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P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shutdown/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. When P2Pool reaches 51% of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL DIRECTLY FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET!

If you have a PC or laptop:

1. Download Monero GUI
https://i.imgur.com/ZGefPef.png

2. Pick 'Advanced' mode
https://i.imgur.com/4c0uSE4.png

3. Set up your wallet
https://i.imgur.com/4lMKh00.png

4. Keep the default Daemon settings "Start a node automatically in the background"
https://i.imgur.com/maACmmT.png

5. Once sync'd, go to Advanced->Mining and pick 'P2Pool'. If you have a laptop or low-end PC (~50 kH/s) pick "Mini" pool, else pick "Main"
https://i.imgur.com/E60JeMG.png


>YOU CAN USE P2POOL-COMPATIBLE REMOTE NODES IF YOU DO NOT HAVE YOUR OWN LOCAL COPY OF THE BLOCKCHAIN
https://xmrvsbeast.com/p2pool/monero_nodes.html


OTHERWISE SWITCH TO A SMALLER POOL, IT TAKES YOU 30 SECONDS AND YOU CAN JUST SOURCE A DIFFERENT CONFIG FILE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FUCK UP YOUR EXISTING ONE.

Many inexperienced miners think that big pools give better profits which is not the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

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Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://monero.com/marketplace
https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/
https://acceptedhere.io/catalog/currency/xmr/

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (currently US only)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>AlphaBay
>Archetyp
>Asur Market
>Chimera Market #
>Cloud Market #
>Dark Matter #
>Darkmoon #
>FilthyFellas
>Mellow Market #
>Retro Market #
Onion links: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/fs7ax


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Kilos
>Majestic Bank
>Elude
>Infinity Project
https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/8cunb


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Poker Club: play no-limit Texas Hold'em in real time with 2-8 players over the safety of Tor with the privacy of Monero! No user account required.
http://pokerggxmrvzecuo6afhucjwdljuve5eoavxdxdr6zedyejd6mvz5wad.onion

>XMR Poker
http://xmrpoker3icphjr7c6dgct3by44ph4xvxrds4jzwjkjh7h2owdf6icyd.onion


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://magicgrants.org/funds/monero/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

>The irrational exuberance of cryptocurrency investors

Irrational exuberance is characterized as a hype-fueled mania that causes investors to massively overestimate an asset's real-world value. In this delusional state, investors tend to become so smitten with expectations of greater profits that they disregard the assets’ potentially weak fundamentals and drink the proverbial Kool-Aid.

This then leads to them recklessly and repeatedly buying into whatever asset is currently rising in the charts, thereby triggering and/or sustaining an asset bubble. This bubble is kept inflated solely by the mass delusion that the market price is justified and will only keep going up in future, effectively becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. Note that bubbles can last for years, especially in an age of easy investor on-boarding. However, when history inevitably repeats and the bubble bursts that optimism invariably turns into panic as the asset crashes back down to its real-world value.

In finance, the "greater fool theory" suggests that one can sometimes make money through the purchase of overvalued assets—items with a purchase price drastically exceeding the intrinsic value—if those assets can later be resold at an even higher price.

In this context, one "fool" might pay for an overpriced asset, hoping that he can sell it to an even "greater fool" and make a profit. This only works as long as there are enough new "greater fools" willing to pay higher and higher prices for the asset. Eventually, investors can no longer deny that the price is out of touch with reality, at which point a sell-off can cause the price to drop significantly until it is closer to its fair value, which in some cases could be zero.

This effect is often further exacerbated by herd mentality, whereby people hear stories of others who bought in early and made big profits, causing those who did not buy to feel a fear of missing out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g

>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total Bitcoin = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings Bitcoin would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per Bitcoin and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL.

And that’s assuming energy costs do not increase at all over the next 120 years, which they will.

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

If I transfer bitcoin from Coinbase to bisq/haveno (and which should I use?), will Coinbase lock my account?
If I transfer it to another wallet, then go from that wallet to a dex, am I okay?

>>52369298
>If I transfer bitcoin from Coinbase to bisq/haveno (and which should I use?), will Coinbase lock my account?

This ain't Bitcoin, Coinbase won't know anything beyond which address you sent to.

>If I transfer it to another wallet, then go from that wallet to a dex, am I okay?

Not necessary.

Reporting in
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IRC- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/tzm4s
Aliases- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/bjbx3
Extras- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/daxte
Nodes- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/ke2k8
Mining- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/c7na4

*****/XMR/ Monero General Poker Night*****
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Hang out and play Texas Hold'em with fellow MoneroChads safely over an anonymized network and hopefully win some XMR along the way!

To accommodate players from different time zones, Poker Night commences at 6:00 PM Sydney, Australia time and then rolls westward throughout the day, so in effect the entirety of Saturday = Poker Night, feel free to drop in at any time!

>STARTS
06:00 PM Sydney
10:00 Berlin
04:00 AM New York City


>WHERE
Poker Night alternates between Poker Club and XMR Poker to give both services traffic. This week XMR Poker is the designated host while Poker Club is the backup should there be technical issues or all tables reach capacity.

Neither service requires JavaScript.

>Poker Club
http://pokerggxmrvzecuo6afhucjwdljuve5eoavxdxdr6zedyejd6mvz5wad.onion

Dread: http://dreadytofatroptsdj6io7l3xptbet6onoyno2yv7jicoxknyazubrad.onion/d/PokerClub

>XMR Poker
http://xmrpoker3icphjr7c6dgct3by44ph4xvxrds4jzwjkjh7h2owdf6icyd.onion

Be sure to read the guides on either site to familiarize yourself with how things work.


>REQUIREMENTS
You will obviously need to download and install the Tor Browser to access the darknet.

https://www.torproject.org/download/

You will also need an unknown amount of XMR to play. Don't stake more than you can afford to lose.

Optionally, you can voice chat and coordinate over Jitsi for a more authentic social experience. Jitsi is FOSS and end-to-end encrypted.

https://meet.jit.si/
https://desktop.jitsi.org/Main/Download.html


Note that unlike with clearnet gaming, playing over Tor with Monero is by far the comfiest way to play because your identity, IP address and money trail cannot be established so you don't have to worry about legalities or about the tax man coming to collect his share of your winnings.

Good luck!!

When are we getting rich lads?

>>52370766
>When are we getting rich lads?

>Trusted technology, growing adoption

Zcash was launched by one of the most respected technical teams in the world.

Zcash is the 'https of blockchains,' protecting your freedom to save and spend as you like.

Zcash was the first project to implement zk-SNARKs, a novel form of zero-knowledge cryptography that gives its users the strongest privacy available in any digital currency.

Multiple, independent organizations are funded to innovate on Zcash.

Zcash is already available on top exchanges, digital wallets and a growing number of applications.

>>52371095
zcash is ran by mossad

This is what Monero chuds don't want you to know.

Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.

>>52371119

Get new FUD

>>52371175
>>52371129
>>52371095
>zog cash
no thanks

>>52371175
>FUD
wat?

>>52371095
>>52371129
>>52371175

Plz post more zemes.

>>52369770
I want to buy XMR with bitcoin I buy from Coinbase. I've seen reports of people having issues putting Bitcoin they buy with XMR on Coinbase, but I want to do the reverse: take BTC from coinbase and sell it for XMR on bisq.

>>52371582

Post more copes.

Anyone have any thoughts on firo in terms of privacy? Only bad things I've seen is the 51% attack stuff.

>>52371129
Zcrash

>>52372435
You're the one coping as if anyone is actually using ZCash for privacy. There are more spam transactions than there are real transactions.

WORKING AS INTENDED THOUGH!

Sexy monerochan pictures

>>52372474
Probably the runner up to Monero but not really going anywhere. Certainly more acceptable than pirate chain or zcash which are literal scams. Then again they might have some issues that I just don't know about.

>>52372560

>>52372571
okay thanks, that is kind of the conclusion I came to after some light research, just considering possibly mining it on an old pc

>>52372585
Fake monero-chan begone!

>>52372623
?

>>52372706
Can't you tell? It's obviously an AI generated image.

>>52372607
If it's an old PC you'd probably just be better off mining XMR with it. I don't think firo is ASIC resistant (thus your CPU gets outcompeted by GPUs) but I may be wrong.

>>52372728
I can tell because of the bottom. Who cares? AI is going to be the future of art in the future so you'd be better off getting over it. Makes artists lives easier too. The workflow will just be Generate from prompts -> manually touch up errors and discontinuities to fit the "intended" mental model of what the image should look like.

The only downside is if you're a shit artist because the only people who will work in art will be those with the best eye for composition.

>>52372787
>Who cares? AI is going to be the future of art in the future so you'd be better off getting over it.
I don't disagree. I called her fake because she really does look like a cheap chinese copy of monero-chan.

>>52372805
The poor neural network is doing his best = )

>>52372585
Someone made a finetune for Monero-chan? Nice!

>>52372523

The fact that the network still works despite being slammed is bullish.

>>52372585
tummy
>>52373196
cope

>>52373196
Nodes going offline from spam isn't exactly "working" but hey the ability to spam the network for $5 a day sure is a great feature!

>>52372729
hmm I'll just test both then, thanks man

I am only going to explain this once so hear my schizo thoughts out. Bitcoin will never return past ATH this was it. In fact the entirety of the crypto space is going to nuke there is a bottom but the bottom is roughly 3 digits bitcoin and it will crater the rest of the space with it. MT gox was mostly bullshit trading tactics to bring it up to 1k then crash down. Zoom out on the chart and you see btc was a dead in the water trading vehicle until 2017. The bitmex "institute" money tether backdoors was the start of the biggest rugpull. There is no liquidity no one is using btc in large enough volume to justify its valuation and the rest of the junk crapcoins rode off it. Monero is the only coin that will survive in 10 years because it has real liquidity and not exchange fraud activity. The fall in crypto marketcap will be a slow painful fall from here and by the time we hit 3 digits btc CBDC will be pretty much fully installed. We need to hold monero because it is the only way out, the light that jesus wants us to follow. BTC cannot have a large valuation ever again because there is no established decentralized marketplace to justify its demand. Satoshi was building an ecommerce platform that was no storefront just a form of money where the user builds their storefront and the hints made in bitcointalk posts lead to this. Satoshi abandoned btc development right around the time mt gox was nearing its end and monero was in early stages of pre release. We have to build on this coin, we are the wealth of a decaying society we just need to plant our seeds and express this wealth in our own gardens.

>>52374623
>There is no liquidity no one is using btc in large enough volume to justify its valuation
well obviously. bitcoin works terrible for it's intended purpose (as a currency)

Reporting in,
fuck Bitcoin.

Monero wins again. Totall nigger death for everyone else

>>52375039
...and Zcash.
Kill yourselves, shills.

>>52375056
I can't tell which one I hate more. Bitcoin because the community is filled with arrogant midwit "sat stackers" that will never change their shitty protocol or zcash for all it's half assed solutions and massive centralization + premine/devtax. They're both truly fucking terrible.

>>52375102
Easily Bitcoin. When Bitcoin eventually drops off the face of the earth after normal people realize it's just a scam (because it's not a good means of transaction or store of value, not even needing to touch on privacy) people will lose faith rapidly in all cryptocurrency, because Bitcoin is the first thing people think of when they hear about anything crypto.
It's going to be hard to build up trust after that crash, and it doesn't really seem like we can change Bitcoin as the "face of crypto" any time soon (have you ever talked with a Bitcoin maxi? It's like they're actual cultists).
Zcash will be lucky if it ends up being a footnote in history books. I'm just annoyed at how the last few threads seem to have a lot of shilling for it and being a general nuisance. Luckily, they'll fade away as soon as they stop being paid for it.

>>52368979
i'm very close to becoming a monero maxi and it's not because of ftx

Uh, bros? Someone just offered to buy all my monero for $10 each, and said “even that’s a very generous offer”… what’s going on?

>>52375654
tell them to come back with 13 times that amount, and that they will have a deal then.

>>52375654
Obviously a troll. You can sell it for 13x that price if you wanted to.

>>52375279
>have you ever talked with a Bitcoin maxi? It's like they're actual cultists
Buyers remorse will do that to you. They are attached to their shitty manipulated currency. Anyone looking at things objectively would not pick bitcoin. Money clouds their judgement.

I'm a monero maxi not because monero is some pinnacle of what a currency should be but because it is the only crypto currency that achieves the bare minimums. Everything else is a pathetic excuse for a currency. If the US dollar can be fungible there is NO excuse for bitcoin and other digital currencies.

Funny how when the whole market tanks XMRBTC goes up but when it's time for the exchanges to pump the markets bitcoin and shitcoins soar while xmr stays the same.

Funny, isn't it?

>>52372474
They recently changed the miner reward by decreasing it. They also increased the amount of block reward that goes to the (((masternodes))).

Their token issuance policy is changing on a whim by a handful of (((leaders))). They are a shitcoin.

Morning, frens. I want to get myself some Monerochan Zippos.

I'm interested in buying monero, however I also want to diversify for that added financial security.

Currently I'm thinking of:
66% XMR - Has proven utility and use in the relevant areas for privacy coins :^)
13% ATOM- SDK that will bring in more devs easier than other projects
13% DOT - Made by eth co-founder, still young
6% LTC - Improves upon btc by having lower fees, open software, (some) privacy being worked on
(yes I know this doesn't add up to 100, that's because the decimals are omitted for brevity)

I've decided against ICP, LINK, XRP, ALGO, and MATIC as there is too much FUD going around, and I wanted to limit my portfolio spread.
BAT will likely crab forever.
I believe that the growth rates across crypto long term will mostly be similar, it's just a matter of not investing in a scamcoin.

How reasonable of a portfolio would this be?
I don't want to over-diversify, 4 bags seems like a good amount.
Also gonna DCA of course.

>>52378931
I like ERGO bc it's ran by cool slav dudes who respect my Waifu.

>>52372560

>>52375371
same

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfSny4MkS3c

>>52368979
How goods this crash?
Hopefully, it will reduce the number of coins. There are far too many. It reduces the value if decent coins.
But a big buying opportunity.
Anyone got an update if image attached.

>>52378931
75% in XMR, 25% gamble

>>52380013
>Anyone got an update if image attached.
This website has stats on transaction count:
https://moneroj.net/translog/

>>52380013
Its 7.5% now.
It has been shit ever since the upgrade.

What do you think is a good target price to swap on the XMR/BTC pair in the current market? Will it bounce or should I wait for a bleed?

the holy trinity of decentralization

Sold all my btc and bought a bunch of drugs.
Gonna start stacking monero

>>52381308
>Anything but monero

Fag

>>52380867

>>52372217
depending on how much you want to spen look into incognito wallet. also, i would use litecoin instead since gas is cheaper. you send litecoin to incognito wallet, swap to monero and then send monero to your own wallet. incognito uses zero knowlege proofs i think so basically the crypto you shield using it could be considere untracable but i would still use monero if possible. try it with 10 bucks or something.

>>52371095
Isn't Zcash run by a literal tranny?

>>52371129
>support from regulators
So does USD.

>>52378931
Diversify into PMs, ammunition, stored food, water purification. If you have that layer covered then start researching shitcoins to gamble with.

>>52380013
>>52380177
umm, guys?? this doesn't look great
has everyone stopped buying drugs?

Monero is so comfy
>GPU mining crashes
Still comfy with my ryzens.
>Crypto market crashes
Still comfy with my coins with actual intrinsic value.

>>52382473
>has everyone stopped buying drugs?

Tor spam attack is making access to DNMs problematic.

>>52382473
graph is broken. It shows 1 tx/day, the minimum possible on a log scale

>>52382977
Nvm I'm stupid. Still I believe the graph is broken

>>52368979

Anons your participation needed, post advices and monerochans

Global Hyperinflation General /GHG/ >>>/pol/404097573

>>52382697
get on I2P
https://i2pd.network

Torrenting on invisible internet is comfy.

>>52383595
I fucked up. The URL is: https://i2pd.website/

>>52383612
>https://i2pd.website/
i dont know about you but id rather go to the official website.... https://geti2p.net/en/

>>52368979
it's fun seeing all the ponzi lending shit come crashing down. The Luna/3AC/FTX saga has been an incredible source of entertainment and also gives us a great chance to lower our cost-basis. love seeing the "the big exchange is more trustworthy and less likely to fuck up than if i had custody over my coins"-crowd getting burned wherever they go. burn it all down.

>>52383832
>i dont know about you but id rather go to the official website
i2pd is an alternative implementation for i2p network daemon.
The official one is written in Java. I2pd is written in C++. Both work well.

>>52383922
i2p also has an "easy installer" (currently in beta) for Windows, which is basically all the java dependencies bundled together and a modified version of the Tor Browser for easy use. I used it the other day, it was pretty nice. Wish they had it for Linux though

>>52375039
>>52375056
Cute Nekos. Anyways, Monero-chan best girl.

>>52384479
there is also a live OS like Tails but for i2p in the works and it comes with Monero wallets by default
https://www.reddit.com/r/i2p/comments/yqnary/i2p_based_live_os/
https://monero.observer/monero-official-wallets-included-i2p-based-live-os/

The CEO of Monero could not be reached for comment.

I'm all in on Monero so bullshit like FTX crashing doesn't concern me (1 XMR = 1 XMR). Although this whole thing brought DeFi to my attention. As a schizomaxing privacymaxing gigachad, is it something I should be concerned about? Is DeFi some privacy/security tool for digital finance like Monero? Explain like I'm retarded please

>>52385209
??? Who fucking cares about
>le regulated exchange ?
I thought we're all in on privacy here without a care for glowniggers and jews. What does this have to do with Monero?

>>52384855
I'm glad to see i2p finally get some more love these days. I'd really like to see an i2p version of Whonix though

Can any anon give me run down why i2p is better than tor?

>>52385262
"Defi" is almost entirely centralized scams because people figured out you can cut out 95% of development costs and headaches by just building these things with admin keys (read: they can steal all your money). If you want something cool that is actually decentralized finance, you can look at Bisq which is peer-to-peer software that runs a decentralized exchange. Allows you to buy and trade without KYC or permission from a centralized website. Haveno is going to be a clone of Bisq that used XMR instead of Bitcoin as the base trading pair for all transactions, so if/when that launches it should be substantially better for privacy.

>>52385495
the only "defi" application I use is Thorchain and that will either be magnified when they finally add XMR support or end as soon as Serai launches.

A combination between most volume on Serai-like cross-chain dexes, higher security trades on atomic-swap-based dexes like basic swap and finally Haveno and maybe even well-run CEXs like Kraken for fiat-trades would be the most solid system fulfilling everyones needs will be the endgame.

>>52385329
>>52385469
All I know is it started to grow recently due to Tor being down a lot of the time and people being unable to access forums like Dread?

>>52382697
It's the glowies.

>>52385469
I wouldn't say "better", they both have pros and cons. To put it simply
>Tor has a slightly more centralized approach, i2p operates more like torrenting
>i2p has each user act as a relay by default (traffic is still heavily encrypted, so you won't get roped into anything)
>eepsites tend to load faster

You can read more at this link
https://geti2p.net/en/comparison/tor

>>52385469
Here anon, see this:
https://odysee.com/@AlphaNerd:8/introduction-to-i2p:1

>>52382307
zooko isn't a tranny lol

>>52387348
>zooko isn't a tranny lol

>>52383595
>>52383612
>>52383832
i2p is a honeypot. always has been. the routing is intentionally worse, introducing variation that can be used to tag circuits.
There's a reason why Tor is being / has been actively attacked by every single state actor, and i2p is left alone.

>>52387401
he has a wife and a daughter and sometimes compromises your ideal of interweb tuff guy masculinity to indulge them
he is more of a man than you will ever be
post your wife+daughter, anon, I'll wait

>>52387434
>tuff guy masculinity

>>52386178
Let's go through that:
>Designed and optimized for hidden services, which are much faster than in Tor
They're faster because they're less secure.
>Fully distributed and self organizing
Not a meaningful security guarantee, if anything easier to infiltrate.
>Peers are selected by continuously profiling and ranking performance, rather than trusting claimed capacity
This is false, Tor also profiles and will not blindly trust claimed capacity.
>Floodfill peers ("directory servers") are varying and untrusted, rather than hardcoded
This is also false, Tor has root directory servers, but they are not trusted.
It sounds like this was written before the dirserv update that happened like, 5-7 years ago.
>Small enough that it hasn't been blocked or DOSed much, or at all
That means the anonymity set is too small to protect you.
>Peer-to-peer friendly
BitTorrent traffic is easy to identify, further shrinking the anonymity set.
>Packet switched instead of circuit switched
This means you roll the dice with every packet, as opposed to ever circuit. If packet switching was provably more anonymous than circuit switching, Tor would be using it by now.

>>52387490
sorry he isn't enough of a manly man to make your boipussy wet anon

>>52387571

>>52387411
>i2p is a honeypot. always has been. the routing is intentionally worse

>>52387552
>They're faster because they're less secure.
Source?
>Not a meaningful security guarantee, if anything easier to infiltrate.
True, but every project will be infiltrated by bad actors eventually, no matter what you do. Tor is not immune to this, it takes maybe 5 minutes to make a Tor node. I wouldn't consider i2p particularly vulnerable and they do have mitigations in place.
>That means the anonymity set is too small to protect you.
I agree, but the solution to that is to add more nodes. Using i2p by itself isn't a crime, so someone buying off AlphaBay isn't likely to get a visit from the feds, but I wouldn't trust it for anything serious (leaking sensitive documents, terrorism, etc.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hPm4eiiD08

>>52385847
Why does this picture make me feel sad? I cant take it anymore more bros. Its time to find meaning in myself, this cant be how it ends.

I'm hoping it FUCKING DIPS MORE.
I want to get more of it at a lower price

>>52388735
Yep. I am trying to get a suicide stack before the bear ends.

I took a trip to the cryptocurrency reddit to get some laughs at due to the recent FTX ordeal. When I got there litterally everyone of them is calling for regulation. Maybe people are simply too stupid to properly take advantage of crypto and we're wasting our time.

>>52379545
Was everything else corrupted from the start or was there a turning point when crypto died? Maybe the ICO days?
Hard to not feel let down by how it turned out.

>>52389773
Funny that no one realizes fraud and embezzlement has been illegal forever

>>52389951
Yep, funily enough the FTX CEO wanted more crypto regulation as well.

People will buy into ponzi schemes like LUNA then when they crash, cry for regulations. They also dont keep their coins in their own wallets. Crypto is nothing but "dollar value go up" at this point which is the only reason they want regulation. They want to unload their shitty bags on institutional investors and be rich. That's why I dont give a shit about any other crypto except XMR, it's the only community which despises regulation.

>>52389773

Greed and stupidity go together like PB&J

>>52390124
There are some others I hold but it's because I like their technical utility as public ledgers for holding asset tokens, so I keep a small balance to pay TX fees. I'm not dumb enough to think anything without mandatory privacy is good as a *currency*, though. For that I'm 100% XMR.

monero stickers are all over stockolm

>>52386178
With Tor you have to trust directory authorities of which there are only a few.
Tor is first and foremost made to be a proxy to clearnet websites with hidden services being a secondary feature.
Tor is TCP only and doesn't work well with P2P filesharing type applications.
Tor uses a circuit based system. Circuits stick around and they kinda break so you need to hard refresh the page with a new circuit/identity or it won't load anything after a while.
The Tor relay I run contributes very little bandwidth. You don't have much stake in the network as a user. The network is actually quite permissionned if you want to run a relay node: Directory authorities will block you if you're "suspicious" and don't IRL identify yourself.
Tor Browser Bundle, Tails, and Whonix, not to mention Whonix on QubesOS means things are thought out throughout the whole stack. Provides a complete anonymity solution.

With I2P it's fully decentralized but that makes it more vulnerable to sybil attack. On the other hand every user is a node. That makes a lot more nodes than Tor.
I2P is first and foremost made for hidden services. You can use an outproxy to access clearnet (and Tor) but that's just a basic proxy.
I2P supports TCP and UDP and works much better with P2P filesharing type applications.
I2P's packet style routing is a lot more reliable in my experience.
There is no mature I2P browser or Whonix equivalent to take care of anonymity throughout the whole stack. On the flip side, there are other varied applications like Torrents and Mail but some of it gives abandonware vibes. It needs to be packaged better.
My i2pd node consistently contributes all the bandwidth I give to it. It really makes me feel like a part of the network.

Me, I would like to use both simultaneously to hedge my bets. They compliment each other well in that regard, covering each other's vulnerabilities and being a backup in case one has a problem. I wish Whonix properly supported I2P.

>>52387552
STFU retard

>>52372571
So obvious you are biased with Monero, it is cool you are fine with monero, but take the bitter pill, a number of privacy projects are upcoming and have an equally robust tech for on-chain privacy

>>52392094
Thanks anon, your reasoning is sound. I use both too but Tor is indeed most user-friendly and best packaged.

>>52392306
Still waiting for a privacy first smart contact solution.

>>52392437
Why?

why is /xmr/ so comfy, lads?
also, is someone keeping count of the total number of threads?

>>52392094
i2p is based. All my nodes run through it. I do run a couple public tor nodes for bros to use

when are we getting rich, lads?

>>52386178
>eepsites tend to load faster
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, No.

>>52393321
They do for me after I increase my bandwidth settings

>>52388449
bro dont feel sad. i literally generated the picture to show my current feels about the market. hysteric laughter about the downfall of ponzi-crpyot

>>52393269
I await the day of the loli

>>52388277
>>They're faster because they're less secure.
>Source?
This is an inherent fact of low-latency anonymity systems. The faster something is, the less secure it is. On the far end of this spectrum, MixMinion (with enough nodes, which it does not now have) is secure against a global passive adversary.
>>Not a meaningful security guarantee, if anything easier to infiltrate.
>True, but every project will be infiltrated by bad actors eventually, no matter what you do. Tor is not immune to this, it takes maybe 5 minutes to make a Tor node. I wouldn't consider i2p particularly vulnerable and they do have mitigations in place.
We're talking about the dev team, Mr. CIA, not nodes.
>>That means the anonymity set is too small to protect you.
>I agree, but the solution to that is to add more nodes. Using i2p by itself isn't a crime, so someone buying off AlphaBay isn't likely to get a visit from the feds, but I wouldn't trust it for anything serious (leaking sensitive documents, terrorism, etc.)
So you agree nobody should use i2p. Great. Thank you.

>>52392094
>With Tor you have to trust directory authorities of which there are only a few.
False for decades.
>Tor is first and foremost made to be a proxy to clearnet websites with hidden services being a secondary feature.
False for decades.
>Tor is TCP only and doesn't work well with P2P filesharing type applications.
Tor is TCP only, true. This is not a problem for P2P. The problem is that p2p is inherently anonymity-breaking.
>Tor uses a circuit based system. Circuits stick around and they kinda break so you need to hard refresh the page with a new circuit/identity or it won't load anything after a while.
This is more secure. You pay for the security with the usability issues you mention. You are a CIA agent.
>The Tor relay I run contributes very little bandwidth. You don't have much stake in the network as a user. The network is actually quite permissionned if you want to run a relay node: Directory authorities will block you if you're "suspicious" and don't IRL identify yourself.
False.
>Tor Browser Bundle, Tails, and Whonix, not to mention Whonix on QubesOS means things are thought out throughout the whole stack. Provides a complete anonymity solution.
True.

>With I2P it's fully decentralized but that makes it more vulnerable to sybil attack. On the other hand every user is a node. That makes a lot more nodes than Tor.
False. Bandwidth is what matters, not node count. i2p has less bandwidth, and so a smaller anonymity set, than Tor.
>I2P is first and foremost made for hidden services. You can use an outproxy to access clearnet (and Tor) but that's just a basic proxy.
Not relevant. FUD.
>I2P supports TCP and UDP and works much better with P2P filesharing type applications.
Because that helps the CIA track people.
>I2P's packet style routing is a lot more reliable in my experience.
Meaning less anonymous.

>>52394141
based nameless tripfag

>>52395994
That's the guy that runs MoneroSupplies.com, iirc

Using/holding monero right now feels like sitting in a bunker while the world ends outside, the ponzis just keep collapsing and the market just keeps atrophying.

>>52392799
>also, is someone keeping count of the total number of threads?

>>52397146

>>52394141
Nonono my friend, I might get a different ID posting this, that's because that was sent by a different device.

tl;dr: person A looks at banana and thinks of nutrition. person B looks at the same exact banana and thinks of the color yellow.

The picture you posted, delivered a sense of fear. It encapsulated what many of us see as fantasies that we want to think is possible. The kind of things we think of in the shower and pretend to have happened and how we would react. No I am not saying I want to live in an anime, I don't even watch anime.

There is a feeling that, in some time in the past; you made decision that completely altered your life, you can think of it as a fork where you become something else. And you think upon a time where, if you had made different choices, you would've been in a position that you can be happy about. But you didnd't, you chose a different path. That is what I felt, that I could've had the moment in wheich I scould share a special few minutes with somebody, a shared moment that wasn't just in the figmentation in my mind. Something that would be sentimental between two people and beyond a price of any material object and the dopamine that brings.

I flinch, it strikes my heart because "I should've have done things that way", because once you do choose down that path; you feel the same sense of continuity that you feel when you decide your breakfast. You had cereal, not toast, you can't go back in time and you can't just redo breakfast in a meaningful way, if anything it is just an imposter of a genuine morning breakfast. Who can have toast and be happy about it in midnight, some can; but they'll know they mutilated and distorted the meaning of breakfast.

That's what I felt.

>>52397379
I've also been archiving threads where noteworthy announcements or developments are made in the tech or the community. More of a highlight reel.

>>52397779
like you said in the past...
It will be enjoyable to look back upon and reminisce these moments in time many years from now.

Where are the wownero shills trying to sell me their bags?
Been awfully quiet lately.

>>52392437
>Still waiting for protocol wide bloat.

>>52399041
replaced by ztrash shills to sell you Zookos bags.

This might be it guys. The other exchanges might be crashing. Tether might depeg. Holy fuck I am actually so fucking excited to see it. Kill all these disgusting worthless tokens that don't even function as a currency.

>>52399400
The best part is DNMs are here for good and will keep the only coin with real value as their currency even if it crashes to the floor.

Hey guys if I buy with local monero what am I supposed to do when I meet the guy ?do I need a cold storage key I forgot the name of it.

ONLY ORANGE IS TRVE
ONLY ORANGE IS REAL

Why does xmr dump with every other shitcoin? Is it jewish arbitrage bots?

>>52399622
>Hey guys if I buy with local monero what am I supposed to do when I meet the guy ?
Show him the QR-code of your subaddress that belongs to your Monero wallet.
And then hand him over the cash.

>>52400002
>Why does xmr dump with every other shitcoin? Is it jewish arbitrage bots?
Dump? Nigger we been moving up the marketcap list throughout this year.

>>52399434
>The best part is DNMs are here for good and will keep the only coin with real value as their currency even if it crashes to the floor.

A perk of being on the cocaine standard.

>>52387591
context?

>>52387434
>he has a wife and a daughter and sometimes compromises your ideal of interweb tuff guy masculinity to indulge them
so he's not the man of the house, he is just another mom

>>52401480
>context?

Typical Eurasian shithole (one of the -stans) wedding reception.

Bride & groom are on stage playing some kind of "find the thing first" game in front of friends & family. Bride wins, groom feels humiliated so Bruce Lee here asserts his manhood/restores his honor by belting her one like a real tough guy. His best man finds it amusing.

>>52397779
Ah great, mind you share it someday?

>>52402155
>His best man finds it amusing.
It is pretty funny to be fair.

>>52393636
By default i2p is set to use only 32Kbits/s. Absolutely retarded. That's probably the main source of complaints. You really need to set the bandwidth properly.

>>52395908
Except both Tor and I2P are classed as low latency. Tor isn't slower because it provides better anonymity. AFAIK it doesn't specifically add delays for anonymity. A proper mixnet is completely different.

>>52395975
Bitch please shut the fuck up. Tor network fundamentally relies on directory authorities. Their own docs clearly state this. A recent DDoS on dir auths brought the entire Tor network to its knees. An organized operation in USA and Germany on a few publicly known nerds, and their publicly known servers can take down the entire network.
>The problem is that p2p is inherently anonymity-breaking.
Bullshit. Typical brainwashed tortard who thinks the only p2p application that can exist is trying to torrent with a clearnet client on darknet. I guess Monero is anonymity-breaking.
>You are a CIA agent.
Given your completely empty and false responses and obsessed shilling in favor of Tor, I think the glownigger here is you.

Even if a completely decentralized system is more vulnerable to certain attacks on paper, I much rather have that than having to trust 10 specific nodes to not turn hostile or simply die. By that logic let's make Monero like that too! Have 10 master nodes be the judge of the whole network to prevent "attacks". Fucking retard.

>>52403021
>A recent DDoS on dir auths brought the entire Tor network to its knees.
Yep. I 'member that, anon.

>>52371129
>chuds
ignored.

https://soundcloud.com/morph-eus-1/payday-monsanto-chosenites-lament-320-kbps

Bump.

>>52368979

Anons your participation needed, post advices and monerochans

Global Hyperinflation General /GHG/ >>>/pol/404239461

Is 0.01 sats possible?
Seem like the old guy just doesn't have the strength it once had.

>>52405238
In less than a year we went from .004 to .007 so the same move would bring us to .01, not that unfeasible. Beyond that, the Department of Justice is now sitting on 50,000 Bitcoin that are going to be sold which will likely tank prices further, hurting Bitcoin disproportionately. Hard to say the timeline for that sale though.

>>52405238
>Seem like the old guy just doesn't have the strength it once had.

Bitcoin? Yeah, we've noticed lol

>>52405238

>sbf had back door for moving money to alameda
was it monero

>>52406139
Nah, he was too retarded to use a coin that would cover part of his tracks

>>52392306
And how many of them are associated with """DeFi"""" and other assorted mission creep/scams?

>>52376383
It's not just buyer's remorse; Bitcoin was supposed to be the solution to an unjust rigged economy where the powerful could just steal your money whenever they felt like it.

Fast-forward to now and not only has Bitcoin failed to prevent them from doing that on a mind-boggling scale, it's actually being used to ENABLE this theft; people like Bankman straight up used crypto as narrative/regulatory cover to operate totally legal ponzis that defrauded millions of people out of their savings and funneled it directly to the rich assholes who ruined everything in the first place. And as one last "fuck you", the same scumbags who used and tarnished Bitcoin's reputation to pull these scams off are now going to hurl Bitcoin under the bus and use their connections with the SEC et al. to have the whole technology banned. And, of course, they will then skip off scott free.

On top of this, the massive exuberant bubble of greed that this hijacking of crypto's mission enabled over the last few years rendered the technology largely useless; the Bitcoin developers were pressured into not implementing user-friendly changes to the protocol, instead choosing to keep massively unpopular design decisions that made Bitcoin more wasteful, (good for miners) harder to use (good for speculators) more likely to habitually fork into shit like Bitcoin Cash or SV or whatever (good for degenerate shitcoin gamblers who want a fragmented ecosystem) and less able to preserve anonymity (good for institutional investors and regulators). So now you can't even use the damn thing as a community hosted PayPal anymore, which you could totally do in 2010.

Bitcoin guys aren't (just) mad that they backed the wrong horse or whatever; they're mad that a technology they spent 10 years of their lives passionate about ended up captured by the very institutions it was supposed to fight and used as a weapon against the very people it was supposed to help.

To move to Monero is to admit these sad things.

>>52406139
No because nobody has that much xmr.
You can't keep stacking xmr and claim to be "hacked" at the same time.

>>52372560
FTX-chan!

>>52407264
Good post. Take my (You)

>>52408579
Thanks, anon!

>>52372474
>>52377445
this

>>52407264
>Bitcoin guys aren't (just) mad that they backed the wrong horse or whatever; they're mad that a technology they spent 10 years of their lives passionate about ended up captured by the very institutions it was supposed to fight and used as a weapon against the very people it was supposed to help.
>To move to Monero is to admit these sad things.
holy fucking based summary

>>52408859
I was very into bitcoin back in school, like, 10 years ago and I've said for a while now that Monero is crypto for people who fucking hate crypto.

Hopefully this FTX nonsense and impending total regulation of the crypto industry gives Monero room to realize Satoshi's promise of communally hosted payments instead of slamming the book shut for good.

>>52408940
>Monero is crypto for people who fucking hate crypto.

that's a really apt slogan

>>52406961
Not spoon feeding you, find out yourself and you will find privacy protocols interacting with smart contract

>>52409709
OK, so all of them.

>>52409727
You are just a pea sized brain sub human

>>52408356
Filters can’t hide the 5’oclock shadow. But can’t deny the hustle. Collect those xmr

Can’t wait to buy in at 60$

>>52409778
Can I use any of your things to buy cocaine on the Internet?

>>52409907
>60$
Not happening.

Interested in buying XMR but I am concerned about one piece of FUD. How can we actively verify the circulating supply of XMR to ensure that it isn't hyperinflating?

>>52409969
he is demoralized he used to say 40$
or is this high iq inverse fud

>>52410288
Checked the dubs.
Refer to this:
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug

>>52410288
>How can we actively verify the circulating supply of XMR to ensure that it isn't hyperinflating?

If there was an inflation bug exchanges would have an overabundance of supply.

>>52410365
Thank you

>>52410288
Every valid transaction must prove that it does not create XMR out of thin air. With Bitcoin that is lazily and badly done by simply showing the values being used as inputs, and outputs. On Monero, mainly Perdensen commitments are being used, that is basically you multiply by a value, and show that.

Because of how elliptic curves work, division as an operation does not exist to reverse that multiplication. So if you have an output with "a" amount of XMR, and another with "b" amount of XMR. And you will spend "c" amount of XMR. And obviously they sum up, c=a+b. As division does not exist, you can simply post a*G, b*G, and c*G as the proofs and the miners will simply have to sum up the input commitments, and look at whether it's equal to the input commitments. Why?

a + b = c // multiply by G
(a + b)*G = c*G // resolve the parenthesis
a*G + b*G = c*G // the sum of the input commitments equals the sum of output commitments

No need to know what the original values were. Obviously this is extremely oversimplified, as there are caveats like blinding factors making sure nobody makes a lookup table for values, range proofs to make sure the values are not negative, or math that makes sure the receiver knows what he has received. But hopefully this should give you an idea as to how hiding the values yet making sure they are valid works.

>>52410613
Thanks for the writeup anon. That was nice to read.

I know zcash is stupid, but is it at least okay enough that kyc zcash -> p2p monero is an okay onramp?

>>52410927
why are you using kyc zcash as an onramp anyways?
You can use litecoin or bitcoin and then use orangefren.com or trocador.app to swap into XMR.

BUt yeah, feel free to dump zeecash for XMR, all the better.

>>52411039
I'm not, it's just an idea because I've heard that kyc exchanges track transactions from your wallet and probably share the data with everyone. I'm asking if zcash is at least private enough that it would stop that, making it a good middleman for buying xmr.

>>52411723
(by "your wallet" I mean whatever wallet you withdraw to, not the fake online wallet)

>>52410365
For whoever maintains that site, "use MoonPay" is my recommendation for buying these days. Algorand and Litecoin can both be bought inside mobile wallets via MoonPay: Cake Wallet for LTC, Pera Algo Wallet for Algorand. Then a non custodial swap site lets you swap either for Monero. I tend to prefer Algorand as an onramp because it's faster and cheaper per transaction than Litecoin, but this requires juggling three different apps (swap site, Algo wallet, Monero wallet) so it's not as easy as doing everything inside Cake Wallet.

>>52411723
As far as I know most exchanges use the transparent taddresses, as they are literally the same as in Bitcoin (zcash is a fork of Bitcoin Core with the ZK stuff added in as extra) so not much code is needed to implement that. And as taddresses are traceable, the same goes as for other surveillance coins. They know that you have X amount in cypto and if they follow, that you exchanged it to Monero.

You could use the shielded pool to "mix" it, but that is smoke and mirrors as everyone can see how much entered and left said pool. So if you bought X amount of ZEC, shielded it to a zaddress, and then un-shielded it to reveal X amount of ZEC, you just did some security theater. And even if you withdraw several times, patterns will eventually emerge (fees, timing, extra transactional data, transaction chains, etc...), especially for larger sums.

Either way, it's a bit better than other surveillance chains, due to the extra effort needed. However the biggest risk to your privacy is still KYC, as no matter what you do after, a certain amount is going to be linked to you personally. So just avoid KYC. See https://kycnot.me or https://trocador.app the Monero community has put a lot of effort throughout the years to maintain the p2p nature, even when CEXes can wash-trade and acquire so much liquidity.

>>52409960
Privacy is for business people with a safety mindset not for scumbags like you

>>52368979
any chance Monero gets down to $100 or less? I want to buy more, but I want to time it better. I just realized I'm already down over 50% since I started "investing" again in crypto in 2020. That being said, that "down 50%" includes times I have used xmr to purchase goods and services, which probably is somewhere between 1 and 2 thousand

>>52412519
Privacy doesn't mean anything unless you're going against government or corporate wishes.

>>52411723
you don't need middleman between your CEX and monero wallet. Once you withdraw your monero to your personal wallet it becomes untraceable, just make sure you don't use your main wallet address.
Also buy from localmonero, its easier.

>>52412001
I see, thanks for the info. The only reason I was thinking about doing it that way was because p2p prices from fiat are all over the place and it would be nice to use crypto there instead, but it's not really a huge problem.

>>52412583
The kyc exchanges won't sell xmr where I live, and even if they did I would be scared of getting my account frozen when trying to withdraw.

>>52412578
You need a whole lot of spoon feeding on privacy, you cant get it here.

>But you need to buy muh bitcoins! Bitcoin is digital GOLD and a STORE OF VALUE, didn't you know? Everything else is a SCAM other than bitcoin! The maxis were right!

>>52414836

1 XMR = 1 KG

>haven't fucked around with xmr in nearly a year
>pull up exodus and see this
hwat does this mean and how much better is v16?

>>52415867
>Exodus
switch immediately. Send all funds to a new wallet (Preferably the official ones) with a different seedphrase. Exodus is closed source. Closed source software is not safe.

>>52415867
>hwat does this mean and how much better is v16?
https://www.getmonero.org/2022/07/19/monero-0.18.0.0-released.html
https://www.getmonero.org/2022/04/20/network-upgrade-july-2022.html

>>52416140
ok I'll send it to cakewallet once I jump through the update hoops

>>52416234
thank you

Bros I'm so comfy, monero still does what it's supposed to do and I'm slurping
We are truly gonna make ir aren't we

>>52411723
It shouldn't matter because there's no way to trace funds FROM that wallet, so all they'll know is that you sent some Monero to a wallet you have the keys for and then the trail goes cold.

If you're very paranoid about accidentally reusing addresses on forums so people can recognize you from there, make a separate subaddress for the exchange and only use it there.

>>52412519
Buying cocaine is a business.

bump

>>52369041
nice ad scammer. this whole thread is a scam of the OP, to get fees from his pool.

>>52418162
Nigger what the fuck are you talking about?

>>52418162
>this whole thread is a scam of the OP, to get fees from his pool.
actually retarded post. p2pool isn't owned by anyone.

>>52412519

dude wtf

business people love cocaine

>>52419237
Unironically the one-sentence value proposition and killer app for Monero, as well as a clear and irrefutable argument for why it is the heir to Bitcoin's intent and legacy:

"You can buy cocaine with it on the Internet."

You don't even need other arguments at that point.

>>52419459
Monero will be the ONLY crypto left standing.
The ONLY one!

>>52419699
Based Monero Orane color ID and digits.
need more proofs?

>>52419716
Orange^

>>52407264
screencapped

>>52407410
talmudic sorceress

Bump for seraphis jamtis.

>>52394141
Generated? Which AI?

So what are you going to do when bit coin gos under and nobody want magic internet coins?

>>52422352
As long as you can't buy nono things with normal money, people will need to have magical internet money.

>>52422352
I will be happy when bitcoin goes to 0. Where it belongs. XMR will always be relevant because of DNMs.

>>52422852
true but they dont want something that's over valued that worth nothing over night.

This piece of shit keeps dumping. Great medium of exchange, poor store of value. If you're holding XMR besides the small quantity required to transact you are a fucking moron.

>>52423001
>This piece of shit keeps dumping.
>>52400314

>>52423001
This. Buy "the open network" coin instead.
Just look how it's pumping.

>>52423281
Better yet, he should buy the dogcoin. I herd elon musk wil make it the twatter coin. To da moon bros! wagmi

>>52371095
6 months without browsing /biz/ and when I come back the zcash shill is still going strong, with the exact same replies too.
gotta respect the consistency.

>>52372435
>NAFO-tier propaganda
you're unironically Mossad kek

>>52374623
I like this line of thinking, but I propose some alternative schizo thoughts.
I think bitcoin will most likely serve a purpose that you might be not appreciating. There's a good amount of bitcoin that is not associated with an identity. From people trading over Tor to OTC intermediaries dealing directly with private individuals, you still have some very hard to trace bitcoin going around. It doesn't work very well as a currency but it does a decent job of being an alternative money that is not subject to any old era regulation, law, ban, sanction, etc. Very rich people and institutions will certainly keep using intermediaries to make big overseas transactions operating "legally" under some shell corporation while executing immense transfers of money, with the caveat that individuals can also hold it sovereignty, like gold.
You'd be correct to point out that monero works like bitcoin but doing everything better, in a way that you can eliminate the intermediary. The point is that many of these very rich people would still use intermediaries because they can't bother.
And in the old structure (think Swiss banks and other fiscal paradises before the internet era) with all these intermediaries, maybe transparency could be even desirable. I imagine these places would also offer the service of exchanging bitcoin for monero for those seeking private personal storage and usage.
Anyway, even if I understand where you're coming from, reality is that bitcoin will probably have its place and I think it's going to be a big one. Just check central banks on their gold buying spree. Fiat currencies are worthless, but gold and silver are too cumbersome for international trade and any 'digital' version of it would be operated by a centralized institution which is an instant show stopper. Except due to an actual apocalypse, the internet is not going anywhere and international trade will keep going. If the dollar crashes people will use alternatives.

>>52378931
>I'm interested in buying monero,
My holdings on Monero are absolutely minimal, i loaded more Sylo coz it does more than privacy, also covers metaverse, web3 and NFT.

>>52378931
>I've decided against ICP, MATIC
Kek, i'm working towards 5k MATIC, while the bear run goes on

>>52424161
NFT are picking up good utility around Defi too. Started to stake NFTs like the Juno bears on the LOOP finance NFT market place.

based crab coin
>>52423891
more like delusion kek

>>52424640
>based crab coin

>>52424640
based LebAnon

>>52423001
>This piece of shit keeps dumping. Great medium of exchange, poor store of value. If you're holding XMR besides the small quantity required to transact you are a fucking moron.

>>52371095
Didn't some of the (((zcash devs))) said they would make zcash "too traceable" for hackers?

>>52425696

Glow niggers found moneromarket.io, I wonder if any burger falls for it.

>>52426829

lol that or somebody forgot they're not on the darknet anymore.

>>52410927

Using Zcash is smarter than using Monero, ring signatures will not protect you.

>>52411039

lol Zcash isnt the onramp, Zcash is the solution! Guess some folks just gotta learn the hard way.

>>52411723

The morons are just trying to scare you into using their broken "privacy" coin. Google 'zero knowledge proofs' for the truth.

>>52368979

Anons your participation needed, post advices and monerochans

Global Hyperinflation General /GHG/ >>>/pol/404371608

>>52412001

Bullshit. Shielded Zcash transactions provide perfect privacy in comparison to Monero's coin mixing shell game.

Its shameless lying at this point.

>>52412570

Monero will go sub $50 and likely lower once a critical mass of investors realize it doesnt actually work as well as is claimed.

Consider buying Zcash instead, its the real deal, Google 'zero knowledge proofs' and see for yourself.

>>52413111

Everybody here is a bagholder waiting to dump on you. If they genuinely cared about privacy they wouldn't keep perpetuating outright lies about Zcash.

>>52415616

1 XMR < 1 ZEC soon.

Get your Zircash shit out of here you pootroon. This is a Monero Maximalist thread.

Appreciate the bump tho.

>>52416753

The hopium is strong with this one.

>>52427431

lol u mad

>>52426829
>Glow niggers
Dude that's hemp flower. It doesn't get you high and it's been legal in all 50 states since 2018

>>52426998
>Using Zcash is smarter than using Monero, ring signatures will not protect you.

It's all so tiresome.

>>52427092
>Google 'zero knowledge proofs' for the truth.

Monero also uses ZKP, you unmitigated retard.

>>52427197
>Shielded Zcash transactions provide perfect privacy

1. Unproven cryptography that could well be fatally broken.
2. Leaks the sender's IP address.

>>52427941
What a dysgenic bunch.

>>52427474
>lol u mad

Gotta say, your zemes are so utterly shit they actually qualify as masterpieces.

Licking Monero-chan's tummy.

>>52428591
Based

>>52426998
>>52427092
>Samefagging from the same id
You know if you didn't act the way you do I might have forgotten how stupid your coin is by now. It's like you go out every night plastering the city with propaganda posters reading "I am retarded"

>>52369126
I was told transaction fees solve this

>>52419887
Better one with no long-ass lines and more than 10 times smaller file size.

>>52429758
Also

>>52425696

What are people using these days to transfer BitCoin to a Monero wallet?

>>52429741
>I was told transaction fees solve this

Hi, this is Matthew Kratter from Trader University. Did you know that in future Bitcoin fees will range anywhere from $100 to $100K?

>>52430046
cake wallet, orangefren.com, trocador.app, stack wallet

>>52430046
cake wallet supports both. OP recommends using Bisq or Kucoin, or other P2P nonKYC exchanges. You can generate a single use receipt address for your xmr

>>52427887

Monero uses weaker ZKP, nimrod.

>>52427941

1. Sufficiently proven, Zcash has been around since 2016.
2. That will be seen to eventually.

>>52427996

Better get used to them cuz we're staying

>>52430912
>>52430959
Hey man quick question for you, why should I use Zcash over xmr when none of the darkness drug markets I use accept Zcash as payment when they do accept xmr? Zcash just isn't useful to me.

Why don't zfaggots start their own /gen/ ? They are literal parasites feeding off of the popularity of the /XMR/ generals.

QQ, that's amazing! Everybody knows that crypto is the future, but have you tried Bspin?

>Safe, secure Casino with a wide variety of provably fair Bitcoins games.
>Huge Giveaway with 15,000$ Prize pool.
>Trustworthy / Lightning fast performance / Champion minded team of experts

>>52431016

DNMs have their heads up their ass about Zcash due to all the relentless FUD being propagated by Monero chuds.

But in the end the penny WILL drop and the superior solution WILL win and it WILL be Zcash. Consider yourself lucky enough to be able to buy the next Bitcoin while its still below $100.

>>52430986
>>52430959
>>52430912
>>52427474
>>52427439
>>52427383
>>52427340
>>52427280
>>52427197
>>52427092
>>52427037
>>52426998
picrel. need i say more?

>>52421913
StableDiffusion, NovelAI model + settings according to voldy guide

>>52431046

We would if you faggots wouldn't keep raiding them with your FUDbots.

Now you get to enjoy our company 24/7.

I'm still on the fence about Monero. Perhaps if you post moar lewd Monero girl I shall be convinced

>>52431152

Sich stress testing of the chain only proves it performs well under pressure. Bullish.

>>52431236
pressure? 1 dude has been slowly trickling piss on your chain and your devs have done absolutely nothing. i genuinely cant believe anyone is seriously defending this crap, you have to be a monero-person larping because apparently the FTX collapse this week wasnt enough entertainment or something.

>>52431191
>We would if you faggots wouldn't keep raiding them with your FUDbots.

>>52431294

Its being worked on. But the fact that everything still works is rather impressive, don't you think?

>>52431331

Sneed.

Yo zcash shill what happened to your multiple IPs?
Did the bear market get to you?
Don't tell me zooko stopped paying you?
There used to be atleast some effort back in a day, now it's just one lonely poster copy pasting the same replies.

>>52431668
he lost all sense of shame, he is just an empty shell of a man.

>>52424161
>web3
I DCAed into some web3 assets: LINK, ORE, ENS. Not fucking heard of Sylo

>>52431668

You seem upset, anon. Everything OK? Or is Zcash's existance making you anxious?

>>52431845

Its easy to weather all insults when you know you're on the winning side of history.

>>52430094
So what incentive do I as an individual have to own Bitcoin today and what amount is necessary before it becomes too expensive to do anything with? Or does one hope for the wallet address to be bought in fiat at some point?

>>52432215
>So what incentive do I as an individual have to own Bitcoin today

Think of it as a lottery ticket. Maybe you get lucky and the market continues being irrational indefinitely.

>>52432029
Please don't be a faggot. Original source:
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/4481614
@Octoboo on twitter.

>>52432029
>>52432481
Zfags always complain about how monero is used for misdeed but they also have no issues stealing art to shill their own shitcoin.
The irony...

>>52432573
>Zfags always complain about how monero is used for misdeed but they also have no issues stealing art to shill their own shitcoin.
>The irony...

>>52431236

>>52433740
remember when their z-corp sponsored twitter account posted shit like this?

>>52434075
I was spamming that site with memes, if I rememebr right that account was automated. If you want to shit on zeme.team ask the zcash community why it cost $50k to develop (50 or 60?)

>>52434075

I believe that was uploaded during the raid and automatically Tweeted, just like picel lol

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$7k BTC, $70 XMR
don't forget it anons

>>52431114
KEK

Delusional