/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>52742120
Yeah I don't understand how coding can be such a lucrative job, honestly. I "learned to code" in like a month...as a hobby. I never tried to work in any industry because I don't need the money, but I mean it just doesn't make sense to me. And shit is getting more and more automated, streamlined, and code is becoming perpetually higher level. So yeah, I'm with you, I really don't understand how that's going to remain the lucrative career it is now into the moderate-term future

>>52742181

Because you didn't actually "learn to code" any more than a kid who learned to draw his first shapes suddenly knows how to architect a home blueprint

>>52742181
It took you a month to learn to code? I learned 5 languages in a couple of days. I could probably get a FAANG job but I'm content jerking off and watching anime.

>>52742210
only 5?
I learned 20 languages in 24 hours

>>52742200
No. I have a full knowledge of web development, including MERN, python, obviously javascript. I know and have deployed smart contracts using solidity. I ran a chainlink node way back in the day and made some money from that. I've coded video games using both unreal and unity. I'm plenty acquainted with coding. Not sure how something that's essentially a slightly lucrative hobby for young people today can turn into such a huge career for people in the future.

>>52742210
>couple of days
NGMI. I created my own language and compiler in 10 seconds.

>>52742210
It took me a month to learn MERN web development. I already knew some basics of coding because if you're under 40 you likely had computer classes, and either took classes about coding in school or learned a little bit on your own time when you were young. Like in the 90s I used to code shit in visual basic or whatever when I was a little kid

>>52742240

>"I learned to code" in like a month as a hobby
>ok then you didn't actuall learn professional software engineering
>WELL ACKSHUALLY I DID ALL OF THESE [INSERT BUZZWORD PROJECTS HERE]

I don't really get what you're doing in this thread

>>52742181
this statement is basically proof that you don't know a single aspect about the scope of computer science.
being able to type some fancy letters into PyCharm and pressing "the play button" is not what it's about anon.

>>52742240
You sound insufferable

>>52742257
It sounds like you're really just sorta mad

Like clockwork, all the codeshitters are in my thread

>>52742279

No I just don't understand who you're trying to be, "cool boy who codes for fun" or "guy who actually put serious time investment into coding"

>>52742120
"Displacement syndrome paychologist" to justify the continued bennies support of migrants once their kids age out of being eligible child support at 18. Day godda keep dem bennies flowin'.... Check it.

>>52742258
>>52742274
Nah I'm good bros and I have a pretty deep breadth of knowledge about the subject, but I think you're both just upset at the prospect that your careers might become redundant in the future. Which is understandable, but don't shoot the messenger.

That's just the reality that you're going to have to face as society changes and moves into a world where young people code their own video games as a hobby. For fun. Coding knowledge is just becoming more mainstreamed, as well as more automated

>>52742233
I shoved the ethernet into my belly button and already participated in the singularity. The cord wasn't even plugged in

>>52742290
The point is that society is changing and people code now as a hobby. So you would presume, in the longterm, that the demand for coders in industry is going to be different

>Learn to prostitute

The next big thing will be unironically learn to cook because cookers are dying or quitting way faster than they can be replaced, also people are being increasingly aware of goyslop killing them slowly

>>52742318

I have a lot of friends and don't know a single living breathing soul that sits around and codes for fun. The people who actually enjoy it are rare, and actively working in software. Why wouldn't you, enjoying this puts you into the 90th percentile of SWEs from the start, might as well make north of $150k to do so.

>>52742120
I guess you can't really go wrong learning a trade/valuable practical skill if we're really about to enter mad max world like everybody seems to think. People are always gonna want plumbing and electricity

>>52742181
>>52742200
what if its not that lucrative to begin with? what if its a grift coming from code camps, universities, youtube channels (the shit that tought u what a loop does) and even goverments who can outsource every normal job.
>t. learned to code as a child becaue both are my parents are engineers (real ones, germans even imagin that)

>>52742301
>That's just the reality that you're going to have to face as society changes and moves into a world where young people code their own video games as a hobby. For fun. Coding knowledge is just becoming more mainstreamed, as well as more automated
Pretty much this. Of all the children I speak to I don't know any under the age of 10 that haven't got some kind of rudimentary coding knowledge. I know 12 year olds who have the coding ability of professionals working in SF and have developed their own RPG's from scratch.

>>52742341
I don't need any money so that's why I never tried to be in this business. I make money as a trader and always have for nearly a decade now. But I think if you're not aware of people who code for fun the problem might be that you're older

>>52742364

I'm in my 20's and a SWE myself, 99.9% of people do not code for fun. Not even 10% of people in CS majors code for fun. This is not something that's fun until you've gotten to a point of expertise where you can actually build cool things with it and even then, not enough motivation for most people. Most people watch TV and play video games for fun... lol.

>>52742356

It is without a doubt the most lucrative career field outside of education-intense professional fields like medicine and law. That's not even a point of contention. Supply of decent engineers is not keeping up with demand as your entire world continues to undergo mass virtualization.

>>52742397
Nah not from what I've seen. Coding knowledge is becoming pretty standard. I'd liken it to people who can repair their own car. So I'm sure you'll still be able to make a living as a coder in the future, but I think your living will be more on par with the living a mechanic makes, instead of the living we presently associate with coding. Of course, I could be wrong, this is just my prediction.

>>52742363
>I know 12 year olds who have the coding ability of professionals working in SF and have developed their own RPG's from scratch
Pretty believable given the state most AAA games come out in these days

>>52742240
kek, this is a good troll anon. good job

>>52742420

>people who can repair their own car

The 1% of people who know how to repair their own car? Have you ever been around a Westerner? Because this could only be coming from the 3rd world where people actually bother to learn practical things on their own

For about 5 years, it will be "just make content" and then nothing.

>>52742492
Sad state of affairs but this is probably the answer

Not completely done yet. the AI is still kind of retarded. Going to be manually building on bitDAO's mantle network. Not letting no AI take my shit.

>>52742258
>this statement is basically proof that you don't know a single aspect about the scope of computer science.

>>52742120
learn to kneecap

>>52742409
>It is without a doubt the most lucrative career field outside of education-intense professional fields like medicine and law

no it's just zogged as shit in USA, and has destroyed countless city's economies. You think it's any coincidence SWE only became so lucrative right after they started taking control of the industry? Half of these companies don't even produce value or make a profit lol

>>52742181
> I "learned to code" in like a month...as a hobby.
You didn't lol, you learned some basic concepts and syntax.

>>52742210
Underage

>>52742409
its ironic that people who just finished business school or similar programs, who basically hoped out of statistics classes cant see thru this stuff. u know what is another very lucrative job? investment banking... i witnessed the following type on conversation many times. guy A comes from a poor/midclass background and just got his law/business degree talks to guy B whos family members actually do work as banking managers. it always goes the same way... guy A daydreams about how much he will make at his first gig and guy B always tells them that this is not how shit works at were his daddy works. nobody ever gets a fuckin job from which normal people would retire in 5 years, u have to put in the hours, u will be paid shitty (yes even in investment banking management blabla positions). i have so many friends who talk big like this and even got those jobs. few weeks ago i made a little inheritance of a cool 500k. all my frens went cuckface about it :O. strang thought this is what they make for a month of work ;)))

>>52742181
>I learned to code in like a month
lol.. lmao even

>>52742683

Sounds like a shit Europe problem.

Non-tech American companies pay more to SWEs than their finance/marketing/ops people. I know because I work in a fortune 50 company, the tech people make the most aside from the executive/upper-upper management.

The amount of productivity you can unlock with tech is insane and most companies haven't really reached a point of diminishing return.

>>52742341
>I have a lot of friends and don't know a single living breathing soul that sits around and codes for fun.

nobody enjoys it. anyone who does it tries to get promoted so they dont have to code any more.

>>52742896
i do. i write my little python scripts for business stuff, taxes and i am always really happy and proud of it and nobody can have them (private github repos)

>>52742562
It is easier to become vlogger/youtuber than astronaut
vlogger/youtuber can earn more than astronaut
vlogger/youtuber can provide more value to society than astronaut

>>52742120
>What is the "learn to code" of the 2020s going to be?

"You have a bullshit job"
(which includes a lot of coding jobs lol)

>>52742485
> ITT: people who pull numbers out of their ass

>>52742363
Why do you know 12 year olds?

>>52742485
IDK I do all my own auto work too and most men who I grew up with also do. Anyway, if even 1% of the population can code then you're not going to be nearly as in demand as you have been

i like coding but i fucking hate the interviews so much.. i WISH it was just leetcode and system design like in USA but in Asia and Europe every company has their own shitty process that you cannot really predict
today i had to code post api, some tests, small frontend, dockerize them etc in 1 hour while being watched on shared screen... i could do it but the code was obviously so shitty because there was only one hour
i have pretty comfy coding job in a startup but i want to try something new too, these interviews makes me not want to change
with leetcode you can at least prepare for multiple companies

>>52742120
>learn to cope

>>52742719
>>52742854
MERN full stack for web dev. 1 month. I had rudimentary knowledge of coding prior, like all millennials and genZ do. So you may be older, potentially, and imagining the world of the 90s or 2000s where most people don't just inherently have some basic grasp of coding because computers weren't as widespread

>>52743151
>>52743129

You guys are really sitting there and trying to tell me anyone but the most strange outliers are coding and repairing their cars for fun? Literally have you ever been to the United States? People are excessively lazy and useless here.

I don't even get the point of this larp

>>52742240
>>52742256
So you had prior exposure and picked up a new stack. You didn’t do this from 0 in a month. And I don’t believe you even thoroughly learned all of that in a year. Any retard can follow a tutorial and build a simple static website and claim they “learned” how to program. You’re just backtracking cuz people are calling you out. Shut the fuck up

>>52743047
>vlogger/youtuber can provide more value to society than astronaut
kys

>>52743232

I mean, not only are people starting to do less in general, they're starting to do shit like pay someone $20-40 to go pick up their fast food or groceries. The absolute state of this society

>>52742884
Most non tech fortune 100s are still trying to modernize and fully embrace “the cloud” and that’s been around for over a decade at this point. Anons on biz are literally clueless about SWE job security. This shit isn’t going anywhere no matter how much doom posting they do

>>52742257
>software
>engineering

Pick one

>>52743180
>I had rudimentary knowledge of coding prior, like all millennials and genZ do.
yes everyone who got CS degree do.

>>52743327

first thing anyone who doesn't know anything about this field says

>>52743282
How's that different to a billionaire paying 300k to some coder

>learn to AI
>learn to nurse
>learn to diversity

>>52743232
The ricer crowd had been around before Fast and Furious came out, so yes, many people are fixing their own cars and also ruining them.
I would imagine that there are several thousands of people who code for fun. They're not making the next big thing, but they're dicking around with mobile apps or scripting shitty shooters.

>>52743367

How is this a response to what I just said? People are starting to do less and less themselves, not going out and learning more on their own volition. Back when cars were a newer thing and more rudimentary, more people knew how to do basic car work because they had to. When computers were rudimentary, people knew how to use the command line and basic computer/OS repair work. As time goes on, the machine becomes easier to use, and the average user stupider, and lazier, not the other way around. Anon ITT is a fucking dumbass

>>52743411

>several thousands
>out of 350 million+

So as I said, about 0.5%

>>52742120
Skilled trades related to home building and renovations

>>52743390
>learn to wipe poor elderly boomers asses for minimum wage

>>52742562
Space is fake anyway. Typical lying chinese.

>>52743412
I don't think that's laziness, most people are not lazy, they just don't care

>>52743146
why do you project sinister meaning, pedophile?

>>52743464

Apathy or laziness, semantics don't matter, yes the point is they're just going to do less if they can. People think I'm a wizard when I replace a faucet.

>>52743251
The point is everyone has a basic knowledge of coding now. That's the point I'm making to you. Knowing how to code is just the norm now. Not knowing how to code is the minority because they teach coding in basic public school now. You learn it as part of highschool curriculum.

So you're talking from the point of view of a babyboomer who grew up with typing classes on typewriters, rather than coding classes on computers

>>52743564

They teach history, geography, and grammar too and people don't know a fucking thing about it a week after being taught

>>52743595
People know all of those things and they also know coding

>>52743621

They absolutely fucking do not, ffs. I'm surrounded by intelligent, college educated friends and peers who cannot point out some of the most basic countries on a map, and know almost nothing of history outside of the major bullet points of WW2 and the Revolution. 90% of people will straight up forget about anything that doesn't directly apply to what they like to do in their life. They know about the movie, tv show, and video game universes they indulge in, they don't care about coding, or repairing cars, or where Serbia is on a map.

>>52742181
the reply cope itt to your post is hilarious
i've had roughly the same experience. learned to code solidity and javascript in a couple months during 2018, made a few millions developing a defi protocol the faggots seething at you are probably using, retired in 2020
might get back into it now that chatgpt is decent at spitting out workable stuff if you're smart enough to guide it, but yeah. coding is definitely not career material
i think it just worked out for a certain kind of midcurver because it's both too abstract for braindead 100iq normals and too repetitive and boring for 150iq. but even that will be gone soon. the top 1% of programmers will 50x their productivity with llms, and nuke most mediocre programmers out of a job

>>52743641
No dude, you're just a mentally ill autistic person with deep personal insecurities, so you have developed this overdeveloped sense of superiority to others because you can find Serbia on a map. That's all. Your perceptions of things aren't real, they're just based in your own insecurity and self-hatred over being autistic.

>>52743673
I know, they're really mad. Because they're autistic people, who are deeply insecure of their cognitive deficiencies, who have convinced themselves of their own superiority because they can code. And they don't want to face that "learning to code" has become a pretty normal thing. And literal children are taught to code in primary school now.

Case and point, check the faux elitism on this particular hyperautist who thinks he's better than others because he can find Serbia on a map >>52743641

>>52743677
>he fell for the psychoanalysis meme
also doesnt work btw

>>52743707
It's just reality. Coding is all you people have to convince yourselves that you're actually better than all of the people in highschool who rejected you, and all of the girls who rejected you, and the society that rejected you for your autism. So you'll really cling desperately to that, even though in reality coding is now something that children learn in highschool

>>52742120
"learn to change diapers"
baby boomers aren't done demoralizing other generations yet

>>52742120
Meme career? Kek. How about you start investing in passive income since you dont want to actually dedicate yourself to working. Go for stables or some shit on SpoolFi or bEarn Fi and stfu

>>52742181
>>52743564
Not true.
I've worked as a developer for 3 years and a test developer for another 3, now as a team lead. Mainly in financial services. I do outreach/camps, would say maybe 1-5% of kids are interesting in coding / can code. CompSci grads usually can't develop. Also actually writing code is only part of this job, much like how "ANY" professional service job isn't just one thing
>actual coding
>understanding your architecture and the wider business as your parts have to fit in
>meetings / soft skills
>design docs, reading / writing
>writing tests/reading/reviewing/pairing code
>managing other people, onboarding
>release processes etc
Someone like you, probably a bit odd, autistic maybe, probably couldn't do it, I see a lot of people like that they can "code" they have "figured it out" but they don't really know, as you've said you haven't worked so basically hilarious you want to chat shit here.

I have a fairly decent social circle, all professionals, more nerdy side as I'm in tech, only 2 others are actual devs, its not a job for most people.

>>52743797
You sound like an employee re-applying for your own job at some annual review before layoffs. I'm not hiring or firing you. I'm just explaining to you that your once-specialized knowledge in coding, which was had only by autistic shut-ins and allowed them to become sorta financially successful despite being deeply cognitively disabled, is now sort of a mainstream, normalized thing that people learn in primary school. So don't expect it to be so high paying, lucrative or high status for long.

>>52743641
>>52743464
Self-guided learning is no longer encouraged. They tell us to go to an accredited college for to be suitable for a job. Then we need a masters degree. Or we need to join a Union to train us. All this to be "good enough" and "job ready". So who are we to think self-guided learning would be productive if it doesn't make us "job ready"? We've been conditioned to think that the only way to learn is through these education systems.

>>52743827
no one learns to code in primary school, its just not true, that's why companies do programs to try and get it.
In my country we have a massive lack of them have to get people to move here to work / work remotely. Also a borderline zoomer and none of nieces/nephews care about coding.
If you have the displeasure to hang out with children you will realise they are fucking useless with technology as everything has been made so intuitive now. I was teaching a class for 15-16's last year and most of them couldn't even use things like file explorer etc as they all use tablets/phones.
but either way this is troll so waste of time.

>>52743726
you need very complicated maths for physical simulations that lie beneath every comfort you enjoyed today. stfu and stop projecting

>>52743910
>they are fucking useless with technology as everything has been made so intuitive now. I was teaching a class for 15-16's last year and most of them couldn't even use things like file explorer etc as they all use tablets/phones.
That's a great point.

>>52743910
Are you retarded or just ignorant? Technological literacy has skyrocketed within the last decade and if you interact with youth on a meaningful level you will realise that their cognitive abilities through constant exposure to technology are far greater than any generation that preceded them. In affluent areas of the USA, not your faggot euro country, zoomers have developed an impressive level of coding skill and are super competitive with their peers. You are just coping because the other poster is clearly far smarter than you and you are a brainlet that will be left behind in 2 years tops when the next generation replaces you.

>>52743421
That's 1.7M hobbyist coders... it's not like it's 4 people in the whole nation

>>52743974
He said he teaches 15-16 year olds. Wtf are you doing with youth on a meaningful level?

>>52742252
I invented the internet and Bitcoin. >>52742210

>>52743726
i wasnt rejected in highschool i grew up in the 90s i had like 3 girlfriends from grade 9 to graduation. btw i was saying the same thing coding is over because it never began, this idea that u learn a webframe work (barely) and make 6 figure income is a grift by the people who want u to click on those videos/courses.

>learn to program your own AI

>>52743427
Millennials and zoomers deserve this.

>>52744176
>learn react and make a professional webpage
he's not wrong

>>52742562
>>52743450
kek
chinks are smarter than mutts but want to be actors and don't even know it

>>52742181
>>52742240
lol oh man love to see the code fags seethe. great bait.

This is some kind of demoralization or defeatist thread. Coding in the future will be absolutely integral. "Learn to Code" is not a a meme and there will be tons of insane opportunities with blockchain.

There is a organized effort on 4Chan, presumably by glow niggers, to keep the average user on here poor and angry. Negative vibrational mindset. That is a different thread though.

Even with all the advancements in coding and automation tools you still have to understand the basics and framework which most people simply can't

It will just make your job easier and the rest will still be as confused as they were before.

>>52743677

What on Earth even is this thread anymore... lol. Is this like the official underemployed midwit support group?

Everyone is going to have a YouTube channel

>>52742181
as a programmer I agree, shit is not that hard. What makes it lucrative is the high demand low supply.

>>52742284
gr8 b8 m8

>>52742346
>People are always gonna want plumbing and electricity
Not when YouTube and Home Depot exist. People are sick of being gouged by lazy shit for brains white males showing up and making excuses instead getting shit done. No point in hiring these cucks. Just look up how to do it on youtube, run to home depot to buy tools and supplies, come home and get it done DIY is the future. Fuck contractors. They need to starve for a while to bring them back to reality. They have been lazy and greedy for too long now.

>>52742252
>NGMI. I created my own language and compiler in 10 seconds.
Lol. Basic. I just imagine modes of thinking and they manifest vis languages.

>>52745915
>Not when YouTube and Home Depot exist. People are sick of being gouged by lazy shit for brains white males showing up and making excuses instead getting shit done. No point in hiring these cucks. Just look up how to do it on youtube, run to home depot to buy tools and supplies, come home and get it done DIY is the future. Fuck contractors. They need to starve for a while to bring them back to reality. They have been lazy and greedy for too long now.
Rhe
The next stage of this psychological cope is admitting they can't do it themselves and moving onto
>my time is actually worth more
You can buy a replacement boiler pump for £20 used on ebay. And not even touch the gas.
>but it'll break
You can buy ten of them for the price of one new. And that's not why they turn up on eBay. It'll probably last ten to thirty years more, fine. You'd know that.

>>52747203
>run to home depot
Uh oh..

>>52742120
learn to prompt

>>52743232
>they keep talking about my hobbies

>>52742397
I program recreationally, making scripts that do cool shit is fun.
The only problem is that most apps I come up with need a front end, and front end work is so fucking boring so my apps end up nowhere.

What do i learn and go into? solidity/blockchain, cloud engineering/aws?

>>52743673
Where did you learn solidity in a few months?

>muh coding
Can't help but laugh at the poor uneducated faggots in this thread. You guys are literally the "understanding of topic / willingness to opine on topic" meme chart.

The only sensible reply in this thread was the guy who compared what you call "coding" to a child drawing squares and circles on a piece of paper. Software engineering as a profession is SO much more than just writing some programs, and to this day the profession continues to branch out into different fields, with all sorts of different techniques and increasing levels of complexity.

But yeah, tell me how you faggots know all about everything because you watched some guy give a shitty programming tutorial on youtube.

>>52747906
cool and im sure you understand all facets of computer electronics and operating systems and machine code and

Learn AI

Whenever something similar to stable diffusion for coders comes out, 95% of you soi's are doomed.

Only the gigamensch of every field will outpace AI -- only the ones with sovl.

>>52742120
>bro just learn to landlord

>>52742120
just learn to code lol

>>52742120
>What is the "learn to code" of the 2020s going to be? Now coding isn't going to be as lucrative as it once was, what will the new meme career be?

>>52742120
it will be/already is
>learn to side hustle
one job, no matter what it is, simply isn’t enough and you need to either do a gig app like Uber on your lunch breaks and after work and on the weekends or you have your own side business.

>>52742240
Based. Code fags know deep down there has been a momunental effort to train enough programmers to flood their labour and suppress wages.

>>52743827
Stfu david, you get money from the local casino because your tribe owns it. Not because you're usefull in any way