/biz/ - Business & Finance

I’m turning 31 in just a few weeks, I’ve been living the NEET life since 18 years old after I got on SSI for autism. I tried working for about 4ish months at Walmart once but I quit and never went back. For what purpose, other than the desire of money, would one want to contribute to this hellish world?

fuck society

28 really isn't that old anymore for a career change, assuming you don't have mouths to feed yet. You could be making $250k+ by 32 OP.

>>51352063
Thanks fren. What made me feel better was talking to other people my age who made career changes, as you mentioned. Even non NEETS go through life events that radically change the path their on, and many start over with little to nothing, so I'm grateful and realize I'm not alone.
>>51352025
That's rough bro, sorry to hear about the tism. If it makes you feel better, there were anons I've seen on here that have transmuted their autism into excellent skills that propelled their career and financial status miles ahead. Are you good with math or data? Artistic creation? There's many autism-friendly professions out there

>>51351963

I pivoted to CS around 27. I didn't go to school for it though. If you do go to school, make sure you work on projects on the side so you come in as experienced.
As far as advice:

> sleep 8
> at least 40 mins of cardio even if that's walking
> personal and work space hygiene always
good nutrition, vitamins where you need it
> work time is work time - gtfo ALL distractions - phone away, 10chin closed
> do give yourself some rest time, you can't just pivot to nonstop work unless it's a passion project

Just rejoined temporary neetdom today at 22, got some money saved from being a wagey and living at home and my crypto is doing well even though im a mongoloid with it. Moving out to Portland and will hopefully be starting an apprenticeship around November. Trying to find something niche and varied and not too physically rough, like an analyst or meter reader or something. I think being a tradie is a good choice for my situation since everyone my age is doing gender studies or tech or heroin so competition shouldnt be too hard. The job i just left gave me a wake up call seeing all the old people joining and they weren't particularly stupid or anything, if I dont take shit seriously thats going to be me one day... I was demoralized from a very young age and gave up before I even started high school. In the last year I got Christpilled and realized Id like to be a dad one day, thats my reason to not give up. I quit smoking cigs and weed 2 months ago, I figure I might as well try giving life an honest effort instead of feeling superior by not playing at all. I can always go back to being a smug bum if all else fails, Im good at it, it takes very very little for me to be comfortable and happy.

Wow, an actual decent thread on /biz/. Colour me surprised. Good job OP

For me, I have food intolerances which gave me severe problems which mimicked the 'tism. At 32, it has taken nearly 10 years to figure out what the hell was wrong with me. Doctors were useless.

I'm only now beginning to heal (approaching normalcy), and aside from a useless meme degree I scraped at 18, I have zero career.

I'm 30 and about to start a job at NOC. Working on my CCNA and then CCNP after. Once I start the new job, going to get pre-approved for a home loan and try to find a small cuck condo so I can move out of my dad's.

Late bloomer but I can't complain since I'm progressing.

I’ve been a neet since early 2020. I’ve been leetcoding and am pretty close to being ready to interview at big tech. I’m pretty much guaranteed a salary of $170k to $320k if I pass the interview.
>teamblind.com
>levels.fyi
>neetcode.io
I’m not there yet but I feel close

>>51352419
>Moving out to Portland
portland is one of the last places you want to be, west of the city is ok if you get far enough out but then the commute is hellacious if you need to go into the city for work, vancouver is nicer but locals have known that for 30 years so the commute is also absolutely fucked, basically if you are not a homosexual drug addict then there are much better options than portland
t. lifelong portland metroer saving to get as far from this lawless homeless camp as possible

>>51351963
24, about to be 25. Have gone almost a year being a fucking NEET. I know it doesn’t sound like a lot compared to some others, but still it has been a pretty terrible time in my life and I don’t ever want to be like this again. I feel pretty lost having basically dropped out of school about a year ago now, but I just got a job and am going to start working again here soon. A shit job, but a job nonetheless. Im trying to get back into working out, I had the first decent workout I’ve had in a long time yesterday and it felt pretty good. Im also learning to code and I do like it so I’m excited to see where that goes. I just feel directionless, depressed, and scared honestly, but I think I’m getting better (or I hope so atleast). I’ve been really down on myself and I’m just trying to gain some confidence back, but sometimes I just feel hopeless or numb to everything.I’m just trying to learn how to enjoy life again I guess. Hopefully things get a little better soon.

>>51352886
If everybody else is a loser then shouldnt it be easier to rise up and be a Chad? Cold water to the face is what woke me up so I figure being there would help me stay on track. I already live in Oregon anyway

>>51352419
What kind of christpill, please dont tell me you became catholic
Faith helped me move away from neet mode too, on a train for a mission trip as i type
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pSxegwiYLEQ

>>51352889
>>51353141
You sound a lot like me not so long ago, please do check out the vid

>>51351963
>I feel like I'm gonna make it and everything will be ok
Seems unlikely. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

>>51353205
You probably suck dick at investing if you take this as a hard set rule.

>>51353141
Why does everyone shill this guy? I like his video exposing the jews but his theology is bad. No not Catholic but i do favor the douay rheims and listen to a lot of catholic stuff. Not quite sold on any denomination Im born too late to be a quaker

Should I pivot to CS or cybersecurity at 37?

>t. government life sciences wagie in canada making $100k.

>>51353315
Only doctrine that really resonates with me

>>51352316
>>51351963
>>51352063
This kind of threads give me Hopium, 28 uni (digital art lol) drop out here,been working remotely for pennies, but I want to make more.
Why did you choose CS and what do you think about Digital Marketing diplomas online?
Could use some guidance anons.

Only had 2 years of doing nothing after school but now in my 2nd year of uni doing CS. I recently quit my part time job and did nothing over summer and I'm kinda worried about finding motivation next year, not dropping out, and also not falling back into the pit after graduation. It's hard to keep on the train constantly forever, and I've barely started

>>51353816
>Why did you choose CS and what do you think about Digital Marketing diplomas online?
I want a marketable future-proof skill, and programming is definitely something that will survive the test of time. Not quite sure about digital marketing, sounds like one of those things that is heavily about building profiles for yourself though. Good luck fren

>>51352471
Thanks fren. Heard a lot about food intolerance and its effect on cerebral wellbeing. Do you have any solid links to share? Wouldn't mind exploring this further.

I'm in the process of taking the wormpill

I've had several bouts of "neetism" in my adult life. In between them I managed to: get my first apartment for about 8 months with a girlfriend, move to different states and countries, be gainfully employed with a salary and benefits, etc.

However, between these short flings with normal adult life, I tend to become extremely overwhelmed and potentially at risk of harm to myself (from the opinions of those observing, apparently), which results in my mom either getting me locked up in a mental institution or demanding I come home and recover.

The only problem is this last recovery period doesn't seem to be ending. I got summoned back home because I was going off the rails in Europe near the start of covid, and after arriving home I started destroying my digital life. I became very paranoid about being surveilled and stopped using phones, deleted my linkedin, deleted facebook, etc. I wanted to see if I could 'digitally die' in lieu of actually jumping in front of a train.

Now I am coming out of the fugue, but my social credit score is fucked. I was very antivax and was basically expecting to be put in camps for dissenting. The few friends who still are able to get a hold of me don't. I have no license, and only go out at night to take short walks.

I seem unwell enough to get gibs, but I don't want handouts and I think psychologically getting paid because "you can't deal with life" sounds retarded. I'd rather just be homeless and steal food or whatever directly from businesses that can afford it than take it from taxpayers.

I'll keep applying for jobs I guess, but I think I'm actually blacklisted from society now in some way. I was told that when communist-painted fascists take over, they get even the mothers to sell out their radical sons, so maybe this won't last too much longer. Just put me in the camps, I'm not going to magically start complying.

t.> your friendly neighborhood product of society

>>51354495
You take the gibs and become a functioning taxpayer. I never understood why the people that will actually eventually contribute to society are so afraid of Government assistance while the real leeches will go on till they die.

>>51354495
Taking gibs isn't as simple as taking money that would simply not be taxed or put to better use, it's a drop in the ocean of wasted money. They would burn enough for you to live for a decade overnight and let you die outside, it's just paperwork

>>51353141
>>51353190
chriskikes get the rope

>>51354555
checked, and yeah I wish I had the ability to do it.

I wouldn't know where to start, and the idea of interacting with the government in any way other than being under arrest is foreign to me.

I guess I just assume they exist to put me in a cage because they have done so before, so now I avoid them. Unfortunate that the programs go to people who are so parasitic.

>>51354618
Especially your faggot pastor.

>>51354609
that's a good way to look at it, I do think all fiat money is fake anyway -- but the problem is, in addition to what I said here >>51354627, I feel like psychologically taking from them is giving them consent to run my life. It seems like a carrot on a stick. I'd rather be homeless and steal if I have no other choices if that makes any sense at all. I just hate that there are humans who rule over other humans and I don't want to participate in their game.

>>51354363
>marketable

remember engineering have highest drop-out rate as people have been sold that idea of marketable skill, but if you dont enjoy programming at all or are bad at math/physics you wont make it in cs (most likely). it's important to do what you enjoy are naturally good at

My truest, deepest, most singular wish is to find something that would give my life meaning. I'm a hard worker on my own hobbies (none of which are profitable), but I have been a NEET for most of my adult life because every job I've had is at best futile and at worst a hell that makes me want to die.
God I wish I could find something, ANYTHING, to do all day that I could feel good about *and* pay a living wage.

bottom signal

>>51354832
most normies know by age of 15 what they want to become when they grow up. i think many neets main problem is there is no passion to anything so obviously it's very hard to start studying or anything when there is lack of passion or interest

>>51355128
I read "So Good They Can't Ignore You" by Cal Newport and his hypothesis is that "follow your passion" is bullshit advice that puts the horse before the cart. Instead we should take a process-focused craftsman result by picking an in-demand skill that falls within our mental/physical capabilities and slowly mastering it, and that passion will follow the work, i.e. passion comes after, not before.
I find it very compelling, and maybe even my last hope to get the ball rolling in the right direction.

Turning 29 soon and just got diagnosed with ADHD. Spent my 20s genuinely trying, but failing to complete courses and tasks, resulting in pretty nasty unhappiness and the overwhelming sensation of feeling like I'm in a prison. Kept gaslighting myself with shit like
>hurr mental health isn't real, you're just lazy
>just try harder bro

Tried every self improoovment meme known to man. Scheduling, Journaling, cutting off distraction, etc... I've learned to accept that our place in the social hierarchicy is all just biologically determined from the quantities of neurochemicals floating around our brains, mostly being dopamine. Low dopamine = being a bottom feeding NEET bitch who can't move forward.

I'm taking the goy pills starting next week.
>have fun frying your brain bro
Literally don't care anymore. If I can scrape together even a moderately meaningful existence out of this shit life for a decade, before my brain melts from meds, so fucking be it. Not being able to complete anything is absolute fucking misery and I'm done with it. Time to take legal meth

>>51355170
yeah that theory sounds interesting. but i kinda doubt it. talent is inherent fox exampel by most part (cognitive talent some are good
at math some are good at writing, musical talent, sports talent etc). it's very hard to teach things if there is inherent lack of talent which often companies lack of passion

>>51355258
>Low dopamine = being a bottom feeding NEE

not true. low dopamine equals adhd but most narcissist for example have low dopamine which give them driev to do things. high
dopamine is more typical for neets as then you lack energy and passion to anything. schizophrenia is high dopamine condition => extreme apathy. adhd people have cognitive problems but they do have energy typically and passion

>>51355285
I read a few books about talent as well, "Talent is Overrated" and "The Talent Code" and both made compelling arguments that talent is way less important than discipline and practice.

>>51355328
that is interesting theory too. but there are counter arguments, for example twin studies for musical abilities. most of it's actually inehrent talent. applies to most of things like cognitive abilities imo. this is reason why magnus carlesn reaches grand master at age of 13 for example

>>51351963
Just turned 26

I'm finally at the place where I've fairly good enough at programming and art where my games are starting to bear fruition

The almost 10 years of being a neet and practicing nothing but hobbies is finally paying off

>>51355367
There are counter arguments to the counter arguments, etc. etc. Personally I lean towards the discipline side simply because if both sides are making compelling arguments but one of them actually compels action from me I'm going to take that side because I'm already living the alternative and it's horrible.

>>51355285
You don't necessarily need talent to deliver workable products

>>51355322
It's all about novelty, and all of our brains react to different stimuli. Some ADHD patients can cope because what they do for work fires off enough dopamine to hold their attention. For others, a study day or working an 8hr shift are grueling, if not impossible tasks.
>but most narcissist for example have low dopamine which give them driev to do things

Not really true. Business elites, most of whom are at least moderately sociopathic (they need to be) have very high levels of dopamine. It's also important not to confuse high baseline dopamine with high dopamine spikes. ADHD patients have a dead baseline dopamine level
High baseline = high energy and drive to succeed, a healthy time perception, and a feeling that everything will be ok
High spikes = suppressed baseline dopamine levels (coomers, addicts, etc...)

>>51351963
>applying to a CS at the oldfag age of 28
applying to a CS what? Program, job, bootcamp?

I'm 30, been NEETing it up for almost a year, had to move back in with my parents at the start of August. Looking at getting back into school/in the job market, but it is looking grim.

>>51355480
Program, so working by 32 basically. Wagmi anon, keep your chin up. Research what is most in demand, then pick something there which seems tolerable to you

>>51352471
Wow. What were the foods? What were the symptoms?

>>51355588
>Research what is most in demand, then pick something there which seems tolerable to you
I think this is the best career advice there is out there

>>51355285
There's also hidden talent. IE. I know a guy who just picked up daytrading and is naturally good at it with little to no training

>>51355285
Talent is a meme. For example, Mozart didn't just become a legend out of thin air. His father was an amazing teacher and taught Mozart extensively starting from a very young age. He even taught him perfect pitch, something ancient normies believed was a blessing from god. Mozart's father also trained his older sister, someone who was so skilled that both prime Mozart and her father both praised her musical ability. A good teacher and huge amounts of practice make all the difference in a skill. Of course, some skills haven't been around hundreds of years, let alone decades. So they're harder to master.

>>51355643
If you zoom out the time scale it may turn out he just got lucky. I had a friend who quit his day job to daytrade because he started having massive success and he got liquidated in less than a year.

>>51353816
If you are smart enough you should do coding. You can self teach with disciple just like crypto. It will take you about 15 months of part time grinding to go from zero to job though. But you sound like a europoor which makes SWE even more attractive because you can break into remote roles and approach US salaries instead of your abominable UK salaries

>>51354434
>>51355590
I had issues with phenols in foods. I basically have to stick to just "plain" foods like unprocessed meats, rice, eggs, and lettuce. More info:

https://tacanow.org/family-resources/phenols-salicylates-additives/

It's a night and day difference. When I'm "reacted" I struggle with simple shit like eye contact (I physically CANNOT hold it), hearing what people say properly (have to keep asking), extreme social anxiety, stuttering, severe brain fog etc. It was an absolute nightmare. My whole life was basically at a standstill, as you can imagine. It was only when I started fasting and the symptoms went away that I knew I wasn't just permanently sperged. I'm approaching normalcy now.

I can't recommend Epsom Salt baths enough if you suspect you have issues with sulfation. It's also worth looking into gluten/casein as cutting these out helped the 'tism a lot too. Caseomorphins are a nightmare in sensitive individuals.

>>51355727
Looks like you'd be ok with blueberries too. Honestly any condition that keeps people from eating processed food is kind of a blessing in disguise, I've eaten like this for years. I recently got aboard the epsom salt train as well, no baths but I do mix 1/4 tsp in water and chug it every night before bed.

>>51355986
What do epsom salts do?

>>51356280
It's magnesium and sulfur. Magnesium is quite important for health and virtually everyone is deficient in it now since we've depleted our soils of it so supplementation is the only way to correct our fuckup.

>>51351963
sounds like a good plan anon don't give up faggot, you could be rich in 5 years

>>51356865
or just drink coffee with sugar and milk, a sweet cup of coffee provides 2x daily magnesium dose and provides glycine and sugars to manage hypoglycemic drop from caffeine and increased blood flow
supplement companies cut corners, I predict lots of revelations of microplastics and chalks found in the pills in a few decades

>>51355726
Im mexican. Your example still applies tho. What's SWE?

>>51352025
I moved out as a final "good faith" gesture to my mother for raising and supporting me for almost 26 years, nothing else. There is no other worldy motivation that will ever come close to the way I felt when I made the leap. Now I'm going to rot in my 1 bedroom apartment and die without a guilty conscience.

todays its been 5 years since I graduated college and entered neethood, I made in crypto last year what i could have made in a lifetime working. never give up and accumulate anon

Was a NEET off and on for years at a time, currently working full time, 29 in IT. A lot of my time spent being a NEET was mostly from putting off my responsibilities for reasons like "oh I can't do X yet I because registraction for classes doesn't start" or waiting a year because the retarded state I live in wouldn't count me as a citizen of said state (despite being born here) because I lived in a different state for a few months for college tuition purposes.

All of which were just excuses of course. Currently live at my mom's house though there's no real point in moving out. I pay my own bills, buy my own food, and keep the house cleaner than everyone else. If I were to move out the only thing that would change is I'd be on my own and paying another $1200/mo in bills to the rent jew. Of course in the 1/100000 chance I get laid and maybe have a GF I'll get my own place, but if the only purpose in moving out is the approval of others than fuck em, I'll keep stacking crypto and being a "loser" thanks. I'm glad I still have a good relationship with my mom and dad though, both of them actually prefer me to live at home because they get lonely, and I enjoy hanging out with them so why not.

There were many points in time in my life, in my 20s in particular that I felt lost, a bit hopeless maybe, and of course a loser (which I was, probably still am just less so). But it's looking up, I at least am now making slightly above average in my age group being in IT

That's just my blog post anyway

>>51351963
How do I overcome social anxiety?
I am scared of talking to people and can never think of anything to say.
My mind goes blank in conversations.
I just stand there silent and look like a retard.

>>51352886
Well well well, a fellow west coast sufferer. Thank god i dont live in portland but i dont enjoy the commute

>>51357013
You cant overcome it, you will slways have it. The best way to learn to deal with it though is by being forced into positions where you HAVE to talk to people.

>>51357013
Kindof off topic but I could recommend you develop a character that is able to engage in conversations and you internalize it.
Also read, How To Win Friends And Influence People. Its a basic primer on charisma.

Also, be mindful that people will be really hard pressed to remember your fuckups, the things you do or say, the same way you don-t remember theirs.

So, kinda learn that most people are so self-centered that you can probably say and do anything in good will and get away with it.

>>51357030
Where can I be forced to talk to people? I work remotely as a software engineer right now. Very little communication. After work I go lift weights. I've never talked to anyone at the gym. I have no other hobbies.

>>51357043
I've read that book but it doesn't really help. They say conversation should be 2/3 listening and 1/3 talking. But I have no idea what topics to talk about. I don't have anything in my life that I can share. I don't really have any thoughts of my own. I don't watch TV or read or pay attention to news or sports.

>>51354495
You basically destroyed your own life and you have only yourself to blame. You're living in a make believe world. Just shut the fuck up and get on with it

>>51357071
10 bucks say thats your lack of self confidence talking.
You could literally talk about how you learned how to talk by posting in an image board and the type of weird fucking people that post here, with some good anons.
What is a NEET
How did you overcome

Also, remember that everyone likes to talk about themselves.
You don-t have to know shit. Just Listen.
>Hey, so how did you came about working here?
>Wow, youre really good with people, how do you do that?
>Really? I would like to learn from you, I myself am a bit shy and introverted but Im working through it.

Open with a genuine compliment, and just pay attention. Pay actual attention, dont just stare at their eyes (fat chance lmao) or their tits.
Be present. Most people know a lot of things you dont and most have some kind of wisdom to offer, whether they realize it or not .

Youll flow into it anon. Just believe in yourself.

>>51355322
now do bipolar

>>51357168
>10 bucks say thats your lack of self confidence talking.
I have no self confidence at all. I am very insecure. My voice is weak. I studder and mispronounce words. I used to try talking to myself outloud to practice but I stopped. Its embarwssing because I think my neighbors heard me.

>>51351963
I sleep in a car, investing everyday

I am currently holding a full time job and basically like acmulating. I'm saving alot of money. I'm not worried about winter, I have some good gear.

>>51357013
Alcohol.
I drank a beer before interviewing for my current job, I don't think I would be employed if I hadn't

>>51357215
You owe me 10 bucks

Get to lifting, get to learning.
Self confidence is a cultivated skill, not something youre born with.
Quit making excuses.

>>51357091
>You basically destroyed your own life and you have only yourself to blame. You're living in a make believe world.

Noted but

>Just shut the fuck up

I'm physically incapable of doing this. Not shutting the fuck up is my most stable character trait.

>and get on with it

I don't know what this means.

>>51357272
based, one friend of mine lived in a car with only 700$ left before the bull mania in Q 2021, now he owns 3 apartments, NEVER GIVE UP MOTHERFUCKER. He grinded Defi protocols 24/7 with a shitty laptop in a cafe

>>51357286
I've been lifting for a year and make $190k a year at my job. I worked very hard to get it. I still have no confidence.

I've bottomed out several times in my life. Ended up living in my parents' basement and basically cut off from everything - a total disgrace and laughing stock to my relatives and friends of the family.
Now I'm living on my own, have a decent job, and a cozy 2 bedroom apartment in the heart of downtown. I'm a mgtow monk now but I've had girlfriends in the past and enough sexual experiences that I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything.
I'm just making an appearance here to show everyone who thinks they're totally fucked that it's not completely hopeless.
I made it out of that lifestyle, and if I can do it, anyone can.
So don't give up and believe in yourself. Be on your own side. It's a cruel world out there so do yourself a favor and learn to be a friend to yourself and, I can't believe I'm saying this on 4chan kek, but learn to love yourself.
Good luck anons

>>51357577
Having an apartment downtown is retarded, but good for you for feeling better about yourself. Sincerely, a 23 year old on the verge of retiring to coastal Mexico.

>>51357577
Post your age. I'd bet money you're under 30, dare I say even under 25.

>>51357505
You acquiescence to defeat before even trying. No wonder you keep on failing. Also, youre not a Neet, you literally have no excuse.
>>51357577
>I can't believe I'm saying this on 4chan kek
In todays sickening monitored and censored social media I'm happy to say that Ive met some of the most real and down to earth people (and feds) in 4chan.

Stay strong anons.

I was a NEET goony fuck until my 30s when I hit the wall.

Games, TV shows and movies weren't fun anymore. The tiny amounts of income I could make from home dried up. Most of the online places I hung out in turned into commie fagville and banned me.

Found God. Started lifted. Got a haircut. Measured all my food. Dropped 70 pounds. Used family connections to get a job. Slowly started building my skillset. Got more involved in my community.

Now I landed in a comfy office job and am engaged. Still live at home but wagie life with no real expenses is a clear improvement from spamming Amazon affilate links in the hopes I could get $400 of fun money for the month.

>>51356897
Software engineering

>>51351963
>moving out of a rent-free room

Lololol

>>51351963
>
What are you late bloomers coming out of your shells doing to move out of mum's basement and join society?
Kek nah I'm good, I'm just going to continue trading shitcoins and make mad gainz

>>51357818
how did you get over your inability to relate to other people and get a gf? i've got everything else down. i get numbers from women frequently. but, i don't know how to get excited to be around them. i don't even see them as sexual objects.