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P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shutdown/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. When P2Pool reaches 51% of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL DIRECTLY FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET!

If you have a PC or laptop:

1. Download Monero GUI
https://i.imgur.com/ZGefPef.png

2. Pick 'Advanced' mode
https://i.imgur.com/4c0uSE4.png

3. Set up your wallet
https://i.imgur.com/4lMKh00.png

4. Keep the default Daemon settings "Start a node automatically in the background"
https://i.imgur.com/maACmmT.png

5. Once sync'd, go to Advanced->Mining and pick 'P2Pool'. If you have a laptop or low-end PC (~50 kH/s) pick "Mini" pool, else pick "Main"
https://i.imgur.com/E60JeMG.png


>YOU CAN USE P2POOL-COMPATIBLE REMOTE NODES IF YOU DO NOT HAVE YOUR OWN LOCAL COPY OF THE BLOCKCHAIN
https://xmrvsbeast.com/p2pool/monero_nodes.html


OTHERWISE SWITCH TO A SMALLER POOL, IT TAKES YOU 30 SECONDS AND YOU CAN JUST SOURCE A DIFFERENT CONFIG FILE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FUCK UP YOUR EXISTING ONE.

Many inexperienced miners think that big pools give better profits which is not the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
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>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****


Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://monero.com/marketplace
https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/
https://acceptedhere.io/catalog/currency/xmr/

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (currently US only)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>AlphaBay
>Archetyp
>Asur Market
>Chimera Market #
>Cloud Market #
>Dark Matter #
>Darkmoon #
>FilthyFellas
>Mellow Market #
>Retro Market #
Onion links: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/fs7ax


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Kilos
>Majestic Bank
>Elude
>Infinity Project
https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/8cunb


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Poker Club: play no-limit Texas Hold'em in real time with 2-8 players over the safety of Tor with the privacy of Monero! No user account required.
http://pokerggxmrvzecuo6afhucjwdljuve5eoavxdxdr6zedyejd6mvz5wad.onion

>XMR Poker
http://xmrpoker3icphjr7c6dgct3by44ph4xvxrds4jzwjkjh7h2owdf6icyd.onion


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://magicgrants.org/funds/monero/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

>The irrational exuberance of cryptocurrency investors

Irrational exuberance is characterized as a hype-fueled mania that causes investors to massively overestimate an asset's real-world value. In this delusional state, investors tend to become so smitten with expectations of greater profits that they disregard the assets’ potentially weak fundamentals and drink the proverbial Kool-Aid.

This then leads to them recklessly and repeatedly buying into whatever asset is currently rising in the charts, thereby triggering and/or sustaining an asset bubble. This bubble is kept inflated solely by the mass delusion that the market price is justified and will only keep going up in future, effectively becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. Note that bubbles can last for years, especially in an age of easy investor on-boarding. However, when history inevitably repeats and the bubble bursts that optimism invariably turns into panic as the asset crashes back down to its real-world value.

In finance, the "greater fool theory" suggests that one can sometimes make money through the purchase of overvalued assets—items with a purchase price drastically exceeding the intrinsic value—if those assets can later be resold at an even higher price.

In this context, one "fool" might pay for an overpriced asset, hoping that he can sell it to an even "greater fool" and make a profit. This only works as long as there are enough new "greater fools" willing to pay higher and higher prices for the asset. Eventually, investors can no longer deny that the price is out of touch with reality, at which point a sell-off can cause the price to drop significantly until it is closer to its fair value, which in some cases could be zero.

This effect is often further exacerbated by herd mentality, whereby people hear stories of others who bought in early and made big profits, causing those who did not buy to feel a fear of missing out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g

>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total Bitcoin = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings Bitcoin would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per Bitcoin and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL.

And that’s assuming energy costs do not increase at all over the next 120 years, which they will.

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

>>52291428
Based.

Reporting in
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IRC- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/tzm4s
Aliases- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/bjbx3
Extras- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/daxte
Nodes- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/ke2k8
Mining- https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/c7na4

>>52291876

>>52292008

>>52291606
miner technology will advance. Also - your data says miners break even on energy expenses at $22k?? That is false considering I'm mining at a $15k profit on 90 s19jpro 104th. Energy cost is 2.5c/kwh. Where tf you mining at bruh

Monero privacy protection:
>You want to know about Ring signatures? Oh haha, it's a well defined protocol. Yeah it's basically like a bunch of people sign the document, one of which is the sender. Their signatures together form proof that the sender signed it, but nobody knows who exactly it is. Here's the formula bro. You're welcome
>14 page white paper
Ztranny privacy protection:
>Yeah we use this thing called zero knowledge proofs. Yeeeeah it basically means nobody knows who sent the money that's why it's called zero knowledge (there's zero knowledge and that's where Zcash gets it's name, because it's private :)) Oh how does it work? Well basically uuhh, IT JUST DOES OK???
>Here's a 200 page white paper uuh no I don't know why there's a background chapter about hash functions but it's probably important or something
Can somebody point me to LITERALLY ANY document explaining how Ztranny nigger privacy protection actually works. I'm convinced I'm being trolled at this point. Writing a paper on the topic and I'm thinking this is an actual scam coin

Reporting in,
fuck Bitcoin.

>>52292691
Why are anime girls so perfect

>>52293400
Checked.

>>52292497
Who the fuck cares, you dumb copypasta-from-the-previous-thread nigger faggot?

>>52291876
HELP ME WIREY!!!

>>52293705
I care because I'm interested in privacy technology you dumb nigger :) I think it's pretty amazing the only competitor of XMR appears to be complete smoke and mirrors bs and nobody's talking about it

>>52294477
Checked.

>appears to be complete smoke and mirrors bs.

kek.

Thanks for the early Christmas present, kike. Happy Hanukkah.

>>52291876
based.

>>52291428
Monerochads, I dumped a whole lot and bought unknown monero stack.. averaging 363 dollars a piece during the 2017 bullrun.
Monero is 131 euros today... I could have literally tripled my stack had I waited for 5 years...
What do I do to feel less bad bros?

Monero bros, we got a discount. But at what price?

>>52295736
>But at what price?
glad i could help

>>52295790
Is XMR going up, or down?

Shaken not shook. When your stacks' value dips under your cash position it's time to buy

>>52294477
read the whitepaper and point out where exactly you see the issue.

I slurped an unknown amount

>>52295446
You haven't lost anything unless you sell for a lower price. Keep holding, it'll go back up with time. Also don't buy when it starts to spike unless you're planning to sell ASAP or hodl for awhile

>>52291428
Is it a good time to buy now with the market getting slaughtered?

>Trusted technology, growing adoption

Zcash was launched by one of the most respected technical teams in the world.

Zcash is the 'https of blockchains,' protecting your freedom to save and spend as you like.

Zcash was the first project to implement zk-SNARKs, a novel form of zero-knowledge cryptography that gives its users the strongest privacy available in any digital currency.

Multiple, independent organizations are funded to innovate on Zcash.

Zcash is already available on top exchanges, digital wallets and a growing number of applications.

This is what Monero chuds don't want to know.

Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.

>>52296962
>Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.
Name a single DNM that uses ZTrash and I will dump my life savings into Xcash.
Ziggerfaggot

>>52296432
>I slurped an unknown amount
Mee too.

>>52296498
Just dca
>>52297143
Based

>>52291876
Hey Wirey, can you set up a Gamja IRC web client for your chat room so anons can chat without having to use a desktop client and configure tor through it? It would make things so much easier.

>>52291428
Sorry, but an alternative called Discreet is already faster, smaller, and much more private than Boomnero. Tick-tock!

>>52298696
Keep your pajeet coins sir

I bought 2 moneros today. If we dip again then maybe I will buy more

>>52292308
Miner technology advancing will accelerate this issue, not fix it. If a new ASIC comes out that is 100x better then the network isn't "more secure" because there is more hashes, it just means that anyone who wants to compete to participate in consensus NEEDS to buy the new equipment which will always consume more energy (which costs money).

The price to attack the network is based on the price to buy the equipment to create the attack. So revolutionizing ASIC mining to produce more hashes is not going to increase the price to attack unless the ASIC is more expensive (which disincentives mining) and by doing so more energy will need to be consumed by miners to stay in competition with each other. Each new ASIC only increases how much energy the system must eat up to prevent an attack. New ASICs doesn't mean less ASICs, it just means the ASICs are consuming more energy.

If you think about it miners pay money for a proportion of the consensus, which is not something that changes with new ASICs. If miners are willing to pay 300 million (random "for the example" number) for current ASIC equipment and a new ASIC comes out that outcompetes their equipment then rationally they will also spend 300 million on the new ASICs. the price to attack the network is still 300 million but the cost to keep the ASICs running is higher because the energy draw is higher.

tl;dr better ASICs consume more energy without providing better resistance to attack because the price to attack the network is based on how much people are willing to pay for the ASICs and their uptime costs (which perpetually increases).

i'm trying to trade 80 bucks worth of btc for xmr on bisq and it's asking for a 400 bucks security deposit wtf is that normal?

>>52300030
Sounds like a scam. Avoid.

>>52300030
>we need to send enough bitcoin to our Bisq wallet to cover a security deposit as well as trading and mining fees
https://docs.bisq.network/getting-started.html#:~:text=Security%20deposits%20help%20prevent%20fraud,an%20offer%20to%20sell%20bitcoin.

>>52300030
With such a small amount just use unstoppable swap.
https://unstoppableswap.net/

>>52300095
ok but why is the security deposit 369% of the trade amount?
>>52300109
è_é

>>52291428
HELLO THERE IS A GIANT SCAM HAPPENING RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR EYES. WE'RE BEING ROBBED. THEY TAKE ALL THE LIFECHANGING OPPORTUNITIES AWAY FROM US. YOU COULD'VE BOUGHT HEX AND ENJOYED THE 10,000X BUT YOU TOLD ME MONERO IS THE BEST TOKEN EVA. YOU LIAR VISHNU WILL PUNISH YOU FOR THAT DEVASTATING LANGUAGE THAT ROLLED OVER YOUR TONGUE. YOU WILL NEVER REDEEM NOR OWN A HEX LAMBO

>>52300252
Shut up faggot.
Noone cares about your gay life

>>52297143
I would have consensual relations with this monerochan

>>52300252
tripfag

>>52300252

Nigger

>>52292497
No one has the time to go through some piece of shit, also know that not only zcash makes use of zero knowledge proof, MINA, DERO, Railgun all make use of that.

>>52301863
I would let her have non consensual relations with me

>>52304493
and they are all shit.

>>52296447
Thanks fren, I've always known this

>>52296498
Not sure, it's better to keep holding, or just find a way to put your assets to work, I already converted my staking rewards to tezos on Binance and Coinbase, and transferred to the sylo wallet for a good returns

>>52304493
Monero also makes use of ZKP, z-kike shills seem to ignore that though, and believe that ring signatures is how all of Monero's privacy works.

>>52294477
Privacy is based, only retards talk ill about it

>>52304928
You are just a swine with some mechanical brain. What makes them shit?

Bump for seraphis
https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=EhqHyaqC8-c

Went to xmrposter.club searched for the words "nigger" and "kike", 0 results. Back to XMR General.

the only viable holds right now
anything else is going to zero or will be barting for eternity

>>52307006
>Went to xmrposter.club searched for the words "nigger" and "kike", 0 results.
Be the change you want to see in the world.

>>52291428
sorry but fuck that picture OP. hate this vibe. wtf...

https://youtu.be/GDDF6V1o_-4

>>52307078
kek.

https://youtu.be/QA3YZVDUN5s

>>52291428
>>52307098
Lmao nice zogbot thread. Donating to isis goes straight into the pockets of you know (((who))).

>>52307355
Checked and based.

>>52305408
kys zchud. token not needed.

>>52307098
yes it's pretty cringe. everyone knows terrorist organizations are state funded.

It's also just stupid thinking it's "cool" to associate yourself with ISIS. nothing wrong with being the currency you buy drugs with (because drugs should be legalized) but being a terrorist isn't something to celebrate.

>>52307378
>inb4 BUT THEY USE THE MONEROEZZ!!!
Is that Jewish funded killing of goyim really the branding you want to have? Could have at least used hezbollah that's behind a semi-normal cause.

>>52307464
>but being a terrorist isn't something to celebrate.
You have to go back.

>>52291428
mining doesn't make sense at all. you need like a dozen 5850s to make it worthwhile.

>>52307506
KYS nigger. Jews make snuff porn of killing goyim and you jerk off to it and celebrate it. Pathetic.

>>52307543
no u.

>>52307558
You serve the same "people" who are currently trying to ban and destroy monero and you do their bidding (for free).

>>52307664
meds.

>>52307378
>>52307502
>>52307543
>>52307664
>muh kikes.

>>52307752
Discussion about kikes belongs in a kike-flavoured monero thread, no?

>>52307752
They aren't wrong about the nefarious acts of these lesser men, but Monero is still the best crypto and keeps the kikes at bay

>>52307931
>but Monero is still the best crypto and keeps the kikes at bay
I agree and I want Monero to succeed so I hate it being associated with kike-funded goyim killers.

>>52307960
>I hate it being associated with kike-funded goyim killers.
I agree. OP made a poor choice for his image

>>52297734
texans would only side with russians to get their hands on sick ass vals

>>52307506
>>52307558
The goal of monero is to lift up society, not mass murder civilians. You are a man child sitting in your mothers basement talking to us about how we need to support government funded aggression over seas. Fuck off and die you pathetic subhuman.

>>52307664
I wouldn't be surprised if they're false sentiment bots sent here to make us look retarded. It makes no sense to support the same slimy fucks who hate the monero project.

>>52307464
>It's also just stupid thinking it's "cool" to associate yourself with ISIS. nothing wrong with being the currency you buy drugs with (because drugs should be legalized) but being a terrorist isn't something to celebrate.

1. You're on 4chan, pal.
2. Any ISIS references you see here are due to them ditching Bitcoin and moving to a Monero-only standard back in 2020

Yeah, they might otherwise be assholes but their unwavering commitment to fungibility is admirable.

>>52308416
>Any ISIS references you see here are due to them ditching Bitcoin and moving to a Monero-only standard back in 2020

I don't support pedophiles just because they use my favorite coin.

>>52308416
+1.

In other news, haveno dex has now a new project leader:

https://haveno.exchange/blog/erciccione-leaves-core-team/

>>52308432
>I don't support pedophiles just because they use my favorite coin.

There is a difference between acknowledging something and supporting it.

>>52308446

finally!

>>52308460
+1.

>>52308477 But he is getting replaced by VIk of Cake.

>>52308446
Finally, I hated that fucking insufferable faggot.

>>52308489
Isn't Vik cool?

>>52308523
Vik, maybe. But Justin the Fag is cringe.
Don't forget, the "Comply First" campaign was his shit. Anything J-the-Fag touches becomes gay.

>>52308446
>In other news, haveno dex has now a new project leader:
>https://haveno.exchange/blog/erciccione-leaves-core-team/
I will now support the exchange. Dude made the CoC boot anyone who posts "sexualized" Monerochans.

>>52308460
>There is a difference between acknowledging something and supporting it.

And what was I responding to? Oh right, someone supporting them.

>>52308523
Not exactly "cool" as a few core team members don't really like that their website was masquerading (allegedly unintentionally) as the "official" site. They didn't say that it's the official site of course but to a newcomer it seems that way before they added the disclaimer and color scheme changes. There is also the fact that Vik already owns (and thus has a vested interest in) cake wallet which could alter the development in a way that benefits them. I find that the likelihood that the interests conflict to be slim however.

At the end of the day things will probably be fine and this might get haveno to actually get fucking released already.

>>52308446
>/erciccione-leaves-core-team/

>>52308446
>https://haveno.exchange/blog/erciccione-leaves-core-team/
best possible news. good riddance. i will now support the project

What is the Haveno DEX even for again?
Don't we already have UnstoppableSwap, LocalMonero.co, and Bisq Network? What's the point?

>>52309671
To answer part of my own question:
https://haveno.exchange/faq/#why-a-new-platform-what-are-the-key-differences-compared-to-bisq

There is also serai DEX in the works
https://serai.exchange/

>>52309484
ERECT

bump

>>52305165
Based

>>52307022
yup, I fucking love these gems, especially Monero, it's tech is crazy, and its characterized as a more privacy-oriented digital cash
i do about 15 payment in monero per month, and upto 7 with the sylo smart wallet coz it allows P2P transactions and purchases in the real-world.

>>52308799
Personally I strongly dislike how Cake has a near monopoly in the Monero market as far as mobile wallets and such go, but I do appreciate having an entity of their size on our side and they seem to take consideration about the ecosystem as a whole. This being said, I would like to see them get a competitor or two just to keep everybody a bit more honest as time goes on

>>52313545
They do have competitors. The problem is that they come in many forms. Cake refuses to follow the UNIX philosophy, and normies don't care enough about it to do anything about it.

>>52313545
>Personally I strongly dislike how Cake has a near monopoly in the Monero market as far as mobile wallets and such go
The normie wallets like Exodus and other multi-currency ones, like the ones that show up when you search "crypto" on the app stores, probably have way bigger numbers than Cake

>>52291428
I know he was a valuable member of the community but I can't help but feel happiness now that this SJW cuck is leaving

Waiting for monero to hit 100 $ to buy, it will get there? Or should I buy it already?

>>52314265
This is probably the lowest it'll be going for a while. Bitcoin is already making a rebound.

>>52291428
XMR to the fucking moon.

I am launching a CPU/GPU mineable (ASIC resistant) Bitcoin fork. We're thinking that a lot of former ETH miners will come to our network to collect block rewards with their GPUs over time.

We're launching in two weeks, so you still have time to learn more about the project.

> This is a Coin on its Own Chain, Not an ETH or BNB Chain Token
> Launching November 21st 2022
> Over 350 Telegram Members
> Multiple Crypto Influencers are Calling Us Out on Launch
> Influencers are From Both Twitter and Telegram
> Many 4chan Bros Are in the Group, and are Utilizing their Bizraeli Networks
> 4chan Soft Fork in Development (4chan fork with our native coin as payment method for adspace)
> Each Social Media Page is Up and Running
> See Our Specs for More Details, Mining Pool and Block Explorer are Live November 21st 2022
> Our Website Will be Online by November 14th 2022
> We Have a Small CEX Listing Underway 7 Day After Launch
> Airdrops are Negotiable, Please Discuss with the Admins or Owner for More Details

Pic related, shoot me a DM on TG

>>52314320
Wait so longing monero is a bullet proof move now, right?

>>52314392
I wouldn't know.

as Havenos newly appointed community manager I'll chime in and say cake has done pretty well so far and while there are some things one could point at and say "cake bad", in my opinion there was never any obvious malicious stuff and the drama that did happen, they have always handled very well.

After the "zcash in cakewallet" drama they made a whole nother app just for monero-only people. They already know how to make mobile wallets so taking 250k to make one for zcash isnt something insanely unthinkable or morally corrupt.
They got the monero.com domain and while you can think of the website & name whatever you want, they have been listening to community input. Of course they need to at least recoup the 400k they spent on the domain and cant just hand it over to core for free. Still better than having the domain owned by an outsider and potentially bought up by zcorp or something to put fake news about monero on.

adding everything up, id say cake has so far had a massive positive impact on the whole Monero ecosystem and im glad we have them around. as long as they dont go rouge and keep at it how they have, there shouldnt be any major problems.

i also think they will have a massive positive impact on Haveno development. Starting with funding the rest of the UI.
even though i dont think they will add it to cakewallet (trades on Haveno are a lot more clunky and slow than on something like Serai), they might make a seperate mobile app for it or do other things that wouldnt have been possible otherwise.

call me a corpo shill but that's my opinion on cake.

(my fucking cakewallet + monerocom wallet keep crashing whenever i go to the "receive" tab. on pixel 6 pro, fix yo shit vik)

>>52314603
Congrats on this Monerobull. We are lucky to have you there.

>They got the monero.com domain and while you can think of the website & name whatever you want, they have been listening to community input. Of course they need to at least recoup the 400k they spent on the domain and cant just hand it over to core for free.
There was an anon donating some hefty sum XMR for buying back the domain from Cake. Any news on this front?

>>52308446
does it matter? the coc is already in place, the damage has already been done. don't know the other two guys desu

>>52314744
Just remove it.

>>52314699
while the context HEAVILY implied using the funds to buy the domain from cake, does anyone really think we should spend that kind of money on a domain name instead of funding stuff like seraphis?

im torn on this myself but if the anon-whale really wanted the domain for the project, he could have told vik directly "take this and give the domain to core" :/

>>52294290

We are doomping slower than shitcoins so we are kinda climbing back to top 10. No good. I need more cheapies.

>>52314933
Yeah I get where you are coming from. It is indeed a large amount of money.

Does Seraphis development need money though? They seem to have their own CCS'es got funded. Are there any more expenses they foresee? If so, can't they be paid from another CCS?

2) Anon indeed has implied that he sent that much XMR for buying the domain back. By not buying it, it seems like we are going against his wish. But then again, he can/should chime in again and be more assertive towards what to do with his donations.

>>52296356
>>52304493
Zero knowledge proof is an umbrella term.
Ring signatures are also s zero knowledge proof.
I bet Zcash's implementation is so embarassing they had to hide it in 200 pages of redundant basic bitch cryptography documentation

>>52314603
>ErCiccione leaves project
>monerobull nagataro monero-chan poster gets a position

Anime girl bros, we won

>>52315022
seraphis in particular will most likely have a few more ccs proposals (the last one was for a proof of concept implementation of a wallet). from the proposal that is currently being worked on "If everything goes well, I believe we could have a basic PoC CLI wallet by the end of January/23 and enough achievements to move to testnet."
but the general fund itself is pretty laughable compared to the reserves most other projects have so not instantly spending a donation that is like 50% of your existing capital should be a carefully considered move. its not like vik will just sell it off in the foreseeable future. best case, xmr pumps a whole bunch and we can buy the domain from vik for a fraction of the donated xmr.

>>52315346
>so not instantly spending a donation that is like 50% of your existing capital should be a carefully considered move.
Yeah, I agree, if that is indeed the half of the treasury.

>best case, xmr pumps a whole bunch and we can buy the domain from vik for a fraction of the donated xmr.
Alright. Fingers crossed.

Thanks for that chat mate. I appreciate your community work.

>>52315306
>Anime girl bros, we won

>>52315394
>Thanks for that chat mate. I appreciate your community work.
<3
Trying my best, hopefully the chinese dont fuck me over with the fumo-project. Havent gotten an update in like 3 weeks

>>52315701
we should make a ccs to fund a few 4090s to spin up a community monerochan-stablediffusion-server. could add it to this one https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/gingeropolous_zenith_storage.html ;)

or how about paying ransomware gangs to go monero-only?

>>52315847
With that we could field armies of Monerochans.

>>52315346
Nagatoro is just the best

>>52316629
s2 soon

>>52315847
>paying ransomware gangs to go monero-only?

they already are lol

>>52316792
i thought optus guy back-paddled (which could mean they got paid)

I said I would buy 2 monero but I couldn't help it so I bought 3.

This dip is getting pretty rough though bros just when I think the bottom is in I get railed.

>>52317169

Most likely.

What is the best way to sell XMR or any crypto for that matter for fiat without KYC

I will be waiting a bit more before buying, I don't think this is the bottom. If I had to guess, I'd say it might me in a week or two.
>>52318810
P2P will always be king.

>>52314207
>>52308446
>SBF going down
>erchuchichuli out of haveno

today was a good day sirs

>>52320860
while it's good for crypto in general, i am a bit disappointed to see xmr dump so much after that scammer's implosion, did they even have an xmr pair on ftx?

Hello. How can I acquire Monero without proving my identity / phone number anywhere? I looked at ATMs in the area but they require ID. Also, what Monero wallet solutions do you recommend? I want to leave no paper trail, so it probably has to be in cash. Thoughts?

>>52321860
>xmr dump so much
XMR/BTC ratio holding on good. What dump are you talking about?

>>52321919
>How can I acquire Monero without proving my identity / phone number anywhere?
Look at localmonero.co

>Also, what Monero wallet solutions do you recommend?
On desktop featherwallet.org
On android monerujo.app

>>52321949
the dump against the shitcoins called fiat

Based

>>52322000
Amazing, thank you.

>>52308416
>Yeah, they might otherwise be assholes but their unwavering commitment to fungibility is admirable.
>>52308460
>cash or monero only
You both are delusional idiots. That's just for donations. Do you really think they only use cash and monero?

>>52291428
XMR

The XMR standard.

>>52292691
>>52311513
>>52319668
Based Pixiv Posting Chad

>page 10

i told you fucks that monero is going to $50. prepare uranus it may happen before christmas!

Krakken is my only option to purchase Monero.

Should I even bother?

>>52326951
No. They fucked with my account and I have a bunch left hostage there that I haven't been able to access for a long time.

Just buy Bitcoin, withdraw it to a wallet, and then do an atomic swap.

>>52326951
you can just smash buy in cake idk how private is that tho.

>>52296916
>>52296962
kys cia agent, die

>>52318810
localmonero you can go straight from xmr to fiat with only a 1% commission fee

>>52326951
p2p and coinswap sites
kycnot.me for swap sites, and like i just told the other anon, localmonero for p2p. you pay a slight upcharge for the no kyc but it is a good exchange

When will monero surpass litecoin?

>>52291428
damn I am buying even more bros...i'm gonna burn through all my cash on this dip. Surely we're bottoming right?

>tfw I marketsold my monero yesterday and used it to short Solana.
I'll be back Monero-chan, I promise. I'm not cheating, it's just a needed break.

>>52318810
>What's the best way to sell XMR for fiat without KYC
>>52319668 yes
>>52328384 yes
Bonus edition: Cash out via DNMs for an easy 2-3x. ;)

>playing fallout all day
>get off, check the 'ol general and monero price
>"oh, okay"
>go back to playing fallout

>>52316661
I don't actually watch the show, I just love seeing her. Is it any good?

When's this shit coin gonna die

>>52331302
after you

Does anyone view this token as a good long term investment? I don't give a shit about it's shady application I just want to hold onto a token that will 100x if i hold onto it for the next 5-10 years

>>52331617
no monero will crab between 100 and 150 forever dont buy it. Now go away, moonfaggot.

>>52332818
Buy signal i see

>>52332911
You dont get it. These people are not in here because they think XMR is going to moon, they're in here because they're drug addicts

>>52331617
it is going to zero against bitcoin. properties that make for good currency make for bad investment.

>>52333029
>it is going to zero against bitcoin.
lmao get fucked bitfuck.

>>52333051
enjoy your crabfest

>>52333097
>crabfest
>totally gains upwards against sats during the bear market

>>52333097
great place to buy!

>>52333115
yeah, just like chainlink. but both are dead long term. token not needed.

>>52333212
>token not needed.

>>52326697
>>page 10

Based thread savior

My 'neros are already recovering and gaining sats.

>>52334403
We will flip ETC and then LTC is next.

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
when XMR <100$?
I want to slurp

>>52334559
My lowest purchase price was $75 and I don't think we're ever going back. On the other hand I'm a dummy.

>>52332818
>no monero will crab between 100 and 150 forever dont buy it. Now go away, moonfaggot.

Based moonfag destroyer

>>52333029
>it is going to zero against bitcoin.

Yes, the more it displaces Bitcoin the greater the likelihood it goes to zero. Also, the less relevant BTC becomes in real-world markets the greater the likelihood it will hit $1 million.


>properties that make for good currency make for bad investment.

Currencies backed by cocaine actually make very comfy investments.

>>52332987
I have never done drugs in my life. I'm here because fungibility is the bare minimum for a crypto currency. Physical cash is fungible. There is no excuse for crypto to not be.

>>52309484
what was their problem? someone explain

>>52333097
Enjoy your dying NFT.

>>52293400
I still watch anime. check out domestic girlfriend, really beautiful animation.

>>52335557
>community donates large sum of money to further development of Monero-based Bisq clone
>after receiving money he announces Zcash listing and adds a insane leftist Code of Conduct, wildly unpopular with large swathes of community which he seems to have timed intentionally until after getting all the donations
>despite getting his comically overprice fundraising goal met, announces he is suspending development because Monero's price dropped
>whines that he should have gone for VC funding instead, that the community is too difficult
>doesn't appear to actually do anything other than try and get people cancelled for saying anything even mildly politically incorrect
>hates Monerochan

In light of recent events, it feels really good knowing your coin actually has a real use case.

>>52336124
>real use case.

How's Monero-chan received by the Monero communities outside of 4chan?

So, Binance finally release Proof of Assets. Can anyone check how much real XMR does Binance actually have ? The page loads slowly for me.

https://www.binance.com/en/assets-proof

>>52337664
Their XMR reserves is not visible in that.

>>52337664
they don't show XMR reserves. But they do show Ztrash reserves

>>52336926
a bit cringe honestly. animes are for kids and nolife so it's not that well received. Actually I only see monerochan on 4chan

>>52337664
Couldn't they just post the view key? That is, if they weren't paper trading it.

>>52338404
kek, God, I hate normies, fucking hell.

>>52338404
I was a fool for expecting normalfags to have a shred of taste...

>>52326951
Kraken is one of the better exchanges, bought and withdrew XXX monero from there already.
no problem, supports SEPA instant and fees are low.

>>52307098
smear campaign by either the state or fanfic by /pol/tards

>>52328579
At this point, I believe yes. a few months ago it was at 28th position.

>>52336926
judge it yourself: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/ylhyve/monero_waifu/

>>52338651
>>52338907
being an anime neet isn't something to be proud of

>"i like drawn women if you don't you are a normie REEEEEE"

i'm just saying that outside of 4chan it's not well received because it's only a neet thing

>>52334559
Came here to ask the same question, seems tough but maybe we get a dip to $110, kind of

>>52339400
I know, I'm a huge otaku but have to hide my powerlevel outside unless it's to talk about normalfag anime.
I was just curious about others monero internet communities because people tend to care a lot less about appearances when everyone is anonymous.
At least that's how it used to be, social network only pushed the opposite and now the internet is filled with attention whores and virtue signalling witch hunter.

>>52339283
Well, that's reassuring if even reddit is ok with her.

>>52339765
there is a selection bias obviously, but for now young tech bros are the primary group of interest. They know how tech works, know security well enough to not get fucked over, have decent opsec, are likely to have spare cash and might even have entrepreneurial tendencies. Not saying that other people aren't welcome, but it kinda makes sense to "advertise" to these people first, and a open source project with its own waifu is kinda unique.

>>52330611
desu, not particularly noteworthy. with the exception of the first two episodes, it's just slice of life romcom

bump

Ofc everything magically pumps but xmr doesn't.
There is no way this isn't manipulated.
Even CC are calling out CZ for not listing how much xmr they have, yet the price stays the same.

>>52344107
>>52344107
Just keep accumulating and self-custody always. We inevitably win in the end.

>>52337664
>https://www.binance.com/en/assets-proof
not even surprised theres no xmr on the list

>>52307022
Privacy focused projects will be relevant to the crypto market in time to come as regulation is around the corner

>>52344458
of course, they would have to buy real xmr if they were to publish a viewkey+keyimage. way easier to keep selling paper xmr and saying "uh oh privacy makes it impossible to disclose".

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11412789/Judge-slams-Navy-engineer-44-teacher-wife-plotting-sell-nuclear-sub-secrets.html

>You can send me a suitable gift in Monero cryptocurrency
based.

what's a make it stack of XMR?

>>52346725

>>52346725
>what's a make it stack of XMR?

>>52312154
I make payments in Monero as well for absolute privacy and carry out defi transactions on the Railway Defi wallet to shield my farming strategies

>>52326951
VPN to anywhere normal plus fixedfloat

Wasn't the make it stack number updated to a bit above 18.7 to account for X years of tail emissions.

>>52291428
unfortunately, even sand niggers can use monero undetected, probably not the best marketing image though

>>52350184
n-word used

>>52350353
nigger word used*

>>52335957
>hates Monerochan

unforgivable

>>52349485

>>52335957
Ohhhh right the political developer who supported zcash after getting monero donations

>>52296432
did the same for sylo. now i feel guilty

>>52352004
kek.. you did the right thing anon

Blockfi looking to come down next. Rev up those buy orders.

I can't believe Zcash is fucking dead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy4HA3vUv2c

>>52353145
I can't believe it didn't die sooner.

>>52353145

lol Zcash is not dead, its very much alive and well and preparing to become the number one privacy platform.

Laugh all you want but ZEC will be the last one standing once regulations clear out all the trash and delinquency, sorry Monerochan. Not sorry.

>>52307022
Why do you think BitDAO is in the same bucket as the others though? Like to me it just looks like any of the other random "this token will go up" type things. Ethereum has a plausible case as the chain is used for all manner of things, and Monero is the only real cryptocurrency in that it is private (and some of the forks of it). But bit dao? Also why is the logo designed in like Windows 3.11 for workgroups?

Let’s say I wanted to accept xmr payments for a digital good. How would I go about getting the server to know when the payment is received or confirmed?

>>52355412
So according to the meme, "Community and Investors" will destroy the electric coin company and the Z-cash fund, who will not therefore get a chance to destroy the smug guy...

Do you Zcash guys just wake up and start shilling? Is that what the ECC is paying for, WAGMI marketers to fuck up Monero threads?

>>52355703
View keys... Read about them.
Or use the already available merchant solutions.

>>52355908

Whoosh.

>>52356068
kek. the memes are shit.

>>52356084

Better get used to them coz we ain't going away anytime soon.

*WOOP WOOP*
>>>/vg/ksg/
ITS THE SOUND OF THE PABLO CLUB
*WOOP WOOP*

>Powered by XSGChan

>>52356474
>Zodler

What they though they get: zcash hodl-er in cool youth speak
What they actually got: toddler

>>52350353
nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger niggernigger nigger nigger nigger nigger niggernigger nigger nigger nigger nigger niggernigger nigger nigger nigger nigger niggernigger nigger nigger nigger nigger niggernigger nigger nigger nigger nigger niggernigger nigger nigger nigger nigger niggernigger nigger nigger nigger nigger niggernigger nigger nigger nigger nigger niggernigger nigger nigger nigger nigger niggernigger nigger nigger nigger nigger niggernigger nigger nigger nigger nigger niggernigger nigger nigger nigger nigger niggernigger nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger

>>52356769
*vomitz internally*

I've had Logan dump a rotten baby on me. That's 4114 for you 150,000 Universe Eaters.

>>52350353
what is wrong with that word? nigger is just a normal word... I dont see the problem there

>>52355908
Yes. Whoever made that meme is so retarded that they didn't even understand the template.

>>52350353
https://www.bitchute.com/video/U8Z0MlGRSpgk/

>>52356885
RIP Rich Piana.

>>52357030
+1.
Whatever it takes..

>>52348348
>and carry out defi transactions on the Railway Defi wallet to shield my farming strategies
what's your annual return like bro
how hard is it to farm, does it require constant work?
what is this railway defi wallet all about

>>52348348
>>52357470
you need to go back (to hell)

>>52356474

This shit is hilarious.

You can run a node on your android device using Termux terminal emulator. How cool is that:
https://github.com/CryptoGrampy/android-termux-monero-node

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnr1saD8hBQ

>>52291428
ok but why are there trojans in GUI Wallet

>>52360237
your wincuck antivirus is giving you false positives.

>>52360298
it could be hijacked. do you take everything for face value or do you have a way to prove it.

>>52360368
Always compare the hash.
If it matches then good.

>>52360368
Verify the binary as instructed on getmonero.org. widows complains because of the integrated miner

>>52360237
>>52360368

That warning on Windows has been a thing for years. Go check every last line of code on the github and compile it from source if you're concerned about windows' false alarms.

>>52360368
compare the hash you nigger

Reminder to buy Zcash if you really want to make it.

>>52350184
If ISIS can trust Monero with their privacy, so can I.

(Admittedly, ISIS can just use US banks because they're a CIA front, but you get what I mean.)

>ZCash shill still here shitting up the thread
If nobody is going to shoo the redditor away I'm going to.

Why Monero is better than Zcash

>no CEO
>no centralized corporate structure
>not answerable to institutional donors/investors/shareholders
>not overly-concerned with compliance
>fully private at protocol-level
>uses established, reliable, battle-tested cryptography as opposed to novel, experimental, resource-hogging cryptography
>no suspected backdoors
>no dev tax
>no trusted setup
>not a Bitcoin fork
>tail emission
>ASIC resistance
>dynamic blocksize
>lower inflation
>ever-increasing real-world adoption
>passionate grassroots enthusiasm
>significantly better reputation

>>52360679
>Reminder to buy Zcash if you really want to make it.

What did Zooko mean by this?

>>52361437
Doesn't Monero do this with view keys?

>>52361559

Yes, but unlike Zcash Monero doesn't have optional privacy.

>>52335598
Why sitting for such NFTs, when you can get unique NFTs on cosmos, Rekt Bulls, Cosmic Sky monks and a few others are cool NFTs to grab

when're we getting rich lads?

>>52361376

is this supposed to be FUD or something?

>>52363158
Already am, m8.

>>52361437

He meant Zcash is a well-rounded coin that gives its users more options instead of less.

>>52361975

And that's exactly why it will fail as a global currency - no institutions will ever touch something that cant be subjected to public TX auditing.

>>52363815
>>52363730
>>52363661
/biz/ really has the worst mods

>>52362761
Where is can I mint this, and what makes them special?

>>52363661
It is what it is

>>52360500
Comparing the hash may not be the best option

long time no see, /xmr/!

>>52355703
Use something that someone else has already developed or make a script that uses the wallet RPC commands to generate an integrated address or subaddress (https://monerodocs.org/public-address/integrated-address/ goes into some detail about the two).

>>52358923
That's actually bad ass and I might do that if I ever expand my phone's storage. I don't have enough space for even a pruned node because I have thousands upon thousands of memes, pirated music, and technical documents

>>52363815
>And that's exactly why it will fail as a global currency - no institutions will ever touch something that cant be subjected to public TX auditing.

No crypto will ever become the global currency, that belongs to CBDC Fedcoins. But crypto can dominate the shadow economy where governmental jurisdiction is irrelevant. And guess which crypto has already established itself as the go-to black market coin? It ain't Ztrash.

>>52364736
getmonero.org has its binaries with sha256 hashes, so it should be resistant to accidental corruption and intentional tampering. The hashes are also GPG signed by binaryFate. So there is nothing the Monero core devs could do to ensure that the binaries are not tampered with. But please correct me, I would love to see more secure ways to verify binary integrity.

>>52363730
>>He meant Zcash is a well-rounded coin that gives its users more options instead of less.

Giving users the option to make transparent TX weakens overall privacy guarantees since it enables a degree of heuristic analysis.

>>52308460
>>52323740
Actually ISIS followed the fundamentalist Islamic way and only minted gold and silver as their official money. I remember watching their propaganda video where they told how gold and silver are the only acceptable forms of money because they were created by god with the necessary physical characteristics and not by humans.
I could make an argument that since we can't store and exchange gold over the internet without relying on corruptible third parties, a money that is assured by math and cryptography to be incorruptible is the proper form of money in the digital realm. Cryptography is one of god's shining beacons of truth in the cyber realm, incorruptible by Satan. Everything else can be spoofed. As such, "not your keys not your crypto" is also indeed a halal concept.

>>52364582
It's only available on LoopDex(cosmos ecosystem)

Oh God oh God oh God I am PEEING BLOOD OUT OF MY ASSHOLE.

>>52366653
Have you tried turning it off and back on again?

>>52365283

Still not as bad as all the info ring signatures leak.

>>52367031

Yeah? What info is that? Addresses & amounts are as secure as shielded Zcash with the added bonus of the sender's IP not being leaked like it is with ZEC.

>>52367166

That will get patched eventually.

>>52367763
The patch has been available for years by this point, it is called Dandelion++. But there seems to be a tendency for VC enriched devs to not care about the users, other than for furthering their monetary gain

I really want to know what Zcucks believe the longterm privacy in money will look like.

Every CBDC will come with it's own little privacy compliant package.

You think the senators and the presidents will want their accounts exposed because they bought a coffee at starbucks without cycling addresses and wallets? You're gonna get a surface-level privacy that will look like a black box to normies. You think they're gonna let some outsider come up with an analysis method that they don't control? Meanwhile every purchase you make will be analyzed on the backend between data brokers, cops and politicians.

>>52367763
>That will get patched eventually.

No shit, just like ring signatures will be ditched for zk-STARKs eventually.

Bottom line: its highly unlikely that Zcash will ever gain the upper hand on Monero, especially with its reputation so deep in the shitter.

Can I finally have my under 100$ XMR?
I was promised under 100$ XMR

>>52367940

Z-addresses are secure by default.

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