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FIRST BLOCKCHAIN IN HISTORY TO DO HTTP REQUESTS

https://twitter.com/yotamhc/status/1575098601902317569

>> No.51685772

>>51685699
But how do they verify that coinbase api price?

>> No.51685818
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>>51685699
>Internet
>Computer

>> No.51685828

>>51685699
>proceeds to dump more

>> No.51686003

You guys remember when Moonman got exposed as a photoshopping Pajeet pretending to be some Scandinavian?

>> No.51686031

>>51685699
Except oracles have existed for a long time now.

>> No.51686044

>http
>not https
its over.
also
>implying a single direct source is a good idea for a price feed

>> No.51686214

>>51685772
Oy vey, they’ve proven http requests. How could they possibly send multiple http requests to create an aggregated price fed from multiple exchanges.
ICPbros, its over.

>> No.51686284

>>51686031
Seems like the point of this update is that IC won't need to depend on oracles for it to function.

>> No.51686318

Finally HTML is Turing complete.

>> No.51686338

>>51685699
FIRST BLOCKCHAIN TO GET XSS INJECTED

>> No.51686436

>>51685699
I don't even know what that means or what the value of that is, and desu, I don't care either

I SEE PISS HAHAHAH

>> No.51686501

>>51686044
I think he was just doing an example. For price feed you’d want multiple sources and take the average and then if one is drastically different the other due to a glitch or something else remove it from the average

>> No.51686548

>>51686284
This literally involves oracles, except each canister is a single oracle.

>> No.51686799

>>51686548
>This literally involves oracles
I'm not sure if I understand. Are you saying that each canister is an oracle because it is pulling information from a source or that oracles still need to be used?

>> No.51686883

>>51686799
Oracles don’t need to be used. Canister can be used as an oracle

>> No.51686930

>>51686883
You managed to contradict yourself in the space of two sentences.
Impressive.

>>51686799
>Are you saying that each canister is an oracle because it is pulling information from a source
Yes.

>> No.51687000

>>51686883
>>51686930
okay that makes sense, thanks

>> No.51687086

>>51686930
You know what I meant. Like a third party oracle does not need to be used instead you can use a canister as an oracle

>> No.51687196

>>51685699
Why are you giving valuable alpha to a bunch of mouthbreathing retards and paid fudsters bro, keep it in seachan

>> No.51687251

>>51687086
And you can "trust" that one canister riiiiiight?
Anyway I'm just here to call out OP's statement about this being a first in any way; oracles have existed for a looooong ass time. Especially centralized ones like in this case.

>> No.51687290

>>51686031
Oracles, or more generally data feeds, haven't existed in any chain as a smart contract feature until now. What existed is an interface with a centralized middle-man like chainlink, which is an external service to the chain in question, adds (now unnecessary) complexity and a massive security risk.

>> No.51687333

>>51687290
>haven't existed in any chain as a smart contract feature until now
Of course they have. All they do is write transactions on chain.
Who does this (a canister, a miner, a node operator, ...) literally does not matter.

>> No.51687340

>>51687251
You don't need to trust anything, you can literally code your own oracle with whatever logic you desire and have however many sources you want, they just have to have an HTTP api.

>> No.51687371

>>51687251
>And you can "trust" that one canister riiiiiight?
Isn't the canister technically pulling oracled information? So, the information that CB is displaying has been given by an oracle. If IC is pulling that information straight from CB then it has to be correct, right?

>> No.51687372

>>51686214
what measures are in place to ensure that these https sources aren't manipulated to change the resulting on-chain price?

>> No.51687376

>>51687340
>you can literally code your own oracle
And other people can trust this one oracle?
And you can trust it to stay online no matter what? And that it won't get exploited, hacked, ... ?

>> No.51687406

>>51687371
CB info is given by an API.

>> No.51687432

>>51687376
You're starting to understand crypto, good job, proud of you. Trust-less technology be like this yes

>> No.51687480

>>51687432
Single oracles are not trustless by any stretch.
There's a reason everyone went from single oracles to decentralized oracles.

>> No.51687537

I cant believe its 2022 and tards still dont understand the scope of the oracle problem and think calling a centralized API solves it

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>> No.51688063

>>51685699
LINKIES BTFO

>> No.51688559

>>51687372
Thats already done by https, still you need to trust coinbase and their api, which isnt the whole point of crypto to not trust a single point lol?

>> No.51688593

>>51688559
god this thread is full of midwits
no one can come save you

>> No.51688915

>>51686003
Do you think moonman even owned ICP tokens (TICKER: ICP)?

>> No.51688975

>>51688559
>chainlink does this in an extremely convoluted manner
>OMG ORACLES@!!!!

>> No.51689109

>>51686044
are you stupid

first they'll take care of http. then they'll handle https. before you know it, smtp, pop and imap. then dhcp, dns, and ssh, and fucking telnet will get wrapped in peas. it's a pea monster

>> No.51689145

>>51686501
somebody should make something that does this for you

>> No.51689173

>>51688915
He bought DFN for $5 for sure. He probably sold ICP in May 2021. He might have bought back in in September 2021.

>> No.51689193

>>51685699
>FIRST BLOCKCHAIN
>BLOCKCHAIN
not a blockchain
can I run a validator node without permission?
no
not blockchain

>> No.51689300

>>51689145
Not sneeded sur

>> No.51689359

Chainlink is DONE

>> No.51689409

>>51685699
Gee wow it’s almost like a regular computer except worst

>> No.51689560

>>51687372
Okay serious question: how the fuck does any blockchain application deal with this problem?

>> No.51689601

Oh cool, can't wait to see it dump more

>> No.51689953

>>51689193
blockchain isn’t the ability to run a node it’s an immutable ledger lol

>> No.51690004

>>51685699
>>This renders oracles completely and utterly irrelevant.

Chainlinkers in shambles.

>> No.51690180

>>51685699
>no oracles
>fetch from api.coinbase.com
that's an oracle my homeboy

>> No.51690337

>>51690180
ICP has oracles and can call web2 APIs for everything other than price feeds too?

>> No.51690431

Linkers on denial and suicide watch. How's the staking?

>> No.51690437

>>51685699
feels nostalgic re-experiencing 2011 /g/ bitcoin threads here

>> No.51690509

>>51685699
I want coinbase to change their API so it is an image of the price. just to fuck with them.

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>>51685818
>internet
>computer

>> No.51690992

>>51685699
the fuck is the use case of this shit
no meme answers

>> No.51692186

>>51690992
Oracles except without all the bullshit that makes oracles suck.

>> No.51694556

>>51692186
What bullshit is that?

>> No.51694743

>>51689953
He's not talking about the literal db type, obv means in the colloquial sense of the term, ergo permissionless and decentralized. Of which ICP is neither.

>>51692186
Only inside the bounds of ICP. This does nothing to solve the oracle problem for permissionless systems.

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51695089

still rugged KEK
get pissed on

how will this even help when competition like Polygon have aleady beat them in the dApps, NFT, business development, and tech sectors altogether?

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>I
>See
>Pee

>> No.51696800
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>>51689560
>he doesn't know

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>>51690509
>I want coinbase to change their API so it is an image of the price. just to fuck with them.

>> No.51697680

>>51687372
I think depends on dev, that's a tool. From the top of my head one could make an average of different feeds (coinbase, binance, cmc, etc)

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>I SEE PEE

>> No.51698211

>>51698138
Fuckin magnets tho

>> No.51699750

>>51685699
lol cool it's postman

>> No.51700351

>>51686338
kek I can't wait

>> No.51700540
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>ICY PEE

>> No.51700778

>>51686501
But how do you then stop collusion between data sources to manipulate data feeds for their own gain

HHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMM

>> No.51702149

>>51689560
It can't stop MITM request, ICP is dumb and insecure

>> No.51702317

>>51686031
>>51687290
>That schizo time traveler post mentioning a super oracle being made some time in the future that will make people into millionaires.


Is this it? Is this fucking it? I will lay down my entire fucking life savings if ICP is that.

>> No.51702335

>>51702317
He was talking about Chainlink

>> No.51702638

>>51687372
What measures are in place with traditional oracles? Whatever they're doing ICP can do, a hundred times more efficiently

>> No.51702769

>>51687086
Oh wow the Internet Computer has centralized oracles!? I can't wait to pay for normal http requests, but slower since it has to go through a third party for no reason!
Fucking idiots

>> No.51702810

>>51685699
ICP is a scam and moonman is a scammer.

>> No.51702813

>>51685699
ICP and LINK chads are both coping. This is not the killshot for ICP, do you really think an HTTP request is how banks verify their pricing? This won't replace LINK. However this is massive for crypto and it BTFOs every other chain in existence.

>> No.51702849

>>51689560
It's legitimately impossible to solve, but retards don't understand math and compsci. That's why you end up having to trust to some level no matter what.

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>>51688559
>you need to trust coinbase and their api
I fucking hate all of you. We need to filter people like this off the board right fucking now. Posting "nigger" clearly isn't enough.

>> No.51703345

>>51703037
>billions of api calls per day on web2
>omg you can’t trust apis, must use link

>> No.51703557

>>51703345
It's like monerotards complaining that spinner is built on top of a non-private ledger, no one gives a shit lmao, it achieves the intended purpose 99.999999% of the time

>> No.51703800

>>51703557
these are the retards who hold icp

>> No.51705516

>>51685699
I only have 1,000.
How long until I make it?

>> No.51705701

Fucking finally, now we just need bitcoin integration and i can drop some hot shit on y'all

>> No.51705744

>>51702849
you can also pay some scientists with no morals to write papers for you that make it work by making absolutely ridiculous assumptions that don't hold in reality

>> No.51705866

>>51703800
you're the retard, why the fuck would I trust some literally who nerds in a basement who have integrated chainlink and provide a feed over using binance or coinbase? Fuck you retard

>> No.51705872

>>51703345
>>omg you can’t trust apis, must use link
This is probably the dumbest thing said itt

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>>51705866
>why the fuck would I trust some literally who nerds in a basement who have integrated chainlink and provide a feed over using binance or coinbase?
Ask Compound.

>> No.51706029

what's the fucking difference between the normal web then, except for making it more expensive?

>> No.51706047

>>51705866
chainlink is for midwits
i was talking about monero vs spinnercash you giant nigger
these are the retards who hold icp

>> No.51706363

Everyone calling eachother niggers. Maximum comfy.

>> No.51706853

>>51685699
>its like a computer
>but on the internet
>is called
>internet
>computer

>> No.51706909

https://vocaroo.com/19FUI2vM4VmL

>> No.51707798
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>>51685818
Yall do realize that the typical millionare boomer who now thinks that the word "crypto" means "bitcoin", will be like "hey anon I heard of this new crypto called "INTERNET COMPUTER" and I invested into it, maybe it'll go up like BITCOIN" and then proceed to dump a measly 100k into it each.

Internet computer is a genius name and will draw in boomer money. Boomers can't even pronounce the word "ethereum", much less so all the new coins.

>> No.51707918

>>51706047
no one gives a shit about absolutely certain privacy my guy, people will use what's most convenient and gets the job done 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the times, simple as, especially because this solution works with the most liquid cryptocurrency already

>> No.51707969

>>51685699
>doesn't know every blockchain that exists has an RPC/HTTP port
NGMI

>> No.51708068

>>51707969
That's not it, you can actually integrate a token
on any existing webapp, your sfotm can't do that.

>> No.51708466

>>51707918
>giant nigger didn’t see what happened to tornado cash

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>>51686338

>> No.51708546

>>51686003
This was deliberate and a psy-op to trick midwits into thinking that ICP is a scam.

>> No.51708572

>>51708546
so first its used to rope in buyers to dump it ad now its a psy op so people dont buy. aha

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>internet
>computer

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>>51685699
>nice
>chart

>> No.51710040

>>51708466
> t. Doesn't understand the difference between back-end and front-end
No problem Anon, happy to explain to you. Tornado cash didn't get fucked because they were built on top of a transparent ledger (Ethereum), they were fucked because their protocol interfaced with end-users through a centralized front-end service, namely AWS, ICP does *NOT* use AWS, this problem isn't there for Spinner.

>> No.51710132

>>51710040
>doesn’t understand the difference between a back end and front end
these are the retards who hold icp

>> No.51710193

>>51710132
Holy shit a retard calling another anon whose correct a retard.

>> No.51710265

>>51710193
>another retard

>> No.51710331

>>51685772
Exactly the problem with this whole thing. And you can't even have a mechanism where multiple nodes from whatever canister bullshit perform the same request at the same time and reach a consensus because not all HTTP requests are idempotent. Also you gotta realize whatever you have in the query can be seen and potentially intercepted by a malicious node. Like if you have request parameters which you will, if you wanna use this thing to make some transactions based on some secrets that are decrypted at execution of the contract, everything is seen by the node executing the contract, and hey even worse other canisters should be able to verify the computation so perhaps they can even do some speculative execution with your secrets.

It is useless.

>> No.51710806

>>51710331
Excellent write up, Emin. A+ FUD.

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Don't your know a data API can provide false data?!?! N000, you can't just assume this and program your own fail-safes. You have to use chainlink as your middleman, and pay us in these gay tokens, because our data is always accurate and true, just because it is ok?!?!?

>> No.51712278

how is any of this more "decentralized" than the normal web, unless you're on AWS or GCP or azure

>> No.51712410

>>51712278
It’s immutable, requires consensus- is stateless. Like all the shit crypto does. If I have to explain why (for instance) a company that spends millions on cyber protection each year would like to not pay that ever again and ever worry about hacks, then I’m going to jump out of a window, why are there people on this board who can’t understand the first thing about blockchain technology?

>> No.51712445

>>51712410
I’m only here to make money and I like the colors of ICP

>> No.51712460

>>51708546
>the pysop was a psyop

I'm so glad I never bought this retarded coin

>> No.51712674

>>51710806
AVAX living rent free in piss cuck's heads kek

>> No.51712890

>>51712410
>why are there people on this board who can’t understand the first thing about blockchain technology
This isn't /g/

>> No.51713285

>>51712674
>piss cuck
I bet you drink a lot of energy drinks and your home smells like wet particle board. How accurate am I?

>> No.51713387

>>51696800
hasn't killed anyone "yet"

>> No.51713398

>>51710040
what does aws have to do with blacklisting addresses that interact with a contract?

>> No.51713797

>>51685699
A number of interesting revolution in the space, also came across a privacy focused project, Railgun, launch the first defi mobile wallet on Android and IOS. Blockchain adoption loading.

>> No.51714156

>>51685699
Another giant stride forward with ICP, It also piqued my interest to see ORE protocol bridging web2 to web3, making it possible for people to own blockchain wallet by simply connecting their social media accounts.

>> No.51714753

Insane Clown Posse?

>> No.51715085

>>51710806
I mean it, though.
Also genuine question, did I sound like Emin there? I met him once IRL and had a conversation, he is too full of himself plus I don't agree with him on a bunch of stuff but otherwise generally logical.

>> No.51715116

>>51710331
>idempotent
>canister
>consensus
keep using weird words to seem smart bro. you'll not fud me out of my bags

>> No.51715118

>>51710806
Also I was genuinely excited about how they were going to tackle this problem, even subscribed to the GitHub issue where this was discussed a while ago.

They just chose not to tackle with it at all. I don't know what to tell you. Disappointing. Don't get me wrong, the feature will work and have utility but there is a very glaring compromise made in its implementation that's all too incompatible with the core ideals of the technology.

However we live in a world where most DeFi contracts are hidden behind upgradable proxies with admins being Ethereum EoAs so the crypto community as a whole is capable of overlooking this too if nudged the right way.

>> No.51715141

>>51715116
idempotent http request is a request you can make twice and it doesnt make a difference.

the problem is you can't have two nodes make that same request and come back and say hey I made it and this was the result. because perhaps you are calling some sendMoney function. if two nodes called it, that's a problem. if only one node calls it, how can we trust it is telling the truth?

canister is basically ICP lingo, don't worry too much about it. nothing actually real in technical jargon.

consensus is loosely agreement

see my other reply too >>51715118

>> No.51715253

>>51712410
>requires consensus
Centralized oracles cannot come to consensus.

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These stupid muh ICP oracle threads are so tedious, gonna copy paste my reply;

The true value of the protocol that solves the oracle problem isn't all these memes about data, it is about interoperability and trust minimization removing the friction between any and all systems. Chainlink will be an extension layer to the Internet that facilitates this global systems interoperability.

Having a heap of disparate HTTP data feeds isn't a solution to anything, yeah you can build a Web3 app with this but there are a bunch of trust assumptions involved and this isn't the point / goal at all. And even something as simple as a price feed is vastly more complex than it seems to acheive in a reliable manner and now your app dev team has the burden of dealing with it all.

Noone in this market seems to comprehend how SC's are going to transform things in the future, if we take a "single usecase" as per attached image, there are so many components that go into this and the complexity will be abstracted away by CL. Multiple specific usecase chains/rollups, price/market data feeds, CCIP to secure chain interop, DECO for privacy needs acting as a true evolution of HTTPS, various other service components that will all be called on in numerous ways to acheive this end result. Imagine all the interop involved in producing the digital identities for each country and all the systems (e.g. gov/state data feeds) that need to become part of the ecosystem for these usecases.

You can't do all this right now because there is way too much friction involved, the oracle layer will take on the burden of the security/risk exposure and completely abstract away the complexity so every back-end system in the world can be enhanced with SC's for efficiency gains / cost reductions so on. It all becomes a giant global system of systems streamlined with seamless interop through the application of SC's powered by chainlink.

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Watch the SmartCon segments with Serg + Eric and Serg + SWIFT/DTCC/BNY and listen closely. Note the discussion about SWIFTs PKI infrastructure and how LINK can leverage/enhance it rather than attempt to replace it. Noone is just replacing the Web2 systems, it isn't practical.

Noone is going to lift up the financial system and drop it on ICP, the concept is rediculous and SC usecases go way beyond finance also, these sort of ideas are the mistakes ETH/chain maxis have made not understanding what the end state Web3 tech stack is going to look like. These memes about the hyperscalers being centralized are also silly, no serious institutional workload is going to deploy on independent ICP infrastructure with dubious varying security/SLA gurantees discarding their privately negotiated SLA's/peering agreements, it just isn't how the real world works. And the idea ICP can compete re cost of the raw compute/storage resources is a complete joke, you would need to spend many many billions to build out the needed infrastructure.

CLabs are building an Internet extension layer which can abstract away all the complexity and provide a framework for interfacing with and enhancing existing systems rather than attempting to reinvent the wheel where it is not required, this enables institutions to retain the level of control they desire and deploy the enhancements in an incredibly flexible manner.

"Connecting" billions of edge devices, interfacing with millions of back-end systems, 100s of chains and facilitating the security of all the data, I/O generally, looking after endless trillions in contract value.. a bespoke approach is a non-starter, it has to be flexible and follow the Internet model essentially (pic related).

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>>51715351
>>51715371
Oh look the midwit is back after being btfod, shoo shoo curry your token is not sneeded, maybe next time don't invest in a project with only one moat that unironically got instantly eclipsed by another project that on the side casually solved the Oracle problem kek hav3 fun being pic related btw and as always seethe cope and dilate (not necessarily in that order)

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>>51715411
>after being btfod
That happened did it?

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>>51715430
>muh twitter guy sed
>muh wef coin
Lmao

Stinks time in the sun is ogre you didn't sell the top last year now have fun holding your turd coin literally give the cummies coin devs a few more years and they'll build their own oracle ontop of their chain kek

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>>51715589
(:

>> No.51715640

>>51715599
Translation: Please buy my bags, youll be ahead of the curb by holding half decade old coin, cmon kangz

>> No.51715657

>>51715640
>Translation: Please buy my bags
Yes, this is definitely something Eric Schmidt, the guy who made Google what it is today, would say.

>> No.51715732

>>51715657

yes he would totally help retail now please buy more of the 5 year old coin your early and ahead of the curb kek

>> No.51715734

WAGMI ICP CHADS

>> No.51715738

>>51715732
>he would totally help retail
That's what I'm saying: he wouldn't.
He's simply stating objective facts.

>> No.51715763

>>51715738
Toggle VPN harder bruh ya got played and muh wef coin connections meme is so stale not even fagman endorsement can dredge up two shits

>> No.51715780

>>51715763
GREAT post anon, solid points.

>> No.51715820

>>51715780

Now pack up your link bag and shoo shoo to another thread

>> No.51715831

I don't understand any of this shit. Should I buy Internet Pentium 1 Pee pee poo poo or not?

>> No.51715863

>>51715820
Don't make dumbass claims in OP if you don't want me to come wreck your anus and suck on your toes.

>> No.51715931

>>51715863
The claim: Icp shits all over link
The reality:icp shits all over link
Your rebuttal: a fagman sed were early

LMAO

>> No.51715949

>>51715931
The rebuttal is centralized oracles (as in ICP canisters) are retarded, and there's a reason everyone switched to decentralized oracles.

You need consensus across various actors to achieve decentralization. And this applies doubly when the data you're working with data that is more than binary (yes/no).
You can't get any consensus from a single actor.

>> No.51715960

>>51715949
imagine all that seethe in one in one paragraph
didn’t read what you wrote btw

>> No.51715970

>>51715960
There's literally zero seethe in there.
The whole thing is a dry statement of fact.

>> No.51715992

>>51715949
>dude like consensus man
>cmon man we like need decentralized orikels n sheiiit

Token not needed, please enjoy your weekly dump and dont forget to bask in the superior luminosity that is the internet computer

>> No.51716002

>>51715992
>>dude like consensus man
Without it, you're just building more web2

>> No.51716024

>>51716002
>p.pp..p-pwese use my oriel I've held for 5 years p-pwese

>> No.51716254

>>51715970
it’s not because you’re still saying everything needs an oracle and consensus when it doesn’t. https out calls open millions of apis for web development on the ic

>> No.51716262

>>51716254
There's nothing different, you're still using an oracle to put API data on-chain.
Only you're using a centralized oracle.

>> No.51716276

>>51716262
I don’t need an oracle to tell me the weather if I want it displayed on my canister website

>> No.51716282

>>51716276
You need an oracle if you want that weather data on-chain.

>> No.51716300

>>51716254
>>51716262
>>51716276
>>51716282
samefag

>> No.51716306

>>51685699
someone explain why this matters

>> No.51716313

>>51686338
AHAHAHAGHAHA that is actually funny as fuck

>> No.51716325

>>51697073
you have no sense of humor

>> No.51716328

>>51716282
And they’re using node consensus. Not everything needs that level of consensus you’re hung up on or even has to be agreed upon between parties. Billions of api calls a day don’t go through link.

>> No.51716402

>>51716328
Dude just say his orikul is needed for a niche who gives a fuck area or else he'll rope

>> No.51716425

>>51685699
I have 10 ICP.
Will I make it?

>> No.51716671

>>51716328
>they’re using node consensus
So one node actually gets data, and then the other nodes decide if that data is correct without actually checking themselves?
Great plan lmao

>> No.51716699

>>51716671
No they all make the same call to the API. Any other retarded questions?

>> No.51716716

>>51716699
>No they all make the same call to the API
So the big innovation that's an industry first, is there are multiple oracles calling an API?

>> No.51716739

>>51716671
Holy shit the cope. Your token isn’t needed to determine truth. You just need to hire 5 niggas in a basement if truth can only be determined through single centralized entity with no competition and then tell those 5 niggas their house will get burnt down if they can’t determine if what the centralized entity claims to be true is indeed true. When those 5 niggas houses all get burnt down, you then replace them with 5 other niggas and conduct this same cycle. All you have to say to your clients when the 5 niggas fuck up, they’ll be replaced with a fresh batch of 5 niggas.

>> No.51716748

>>51716739
Yes, you need multiple independent actors to verify and reach consensus.

>> No.51716779

>>51685699
>Hey, how about connecting this retarded slow, unsafe and terribly inefficient protocol with this other one with is blazingly fast and secure for no other reason than moonboys

>> No.51716790

>>51716748
Literally can be done with separate apis that contain the same info but concluded differently. Your scenarios only need to be applied if it comes from a single centralized entity where the truth cannot be found anywhere else other than from that entity. Meaning you’d literally have to have those 5 niggas each create an api from within that centralized entity in order to verify if it’s true. And if they fuck up oh well just fire them and get a fresh new batch of 5 niggas

>> No.51716799

>>51716790
>Literally can be done with separate apis
Yes, ideally you also use multiple sources.
But keep in mind that each of these sources needs multiple oracles, or you're back to a single point of failure.

>> No.51716801

>>51685699
wtf does it mean to make an http request on the blockchain?

>> No.51716822

>>51716799
As I said
>same info but concluded differently
You don’t need this for everything. There is a very small market for this but saying this needs to be applied for everything is retarded. Hell you don’t even the chainlink token in order to do this either.

>> No.51716830

>>51716822
>You don’t need this for everything.
Right, you only need it for things that require the security of a blockchain.

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51716832

>>51685699
I see pee

>> No.51716868

>>51716716
Alright look you need to accept the fact the canisters can go off chain now to get data without the need for link. It’ll be okay. Seriously.

>> No.51716902

>>51716830
Only if the blockchain is completely immutable. Where if anything is stored there is permanent. You don’t understand what canisters are in the internet computer. You can change/correct the data that is stored there while still having more security than web2.
For icps case you don’t need to hire t5 niggas from link. All the old outdated blockchains sure that’s fine you can hire the 5 niggas from link. Still don’t see how you need to link token in order to do this either

>> No.51716921

>>51715141
Call sendMoney without consensus, then check the state of the external ledger checkBalance with consensus and infer the payment took place.

>> No.51716951

>>51716921
checkBalance: 315 (consensus)
send money(20) (not consensus)
checkBalance: 295 (consensus)

This is a problem for a very reduced number of use cases anyway, you can still absorb 90% of web2 with this feature.

>> No.51716957

>>51716868
Sure, I'm reacting to the OP saying this is a "first".
In reality, this is an oracle system, and it's fundamentally less flexible than something like Chainlink.

>>51716902
>Only if the blockchain is completely immutable.
>Where if anything is stored there is permanent.
That's the whole point of blockchain.

>> No.51716978

>>51716830
Also what happens when icp integrates a chain say Bitcoin and ethereum? I’m pretty sure you’d still be able to update/change the data that is stored in the canisters intended for those chains but I could be completely wrong on this one.

>> No.51717027

>>51716957
It’s immutable without consensus with everything that has not to do with transactions which is fine in order icp situation in order to prevent cp being permanently stored on the chain. You only need an immutable ledger for finances if you’re trying to do anything else with the chain as in host entire applications/websites on chain everything on there does not need to be entirely permanent and the solution icp came up with is a governance dao that anybody in the community can partake in.
I still don’t see why the link token itself is needed

>> No.51717044

>>51717027
It’s fine in icps situation in order***
I’m gonna go work out I’ll be back on in like a hour or 2

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51717348

>>51717027
The transmission of data into the blockchain has to have the same basic level of security as a blockchain.
If you're using blockchain for data, then using a centralized oracle for this data will never do.
It's not a difficult concept.

>I still don’t see why the link token itself is needed
Ask Vitalik, Eric Schmidt, ...

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51717424

>>51717348
All the websites on icp have the same security as every other blockchain arguably better. You’re literally a bot repeating a script

>> No.51717427

>>51717348
imagine writing all that
this post REEKS of desperation

>> No.51717436

>>51717424
>All the websites on icp have the same security as every other blockchain arguably better.
k?
We were talking about getting external data on-chain, see the OP.

>> No.51717493

ALL I NEED TO KNOW BROS IS THIS BULLISH OR BEARISH LONG TERM??

>> No.51717697

>>51716306
this is the cybernetic equivalent of giving dfinity a penis to rawdog streetwalkers

the linkies in this thread are the cybernetic equivalent of condom advocates

do with this information what you will

>> No.51717921

>>51687372
The same way Ameritrade or Fidelity does it. Linkers are being strung along and dumped on as Sergay solves problems that don't really exist. Any useful blockchain that interfaces with Web2 will eventually have to trust a centralized entity. At that point, you need an algorithm to determine if the data is valid. Linkers act like Sergay has a patent on the simple math required to validate price feeds.

>> No.51718917

Yuge
Chainlinkers cope

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51720051

WOOOP WOOOOP MUTHAFUCKAAAS

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INDANET COMBUDER

>> No.51720175

>Gets price feeds from Coinbase
>Coinbase gets price feeds from Chainlink
>No oracles
Kek
Absolutely retarded ICP faggots.

>> No.51721117

>>51720175
>ICP gets Coinbase exchange determined price feed from Coinbase
>Chainlink gets Coinbase exchange determined price feed from Coinbase
>ICP creates Dapp specific oracles as needed
>Sirgay continues to dump on smooth brain linkers

fixed ur post

>> No.51721349

>>51720175
lol

>> No.51721439

>>51721117
God level based

>> No.51721471

>>51721349
>>51721439
>>51721117
>Coping baglets

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51721479

>>51721117
>>51721439

>> No.51722032

so does this replace chainlink or no? im still confused

>> No.51722255

>>51721479
How is the token needed for this?

>> No.51722273

>>51722032
OP didnt even mention link and link shills came and tried to shit up the thread
its
its obvious

>> No.51723224

>>51722273
Piss marines Wagmi

>> No.51723289

It's over for chainlink

>> No.51723303

>>51705905
I am saying, any fucking nerd in a basement can offer a chainlink price feed it's open. Oracles need trust at some point, chainlink is just a big keeper network. It's a scam.

>> No.51723450

>>51721479
lmao, this is just muh partnership grifting, chainlink is not scalable. It relies on potheads setting up feeds. I can apply tomorrow and get my feed online

>> No.51723610

>>51722273
>>51723289
alright, so are the ccip/swift thing and eric schmidt real shit or just one of those useless partnership events?