/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>51498468
bobo and snibs linked up, need it or keep it?

Still can't believe I fell for the HODL meme and now need to catch up my losses via active trading. I'm halfway there now. I'll never longterm hold again unless I bought during a bear market, holy fuck.

it's our time soon

>>51498614
If the market crashes 20 percent in one week I'll be very happy

>>51498613
What ticker and what's your avg?

>>51498614
Mumu has betrayed me. Mumu must suffer.

>>51498683
It will but only when you least predict it. They cant have you making money now can they?

do the defense contractors require that I get a myocarditis shot or not? How do I get a job with them?

>>51498864
Not universally, but they all require a tracking implant.

this was the bottom for the next year. 2023 we crash again

>>51498777
Me trading in 40 years.

>>51498723
Unironically CLOV, average at $7.20 and an altcoin by the name of HBAR woth $0.32 that I was too lazy to sell or sit in stables with.

>>51498961
what's your active trading approach?

fuck scamath

>>51498683
That’s about the worst case scenario I’ve heard from Jeremy Grantham and Dalio who have been right about pretty much everything for a year now.

>>51498975
volume profile analysis, i just long/short when trading levels coalesce on the daily and set my stop loss below them. nothing fancy.

>>51498961
>he fell for the pajeet scam
Kek

You fucked the links up

>>51499082

>that feel when the SOXL hit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQfEIkclv-o

>>51498844
There's a good chance will go towards 3200 until the elections. Just think of all the things going to happen from now to then.
>>51498986
S&P at 3200 is becoming highly likely in my pov

buy XLU calls. Thank me later

gm sirs

>OP image
Umm financially speaking, can you not be so toxic? Thanks

I think we can all agree a circuit breaker day would be good

>>51498986
>>51499367
>tfw have a nov/dec spread that maximizes gains at $322
Feeling comfy

>>51499395
Utilities cannot easily pass the buck onto consumers. Their pricing is very inelastic.

Maybe all this bad news from FDX and GS will make jpow dovish...

You started your doomsday garden yet? It’s so easy, bro. Just put some seeds in the ground and bam! Food for a year! Fucking farmers raping people frfr.

>>51499367
>3200 until the elections.
doubt they can keep it pumping for long. Pretty sure were just slowly crabbing down and probably crashing early next year. Oil and gas will be the only survivors.

>>51499477
watch and learn

>>51499474
You(yes you specifically) will be liquidated

These past 9 months

>>51499488
CHAZ should have never died

>>51499494
Unless have been prepping price increases while oil tanked before it kicks off. Either way I am skeptical on calls since people here started shilling utilities you might get IV crushed since its just a protective play.

Best economy ever. Trumpeters seething. Repukes coping. Praise the liberal world order.

>>51498614
I'm coming for you mumu

>>51499488
why would I be a cuck and start farming if a doomsday happened? I want to go around reminding everyone I told you so.

I drank 4 Voodoo rangers with 9% abv, and 3 bud lights last night bros. The wife kept blowing up the bathroom so i literally got blacked out drunk watching Venture bros. I'm fucking hung over and have to go to work where I will continue coloring Draw fag anon's art. This is financial advice, drink water before you go to bed and don't be like me.

It's over. Doom has come to this world.

>>51499474
there's OTM and then there's schizo

>>51498614
It's what we've been waiting for.

here is a fake and gay article without evening opening it heres what I bet it mentions
>hydrogen is now more effecient than diesel!
>during a market shortage
>no mention is made regarding the cost of creating the hydrogen fuel cells
Such a retarded technology that assumes an energy surplus to waste on it. Sure they can be a great way to use spare energy from a grid that otherwise would not be used -- like say wind energy that otherwise would be wasted since the poor storage capacity. I hate "EV" memes

>>51499608
You need energy to create hydrogen. You need energy to store hydrogen at -252.87°C. You need energy to pump Hydrogen.

>>51499573
Yeah that's 11 drinks, that'll fuck you up

Shouldn't the whole world be selling and short selling US bonds until it reaches a fair rate? >>51499736
Went ahead and read the article it's only "price effecient" supposedly when diesel is almost $8 a gallon lol
based on angland who is pushing it hard to make their wind turbines in wales profitable.

>>51499608
There is an argument for hydrogen but cost efficiencies over ice isnt one of them. For example, fuel cells are made with palladium, which isnt exactly cheap. I think they're referring to fuel cells having a higher theoretical efficiency than an ice (up to 40% as I recall?)...but yeah.

>>51499573
Based overconsoomer. It's people like you the economy is built on top of.

I started a kotor campaign instead of implementing that trading alert. My backtest of it proved mediocre in exchange for worse sleep.

>>51499815
Sorry -- guess I responded with having read the article next. They are alledging that Hydrogen fuel is also more cost effective per 100 miles worth of fuel at current price of diesel in bongistan. However that has not accounted for the systems to actually run the hydrogen cells My random guestimate:
>EVs will never be cost effective until gasoline is >10$ a gallon

So now that the dust has settled, how much will SPY dump tomorrow?

>>51499859
Oh, yeah thats horse shit. I had a miari for awhile because of work and when I did the math it was cheaper to drive my f350 that that pos. Thats here in cali where is 16 something/kg.

Anywhere else good fucking luck finding h2 stations, its like flying a plane.

>>51499895
Did it already have its fake and gay "nothing is wrong" pump after cpi?

>>51499608

Hydrogen is a terrible choice of energy storage because of corrosion, and cryogenics for consumer use are a non-starter, although workable for industry.

Compressed nat gas (CNG) is probably what you will see immediately taking off in consumer vehicles if oil and gasoline really starts to get expensive. Beyond that, carbon-neutral synthesis of some other hydrogen-carrying chemical like ammonia would work. Less energy efficient than hydrogen, but way easier and cheaper to handle.

Is anyone here positive on the year? I'm not.

https://strawpoll.com/polls/Q0Zp4kMoEZM

>>51498563
It is full of low life scammers, what do you expect?

70% of all UK restaurants are going to close because of increased energy prices.... THE GREAT REST IS COMING

BAHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHhahahahAHahHA

Green week. 10% up by friday

>>51500297
>great reset
The UK is a literal nobody on the global stage. This won't affect anything

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/marthas-vineyard-residents-lament-lack-resources-island-flush-cash-beds
>THERE IS A PROCESS!!! YOU CAN'T JUST SEND ILLEGALS HERE!!!! I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THEM, JUST DON'T SEND THEM HERE!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOO

>>51500359
Absolutely based. Now it's time for us to start sening back the homeless to their state of origin. I'm tired of dealing with these niggers just cause other states can't produce anything and have no jobs for their people

Which ticker will be lower in 1 month?

>>51500271
Nah, most of the people I work with are completely negative (generally in their mid 40's to early 30s non tech career) and they are voting independent the next election

>>51500271
just barely ahead

>>51500398
We need to start beating the homeless until thier lazy asses get jobs.

>>51500167
In the US I just cannot see anything replacing diesel and gas, if you care about carbon (lol) hydrogen is electric with extra steps and natural gas is just as bad, just with worse infrastructure. More likely we just see high prices push down the standard of living and a very slow transition to electric.

>>51499736
>You need energy to store hydrogen at -252.87°C
The phase of a substance depends on more than temperature, just store at high pressure and it remains liquid, no need for constant refrigeration costs.

>>51500297
so what is muchie box inflation going to look like?

How am I supposed to work two jobs and learn to code? What the fuck even is life.

>>51500355
They are like the 6th biggest economy you dumb cunt

>>51500486
The 6th largest economy means nothing when my country is the largest economy in the world. Maybe you guys just need to git gud

>>51500495
they also got passed by the poos lol

>>51498844
The march 2020 bottom was pretty fucking obvious, with the fed outright saying that they would not allow the market to fall any further. Most anons who were here debtmaxxed when that happened

>>51498563
It took me a while to understand what the image was joking about and when I finally understood...

it was funny

>>51500434
>We need to start beating the homeless until thier lazy asses get jobs.
What are they going to do, them working minimum wage jobs won't change their homeless status.

>>51498613
they told you to hold through the QE-induced bullrun of 2020-2021 because they knew you were spooked by red weeks and would panic sell. now QE is over so its stupid to hold through an obvious bear market.

>>51500441
Just put h2 stations in the hood and give every black their own hydrogen capable car and make refills free. Would solve the hood problem quickly

>>51500587
bro i bought the top of the bull market, there's no excuse to have held through the second part of 2021 except quick gains

>>51500297
>UK
>restaurants
Nobody will know they're gone kek

>>51500469
reminder that the majority of life for the average person was shit peasantry. early death, disease, no concept of human rights. dull existence plowing fields for a king or forced labor building pyramids. we are returning to the mean, just like SPY

>the west is actually collapsing
>but its entirely self inflicted
we fucking killed europe over the common cold

>>51500664
Europeans are lazy and don't like to work. They are useless eaters 101. They will be forced to eat bugz and live in pods.

>>51500359
>They had been flown in from Florida at the behest of Gov. Ron DeSantis.
fucking kek

>>51499491
wow ai art is getting so good

>>51500702
I still can't believe spain does the lunch break crap

>our country is run by malicious retards and we're headed into a great depression
what happens next?

>>51500607
We are reaching the trough. I am 50% down on my whole portfolio after doing the same. Could've been worse. All of my companies are coming back. TSLA, CRSP, NVDA, well, let's see about NVDA, but we're still about to get fucking smacked.

It's like a delayed smack. They might cock their hand back and set it there for 6 months while they just sneer at you, and then smack. Still, I can't sell. I won't. I need to prove to myself that I can hold red through bear markets. I need to prove to myself my certainty.

>>51500664
>killed europe over the common cold
europe died at their own hands
europe is getting fucked in the ass by sky rocketing energy prices via the russia-ukraine shit
Trump fucking warned them that they’d get dependent on russia, and they did, due to their delusions of green energy

>>51500398
It would be great if every red state starts bussing all their brown and homeless people to liberal states. Surely the liberal sanctuary states would welcome them.

>>51500810
>great depression
Dont be so dramatic. We are fine.

ANONS??????

There's a glitch right now on the binance dex
It swaps Bitcoin to Ethereum for almost 10 times their prices

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYaiVNMtmpI

>>51500810
>we're headed into a great depression
We double down and all human flourishing ends for generations? But number can still go up, so don't be too upset.

>>51500664
>we fucking killed europe over the common cold
We had to remove orange man and europe has been uninvestable for decades now.

>>51500830
>It would be great if every red state starts bussing all their brown and homeless people to liberal states
Even if red team were based enough to do so (they're not) blue team would just send them back as a bioweapon to the whitest parts of red states. There is no good way to win an exchange of WMDs.

>>51500863
The bond yields peak over a year before things start to get bad. Yields are still shooting way up, which implies the worst of this isn't anywhere close to beginning. It's OVER.

>>51500659
>forced labor building pyramids
All the evidence points to the contrary

>>51500898
we already bus out our homeless, we just don't talk about it

Even though the market keeps shidding and farding bitcoin is still hanging in around 20k, Im impressed. I thought for sure it would have drilled down to 10k by this point

>>51500918
I went to the local mall yesterday. It was packed and people were shopping mad crazy. These normies are still spending like drunk sailors high off the stimulus. They have no idea what is coming.... heh

>>51500918
Kek no. Its not going to be a great depression. Yields are rising because the fed said we are hiking nonstop until a certain point. So people stop buying bonds and will buy when he stops. Yields will come down at that point.

>>51500918
>isn't even close to beginning
>it's over
The sarcasm is retardation at a certain point

I'm going to start a PRTY bros! Who's in?

>>51500943
your mall is still alive? how big is your town?

>>51500977
I live in Los Angeles... Home of the Gays land of the Niggas

>>51500918
>the last time inflation was this bad they needed 10% interest rates to fix it

>>51501007
oh

Eth under Friday low

>>51500951
What do you think happens to yields when Japan starts dumping bonds to save the JPY?

Reminder that when rates rise like this CDs return more than stocks

predict a bottom for INTC

>>51501050
Yields will plummet as soon as the fed says theyre done. Stop worrying. Plus the fed and other government agencies can buy treasuries too. There isnt a limit to fed balance sheet. Not suggesting that but if the fed can do trillions whats a few more trillion. However they wont until rates are done and they will watch.

>>51501058
imagine being able to become a millionaire with CDs in the early 80s, i fucking hate boomers so much

>>51501072
22

>>51500810

>we're headed into a great depression

In the era of modern central banking the economy will do whatever the central planners want it to do. It is not going to just plunge into a depression while they are somehow powerless to prevent this. That will only happen if it is what they want to happen, and they don't because A) we've got a cold war to win vs BRICS and B) that's how you get president Sanders (vp AOC) or MAGA Part 2.

It's really, absurdly, laughably easy to stop a depression. You just print money and hand it out. The only reason they've got you thinking a depression might be coming is because, for the moment, that narrative is useful in curbing inflation expectations. This is a big game of chicken, in order to try to control energy prices.

>>51500271
>-$58,114.53 (-28.08%)
>2-Year Change

I'm going to be under 6 figures if we continue this dump the rest of the year going into the next if we dont enter a bull run soon

>>51501107
Well if it's any consolation inflation is worse now than it was back then so we might see that again

>>51501140
>he only reason they've got you thinking a depression might be coming is becaus
He is thinking depression because hes a midwit who can only piece together markets from what little knowledge he has. 2008, great depression is all he knows. Our economy is overheating, there is too much activity. The exact opposite of a depression with too little activity.

>>51500271
im down like 118 dollars in my stock activities
if i held id be down like 10k

>>51501155
>consolation inflation is worse now than it was back then so we might see that again
No it isnt you retard. In 1980 it hit 14%. We are at 8-9%. Where do you retarded doomers come from?

>>51501155
they will raise rates to borrow, but will never pay SHIT to lend and hold deposits

>mfw I check the private pre-futures that normies don't know about

Short GBP anyone?

>>51501050

The US says "UGHHHH fine, we'll buy some JGBs from you, jeeeez." and then the Yen recovers vs the Dollar.

May or may not be Peak Dollar. It's tricky as yuros will understandably want the same treatment. They're bearing the brunt of the cost of the US's proxy-war-of-choice against Russia, after all.

>>51499608
Isn't the most "efficient" way of producing hydrogen to separate it out of natural gas?

>>51501205
>he doesn't know we changed how we calculate inflation

>>51500863
>>51500898
>>51500943
>>51500951
>>51500960
>>51501012
>>51501103
>>51501140
>>51501175
>>51501205
Hyperstagflation is the black swan that's going to completely annihilate you redditors. It can't be fixed through central bank policy. The only way to unfuck hyperstagflation is by unfucking government policy, but unfortunately our government is filled with fucking incompetent retards.

>>51501238
Yeah I know but swapping home ownership for rental makes more sense. Houses are rolled up into speculative movements. Not an accurate measurement of prices rising.

>>51501264
>Hyper
Into the trash. People pushing for hypermeme anything are just /pol/ tourists hoping for a happening.

Clack. Clack. Clack. Clank. Clack. Clack. Clack

You hear chains. Clacking. The hairs on the back of your spine should be raised at this point. But they aren't. You don't get it yet. What are the chains.

>>51501289
The worst of the supply shocks haven't even happened yet.

>>51501175
You stand out like a sore thumb. There was two quarters of negative GDP. It's nice you have the narrative that Biden is running the strongest economy ever, but it gets very strange when you get angry and defensive over it.

>>51501302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLBrQdkjDX4

>>51501264

>"we're gonna have a depression"
>"no we're not because x"
>"we're gonna have stagflation"

Buddy that's exactly what I was telling you. At high debt levels inflation is the inevitable alternative to depression, and all you have to do is print. There's a more accurate term for it: Financial Repression.

>>51501393
It's going to be a stagflationary depression due to the incompetent handling of the supply shocks.

We are still ahead of the real weakness and destruction of economies. Optimism is bear rally. Nothing is getting better. Oil is only down because world demand dropped not because of more supply

>>51501352
>s running the strongest economy ever
Its not biden doing it. Hes doing everything he can to tank it further. But unemployment isnt rising. So this collapse isnt happening. Its been almost 3 quarters of this. inflation is a pain on corporate earnings and stocks. But its not a game ending change for America. Bobos need to not get so wrapped up in their theories when new data changes.

>>51501422
>But unemployment isnt rising.
This has been a lagging indicator in virtually every recession. Look up news articles from 2007 and 2008. You can see them saying *the exact same* retarded things that you're saying now.

>>51501455
Yeah we are in a worldwide housing crisis but it's still 2007

>>51500943
Maybe they're making money. Who usually goes to malls? Young people who don't pay rent or have a car note. I don't know. I'm not offended.

Tell me when soccer moms are taking out second mortgages en masse.

Can the spy just tank to 320 already so all the burry faggot circle jerkers and fuck off and we can go up again. Literally just drop it down to 320 within one trading day so we can go back up again. It's this slow bleed that is fucking with me the most.

>germany has fallen out of the top 10 stock markets
JUST

>>51501072
Their new CEO seems reaaaallly sniveling and insecure. I'm surprised more people don't respond to it. Maybe they are. $30 resting state by the end of 2023.

>>51501494
It's not just a housing crisis this time: it's fucking everything. Every single sector that absorbed a ton of central bank money is in an enormous bubble.

>>51501455
Right but this isnt a slow down like in 2007. Its overheating. You cant go from overheating to depression in a year unless you lose at stalingrad. You want to repeat old crashes because you are doomer. But you need to play the market you have in front of you, not the one you are larping for. We will see 3rd quarter earnings soon. Good results prove its not going to be a crash.

>>51501526
200 is the bottom. Maybe lower.

>>51501555
is gonna hurt

>>51501554
It's not overheating, it's stagflation. The fact that people still think it's overheating is why it's going to be severely mishandled.

>>51501302
>UFO id
A-are ayy lmao's controlling the market via options chains?

>>51501580
>those retards who think we need to raise taxes to "cool the economy"

>>51500611
>be UK
>conquer half the world in search of spices
>use none of them in their cooking

>>51501580
>stagflation
>Stagflation is an economic state where growth is stagnant and unemployment is high, but high levels of inflation are also present with prices appreciating rapidly
It can be that but so far there isnt unemployment rising to make it that. So far its just supply shortages and people out there all buying up everything.

>>51501603
whats worse british women or british cooking

>>51501412

Contradiction and needlessly confusing. Depressions are by definition deflationary. Stagflation is fine on its own and much more accurate.

"Supply shocks" is a Fed spook also. During the height of COVID disruptions maybe but we are well past that. Just a way to misdirect away from MV=PQ by casting all inflation as cost-push even when that is obv nonsense. They can't have people believing printing causes inflation. Hence they will always try to blame supply. Even if the problem is demand doubling with M2 they'll say supply is the problem for not keeping up with that.

If we get into real shit with China over Taiwan, then ya, you could see real cost-push inflation, but what we're seeing now is 90% monetary demand-pull type.

>>51501623
>So far its just supply shortages
it's mostly inflation, I haven't seen shelves empty in a while

>>51501575

>>51501636
>I haven't seen shelves empty in a while
I see tons of shelves empty. Midwest uni town here and every big box store has half the stuff missing still. Supply chains dont reach every location with equal ability. Target is missing a ton of grain products, Aldi is missing cheese and frozen meals, walmart similar to target.

>>51500918
You sure about that? Seems when the 3 month over takes the 2 year shit instantly hits the fan. Probably not worth watching tho

>>51500611
I'm Irish American this slightly hurt at first, but honestly, senpai. Can we be better? All the Anglos in this thread. We can do better. Fish n chips shops are not becoming of the preeminent dominators of this planet.

>>51501636
someone keeps buying all the small packs of bottled water at my kroger

>>51501657
>paying for bottled water
L m a o

>>51501648
I'd like some actual data and not anecdotes. Like I can post the M2 supply and show how the fed increased the money supply by 38% since 2020. That's a very obvious source of inflation.

And it even perfectly lines up with an increase in rent prices.

>>51498563
Deglobalization will usher in higher prices. Is this correct? When less people work together, in healthy competition, they create less goods, regardless of any incentives, because there are simply less people working with less people.

>>51500863
>past something something predict future something something

>>51501696
the competition we are having with other countries is anything but healthy

>>51501683
>I'd like some actual data and not anecdotes
You brought up the anecdote of not seeing shelves yourself. Seemed you had no problem spouting it as data for your argument.

>rent prices
Rent is a reflection of the comps in a neighborhood. Banks and people in the market went out and bought houses. However your picture doesnt line up. The printing starts in March 2020 and you dont see changes in rent prices until a year later. Just reading your chart. It definitely doesnt line up perfectly. But yes everyone went out and bought things with the money they got.

>>51501710
Yes but now we're not competing with them at all. Re: sanctions, war. Doesn't that have a major influence on trade agreements, efficiency in trade, and ultimately prices to the consumer?

>>51501575
will they actually let it get that low in this day an age? does the fed in 2022 will actually keep their hands out of it and not force a pivot?

>>51501716
Are you genuinely trying to argue that inflation isn't because of the 38% increase in the money supply?

>>51501729
Yes

>>51501683
Anecdotal but I work at a large food processing plant, we make Morningstar slop. Can only run 3 days a week now because we can't get the grains we need as filler

>>51501769
Its money velocity not supply that matters. And it did add inflation, but your chart doesnt line up perfectly like you want it to. Meaning its not simply money supply.

>>51501810
3 days on one shift, even. We used to run 6 days 3 shifts

>>51501575
Why didn't we hit the trendline in the big bad crash of 2000? And why do you now assume we have to hit it? I'll wait for your answer you little genius.

>>51501774
Yes, we're in agreement on that. So what's your solution to the subsequent economic half-collapse?

I say collapse because it never really collapses. It just makes everything very much fucking worse for everyone. I'm talking about a scenario where TINA doesn't exist--"Let's just get through this next ten years without some populist starting a war."

Are you prepared for it?

so what previous time period matches most closely ton our current situation, economically speaking

inb4its different this time

My shoeshiner told me there is a big stock market crash coming what does that mean?

jesus fuck i just slept 16 hrs why didnt you guys wake me up earlier I almost missed pre-futures posting

>>51501821

Ah, yes the old "velocity" argument. Fed shills love that one. Anyways, velocity is mis-measured by not including asset price increases.

Step 1) All the printed money has gone chasing after assets because we gave it to wealthy UST holders
Step 2) Asset prices go up, but we don't count those in CPI or GDP or GNP, hence they are too low
Step 3) Velocity then appears to collapse when mathematically derived from those things because we don't include assets in our calculations
Step 4) "See there's no inflation, because we didn't count the things that were inflating! ;)"

>>51501863
There was a time when everything wasn't plastic made in china. People just consumed less and it was fine.

I don't particularly want to find a solution as I want to start bringing industry and shit back home unironically. We need to go back to investing in our own slave labor and communities.

>>51501821
Velocity and supply are inverse. As the supply increases the velocity decreases. And it's been on a nose dive since 2008 when we started QE

>>51501867
Probably the 20s.
>post war/disease that killed off millions
Its the change from lack of activity of pandemic to sudden surge and missing people in the economy.
>>51501928
>Fed shills love that one
If the fed prints 10 trillion and then puts it in a special account that cant be accessed. Does that contribute to inflation? No, because its like locked supply like crypto coins. Inflation is the measurement of supply and demand. Everyone has wage increases and are working full time and feel the urge to buy everything. Too much demand and not enough supply. Price rise.

>>51501734
Every crash they say it will never happen again.

>>51501656
The UK is exactly how it's supposed to be. Not everything needs to be changed.

https://youtube.com/shorts/596vi4HLNj4?feature=share

>>51501971
>Inflation is the measurement of supply and demand.
You're actually being such a jew right now. Inflation is only the price of the dollar relative to goods. We pumped the dollar 38% in one year. To pretend that its actually supply and not a massive increase in bills makes you such a kike fed shill

>>51501971
your pay is docked this shift for being so fucking stupid you can't even blend in

>>51501928
I'm pretty sure there is just one fed shill that is always on full defense mode for the fed. The other day he actually claimed that the fed can't cause inflation by over printing.

>>51501971
>If the fed prints 10 trillion and then puts it in a special account that cant be accessed. Does that contribute to inflation? No
It's too bad the world isn't made out of retarded hypotheticals, and the Fed and ECB infact did let the printed trillions out into the wild causing giganigga inflation.

>>51501971
dont reason with these retards lol, just post a s*yjack and laugh

>>51501971
Mother fucker the yield curve is inverse. Is your jewish ass going to claim thats because of a supply chain problem with bonds?

>>51501103
Uh huh, and when will they be done? What fed funds rate? They’re saying 4% will be enough to contain CPI of 8%.

>>51501103
>but if the fed can do trillions whats a few more trillion
This is one of the most Jewish things I've ever read. Of course you're trying to do everything you can to blame inflation on anything but the central bank

>>51501140
But printing money and handing it out causes more inflation, retard.

>>51502003
>To pretend that its actually supply and not a massive increase in bills makes you such a kike fed shill
Its both dude. You post the same pictures every time and they prove nothing. Why are the shortages of cars? Because everyone keeps buying it. Where is all that printed money? Did they get it? Do they have any left? No. People are doing fine and buying a ton because they feel like it. This scenario fetish you have of a collapse isnt happening.
>>51502047
The fed is rising rates rapidly. So bond yields are going to climb until he is finished. Once he is finished everyone will buy their bonds and yields will come down. You need to understand the reason for the inversion and what means. You probably dont, you are posting it because you heard its a predictor of every crash. Except its not, its been some but not all. So its not as important as you think once you understnad the reason its climbing.
>>51502076
Dont know. We will see.
>>51502094
What consequence is there for the fed continuing to expand the balance sheet?

>>51501140
>It's really, absurdly, laughably easy to stop a depression. You just print money and hand it out.
POST NOSE
NOW

>>51500518
when will india finally annex the uk?

>>51502112
Fed can’t be finished because inflation is caused by supply. Crushing consumers’ inelastic demand for basic goods (food, shelter, energy) doesn’t work unless you start killing consumers through economic collapse.

>>51501971

With the velocity argument shredded, without missing a beat he immediately pivots to their next favorite: "QE isn't printing!", without addressing the argument at all.

>special account that cant be accessed

Yeah, yeah, bank reserves aren't money. We can all see the M2 chart blowing up, fren. Any USTs the Fed bought were ultimately bought with printed broad money because the Treasury doesn't accept bank reserves as payment (and neither do any non-bank intermediaries). The one (and only) exception to this is a commercial bank selling assets (other than treasuries, because they're net buyers of those) to get cash, to buy USTs, to then sell to the Fed for reserves. Basically like converting some assets in the form of stocks or securities or smth to bank reserves at the fed. Go ahead and find me some evidence the banks are doing that and you can have a point about QE not being technically printing.

>>51502047
I refuse to look at any yield chart without an anime girl on it.

Crypto is crashing. 100 hike?

>>51502233
Powell will enter the stage in a Robin Hood costume and say "Fuck All Y'All" then drop the mic and do a 1000 hike

>>51502003
>doesn't understand percent change

holy newfag lamo

you understand that 4000 to 8000 and 8000 to 16000 are the same proportional increase? the SP increased 6 times in the same time that M2 doubled according to this.

>>51502184
>inelastic demand for basic goods (food, shelter, energy) doesn’t work unless you start killing consumers through economic collapse.
That is what we will see yeah. The soft landing team is that the fed can get inflation down and not have it coupled with high or higher unemployment. The hard landing team is that unemployment rising is unavoidable to get inflation done so go for it and kill off parts of the economy.
>>51502202
>With the velocity argument shredded
You didnt shred anything dude, you havent made an argument. I didnt say QE wasnt printing, I suggested that if the money is removed from the market how can it contribute to demand side of inflation. It didnt happen in this case im asking could it. Mere money supply doesnt cause inflation, the money being spent does.
>>51502233
WSJ said 75 bps already.

>>51502271
>what is fractional reserve lending
>what is money multiplier effect
DURR M2 doubled, therefore S&P500 should have doubled! Because it went up 6x instead of 2x, it's proof that I'm right!!!
(this is you)

>>51502219
yes

>>51502303
I don't know if you are an 90 IQ boomer, but the graph you posted is designed to fool 90 IQ boomers.
M2 grows as much in the 35 year section as the other half.

>>51502289
you are an extremly retarded and annoying poster can you get a trip so I can filter you forever?

>>51502380
Only changs want america to collapse right now. They want a financial crash to undermine America. Anyone who is living in America should be long equities.

>>51502289

I assumed you were referring to fed balance sheet growth not being inflation as shills like to do. If you aren't then good.

In your hypothetical case of money being printed but sitting locked away in a vault then yes, it has no impact on demand of anything hence no measurable inflation and it is debatable if it is really "money" if it can't ever be used. It's an interesting thought experiment but only that, because it's not what happened*. The M2 chart is all money that has gone chasing after goods, services and assets. None of it is locked away and there was plenty of velocity: it was just in the SPY and QQQ but that wasn't measured.

*Reverse repo is one recent exception, as it effectively seems to act like a money sponge that sequesters excess money supply, and indeed it is a tool the Fed is using to fight inflation now that it's leaked into CPI where they can't hide it.

>>51502436
>because it's not what happened*
Correct I know that and agree. But a lot of anons here are saying the only way to get out of this is either some sort of crash or to hike rates to 10% and cause a crash. We've had only 1 instance of high inflation in modern history, to assume thats the only way to fix it is silly.

>>51502433
I don't want the market to crash you are right being long. Just for the wrong reasons.
>pic related you left, me right /smg/ is middle

>>51502534
Reminder that most normalfags are still bullish.

>>51502534
Kek Ill take it.

>>51502565
the line goes up

>>51502534
me on the left

top signal here, where is the bottom signal? the bottom signal is where you see facebook posts talking about how to short a stock

if you didnt go long last week you are gonna have a bad time

>>51502630
haha i have a bad time every week

>>51502565
The problem is that when (you) are a midwit normalfag you probably wouldn't be able to identify who is who.

I'd ask (you) what makes you so special?
Is CNBC promoting the crash bottom at 2000-2500 spx a programm you specialfag would agree with?
But please don't try to answer you will only get angry

>>51502673
>I'd ask (you) what makes you so special?
I do all the strategic forecasting for a huge retail corporation. Get rekt.

it's all over tomorrow

>>51502565
Isn't everyone bearish?

>>51502725
No, everyone I talk to outside of 4chan is still trying to convince me to "buy the dip". Basically the shoeshine boys of society.

Why is everyone bearish again? Futures look green to me

market is going to gigapump today

>>51502630
390 busted. Big banks are still reducing risk. I will unwind some shorts once we re-test june bottom.

>>51502725
as long as you're seeing the word "pivot" anywhere, no, everybody is not bearish

>>51502725
/smg/ isn't normalfags. Most of your average investors believe Cramer and CNBC and think the bottom is in. The bottom isn't in.

"Oh we're doomed" "We are so fucked" "We're fucking broke as hell" Ring any bells? Oh right, they said this same shat in 2008, the late 80's, the late 70's, and 2020.. Smile, toss your money into your retirement plans,brokerage, etc and go on with life. Cause if you've paid attention right after (so to speak) all those doomsday years uh things were flying high as hell.. In other words profit and gains out the ass.

>>51502502

Then idk what position you are arguing. How to stop CPI? 1st I would say, we really can't afford to because we need high CPI, to steal purchasing power from bond holders and give it government.

2nd I would say: to control CPI long term we simply need to control the rate of money supply increase to be less extreme long term. The problem in markets now is that the bond market is freaking out and is demanding that the Fed get CPI to 2% YOY at light speed to reduce their real losses to inflation. This means not just slowing or stopping M2 growth to average it out, but actually shrinking it: outright deflation and big time asset price correction guaranteed. The Bond Market is demanding a depression to save their portfolios, else they're threatening to dump and send rates to the moon. The Fed is obliging them because it doesn't want to have to buy up all those bonds to cap rates like BOJ is having to do.

The only other ways to solve to problem would be a dramatic increase in supply of labor or goods or energy, lowering their real cost. Then you could have CPI and rates normalize without murdering M2 and growth stocks could rip back up. I don't think this is happening any time soon.

>>51502719
>get rekt

You just confirmed you are a normalfag without knowing it and you a little bit angry. Just like I said you would.

>>51502751
Also banks are being required soon to increase their cushions to prevent insolvency.

>futes

>>51502765
You sure are a pretentious mentally ill faggot, aren’t you?

>pre-futures

>>51502765
My job is literally creating numerical forecasts of the state of the economy for the next 18 months, which controls the business actions of one of the largest retail chains in the country. Calling me a normalfag is pretty retarded.

>>51502763
>I don't think this is happening any time soon.
Biden could get oil going. That would bring down a lot of the pain of CPI.

The fed wants more companies behaving like FedEx, it's through this preparatory downsizing and layoffs that they will reduce core CPI.
companies up until now hadn't been doing this because they were ultimately expecting the fed to relent, and after all, with such a tight hiring environment why would they layoff staff.
it's this cross economy capitulation that would A: actually crash equity markets to a long term bottom.
B: ironically give the fed permission to pivot at least to a flat rate, likely elevated compared to what came before, but lower than what they are saying.

the result would be a slow recovery, or else inflation would simply return as it did through the 1970s, indeed structural issues with energy markets (ie geopolitical/ green energy transition) may make that kind of stagflation inneviatable, IMO secular bear is a good bet for the 2020s.

just five minutes for the glorious gap down, are you ready mumus?

>>51502834
>Biden could
Fallacies

>>51502808
>>51502828
calm down I thought we were frens please put the axe down

>>51498683
It’s already predicted silly goy.
>Shemitah

>>51502851
yes

>shmita ends in 2 days

>>51502828
normalfag

>>51500611
Talk about goy slop

Banks are putting in "new rules" for a time of crisis already.

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1571569846541762560

The epic crash is coming. I hope you guys are ready for the biblical depression dipping!

>pre-futures

>>51502873
no
monday after
rosh hashanah is the new year - begins on the 25th, ends 27th

>>51501103
Feds not going to be done retard. Literally the only tool they have left is to completely fck assets. GL slurping goy. Your shekels will line moshe’s pockets

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT

What happens when the majority of people expect a crash to happen and start positioning their stocks to do just that? Even if you say the majority don't think that. What happens when everyone starts going in on puts and bear stocks and there is little to no one on the other end of them?

>>51499367
I think it will bounce around the 200 WMA at 3400-3500.

>>51502834
He already did. How much oil is left in the reserve? Currently releasing a million barrels a day so China can buy it cheap so they dont have to shut down cities as often

>>51502897
>Feds not going to be done retard
I mean yeah they will be eventually.

>>51502925
instead of stocks going to zero, there will be no stocks whatsoever

>futures

>>51502925
Is the melt up in the room with us?

>if everyone thinks we crash, we pump, but if everyone thinks we pump because we crash we will actually crash
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>51502951
Noice.

OOOOOOO

/biz/ is fucking slow as fuck lately.

>>51502980
Who is this guy and what the fuck is his problem?

>>51502834

He's sort-of trying to but no font of oil is going to come online anywhere near quick enough. We are struggling just to get back to normal levels, we don't have the excess capacity to exceed that and have super cheap energy. You are basically describing the shale oil boom, and yeah, that was what set up 10 years of disinflation, mostly on the backs of oil producers eating huge losses. It's pretty much done, at this point.

They'll need to find another oil producer that can increase production. There's basically 1 place that could theoretically produce a lot more oil than they already do: Venezuela. Lots of capital, time, and political change required. Not fast enough for the bond market to be happy, so...

>>51502980
I cant believe I saw this mans asshole and didnt take that as a bearish sign

>>51503011
Nikkie Manacodo and he used to be vegan

>>51502925
They say the market always seeks to hurt the majority but I don't remember where I got that from

Spy to 400 on open
Yup
Not a red day ever again this month

>>51502931
I dont mean the reserve. Get production increasing by working with oil companies. He could also jack up a 2 year tempory oil subsidy or tax for every barrel they produce during those 2 years. Means companies can go ham and not take losses to their earnings even as oil falls.

>>51503017
>Venezuela
Venezuela and Iran are both not set up for US refineries I think. So even if they had full sanctions dropped it wouldnt do anything.

>>51503017
How about people just give bus driver money to make oil rigs in exchange for restructuring debts. Then he just nationalizes the new rigs anyways

>>51503011
He became obese to get views on YT, and did quite well from it. Apart from yknow, the fact he's literally killing himself. But w/e

>>51503051
Biden wants to kill oil to force ev scams. The spr release is just a political stunt to try and stem inflation.

>>51503011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX2RpY_dj9Y

Hmmm the NASD-AKK is dumping firmly. Anyone holding calls (I know one person here in particular) is about to lose a lot of money

>>51503094
Yeah I know. There wont be a solution with biden.

Things are about to get bumpy

>>51503133
>GOOD

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT

>>51503113
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

cam on oil
>bang bang bang
lets score some focken gains

>>51503065

Well that can change given time and money. New refineries can be built. Mexico can do it for us for a price if the dems want to be stubbornly retarded. If Maduro agrees to sell in dollars and not nationalize anything and take a fixed % land-lease profit off the top... then we agree to not regime change his ass, and we'll send our oil companies in there to do the needful. Still, it would take years.

>>51502980
I hate fat people.

>the future
it's over

>futes

SOXL is gonna pump to like $15 this week isn’t it. I’m so angry I didn’t buy

>>51502925
>What happens when everyone starts going in on puts
The vanna slingshot happens to fuck over said put holders. Which is why I start and end every day with cash in my day trading account and pretend my long etf portfolio doesn't exist.

>>51503261
Yah
After the reverse split

>>51503233
yeah I hate trump too

>>51503160
fucking ruined and disgusting
why do women?

>>51503113
Spooky.

1% basis point is coming. Rugpull is coming. SHITYOMOTHER IS NOT A MEME!!!

>>51503381
imagine the smell of that dump

>>51503381
>Jerome decides to remove the condom and get it over with
>600 bps hike to match CPI

>>51502219

Rolling for a morning stinker

>>51503213
The problem with OPEC is they always try to walk it in.

>>51503419
How does she fall over going up
Useless ass 2d bitch

>>51503407
If he did that I would coom so hard it would probably kill me, so I don't recommend he does that.

Only a soxl tranny bakes

>>51503381
As much as I want to see a 1,000bps rate hike, it won't happen. But my god would the crash and burn in markets be a BEAUTIFUL thing to see.

>SOXL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>51503419
Excellent.
>>51503381
I dunno about 100 boop. This Fed isn't too prone to aggressive moves, or I should say, hasn't been since the 2018 fiasco. I think they think steady increases are adequate as it gives them room to keep hiking in the same way for a longer period of time if needed. Maybe.

This is a warning. MONKEY POOP is coming back this winter.

Stock up on chimerix their medication is deadly but the stock did not drop with the market. It traded on it's 52 week average. It's trading sideways. While SIGA crashed back down...

>>51503511
Xi will just round up and kill all the gays. Done deal.

the reddest week awaits

RELI is a good stock. If I were you, I would buy RELI.

>>51503511
Bro, when even SF has a decline in cases you know it's over: https://sf.gov/information/mpx-cases

>>51503540
Indeed it will be with the blackouts

https://youtu.be/U960vuCHt1w

Why are we down only 0.05 percent. I'll feel comfortable only at minus .5% going into 1

Rolling for Jews (CORRECTLY) getting blamed for the next financial crisis

>>51503555
>https://sf.gov/information/mpx-cases

It's no longer a gay disease.... just wait.... this was predicted by wef...

Stocks were bound to be crushed this month, but not for the monkey reasons.. all of this shit is rigged and controlled...

>>51503511
Weird, they stopped reporting monke---pox since it hit over 60,000 cases for a while, what happened? Pharma jews didn't make enough profit over jab stocks?

>>51503286
Shhh. Lot of anons here are going to be in for a rude shock when they find out why you dont hold 3x etfs.

>>51503484
was there any warning when volcker raised rates to 20%? then again inflation was higher and persisted for years before he did that

>>51503586
Hey, whatever gets you through the day. Maybe 1,000 dose orders every month will sustain your SIGA position.

ADHD bros...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-15/adhd-drug-adderall-runs-low-at-cvs-walgreens-as-demand-soars

>>51503601
i don't hold siga
i will buy back in later this month.

>>51503589
FFR went from like 8.5% to 20% between June and December. So is that warning? Eh, sorta?

>>51503608
N-ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

>>51503608
I want an excuse to do adderall but I already ace everything I attempt

>>51503608
I want an excuse to do adderall but I already suck at everything I attempt

>>51503679
Holy based.

>>51503608
how does it feel to take adderall

>>51503727
Salty milk and coins.

>>51503639
Well spoilers: the WEF doesn't get everything right, they don't have total control. You can tell because their supposed plan is waaaaay underperforming in both the deaths and cases departments.

>>51503569
I want to marry that slampig, then get her pregnant so I can watch her tits and belly get bigger.

>>51503741
Spoilers is that WEF is run by goyim and only retards think they have significance outside ted talk for billionaires.

>>51503608

That's because people go to doctors and lie to them. Or the doctor is stupid and just gives it to anyone who says "well I can't focus"

Baking

>>51503727
Its like the limitless pill. It gives me so much energy, like being a child again. Everything is much more vibrant and life becomes easy. You never feel hungry and lose weight too. Its the best, but I don't have ADD so I only got it by paying for it. 30 mg pills are life changing. The with drawls were the worst, I never felt so tired and depressed. Holy fuck it was intense.

>>51503762
>>51503741

They predicted asset price collapse of the 08 bubble before it happened.

>>51503826
>>51503826

>>51503812
If they had predictive powers they wouldnt be saying asset collapse through 2010. It would have been done in 09.

>>51503812
And I predict the next /smg/ will have a Baneposter, a Jerome copypasta poster, someone shilling chinkstocks, digits, and a "beclown" post. Now watch as one of those things comes true and I show my true power to manipulate these threads.

>>51503727
Feels good at first and makes you very productive, but over time it turns you into an emotional zombie and if you can't limit your intake you will nuke your brain and inevitably turn into a super depressed doomer whenever you are off it. It's only worth it for very limited amounts of time where you have to get a lot of shit done

>>51503727
it's like you don't get hungry, are highly caffeinated but not too much, and after a few months you get brain zaps

>>51500271
Currently at -18% but I'm up from-68% in May.

>>51503283
This is an echo chamber. Most normie retards are long and cannot believe JPOW won’t pivot

Everyone wants it to crash so it will pump

>>51502828
You're a wagie Brian, you don't earn money, they give money to you until the company goes belly up. You don't produce anything