/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>51286971
what does this even mean? context? margin calls for whom

>zero hedge

worlds been collapsing for over a decade now.

>>51286971
They will rollback the trades just like sergey said they would.
Then we see some real shit

>>51286980
sellers of energy

>>51286971

>>51286971
and its early sept by winter you can put another zero behind that number or about 100% of eu zone gdp printed in a year
yeah btc/eth to the moon in eur terms

>>51286971
Imagine if 10% of that ends up going towards uranium over the next few months. Instant 10x in sector marketcap.

>>51287003
Don't you mean buyers? Or are you talking about carry traders?

>>51286971
I am sick of this niggers doomposting in the last thousand years....

>>51287285
>tfw been longing uranium for 6 months now

>>51287039
>people gambling in futures
>asking gov for bailout
How do I short leverage faggots

>>51287723
>>people gambling in futures
>people
desu it's probably your own bank where you have your money, so it's was your fault all along

>>51286992
kek. the world is always falling apart when you're bulgarian.

>>51287039
>>51286971

1,5 Trillion is only the margin or the full loan ?

>>51286971
fake tweet

>>51287723
>How do I short leverage faggots
if you're asking, kys

>>51287901
>>51287901
>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-06/energy-trade-risks-collapsing-over-margin-calls-of-1-5-trillion

>>51287995
>extend liquidity
is that jew speak for printing more monopoly money?

>>51287995
>European energy trading risks grinding to a halt
I mean it's already pretty fucked, right? it's not like it can get anymore fucked than it already is. And besides, Europeans can just cut down some trees and burn them for heat. Nothingburger.

>>51288018
yes.

>>51286971
In short what has happened is the projected price of energy has risen. Which means that firms with contracts to supply energy need a greater supply of liquidity available to guarantee the delivery of their contracts (i.e. if they had to buy energy off the open market).

Basically what will happen is energy supply companies will take out substantial loans to provide the liquidity that they need in reserve. Firms that meet their contract deliveries from their own assets will not need to draw on this reserve and the higher energy prices mean that things will largely balance out in the end.

This is not unexpected.

>>51287039
Holy shit GREGORY MANNARINO IS SO RIGHT. WATCH THESE JEW BANKERS CREATE MONEY OUT OF NOTHING FOR THIS PAYCHECK.
40% inflation this winter in Europe, CALLING IT.

>>51288176
>GREGORY MANNARINO
who?
>CREATE MONEY OUT OF NOTHING FOR THIS PAYCHECK.
can this work though, now that it comes to compete globally for energy? won't that just destroy the currencies?

>>51288176
>40% inflation this winter in Europe
Sire Turkey is part of Europe and it already has 80% inflation

>>51288456
They have been doing this for years it’s a debt based system LMAO. CENTRAL BANKS OWN US ALL.
One liquidity dries up it’s over, so they have to keep having reasons to create more money to keep the system running. Like Ukraine money, ‘green energy’ money, Chink/mutt virus care packages (like 70% of the money supply). All ‘investments’ into the future for some moral bullshit which give the central banks a reason to take on debt. It’s fake money. Debt will rise exponential together with inflation because that is the cost of debt. Inflation was held low due to low interest rates. It’s all manufactured.

>>51288488
Turkey is Muslim they’re retarded, but true. I guess lucky them they’ve already crashed lol. 40% INFLATION EUSSR.

>>51288488
What stuff in Turkey is going up the most?
>Especially anything domestically produced going up at over 100%

>>51288550
forgive all debt and ban usury, that should take care of the problem

>>51288575
Not happening.

>>51288606
>>51288575
Hyperinflation forgives all debt

>>51288828
In a way, but the downsides are so much worse lol. Although for me a collapse would be the best thing ever personally.
I thrive in chaos.

>>51287723
>gambling
Jesus fuck this board is retarded. They're actually using futures for their intended purpose, unlike the kikes who literally just use derivatives to speculate. The energy companies aren't tryign to make fucking money with derivatives, they're desperately trying to use them to not go bankrupt in this fucked up environment the government and financial system has created.

The kikes have eviscerated the entire energy sector.

>>51288018
yes + bailouts

>>51286992
hasn't it tho?

>>51286992
Yes, but unironically

>>51286992
The world ended in 2012 but you fags never even realized it

>>51286992
its on other websites too fucking blind retard

>>51286992
It has, the market was riding the coattails of 100 years of American industrial might(now gone) and USD printing since 2008 which is now no longer feasible without causing an inflation death spiral.
Did you think a country/world hegemon like America was going to be killed overnight?

>>51287039
>>51286971
Is this why EQNR is getting fucked hard today?

>>51288488
Turkey isnt in the european union...

>>51286992
Well yes, it *has* been collapsing for over a decade

>>51286992
>Implying collapse is an event and not a process

The truth is we never recovered from the 2008 recession. Just money printer and slapping a bandaid on these banker niggers.

And worst of all, they printed and handed out so much money, the niggers are getting uppity because they think theyre functioning members of society.

1.5 trillion is way to much to print away, where are they going to get that shit from?

It's like 5x norways entire GDP

>>51288828
It doesn't though. All fiat in existence is debt, which has to be paid back, even if it's hyperinflated. The only solution is negative interest rates. Do you understand why there is the push for CBDCs now?

>>51286971

>>51288456
the greg schtick gets a little old, but the man has got some points right ...
With that said, yeah one would think the breakingpoint in the system would be the currency eventually. So it would seem anyway.
-Which makes sense, as the US government under joe bedshitter has already signed executive orders on Government Digital Tokens and such. Glownigger government summits have been talking about crashing currencies over the world for a year or so now, so it wouldnt entirely surprise me if it happens and we replace the current system with digital tokens in a year or two. Doomsday scenario of course. I dont mean to be yet another one of these dumbass crash callers.... all im saying is, I think im going to buy some real things moving forward. Might even buy myself a house with my gains.

>>51287282
Delete this now.

>>51288085
After hyperinflation 1.5 trillion will be a nothingburger, correct.

>>51289383
>they're desperately trying to use them to not go bankrupt
And now they need a $1.5T bailout from the taxpayers. That worked out well, didn't it?

>>51286971
kino

>>51289383
Producers short, they shorted way too early and are now getting banged.

>>51293565
producers dont short sell they normal sell

>>51293681
Then how do they hedge? Aren't they margin trading? I'm no stockstrader, but commodityfag, still I imagine that these producers go short. How is the commitment of traders report to interpret otherwise?

>>51293772
bro
they produce gas then sell it
they dont need to hedge

>>51294093
They sell futures to fund operations. Doh.

>>51294135
that doesnt mean they sold short
they don't have to buy to cover the futures contract
at worst its like selling a cash secured put then getting assigned
unless the cost of production goes way the fuck up for some reason they can't lose money

>>51289829
>printing no longer feasible
Whoa bucko, the Fed's balance sheet is only $8.83 trillion, that's only ~40% of US gdp for one year
Don't worry, we'll show you unfeasible

I love the way everything is slowly collapsing the chaos will be glorious

>>51293192
When the new currency is rolled out, how will it be distributed. I doubt it'll he a one to one transfer.

>>51289383
to extrapolate on what this anon is saying, the purpose of futures is to 'lock in' a rate. supposedly, it's actually the only way airlines can maintain profitability, through locking in their fuel costs. the classic example: a farmer's crop is not finished yet, but he thinks the price right now is more than what he can sell his crop for when it's harvested. He shorts (sells) corn futures. When he sells the corn in real life later, he covers the paper short.

At this point, anything that makes the news I am skeptical of. It's probably a political chess move against Russia energy sellers. If the G7 boycotts energy purchases and the price skyrockets, the physical sellers who tried to lock in the current high price with futures have their trade move against them.

>>51295768
All your old wealth will be gone and you’ll own nothing. Just like when various countries have collapsed in the past. The elderly, infirm, and other burdens will all perish.

>>51287282
1987
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2008
2015
2022

>>51286992
you have to be 18 to post here.

>>51287723
You buy spot.

>>51296092
You need to chill out with that kike bashing!

>>51288828
>Hyperinflation forgives all debt
savers will rope

>>51287299
People who are long energy are getting liquidated and short seller chads are making trillions

>>51287282
you would have lost the 2020/2021 bull run selling in 2019