting engineers and other tech/science folks. But they seem less great at recruiting the sales and marketing side.

Again, hoping Eric Schmidt can help Sergey get past this.

Also, the website is.... good, but ask yourself, if you were talking to a smart, tech/business savvy friend, would you send them to the chainlink website? They are talking about problems, e.g. connecting different blockchains, that make sense to people in the space, but mean nothing to folks, even tech folks, who aren't dealing with blockchain day to day.

>>52783272
>you're just losing more money every time you post, you're genuinely too low IQ to even follow the basic script they give you

What part about "no retards in this thread" are you unclear on dumbshit? Everyone reading this is losing braincells reading your stupidity.

>>52783348

He’s a twitterfag who can’t understand what is going on

>>52783317
I think your comments are valid about their website, someone else touched on it earlier I think but I think a consistent problem Chainlink has had for years is how much they assume about what people know. Virtually no one knows what SWIFT is, yet, Chainlink never bothers to explain why working with them is actually a big deal in a way that the layman can appreciate. More often than that they knee deep in technical jargon that basically no one understands, let’s be perfectly honest.
>Instant Finality in Byzantine Generals With Unknown and Dynamic Participation
Even when I saw this I thought it was an absolutely ridiculous headline, who on earth thought that was a good idea? Given that Chainlink is building stuff that basically has no other prior work or precedent to rely on, that made Adelyn’s job have certain requirements. Adelyn’s job for the last 5 years was to educate the masses on oracles. Her job should have been quite simple: make oracles a ubiquitous term when anyone thinks of blockchains and cryptocurrencies and make sure the masses understand what problems an oracle solve and why that’s a big deal. Communicate that with all the easy to digest abstractions like the usual “oracles provide an internet connection to blockchains” or whatever. I don’t care how she did it, it was her job to figure that out and it feels like the industry has never been dumber and more ignorant of oracles.

>>52783348
>>52783362
way too obvious, you're going to end up even poorer than you already are if you don't actually learn to do your job properly

You stinknigger faggots still haven't figured it out? lol

>>52783407
>way too obvious,
retard, I asked you a question. When a non-retard asks you a question, you answer it. When a non-retard tells you to leave, you leave.

Go back to your tent under the overpass and smoke your meth and try not to light your fellow methheads on fire.

>>52783437
Get out of this thread, filthy nigger

>>52781386
It's a glownigger project through and through, it's a literal front for the digitisation of every for the Powers-That-Be,
>2 man project!
puurlease, don't lose sleep trying to make sense of what they do, rest assured that it's all calculated and they LOVE to be seen as incompetent it gives them an unlimited pass to do things that don't make sense, no of course they don't make sense to an outsider looking in.

You people are insufferable at this point. First of all, this article is incredibly poorly written, guy still doesn't even understand what oracles do and he's supposed to be managing editor at one of the leading crypto news websites. Says more about the state of this industry. Second of all, this 'institutional sales team' is likely a small team that was quickly put together in the hiring frenzy of the bull market. Now that we're in a bear market and with institutions scared off by the FTX shitstorm, it is perfectly normal for a business to re-evaluate priorities and resources management. It means more focus on what's currently important and they still have a massive crypto sales team and massive runway. It's normal to be more conservative during the bear market.

>>52784030
thank you captain obvious

>>52783635
Kill yourself, inbred stinknigger.

>>52784123
no u
Whats wrong with you, opening and seething in threads about a token you dont care about

>>52784030
>here's why x is bullish
never ending linkie cope

>>52781928
I mean everything you said here is correct...but you realize that even with decent marketing and sales 1k eoy was never going to happen, right?
Lets say with a solid team maybe the token's price performance could have done 50% better or so. Which is a lot of extra money flowing in to offset the dumping.
While link definitely underperformed badly, it's not like the best case scenario was everyone making it off link if they didn't sell last bull run. Nothing really changes other than people who sold at the right time would have had more money.

>>52781386
>1. Need to do much better describing WTF chainlink is and what it does. Have gone to a few chainlink meetups and there were tech folks there and even they were like "wait, how is this different from an API where I can just get the data" Talked to a dude form advertising agency who was there and he said "look these folks are obviously smart, but they just do NOT know how to explain what this is or how it benefits a business"
no shit. it's not just explaining, you have to brainwash people into thinking they need chainlink when in reality they already know they don't
T still NN

>>52782395
>He's clearly pivoted towards token economics and adding value for holders
I srsly doubt he cares for the token holders at all bro

It's a big team

>>52783177
checked do you think Adelyn is the reason for the bad PA of the last two years or is it the early network state?

>>52781386
1 and 2 are surprisingly related. They don't define it or explain it well to laymen and sales are typically non-technical so their sales people are probably reddit tier. If we are the one tiny corner of the internet that gets it.. it is unlikely their sales people will.

>>52784843
for you

Everything chainlink labs barely touches turns into gold. And this is more than touch, this is pure stake

Linkniggers are unironically pathetic
In this thread you do the bizdev shit discussing the pivot that actual Chainlink employees are supposed to do and are paid so

What do Chainnigger link holders do get? The worst 24 months token price performance ever, no acknowledgement by anyone, and increasing mental illness
Just know that Chainlink employees actually get a salary paid out, they get their health care paid out, they get an additional entry in their CV at “supposedly” cutting edge startup, down the road hiring managers don’t even give a fuck if it went bankrupt
Yet linkniggers sit in their basements and making their CV hole bigger and bigger “muh 81k, we will dab on wage niggers muh”
Doing chainshit employees job at some shithole website for free
Actually they even pay for it with their own life, money and opportunity cost loss. This Russian money grab unironically works by funneling the life force out of mentally ill shutins

This fat fucked convinced you to make all you rich and instead he keeps you hostage and torments your sanity

>>52785212
I don’t appreciate you calling me the N word, glad they fired racist like u

>>52783150
>duuuuuuuuuude why does anyone need to know about muh heckin secret!

Here comes the culties. They aint the sharpest tools in the shed

>>52783222
Exactly. Hearing this is incredibly bearish but confirms what a lot of us have been saying. Its amateur hour at CL on the business side

>>52782507
There is no multi year lockup you dumb fucking nigger

>>52785212
the only sanity that seems to be tormented is yours
you had 2 years btw

>>52785363
Somebody once told me that link is gonna pay me
I ain't the sharpest poo in the shack
He'll be looking kinda dumb when sergey starts to dump
In the year 23 on his forehead

Well, the dumps start comin' and they don't stop comin'
Fed to the wolves and he hit the ground stakin'
Didn't make sense not to stake for fun
Your brain gets smart but your head gets dumb
Such much to lose, so much to stake
So what's wrong with taking Sergey's brapheaps?
You'll never know if you don't go
You'll never shine if you don't glow!

Hey now, you're a paypig
Get your stake on, go pay
Hey now, you're a linkpig
Get the stake on, let Sergey get paid
(And that glitters is gold)
Only linksisters pay in full

It's a cool place, and they say it gets colder
You're bundled up now, wait 'till you get older
But the Chainlink men beg to differ
Judging by the hole in their account scripture
The ice they skate is gettin' pretty thin
The water's gettin' warm so they might as well swim
My LINK's on fire, how 'bout yours?
That's the way I like it and I'll never get bored

Hey now, you're a paypig
Get your stake on, go pay
Hey now, you're a linkpig
Get the stake on, don't get paid
(And that glitters is gold)
Only linksisters pay in full

>>52785541
Bet you’re here for 5 years what do you tell your family/friends if you have any, why do you in these countless hours sitting on this anime website

You have spend basically your life there, you probably a millionaire by now right? This would have made it worth it. Wait your -90%. Just another 2-5 years. Then it will be worth it

yay
for the first time in like what...3-4 years now? we can actually have real, critical discussions about link.
i guess post-staking it's time to fucking get real for once since we can't just pretend every criticism is a paid shill from bulgaria.
actually looking forward to the next year because there is A LOT of shit that needs to be hammered out about what went wrong, and what needs to be done in the future.

>>52786026
I think you're underestimating the bots and paid shills. They shit up everything.

NEXO IS INSOLVENT - GET YOUR FUNDS OFF OF NEXO IMMEDIATELY.

These link threads are a last ditch attempt to save the company. God be with anyone with anything on nexo, they are completely insolvent.

>>52786457
thank you based clg
this post brought to you by panicking cl ambassadros

>>52786026
>>52786449
>>52786457
there it is

Let me sum up for you link chuds

TOKEN NOT NEEDED

This is good news and bad news. Good news in that Sergey finally realizes which part of the company is dragging it down, bad news in that it took Sergey so long and has missed some opportunity because of it.

CLL shills btfo. This proves that they don't have the huge backing the LINK shills pretend they do and that they are performing poorly.

>>52787275
>bad news in that it took Sergey so long and has missed some opportunity because of it.
its water under the dam at this point

>>52787733
D-doesn't water underneath a dam compromise the structural integrity of the whole dam?

>>52787275
>Sergey finally realizes which part of the company is dragging it down
Chainlink did very well with institutional interest and adoption though.

>>52786026
Yes, this was such an enlightening and organic thread! So refreshing. I too got called by an outsourced disinterested zoomer sales wagie this morning trying to sell me Chainlink without much vigor; and I'm not even in the IT business! I shake in my boots when I think of how many bridges they have burned by letting these third rate sales zoomies reach out to big players. It's important that we discuss and highlight this on /biz/ so the Chainlink ambassadors skulking around here can take note and hire actual sales tigers!

>>52782000
checked. sad thing is most link holders would gladley fill in this role. i myself want to get involved in web 3 but have no fucking money and have no idea how to run a start up.

>>52786026
>we can actually have real, critical discussions about link.
Link has been bombarded with fud like nothing else for many years now, what the actual fuck are you talking about.
If anything, it's high time everyone stop being so insanely hypercritical of Chainlink, while completely ignoring the rest of crypto.
At least until it's top 4.

>>52782486
>por was swept under the rug and all exchanges are going to self attest. wasted opportunity.
kek i got fucking banned from the TG bringing this up. All i got back from the retard community advocate was witty remarks.

>>52787924
>>por was swept under the rug
What the fuck is wrong with you people, Sergey shilled PoR like nothing else.

>>52787942
Should've made a billboard anon. I wish they hired the dog with bat dev so we could get some actual marketing in this amateur hour kiddie playground sweatshop of a team

>>52787942
no he didnt mother fucker. Even CZ got in on the twitter talks with that mario nefal scammer. They could have had Chainlink faggot.retard go in thier and shill the tech to the 40k people listening in. They chose to ban me when i was bitching about it in the TG. Now that i think about it the advocates are doing that shit so they dont look bad and can keep their jobs

>>52787970
yeah, instead of official twitter channels they use some literal whos with frogs to shill this shit. totally unprofessional and childish.

>>52787959
>>52788025
>>52787970
>no he didnt

You people are too retarded to be real.

>>52783192
shes not fired. she got moved to something else

>>52787942
>Buzz word rapid fire tweets no one reads is an effective marketing campaign

Idiot

>>52788048
sergey is the only one in the company not retarded. the marketing and sales is abysmal. let's not get into the developers that take ages to finish the simplest of functions.
seriously, every fucking company has a channel on twitter that engages with customers and others itself. noooooo, not chainling, we're too god for that, we use FROGS!

>>52788075
>>Buzz word rapid fire tweets
what about >>52788048

>>52788088
>the marketing and sales is abysmal.
Then why is Chainlink the most adopted and used crypto in existence, MAYBE behind ETH?

>>52788048
no one watches CNBC on TV. Only people that saw that were the ones who know what link is you fucking mutt. They had a chance to shill POR to 40k people that got robbed by a kike and the chose to not do anything. as a matter of fact you sound like that stupid faggot josh in the TG

>>52788174
>no one watches CNBC on TV
here comes the turbocope

>>52788181
are you happy with the way things are right now?

>>52788201
And there's the redirect.

>>52781398
The more a crypto company grows the more useless niggers like that end up in core positions.
The real problem of Chainlink, like many 2017 ICO is that they have too much fucking money and are not hungry at all with ETH >1000, even more with 650 millions tokens minted for free they could sell for an average of 25 a piece.

If you look at the timeline they were at their peak JUST before they hired these ultra expensive HR roasties (who probably hired all the "institutional team") and conquered DeFi at this time.

Hindsight is always 10/10 but he should have bought Arbitrum (at least partially) at this time and keep expanding in Ethereum/Defi instead of hiring all those useless eaters.

>>52788208
i didnt redirect anything. im not happy the way things are. the team is not performing in my opinion. Are do you think its okay the way things are, simple question.

>>52788236
>im not happy the way things are
"Things"?
We were talking specifically about Sergey marketing PoR.

>the team is not performing in my opinion
Then your opinion is shit, because Chainlink has the highest crypto adoption these past 2 years, and the biggest and most concrete real world prospects.

>>52788256
it doesn't mean anything when the price isnt high to secure against 51% attacks. So in my opinion yeah the sergey is not performing

no you're cherry picking one time sergey did a paid interveiw on CNCB. a channel and twitter no one watches.
>inb4 32k views
if you think thats accepable then you need to get fired from the team. You are part of the problem on why they are underperforming.

>>52788325
>it doesn't mean anything when the price isnt high
After virtually every single news, Link pumps.
Guess what also happens after virtually every single news.

>you're cherry picking one time sergey did a paid interveiw on CNCB
You said he didn't shill PoR hard as fuck.
I proved that he did.

>>52788349
you think 32k views is acceptable ?

>>52788325
don't argue with these fanbois. they don't understand criticism and can't handle it.

>>52788325
Stop with the pilpul, you got got.

>>52788325
>it doesn't mean anything when the price isnt high to secure against 51% attacks. So in my opinion yeah the sergey is not performing
>51% attacking an ERC token
Holy shit... This is the level of blockchain knowledge by the people trying to FUD us out of our investment. I'm fucking astounded by the fact that this is the SECOND time in 1 month that someone trotted out this absolute inane reason for why Chainlink's price is bad for the network

>>52788325
>CNBC
>a channel and twitter no one watches
fuck off retard

>>52788382
its becoming more clear to me now these advocates are shutting down criticism because they want to keep their kushy jobs and not get bitched out.

>>52788388
>>52788410
>>52788443
discord in full panic mode

>>52788444
yeah, i'm still in LINK but at this point i'd guess that about half of CLL employees are just bloat if not more.
all these fucking fanbois and shit in the depth of bearmarket is probably not natural.

GET FUCKED WAGIE!

>>52788463
When you can’t even admit a very basic case of the BTFOs, it’s time to go outside and touch grass.

>>52788463
EXPLAIN TO ME HOW ONE WOULD 51% ATTACK AN ERC TOKEN ANON. I'M ALL EARS. PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME YOU FUCKING CRETIN

Anyways, I just staked. Thanks for keeping me entertained today while I waited.

>>52788521
you dont get spoon fed you mutt

>>52788538
Just admit that you're a fucking brainlet who doesn't know the first thing about blockchains retard. I bet you are the same mongoloid that brought it up last time too.

>>52781682
kek. my sources say biz is a nigger filled shithole.

>>52788521
>the price has absolutely nothing to do with sybil attacks durrr
>heh, super linear staking was created to address sybil attacks? hurrr
>wdym blockchain agnostic, it's an erc20!! can't get sybil attacked lmao
>hurrrr this is the level of blockchain knowledge from the fudders bors!!!1
dunning-kruger; the post
educate yourself you absolute moron, price is a huge deal for security and that's why they introduced super linear staking in the first place
ffs

>>52789076
>whitepaper 1.0
>no you can't use super linear staking as an argument because I inb4'ed it!
Kek. CL outlines multiple ways to reduce the attractiveness of attack vectors in their 2.0 whitepaper, but as a rule you can just require more stake the more valuable a contract is. Price is low? Well that means you need more LINK to satisfy the staking requirements of the contract. Potentially gaining $10m from fucking with a contract is worthless if it costs $11m in slashed LINK/bribes to accomplish it.

A 51% attack on a permissionless blockchain looks and functions way different from a 51% attack on a DON. As such Chainlink can employ other defenses besides higher price = better sybil resistance.

>dunning-kruger; the post
Ironic.

>>52781386
>I hate to say it but was not impressed.
You don’t say…

>>52787784
>It's important that we discuss and highlight this on /biz/ so the Chainlink ambassadors skulking around here can take note and hire actual sales tigers!

this but unironically. I actually hope somebody from CLL does read this. Not sure how many sales calls they are listening in on.

>>52789734
>more stake the more valuable a contract is.
which removes link of of circulation and pushes the price up and makes it more expensive to perform said attack you fucking CLL advocate moron

>>52788181
>turbocope

no man, that would be the price action, which is the ONLY thing that matters

>>52788165
and how are you making money off of this? Being in a cult on the world's loser hangout isn't helping

>>52790002
Yes. That proves my point, not yours. Right now there are no contracts to push the price up, hence token price is even more irrelevant for sybil resistance unlike what you claimed here >>52788325
>it doesn't mean anything when the price isnt high to secure against 51% attacks. So in my opinion yeah the sergey is not performing
The more mature the network, the more value captured. The more value captured, the more LINK needed to secure DONs. The more LINK needed to secure DONs, the higher the price of LINK since it has a finite supply.

>>52790119
so your point is that its ok the price is low after six years?

>>52790250
In terms of network security, yes. It is totally ok. Investment wise, I think x30 after five years is pretty good.
By the way, can you tell me why you fudders always add +1 year? Isn't half a decade long enough? Why lie and make it 6 years? I see this very often.

>>52790294
because its fiver years and we are in December.
you are ok with a x30 after fiver years in crypto or irl for that matter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSN-I8WzF6E

I PUSH MY LINKIES INTOO MYY
EEEEEEEEYEES
IT'S THE ONLY THING
THAT SLOWLY STOPS THE ACHE
BUT IT'S MADE OF ALL
THE DUMPS I HAVE TO
TAAAAAAAAAAAKE
WITH SERGEY IT NEVER ENDS
HE WORKS HIS WAY
INSIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE
IF THE DUMPS GO ON
HUUUUUUUUUUERRRGH

i have screamed as the price collapsed
i've waited as staketime's elapsed
now all i do is live with so much steak
i've wished for this, i've bitched at that
i've left behind this little fact
you cannot kill what you didn't fake

i've gotta dump what i've gotta dump
and then i swear link will pump
but i can't promise you'll enjoy the price
i guess i'll save the rug for last
my future seems like one big past
you're left with link 'cause you left serg' no choice

I PUSH MY LINKIES INTOO MYY
EEEEEEEEYEES
IT'S THE ONLY THING
THAT SLOWLY STOPS THE
AAAAAAAACHE
IF THE DUMPS GO ON
I'M NOT GONNA MAKE IT

put link back together
or separate the shadow from fork
leave me all the linkies
then you can have sergey's pork
tell me the reality
is better than the dream
but i'll find out the hard way
NOTHING IS WHAT IT SEEMS

I PUSH MY LINKIES INTOO MYY
EEEEEEEEYEES
IT'S THE ONLY THING
THAT SLOWLY STOPS THE
AAAAAAAACHE
BUT IT'S MADE OF ALL
THE DUMPS I HAVE TO
TAAAAAAAAAAAKE
WITH SERGEY IT NEVER ENDS
HE WORKS HIS WAY
INSIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE
IF HIS DUMPS GO ON
I'M NOT GONNA MAKE IT

LINKS I'VE GOT
THE LINK I'VE GOT ARE WORTHLESS
LINKS I'VE GOT
THE LINK I'VE GOT ARE WORTHLESS
LINKS I'VE GOT
THE LINK I'VE GOT ARE WORTHLESS
LINKS I'VE GOT
THE LINK I'VE GOT ARE WORTHLESS

I PUSH MY LINKIES INTOO MYY
EEEEEEEEYEES
IT'S THE ONLY THING
THAT SLOWLY STOPS THE
AAAAAAAACHE
BUT IT'S MADE OF ALL
THE DUMPS I HAVE TO
TAAAAAAAAAAAKE
WITH SERGEY IT NEVER ENDS
HE WORKS HIS WAY
INSIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE
IF HIS DUMPS GO ON
I'M NOT GONNA MAKE IT

>>52790393
That makes it 5 years. x30 is an absurd amount. Do I wish it was more? Yes. But I'm also not delusional or entitled.

>sales
sales of what?

>>52781594
>Im excited to see what 2023 brings for Chainlink.

An SEC lawsuit for an unregistered security sale, followed by the useless LINK shitcoin getting delisted everywhere and blacklisted from DEXs.Then the staking contract gets hacked, and linkcels live-stream their suicides.

>>52781398
i estimate that 95% of the people working at CLL don't even know what their company does

>>52782695
>people forget but early they had a ton of usage but nobody knew how to monetize that
they were run by two engineers that optimized for features and technical excellence, shutting down every idea of bonus hungry types that didn't improve the lives of users. that was the golden age, where everyone wanted to work at google. the bonus locusts got in one day with promises of "scaling" and ruined the whole thing

sad to see adoption used as a fallback for chainlinklabs damage control. who uses these services?
You are saying its bullish that the same group of ETH devs made so many shit coins that all went to zero
>but anon thats a real metric
real question time. no cherry picking.
how much usage does the average adoption bring?
how can a community as poor as the great link marines who shilled chainshit from rank 100+ into the top twenty only to see it fall from grace thanks to company bloat help usage?
how am I supposed to use chainlink partners if my LINK is staked with no option to withdraw?
every system is determined by input fair enough you get input through adoption but how much usage do these projects get?
It seems to me that the same group of devs creating eth shitcoins to rob the public could be the same ones behind the creation of these adopTOORS. Problem for them is that LINkies are so poor or locked in the cuck cage they cant engage with these new products. win for link token holders. a loss for the company and the scammers. of they are scammers.
the scams like moab ladyluck and volt inu were all created to slander chainlink and fuck with them. thats why the paid fudders always mention them and never any of these other new partners

>>52784908
>checked do you think Adelyn is the reason for the bad PA of the last two years or is it the early network state?

A crypto token with nothing but a vaguely written whitepaper and a clean and fresh chart on TradingView is the most bullish financial instrument in the entire fucking world. You can sell hopes and dreams to retarded plebs and they lap it right up. The closer a project gets to completion and the more price action that occurs, the less hope there is to sell to bagholders. The fact that it is still in an early network state is bullish, but Adelyn didn't capitalize on this as she is a retarded gook.

>>52787784
I mean more generally rather than making any comment specifically on this particular thread. Because there's just so much that's gone wrong the past two years.
The time is now rather than later to thoroughly address the circus rather than watch more opportunity be squandered.

>>52787847
The fact that crypto is such a joke and link is in the position its in today really speaks to the failures of the team imo.
Also speaks to the failures of the community to really address such issues and leave them to fester, rather than point them out. Just because we all thought it didn't matter since we already had the winning lotto ticket and all these things were trivial(they were not, and are not).

>>52790294
It's crypto. Relative performance is what matters here.
The sector got to around 3 trillion market cap at one point.
It's also one of the most retarded phases in human history.
But some things are actually good and solve problems. Very few, but they exist. It should be easy to stand out among a crowd of retards when you're one of the few non-retards.
But you can't do it passively. You can't expect people just to know.
It's like Chainlink participated in the Special Olympics and got a participation medal, and we should be proud of that or something.

>>52793738
This is true. Any half decent marketing team should be able to take the potential of link, package it up and get link into the top ten easy.
Then after that it gets a bit harder, there really shouldn't be much of a limit.
It feels more like Sergey et al actually unconsciously suppress the potential because everyone knows crypto is such a joke over all, and they're trying too early to separate themselves from it. Even though it's the easy part of the journey before actually having to take on the world.

>4 posts in a row
Yikes

>>52794334
share ideas or fuck off nigger

>>52794981
>16pbtid over 22 hours

>>52795139
I care about Chainlink and want it to succeed. Does this offend you?

>>52795139
>YOU CANT JUST PARTICIPATE IN THIS THREAD STTTOOOOOOOOOPP IT!!!!!!!

notice the uptick in link spam anons?
the shills and fudders are the same group doing a shit job. they are fucking me over at this point

It's ogre