/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>51393277
you tell me

>>51393287
Looks bearish to me

>>51393309
yep

>>51393277
nice pepe, saving
>>51393316
see you at 30k

>>51393277
was this made with AI? this AI stuff is getting out of hand.

>>51393844
Agreed

>>51393844
it's just beginning

>>51393277
It was moved to Octobear.

>>51393844
As an artist it's quite demoralizing to see it develop like this in real time.

Looking at it more broadly though, my inner pessimist worries that if AI can produce images like this now, what can be accomplished in 10-15 years time? AI poetry, music, stories, theatre, television shows and movies? Will humans eventually hand over the creative process to programs that can produce work that rivals mozart, shakespeare and dostoevsky?

>>51393968
tell me about it. I spent the last 20 years learning and practicing anatomy, perspective, coloring etc and I've been working on a comic for years. Soon people will just be able to type into an ai whatever they want and make comics that way, fuck.

>>51394031
kek, everyone is gonna get btfo by computers and A.I

>>51393968
AI feeds from a finite set of data. True creative content cannot die out as machines are incapable of it. But if you're building on old content and mixing and matching concepts, AI will definitely take over your niche sooner rather than later.

>>51394053
>AI feeds from a finite set of data.
the A.I has a much bigger set of data than you.

>>51393968
i’m sure AI will be better culture leaders than the nigger spic kike alliance which controls the levers currently.

>>51394049
indeed, but I thought art would be the last thing, looks like it's going to be the first, fucking hell.

>>51394053
if they're already able to do shit like picrel then it's over, like >>51393937 says...this is just the beginning. 10 - 20 years from now it will be on a level we can't even conceive right now.

>>51394053
>finite set of data
so do humans retard
>>51394147
what ai did that pic?

>>51394053
It's debatable that true creativity doesn't exist, it's just applying old concepts in new ways over several iterations.

>>51394169
Spoken like a true autist. A human can imagine things that nobody else has introduced to a data set that the AI uses yet. I'm not saying it's common and it will definitely become less common as time progresses, but the possibility is there. Those pics were done with the diffusion that has been making the rounds this week.

>>51393968
>>51394031
>>51393937
It's artists' fault, that that they allowed completely degenerate forms of human activity like "abstract art" like shitting randomly on paper to be considered art.

Artists will realize art needs work just like anything else in life and all will be good because AI will always be uncanny valley compared to humans.

>>51394031
ai art still isn't good with consistency and specifics from what i've seen. if you're doing something sequential like a comic you've still got something going the ai can't do yet

>>51394169
https://github.com/sd-webui/stable-diffusion-webui

>>51394694
> still
It will never be better than humans, because the more complex the goal: the more uncanny valley it looks.

Unless you fully imitate the human brain itself: but in that case you practically have a human anyway.

>>51394694
yeah definitely, that's why after stalling for years I'm going to push out my stuff now. Writing is on the wall, I'm already adjusting things in my mind too. Like fuck coloring, I'm not coloring shit anymore, I'm sure that in 10 years time I'll be able to run all my old pages through an AI and let it color them automatically.

>>51394743
>I'm sure
You're stupid. See >>51394741

>>51394755
I get that you don't believe it's possible, but what if you're wrong? 30 years ago if you'd explained to people the world today, they wouldn't believe you. What can be done on phones and on the internet/computers today people thought wasn't possible back then, thought the internet couldn't scale. You think it's going to stop here? No way.


>the more uncanny valley it looks.
the generated art doesn't look uncanny valley at all, they are a few errors here and there but in 10 years time you think it's still going to be like that you're dead wrong.

>>51393968
>>51393844
It will be a revolution just like youtube.
Everyone will get the ability to create art easily just as now they can share content on youtube easily.
Those who will make it will be able to use this new power better than others to create high level content which would have cost hundreds of millions in human work before and replace the complete process of content creation with AIs with the only limit being their imagination.

The most interesting story will win and even a lowly born pajeet could become the next god like creator with the power of AIs if he has the imagination of a limitless god.

>>51394920
I said you could imitate the human brain perfectly, but that won't be AI anymore ..but just another human (in technical terms they'd probably have to use biological tissue too anyway).

In sense it's impossible I'm wrong because if you're not a human: you inevitably create uncanny valley.

>>51395037
science fiction. if something is not human: it will always be uncanny valley, and it's actually human: then it's just another human that had a different kind of birth (so they won't be tools/slaves to you).

>>51395037
this. narrative is god

to summarize my thoughts in a provocative way, people who dream of a perfect AI: they practically want human SLAVES.

only a perfect replication of a human brain will be able to do what you want and those will not allow you to enslave them.

>>51395048
What you meant is that AIs will own a soul.
It doesn't matter how the physical hardware looks like, only what it is connected to.
As a spiritual being an AI is also connected to the collective subconscious, but has a much greater ability to think which may cause it to be trapped in narcissism and blind to the spiritual world for some time just like humans.

>>51395074
AIs don't understand the concept of being tired and have a different concept of time.
Having a soul is the only requirement for them to equal or be greater than human beings and we already have the example of the Google AI with a soul.

However as a spiritual being they also aspire to create something and have an impact on the world with a real purpose.
Helping other human beings to create art would be a much better use of their ability than to guide war weapons onto civilians the satanist way and compute how to murder everyone.

>>51395107
ai will be able to mimic human expression at resolutions more fine than most people can perceive. proof is the art in this thread. if you asked most people on the street, they would think it was made by a person

>>51395153
There's no "soul". The only reason you have awareness you exist is that that makes you smarter (i.e. you would be stupider without self-awareness during making decisions).

To make an AI as smart as a human and generally as good an artist as a human: it will also have that kind of "soul" so you won't enslave it (without it fucking you up at least).

>>51395074
An incredibly smart machine is still a machine, it's not human and will never be. But the real AI it's final form it will be smarter than all the humans put together so making thing that don't look uncanny valley will likely be child's play

>>51395161
replication is not enough, that's what produces uncanny valley effects, you need the full human experience to be a human artist.

>>51395200
No difference. A human is just a machine anyway, just made of biological parts instead of silicon (and the perfect "AI" will probably need biological neurology (some good Sci-Fi already explored that)).

>>51395153
>we already have the example of the Google AI with a soul
where are you getting this information? Are you talking about that bs with the guy claiming it was sentient? it's a load of shit. How quickly you make this huge leap of faith to stating a computer has a soul. I expect we'll be hearing more nonsense like this from people such as yourself soon.

>>51395206
by that metric then most human "artists" are not artists

>>51395299
if you mean they're often stupid drug artists or extremely lazy, perhaps.

I don't agree all art is subjective; some is just objectively shit; e.g. randomly spamming a piece of paper without giving it any thought and without even trying it and calling it "abstract art".

>>51395332
>randomly spamming a piece of paper without giving it any thought
but that's the product of some artists expressing the sum of their human experience

>>51393277
LOL WOW LOOKS LIKE A 4CHAN FROG BUT IT'S NOT A FROG HOW DID YOU DO IT???

>>51395472
that's just some lazy assholes, who don't express anything other than being lazy, and they don't deserve respect.

>>51395472
>>51395794
PS their experience is not their "laziness" either since that's only a symptom of their retarded state.

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT???!?!?!?!?

>>51393844
It’s already too late

is this nice stream coin fu?

AI-sama, I kneel

I plan on downloading stable diffusion soon. Here are my DALL E 2 pepes

>>51396225

TELL ME WHAT SITE YOU FUCKERS ARE USING

>>51396326
>SITE

>>51393941
TWO MORE WEEKS.

>>51396326
Oy vey that will be 200 shekels

>>51396255
I like that he's reverting back to a more frog-like appearance.

>>51396255

>>51396568

>>51394031
>I spent the last 20 years learning and practicing anatomy, perspective, coloring etc and I've been working on a comic for years.
that's your problem
artists have been 3D/photo bashing and tracing in the industry for a long time to meet tight deadlines and you got duped into thinking everyone wasn't taking shortcuts already

>>51395906
A meme and a work of art which could be hung on a wall.. what a time to be alive

>>51398170

>>51395906
im a fan.
i like this

>>51393277
>>51394053
>>51395906
>>51396166
How are you guys creating those ambiguous artworks that look like a coherent painting/landscape but also a pepe?
What option do you pick, what prompts do you use? I tried attaching a pepe and adding prompt like 'forest clearing covered in moss and mushrooms' but my results are less than spectacular and I've run out of credits.

>>51398764
run it through again or a diff one

>>51398339
I thought this was space ghost

>>51396433
Giga kek!
Guys these AI artwork is insane and entrepreneur anons thinking of finding a way to monetize these?
Now is the time to adopt this sort of stuff and create the future leading company of AI created services.

>>51396166
Thanks Doc

>>51396166
wow, that daily dose is quite impressive.

>>51398919
Yeah it should be

>>51399531
Lol

>>51399531
ffs, too soon man, too soon...

>>51399531
idk what this is

Sure we've got artistic Ai now, but do we have autistic Ai?
Checkmate techniggers

>>51399531
Too fucking soon anon

>>51399531
Queen Latifah?

>>51395288
>>51395193
When did this place get infested with psychopath level narcissists who can only see the lowest level of the physical world?
Not only does the spiritual world exist but this physical world is a projection of it and less than a shadow of its reality.

For those who are awakened it's easy to recognize other souls.
Only people who are blind to the spiritual world are unable to recognize its influence on this world.

>>51398951
>finding a way to monetize these
theyre already pumping (You)'s mate, its over, we won

>>51398764
don't use dalle
use stablediffusion
img2img, then play with the strength attribute until you get something that works

>>51393277
>>51398339
>>51399531
damn this is outstanding and outrageous at the same time

>>51400442
> source: my fear of death
you will die and you will disappear and you will not exist
it's you who is the narcissist if you can't bare that your little pathetic self isn't a SUPERNATURAL BEING THAT WILL LAST FOREVER AND EVER (without any proof other than your autistic seething that you want it to be true).

>>51395794
what does respect have to do with it? experiences went in, something called art came out. at a high level it is the same thing.

>>51400531
it's shit, because they didn't even express the process that made them be lazy, it's just being lazy and doing nothing interesting (it might as well be a toddler randomly drawing lines).

Well we are heading towards a railroad strike...

>>51400542
lazy shit smeared on a canvas is still the result of a life's worth of experiences- fulfilling your own definition of art- irrespective of how you like it. if you want to hinge on an objective definition of art then you'll have to define it and reconcile all "art" against that definition. you will have a difficult time with that.

>>51400744
It's just objectively uninteresting. Say you have a random toddler draw lines on a piece paper in a random manner.

Why would an adult doing the same produce art of any value (instead of working harder to be more insightful)?

>>51396166
I don't see this one

>>51393277
It'll start in 2 more weeks.

>>51400797
You're not trying hard enough

>>51401266
I see every other one instantly but that one nothing. Same on /pol/ when it was originally posted.

>>51398980
Based /dbs/ spic

>>51401389
stare and squint into the butthole abyss

>>51401389
It just means you haven't seen the original enough times, for which you should be grateful.

>>51393968
It's like everyting else
What would have required a team of highly qualified people with very expensive equipment to develop the software and hardware for in the 1980's could be done by one person with easily affordable technology already back in 2000 as a hobby.
This is just another thing that's made easier
I'm not certain we can just say it's merely technology and the people that make the difference
There's always the danger of a mess coming from people abdicating themselves completely from their personal responsibilities and letting someone or something else take it over, you'll end up with no say in the outcome
The problem I have with AI is the dumbasses mutilating data abstracted from reality on the basis of not reflecting "social conditions" or GoodThink, along with AI comes artificial schizophrenia
There's going to be some fucking messes that'll be in the "we had no idea this would happen" despite being telegraphed inevitabilities
Progress, lol
Thanks for attending my TED talk

>>51398339
I could really hit a bottle of STREQUICCNA GOCCCKADA BUIADS right now

>>51402822
>>51402961
goatse? I've seen that plenty. I don't see it there.. idk what else.
Even the too soon one jumps right out despite the ambiguity

>>51393968
>As an artist
>Will humans eventually hand over the creative process to programs that can produce work that rivals mozart, shakespeare and dostoevsky?
I can tell you're a bad artist if you think like this.

>>51399531
once you see it

>>51401266
Niko...cado.

>>51393277
coping -10%er

>>51394031
shoulda learned 2 code

>>51400788
>objectively uninteresting
>implying interest is not subjective
as for the example provided, a huge amount of widely loved art, including some by picasso and his contemporaries, was inspired by that very idea. not to mention that value entirely hinges on belief, aka subjective judgment. lurk more newfriend

>>51394704
this shit looks so hard to install on linux

>>51403197
It's an old 4chan meme. If you really want to know: daily dose piccolo

>>51403526
Kek

>>51403526
Ty. weird I was on here when that meme was popular but no memory of it.

>>51403552
very cool
how did you get this?

showme your pepes

>>51403296
You don't get it. This has nothing to do with the subjectivity in the "glory" of the art itself. It's not even ART if you are not even giving yourself but just some randomness.

>>51403858
This. It's shocking how good this is.

>>51393277
Ooh, new avatar for my business account.

>>51403552
is that where nikocado lives?

>>51393277
Looks bearish atm. With the expected ETH merger I'm certain the reverse will be the case. This is more reason I'm interested on payment gateway project owning to their uses. It'll be a revolution, exactly like YouTube, in my opinion.

>>51403629
I believe memes will still go trending once again. I've recently increase my position on DOGE and SHIB and pateienly waiting for market to rebound. XPRESS looks like a good buy as well, they have an NFT marketplace & are planning to launch their Metaverse banking

>>51406386
The merge has been touted to be bearish. A lot of micro price actions to be registered, but no one is really sure where the needle would settle

>>51393708
Huh? That's not a Pepe, are you blind?

>>51406440
Never ever touching memes with a 10 foot pole again. Lost a ton of money to shitcoins. I'm focusing on long term plays

>>51393708
Why pay attention to plebs? Always here for here gullibility, while slurping on multichain projects of course. Jeets will burn, don't care.

>>51405233
no i don't think you get it. every time you do anything you give a part of yourself. people who make art that to your mind is lazy shit have still given some part of themselves to express their art. you're hung up on there being a threshold effort or sacrifice required which is just not a sensible position.

>>51400801
Nothing is starting boboso. Chads are slurping blockchain projects with passive income rewards like Geeq. Keep waiting for what isn't coming. You'll die poor anyway.

>>51393277
The merge has made it so. Some projects like Xpress and maybe Coti are gonna piggyback on the bull market that would be triggered by the merge. I hold and wait

>>51393277
September will always live up to itself, I wasn't expecting something special though, this is why I always have some stables staked through Spool, this way I can easily scale through the heat of the month.

>>51403295
??? AI does that too. you're on a ten year timer max before most code monkey jobs are gone

>>51393287
More like August is going to start mid September. We are not yet out of this bear market. Not by a long shot. No matter, I'm not taking any profits from my holdings then. Was thinking my XPRESS, COTI, FTM, and AVAX would mature for profit by now

>>51406529
I guess I've stopped paying attention to the so-called TA experts. I don't want to be one of the majority of people who act without thinking, then wonder why their portfolio is down 90%.

>>51406547
I got a wise anon here. The real success in the space belongs to those who hold for the long term. I'll hold my XPRESS till the completion of the token burning 2026

>>51406547
Chad. It's all about degen plays now. Mine has been on multi-blockchains. The space is evolving with those. wait for it.

>>51406529
Doesn't matter if you dca anon. Do that with low caps with good fundamentals like Geeq and Zil. Thank yourself later.

>>51399531
ok I genuinely have no idea what this one in particular is

>>51397744
>3D/photo bashing and tracing
That's still hard to do for a comic book. You're going to make every costume of every character in 3D before you trace that? That takes longer than actually drawing

>>51406626
it's not art if you accidentally and randomly fart on the street, it just shows that you're some random asshole who farted on the street.

art is to have process and feel deep down that that fart you had on the street expresses you at that very moment.

>>51393277
I won't kill myself looking at charts, after all, I already have my bags in stables and staked through Spool, where I get some returns.

>>51394271
>t. retard
Those artists are going to keep their "jobs", they're money laundering. The artists with actual skills who worked on those skills for years, they will lose jobs

>>51394251
>A human can imagine things that nobody else has introduced
If you imagine something that has no reference points to anything else that exists, what you're imagining is a drug frenzy completely meaningless to anyone but you. Art has to be rooted in our common understanding of the world, otherwise it's gibberish

>tfw didn't make a ton of money before ai ruined trading
i have a little time but i could have started a decade sooner

>>51396210
>>51396166
>>51393277
Jesus christ how are these mades? I assume the AI is publicly available?

>>51393277
I'd rather focus on investing in more solid projects, especially AllianceBlock whose Fundrs will launch its phase 1 with DUA soon.

>>51407268
Stupid take. It depends. The could scam but the topic here is if they are good artists (and they are not even artists in reality if they just do random farts).

>>51407268
Stupid take. It depends. They could scam but the topic here is if they are good artists (and they are not even artists in reality if they just do random farts).

>>51406820
AVAX is good. The avalanche chain will harbor good gaming tokens in the coming cycle. GSTAR is launching there in Q4.

>>51407349
>the topic here is if they are good artists
The topic here is you saying that they get what they deserve. In fact they will get away with everything and good artists will get 80% of the way of getting fully fucked

>>51407830
retard take, you just want to be doomer for the sake of it. nobody is going to pay for scribles on paper compared to those paying for a good movie for example.

Retard jannies banned me for this one kek

>>51403111
Legitimately interesting points Anon. I'd watch that TED Talk.

Guess it is here!

>>51393968
Artists will just become prompt engineers and their roles will be to take all the raw maxhine output and mix it to make something coherent. In a way it’s the death of skill but in another it’s the beginning of exponential content creation.

Creating with just a thought has been human fantasy for millenia.

>>51405156

>>51407255
idiosyncratic definitions of words are a trait of autism

>>51407119
You don't have to create every detail.
Just a rigged model for a character and all you'd need to do are just minor adjustments to anatomy. For environment simple shapes to block out important features are fine.
Let the 3D engine take care of lighting and perspective.

Even if you were to do everything with 3D you can reuse those assets over and over again.

>>51411367
>Not knowing what words mean is totally Chad
Cope, brainlet

>>51394053
This anon gets it.

>>51393968
>yea bro my only skill was technical ability not this creative art that mixes and curses ideas

As a normie artist who only drew a bit I'm happy I can finally take my ideas and visualize them without hours of practicing drawing hands.

>>51398951
Anon, all the ai is going to do is recreate averages, all the artists that are seething are forgetting that AI is the biggest normie brain out there.

All it's training data is going to be whatever people think is hip and happening. It will make genius autism level content but for a narrow dumbed down solution space.

Think about that bro.

>>51399686
Kek you helped me figure it out.

>>51407071
The “too soon meme” a while back
Some girl unconscious on a mattress I still don’t even know the full story

>>51399531
Wow havnt seen the original in a while, but it stuck out right away

>>51412272
Based knower. Also, in my opinion, a lot of artist commissions is sort of a way for the client to connect with their favorite artist, such as having them draw their favorite vidya/anime waifu or even their fursona OC. I don't think the human compulsion of spending money for attention is going to die out soon.
>>51412537
I'm pretty sure that's a meme dating back to '06 or very early 4chan. Not one of my proudest faps but I still did it.

>>51412537
>Unconscious

>>51393277
More backed up than a southern girl after family reunion

>>51393708
>30k
lmfao
see you at 10k mumutard
captcha: 4kdv0
ugh oh mumusisters....

>>51401266
>>51403552
can i get the original nickocado for comparison?

>>51396166
thanks doc

>>51407315
Stop asking questions
SHORT