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>>51463774
Post hand

It’s not a meme

>>51463787
I'm not what you're accusing me of

>>51463774
People are retarded but you included. Yes coding is over saturated and going to be replaced by open ai. However that’s the fucking pajeets and roasties.

The actual cs people aren’t going anywhere because they’re getting hired to map out the bigger picture and actually need to think. even with open ai, someone needs the recipe/ workflow to let open ai know what to build and with what tools. That requires a high iq typically of someone with injtp or whatever that 4chan Incel introverted personality is. Also it’s not too late to learn

>>51463774
>CS is oversaturated
Wow, retard, and what was your mental gymnastics for the high CS salaries? Companies just pay more and reduce their profits because they want?

>>51464036
I've only ever approached Machine Learning (and Autocoding) from a theoretical side. I know the theory, I just don't know to reorient myself into that niche, and can't seem to learn outside a classroom with deadlines.

>>51464036
Jesus Christ computers are for fags. You’re adding nothing of value to the world. Just some 000 on a screen, nerd.

>>51463774
we both know you wouldnt do the work, thats why you picked the easy job

>>51463774
If you can't learn things by your own initiative you were never gonna make it in CS in the first place.

>>51463774
It is oversaturated like how tinder is oversaturated with men. If you are top 10 percent of developers you will get 90 percent of job offers.

>>51463774
I graduated university with a bachelor's in computer science at the start of 2019 and haven't been able to find a job yet.

>>51465885
You missed a cheat code where big companies hire fresh university graduates with a minimal threshold.
I am not sure how you are going to explain your gap now, you have to cook something about freelance.

>>51464036
This. There will be a massive need for people who:
1. Can see the bigger picture ie the interface between real world and large scale AI systems
2. Know how to create a hybrid AI/human workflow to implement a large scale AI system

Good social skills and leadership skills are a must too.

Lots of free resources out there, good luck!

>>51463806
Post hand

>>51465700
I thought I could just learn react, make a portfolio and make 60k immediately? please tell me it is true


on that note, does anyone actually enjoy coding? staring at screens sucks unless you are playing a game

>>51463774
>I'm simply unable to learn for shit without being in an extremely structured environment.
You were never going to make it anyway. Going to school for code is waste of time because the field moves too fast. You have to teach yourself as part of job.

>>51468496
I can and have taught myself on the job though, that counts as a structured environment.

>>51463774
idiota

>>51464036
ENFP with maxed Wechsler checking in. MBTI horoscope type has only limited correlation, if any, with IQ. Otherwise agree that there's always time to learn and improve his life, no matter how deep in the hole he thinks that he is.

>>51468453
the game is coding retard
actually solving problems and translating them into code, that's what we get off to

>>51463774
Same but I did electrical engineering so there's still hope, seems most of them code anyway

>>51463774
So glad I can learn shit on my own hahahahaha

>>51465885
I know bootcamp normie dummies who probably couldn’t do leetcode problems and barely knew JS got jobs within couple months in 2019

Software is oversaturated with retards and chronically understaffed of competent people. If you think you'd be good at it, it's a great career.

>>51463774
It was me. I fud coding whenever the topic comes up for less competition. Nothing personnel, kid.

>>51475451
this 100%

i didn't realize just how bad average developers are at their job until i joined the workforce. i can do the work of 10 of these morons AND i'm better at public speaking and networking than them. i am absolutely sure in my job safety lmao. anyone who says "software engineering is oversaturated" has never actually sat down and spent a day coding with these guys.

>>51463806
Are you going to post it or not, if you post it I will tell you if you pass

>>51464062
To be fair the high salaries are to make it difficult for startups to compete

>>51475872
sometimes you just gotta pay them according to the local cost of living

>>51463774
You've got to be so foolish OP

>>51463774
You're sure not going to make it in life OP, Devs are building applications easily and getting paid. Who has bewitched you

>>51463774
I'm just fade up... So I never knew, Devs would be able to earn royalties on QAN blockchain when their codes are reused by others.

>>51476915
Go get a fucking life anon, With its Proof randomness, mining through can be possible now like Indian desi.

>>51475710
Yeah it’s insane bros. I’m far more capable than people 2 positions higher than me. It’s a joke

The interview is probably the hardest step in finding a job, I remember back then this small company made me do leetcode shit on hackerrank for a web dev nigger shit job. I was able to get another job through luck and when you're actually in the day to day work, it's easy.

>never went to college
>dont have hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt
>spent a year learning programming by watching youtube videos
>120k in fang company

Youre right better learn something else

>>51463774
This isn’t the 80s and 90s anymore. The barrier to entry to software development is laughably low. Anyone who wants to be a programmer can be. That’s why the market is saturated.

T. Software developer in the 90s and 00’s

>>51464036
so every retard can drive a car. ai isn’t even close to doing that properly... you actually think it will code better than even the worst devs? it will be a tool used to assist in coding is all.

>>51463774
>I can't remember who planted the "codemonkey developer wage slave" prejudice into my head but it sure as hell wasn't my own originally.

I caused this feel lmao. I'm a SWE at a major tech company making 300k and have been fudding CS for years man. I CONSTANTLY post about how shit my profession is just to scare normalfags away from it so wages will remain high

Every industry is over saturated. Just find a niche and be really good at what you do.

>>51468453
>does anyone actually enjoy coding?

i enjoy coding but i like to make synths and games. i don't know how people enjoy webdev shit, its boring as hell.

>>51478155
seeing the FAGMAN salaries/internships offered to cs leetcode zoomies in fucking undergrad has made me seethe uncontrollably. Even the girls are doing it - how emasculating.

I never considered working for such a rotten soulless enterprises though. I would feel less shame buying dog coins.

>>51463774
OP, that was me. You had 700k in your balance of course im going to say codemonkey wage slave if you have 700k and are on a 60k annual salary. May Allah guide you.

I fell for that meme too. I feel like an absolute fucking retard.

how hard is it to get into contract work if you just want a side gig?

>>51478073
Don’t kid yourself. I know a grey beard who was literally the company janitor and they decided to train him on programming in the 80s simply because he was a fat nerd

>>51464036
>That requires a high iq typically of someone with injtp or whatever that 4chan Incel introverted personality is.
LOL @ this cope. Even the average pajeet codemonkey has a higher IQ than the average imageboard cumbrained shitposter. Stop fooling yourself, there are hardly any intelligent people.

>>51480058
I was in a data structures class ina pretty decent private school… one of the Loyolas. 90% of the kids couldn’t figure out that a tree search ran in log time and our scores for the tree and linked list exam was like 60% avg.

You underestimate the retardation of normies. Also, I worked at an internship in webdev… All the normie types worked shit that ai could do. All the place a box in the upper right hand corner… make a request to this and that. The smart people thought of what to do and told them to implement it

>>51478395
Kek

>>51478480
Hey pajeet, If you could be paid while coding the smart contracts in any programming languages like javascript, Golang or Rust with no restrictions, won't you be richer than some bitches?

>>51478073
>>51479326
My dad was a programmer in the 70s.
Got the job because a buddy of his worked there and recommended him to his boss.
Never saw a computer before and never heard of programming before.
Within a month they trained him on the job to write cobol and assembly.
Made $20 an hour.
With inflation that's $96 in today's money.
And dad never went to college.

>>51479326
Fat Devs are richer than poorfags

>>51480345
You dad was a retarded programmer

>>51478480
Web dev are for lazy and senseless devs, gaming is fun

>>51480410
I'm a developer and as well I'm scared of some shits, getting too scared to code on unsecured platforms. Do you know how it feels to loss huge amount of investment with this current inflation rate? Very crazy

>>51480464
Don't be a fucking loser anon, millions of programmers are well motivated to code some bullshits on a quantum-resistant platform securely to fend off future attacks.

>>51477744
Thats really crazy anon, after three failed interviews retards are always strong and wiser to withstand any other.

>>51477027
sounds good anon, the blockchain that's a fucking quantum resistant seems to give the best pussy feeling, and it allows mining on mobile phones for dickheads without the mining cost.

>>51475962
>woooah so hard to live on $100k after rent
holy shit this meme sucks

>>51480464
>>51480509
Learn proper english before accepting shill jobs you failure

Just scored my first cushy programming office job two weeks out of uni. Guy who hired me mentioned in a meeting that there is an IT skill shortage. I can't believe I was ever worried about the oversaturation meme.

>gets outsourced by an Indian
Reee

>>51463774
CS will never be oversatured until degree mills actually begin popping out competent programmers. As it stands, the kinds of programmers entering the workforce now are creating new work for everyone because they're introducing bugs and incapable of meeting delivery targets. Pair that with maintenance work being required for their new programs in addition to the legacy code and you have a recipe for a money printer.

>>51482305
Be the outsourcer

>>51482787
Bugs are created because of a lack of testing and QA

>>51474253
Yeah, exactly. As i got older, vidya became boring and pointless. When i started coding fulltime, when ive got a good project or problem, the same dopamine loop vidya gave me when young kicks in.

>>51482861
And bad programmers dont...?

>>51483201
The programmer is only supposed to be 1 person in a 4 man agile team with a tester, analyst, and operator.

>>51483241
Yikes

>>51463774
writing web applications with your backend and frontend tasks will get replaced by cheap pajeets. this kind of work is necessary but does not require a high level of skill nor problem solution capabilities. It is literally just pasting simple concepts together with stackoverflow implementation code.

>>51482183
you've never heard of taxes?

>>51483241
>t. Doesnt actually work in tech

>>51483453
>can't live on $70k after rent and taxes

>>51483537
>rent and taxes is only 30k bro

>>51483491
I actually work in tech and you're a pseudo loser

>>51478055
What did you learn and what are you working on? I'm learning webdev and react for web3 development, i already know solidity, and I wanna learn motoko for icp next

>>51483621
learn to read

>>51483537
>70k
you must be at least 18 to post on this site

>>51485007
Why are you putting money into a 401k that's going to be inflated away

>>51485887
if his employer matches his deposits it won't be

>>51485007
you have 70k after taxes and literally investing in your retirement fund, which is a luxury you're choosing to do that a lot of people cannot.

So after investing in your 401K, you still have about 70k left over. You spend half of that on rent. You have 35k to spend on literally whatever the hell you want. You probably only need around 6K of groceries a year. You're already investing in your 401K. You have almost 30K of literally just "extra" money you can do whatever the fuck you want with (Save, invest more, throw away on fun shit)

Fuck off

>>51482861
>Bugs are created because of a lack of testing and QA
The other anon is right, you have never worked in real IT.
Real bugs are always created because there is miscommunication or oversight during the design phase. You can write 100 unit tests and run them in your CI/CD - it will not help you if no one knows the real requirements.

>>51475962

every day I thank god at being in the right place at the right time to have a 6 figure income working remote in one of the lower cost of living cities in the US.
I have a net worth of around 250k and still owe 50k on my shitty condo that I got as a cheap spot to live while I waited for the housing market to figure out wtf it's doing
>a year later, the housing market still hasn't conclusively figured out what it's doing
the "wait and see" might be annoying but it's infinitely better than spending 36,0000 a year just to be able to rent in one of the coastal cities, good lord

>>51487204
36,000 a year in the bay area gets you a shithole though.

>>51487638
>>51487204
you need much more to be able to pay off a mortgage on a decent family sized home

>>51485999
>401k
>luxury
do you seriously expect social security to remain solvent after boomers are done raping it? investing in personal retirement is not a luxury in today's economy.

>>51487658

yeah, absolutely, 36k on the low end.
Meanwhile, where I'm at I've put 25k into my mortgage on this condo, which means my balance on the loan is 10 years ahead of where it should be. If I were paying the minimum on this mortgage I wouldn't have this much equity in the place until 2034, and by then I'd have paid 20k in interest.

>>51486279
So you think I'm only talking about the unit testing