/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>51462117
>Screenshot thread
KYS

I curse all communists in the name of Jesus Christ.

>>51462117
capitalism is working as intended
the lazy fuck can open his own shop, risk his own capital, and employ someone else

>>51462155
What shitcoins i need for the blue 10 wheeler in the upper right?

>>51462117
If you want to earn more, then unironically go start your own company.

>>51462117
key it

eliminate white people

>>51462183
It's all yours anon. For free. Just put on these goggles and step into the augmented reality waiting for you!

>>51462117
By making large corporations able to fail and smaller businesses rising out of the ashes. There needs to be a flow for capitalism to truly flourish, without that it will always end in degeneracy.

>>51462117
PPP loan

>>51462117
>capitalism
>fixable
lol

>>51462218
>By making large corporations able to fail and smaller businesses rising out of the ashes
In other words: Socialism.

>>51462117
Hope he gets fired and replaced with one of the many many destitute drones willing to work for his pre-raise wage

>>51462272
Or you could just, you know, make them pay as much taxes as small businesses.

>>51462155
a new era of shitposting is upon us

>>51462279
why? why do you want him to get fired? because he wants a liveable wage? because he's calling out his boss? why do you want this guy to lose at life? are you just a nasty hateful person in life or are you another underage and/or mentally underage posting troll shit for de lulz?

>>51462272
I'll take socialism without the government interference.

>>51462300
Bro, you don't even know

>>51462233

>>51462290
Small businesses don't have as much clout on legislators as Big Businesses. It's a little something called Capitalism. One dollar one vote.

>>51462319
>socialism without the government interference
aka socialism

>>51462351
The US is a mix between socialism and capitalism, no matter however muh capitalism people want to be. Removing "Too big to fail," is good enough.

>>51462175
I agree. That cheapskate of an owner can buy cheap labor, get shitty results, cry about how "nobody wants to work anymore", and lose then business from dissatisfied customers. Free market, right?

>>51462117
Not my problem

>>51462290
This.
Just flat tax rate.
For everyone.
Zero exceptions.
Even churches pay

>>51462419
He can and will do that, and every other business will do the same. When your job can be done by any random jeet drone you have no cards to play.

>>51462384
>The US is a mix...
Lol, no. The US legal system defines and defends private ownership of the nation's productive infrastructure (aka 'Capital'). But nice try, Shlomo.

>>51462209
now this is pod racing

>>51462117
Oy vey! You don't!

>>51462539
Public ownership is just another word for private ownership.

>>51462190
this but unironically

>>51462625
Only in your dreams, Shlomo.

>>51462117
>How the fuck do we fix capitalism?
Just give more power to your government and vote harder, obviously. Only the one true god, the state, can control the evil bourgeois.

Capitalism only exists because of Americans

>>51462724
>your government
aka capitalists

>>51462317
>Anarcho Communist sympathizer calling someone else cruel
Ahaha, maybe get a better paying job that you can do at home with no experience.

>>51462331
what program is this?

>>51462789
Feeling nice so I'll spoonfeed
https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/
Hope you have a GPU with minimum 4 gigs a VRAM, far preferably 8+

>>51462810
thanks

>>51462117

I've noticed you Leftists always bitch about capitalism, but you can never actually explain what it even is. "It's when greedy rich people steal from poor people bro!!!". This is literally every system ever, and it always will be.

Capitalism is simply a system in which property and the means of production are owned by individuals, whom organize and provide labor with capital to produce goods and services. Yes, it's that simple.

Socialism is a system in which laborers own and control the means of production as a group, instead of the individual that originally provided the capital and owned the property.

There are different types of capitalism and there are different types of socialism. It's not a catch all term. But, small minded retards, that lack the ability of critical thinking, only know buzzwords and 1-liners.

>>51462829
Have fun friend, there are other models you can drop in as well if you want to make more animu shit or whatever, development is extremely active around Stable Diffusion right now

Prompt:
>A man opening Pandora's box and looking inside like a fucking moron

Half of the problems people have with "capitalism" are really just problems with keynesian economics, aka the bullshit ponzinomics system we live under. Stop the infinite growth infinite money printing infinite inflating of assets and most of the reasons why people hate "capitalism" will vanish overnight.

why the fuck should i go through the stress and liability of owning a business just to give YOU The proceeds. fuck you.

>>51462858
Capitalism is Factorio. Socialism is Minecraft

>>51462885
is this loss?

>don't get a car
>can now raise employee wages by another cent
Wooow

>>51463090
lol
Been playing with the same prompt, ended up with these

There's no
>we
Capitalism is a fantasy like memelines (borders).
>it ain't broke
You are.

>>51462117
by fixing the government first

>>51462117
go back

>>51462858
most of them actually drop being a leftist when they leave uni and start working and paying tax
my sister started earning £50k out of uni and has suddenly stopped her commie tirades at family gatherings

>>51462209
Seems like you don't want an economy at all.

>be useless
>get job being useless
>get paid for being useless
sounds like a privilege!

>>51462117
Get another job then?
It's not capitalism's fault you're too dumb to move. Plus why begrudge him the rewards of his risk? Classic envy of the unachievers. He may have worked his ass off and started a business that keeps mouth breathing toads like you from starving to death, and after 20 years of this finally making enough to see some rewards for all of that

But you can't see that because you have no idea what it takes to succeed, as it's impossible for someone of your limited abilities and ambition.

>>51462117
capitalism is broken and exploitative
communism only works on paper, since it requires humans to not have emotions like greed
basically there is no system that will work as long as there are humans who want to exploit it to get more than their fair share out of it and sadly there are many such humans because humans are cunts
so nothing you can do except hoping humans will evolve away from being this pathetic in few 1000 years

>>51462117
I got a 3% raise in February, a 4% raise in June, and a 13% raise with a promotion in August. Pretty comfy.

Jelly wagies really piss me off.
This useless scum would scratch my car, just because they can't afford that.
This retards will never understand that capitalism is all about risk. Even if you're successful there's a the risk factor, if something goes wrong for them they can simply get another worthless wagie job, for entrepreneurs if things go wrong they could lose everything.

>>51463921
They never will because failing it's part of evolution, do you really expect people to build a system where they get everything right always? Silly socialist talking points.

Capitalism is not working because we don't want things to die out and care for themselves, instead we fuck with wages and emplyment to help the poor and save rich bankers and businesses "too big to fail" when they carry shit models of production because we fear for the economy to crash and increase unemployment.

A free market like any ecological system requires people to fail until they get it right, if you provide them with intervention they build an economy over that intervention based on increasing debt until you're going bankrupt and them with you.

>>51463990
capitalism will never work for everyone. the talented will flourish, but how about the autists and the incompetent? do they deserve to live in filth and eat shit just because they didn't win the mental genetic lottery?
luckely there is hope, AI is our ticket out of this.
We are just decades away from robots being able to do enough work where UBI is possible so bewing a wage slave will become voluntary.
There will still be ultra rich people and shit but at least you will now longer have to waste a third of your lifespan working for goldstein

>>51462117
at least he's only spending it on toys, OP

>>51462331
Why is your SD generating such crap pics? It's like you're on dalle1 or something. Are you using euler-a?

Cope wagie

>>51464052
>do they deserve to live in filth and eat shit just because they didn't win the mental genetic lottery?
The incapable gets filtered since the beginning of fucking life on earth and you have the audacity to put evolution itself on a moral plane?
There's no great creator, your existence is ruled by trial and error that's how you developed things without intelligent design.
>AI is our ticket out of this
AI is not retarded, if anything it's going to obsess over efficiency or get fucked like any self-organizing system.

>>51463967
The problem is that ((something)) is injecting into the minds of normies that constant hard but relatively unrisky work is enough to "make it". People don't realize that reward is ALWAYS correlated to risk.

I firmly believe that we need a religion that allows people to live a shitty safe life of quiet.

>>51462168
Based

>>51464097
My SD produces crap no matter what I do. Can you share the settings and which model to use?

>>51464133
>single mothers
>single mothers, Japan

>>51462724
I hate both government and corporations.
Both are jewish What economic system has neither?

>>51462117
>1pbti

>>51462117
capitalism works
poor people don't

>>51462175
>workers never make enough money to acquire the capital required
>the bossman simply inherited his starting capital

>>51462117
>How the fuck do we fix capitalism?
absolish the fed
/thread

>>51464299
>(grow)spend 20's working, saving and building credit
>(consolidate)create a business plan that incorporates your previous work experience and research
>(network)present business plan to family and bank
>(execute)create a business using the banks investment
>If you fail your business you declare bankruptcy
>if you succeed then you have room to grow
There you go retard, I just showed you how to create a business without needed a giant chunk of your own capital. Poor people are filled with excuses and hot air. If you're in your 20s and 30s and you're not taking risks then you've either fallen for a trap (toxic relationship, drugs, addiction to your own misery) or you're legit too fucking stupid and filled with fear to come up with a plan and execute it.

>>51464368
It’s hard to build wealth when you’re poor as shit and most of your income is going towards family and bills. Not everyone has the luxury of leeching off boomer parents or a good education anon. Some people are just dealt a shitty card and are fucked from childhood

>>51464368
>(die)spend 20's working and losing every penny to inflation and taking care of family
>(dream) can aquire as much knowledge as one wants but will never have capital to apply it
>(network) family is poor bank doesn't loan to poors
>(suicide) economic mobility is a myth
The bossman never has to do any of those steps. Daddy networked for him, his fraternity knows the right people, he inherited his capital.

If making a business and becoming super rich without working, then why don't any of these retards do it?

>>51464679
>rich people are magic and make money out of nothing
>my centralized currency getting fucked is the rich fault
Based retard.

>>51462117
You spend time trying to find the best deal on something you spend money on, but your employer isn’t allowed to?

If you think you can do better than he can, start a business and do it yourself.
At the dry least, negotiate your salary to something that doesn’t turn you into a jealous little bitch every time you see someone with a nice car.

>>51462117
Based owner dabbing on wagies

>>51464689
Because if they acknowledge they don't have any real control over their economic situation they'd either have to man up and revolt or accept clownworld. It's easier in the moment and immediately satisfactory to shitpost instead even though the soul rots.

>>51464668
>>51464679
yes, I understand that the richer you are the more steps you're able to skip but it doesnt make it impossible. Obviously there are people who are in horrible positions that they are incapable of progressing but to assume that theyre the rule and not the exception is just being fucking dense. Most people are capable of succeeding but they dont not because of societal limitations or impassable externalities but because of boundaries set by their own self.

>>51464737
Way to avoid the context of that pic.

>>51463967
Let's keep raising interest rates. Shall we. I mean. Risk always pays off.

>>51464759
It's just cope, 21% of rich people get inheritance unlike what the faggot tells you.

>>51462117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iMF4OVv36g

>>51462117
Same way you fix the other side of the jewish coin, Communism. You end it.

> About Capitalism
https://files.catbox.moe/t0pn97.webm

> "It's NOT Capitalism!"
https://files.catbox.moe/3j3pl8.webm

> The Total Annihilation of Stefan Molyneux
https://files.catbox.moe/8kc317.webm

> Comment to "The Total Annihilation of Stefan Molyneux"
https://files.catbox.moe/9ppk8s.webm

> The Decapitation of a Two Headed Beast
https://files.catbox.moe/qi15vn.webm

>>51462858
you have a lot of research to do, midwit

I just have to say that there's a big reason as to why I'll never be a misanthrope.

Sometimes it's my job to help some fucking idiot loser(s) realize that their shit hand isn't as shitty as they think it is and then guide them to success. I firmly believe that 70% of people are capable of great things, like at least a 25% across-the-board improvement in their life.

But if youre one of the few that have no arms and got raped as a kid and are still currently being raped then yeah your life sucks and too bad, you'll probably never make it unless you buy BTC and BBBY

Holy shit. This thread has the dumbest comments I've read in biz this year.
One retard says that capitalism is all about risk, which is completely retarded. If a company fails the owners still have their own capital safe.
Only the really small guys are risking something, because they're lead to believe that Elon Musk is taking risks. If they fail, they will become a wagie, which most people already are. If they accumulate debt, they will probably never have to pay, most governments have their back. Government is the fundamental part of capitalism.

>>51464175
You are talking about communism.

>>51462858
> Socialism is a system in which laborers own and control the means of production as a group, instead of the individual that originally provided the capital and owned the property.

Is that what they have in Europe?lmao. You retard commies act like rules can’t be broken by the rule makers

>>51464368
You’re arguing with retard commies who have been brainwashed into victimization(race, gender, income inequality, antireligion) for 20-30 years and an education system permanently fixated on it.

>>51462419
I’ve worked for a couple of companies who had a perpetual line of workers going in and out the door, but the service they provided was so critical they were willing to keep losing employees and stacking cash.

>>51462117
>I deserve what someone else has but I dont want to put in the work or risk for it!

>>51462501
Statist cuck

>>51464737
Uh huh, you revolted. You even killed all the leaders. In Minecraft. Now what? You new world order doesn’t need leadership? You know all the supply chains and how to seemlessly connect them from china to cargo to ports to trucks to last mile? Why do I think you know can barely do your Velcro shoelaces? Kys

>>51464175
Kys its 100 bucks to file a corporation you dog slave nigger. Ever consider that you hate losing?

>>51462775
typical projection from a gaslighting kyke

>>51464668
A real business can be started for around 2k. Literally every business that I work with was started by absolute goon broke people.

>>51465441
>Literally every business that I work with was started by absolute goon broke people.
This is what tards dont understand. You can just choose to create something for not as expensive as you think. Also, if you don't get the capital gains you expected from it you still get growth and you can try again, better than fucking creating zero value daytrading.

>>51462117
Not my problem

>>51465748
You can literally buy a lawn mower and start a lawn mowing business and scale it up to a full scale landscaping business with 100 Mexicans working under you. It takes time and effort which these tards don't have in them.

>>51465397
It's incredible how dumb commie sympathizers are. They really think communism will bring power to the workers when it has been shown repeatedly that it concentrates all the power at the top. It'd literally be even worse than corporatism that's killing the middle class right now.

>>51464368
Nah bro, I'd rather watch corpo funded commie propaganda on netflix.

>>51462209
based racist

>>51462168
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSxegwiYLEQ

>>51462331
text in my dreams is just like text in ai art. makes me wonder if my dreams are ai generated.

>>51462317
because he's a toxic person. fuck him.

>>51465798
you can find a business doing well, copy a roadmap, and just do one aspect of their business in a different way for a different demographic and you've got a business.

You wont ever be an elon musk but sorry you spent half your life playing video games, you have to settle for a company that only makes mid to high six-figures.

it just makes me sad how insanely apathetic people are becoming. just be a wagie and doomscroll for the rest of your life.

>>51465384
>if you work harder you get more money
kek

>>51462117
Sound money not controlled by banks and corrupt politicians. Gradual phase out of the corporate business form. An end to government subsidy and job entrance barriers. Hard limits on taxes. That should do it.

>>51462117
then become an you owner you stupid jealous wage cuck faggot.

>>51465313
>If a company fails the owners still have their own capital safe.
The problem is when a company fails so bad (in debt) that by all measures personal capital should be fair game, but isn't. So you have massive black holes where debt was taken on by an entity that no longer exists.

This happening several times should make debt harder to get but MMT.

>>51462168
Communism and Jesus are both Jewish.

>>51463921
>basically there is no system that will work
National socialism worked pretty well.

>>51463990
Tell the Government to pay people a living salary, it's not that hard.
Maybe stop spending trillions of USD to pipe bomb Afghanistan.

>>51464133
It's three ((())) not two, retard.

>>51466855
National Socialist economic policies changed a lot between coming to power and losing the war. People like to talk about it as if it was some static thing, but it wasn't.

>>51464368
Trust fund kids are the worst.
Yeah let me take my million dollars and build a fucking company from the ground up.
Fucking nonce.

>>51462331
nigga you suck at this

>>51464368
>>(network)present business plan to family
I don't have a family and what few members are still alive don't have money to loan me, assuming they even would know who I am.

>>51464759
>but it doesnt make it impossible.
NO ONE FUCKING SAID IT WAD IMPOSSIBLE, RETARD.

>>51464959
>Sometimes it's my job to help
I 100 percent bet you barely, rarely, if ever help people and when you do you try to squeeze some reward or compensation out of it.
Fucking kike fink.

>>51466813
Jesus was an Aryan. Christianity created by Sanhedrin and traitorous disciples was judaism

>>51464162
I use SD1.4 Full EMA, single sample. Playing with the ddim_steps value will get you different results, also, doing more iterations sometimes you find a divergent idea, take that and evolve it further.

>>51465313
>communism
Completely Jewish, faggot.
Lowest IQ site.

>>51464959
bro what the fuck is this image, it's fucking with me. was this generated entirely or is it just a normal starting image that's been downsampled?

>>51462117
Keeping wages low during inflation prevents hyperinflation.
Thank the adoption of fiat currency issued by central banks, which is a Marxist idea anyway.

>>51462117
Wagies seething and I don’t even own a car and am happy for the guy! HAHHAHA life of a slave.

>>51467031
Hey you stupid fucking nigger, I'm on your side. You don't have to react with anger everytime you don't like or understand something. That's something a literal child does.

You've misunderstood greatly and I really hope you're just some bad actor spreading hate as opposed to some blithering schizo

>WAGIE MAD! LMAO
>HE SHOULD DO SOMETHING WITH HIS LIFE OTHER THAN COOPERATING WITH HIS EMPLOYER IF HE WANTS TO GET AHEAD! LOL!
Yeah. That's the problem. It's his employer's problem in this specific case, and it's everyone's problem more broadly when we've reached a status quo where most people should really be doing something other than what they're currently doing if they want anything good to come of it. That's not a stable status quo. Chaos awaits.

>>51463033
Yup this has been the predominant mentality of business owners for the last 50 years. You are the reason the world is going down in flames and your pride and ego won't allow you to see it. How well stocked is your bunker?

>>51467078
"immanentizing the eschaton" is an inside joke of robert anton wilson's, based on some retard writing about heaven on earth.
pic looks like it's been heavily photoshopped to make her skin look clear. i've seen an original before and i don't remember it looking that messed up.

>>51467238
This. At certain points society realizes the "social contract" is completely broken and they just start killing their bosses and burning down their workplaces.

>>51467238
Or just don’t be a stupid wagie and keep buying into the system lmao
T. Joe Biden sniffing coke

>>51462117
The purpose of a company is to make money for its owners. Your financial security is not their responsibility. You work for your own interest.

>>51462272
What? Government picking the winners and preventing bad businesses and individuals from failing is socialism. Letting the bad ones fail is free market capitalism.

>>51467677
>Government picking the winners and preventing bad businesses and individuals from failing is socialism.
Imagine being this retarded.

>>51462209
The only good comment in this thread

>2016+6
>faggots in this board dont know already that theres no distiction between government and corporations

>>51462501
>Churches disappearing
>Make more churches disappear, that will help with this whole degenerate society thing.
>Oh nooo

>>51463918
Yeah it takes a slave mentality to succeed in modern times. And the slaves love to abuse slaves beneath them. You are the house nigger for the Jews that run the world. They love you for turning your back on your fellow man to be addicted to sheckles like they are.
Hope you got a well stocked bunker for when shit goes down.

>>51467046
Take your meds and go back to pol. There is no point in debating further with someone that thinks communism is a jewish conspiracy.

>>51465798
I love seeing money worshippers try to justify why the general population doesn't share their greed with each passing day. It's a temper tantrum because the only way they have status is for the people "beneath" them to keep playing in the system that gives them said status. Except most people don't share their greed. Very entertaining for me to witness this. Here's a line they really love "money is stupid"
Seethe losers you had decades to pay your employees a decent wage.

>>51462117
It’s working as intended

>>51462117
Work for yourself and live within your means. Even if that means being poor.
If you are too stupid to work for yourself, work for a man who works for himself.
If you have a 'manager', you are being 'managed' for the profit of some jew.

>>51467796
That's a woman

>>51462168
>stop criticizing my corrupt dystopia, or you're a commie

i cant wait until there's a civil war just so i can finally watch you traitors who sold out this country get their throats slit in public

>>51462117
>owner takes all the risk running a business and is lucky to have a reward for himself at the end of it
>Why don't I, doing whatever shitheel job i have, have a ferrari

>>51463990
So many business that are incompetently run never go out of business. I see it all the time. Those business just continue to make money simply because customers have no choice.

You don't. Let the market work. All of the ills you think are due to a free market are actually due to state cronyism. The rich don't work against the state, they work with it.

>>51468893
Or they keep borrowing money

>anti-work
>1pbtid
>80% vatnick drivel
Big yikes.

>>51468859
He's not asking for a Ferrari he's asking for a decent raise. But the owner is probably so leveraged in debt from buying his new shiny goy toy he needs the $1 more he would have gave out in a raise to put gas in it.
Many such cases.

>>51462117
We don't. As it turns out, capitalism was always just feudalism with a slightly longer leash and motivational posters plastered around to make nigger cattle feel like capitalism benefits them.

>>51462155
We should ban AI art. Yes, I am a kekmission shitposter. I used to have so much keks but now I am barely get any work. This is unfair. If this is funny to you just wait until AI takes YOUR job. Then you will start to protest but it will be too late. See you on the street begging for food idiots.

>>51468974

You don't ask for a raise, you demand a raise. If you're worth it you'll get it. If you aren't, or your boss is retarded, you won't, and you'll go get a bigger raise at another job. If you want your boss' income, you start your own rival business. If you can't do any of these things, accept the fact that you're just human slime and deserve a bottom rung income.

>>51468935
Sign should read "kill a commie for christ so the jews/jesuits in control of both sides can gain further power through dividing you"

>>51464052
>capitalism will never work for everyone
That's nature you retarded commie

>>51467677
We’ll if the company doesn’t care about me and my needs why should I care about the company ?

>>51462117
Well, it is his money. Why does an unskilled laborer feel entitled to more than what's in his consensual employment contract?

Having said that, I would leave. Wasting your life to make your boss's dreams come true is just sad. But most people have slave mentality, it's literally ingrained in their DNA and they can't imagine life without some boss telling them what to do in exchange for money.

>>51469085
So you finally acknowledge that "just work harder and you'll be successful" is just a lie that the overlords tell the serfs to extract more profit for themselves. After all, "nature" dictates that there will always be a social totem pole of the haves and the have-nots, right?

I think the majority have realized this by now, which is why "quiet quitting" is becoming the norm.

>>51469052
It's all crashing. You're chest puffing is becoming more laughable by the day. How will you function in a world of not competing against your fellow man?
You will be bottom rung. And you seethe because you know this.

>>51469179
>So you finally acknowledge that "just work harder and you'll be successful" is just a lie
It wasn't always a lie though, and certainly isn't a fact of capitalism. It's like trying to tout the continued existence of Too Big To Fail Banks as if that's not a sign of government corruption more than anything else.
However the people who denounce all personal responsibility and ramble about 'capitalism' are usually the bottom tier retards anyway, like the kid from the antiwork video complaining about dog walking for 10 hours a week

>>51462117
Shut the fuck up and get back to work, wagie.

>>51469024
Cope

>>51462117
There's still full employment. So walk or strike, the employer will almost certainly bend the knee and if not, plenty of jobs.

>>51462319
Its like communism without marxism,

>>51465320

Europe isn't Socialist and I never claimed it was.

>You retard commies

I'm not a Communist or Socialist.

>You retard

Ad Hominem, doesn't address the point made. Opinion discarded.

>>51464832

>you have a lot of research to do, midwit

Ad Hominem, doesn't address the point made. Opinion discarded.

>>51469052
thanks, coach

>>51462117
>government exists (monopoly of decision making, law enforcement, justice, taxation/theft, violence)
>central bank exists
>legal tender laws exist

>capitalism

>>51469181
Low iq. Competition is everything, if you can't do anything hard then you truly are worthless.

>>51469268
It was always the lie.
>personal responsibility
i.e consoom like a good goy so you can pay interest on the things we constantly advertise and tell you through media that you need, even if you can't afford them.

>>51462117
>the government prints money out of thin air which make it so everyone have to fight against inflation through a variety of hustles and saving money is almost impossible
>yeah it's the fault of capitalism

>>51469809
I can see the commie can't comprehend what personal responsibility means

>>51462117
is there literally any job that's as good as the
>"small loan of a million dollars invested into a broken housing market" card
almost as if millenials are totally assraped if they aren't some coding genius

>>51464368
>>(network)present business plan to family and bank
>>(execute)create a business using the banks investment
You've never actually been an SBO have you?
The fact that you mentioned family is so ludicrous. Family is the worst thinktank because they are going to be happy with your idea no matter what.
Banks don't give you loans based on feel good business plans.
The reality is that businesses exploited their family's income status.
And here's the thing. I wouldn't even be made if they would actually do good things. Billionaires and millionaires don't give a shit about their community. Amazon makes horrible subversive products like DEM RANGZ. If they were making stuff like the original LotR I would be happy because it's quality and improving everything about the world.

>>51462117
>How the fuck do we fix capitalism?
1. Get off Rebbit
2. You can't fix it. It's broken by design, you have to find your own way to manipulate or continue to be manipulated.

>>51469024
>ai takes your job
the job of the bag holder?

>taxed at 50%
>capitalism

>>51470110
>in my opinion personal responsibility means not participating in the economy
Sounds like something a communist would think

>>51470511
kek not that either
Let me ask, are you commie enough that you think any employment is exploitation?

>>51470206
Work so that your kids get a better life, wealth don't have to be built in a generation

>>51462317
because the worthless wagie thinks his own lack of skills and value means that others, who have skill and value -- Should feel so bad for him (They shouldn't, he is a pussy ass faggot) that even having nice things should be obvious moral trespass. Fuck you wagie, go sweep my warehouse. Until you can learn to be like me and make money, you get exactly what you fucking deserve.

>>51470522
I'm all ears, Ivan. Also, a communist calling others communist doesn't really fool anyone into thinking you're a capitalist.

>>51470567
So we went from
>just start your own business and get wealthy
to
>just keep wage slaving away and storing money for your kids who will likely be dipshits sent straight into the zogrinder, and MAYBE, just MAYBE they will use your wealth to get richer
What the fuck type of rationality is this?

This is such a gen-x mentality. It is not the 1980s anymore.
In case you haven't noticed all the wealth that you could store is being sucked into a 10~ major corporations.
>kids
No one is having kids anymore because of propaganda, tinder, and unrealistic expectations set by a matriarchy.
90% of women are looking for 5% of men.
That isn't sustainable, we live in an empire of shit.

Usually /biz/ is quite knowledgeable outside of shitcoin thread but when it's crabing and there's a "communism vs capitalism" thread, it's full of teens who heard basic arguments.

>>51470341
>fed pays Blackrock's CEO to decide how to spend hundred of billions they just printed
>capitalism
I wish I was joking.

>>51470626
>I'm all ears, Ivan
More like all nose, moshe

>>51470522
>are you commie enough that you think any employment is exploitation?
Not a commie but it often is.
But most wageslaves are unimaginative and risk averse so maybe that's not such a bad deal for them

>>51464826
based

>>51470856
>claims to love capitalism
>hates the masters of capitalism; the jews
You're unraveling, Ivan.

>>51470863
>But most wageslaves are unimaginative and risk averse so maybe that's not such a bad deal for them
Exactly. A wageslave is a specific type of person I've found. When you propose to them anything but wage slaving as a way to make money, they outright reject it as being impossible. You're either a wage slave or a trust fund baby in their eyes.
Like you say these people are risk averse and unimaginative, they might complain about their job but they'll spend decades their before ever even looking for a new one. And not everyone can start a business, those wage slaves are needed

>>51469181

>a world of not competing against your fellow man

Lmao what? Where is that happening. Even on a national level, any country that stops being competitive gets eventually beaten by countries that are. Evolution is competition.

>>51470880
Masters of subversion and nepotism

>>51470901
Yes, capitalism.

>>51470831

>waltzes in with a radical centrist platitude
>contributes nothing

Thanks, r/libertarianism!

>>51470723
>So we went from
I'm the the one you were discussing with initially. If you work hard and smartly you might not become a millionaire but you'll be better off and you'll be able to set your son to become a millionaire.

The alternative is everyone makes the same and the only mean to get any amount of power is to get a place in the government, then you'll work hard and get the bare minimum to survive.

>No one is having kids anymore because of propaganda, tinder, and unrealistic expectations set by a matriarchy.
Skill issue, most normies have kids.

>>51470907
The same way Too Big To Fail is, sure. Not like definitions matter when discussing with commies

>>51470888

I was almost caught in this trap, and then went ahead and gave job hunting a go even though my current one was comfortable enough. There was so much better out there. And then I thought, why the hell are my coworkers (some of whom are objectively harder working than me) still sitting in that trap? To this day, years later, they're still there, getting underpaid.

If you can break the matrix and realize you can negotiate anything you want life feels a lot more liberating. It's especially absurd when people like Americans claim their tutorial mode economy is difficult to navigate. Try a crony authoritarian shithole with no economy to speak of, places where a small hovel and a tiny car are considered luxurious.

>>51470932
>this thing that currently exists under, and because of capitalism, is not actually capitalism
Tell us more, Ivan.

>>51464133
Do Japanese people seriously use meth? I'm assuming they don't smoke or inject it though like Amerisharts. Do they have a casual meth snorting problem?

>>51470922
>If you work hard and smartly you might not become a millionaire
The cracks have been clearly visible in the capitalist lie for quite a while now. It's sad to watch "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" defend it when even they haven't achieved it yet. Americans are so washed it's unreal.

>>51470964

>Commie retard
>pretending like anyone else is a Russiaboo

Shut the fuck up you stupid maggot

>>51470964
>and because of
Time to revise the history books, we must let academia know that corruption didn't exist until a socialist created the term 'capitalism' to otherize anybody that wasn't with them

>>51470964
I've yet to met any far leftist able to define capitalism at all, like is just a boogeyman buzzword you give to any system that's not your specific brand of fictional utopia

>>51466885
Did those guys die?

>>51470922
>work hard and smart
more boomer gaslighting time for you to fuck off and die already.

>>51471000

It's a free market. They think "being rich" is a man-made, proactively instituted economic paradigm. No, it's just what happens in normal free market economies.

Ironically enough, the worst income stratification and wealth entrenchment occurs in """"""""""""""""socialist"""""""""""""" presenting states and countries. These fags are not aware of the fact that they're supporting the ultimate monopoly.

>>51470992
I accept your concession.

>>51470993
Corruption and capitalism go hand in hand.

>>51471000
Oh, so we're not currently in capitalism?

>>51471050
>socialism is worse because...it just is okay!!
Thanks Ivan, that was really funny.

>>51471118

>>>51470992 (You)
>I accept your concession.

>>>51470993
>Corruption and capitalism go hand in hand.

>>>51471000
>Oh, so we're not currently in capitalism?

>>>51471050 (You)
>>socialism is worse because...it just is okay!!
>Thanks Ivan, that was really funny.

>>51469052
>If you aren't, or your boss is retarded, you won't, you'll go get a bigger raise at another job.

that's literally 90% of businesses, managers/owners are either incapable of or refuse to acknowledge good or even key personnel in their business operations. when the competent people leave for better pay at other places, the boss of the place leaves the leftover work to the remaining employees, rarely hiring a similarly competent replacement. the resulting overwork creates high turnover rate and these retarded business owners go and complain "no one wants to work anymore".

i've been in this position before at the key personnel. boss refused to pay me more despite increase in responsibilities. i went to another place. 7-8 months later i hear my manager left to another place, because the guy who overhauled the operations dept and onboarded new hires for 2 years (me) left and no one knew how anything worked anymore.

> If you want your boss' income, you start your own rival business.

non-compete clause in contracts.

>>51470953
>If you can break the matrix and realize you can negotiate anything you want life feels a lot more liberating.

that only really works once you have 5 years+ experience, and if your labor market in your particular industry sector isn't oversaturated by that point OR outsourced. guess how many american jobs are oversaturated or outsourced?

>>51468814
The problem is that the antiwork movement is not an anti-establishment or anti-corporativist movement, it's just antiwork and communist, both of which are wrong. One should be payed a living wage, not sit on the internet complaining about how muh wages bad while praising communism, which is what they do.

>>51470991
I'm not american I'm north african, my grandfather was a starved orphan and worked all his life to offer a better life to himself and his familly, because of that my father was able to go to university and secure a high middle class lifestyle, which in turn mean that, Allah willing, I have opportunities and privileges that people from low income family haven't.

Ultimately, that's how all the inheritable privileges work, children might not deserve it but the parents and ancestors deserve to have secured a better future for their bloodline.

We leave at a time of endless opportunities, of you're not able to make the best of it for yourself and the one you love, what makes you think you would have done any better in the 50s, or during the middle age for that matter?

>>51471188

Yeah a lot of the time you have to job hop. That's life. They aren't obligated to pay you any more. If you signed a non compete when you were feeling entrepreneurial you're a dumbass.

And you're right, you need experience (value) to negotiate further gains. Again, that's life. Where in the fuck hell are you getting the idea that anyone should be able to make the most possible the moment their retarded ass leaves school? Junior level anything is useless, if anything complain about the state of modern schooling and how they don't actually prepare you for work, you pay $100k+ to get indoctrinated in bs.

>>51471118
>Oh, so we're not currently in capitalism?
See, you're unable to come up with an abstract definition and are forced to resort to rethorical questions. That's ok, I accept your concession.

>>51464133
Noooo not my HECKIN waifurinoos!
Women in japan are different... because they just are ok.

>>51471198
I'll never not laugh when I see Russians spreading American propaganda. I guess that's all it really takes with how gullible rightists are.

>>51471253
So what you're saying is the current capitalism isn't "true" capitalism? Am I getting that right, Ivan?

>>51471346
>the current capitalism
please define

>>51471190
I agree but if wages weren't pushed down because of cheap immigrant labor and billionaires lobbying politicians to get either tax breaks or, since 2008, free trillions, I'm quite sure the movement would be almost inexistant.

Of course some people will always be unhappy but the state of affairs right now is quite depressing.
This is coming from a swiss earning 70k$ a year for stamping bills a few hours a day and read books the rest of the time, thanks to the very shady shit we did for decades.

>>51471377
I mean, I already knew you were posting from several IPs, but I guess at least others can see it now.

>>51471240
>Yeah a lot of the time you have to job hop. That's life. They aren't obligated to pay you any more.

and businesses fail from retarded business owner/manager decisions, that's also life.

>If you signed a non compete when you were feeling entrepreneurial you're a dumbass.

i dont get how someone can be so pro-capitalist and at the same time respect non-compete. it's almost as if scumbags like you like competition when it works for you and hate it when it threatens your business. it's basically communist bullshit, go fuck yourself. i'll see you hanged with the rest of the communist cadre that has their boot on the neck of hardworking entrepreneurial americans.

>Where in the fuck hell are you getting the idea that anyone should be able to make the most possible the moment their retarded ass leaves school?

i dont remember saying anything like that you schizcohprenic communist bootlicker.

>>51471422
No I'm just hopping on that anons insistence that you live in a constantly shifting blob of definitions that you can't nail down even if it was in your best interest

>>51463891
This I was the same way, middle left in college until I graduated and started handing over 10s of thousands a year in fucking taxes

>>51462175
except he will never get enough money to loan so he can't do it.
The one who gets the loans gets the rewards.
The one who gives the loans decides who have the ability to succeed

>>51464679
>muh fraternity connections cope
Lol you doom posters are pathetic

>>51471450

>i dont get how someone can be so pro-capitalist and at the same time respect non-compete. it's almost as if scumbags like you like competition when it works for you and hate it when it threatens your business. it's basically communist bullshit, go fuck yourself. i'll see you hanged with the rest of the communist cadre that has their boot on the neck of hardworking entrepreneurial americans.

You signed a consensual contract you fucking faggot. It isn't the same as being born into a non voluntary state overlordship. I didn't say I "supported" it.

>i dont remember saying anything like that you schizcohprenic communist bootlicker.

You did, when you acted like you should be able to negotiate value when you're valueless (pre experience). How was that ever a counterargument then?

>>51471454
We get it, you can't defend capitalism. I wouldn't expect a Russian to go beyond the basic bullet points he's instructed to spread.

>>51465390
This, I fucking loathe midwits that say dumb shit like “we need to destroy the system man!!” Okay, and replace it with what genius? Are you down for 50+ years of civil turmoil mad max style while feudalistic splinter factions duke it out for real control, only to end up in a worse place than when we started? Are you cool with millions dying while we abolish “the system”? Are you fine with everyone you know suffering for the rest of their miserable lives in the name of c h a n g e? Further, even if you did succeed and rebrand the country as socialist, how the fuck do you decide who actually gets to the run the show in a country of 300 million? I see so many dumbass lefty women saying this shit on dating apps. Absolute retards with no foresight whatsoever, all of them.

>>51471606
We get it, you can't even define what it is you're attacking.

>>51471000
It’s not really a leftist thing desu, their focus on “capitalism” is just a manifestation of the same thing liberals do. It’s basically to split “modernity” from whatever the past was so we can tell ourselves a story about what is happening “in our age” so to speak. While it’s true that there have been overt changes in the way the world works, a lot of those changes are actually located in the kind of circular self-perception of the changes. People redefine phenomenon in the past in order to fit it into the narrative they already decided holds some weight. So common explanations of what “capitalism” are involve the wide spread of wage work, or the significant capitalization of assets that the current narrative has retroactively defined as having been organized more “politically” in the past (mainly land). I think we share more in common with the past than these kinds of abstractions would have us believe.

>>51471538
>You signed a consensual contract

non-compete clauses show just how much power corporations have over labor, if labor can be willing to agree under absolutely no economic duress. power concedes nothing without a demand, no wonder economic mobility is dead in this country if corporations can get away with shit like this and bootlickers like you just take it in the ass.

> I didn't say I "supported" it.

you're defending it pretty strong for someone that doesn't support it. i hope you're not some edgy teenager contrarian faggot that got backed into a corner and doesnt want to admit he's wrong?

>when you acted like you should be able to negotiate value when you're valueless (pre experience).

quote me where i said any of that. or can i also just insert my words and dick into your mouth?

>>51471653

It's especially preposterous when it comes from people who live in countries that are in 1st place out of 250. We don't even know if better is possible. We are the standard.

>>51464679
Banks love poor's I was able at 23 in 2015 take out a 40k loan WHILE WORKING AT HOMEGOODS FOR $9 A HOUR I was able to buy a car in full and some new furniture and then claim bankruptcy right before COVID and I didn't lose shit but my ~750 credit rating

>>51471804

Ah yes, now it's a full on battle of splitting hairs and arguing semantics. Shut the fuck up you annoying retard. You know what I meant and you can either take the advice or stay poor and miserable. I'm going to continue beating the cheeks off this tutorial mode economy.

>>51471857

i accept your apology.

>>51471882

If only winning imaginary arguments on the internet paid your bills you fucking worm

I the 1PBTID shills are going to try spamming /biz/ now.

>>51471695
Did you give up on samefagging from other IPs, Ivan?

>>51471910

>>51471977
>muh russia

>>51472000
There we go!

>>51471990

>he's poor and complaining about not succeeding in the world's easiest economy
>I'm the mad one

sure!

>>51472000
>everyone who disagrees with me is the same Russian
Is this the power of people who think the 2020 US elections were the most legitimate ever?

>>51472015

>>51472044

Go ahead and dump your whole folder if you'd like, so everyone can see how not mad and not committed to whining about "capitalism" you are

>>51472054

>>51462331
How do u make these cool pictures?

>>51462117
>r/antiwork
Lol. Go be a 10hr/week dogwalker somewhere else

>>51462117
shitpost answer: lmao get rekt wagie

real answer: finally hold one (1) generation of rich oligarchs legally accountable for their scumfuckery, utterly devastate their fortunes and make crush their megalithic empires into dust or break them up and free up literal trillions of dollars in commerce for smaller businesses to hoover up. You crush a few for the benefit of many. This really only sets the clock back about 50-100 years though, more giant corporations will arise if there is no change in the culture at the heart of western capitalism.

I think governments can do it or the people will eventually do it themselves, and then do the same to their government. At least Uncle Sam can save his own ass from the mobs.

>>51464368

this dude does not have a small business. also lmao you're presenting business plans to your family? 'just use your family as venture capital'. typical peanut brain, you probably live in a trailer and are larping

>>51472028
Whoops, you accidentally quoted yourself. But it's funny you bring that up, Ivan- the GOP cheated and still lost, even after all of your efforts on top of that lol.

>>51472719
kek you're fully programmed, and Rittenhouse is a violent murderer?

i used to work at a place where the boss was a car collector and he'd get exotic stuff delivered like once a month. not a rich people hater but it wasn't a great look having all the employees walk past your 400k sports car every day after work making 12-20/hr.

>>51472740
>used violence
>murdered someone
Objectively, yes. How'd you know?

>>51462117
The problem is not capitalism anon, the problem is idiotic government spending in idiotic multinational companies while leaving them exploit workforce (while diluting the currency)

>>51464759
Nah dude. Best bet is try and marry someone richer and uglier than you or just scam them

>>51464133
Very comfy meme. I wish I could meet such a woman. Is it easy to do that in Japan?

>>51469024
>Implying I'll be working in the next 3 years tops
You poorfags can't see beyond tomorrow

>>51462117
stop bailing out the capitalists and the problem sorts itself out

capitalists literally need socialists to not devour themselves

>>51462155
Brother the bottom right one looks so fucking real holy shit

>>51473076
>insert photo
>tell computer to copy photo
>but make it look like photo

Yea?

>>51472842
>The problem is not capitalism anon, it's-
>immediately describes capitalism
every time lmao