/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>51528541
People in Germany are literally dying in the streets.

>>51528568
Good

>>51528541
No, anon, we are not ok.

This will be the end of German industry in a few months. No country could sustain this.

Bruddis wie gehts?

>>51528568
Politicians should die in the streets, sadly not

>>51528541
Another russian shill bot thread.

>>51528616
Der fakt, dass /pol/ shizos meinen es wäre vorbei, macht mich so bullish wie noch nie auf die deutsche Industrie

>>51528608
what industry?

>>51528541
unironically yes, the only "bad" thing is the gas price but people are blowing it way out of proportion, just get a blanket or something fucking pussies. Government said no higher than 19 degrees celsius in offices and everyone was like OMG NOOOOOOO as if that's somehow difficult to endure

>>51528649
>what industry?

i dont know if youre pretending to be a moron or are one, but Germany is (soon to be was) the industrial powerhouse of Europe.

>>51528655
>unironically yes, the only "bad" thing is the gas price but people are blowing it way out of proportion, just get a blanket or something fucking pussies.

Germany industries need cheap gas you spastic.

>>51528670
that's really fucking sad then because yuro industrial output is pathetic

>>51528541
not my problem

>>51528655
This is the average German cuck

Which assets to buy during recession high inflation? Energy, defensive consumer staples, bonds??

>>51528684
>that's really fucking sad then because yuro industrial output is pathetic

there are numerous car makers in Europe such as VW, BMW, Mercedes etc.

And heavy trucks, aerospace, you name it. A lot of stuff is made in Europe.

>>51528689
>This is the average German cuck

This is the same moron who thought Germany's gas storage would get them through the winter

>>51528541
Who cares, germany is the new africa

>>51528655
Lol literal cuck

>>51528636
English, germigger

>>51528541
>>51528568
Sadly there aren't enough muslims dying enough in Germany. Soon enough Germany will end up like Rome/Italy, surrounded by gypsies larping as romans, in this case as germans.

>>51528541
>PPI PENIS PRODUCER INDEX

>>51528655
Lmao, everything doubled in price, energy, food, sure i wont starve but i pay double for anything even at discounters and poorfags will feel it and dont get me started on industries, try building a house, you wont find a single contractor giving any ballpark on prices because they cant, you basically need to blankcheck it

>>51528655
Lol I worked in Germany during COVID and it was fucking freezing in the office because they kept opening the windows every hour at least (and sometimes just leaving them constantly open) to let the heckin deadly virus out, no one seemed to have any problem with this, actually they were all for it.

I visited my parents this morning and they frozen to death last night, tomorrow is the funeral. Russia was right we cant survive without their gas. Supporting ukraine was a mistake.

>>51529313
Thats a funny thing, there are legal covid measures in place that say you HAVE to open the windows in public places for fresh air, but now there are also legal measures to save energy that say youre not allowed to open them, lets see whats more important for the clowns, energy or scandemic, i bet they will follow biden and say covid is over in the next weeks and abolish all measures against it

>>51528568
I wish.

>>51528541
>*pays €20 for a pack of cheese*
>TAKE THAT, PUTIN!

>>51529385
>No cheese packs in Russian supermarkets
>Regular cheese is half of your monthly salary
>TAKE THAT NATO!

I'm loading up on cheap euros and euro stocks. Shit is going to moon when Russia accepts a ceasefire and turns the gas back on.

>>51528541
wir schaffen das

>>51529640
>Shit is going to moon when Russia accepts a ceasefire and turns the gas back on.

why would they turn the gas back on if they lose?

>>51529406
kek, russia is a huge exporter of food, they'll have plenty of cheap cheese
>>51529640
>Shit is going to moon when Russia accepts a ceasefire and turns the gas back on.
why would they? india and china are more than happy to buy and new pipelines are in the works

>>51529406
>51529385
>>No cheese packs in Russian supermarkets

lol what? there is plenty of everything in russian supermarkets and the food is cheaper than europe

>>51529354
>I visited my parents this morning and they frozen to death last night, tomorrow is the funeral. Russia was right we cant survive without their gas. Supporting ukraine was a mistake.

winter hasn't even started yet. several months of autumn to go first.

let's see how happy Germans are in January 2023.

>>51529679
Thats the thing with propaganda
Your state TV is saying that we will frozen to death this winter and our TV says that you dont have enough resources due sanctions. Both are lying and nobody is winning

>>51529669
>>51529678

Russia needs the money. New pipelines to other parts of the world aren't up yet, by the time they are, Europe will have other gas sources too.

That's the bull case. Russia keeps the gas off is the worse bear case, and its already priced in as what is expected. So they have one year of gas troubles until they build new sources.

Bullish medium to long term for Europe anyway, plus a big pump in the short term if the gas is turned back on.

>>51529872
>Russia needs the money.

i really don't believe it does. Russia alreay has energy, steel, aluminium, food, uranium, gold, you name it they have it.

what do they need our fake money that we print for?

>>51529872
>Russia needs the money.
maybe but not usd or euros, we sanctioned them remeber? they could sell to germany right now but muh problems with the turbine, you understand comrade
>Europe will have other gas sources too.
yes but not soon enough
>So they have one year of gas troubles
kek, so they'll just shut down their economy until then, lmao
also it takes more than a year to build a nuke plant, oil refinery or an lng port

>>51529777
>Thats the thing with propaganda
>Your state TV is saying that we will frozen to death this winter

some Germans will freeze but the important thing is that Germany's numerous industries will collapse.

obviously if your TV says Russia doesnt have enough resources due to sanctions that can't be right because it is Russia that has all the resources.

>>51529872
>Europe will have other gas sources too
doubt.jpg

>>51529872
>So they have one year of gas troubles until they build new sources.

what do you mean 'build new sources'? you can't build a gas factory, retard.

How much is 1 kg of rice now in Germany ? I bought some a few days ago in france and it was 3 fuckin euros !

>>51529987

Pipelines from Norway, Africa, LNG terminals for gas from US or anywhere in the world. They can also start fracking if them want for long term independence, I don't know euro politics that well, whether if there were forced to if they'd go with fracking or building more nuclear if they had to. Either way, point is medium to long term Europe is fine, like the US they can become energy independent. They just have to stitch together supplies in the short term.

>>51529777
>nobody is winning
*laughs in Hebrew*

>>51530039
>Pipelines from Norway, Africa, LNG terminals for gas from US or anywhere in the world

Nowhere near enough.

Norway is already supplying all it can.

North Africa the same.

LNG in the best case scenario can provide only a small percentage of what would be needed at many times the price.

>>51529898
War is expensive but I agree with your point. They probably don't want Euros

>German power situation so bad even Orange Man could see it
>they laughed at him for telling them the obvious truth that being Russia’s gas cumdump was a bad idea
Germs get what they deserve

>>51530039
>They can also start fracking if them want for long term independence

There has been fracking in many European countries including the UK and it has failed everywhere to produce any commercially usable gas.

Europe has the wrong geology for it to be successful.

It seems you get your knowledge from headlines in the media, to be honest.

>>51530077
>War is expensive but I agree with your point.

War is expensive and takes a lot of surplus resources which is exactly what Russia has.

'money' is just a token. dollars and euros can't conjure resources into existence.

>>51529898
Yet they lack the means of transforming and transporting them.

>>51528541
Not a German but a friendly neighbor and I just heard 12 year old boys sing Erika in my street lmao. What happens if PPI goes to 50% MoM?

>>51530070

Far more than enough once capacity is built up. Its just a matter of time. Europe sits on substantial gas resources, they just haven't had to push to extract it yet because they thought supporting Russia with trade would be worth it.

>>51530096

It is banned in most of Europe outside the UK. Its like the US. Gas is plentiful, Europeans just don't want to do it in their own backyard, so they just exported the pollution to Russia.

>>51530024

Depends on which you buy. Just found the basic one, that I was buying years ago (when I still ate non human food) for 1,39€ and I think, around five years ago it cost either 59 or 79 cents. Most rices cost over 3€ for a kilo though. Absolute rip off.

>>51530150
>Far more than enough once capacity is built up

capacity where?

what new gas fields are going to open up in Norway and Algeria to provide gas?

as i told you, fracking has been tried in Europe and has not worked. that's why they banned it, it was an easy win to make them look green.

you're living in a fantasy feel-good world created by your ignorance and you're going to meet reality.

>>51529777
cheked but >>51530045 lol
Russia is not winning, Ukraine is winning, but the West is losing fucking hard here.

>>51530150
No that's disingenious to say it's a matter of time to build it up and there wasn't a need for it. Agenda 2030 and globalism made them do a colonialism, let other poorer countries dig up their lands and we just buy it cheap with inflated dollars and if they give lip we'll send the IMF. Holland has the biggest natural gas reserves of Europe and basically put a cork in it.

>>51530205

Did you read my post? Yes from Norway, Africa, and from the US through new LNG terminals. And fracking has not "been tried" in Europe, it is banned for green politics. It has only been done in the UK and Ukraine. But they could un-ban it and frack all the gas they need - if they need to.

>you're living in a fantasy feel-good world created by your ignorance and you're going to meet reality.

Says the Russia shill.

>>51530217

Exactly. They cucked the shit out of you Russians and you finally got wise. But they have all the gas they need in the medium to long term.

>>51530217
>Holland has the biggest natural gas reserves of Europe and basically put a cork in it.

This is nonsense, Holland has been producing gas since the 1980s. The reserves are gone.

None of you mongs have a clue what you're talking about.

>>51530267
Fracking costs money. The USA actually lost money doing fracking, but it was in their strategic interests.
They could try it in Europe, but the French would be really pissed because everyone gets retarded about Nuclear.

>>51528634
Kek yes only Russia is pushing inflation numbers. Lolol oh my fuck ur dumb.

>>51530267
>Did you read my post? Yes from Norway, Africa, and from the US through new LNG terminals

lol oh dear.

you're utterly retarded. we dont need LNG terminals to get gas from Norway and Africa because we are already connected to both places by actual pipelines.

now fuck off and get back to your homework, kid.

>>51530315
>Fracking costs money. The USA actually lost money doing fracking, but it was in their strategic interests.

it doesnt matter what it costs, like i have told you all, FRACKING DOES NOT WORK IN EUROPE.

they have drilled hundreds of wells and havent produced a single cubic metre of commercially viable gas.

>>51530267
It's all designed to put us behind an iron curtain and cut off commerce with China and Russia, in favor of the US and riding roughshot over Latin American and Africa for Lithium and cobalt etc. If this becomes a reality expect a LOT of wars, coups there. The US is dying as a superpower and is lashing out. It's very fucking afraid rn.

>>51530318
Great. Double Norway’s production and ship it. Maybe include a volume discount.

>>51530287
that's just proof of how big they are dipshit

>>51530372
breh im moving to a country in latam to hedge against the west and you're telling me it's going to be a proxy war like in the 70s or the metal gear universe?
latam is america's backyard, africa is china's?

>>51530374
>Great. Double Norway’s production and ship it. Maybe include a volume discount.

Yeah that should work. Norway can just double gas production. Why dont they just quintuple their gas production and supply all of Europe? Problem solved.

>>51529872
>Europe will have other gas sources too.
Other sources will mean Africa or North America. African gas will require billions if not tens of billions in investment to create the infrastructure needed to get gas to Europe in pipelines. North American gas will need to be converted to LNG, which entails a loss of fuel efficiency compared to normal natural gas. Plus it then has to be transported on specialized LNG tankers, of which there are only a limited number in the world amd very few shipyards with the capacity to produce more. I doubt Europe will be off Russian gas entirely ever, and certainly can't replace it as the main supplier for the next 10 years or so unless they want to totally sacrifice their industry in the meantime.

>>51530337
these idiots are so jewed. Here's synthesis: No it doesn't work but it's a loan game and the US will ensure it happens with US finance heavily involved. Will not net us any considerable amount of oil though. And will be done in dirty unwashed places like Africa where NATO still controls shit, not in pristine globohomo-Green voting lands.

>>51530392
>that's just proof of how big they are dipshit

how big they WERE you spastic. reserves get used up and they have been.

>>51529898
>you name it they have it.
Except a functional industrial base. Their domestic production quality is garbage and their production volume is just as garbage. They need to export raw materials so they can afford to import finished goods. Without an export market all they have is China who will (and is) severely lowball them thanks to a complete lack of competition.

>>51530439
>African gas will require billions if not tens of billions in investment to create the infrastructure needed to get gas to Europe in pipelines

the pipelines are already there, do you know nothing?

but theres no extra gas to put in them.

>>51530460
>Except a functional industrial base. Their domestic production quality is garbage and their production volume is just as garbage.

i dont know the details on that and im sure you dont either.

i'm sure they'll somehow manage without BMW cars and the like. we won't manage without energy though.

>>51530460
>Without an export market all they have is China who will (and is) severely lowball them thanks to a complete lack of competition.

how nice of you to be concerned for the price Russia gets for its resources.

lets see how it works out. so far Russia is being flooded with money with the massive rise in prices.

>>51530414
yeah just extrapolate from where we are. West imperialism: go green export pollution. East: pay everyone fair money in their local currency or go fuck yourself. West will coup their way to continue to fuck up poor countries and yeah that means Latam which is heavily pivoting towards China now too (this means the same digging up their lands bit being paid for it at fair value). There's already been coups and Bolsonaro is being subjugated to a full court press from globohomo to have him 'lose' elections for exactly this reason.

>>51530455
eat a dick faggot

>>51530546
>eat a dick faggot

look at the discovery date of the field you mongoloid.

fucking 1959.

how much usable gas do you think is left?

>>51528541
Im dumb, How fucked are they?

point of comparison: BC's (Canada) LNG project and terminal was first planned in 2011... it took 7 years to finish consultations and approve the project and it's still being built with cost overruns.

>>51528925
>destroy the greatest civilization on earth
>your own empire dies the same way
Heh, ironic

>>51530584
>Im dumb, How fucked are they?

very fucked but various fucknuggets here think they can get more gas that doesnt exist from places like Norway.

its clear that the only thing /biz knows about is shitty crypto coins.

>>51529678
>>51529679
>Russians literally visit finland just to buy cheese
You should see the vans at the border crossing. Ruskis just buying like 200kg of cheese.

>>51530475
holy fuck you are completely out of your depth here. Only Algeria has working pipelines to Spain and Italy, who uses to have something towards Libya too. Nigeria doesn't have pipelines across the Sahara, it's a political nightmare. Even the Saudis or the Qataris can't get it out of their peninsula without boats. And on top, Bangladesh is now powering its country on diesel generated power because all the LNG tankers in the world are now supplying Europe and fuck the niggers and slant eyes. They are turning to who else but Russia and China en masse now btw

>>51530632
>You should see the vans at the border crossing. Ruskis just buying like 200kg of cheese.

show me that happening in 2022.

>>51530607
>>destroy the greatest civilization on earth
krauts destroyed classical USA with the wars

>>51530638
>holy fuck you are completely out of your depth here. Only Algeria has working pipelines to Spain and Italy,

because only Algeria has any fucking gas to send you utter retard.

we are not going to be building any pipeline to Nigeria, forget it.

>>51530638
>all the LNG tankers in the world are now supplying Europe and fuck the niggers and slant eyes

lol thats completely untrue and even if it was it wouldnt make up for the loss of russian pipeline gas

>>51530498
>i'm sure they'll somehow manage without BMW cars and the like.
Anon, 20% of Russian homes do not have indoor plumbing. Their own domestic cars are shitboxes as well (pic related). They have no production capacity for any of their modern military equipment, let alone adequate throughput for a civilian market too poor to afford washing machines.

>>51530516
Russia's economy is imploding from lack of semi-complete and completed goods. They can't even keep up their own ammunition production and have to source shells from South Korea. Tank production is stalled (they've been rolling tanks from the 60s into battle because of how desperate the need is). They can't replace air losses, and couldn't keep up with their own airforce's needs even before the sanctions hit. The announcement of the draft (its not named a draft but its a draft) has caused a massive red day in the Russian markets.

Russia is ngmi.

>>51530679
Dropped my pic. Woops.
It's a showpiece for vlad. They ripped the handle off.

>>51530638
Kek oil baggies. Maybe next time don’t get your investment advice from youtube shills.

>>51530571
Almost 90% asswipe, where do you think this gas went? It went to Holland and Germany and nowhere else. It paid men a decent salary to provide a family of five and gave our industrial economy an advantage. Then came the environmentalists and when home owners complained about some rumblings causing their homes to shake they literally shut it down. It can save us now but the regime here is so jewed they refuse to discuss it. The new, Eastern world order will be one that you either pay full price for gas and no more colonialism or you dig up your own country. Same with rare earths. I'll wait while the US announces lithium mines (and more importantly refineries) in SoCal and Nevada instead of China. Not even Australia and Canada that produce lithium want that toxic refinery shit when it could be good paying jobs and the base for industry, remember that?

>>51528541
My Nebenkostenabrechnung always comes a year late so I'll feel it later, although I'm pretty sure the landlords will want their money back quicker than they pay the surplus

>>51530679
Seoul sold ammunition to Russia to blow up Ukraine lol?
I know it's NK just having a laugh

>>51530679
>Anon, 20% of Russian homes do not have indoor plumbing. Their own domestic cars are shitboxes as well (pic related)

i'm not interested in your outdated info you learned on 4chan.

you dont know that's true and nor do i. you have nothing to say that isnt just parroted from other posters on here.

>>51530632
the cheese is pretty bad in Russia yeah but I'm Dutch so I'm spoiled with the best cheese in the world.

>>51528541
Why Germany is getting Weimar'd while PIGS stay afloat? Don't they all use the same currency?

>>51530679
>r-russia is going to collapse any day now
for such a shithole they are doing surprisingly well against a more numerous enemy equipped with newest nato toys and having billions in lendlease literally pumped up its ass for the last 8 years

>>51530727
>Almost 90% asswipe, where do you think this gas went? It went to Holland and Germany and nowhere else. It paid men a decent salary to provide a family of five and gave our industrial economy an advantage. Then came the environmentalists and when home owners complained about some rumblings causing their homes to shake they literally shut it down.

youre not listening to me. yes the field has been shut down, but it was depleted anyway after decades of production.

gas fields only last so long.

>>51530643
Theres russians in my local supermarket and they always haul cheese with them.
Picrel from during chinaflu.

>>51530677
>gets BTFO
>ITS UNTRUE BECAUSE I SAID SO WHERE IS YOUR PEER REVIEW FACT CHECKED SOURCE

just slither away in quiet and neck yourself in the corner you pathetic molecule

>>51530738
>I know it's NK just having a laugh
This is what I get for trying to effortpost after coffee. I hate the jitters but I like the drink itself too much.
Should probably swap to decaf.

>>51528541
>since the start of the statistic in 1949
im pretty sure they have statistics from like 10 or 15 yrs before that but they dont want to mention them... because of the implications

>>51530762
>Theres russians in my local supermarket and they always haul cheese with them.
>Picrel from during chinaflu.

whats the date of that photo? you seem to have missed that part off

>>51530794
From chinaflu, so 2020 or 2021.
Idk why you're trying ti argue about this when its a known fact that everyone knows about.

>>51530763
>>gets BTFO
>>ITS UNTRUE BECAUSE I SAID SO WHERE IS YOUR PEER REVIEW FACT CHECKED SOURCE
>just slither away in quiet and neck yourself in the corner you pathetic molecule

its untrue because cargos of LNG are landing as normal in Asian countries such as south korea, japan, taiwan etc, you piece of shit.

>>51530659
Nigeria is fucking Africa now isn't it. Nigeria, Senegal, Egypt, Mozambique, Tanzania, Sudan, Morocco (just discovered off the coast of Western Sahara which led to recognition of the territory belonging to Morocco by Spain which pisses off the Algerians) are just a few with a total of hundreds of trillion cubic metric tonns of reserve, you absolute jizzface.

>>51530811
>From chinaflu, so 2020 or 2021.
>Idk why you're trying ti argue about this when its a known fact that everyone knows about.

i dont regard 4chan memes as 'known facts', sorry.

i know for sure there is cheese in Russian supermarkets, ive seen plenty of recent videos.

so it seems youre talking shit.

>32 posts by this ID

>>51530148
I wonder

>>51530750
>for such a shithole they are doing surprisingly well against a more numerous enemy equipped with newest nato toys and having billions in lendlease literally pumped up its ass for the last 8 years

according to /biz they are about to collapse because they desperately need our euros for something or other. and they dont have any cheese.

>>51530834
>Implying finnish cheese exporting is a 4chan meme
Your brainrot is showing.
You can believe what you want, but I know the facts.

>>51530878
>Your brainrot is showing.
>You can believe what you want, but I know the facts.

the UK also imports a lot of cheese. Loads of it in fact.

Does that mean the UK doesn't produce cheese?

>>51530659
https://spire.com/blog/maritime/ais-ship-tracking-reveal-qatar-helping-eu-survive-russian-gas-sanctions/
Tanker owners get offered more per nautical mile to ship to Europe where do you think they go? Same as with Ukrainian wheat 'to feed poor Africans' -all went to Europe for the same reasons. And now I'm done with correcting you and the rest of anons can decide to agree with you or not.

>>51530898
>Moving the goalpost

>>51530758
ok buddy you do you

>>51530750
>equipped with newest nato toys
Lend Lease hasn't actually started yet. Most of what Ukraine has been given from the West is Cold War/Post Cold War tech, a lot of it old Soviet surplus from former WSP states because Ukraine has actual infrastructure for that sort of thing. Pic related is one of the HARM missiles from the U.S. that the Ukes were using to blow up/suppress Russian AA radar; it's warranty expired in '91.
The most modern equipment Ukraine has received from NATO are anti-tank missiles and rocket artillery. Most everything else is mothballed Soviet equipment or older surplus from the post Cold War. Exception for the Turkish drones whose name I forget how to spell, but I think those were purchased by Ukraine directly.

>>51530905
>https://spire.com/blog/maritime/ais-ship-tracking-reveal-qatar-helping-eu-survive-russian-gas-sanctions/
>Tanker owners get offered more per nautical mile to ship to Europe where do you think they go?

this proves absolutely nothing and frankly countries like south korea are wealthy enough to outbid Europe if need be.

as i said, supplies of LNG to Asia continue as normal.

>>51530852
can't come back soon enough.

>>51530834
Nigger please, just because you dont know something doesnt make it a "4chan meme".

Russians buying and smuggling cheese has been a subject of humor for finns for years and years now.

Idk why you're spamming this thread so vigorously, but at least try to not get BTFO'd about everything.

>>51528568
turkroaches are not people

>>51530934
>Lend Lease hasn't actually started yet.

it cant start because Lend Lease means you pay for the equipment. Ukraine can't pay.

>>51529872
>Russia needs the money.
Iranian Drones and Chinese rockets smuggled through North Korea were found in Ukraine. It's over, Russia humiliated itself at the recent Eurasian Conference for being propped up.

>>51530934
it's laughable to see jews in the US even financialize war like this with replenishing stocks this way and infuriating at the same time because our regimes salivate at getting ordered around by them.

>>51530948
>Asia: Australia, Japan, South Korea
man you're in for a rude awakening when the dollar dies

>>51530968
i'll post whereever i wish, thank you. as i said, i dont care about your memes. there is cheese in russian supermarkets so the claim that there isnt is a lie.

>>51528541
So far, yeah.
Idk what PPI does but don`t be mislead this is not the actual inflation number.

The usually cheapest 400g pack of cheese at the supermarket increased from (used to be 2021) 2€ to 2.70€ now.
That`s one of the higher increases. Some items didn`t have any increse in price. It did get harder overall, but not really substantially.

Welfare is being increased from 450€ / person to 500€ / person (that is after rent+ heating payments, have to pay food, clothing, electricity and most other stuff from that)
(50€ less if you live together with a partner)

>>51530981
>Iranian Drones and Chinese rockets smuggled through North Korea were found in Ukraine.

what Chinese rockets? they openly purchased the Iranian drones.

>>51531002
Nobody has claimed that there is not so quit being a retard who makes up imaginary arguments.
Cheese in russia is shit quality and expensive for what it is.
t. I live in eastern finland and visit russia almost monthly.

>>51531032
>Cheese in russia is shit quality and expensive for what it is.

probably, sounds just like UK cheddar cheese.

>40 posts by this ID

>>51528568
>dying in the street
>frozen in the sheets

>>51528692
Bonds - No. Inflation spike will devour your returns.
Energy - Where it last spring, yes. Now.... Most stocks already priced in the extra gains of this winter. So, rather not.
Defensive consumer staples - Maybe?

I expect a stock market crash this winter, THEN you should buy, not now. Until then: Difficult to say for me.
I'm currently selling options, to get rid of my last stock positions. Honestly, I'm likely three weeks too late for that.

>>51528707
Lots of good companies.
But the car companies you listed are getting brutalized.
- Higher production costs, via high energy costs.
- Electric push from Chinese manufacturers. (Repeat of the 70s Japanese car boom. Just with the Chinese. Check it out. It was a massacre for the old manufacturers.)

I expect all three car manufacturers you have listed, to ask for a lot of government money during next year. (They will call it "investment", instead of "bailout".)

>>51529354
My parents grew up in houses without central heating. The houses they lived in could only in some rooms be heated at all. With wood at that.

How the fuck did your parents freeze to death?
I call BULLSHIT on you.

>>51528684
Isn`t Europe industry combined bigger than US?

>>51530039
The short term (1-2 years) is harsh.

After that. Holy shit is our politics moving. I have not seen this much stuff get done in the last decade.
- Europe is going all in on renewables and alternative imports of gas. These two things are the only ones that are fast enough.
- Centralisation and working together also jumped forward. Stuff is suddenly implemented, that was killed off in debates before now.

>>51528608
>you will see the implementation of Morgenthau's Plan in your lifetime
Praise G-d.

>>51531025
Butter literally doubled in price, was around 1,2-1,5€ and now 3€

>>51528655
Have germans always been passive cucks or is it a result of being ground zero for ideological warfare between the US and USSR for 50 years?

>>51531528
>Europe is going all in on renewables and alternative imports of gas. These two things are the only ones that are fast enough.

Both useless. We can't run heavy industry with wind turbines. We can't even keep the lights on with them if there's no wind.

There are no possible alternative gas imports that can replace the Russian gas.

>>51531887
Of course there are, they arent economical though, like shipping gas

>>51531923
>Of course there are, they arent economical though, like shipping gas

no there are not. its not a case of them being more expensive, they simply dont exist in the needed quantitities. you'll see.

>>51529354
really dont get how people are going to freeze to death, have they not heard of a little recent invention called the fire?

>>51531974
>really dont get how people are going to freeze to death, have they not heard of a little recent invention called the fire?

people dont have fireplaces in their homes you spastic. and there wont be nearly enough firewood.

>>51530584
There is a strong short term / mid term divide.

This winter? It's hell!
- Will many people freeze to death? No. That's retarded.
- Production costs spike >> very bad for industry
- Living costs spike >> very bad for everyone
>>> Super bad combination. I did bet money on a major market crash this autumn and winter. Think 2008 or the great recession.

What can be done?
Many solutions exist.
- All 'good' solutions take time >> bad
- More expensive than the Russian gas. >> bad

Next year will be much better, but still bad. We in Europe will mostly be realing from the economic crash. That will have bad knock on effects.

2+ years
Mid term, we will deal. Energy will be more expensive, but still much cheaper than right now.

8+ years.
Long term
- Europe goes all in on renewables. It's the only stuff that will not run out. It gets CHEAPER the more is built (check the production cost decline of solar panels and wind power.) >> Wins hands down.
- Russia acts as after the Chechenia war. As in, back to finding buyers and looking like a 'trustworthy' trade partner. Many will bite.
- People forget about this. (Just ask about 2008 or the Iraq war or the dot-com bubble or the fall of the Soviet-Union. Few give a shit anymore. Humans are bad at remembering details and lessons.)

Russia
Short term: amazing money from gas, oil and other natural ressources
Mid term: amazing money from gas, oil and other natural ressources
Long term: some money from other natural ressources
>>>> Further decline. Will look more like some parts of Africa, than a world power.

>>51532006
the fucking delusion LMAO

>>51528541
It’s ok cuz they’re hurting Putin

>>51532006
>Mid term, we will deal. Energy will be more expensive, but still much cheaper than right now.

no we will not. there is no substitute for Russian pipeline gas. you're believing in fantasies the media is telling you.

>>51532004
the writing is on the wall, anyone without a log burner at the very least or the ingenuity to build their own by now deserves what's to come, there's plenty of firewood available at the moment.

>>51532061
>the writing is on the wall, anyone without a log burner at the very least or the ingenuity to build their own by now deserves what's to come, there's plenty of firewood available at the moment.

you cant put a fireplace in modern homes. no chimneys. are you that stupid?

>>51532079
What's your obsession with fireplaces, wood burners are just as good and you can rig one to an open window with ease

>>51532006
>Europe goes all in on renewables. It's the only stuff that will not run out. It gets CHEAPER the more is built (check the production cost decline of solar panels and wind power.) >> Wins hands down.
I am not sold on a renewable future without Nuclear, which gets stonewalled at every turn for some reason.

>>51532006
>Europe goes all in on renewables. It's the only stuff that will not run out. It gets CHEAPER the more is built (check the production cost decline of solar panels and wind power.) >> Wins hands down.

you're aware that solar panels are made from non renewable resources using non renewable energy and that the price of metallic silicon for making them has increased 300%?

>>51532106
the smoke is supposed to exhaust above the roofline for efficiency and safetly, youre likely to die in your sleep nigger rigging something to a window

>>51532079
Wood stoves can be installed in a modern home pretty easily.

>>51532106
>What's your obsession with fireplaces, wood burners are just as good and you can rig one to an open window with ease

no you cant do that. you need a chimney.

>>51532151
>Wood stoves can be installed in a modern home pretty easily.

well perhaps but it wiould still cost thousands and there isnt nearly enough wood for everyone to use one.

youre not understanding that the only reason Europe has any forests is because we burn gas instead.

>>51532147
Its doable, you do need to lead the exhaust above the roof line and then fit a box to the top of it to prevent blowback. And you can ventilate the room while its in use. Temporary measure if the climate demands it.

>>51528568
german here, literally nothing happens. Goverment sends more gibs this month (300 bucks lol) and besides that it's life as usual. No one cares. Unlike the US people here don't die on the streets. Keep coping amerimud. Germany is a shithole but it's still a better place than the US and germany is fucking low already.

>>51528541
Check

>>51532151
Its against the law retard, your neighbors will report you to the police the minute you turn it on

>>51530852
Social unrest is a known danger. Clever picture choice.

I really hope it's going to only be targeted against the Russians. (unlikely)
But, yeah.... People will most likely just randomly lash out. This will be a bad time. The return of fascism might happen.
I consider it unlikely. The right wing grew and dominated since 2000, but looks like its on the decline.
I expect a left swing, as in more government and leftist policies. Very populistic. Maybe similar to South America. We shall see.

>>51532262
>german here, literally nothing happens. Goverment sends more gibs this month (300 bucks lol) and besides that it's life as usual. No one cares.

that cant be right because German unions and manufacturers have been coming out with dire predictions and demanding the government do something.

handing out dollars isnt going to put gas in the pipes.

>>51532272
Then you can burn down the neighbor’s place and heat the whole neighborhood.

>>51532036
Which part. Please in more words.

>>51532304
There is gas you drama queens. Price cap in the Netherlands goverment pays the rest

>>51532272
It's seriously against the law to have a woodfired stove in Europe?
The modern ones are so efficient that they don't even produce visible smoke (if you use dry wood).

>>51532401
>There is gas you drama queens. Price cap in the Netherlands goverment pays the rest

But not enough gas.

Europe's industries are starting to shut down as a result. That's a big problem.

>>51532461
no they are not you retarded american /pol/ haaaaappening zoomer

Can we make it to
>50 posts by this ID
for the ultimate trannyposter achievement?

>>51532478
>no they are not you retarded american /pol/ haaaaappening zoomer

but they are. fertiliser plants have shut down. steelworks too. and this has barely started.

>>51532239
>bro you dont need a chimney, just vent it out the window into a chimney

>>51532504
They are not fuck off i'm european you're a fat american tranny

>>51532116
Nuclear is an ok energy source. I like it. I considered working in it.

But BUILDING nuclear is SLOW. We are talking almost a decade for a new power plant IF your country is open to building more.
We have the problem now and want solutions now. Not in 10+ years.

What's left is reactivating fossiles or doing renewables or importing. Which will we do? All of them.

Still, the one with good long term scaling and immediate implementation is renewables. >> They win.

>>51532516
Business
Fears of new CO2 shortage after last fertiliser plant confirms shutdown
CF Fertilisers said it intends to halt production at its remaining UK ammonia plant at Billingham near Middlesbrough.

https://www.independent.co.uk/business/fears-of-new-co2-shortage-after-last-fertiliser-plant-confirms-shutdown-b2152409.html

>>51532580
Not the EU

>>51532598
Beer shortages and pig pile-ups: Fertilizer crisis rattles European food chain

Beer and meat production take a hit as fertilizer plants shut down due to soaring energy prices.

https://www.politico.eu/article/alarm-ringing-pub-farmer-fertilizer-plant-threaten-shutdown/

>>51528541
wait a few more months, I wonder how it will be in february when the gas reserves are empty

>>51532620
>beer shortages
nigger fuck off seriously i'm belgian

>>51532636
>nigger fuck off seriously i'm belgian

just telling you the facts. you're delusional if you think theres no problem

>>51532669
Sure there are problems, some bakkery needs to close yeah, but it's not the impending doom you want it to be

>>51532620
>something in the UK again
kek are you retarded

>>51532504
Tata Steel Group is still running here in the netherlands and in the rest of the eu. maybe instead of randomly linking articles you could link at least one company with a revenue of over a billion$ that has shut down as a consequence. I haven't seen any. the EU org I work for (70b+) is going harder than ever this year.
>its happening!!! two weeks!!

>>51528541
The worst part is germans are absolutely clueless. They still think they will get out of this without being competly fucked. all the while alot of buisnesses are going down, becoming insolvent. bakerys, glas, paper, steel, ceramics, all the energy intensive buisness cant surivive and compete.

germans think they just gonna buy 5-10x as expensive gas from LNG USA, Qatar or whatever and things will just continue fine.

>>51533469
Serbian steel plant shuts down blast furnace due to high gas prices
https://metallurgprom.org/en/news/europe/11858-metallurgicheskij-zavod-v-serbii-ostanavlivaet-domennuju-pech-iz-za-vysokih-cen-na-gaz.html

Spain’s steel plants close over soaring energy prices
https://www.thelocal.es/20220310/spains-steel-plants-close-over-soaring-energy-prices/

>>51532630
It will probably be an early spring, the sun shining on Putins desk while he is fuming with anger. Haha, just imagine him sitting at his long ass desk raging at people 10 meters away, lol

>>51533652
>It will probably be an early spring, the sun shining on Putins desk while he is fuming with anger.

if our only hope is a warm spring then we are in serious trouble.

of course the real problem is industrial supply, not people being cold at home.

Serious question. Just a few years ago germcucks would snicker on about how BMW and Mercedes were seen as “luxury” or “premium” in America, talking about how everyone and their grandmas drives those cars
Obviously you poorfags can’t even afford the maintenance and the 91 octane gas that goes with filling these cars for them to function, why are you still driving over engineered luxury cars if you can’t afford them? You all should be driving 15 year old corollas filling with 89 octane

>>56 pbtid

>>51528541
Germany is now like China in December 19.
> ich bin Deutscher

Is hyperinflation 50% YoY or MoM?

>>51528634
>wef
>russia
glowniggers can't meme

>>51532449
No it's not as long as you dont burn up plasic or painted wood in it

>>51528634

>>51528634
Ironically the RT offices in the U.S. used to also be filled with liberals until they all jumped ship after the invasion of Crimea. It was always the place desperate journalism majors applied to when they couldn't get into CNN.

Management has never really pushed any overall coherent message except for Russian foreign policy good.

>>51528568
>I'm not coping you're coping!
kek, sucks to suck yuropoor

>>51528568
Not my problem.

>>51533962
BMW and Mercedes were always premium brands here, where you might gotten confused is that alot of people (lower income as well) drive the older models of these.

>>51531527
Probably, unless you count churning out fat black women as an industry because that's all that America produces anymore.

No, we are not ok, the streets are full of black men, obviously our wives are in danger.

>>51534838
>Every political opinion that isn't the Neoliberal/Neocon consensus is the result of Russian psy-ops
Fuck off cunt

so now that the dust has settled, is europe screwed or not?

is this the german hate/self-pity thread?

>>51535726
>every german itt: nothing is happening
>every autistic russian cum guzzling burger itt: EUROS ARE DYING IN THE STREETS
You tell me.

Shorting the DAX

I do my part

>>51528608
Except we will

>>51528541
Germans are losing their minds ITT. Funny to watch

>>51532262
>>51532401
>Inflation record high
>government would you PLEASE PRINT MORE MOENY
yuropoors get what they fucking deserve

>>51535775
>Except we will

with no industries left you will, sure. can't run a steel plant on unicorn farts.

Wtf is this stupid figure? All official figures say inflation is around 8% like the rest of the West.

>>51528707
Kek aerospace…
What’s ESO on now, it’s fifth mars ‘rover’ that blew up or totally malfunctioned on entry? Same story on pretty much every ESO mission. Has there even been one that didn’t almost
Completely malfunction/crash?

>>51535920
>Kek aerospace…
>What’s ESO on now, it’s fifth mars ‘rover’ that blew up or totally malfunctioned on entry? Same story on pretty much every ESO mission. Has there even been one that didn’t almost
>Completely malfunction/crash?

Europe has Airbus, the largest manufacturer of airliners, you retarded spastic.

Wow, I can't wait to tell my kids about how Europe was a thing.

>>51529406
>HA our leaders made you poorer than they made us!
You're a useful idiot

>>51529354
Good morning from Berlin Oblast, indeed it's very hard and cold here.

>>51532262
Meine Fresse, bist du dämlich. You're probably still living with your parents. Have you seen our energy and gas bills?

>>51532006
he is delusional

3 years from now EU will still have rolling blackouts and dead industry, mass unemployment but the people will be happy since they have at least literally only bread and potatoes

even if EU builds out 100000% solar and wind by magic powers, there are many many days when it is both night and no wind. no energy storage solution is even on the map to implement.

>>51532139
where do you see the price of ferro silicon?

>>51532262
t. underage retard

>Europeans actually bought the "you can run a whole power grid on wind/solar" prank

>>51532184
Not to mention that you burn American forests.

>>51532449
of course its not, but its not as easy as to slap one into your home, and anyone capable is booked till next year because everyone wants one now, wood prices doubled too (still cheaper than gas though)

>>51536461
are you implying american firewood gets imported? never heard of it, all my wood is local

>>51536416
In comparison, even /biz/ doesn't look naive.

>>51528568
Too bad I don't care.

>>51536400
>>51536325
Keep crying idiots. I'm 28 and live in an apartment I own. Yes gas is expensive. Now what? Acting like civil war is around thze corner is so fucking delusional, touch grass for once incels. I pay 80€ a month more than last year right now. Guess what, It could double and double again and again without affecting me in the slightest.
I have a pretty regular job and still can save 60% of my income as I'm not a consoomer and not a retard like the vast majority of people here most likely including both of you. My family is fine. My friends are fine. The supermarket shelves are full. My basement is prepped and has been for years. Last winter I barely hat to wear a fucking coat, let alone heat my flat. Fuck a woman for once you crybaby idiots. I wish the factory you low iq mongos do assembly-line work would shut down because of the energy bills but I know it won't happen anyways, good for you kek.

I have my DAX short open aswell, since DAX was at 13650 points. let it run at least to 11k.

the worst part is that most Germans think this is fine and we just have to pay a bit more for electric and gas for a while.

>>51531974
I dont think there's gonna be enough to burn, but that being said no one's going to die in their apartment or home unless they've got broken windows in all their rooms or some shit.

>>51536724
nice projecting

>>51528608
>No country could sustain this.
This is pretty typical in south america. Plenty of countries survive this.

>>51528655
You know machinery runs on gas right?

>>51535812
America remains the most fiscally responsible country, even with all of our runaway government spending. insane how yuropoor and south ameripoor countries keep making the same hyperinflation mistakes ever 30 years or so

>>51535920
The last thing they successfully did was apologize for wearing a t-shirt.

I’m starting to think the war is just another agreement between the US and Russia to destroy Europe in order to prevent the EU from becoming a world power.

>>51536998
certainly is the goal of the US, i would say russia is just being russia, and the US is using it to destroy the EU

https://redpill78.substack.com/p/newly-leaked-report-from-rand-corporation

>weakening Germany, strengthening US

>>51528713
Oh, reminds me of a story.
>be me
>french speaking swiss going to Freiburg (Germany) to learn german
>richest german town, they say
>lidl is the standard quality for food
>meat tastes like shit, cheese has no taste
>chocolate is a scandal, coffee is bland
>people work two-three part-time jobs to live
>nobody is properly dressed, all are neglected
>they hate to spend
>mfw the germans literally got psyop'd into thinking they are well paid.

>>51536536
Yes I am implying that
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/bbb.1910

>>51529985
>>51530439
Canada has already said they will step up to the plate. They have a fuckton of oil and gas, and are currently creating a huge LNG pipeline in British columbia.

>>51537130
sounds more like you got psyoped into thinking freiburg is a rich town lmao

>>51537359
>pellets
lmao, they make 1% of the heating energy, literally nothing

https://www.depv.de/p/Pelletmarkt-in-Deutschland-zieht-spurbar-an-Hoher-Absatz-an-Feuerungen-und-erstmals-mehr-als-3-Mio-Tonnen-Produktion-jA6jkfSq8WrB4aVVmipgaj

>>51537130
based swiss telling it like it is
>>51538018
"Das BIP pro Kopf lag im selben Jahr bei 49.621 € (Baden-Württemberg: 43.632 €, Deutschland 38.180 €) und liegt damit deutlich über dem regionalen und nationalen Durchschnitt."
Not the richest, but well above the average.

>>51536724
You are beyond hope if you think eightfold energy costs are sustainable for even a short amount of time. Both people and companies face utter financial collapse. People will lose their homes, which is sad enough as it is, but companies will truly stop existing, which is not easily reversable.
Let me give you an example, as you probably dont get it by now. Take a producing company, making small parts out of metall. Thats an energy intensive production cycle, and they wont be internationaly competitive with those energy costs. So they close down, putting ~1000 people out of work. Fast forward a year, energy costs are back to normal (as if). Will the company be recreated and hire those 1000 worker again? No, the capital is gone, buildings and equipment will have been sold, and most importantly, customers will have moved to other suppliers. The company is lost forever, and if you think its easy to restart industrial areas please take a look at detroit.
Those effects may not be felt by you directly, but you will see it in the streets, in your town, in the people aroud you.
So get your head out of your ass and realize what this means for the society you seem to live in, your idea of 'not a big deal and not my problem' is ridiculously childish.

>>51536998
definitely feels like WE are the target of the economic warfare...

>>51532262
You must be 18 to post on this board

Wow, things haven't been this crazy since....1933