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>>51349964
I'm just surprised Volts can get up to 80k miles.
Those things are pieces of shit.

>>51349964
A Tesla battery costs about the same. So idk. But a broken battery on an ev is like a blown engine in a gas car. So yeah

>>51349964
total insanity lol. i could find half a dozen decent runners for that

>>51349964
just walk bro

>>51349964
ho no (((green energy))) is just another jewish scam? Who would've thought!?

>>51350037
Except that with electric vehicles that happens quite often, a blown engine in a gas car is one on a million.

>>51350037
a replace engine for my car cost 3000$

>>51349964
I've heard that with electric cars replacing the battery is basically the equivalent of buying a new car. What year is the car? How long have you had it?

>>51350037
clueless zoomer retard detected

>>51349964
holy fuck that battery cost asmuch as the most expensive car I ever bought (secondhand)(BMW420) also i sold it fuck driving. its pleb tier.

>>51350149
Per the VIN, it's a 2012 Chevrolet Volt 4 Cylinders 4 1.4L

>>51350120
Does it really tho? Modern cars are downsized shitboxes that blow up after five digit amount of kilometers driven for no reason

>>51349964
You could literally just buy another volt for less than that

>>51350170
clueless bommer retard detected

>>51350037
Pretty sure you can't get a functional battery for $100

>>51350216
Furthermore it gets 94 MPG. Was it worth the gas savings?
70489 miles / 94 = 749.88 gallons of fuel bought in 10 years.
Assume average price was $2.50 over the last 10 years.
$1874.70 spent on gas.
Now compare to a car that gets 24 MPG.
70489 miles / 24 = 2937.04 gallons of fuel bought in 10 years.
$7342.60 spent on gas.

So yeah, the guy saved $5467.90 on gas over 10 years... until he had to spend $29842.15 to replace the battery.

>>51349964
I could get like 5 new engines for my car for that lol

>>51350409
>So yeah, the guy saved $5467.90 on gas over 10 years... until he had to spend $29842.15 to replace the battery.
LMAO

>>51350222
Imagine if you had liquid cooling in your PC but instead of water you let it get filled with sludge, and you keep using it regardless then suddenly one day it fails and you go
>OH WOW HOW DID THIS HAPPEN
Properly maintained cars/engines should easily breach 300k.

$1,200 for labor? How hard can it be to change a battery, I do it all the time to my TV remote.

>>51350222
gas/diesel engines easily break 200k kilometers just by changing oil on time. Only people who are too retarded to maintain their cars have their engines blow up. Where as batteries degrade quickly no matter what you do.

>>51350498
Kek the funny part is they pay those guys less than 20/hr. From someone who has worked in a shop I can tell you labor charges are straight up gouging

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>>51349964
You could buy an old Porsche with that. At least you look like a douchebag in it. Fuck those EV cuck cars.

>>51350089
Yep and retarded bleeding heart virtue signalling NPC’s fall for the propaganda that all this climate green agenda bullshit is for the betterment of the Earth. I hate how Jews can just get anything they want by hiding behind the false mask of good intentions because 99% of humanity too stupid to see through it

>>51349964
Yes, planned obsolescence is the name of the game. You will rent your car in the future.

What a fucking scam. If a person was in a position where they had to replace a battery for a car and it costs more than 20k, they’re either just gonna sell it or junk it. If they sell it, would that person buying it even invest that much into a fucking used electric car? FUCK NO THATS FUCKING RETARDED AND THAT CAR IS JUST GONNA END UP TOSSED INTO THE LANDFILL

>>51350466
New engines build carbon no matter what

>>51349964
>>51350061
>>51350089
>>51350193
>>51350223
>>51350682
>I COULD BUY ANOTHER 4 1997 DODGE DURANGOS FOR THAT MUCH

>>51350037
I can replace the engine in my truck for $500, and my trucks current engine is at 300k miles with no signs of slowing down.

>>51349964
so i can either buy 2 to 3 used gas cars ot buy 1 (ONE) battery for an electric car. Or even better for that price you can buy 1 used gas car and have decades worth of the difference in savings between gas and electric right in your pocket.

>>51350037
Try finding an engine that cost $28k

>>51349964
>battery costs the same as two(2) brand new Mitsubishi Mirages, which come with like a 10 year warranty

>>51350770
Unironically it's a better investment than 1 Tesla

Damn. Might as well buy a new car at that poi- oh wait.. that is the point isn't it?

>>51350037
Bought a D17A1 and a K20A2 for like 3.5k (for both). Did the swap in my garage and took me about two weeks (could have done it waaayyyy sooner but was waiting on the BOV for the turbo I bought).
Overall, it cost about 4k max? With use of tools, oils/coolants, and other shit (had to switch mounts and buy custom wires).
I even rebuilt an Evo 6 for 10k, practically building an entirely brand new motor for it.
+30k for a battery, not including install/labor? You're insane.
Not only is the car not worth that, but the battery itself. You could literally buy a Type R, STI, or get a charger, challenger, or 5.0gt right out the lot for that price.
You'd have to be completely brain dead, or know jack shit about cars (like a woman), to fall for the EV meme.

>>51351346
Just to add to this:
My buddy opted for an LS1 swap for his 280z (which was a dumb move imo, but fuck it that's irrelevant). His entire swap, including an AM SC kit that was considered one of the top kits available (dude is pushing about 880hp to the wheel, not even at max) and the entire swap costs him 20k (he also needed stiffer coils, as the front end sagged and he was afraid the mounts would bust with bouncy springs on the front end).
So in reality, I'd say it was close to maybe like 16k or 17k (max). Which is a lot, but I can assure you it's worth every penny and he could sell it much higher than what he originally purchased it for (including all the mods and labor).
Now, that EV that OP posted? Hah, you'd be lucky to get 70% back of that battery price, and 70% is being extremely generous.
That just goes to show that EV (in general) is not worth the retail price, and I wouldn't be surprised if it costs about 1/3 of the price to build them. In fact, with those cars, I'd only buy them used (if I ever buy one) as they're not worth lot price.

>>51349964
average cost to replace an engine is between 4k-7k and that's if it's brand new

>>51349964
ah the real reason biden said we gotta switch to electric cars.... it'll be easier to rip people off and overcharge them for stuff like this and they wont be able to do a damn thing.

so much for saving money not having to buy gas

keep an eye on toyota, they're the closest to bringing solid state batteries to mass production, dyor. but as always with battery tech don't hold your breath either

>>51349964
Do electric cars really.......

>>51350409
You didn't even include the cost of the electric car either. If you buy a new ev it wouldn't make sense but maybe a used ev would be profitable? Like a used Prius vs a used gasoline car like a Civic? I'm interested what the numbers would be

>>51350223
>cost to replace out of production battery is extortion

Lmao cope harder gas retard, I’ll be driving to 40k miles and then dumping it for 15k profit

>>51350686
>Calls Elon Musk who's an Anglo Christian a Jew
Retard

>>51350716
Which will be fine for most people. And cars will be automated too.
Pretty cool if you ask me. The only thing i really care about owning is land and real estate. All the rest is a drag.

>>51349964
You vill purchase ze approved vehicle
You vill only use ze OEM battery
You vill not tinker with ze product

>>51349964
build a e-bike retard.
ebike gets 2,000 mpg-e
Teska only gets 100mpg-e


$100 for a new ebike battery

>>51352202
>riding down street on ebike like gigafaggot
>clonked on head by negro
>ebike gone
those ebikes also cost $5000

imagine riding around on a $5000 bicycle

>>51352284
you convert a regular bike. Theres plenty of free bikes at college campus that rich kids leave behind when they graduate. cost $300 to convert it into a ebike

>>51352284
$150 ebike
https://youtu.be/r12IrYTqvas

>>51350120
I'd like to introduce you to my friend that bought an 80k truck and blew the engine because he "forgot" to change the oil for 10,000 miles.

>>51349964
LMAO holy shit, I knew electric cars were ass, but I didn't think they were THIS scammy. You're literally working a year+ just for the battery on top of working a year or two for the car. And that's if you live with mother aka can save up disposable income. Fucking Jewish. What a total fucking scam. Holy SHIT

>>51350514
Yep, my golf 7 TDI hit 240k km just yesterday and haven't really had any extra costs with it, other than check ups every few years

>>51352132
Shut the fuck up, normie. He's in bed with kikes.

>>51351923
This. Fuck biden

>>51350409
its actually worse becuase he paid a premium to buy the EV car in the first place. It was a extra 10k on average for these compared to a regular honda civic

not to mention he could have invested that 10k in boring index funds and doubled it over the past 10 years.

>>51352396
>let's do it oursleves and put a $150 electric hand grenade below our balls
and what happens when you crash and eat shit on one of these things?

bikes crash far more than cars

>>51350686
Oil is gonna run out eventually, so the switch to green needs to happen eventually. I don't understand why this basic fact upsets people so much. Since we need oil for way more important things than to have fat Americans drive their 4-ton pick up trucks to the Walmart a mile away, I say fuck you and your cars.

>>51349964
lol they got bent over and raped. A volt battery doesn't cost anywhere near that, and the old battery will still have a lot of value.

>>51350754
Only DI ones with no port injection do, and you can pretty easily clean it up with intake cleaners, and in the worst case you can polish it like new with walnut blasting. You should look up how prone your engine is to valve carbon and work this into your maintenance schedule.
Many new engine designs are doing dual injection to resolve this. Port injection is used at idle (and it makes idle smoother too). The detergents in fuel melt carbon before it builds up.

>>51349964
Short term yes, pure Graphite Batteries are starting to hit the market, those won't be constrained by rare minerals and dificult production anymore.
Those will last forever, can get hot as fuck without damage and can hold massive charges compared to what lithium batteries do nowadays.

>>51349964
> $1,600 for Prius battery replacement
> https://greenbeanbattery.com/product/toyota-prius-hybrid-battery-2010-2015/
I've had mine for 12 years and spent nothing on maintenance averaging 50 mpg and no signs of needing a new battery.

>>51349964
Just grow a battery tree. Solar and battery tech is good for the environment so I assumed they were a natural thing.

>>51352723
If oil runs out, your fucked. No evs will save you for how much we use oil to produce our daily products. Gas cars can be made to run of alcohol, so they are a better option for some apocalypse situation

>>51352723
kek I remember in 2001 when they said we'd be out of oil by now

>>51350037
Except an engine is maybe 1/3 that ballpark

>>51350770
problem?

>>51350037
engines cost 2000-5000 bucks. you stupid retard idiot.

>>51349964
>roger
XD

>>51350970
The only engine that costs that much is in a fucking lambo. Any regular car you're looking at between $3-5k ... Truck engine could be the $8k-10k range

>>51350770
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Actually i could get 29, 97 durangos.

>>51353782
Maybe because it's a fucking petrol engine with a tiny battery and electric motor that only works up to 20 mph and has a 15 miles range or something ridiculous as such, and the rest of the time you just drive that extra worthless 200 kg around.