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Welcome to the Monero General, dedicated to the discussion of the world's leading decentralized P2P privacy cryptocurrency!

Monero is secure, low-fee, and fungible, meaning users can send XMR around the globe despite corrupt governments or broken financial systems. Innovative privacy features such as Ring Signatures, Stealth Addresses, and Ring CT ensure that Monero's blockchain is obfuscated -- In other words, the financial history of all Monero users is encrypted from the prying eyes of adversaries on a public blockchain, with transactions being visible only by a user willingly providing a view key.

Monero has also improved upon the scaling downsides of current popular cryptocurrencies. To avoid high fees, dynamic block size ensures that the size of the blocks will increase as the amount of transactions increases. Further, the mining network algorithm RandomX establishes that anybody with a CPU can participate in mining, preventing the ASIC miner domination that creates a high barrier to entry. Lastly, the mining network will be preserved by Tail Emission -- instead of the block reward falling to zero like with Bitcoin, the block reward gradually approached 0.6 XMR in June 2022, where it will forever stay. This constant linear inflation means the inflation rate will asymptotically go to zero while continuing to provide an incentive to miners to maintain the network.

If you still have questions, feel free to ask and a MoneroChad will be with you shortly.

XMR Redpill: https://yewtu.be/wq6w03E2DS4

XMR Stats: moneroj.net

USE Monero: https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/

OFFICIAL WEBSITE - getmonero.org

WHERE TO GET MONERO?

>KYC:
Kraken
Binance
Bitfinex

>Non KYC:
LocalMonero
Morphtoken
Bisq
Kucoin
Tradeogre
Crypto ATMs
see: kycnot.me

>Mining
archive.is/TWOah

HOW TO STORE MONERO?

>Desktop
Official Gui/Cli
Feather

>Mobile
IOS: Cakewallet
Android: Monerujo

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>>52523981
Based ID color, but I just checked my monero wallet and all of my funds are gone. What is going on? Is the hack legit?

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PREVIOUS THREAD: >>52492495

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START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL
START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL

P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shutdown/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. When P2Pool reaches 51% of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL DIRECTLY FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET!

If you have a PC or laptop:

1. Download Monero GUI
https://i.imgur.com/ZGefPef.png

2. Pick 'Advanced' mode
https://i.imgur.com/4c0uSE4.png

3. Set up your wallet
https://i.imgur.com/4lMKh00.png

4. Keep the default Daemon settings "Start a node automatically in the background"
https://i.imgur.com/maACmmT.png

5. Once sync'd, go to Advanced->Mining and pick 'P2Pool'. If you have a laptop or low-end PC (~50 kH/s) pick "Mini" pool, else pick "Main"
https://i.imgur.com/E60JeMG.png


>YOU CAN USE P2POOL-COMPATIBLE REMOTE NODES IF YOU DO NOT HAVE YOUR OWN LOCAL COPY OF THE BLOCKCHAIN
https://xmrvsbeast.com/p2pool/monero_nodes.html


OTHERWISE SWITCH TO A SMALLER POOL, IT TAKES YOU 30 SECONDS AND YOU CAN JUST SOURCE A DIFFERENT CONFIG FILE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FUCK UP YOUR EXISTING ONE.

Many inexperienced miners think that big pools give better profits which is not the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

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*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****


Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

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Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://monero.com/marketplace
https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/
https://acceptedhere.io/catalog/currency/xmr/

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (currently US only)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>AlphaBay
>Archetyp
>Asur Market
>Chimera Market #
>Cloud Market #
>Dark Matter #
>Darkmoon #
>FilthyFellas
>Mellow Market #
>Retro Market #
Onion links: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/fs7ax


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Kilos
>Majestic Bank
>Elude
>Infinity Project
https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/8cunb


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Poker Club: play no-limit Texas Hold'em in real time with 2-8 players over the safety of Tor with the privacy of Monero! No user account required.
http://pokerggxmrvzecuo6afhucjwdljuve5eoavxdxdr6zedyejd6mvz5wad.onion

>XMR Poker
http://xmrpoker3icphjr7c6dgct3by44ph4xvxrds4jzwjkjh7h2owdf6icyd.onion


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

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>The irrational exuberance of cryptocurrency investors

Irrational exuberance is characterized as a hype-fueled mania that causes investors to massively overestimate an asset's real-world value. In this delusional state, investors tend to become so smitten with expectations of greater profits that they disregard the assets’ potentially weak fundamentals and drink the proverbial Kool-Aid.

This then leads to them recklessly and repeatedly buying into whatever asset is currently rising in the charts, thereby triggering and/or sustaining an asset bubble. This bubble is kept inflated solely by the mass delusion that the market price is justified and will only keep going up in future, effectively becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. Note that bubbles can last for years, especially in an age of easy investor on-boarding. However, when history inevitably repeats and the bubble bursts that optimism invariably turns into panic as the asset crashes back down to its real-world value.

In finance, the "greater fool theory" suggests that one can sometimes make money through the purchase of overvalued assets—items with a purchase price drastically exceeding the intrinsic value—if those assets can later be resold at an even higher price.

In this context, one "fool" might pay for an overpriced asset, hoping that he can sell it to an even "greater fool" and make a profit. This only works as long as there are enough new "greater fools" willing to pay higher and higher prices for the asset. Eventually, investors can no longer deny that the price is out of touch with reality, at which point a sell-off can cause the price to drop significantly until it is closer to its fair value, which in some cases could be zero.

This effect is often further exacerbated by herd mentality, whereby people hear stories of others who bought in early and made big profits, causing those who did not buy to feel a fear of missing out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g

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>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total Bitcoin = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings Bitcoin would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per Bitcoin and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL.

And that’s assuming energy costs do not increase at all over the next 120 years, which they will.

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

>> No.52524170

So, as someone who can't us localmonero for fiat onramp due to nobody being close by, is there any pitfalls one should know about when using Bisq? Been fiddling around with it and know about the BTC security amount, but any tips? Want to get my worthless paper into XMR that I can do every month with my paycheck.

>> No.52524188

Can I get a sexy Stable Diffusion Monero-chan?

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Reporting in,
fuck Bitcoin.

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>Trusted technology, growing adoption

Zcash was launched by one of the most respected technical teams in the world.

Zcash is the 'https of blockchains,' protecting your freedom to save and spend as you like.

Zcash was the first project to implement zk-SNARKs, a novel form of zero-knowledge cryptography that gives its users the strongest privacy available in any digital currency.

Multiple, independent organizations are funded to innovate on Zcash.

Zcash is already available on top exchanges, digital wallets and a growing number of applications.

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This is what Monero chuds don't want you to know.

Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.

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>https://www.monerochan.art/
Commissioned another shoot with a green screen. Full raw set can be found on the site. Eventually I'll make nice backgrounds for all of them.

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Press S to spit as Hoskinson's Midnight "privacy" coin. He said to avoid the "bad" things about privacy there will be basically a back door if you have a subpoena. Literally worse than fucking everything. Hey, Charles, you fat fuck, I know you have a web crawler showing you every time someone mentions "cardano", "ada" or "Charles Hoskinson". If your peace of shit Dust Midnight (btw, gay naming, with all your fucking money, you could heve come up with a better name) is any good, we can just fork the fuck out of it and make it private by default. Fuck you and pic rel. Muh Africa. Muh LGBT. Muh whammen. Muh getting drunk in Kikeland. Fuck you.

>> No.52524669

>>52524579
3dpd.

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>>52524348
Reporting in.
Fuck mass surveillance coin.

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>>52523981
I remember BTC maxis acting tough here, where are they now?

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>>52524921
Insanely based.
Any kind of currency that doesn't have privacy by default is worthless.

>> No.52525087

Monero will be the next shitcoin to fall

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>>52525087
>Monero will be the next shitcoin to fall

Go on....

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>> No.52525197

>>52524038
Werkz on my machine. Probs just you

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>>52524661
Wait, so I've been reading. Turns out it's on a dapp level. So does it mean the token itself is private by default, none of that gay ass optional privacy? Where the fuck is the white paper, Charles? If the 'compliance shit is on a dapp level, that means one can just boycott all the compliante dapps? Hoskinson secretly based /ourguy/? wtf?

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>>52525184
>>52525260
3dpd.

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>>52525306
If it's the dapps, than forks the dapps. If it's DUST (still gay) is fungible, than no "tainted coins". If it's private by default and fungible and the gay shit is on dapp level (avoidable), than it's a potential laundromat for all web3? Sounds promising if true.

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guys, I'm not sure if I'll be able to handle the flood of ADA shills that will pour into our threads. so far we've been relatively spared by the cancer of the greater crypto-space with only small shitcoins occasionally shilling but i feel like this midnight shit will make this 10 times worse

>> No.52526354

>>52526291
Charles will see what happened to Tornado Cash and will make sure it's "regulatory compliant" so they don't get OFAC'd.

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>>52523981
You guys are all midwits. Monero is a utility and not a way to grow wealth. Qt least your crab bags will be secret I guess

>> No.52526671

>>52524579
I appreciate this image

>> No.52526824

>>52524038
rescan

>> No.52526848

>>52526367
I fucking hate you retarded price speculators. Literally go fuck off and buy dog coins we do not give a shit what you have to say. You runts have infested crypto and subverted the conversation from creating a currency to gambling. The goal of cryptocurrencies isn't to "grow wealth" because markets are literally a zero sum game.

>> No.52527063

>>52523981
Any news on the latest fud?
Seems like retards stopped talking about it

>> No.52527305

>>52525260
wew... lad

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>> No.52527464

>>52527063
https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-dev/20221118

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Reporting in
##################################
IRC- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/tzm4s
Aliases- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/bjbx3
Extras- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/daxte
Nodes- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/ke2k8
Mining- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/c7na4

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>> No.52528163

Is there a qrd on how to cpu mine monero?

>> No.52528178

>>52523981
>AI art
Monero manlets NGMI

>> No.52528213

>>52528163
>>52524103

use p2pool. I heard people like to use Monero-Bash on linux for a quick install but I personally just install all the stuff separately.

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>>52524038
> Is the hack legit?
I did the needful for you.

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>>52524170
Why don't you try some swap services in order to go from BTC into XMR?

You can try troucador.app, or orangefren.com, heck, even the cakewallet has a built-in swap service. Also you can try stack wallet's built-in swap service.

>> No.52528654

>>52528633
>troucador.app
trocador.app

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>>52524661
>>52525306
>>52525700
Dude nobody cares.

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>>52528163
Be on the lookout for gupax.io
It is an easy to use app for desktop computers that lets you mine on p2pool mini with the click of a button.

>> No.52529288

>>52528633
lol based pic


has anyone else thought if they can hax0r the banks it will make monero go toooo daaaa moon

>> No.52529929

Bump for Seraphis Jamtis protocol upgrade:
https://piped.video/watch?v=a71M_xjJ-1E&t=77
https://monero.observer/meeting-log-summary-seraphis-wallet-workgroup-meeting-14-november-2022/

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Bump for PiNodeXMR:
https://github.com/monero-ecosystem/PiNode-XMR

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>>52526367
Monero is the cool thing now, /nu/ biz taking over.

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>>52526367
>You guys are all midwits. Monero is a utility and not a way to grow wealth. Qt least your crab bags will be secret I guess

Your anxiety is palpable.

>> No.52531252

I have exactly 6 monero I dont think I am ever going to make it

>> No.52531317

>>52528163
>>52528096
read the mining link and fill in whatever gaps I've left with google/asking here

>> No.52531566

>>52525260
This image is missing from the site, anybody have the original

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>>52523981

henlo guys

have you heard of sovryn? i need something similar but with xmr. for crowdfunded open oppurtunity hitman contracts for the cabal.

can someone make pls

>> No.52531719

>>52531603
>i need something similar but with xmr. for crowdfunded open oppurtunity hitman contracts for the cabal.
Seraphis upgrade will make flipstarter style crowdfunding possible. Then, someone can code some assassination markets on top of it. No need to bloat Monero blockchain with defi data.

>> No.52532133

>>52531603
Online assassination markets aren't real, Ross Ulbricht had to learn this the hard way

>> No.52532224

>>52531603
Yes this thread is also for hiring hitman . I hangout here looking for work. I charge 5k per average citizen or 500k for high profile assassinations (plus sales tax all prices usd). Let me know what you need and I'll hit you back with a invoice and wallet address to get started.

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>>52532224

>> No.52532609

>>52532224
>plus sales tax
lmao

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>>52526367
But where is price really coming from? Well fundamentally, it is supply and demand no? The supply side of Monero is pretty stable with a <1% yearly inflation and decreasing. And where does demand for a cryptocurrency come from? Well it can come from institutions and retards on reddit, that can pump the price, but only in the short term, as essentially they are buying to sell it later on, and when the bigger players decide that they have made enough, and pull out thus start crashing the price, the most rational action is to sell, further crashing the price, this continues until only the users of the cryptocurrency in question remain and sustain the price. (Now see why Monero is crabbing so often?)
Demand for a currency fundamentally stems from its possibility to use it, its utility if you will. Thus, in the long term, only high utility coins are the best bet even if you want to invest, exactly because people use it, rather than invest in it.

>> No.52532906

>>52526367
Was the r/monero comments on reddit paid during 2017-2019?

>> No.52533063

>>52528633
I mean I have been already doing that, doing the usual fiat->3rd party crypto->XMR route, but would really like my fiat onramp to be hard to follow as well. XMR is not illegal in my nation, but in my humble opinion when has that ever stopped a government from trying to fucking you over?

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>>52532224

>> No.52533482

>>52523981
You'll abandon this whore the moment she becomes obsolete. Get in on Dis creet while you still can, because it's already looking like the privacy coin to surpass Boomnero.

>> No.52533683
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>>52528737
The money they invest in the tech can be good for XMR. ADA a!d ERGO is UTXO so is Monero.

>> No.52534002

>>52533482
Isn't it a proof of stake bnb coin that has pajeet devs? No thanks.

>> No.52534363

>>52524038
Is it actually your wallet, or are you using an online wallet? If it's an online wallet, ya dun goofed. If not, you probably just need to rescan or let your wallet finish syncing. Absolute worst case scenario would be redownloading the blockchain, but that's not likely and you could always use a remote node. Only way anything is actually "gone" would be if you stored your coins online or your PC got malware, so if it's neither of those then you're fine

>> No.52534375

>>52534363
>captcha XDATA8

>> No.52534865

Besides XMR, what is the next hedge agains total destruction ? (Technological or memetic). Paganism and larpsteading seem to be taking some momentum.

>> No.52534982 [DELETED] 

>>52534865
xmr and silver that's it everything else costs too much

>> No.52535010

>>52534865
>Besides XMR, what is the next hedge agains total destruction ?
>Technological
Using GNU/Linux, QubesOS and strong encryption. Also using CalyxOS on mobile.

>> No.52535096

>>52535010
How do you feel about GrapheneOS on mobile?

>> No.52535600

What is the BEST site for resell gift cards for crypto?

>> No.52535625

>>52535600
Reselling*

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>>52534865
>macroeconomic / political
Colonizing Mars. Any supporting effort from CO2 recycling to refining hydroponics to designing space suits to industrial robotics also helps.
>financial
shiny rocks
>technological
A truck or motorcycle that has a carburetor instead of electronic fuel injection and is easy to fix. Supply chains for electronics are only going to get worse for several years until the downstream effects of TSMC's new US fabs kick in with reshoring things like ECU manufacturing.
>memetic
Contolist Astropaganism.

>> No.52535871

>>52535010
>CalyxOS
No. Grapheneos

>> No.52535894

>>52535871
GrapheneOS's developer team is undergoing meltdown and their threat model doesn't count Google as an enemy. CalyxOS is the proper fork.

>> No.52536122

>>52526367
Crypto without privacy is crap

>> No.52536490

>>52535600
>What is the BEST site for selling gift cards for crypto?
Bump for this. I want to exchange a gift card for crypto

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bump

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>>52532224

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>>52524579
>https://www.monerochan.art/
Just finished editing all of the raw shots. Album with backgrounds removed and colors graded is available here:
https://www.monerochan.art/cosplay3_edits.html

I also recently trained a NovelAI model on Monerochan that is delivering excellent results. .ckpt file is available here:
>https://huggingface.co/TwistedTurtle/nai_monerochan-v1/tree/main

Please consider donating to the art fund if you like what I do. There's only 1 funded project left in production (daisy duke illustration) and it's almost completed.

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>>52538145
nice but 4chan destroys your pngs and there are artifacts in the dark spots of your edits

>> No.52539155

中出

>> No.52539181

parker is a nigger

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>>52538584
Thanks, I'll go through and fix them as I get better at this. I'm still learning.

>> No.52539212

>>52538145
You still begging for donations and running your same scam commissions, Parker? At least you moved on to 3D whores instead of your usual third world anime artists.
You should hire better models, you scammed enough money from other communities to afford better whores. Maybe ask TP or something when you're back in BAT threads.

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>>52538584
Thanks, I'll go through and fix them as I get better at this.

>>52539212
First, I'm not this Parker guy. I assume you're referring to the dude that does the mediocre BAT/MC art commissions (notice how none of those are on my site).
Second, I don't make money off of this. For every 2 dollars donated I've put in at least 1 of my own to help elevate the quality of projects.
Third, I don't fuck with anything other than XMR.

>> No.52539605

>>52539512
Why did you delete your other post, Mr. Banks?
>I assume you're referring to the dude that does the mediocre BAT/MC art commissions (notice how none of those are on my site).
How do you know about any BAT commissions if XMR is all you fuck with? It's ok, Parker. Keep doing your thing.

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Why do my transparent pngs look fine everywhere except here?? What am i missing....

>>52539605
>How do you know about any BAT commissions if XMR is all you fuck with?
because he used to post his Monerochan-BAT colab commissions here genius

>> No.52539880

>>52539724
I've had the same problem with .png files
>tfw too dumb to troubleshoot

>> No.52539940

>>52539724
My apologies, I'm the guy they're talking about. I've contracted for Brave, but am also on biz. So the few people who have bagheld bat for the past 5 years have been looking for someone to blame, rather than moving on, having become more schizophrenic than XRP baggies.

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>>52513227
>>52513236
>>52513250
>>52513322
>>52515587
>>52520418
I Recommend (You) to Stick to Making THESE ^ and NOT THESE v
>>52524579
>>52525260
>>52527391
>>52530381
>>52538145
>>52539512
>>52539724

>> No.52540148

>>52539724
>>52539940
The reason they're giving you a hard time is that I came to terms with the fact bat is kind of shit, while Monero (and Bitcoin to some extent) are the only worthwhile cryptocurrencies. Took me long enough, but now they think the Monero people are behind some kind of conspiracy. So again, my apologies for the unintentional headache.

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>>52533482
I should cut out your tongue slowly with a rusty knife for the disrespect you bring upon Monero-chan.
Then, force you eat it.

>> No.52540195

>>52535600
>What is the BEST site for exchanging/selling gift cards for crypto?
Anyone? Please anons

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>>52540148
>but now they think the Monero people are behind some kind of conspiracy
Wait wut. I wasn't even aware of this. What is their line of reasoning?

>> No.52540384

>>52540273
After I sold my BAT a year ago I shit on it pretty hard for a while. At the same time they were doing shit like avatarfagging, posting porn, ban evading, running multiple Vpns, etc, and were constantly getting banned for it. So they think I'm a jannie who runs half a dozen different identifies, all to persecute their threads, while they've watched their coin go back to the same price it was 5 years ago. They've just lost their minds at this point.

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>>52539985
why not both?

>> No.52541434

Is there a marketplace where people sell digital goods for Monero?
I have an unused PS4/PS5 code for the new call of duty game which I'll never play and I'd like to exchange it for some XMR.

>> No.52541635

>>52541434
I have the same issue here too >>52540195

Hopefully someone responds

>> No.52541688

>>52523981
Your reminder that Monero is owned by China.

>> No.52541788

anyone else here waiting patiently? ive been waiting since the beginning of the year to buy some monero we are so close to the crash im getting excited. gonna buy a big stack when it hits under 5 bucks. buttcoin will be sub $1,000 soon and i dont know if tht will be the bottom but that will be when i start to DCA in a XMR stack

>> No.52541803

>>52541434
no, unfortuantely monero developers are tards when it comes to commercialization. you want zcash for that ZEC has their own marketplace

>> No.52542209

>>52541434
Maybe MoneroMarket.io or LocalMonero will take it

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>>52541788
>>52541803
>shilling intensifies
I guess ZTrash is finally trying some new tricks

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Reminder that even Wownero has more value than ZCash.

>> No.52542421
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Guys I will make xmr go to 100k, you see my strategy is...
>make a one off exchange, probably somewhere cool and nerdy like japan but already done, so I will make mt gox 2 in thailand since all the computerfags making a million dollars a year on biz brag about going there all the time with their 8 figure portfolios apparently from being ex managers at FAGMAN
>rug the exchange there, partner with ex CIA to make tether 2.0 stablecoin, put it somewhere cool in like cuba or puerto rico since bahamas are very overrated and done already
>partner with more glowies to make bitfinex's and binance and FTX, hire a bunch of indians/africans/pakistanis/asians wearing exchange branded clothing to shill my shitcoin casinos uh I mean "banks" I mean... "exchanges"
>spread meme on internet that monero needs to be able to host dog jpg NFTs so make ethereum for monero with help from jpmorgan or goldman ballsacks, find some CS major that is into whatever the fuck does trendy shit current year computerfags do, furries, heroin idk
>re innovate my network of scammers since twitter is controlled by elon now, so make a bunch of elon friendly shills work for me to shill the catcoins that come from ethereum for monero on new twitter
>launder the pleb money through my new FTX and use fall guy
>cash out my 99k a monero on the way down to 500 dollars

any holes in my plan?

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>>52542382

>> No.52543972

bros i just realized xmr has been in a bull market against the BTC ratio for almost a year

>> No.52544080

>>52543972
*activate laser eyes maxi stare*
Shitcoins must be purged

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>>52543972
we move up by not moving down.
flipping etc next. and then we flip ltc..

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>>52539512
test cropping with gimp and running oxipng on it, too big to upload it to 4chan otherwise (how'd you do it? probably wrong, lets see if mine works)

>> No.52544526

>>52544481
looks much better.

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52544715

What's up with the fucking 3dpd spam.

>> No.52544737

https://vocaroo.com/1oLJbfHG1vZ8
monero stands for liberty

>> No.52544767

>>52531252
Mine : )

>> No.52544781

>>52536122
>Crypto without privacy is crap
agree

>>52524530
>Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it
that’s the coin that I’m most bullish on atm, including sylo coz of it's P2P transactions features

>> No.52545032

>>52544715
Funded by the artfund, so some anons must like it :^)

>> No.52545203 [DELETED] 

>>52545032
Are you Jewish?

>> No.52545350

the ratio is making me so hard i can barely contain myself

>> No.52545464

Anyone still remember the monero crit vuln "hacker" from a few days back? lmao
https://nitter.it/fluffypony/status/1594373162413617152#m

>> No.52545517

>>52539605
>>52539212
you are a fucking retard.

>> No.52545651

>>52545203
Quit sperging out.

>> No.52546490

>>52541434
bitejo dot com

also has a onion site

CAPTCHA DNM4TW

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>>52546490
>DNM4TW
Deus Vult

>> No.52546950

Anons,

Please forgive me.

I really want to invest in XMR, but I just can't while the Tether ponzi is still going. Once it collapses, I'm all in.

Godspeed,
John

>> No.52547155

>>52539724
Wat gan is she holding?

>> No.52547330
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looking nice...


C'mon baby - lets reign as the one true coin

>> No.52547442

>>52547155
The overall appearance makes me think Galil, but the receiver is a bit different. It definitely looks like it's chambered in 7.62x39 though, maybe ask in QTDDTOT on /k/

>> No.52547467 [DELETED] 

>>52545651
>Oh no no no, I'm found out

>> No.52547556

>>52525074
In as much as privacy is essential, "by default" sounds mandatory. Rather, privacy is a necessity that it's importance should be understood

>> No.52548505

>>52547556
"Privacy is a necessity" sounds more immediate and compelling but also more "on your side" than the phrase "Privacy by default" Which sounds more technical and almost "it must be this way, you have no choice"

"Privacy is a necessity" sounds like it's implying you need it RIGHT NOW, as in there is an ongoing existential threat to your privacy (which there is) and Monero's got your back on that front.

subtle but impactful difference.

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52549408

>tether blows up finally in next 5 years
>xmr is literally the actual stablecoin all along

>> No.52549527

>>52547556
"By default" also sounds like something that can be disabled. Something simple like "keep it private" or "unbreakably encrypted" would be better.

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>>52547442
>>52548505
Anonymity by default is a necessity.

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>>52547556
>>52548505

>> No.52550920

I saw someone say to another trying out cake that you should never accept funds in your main wallet. Can someone explain to a dummy who just downloaded cake, why? I just got $5 to my account’s primary wallet for doing someone’s homework to see what the app can do. I’m probably going to transfer the funds anyway and close the account

>> No.52551284

>>52550920
>that you should never accept funds in your main wallet.
It is not "never", the primary address is safe to use. The problem becomes if you use the same primary address (the one that begins with 4...) in two different platforms/occasions. People can connect the dots and understand that the two users are the same ones.

You can use the secondary addreses (the ones that begin with 8...) the same way. Use single address per platform/occasion/person.

Apart from these, there is nothing to worry about accepting payments into your "main wallet".

>> No.52551413

>>52544781
>that’s the coin that I’m most bullish on atm, including sylo coz of it's P2P transactions features

it's like will continue to exist cos it has a functional product for sending and receiving crypto assets.

>> No.52551559

>>52551284
Thank you rH10lrFL-kun

>> No.52552195

>>52549408
There's a small but increasing chance that Tether is actually legit and Barry Silbert is a conman. True clown world outcome

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Who manages this account? A 13 year old?

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>>52553768

>> No.52553996

>>52553768
>>52553792
who gives a shit. Monero is not some twitter account.

>> No.52554033

>>52553768
They sound pretty desperate

>> No.52554087

>>52554033
>oh noes
>cardanoe dev new coin comingg aaahhhh
DNM usage or bust, nigger.

>> No.52554173

>>52523981
>bitcoin down ~$800
>monero down ~$6
>XMR:BTC ratio crabbing

What did the markets mean by this?

>> No.52554242

>>52553768
>>52553792
The Monero Twitter account should make a final tweet saying:

"Nigger."

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>>52554242
Holy based.

>> No.52554688

>>52553768
whoever got to the @monero handle first (or purchased it from the guy who did)

It's unofficial, there is no official Monero page or voice or face. MAYBE the repo can be considered "official" in a very limited capacity of the word.

Regardless, he should put the kid gloves back on because I liked it better when retards like Charles and his flock didn't even know Monero existed. I want absolutely no attention from retards who would root for a project for 8 years just to be delivered a centralized shitmess with buzzwords and still gobble it up because the creator looks nerdy and smart.

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>>52554173
>>XMR:BTC ratio crabbing
>just broke 0.008

>> No.52556654

Anyone here used HëllöFrësh?

>> No.52556676

Shit posted in the wrong board lol

>> No.52557335

where can i buy gold with xmr ?

>> No.52557509

>>52547330
It already is the one true cryptocurrency. It actually does what crypto wants, which is to be p2p cash. Anything with a public ledger is a failure at this goal. Anonymized ledgers are simply a bare minimum for cryptocurrencies.

Price increasing or decreasing does not make a currency fundamentally better or worse.

>> No.52557598

>>52549527
Well, it can be disabled per wallet with view keys so I'd have to disagree with you. Privacy by default is a term often used outside of Monero.

>> No.52558063

>>52557335
https://silvergoldbull.ca/payment
>DOGE, SHIBA, and APE
>no XMR

>> No.52558267

>>52523981
>Do you feel it anon? The slow but steady change in sentiment? The former-maxis admitting that holding "a few" monero is a good idea? Enjoy the uncertainty while it lasts. You'll look back fondly on it.

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>> No.52559661

>>52559154
Genuinely impressed with the AI doing lighting and shadows.

>> No.52559688

>>52559154
>>52559661
Almost couldn't tell till I looked at the face and hands.

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>> No.52560764

>>52548505
Threat to users' privacy on the blockchain is a constant

>> No.52562260

Up monero

>> No.52562516

>>52526291
whats the prompt for the stable diffusion, my nigge?

>> No.52563394

>>52559661

Quite impressive

>> No.52563879

>>52545032
>t. onlyfans arthoe who received cosplay commission

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bros this shit is stuck at fucking synchronizing for 2 hours. I just want to buy some drugs and there is no fucking way that my fucking balance will load.

I am using remote node.

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>>52566255

made some fucking progress I guess but it fucking STUCK again

are the fucking nodes running on fucking tor?? why are they so fucking slow

>> No.52566375

monero really has to improve its user-friendliness. I am getting frustated by this shit and I am super smart about crypto, I store my own keys, use a passphrase on top of my 24 hours. I know how to RPB transactions on Bitcoin and force an old unconfirmed transaction to get dropped, I know how to change nonces in Ethereum, I used flashbots too, even called contracts manually in Etherscan without using a GUI but this shit is HARD.

Monero premise is FUCKING WONDERFUL, TOP CRYPTO of the fucking space. But it is unusable.

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>>52566350
>are the fucking nodes running on fucking tor?
All the cool kids are doing it.

>> No.52566393

>>52566385

yeah guessed thats why it was slow, well whatever, will wait. thanks

>> No.52566429

>>52566375
if monero-gui isn't working for you, try feather wallet. I find it more user friendly.

>> No.52566437

>>52566429

looks like electrum on steroids, will try it, thanks friend.

>> No.52566461

>>52566375
>unusable

Use feather wallet or cake for near instant usability. The GUI + hosting own node for the premium experience and it will take one days worth of patience once to set up.

>> No.52566503

>>52566461

how much gb in space is needed to host own node?

>> No.52566565

>>52566503
150 GB for full blockchain.
60 GB for pruned one.

>> No.52566596

>>52566503
I think about 150. I have mine on a dedicated 4TB HDD (inb4 slow) and it runs great.

>>52566461
I've never had a reason to use anything other than the official GUI. My node is on an NAS inside my 1GBe LAN, so wallet sync is pretty quick but I'd like to upgrade to a 10GBe LAN for MOAR SPEED

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52566614

>>52566350
By default monero is only connecting to 8 peers.
Try increasing it to 100 in Settings > daemon log.

out-peers 100

>> No.52567633

What is the biggest issue around Monero? To me, it seems it improves in basically every regard compared to bitcoin, it must have a caveat... Does it?

>> No.52567676

>>52557335
veldtgold

>> No.52567707

>>52566255
just suck it up aND DOWNLOAD THE FKING BLOCKCHAIN AND RUN A FULL FUCKING NODE. HOW DIFFICULT IS THAT TO GRASP.

>> No.52567784

>>52566429
is there an onion address?

>> No.52567804

>>52567707
downloading the entire blockchain over Tor will take literally days

>> No.52567810

>>52566350
All the cool people run nodes through for & i2p

>> No.52567848

>>52523981
Why are her nipples so wrong?

>> No.52567849

>>52567633
Long sync times for running a node, long scan times to find transactions related to your address even for light wallets, more complicated code theoretically more vulnerable to getting bugs.

>> No.52567899

>>52567849
Seraphis fixes this.

>> No.52567934

>>52567784
Yes there is. Just visit the clearnet address with Tor Browser. It should automatically redirect to the onion.

>> No.52568037

>>52567849
The 10 block wait time before your funds become spendable is a big issue to me. Things like sync time will be fixed by user growth in computing power and internet speed so I consider them negligible

>> No.52568135

>>52568037
>The 10 block wait time before your funds become spendable is a big issue to me.
Split your big utxos in your wallet into smaller pieces. That way, you will always have some utxos available for spending.

>> No.52568191

>>52568037
dude it's like 30 minutes of computing time you're lending to the network. it's not like you're waiting in line at Best Buy to replace that Mariah Carey CD

>> No.52568858

In terms of hardware and electricity, what is the cheapest way to run a tor node through tails all day every day(not mining)?
I was thinking a raspberry 4.
Considering that this computer will only be used to run the node, is there any better option?

>> No.52568895

>>52568858
TailsOS is not designed for running on headless servers like Raspberry Pis.

You should check out https://github.com/monero-ecosystem/PiNode-XMR

>> No.52568902

>>52568858
RPi4 is kinda expensive right now but you're on the right track with some SBC. Another option is an old laptop.

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>>52568895
>>52568902
k, so apparently raspberry is mooning right now so there are cheaper options like picrel.
I'm concerned about power consumption btw, since this will be running 24/7

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Good morning

>> No.52569159

>>52568037
In GUI create a tx with multiple outputs, all send to the same address of a different wallet. Each tx becomes an independent coin, that can be spend without locking the remaining balance for 10 blocks.

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>>52569104
morning

>> No.52569195

>>52569104
One of the good AI creations.

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>>52569097

You can get a Le Potato for even less, runs as good as a Pi3.

>> No.52569597

>>52569572
if you squint it looks like a sóyjak

>> No.52569747

>>52567848
please don't coinshame

>> No.52570043

Let's say binance pulls FTX crash.
What are we looking at here?
50 usd xmr?
Is even btc worth something at that point?

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>>52570043
>Is even btc worth something at that point?

BTC is worth $10 million because cyber hornets.

>> No.52570201

>>52569097
Looks good. That thing uses an Atom processor. It probably pulls <10W at full load if even that and 1-3W idle. It's going to be slightly more than some ARM SBC but not much. Definitely not so me much more that you save money buying something more expensive.

>> No.52570243

Thoughts on cakpay?

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>>52569195
I fine tuned the model. Consistently getting good stuff now

>> No.52571040

>>52570457
HNNNNNNNNNGGG

>> No.52572320

>majesticbank only gives you a 30 minute timer before your transaction expires

There is no way this wasn't intentional, onchain BTC transfers regularly take that long or longer. What happens to my funds if they don't arrive on time? Oh well?

Fingers crossed Trocador didn't just steer me down a dark alley where the melanin men will take my funds.

>> No.52572409

>>52572320
literally
>22 minutes left on the majestic tx timer
>block explorer telling me ~22min left in mempool
what the fuck

>> No.52573280

whats the fastest way to buy some with visa or mastercard?
let's say I need it my xmr wallet as soon as possible and I don't have an online exchange account yet

>> No.52573354

>>52573280
kucoin
you need to kyc yourself and the card company would know you have some, but one you move it to your wallet its safe afterwards.
Its better to do non KYC when possible