/biz/ - Business & Finance

We short Europe/USA, long Asia/Russia

>>51272335
Nothing of importance

it's now time to decide whether sanctions on russia over east ukraine (a russian speaking territory that has been in a civil war with the rest of ukraine for years) is worth the cost of germans freezing to death. they'll decide it is worth the cost.
>t-t-t-take that p-p-p-putin

1 ruble has been deposited in my account

>>51272335
russia still supplies gas through the ukranian pipeline.

>>51272395
spbp

>>51272352
you should be long USA, we're not really affected by the Ukraine war.

>>51272335
Pizzafag here, I fully support the Russian Federation to cut gas. Let this shitty union crumble upon itself

>>51272408
>is worth the cost of germans freezing to death
small price to pay

>>51272335
Does Putin realise he gets money from selling that gas to Europe? You can't just redirect a gas pipeline overnight

>>51272480
He is not going to redirect anything, he is simply going all in.

yurop is paying the price for burger shinanigans

>>51272335
it's frankly a very strange relationship he's conducting with the EU:

on one hand it's seems extremely obvious he is not willing to supply his enemies while they're supplying weapons that kill russians and imposing sanctions on him.

on the other hand, he is still trying, to the point of desperation, to sell the fucking gas, to the point it's still being sent through the ukranian pipeline (straight through war territory), and it almost sounds like the bullshit excuses he was giving about system failures and turbine malfunctions were actually legitimate, but since confessing to them would essentially confirm him as a massive cuckold to the west and russia as some bumbling incompetent idiots that can't even fix their own shit, he has to keep pathetically vacillating between saying it's counter-sanctions.

>>51272408
>germans freezing to death
FCUKING RETARDED TAKE
Im as you pro russian but the gas tanks are filling up even without Nordstream 1 and soon they will be ful

>>51272532
he's already went "all in" when he tried to blitzkrieg Ukraine. all of this is just dying empire convulsions.

>>51272480
This isn't about short term wealth, its about strongarming the EU into giving up regional power to Russia. Russia has no shortage of wealth

>>51272559
Full tanks last about one winter month

>>51272441
same, aquafreshnigger reporting. Increase the pain, I want a violent overthrow for these traitors.

>>51272335
they will pump my bags by printing even more fake moneys
kike gotta fabricate another fake outrage

Fact of the matter is that we can't just let Russia invade other countries. They wouldn't stop at Ukraine, they'd feel emboldened if the EU and the rest of the world just let them get away with it.
You have to make a stand, even if it's going to suck for a lot of people.
Disagree and you're an incel, simple as

based

>>51272335
I acually love this, Putin will ensure that greens are wiped off the political scene for next 10 years.

>>51272480
China is definitely backing Russia financially. And Russians are used to hard times. They'll be fine.

>>51272576
as if europe has sovereign government. USA does not give a single fuck of how much g*rmans are going to freeze this winter.
so ruskies are going to eat their babies, while europoors gonna suck USA cock.

Yuropoos become even poorer and freeze

reminder that US is the biggest benefiter of the ukraine conflict, its currently selling oil and gas to EU with the insane markup (LNG x7 higher than market price in US)


>>51272608
I wonder who can be behind this post

>>51272669
>incel detected

>>51272335
fuck russia and anyone defending them deserves the rope

>>51272608
you're filthy Polack or worse, a jew.

>>51272335
short Europe, long everyone else

>>51272608
cope tranny and kys.

>>51272706
I'm Norwegian.
And you're an incel

>>51272335
now china leans on taiwan and then when anyone complains about it, chinese ships moving russian LNG turn around and go back home.

>>51272718
>third incel detected
You will never have sex. And becoming a woman won't help you either.

notice how you three incels haven't made a single argument. Just name-calling. Pathetic vile incels who watch anime and play 'vidya'. Imagine how ugly you guys are. And probably short and fat as well.

Russians are behind trannies, SJWs, Antifa, etc. and have fomented unrest in Europe and America for over 100 years.

Based green movement shutting down nuclear and providing the ideological justification for austerity.

>>51272608
>They wouldn't stop at Ukraine
God damn you're so propagandized. Delusional.

>>51272725
>I'm Norwegian.
Hahaha. Makes sense now. All norwegians ive ever seen are autistic little screechers.
You're really a country of "special" people.

>>51272762
I can't believe some retard typed all this and didn't put a smiley face at the end.

Who cares if Germans freeze to death lmao what a shithole country. Yuros will do what they always do and address this crisis by importing more Muzzies

>>51272408
>1 ruble
Which is soon to be equal to 1 USD. Screencap this.

>>51272608
>you can't let people have a win where they're actually in the right because... THEY MIGHT THEN HYPOTHETICALLY DO THINGS THAT ARE BAD
You do get that even if that's the case, it's still immoral what the West is doing? You can make the case that Russia should fuck off from interfering in other countries' politics, but you can't also do that without criticising America's much more profound meddling in far more places across the world. Like, pick one.

>>51272766
Not. An. Argument.
>>51272784
>Not. An. Argument.
Screeching when someone doesn't agree with incel ideology. Present your arguments.
Little ugly incel creeps

>>51272335
I don’t know

>>51272794

I can't believe that you're the sperm that won.

>>51272480
clueless.
>>51272608
>other country
"ukraine" is the russian word for "border lands" because it's russian territory on the border to europe.
you can go make logical fallacies and ignore reality on >>>/pol/ but here we make money with factual information
>>51272669
that's only a top line figure, it's not actually that great for our companies.
>>51272698
unfortunately this mere opinion isn't going to help you do anything other than sit there poor and seething
>>51272755
>starts the name-calling
>can't deal with getting it back
pottery

>>51272335
Long nat gas futures.
Russia still sells to India which sells to the EU at an inflated price. No one will freeze because of this but prices will sky rocket.

>>51272725
Married with three Dutch children. Do better fisherman.

>>51272755
Around 80% of trannies off themselves before 40. R.I.P. YWNBAW

Unironically, the nuclear solution if the germans wants enough power to turn on the heaters or freeze to death

>>51272569
>tried to blitzkrieg
Yeah, while avoiding civilian casualties at expense of own people. True blitzkrieg was done by Germans and they killed anyone inconvenient.

>>51272762
Seek help. All the things you're describing are nurtured or run from Washington and Langley.

>>51272837
>2 rubles have been deposited into your account

>>51272842
>Dutch
You're balding. And your children have terrible hairlines. Seethe more

>>51272559
Lol retard. You think the tales will last you long?

>>51272480
he gets the same amount of money by jacking the price x10 and shipping a tenth of the amount

>>51272430
>We

>>51272335
>until sanctions are lifted
that means the sanctions are working, right bros?

>>51272352
/Retard

Short Japan, long Korea, long China, long Russia, short Germany, long Scandinavia, long USA, long Brazil, short Canada.

>>51272864

>>51272852
>lost 1k tanks and who knows how much ivans while annihilating Mariupol city and raping Bucha civilians
w-we are just trying to preserve civilian casualties! y-you just wait!

>>51272335
>hehe it was an accidental fucky wucky
>actually, fuck both of us
madman

>>51272569
>you were told about maskrova
>it was explained clearly all through trump's presidency specifically because left-wing media accused the entire right of falling for it
>you were told he would feint for kiev
>you knew the ukranians could not split forces as they would suffer defeat-in-detail, it happened anyway
>you watched it happen with real-time maps that you yourselves made
>ukraine army now needs billions in US support just to cling to survival
>"that's not what happened, this is what happened"
fully demoralized.
i'll never understand why americans or europeans care so much whether ukraine is a russian territory or not. it has been for so long. they still have no unique language or culture; they are not more than 5% differentiated and have spent decades not even trying to become differentiated. the idea didn't come to them until, after a decade of shelling innocent civilians in a separatist area, they finally got picked up and belt-whipped by dad.
>>51272864
>no argument
i accept your concession. maybe you will win one against someone stupider, someday.

>>51272608
I prefer to speak Russian than live with niggers and shitskins in globohomo world, so fuck off.

>>51273004
Go there then, incel.

my toaster broke this morning
I bet you putin was behind this

>>51272983
> starts a war near eu borders
>i'll never understand why americans or europeans care so much
everyone knows about your fetal alcohol syndrome, vasya. its ok if you never understand why you are so fucking poor

>>51272926
>reee they destroyed city where forced deliberately were placed to put russians at disadvantage
>ahahaha, they lost tanks because of javelins we keep sending them
If nazis and euroshills surrendered nothing would have happened. They did not and you actively support further escalation and deaths.
Implying that Putin would take over or annihilate neighboring country is peak retardation. You DO realize there's life after war? You DO realize that countries won't support openly hostile country? You DO realize there is power balance with China and US? So before you spew out any more garbage try to think outside your tiny box, retard.

Pro-Russian posters are Pakis just trying to make a buck.

haha worthless euro soifaggots
I don't even like russia but seeing you weak cattle faggots get btfo is simply the best. maybe if you guys pay more carbon taxes,everything will get better!! hahahahaha heat your shoebox apartments with matchsticks! you're literally the new age commie-bloc slaves :)

>>51273111
Checked.
Germany might use a certain alternative fuel source though, if they close borders quickly enough.

>>51272926
They attempted to do it as a mostly bloodless operation, and then the Zelly regime and the US chose to make it into a protracted urban war where the line between civilians and combatants was intentionally blurred as much as possible by the Ukrainian side. You can't use civilian areas to fire artillery from, use civilian vehicles to transport personnel and arms, fight inside cities rather than outside cities, try (mostly unsuccessfully) to get civilians doing partisan war etc. and then whine when the Russians hit some (far fewer than they could) civilians by accident.

>>51273088
>loses european energy(and any other) market
> muh power balance, glorious putin is not retarded faggot!
vatnig, chill. your inbreed country is about to end.

>>51273048
this is what i mean -- that's factually wrong. shelling civilians for years is, de facto, the start of the war.
you cannot make money with such blind rage.

>>51273204
>implying europoors won't buy the same gas from india at higher price

>>51272352
Short Europe/Russia, long Asia/USA

>>51272983
>>you were told about maskrova
>>it was explained clearly all through trump's presidency specifically because left-wing media accused the entire right of falling for it
>>you were told he would feint for kiev
>>you knew the ukranians could not split forces as they would suffer defeat-in-detail, it happened anyway
Source on any of this? This is actually new information that I haven't heard if not pure vatnigger propaganda

>>51273219
> 8 years
you know that its a meme in RUnet? of course you know.

>>51272408
>>51272441
>>51272559
>>51272669
>>51272706
>>51272718
>>51272837
>>51273182
Delusional Judeo-Russian russophiles. Cooperation with Russia has always led to disastrous results for Europe, and it was disastrous in the past decade. You should have worked out alternative energy routes in advance rather than starting to think about them just now. You're WEAK.

>>51272608
>>51272608
Fact of the matter is that we can't just let the west overthrow governments on our borders, nurture ISIS wannabes there with funding, weapons, training and access to intel, then promise to accept them in NATO.

>>51272335
Now Russia goes bankrupt and becomes a failed state.
Putler will lose.

There's nothing more pathetic than Eurofags asking for a "reset" with Russia. You are cuckolds, you are simps. Just like Obama. When Europe cooperated with Russia, Europe was also importing foreigners and celebrating homosexuality. Russian gas is a satanic poison.

>>51273414

>>51273417
based and wef pilled, europoors should import LNG just like nips

>>51272762

>>51272335

Putin is fucked. Europe is going to have a rough time but it's massively accelerating energy independence now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce5TR-qWCk4

>>51272335
Why is Russia and China so much smarter than Pigskin countries?

>>51272441
why do italians always have the most retarded alignment every war ever
italy’s 2 hours of work and 7 hours of sleep a day is only made possible by the EU

There were similar situation in 1973 when ar*bs were upset that west supported Israel, so they cut petroleum to west. It was hard for the west, but it pulled through.

>>51273335
Look at this nigger. It is exactly because EU did not cooperate with Russia that they are in this predicament.
Reminder that Russia wanted to join the EU, but the germans didn't let them because then they would loose their dominant position (which they did anyway lmao)

>>51272762
it doesn't really matter who is trying to mindfuck you. as long as you're aware of it happening you can avoid such people and their arguments.

>>51272879
... you do realize that he is selling it at a DISCOUNT to PAJEETS?

also that the ruble is artificially inflated because it is no longer traded publicly?

>>51272335
More losses

>>51274003
letting russia into the eu would be idiotic, idk if you're some kind of putinbot but that would cause way too many logistical problems. plus i doubt russia would listen to brussels anyway just like poland and hungary ignore them but worse

>>51272335
Eurocucks freeeeeze lmaoooo

>>51272395
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>51272335
Poorupe comes to the negotiation table and signs whatever Putler puts in front of them.

>>51272352
>Europe/USA
>he doesn't know
Protip: War in yurop means yuros value the U.S. military and in turn American bonds more which enables the U.S. to print more free money.

>>51272335
EU lifts sanctions claiming some "objective achieved we dealt with putler" or similar bullshit, gas flow is resumed and everybody forgets this dickswinging ever happened

>>51274003
>It is exactly because EU did not cooperate
Oh, it did. EU has been Russia's bitch since the dawn of time. Otherwise, why haven't eurofags figured out alternative energy routes in two fucking decades? They unironically fell for the idea that Russian oil and gas mean communism, that's why eurofags started to fill their countries with shitskins and celebrate homosexuality instead of prepping for contingencies.

>>51272335
The world is LEAD by retards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethyllead#Phaseout_and_ban

>>51272464
Something tells me Putin cares more about German lives than the German politicians

>>51272559
>soon they will be full
Who’s supplying them? Europe can’t, Saudi Arabia won’t, the US won’t, so who will?

>>51272812
Your's wasnt either.

You have no basis for your claim either. if anything he was more right about you than your right about your claim.

>>51274405
bingo

>>51272335
gas storages full + france just announced they are re-launching are nuclear power
plants they had shut down previously. there will be soon plenty of energy around and putin with this ensured germany will now aid ukraine more

>>51272335
no tanker with russian oil will make it past europe
piracy and privateering are coming back
imagine thinking that you can use maritime trade with no navy to support it

>>51274344
That doesn't make sense

The reason the United States CAN print money is because the USA is the only country in the world that can print money to pay for debts with new issued debts.
Every other country has to buy USD to print their own national currency.

The only reason Americans don't feel the inflation from their debt is because ALL other countries have to deal with America's debt.
It's why US can print 40% of it's USD in circulation and not get 40% inflation which would be fair.

If the reserve currency dies the United States becomes like every other country, only worse because it'll just be a giga shithole with inflation

>>51274240
Not only are you a nigher but you're a shill too
>I doubt russia would listen to brussels
Take a look at the counties who listen to brussels and tell me how that's a good idea
>>51274447
Because they bought cheap resources from someone who could sell does not mean cooperation, especially considering the fact that the EU numerous times provoked Russia. EU was and still is developing alternative routes, it's just that no one can match the quantity, quality and price of Russian resources.
>eurofags started to fill their countries with shitskins and celebrate homosexuality
I wouldn't care what happens in western EU, but they tried to push all this on the entire eastern EU, Russia and beyond.

>>51272480
Russia sells cheap gas and the failure was confirmed by siemens

>>51272548
What a stupid fucking take. Just fuck off

>>51272669
Exactly. If US cared that much they'd be subsidising LNG shipments to Europe instead of profiteering

>>51274405

>>51272335
Not much for the Europe, but for Germany with their massive incompetent is it disaster.

>>51272430
US is tripping all over itself to get involved and face some kind of consequence. They'll find a way.

>>51274977
Reading this thread has amazed me that I'm in the minority in thinking Russia has kind of fucked up here, despite EU gayness,
But it's incredible how pigheaded we are about being anti-nuclear power purely because it doesn't have the cuddly PR of solar. Hopefully this is waking the baby.

>>51272535
europe are in on it too, they also heavily sanctioned russia
>https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/sanctions/restrictive-measures-against-russia-over-ukraine/sanctions-against-russia-explained/
and they blame putin for it, it's really pathetic

>>51275025
I think most "green" politicians are financed by Russia.

>>51275074
the US is the dog, the EU is the tail

>>51272608
>Russia yearly military budget: $60B
>US + NATO yearly military budget: $1.2T
Russia are outspent 20-1 by Western powers you fucking retard. This has to end diplomatically because the only alternative is nuclear warfare. There will be widespread riots in Europe when people are no longer able to afford to simply exist

>>51272762
Yes, those (((Russians))) have declared an outright war against Whites.

>>51275025
Where do you live to think this?

I live in the UK. I can't speak for mainland Europe, but the prognosis here is absolutely grim. On the face of it, it looks like Europe can just build out and switch over to LNG imports, start fracking, and dig up some coal over a year or two, and then build out nuclear longer term, NBD, right?

The issues here are: Governments at both the national and supranational (EU) level are married to green initiatives, despite utter ambivalence outside of the 'elite'. As an example, in the UK, there is a de facto state sponsored eco-protest group, Extinction Rebellion. They recently invaded parliament- any other group would have been gunned down for doing so. We are also undergoing a demographic transition, with our workforces shrinking every year- this makes it hard to find workers for a big eco build-out, fracking, etc, never mind a national nuclear program. There is also a lack of skilled workers for a similar reason- with the exception of Germany, most of Europe has abandoned much of their manufacturing base. Young people read degrees in visual design and work in cafes, they don't read engineering and train as welders. Europe tends not to attract skilled migrants, further contributing to the problem. There is also a lack of capital for investment, due to punishing pension bills, aging out of working populations, and restrictive financial practices designed for redistribution and preserving property prices ahead of productive investment. Even ignoring Ukraine, politics are explosive for a whole number of reasons. In the UK there is the continuing fall-out of Brexit, regional poverty, class divisions, taxation that favours a rentier economy, dissent over mass immigration. Finally, leadership talent is just hard to come by. A mammoth financial sector sucks up anyone with serious drive and ambition, and those that don't end up there tend to emigrate. This is even more pronounced in many Mediterranean countries.

>>51275301
Judeo-Russians are currently killing Whites, so yes, they did. Unironically.

>>51272335
the eu will starve and let its citizens freeze. that'll show the russians!

>>51274549
>the US won’t
why won't they wtf I thought we were friends

>>51272480

The other 75% of the world aside from North America and Europe is still buying from Russia. And higher gas prices means that Russia can sell less for the same profit despite logistical challenges.

>>51275330
Gas was a major driver of the Russian economy and they've lost their by far biggest customer. To pretend it won't hurt then is naive.

It's certainly not going to result in putin losing power, it's almost certainly not going to push the EU to negotiate either though.

The question is whether the pain will be worse for Europeans or Russians and I'm not at all sure it's the latter.

>>51272352
This. Europe is going to have to capitulate. They are not prepared with sufficient alternatives to hold out.

Can't Russia just trade with other countries and then get whatever they need that way?

>>51275511
Most Russians are accustomed to hardship, most Western Europeans aren't. I think it's pretty easy to see who will break first. Depending on the internal strength of the Russian government and Putin's support network, I think Russia can endure long.

>>51275519
>Can't Russia just trade with other countries and then get whatever they need that way?
Sort of while at the same time no - before Japan would trade indirectly with China via Korea (or Taiwan I cant remember) because China completely shut down all communications with Japan for a period of time ... Today Sanctions are different and include indirect trade if a country like USA find out - they can simply seize those assets

>>51275585
What if Russia trades with China for the western goods that Russia needs?

Not that the west produces anything these days. I think Russia can endure forever

>>51272395
Spbp
Vatnik faggots are spilling over from /pol/ and /k/

>>51272430
>we're not really affected by the Ukraine war.
T. brainlet white trash that believes the oil prices will last on this level.

Wait till inflation comes back with a vengeance
and all risk assets (including your dogshit crapto) will be worth 0 real quick

>>51272395
>this is fine
top kek lmao even

>>51272335
I still believe Russia will lose out in the end. Last few month's progressions is vapor in the grand scheme of things.

>>51275674
>extremist backlash

>>51275537
>Depending on the internal strength of the Russian government and Putin's support network, I think Russia can endure long
Both of those are dogshit though

Russia is a post soviet state that opened its economy but failed to modernize its institutions, it's jails are already full of dissenters.
And the eurocrat elites have shown that they are willing to completely ignore public protest and label millions of their own people as enemies of the state. Meanwhile usa is completely unaffected by any of this and the Fed fiat ponzi definitely has a longer lifespan than either EU or Russian resolve.

Germany and the EU don't decide when Ukraine surrenders, USA and nato do. And it appears they're willing to let Europe collapse completely rather than compromise

>>51275674
>make your people choose between deep freeze and bankruptcy inducing costs to keep their homes heated
>call them extremists for complaining

>>51275699
>I still believe Russia will win in out the end. Last few month's progressions is vapor in the grand scheme of things.

>>51275727
it's already happening and it's not even winter yet

>>51275764
>far-right and fringe political groups including the Communist party

>>51275748
What's to keep Russia from extreme measures like bioweapons? They can get away with nearly anything since they have nukes.

>>51275488
Just ignore the fact that other 75% buys a fraction of the volume that Europe did. What other country has the appropriate infrastructure already in place to receive pipeline gas from Russia at short notice?

>>51275537
I agree with anon. It's not necessarily a moral superiority, just a case of Europeans having so much further to fall. They are also very few governments in Europe that were popular even before the war.

>>51275025
You have a lot of waking up to do. Good luck.

russian niggers are the worst. nuke moscow now and stop shitting up this board, vlads. you will suffer the worst.

>>51275748
>And the eurocrat elites have shown that they are willing to completely ignore public protest and label millions of their own people as enemies of the state.

I agree, but- Europe (with the possible exception of France?) doesn't have the vast internal security apparatus that Russia has access to. Again, looking at the UK, we really struggled to deal with relatively localised rioting in the 80s (Miners' Strikes), completely buckled to rioting in the 90s (Poll Tax), and only dealt with relatively minor riots in 2001 and 2011 by concentrating all of the available police for the entire country in one place. Despite technology, the police force has not gained in brute force and repressive power since then (if anything, the opposite, for ideological reasons). And the small military that it has is supposed to be preparing to fight Russia. I suspect the same is true for most other European nations. It's not obvious to me that real dissent can be beaten down that easily. Particularly if, as seems certain, it's paired with industrial action and the chaos caused by energy shortages.

what is the play other than removing sanctions against Russia and opening Nordstream 2. Building renewable infrastructure such as nuclear takes year of planning and construction

>>51275819
yes, it's like both nazis and commies like hot water

>>51276080
i guess the plan is to reduce energy usage, import as much LNG as possible, and nuke the german industry in the process

otherwise to start burning coal like maniacs, but coal is expensive in the market, and not sure if Europe has enough good quality coal by itself

>>51275924
okay pedro juan martinez thank you for your input

>>51276118
Actually Europe has tons of coal, but it's illegal to dig it up because it's bad for the environment, so instead they buy it from third world countries with no environmental protection and ship it around the world

>>51272335
GREENIES, YOUR PROGRESSIVE ENERGY POLICIES AND FAILURES ARE YOURS TO OWN UP TO. IN THE MEANWHILE, IT'S TIME TO PAY UP.

>What happens now?
Europe freezes and fades further into irrelevance/vassalization.
In short: nothing.

>>51276164
as far as i know lignite is garbage, so only Poland has real coal, but they seem to have a lot so that would be good

>>51275519
no because russia needs money to trade with other countries to get whatever they need, and the only way russia can get money is by selling gas and the only infrastructure that exists to do that is for europe

>>51276125
Shitskins love Russia because it stands up to "western white patriarchy". Russia haters, unironically, are the whitest people on Earth.

>>51272335
>what happens next
EU blames everything on someone/something else.
and continues to demand impossible things like an illogical woman

>>51276219
polish coal is pretty crap - high sulfur content and they need to dig deep so its so expensive it's actually cheaper to import coal from australian strip-mines

>>51276165
/thread

>>51276309
i thought it was garbage, but i guess lignite can be used for energy production, so maybe europe can be saved with coal burning, germany and czechia have a bit >>51276219

>>51276225
>and the only infrastructure that exists to do that is for europe
Source?

>>51272335
this pic should the zustin powers o e million dallars pose with the pinky on his chin, a boyish, smirking grin and the mischievous gleam in his eye

>>51272408
>1 ruble has been deposited in my account
Will be more worth than an euro soon enough.

>>51276080
It's going to be very difficult for Europe to build that infrastructure without drastic political change. They can't just magic the skills and workforce out of nowhere, and the places that might support it are either now increasingly enemies (China for nuclear and renewables) or undergoing major reindustrialisation and using all of their existing talent (US for fracking, probably France for nuclear). Europe will have to start forcing young people to do relevant STEM degrees and trade training.

It's the same for everything: fracking, coal mining, nuclear power... if a continent of 700 million people wants to do all those things at once, the skills are far too scarce.

>>51272335
Non-trivial chance of WW3. We all know what war does for markets...

>>51276589
What are they going to pay all these 999IQ stem niggers with?

Magic Beans?
Efferium?

So at this stage whats stopping everyone from just attacking and demolishing russia as a state?

>muh nukes

Its proven Russia doesnt have brand new tech that can deal significant damage to any significant countries. They could ostensibly nuke slovakia or some shitty EU nation but thats just further cassus belli for NATO to just dismantle russia as a state

>>51272416
>russia still supplies gas through the ukranian pipeline.

Honestly unthinkable to me why Putin hasn't shut off any gas supplies to the country HE IS AT WAR WITH, and not destroyed their economy.

No idea what he's thinking. Trying to win the hearts and minds of idiotic Ukropiggies?

>>51276633
Just print the money bro

>>51275674
>People rally to throw out parasitic, Jew-run governments that are captive to the US-ZOG war against Russia
>Extremist backlash

Lol. Will (((they))) ever understand the legitimate reasons for hatred against them?

>>51273088
you do realize Putin has constantly said that he wants to return the soviet borders?

That doesn't work in Europe

see >>51274742

It works in the united states BECAUSE we offload our debt to Europe.
Who are they going to offload their debt to?

Mumbai?

>>51276671
>that are captive to the US-ZOG war against Russia
Why did you conveniently fail to mention that Russia, at the same time, is waging war against White people through its fake communist "people's republics"?

Thanks Europe, now i can be even poorer with new electricity/gas prices !

>>51272335
No you faggits freeze to death for orchestrating the great reset without even scaling it properly
>simple as
See ya lata

>>51276730
>Ukrops
>White people

Russia and Ukraine are racial trashcans. A mix of snub-nosed pink-skinned potato farmers, Jews, Azeris, Mongols, gypsies and Tatars.

Not anything remotely considered "white", now get your head out of your ass you stunted polcel, genocide of "MUH HWYTE RACE" is the absolute LAST thing happening over there currently.

If you wanted to do something for the HWYTE RACE, why haven't you started a family yet? Faggot, incel.

>>51272842
Unrelated to topic, but why are you married to three dutch children?

>>51272608
the moment they role onto EU territory it's an all out war

>>51273335

>>51276633
Well, yes, exactly. Things that were previously a priority- welfare, elderly healthcare, diversity consultants- would have to be put on the back burner so that limited resources can be turned to the issue of survival as a first-world society.

I don't disagree with anons here who say it can be done. I just don't think EU and UK currently have the necessary politics and culture. Anyone who thinks it's a cass of 'just grant permits to frack and dig coal lmao' really don't get it.

>>51276648
I know it's popular here and elsewhere online to claim that they don't, but it's very likely that Russia does have a capable nuclear force.

Their relevant agencies (Rosatom and the like) never lost funding in the 90s. I believe they were actually funded by the USA for the longest time post-USSR collapse, because they preferred doing that to the alternative of Russian atomic scientists plying their trade across the world. So they have continuity of workforce and skills.

>>51272480

>>51272576
>Russia has no shortage of wealth
It's quite literally one of the poorest country in Europe with the GDP of Italy

>>51274204
>source ukrainian armed forces
Lol

>>51272576
Putin is literally begging to stop the sanctions. Joker

>>51272852
Vatniks really believe this shit?

>>51276651
Because the murder-suicide of the entire western world is planned and putin isn't an independent actor

>>51272608

>>51275659
AGREE BROTHER, THESE WORTHLESS GEN Z DON'T KNOW SHIT

- RICK

>>51272335
Regression to the mean. So maybe the next Minsk agreement. EU will face a few years of recession. US will be fine.

>>51275819
The growing pro-heat alliance

>>51272441
Jup let it fall and let Luna rip. God will prevail.

>>51272559
nigger you dont understand
every winter the gastanks gets low while the pipeline is full open all time
full gastanks doesnt mean its enough for winter

>>51272548
Brah he doesn’t care either way go jerk off to CNN hit pieces about trump.

>>51274101
He knows they'll be a superpower in just 8 years and they're not going to forget him when they reach the top.

>>51272335
"America will be more than to fund the Ukrainian conflict down to the last Ukrainian and German. It's good for business after all."

>>51276788
Based dubs

>>51272648
>so ruskies are going to eat their babies
Russia is fully self sustainable in terms of basic needs goods

>>51274720
>no tanker with russian oil will make it past europe
>piracy and privateering are coming back
>imagine thinking that you can use maritime trade with no navy to support it
The absolute state of redditors

>>51276648
>Its proven Russia doesnt have brand new tech that can deal significant damage to any significant countries. They could ostensibly nuke slovakia or some shitty EU nation but thats just further cassus belli for NATO to just dismantle russia as a state
Yea lets coinflip nuclear annihilation
the iq

>>51272548
This is so unbelievably based.

>>51276651
because the gas oligarchs would sooner have his head on a plate than he cut off their income. Do you think putin is some independent god king of Russia? Even he bows to the real powers, and they tolerate his pet projects, if only barely.

>>51272697
You’re using the wrong lingo glowie. Lurk moar faggot.

>>51272335
cletus from alabama predicted 15 out of the last 0 EU collapses

>>51276651
1. money, gas has to go somewhere. And no, there is another gaspipe to China and selling oil currently nets more profit for RF
2. Ukranian pipeline goes through eastern europe instead of directly to germany, which is west. Obviously west always had the last word in terms of imposing sanctions.
And it would be easier to demonize RF If the supply stopped completely.

>>51280661
forgot pic

>>51276788
This 100%. The shills are so blindingly obvious.

>>51277899
What you fail to appreciate is the critical nature of Russian exports, which Europe is learning about now.
GDP doesn't tell the whole story. According to GDP, a gas refinery and a tranny writing a blog about dildos both count as "production" but back in reality we know that one of those things is actual industry and the other isn't.

0.38 kWh even with gas shortage in my country. Stop spreading FUD

>>51272352
>Long Asia/Russia
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
SURE THING RETARD

>>51272352
>Long the 2 economies collapsing as we speak
Do it faggot. Lol

>>51272408
> the cost of germans freezing to death
Yes

>>51280876
>You see Russia's economy is strong because it's completely reliant on exports
Fucking lol. Ivan's everyone

>>51272879
No he doesn't retard. He is forced to sell at a discount now. He sells less and for far cheaper.

>>51272608
I can already smell NATO hands wrote this ugly ass post, inflation got us in europe, but nigga aint paying that electricity bill for muh russians

>>51272335
We stay warm by sharing our homes with immigrants. Collective body heat will keep everyone warm enough and we will show Putler that love wins. All you need is blankets, bodies, and intimacy every night.

>>51281308
>NOOOO YOU NEED OUR GAS YOU NEED IT YOU CAN'T JUST NOT BUY IT
Lol Ivan really is just a smelly jew. I am happy they are getting BTFO

>>51272335
we have cold showers and cold houses for a few months, I'll be wearing warmer clothes personally

>>51276309
plus our mining industry, the publicly owned part, is currently being irreversibly plundered in a wide campaign of liquidations
supposedly the mines are not profitable
they were heavily mismanaged, of course

>>51273665

Because italy will always survive by finding a new host to parasite off of. They position themselves accordingly

Move to China or Russia if you wanna live teh good life

>>51281285
Look at the current account surplusses, Russia is making more money than ever
Said surplusses are enough to cover fully cutting the gas to Europe until at least march 2023

>>51272922
lmao what is happening to the fag flag the past few years
soon the rainbow will be totally covered and will be free to be used by god again

>>51272335
SAGE

>>51275110
Not most, just a few NGOs, it wasn't even much money
Still, shows how "green energy" works for Russia's interests, this was known like a decade ago and you can trace similar tactics to Soviet years, despite that people will claim muh russian disinfo due to the whole orange nigger thing and double down on retardation
Europeans deserve getting destroyed by the mutt grand plan with vatniks as their executioners

>>51282093
>Russia is making more money than ever
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>51272441
>Let this shitty union crumble upon itself
then you would have to pay real interest for your debt

>>51282453
Yeah, they will collapse in 4 days anon, they don't have weapons, soldiers, nor food, believe the UK MoD just 4 days more since early march

>>51272548
you should get a job in a western government. you sound about par for the course

Is there a ruble stablecoin I can invest in and a wallet?

>>51272335
Test

>>51272905
And the UK?

>>51272633
Few get this. Greens policies have absolutely BTFO the euro. They're very quick to outsource their problems and now they're to sleep in the bed they made

>>51281285
>He is forced to sell at a discount now.
How does that work? Eu fags send money and Russia fags pump as much gas as they want, eu cant force them to pump extra

>>51284211
india has finally caught on to the fact that nothing makes to/from china/russia without floating by them so they are playing both sides and playing arbitrage by reselling russian petroleum

>>51272335
This was the last thing Russia could blackmail the west with outside of nukes.
Putin is probably panicking over Ukraine or their own economy to play this card so early

>>51283941
I dunno. We watched the Greenie economy minister in krautland tell a town hall meeting that they are sticking to the Merkel 5-year plan to shut down their remaining nuke plants on fucking December, thereby losing 13% of their capacity in the dead of winter.... and no snap elections, no riots, no nothing.

>>51284494
I read it the same way

>>51272335

>>51272335
Bitcoin unironically saves the day by burning the last fuel up and forcing us to come up with something better. Prove me wrong.

>>51272352
Show me your holdings in Chinese/Russian assets.

>>51276349
the shittier the coal the more energy it has trapped as VOC's germany has shitty "brown" coal

>>51272548
how did you find this board? did someone on yahoo news posted a link in comments?

>>51285664
>the shittier the coal the more energy it has trapped as VOC's
explain please, i assume VOC is Volatile organic compounds, but what you mean shitty coal has more energy? i thought shitty coal would have less carbon content that can be combined with oxygen to get back energy

>>51272608
>Disagree and you're an incel, simple as
>Incel is when somebody disagrees with me or says mean things ,even if fuck 10000 women everyday

why are glowniggers so stupid?
being part of Niggers and Trannies Organization (NATO) gives brain damage
just kys glownigger trash

Verification not required.

>>51273111
I don't really care about Jewkraine but Americunts are the ones giving orders
to my fucking government (Germany)so if this shithole wasn't a puppet of washington, this shit would have ended already.

Fuck Jewlensky
Fuck Trannies and Niggers org (NATO)
Fuck the Jewropean Union
Fuck Biden
Fuck Niggers
Fuck trannies
Fuck kikes
and fuck jannies

but also fuck again americunts, you are to blame for holding europe hostage with your blackmails

>>51272633
pretty sure putin bankrolled the greens in the first place lol

>>51275674
>impose sanctions on russia
>your own people to freeze and starve
>call them extremists for complaining
how is it possible that white liberals in every country feel a stronger affinity for heckin ukrainis than their own destitute family members?

>>51272335
Nothingburger.

>>51272335
nothing will happen ever

>>51272352
I move over to crypto payments. Fiat is worthless now. I remember Utrust allows Ukrainian citizens to use the crypto payment platform for free.
>Iran uses crypto payments too

>>51272633
if we were in renewables as deep as greens wanted there would be no energy crisis.

>>51285784
not more energy density just more energy in the form of gas so its less dense(less carbon) and more complex to burn to actually capture energy and use it

>>51275537
>Most Russians are accustomed to hardship, most Western Europeans aren't

Russia always was a shithole and we are transforming it in something even worst for the next 10 years causing a problem to Europe that, besides is a considerable problem, will be overcome / solve in a short spam of time.

>>51277899
This.

>>51272335
the proles continue their mass protests and as a result the govt(s) admit it is a proxy war and no one really gives a fuck about Ukraine.

>>51285952
fuck this, fuck that, fuck my mom...
relax edge cringe boy. dollar milkshake will keep going and unless someone have balls to nuke each other, the story will end pretty bad for russia and china.

>>51286081

>>51272926
kek, russains are pure evil and about the whole world knows this. this is why russias only freind is north korea

>>51275819
kek, let them freeze to death

>>51275820
"getting away" with anything has long-term consequences for the countrys people. life will be shit in russia indefenetly

>>51272352
long USA and India

>>51273026
why do you support the current West system. Why?
im literally hoping it crumbles into dust.

>>51274742
the dollar will become extremely strong before it collapses. It will get strong because US will be buying back the debts.

>>51286259
eбaть ты кpинжлopд

>>51278341
This is a midwit opinion retards use to avoid any analysis but still feel smart

How much do I need to be able to pay for gas this winter as a European?

>>51272335
EU politicians cry and moan. The people who control their strings are more powerful then every person who can't afford to boil an egg.

>>51272608

>>51286497
burn an african for warmth.

>>51272608
And we can let the US do it for decades?

>>51275727
anti bug eating extremists should be banned from the internet

NATO should annex russia and take all the gas.

>>51279871

They don't even have ball bearings or needles. The fucking shithole produce literally nothing.

Fucking imbeciles lmao

>>51272335
Europe bans excessive energy demands. This includes jacuzzies, bitcoin miners, etc. All crypto bros should switch to proof of stake or proof of randomness to save energy.

>>51272335
Europe is kill

>>51272441
They already fucked it up. If they wanted to do that then they should have cut the gas off from the get go. But they wanted their billions too. You can't have your cake and eat it. Ever.

>>51286532

>>51281285
>>51274101
Russia has already made record profits this year 8 months into it selling lower volumes. Selling at a discount of 9x the price of last year instead of 10x doesn't matter.

>>51272408
politicians always double down until right before their term is over just to save face.

>>51272335
The glimpse into russian mind is truly incredible. They unironically think we will freeze to death on our way to outhouse. Utterly incapable of realizing that we will neither freeze (with european winters becoming increasingly benign for past few decades, where I live snow almost makes it to the news and that's not even western yurop proper), nor that we use actual toilets. Will gas be expensive, and winter somewhat draining on wallet? Sure will, no doubt.But it will be overcome, and pass, new equilibrium will form.
What I would like to know what cards are they left holding after shutting down NS1? Are they *this* desperate after just half a year? Damage to Europe, economic, political and societal is already done, no one will ever allow russians the upper hand they've enjoyed for so long, changing course now will completely derail whole EU with 0 survivors. There's simply 0 alternatives. We pull through, and make it, scathed as we may end up, or we're done for.

>>51286658
what did he mean by this?

Whatever happens future of Russia is bright. West will be racemixed, browned, low IQ, cucked, globohomo hell. Sino-Rus alliance are basically based nat-soc and probably will win the world because West was sabotaged into suicide. Technological lead of West is temporary, population is being replaced with shitty people and with it science and progress will sharply decline. Many chink products are already superior to anything we can do.

>>51280876
what the west fails to understand about russia is that they couldnt care less about their own people. the vast majority live off wheat and vodka with domestic oil production to fill their 50 year old cars

>>51274204
>>51277953
Same source that posted Flight Sim footage "taken" from the Ghost of Kiyv!

>>51272608
The thing is, you win a war through attrition of the economy. The first one thats no longer able to pump out tanks ammo and feed their population, loses.

What EU is doing right now is losing the war before it even started. The sanctions are backfiring so horribly, weakening the west so much, it might actually get Putin to invade us.

At this point, the EU should either stop with the sanctions shit and buddy up with russia, or go all in to war and send troops to Ukraine and the entire NATO force. What they're doing right now is just killing themselves without even firing a shot.

Putin is just laughing, this is the dumbest shit ever.

>>51275488
Not true. It's mostly China buying it, and all they're doing is turning around and selling it back to Europe for about twice what they are paying Russia lol

>>51286431
>It will get strong because US will be buying back the debts
how?

>>51286431
With what lol

>>51272608
Fact of the matter is that we can't just let the US invade other countries. They wouldn't stop at Iraq, they'd feel emboldened if the EU and the rest of the world just let them get away with it.
You have to make a stand, even if it's going to suck for a lot of people.
Disagree and you're an incel, simple as

>>51273004
Putin is globohomo idiot

>>51286681
I think he believes the European Union and its member states actually have the capacity to spend massively on infrastructure to replace extremely inexpensive Russian gas.
Take a look at prices around you guys because you're going to laugh/cry when you think back on them in the near future.

>>51275277
yeah and my government buys McKinsey Powerpoints for 100M. Just because the spending is huge doesn"t mean the army is good. It just means there are a lot of MiC and politician pockets to fill. NATO is just one big taxpayer grift specialising in washing money by killing towelheads and poor goatfuckers (and they still manage to lose somehow lol.)

Somehow with all that budget they couldn"t get hypersonic missiles yet :( China and Russia already do. Even pentagon staffers warn about the bureaucracy and logistics and procurement and how China's R&D cycles and weapons procurement are about 3x faster and 10 times cheaper.

>>51282850
>then you would have to pay real interest for your debt
why?
Every nation has to pay their debts

>>51275511
Gas is less than 15% of Russian GDP dumbdumb, and theyve made more profit from gas this year than ever, thanks to the sanctions that made the price x10. Theyre making more selling less while we starve and freeze, thats how dumb EU is.

>>51275950
EU politicians better triple the police force's paycheck if they want to survive lol. Right now policemen will get hit as hard as everyone else and will probably join the rioting rather than prevent it.

>>51286956
Wrong, Russian internal analysts are predicting a 10% recession within the next 2 years.

>295 posts
>179 Unique IDs

>>51282249
They're actually financed by NATO. For some reason the US really wants to fuck the EU (like nuland said).

>>51287051
>for some reason jews really want to fuck the europeans

>>51287051
economically, the EU would have coupled itself with China at some point, this crisis makes sure that will never happen

>>51286786
Is RT more to your liking Vatnick?

nuke Russia, glass the whole fucking country
literally nothing of importance ever came from there

trash people

>>51272608
I thought russia was losing, how would they be a threat to anybody else?

>>51287438
>t. gayto

>>51287437
Because I don't sub to the Ukranian propaganda I must necessarily be listening to the Russian propaganda?
Beyond fucking retarded comment.

>Why don't you not have Ukraine in your bio biggot

>>51287657
>>51287512
Donbabwe has no right to exist

>>51287597
Sure anon that's why you only replied to anti Russian comments sure.
Beyond fucking retarded anon

>>51287657
Why do you support communist mongolians /pol/tard?

>>51287705
>/k/ike
Like clockwork

>>51287705
How do you know what I replied to and what I didnt reply to?

>>51287722
Oh bad image try again.

>>51287722
Russia literally celebrates an Israeli victory day.

>>51276862
With=/= to. It's perfectly possible for a german guy to marry a german woman and having 3 deutsch children.

>>51287732
>Hates Israel
>Supports a literal zionist jew

>>51287767
The founder of the MMM pozi (Mavrodi) was a Jew.
The (((people's republic))) is run by a former MMM functionary.

>>51287731
>Calls Russia gay
>Presdent wants to legalize gay marriage
Meanwhile https://www.ibtimes.com/russias-lgbt-concentration-camps-prisons-gay-men-chechnya-reports-say-2523676

>>51287729
Ah I see you just failed to shill on another borad and tried to worm your way here, let me tell you the difference between the board's my confused little Ivan.
The board you came from didn't have ID's /biz/ does have ID's (the little box full of letters and numbers above your comment)
Mine is fGPCtBpc
Yours is 0gmjq8XD

See it's above your post like this one
>>51286532

I recommend you stay on the boards without id's it's will improve your shilling attempts.
Just some friendly advice.

>>51287767
I kind of think Israel are pretty based and its the khazar (which are not israeli nor semites) you have to worry about. There's a reason khazars (US and european "jews") are kvetching so hard about ukraine (khazar homeland) while israel isn't even on board with the sanctions.

>>51272608
>Disagree and your (the current bad thing)

this has compelled me to change my opinion

>>51287838
and to the people who will reply why all the western aid to israel then I think its first so the khazars can blend in with the israelites in the people's minds, and second because funding israel makes sense on the geopolitical scale to prevent a panarabic alliance and keep irak/lebanon/iran/syria in check.

>>51287838
Ukraine is also the Indo-European homeland

>>51287829
>shilling attempts
Just because I don't care for fucking Ukranians getting invaded? Just like I haven't cared about Iraq, Afghanistan and another half a dozen US invasions disguised as "operations".
But I do care about having to pay between 3x and 5x more for electricity and heat this and possibly next winter just because EU leaders have to grandstand with the fucking russkies.

>>51287974
actually the only ukrainians dying are the russian ones in donbass anyway (from both sides shelling their homes), western nazi ukies are fine. The death toll from US invasions was far worse. Wouldn't be surprised if western artillery has killed as many as russian one.

Its not even shilling, anyone thats followed Ukraine history and politics knows the invasion was justified to save the russians in donbass from the ukraine nazis. It does sound like shit russian propaganda because we're so used to MSM calling any conservative in the West a nazi, but western ukrainians are actual nazis (they get anywhere between 20% to 40% of the vote in West Ukraine, less than 1% in donbass and crimea).

>>51288163
and no, front national or 5 star movement or MAGA are in no way comparable to svoboda lol. Those guys openly call for killing gays genociding and torturing russians etc. Its crazy how the West can pretend theyre funding the liberal values of democracy, this shit is the talibans / al quaeda all over again and will blow up in our faces big time, even on a PR standpoint. I expect an MSM pivot soon to zelensky bad as we drop the sanctions.

>>51288163
>anyone thats followed Ukraine history and politics knows the invasion was justified to save the russians in donbass from the ukraine nazis
Bullshit. Most people had fled the region long before the war started, and the commie "people's republics" were started by antifa FSB "volunteers" from Russia.

>>51288206
So Ukrainians are pretty based? OK, I guess more reason to support them. Also, I've been told that they're Russians too, so Ukrainians can't be against Russians (themselves). Only against the Russian government.

>>51288359
no the Western part is ukrainian and nationalist, the eastern part is russian. Its like north/south ireland divide with the catholics and protestants or belgium with the dutch and french. Basically the borders were abitrarly drawn when the USSR fell and its led to this shitshow. (Think also African countries). Putting two ethnicities/cultures in the same country is always a recipe for disaster. Western ukraine has never liked russia, its similar to Poland as in theyve just been fucked over and over by empires all the time. But they do have their own culture they are very proud of. The West speaks Ukrainian and votes nazi, the East speaks Russian.

>>51288287
Lol dude the LPR and DNR leaders since 2014 were not FSB. Of course Russia helped them though. You really know nothing about Ukraine history politics if you think this shit wasn"t natural. Bet you think Crimea was a FSB referendum too or something lol. the burning of the odessa syndicate house was probably FSB too am i right. Youre a dumb NATO cock sucker.

>>51288515
>no the Western part is ukrainian and nationalist, the eastern part is russian.
Well, this divide didn't work out in the end. Now you see Ukrainian nationalists from both parts of the country. Even Azov was Russian-dominant.

>You really know nothing about Ukraine history politics if you think this shit wasn"t natural
It wasn't natural. Every region of Eastern Ukraine that had not been hijacked by foreign Russian "volunteers" was better off in the end. The DPR and LPR were a trainwreck. Fake satanic abominations. And who is the "DNR leader"? A former Ponzi scheme functionary.

Oh yeah, Ukraine is the Indo-European homeland. So Indo-Europeans > Khazars.

>>51286563
maybe get a gay man to fart in your face. Infinite gas.

>>51272335
Now european energy is expensive. European companies become les competitive, due to high production costs.
America take european market shares on the international markets.
America also sell it's super expensive shale gaz to europe, shipped with boats.
America wins. Europe loose. Russia sell it's energy in Asia.

>>51288672
its just annoying watching the US throw us under the bus. OK, theyve always been scared of a unified Europe including Russia because it would be strong, maybe stronger than them.
But we probably would have shared democratic values, and a big US + Europe + Russia block would have kept us the dominant superpower.

Instead they pushed Russia into China's arms and killed the EU. So now instead of US + EU+ Russia vs China it will be US all alone vs Russia and China. I think the US just destroyed both us and themselves with this idiotic move. Dollar world reserve will fall and a new commodity based breton woods multipolar world order will come out, with the BRICS at the top.

>>51288672
and EU will slowly fade into a 3'rd african shithole, actually populated with Africans too lol.

>>51280681
LIke Syrian war, it has all to do with pipelines, and nothing to do with politics, identity or sovereignty.
If the european "elite" decide to lift the sanctions and activate nord stream 2, the 2022 winter will be like any other.

>>51286763
>the vast majority live off wheat and vodka with domestic oil production to fill their 50 year old cars
Feels comfy.

>>51272335
>What happens now?
Even more redditors die

>>51286810
You don't understand. It was all engineered by america, in order to weaken europe, and take over european markets.

>>51287051
Yes this.
For some reason? What about europa is america competitor on the international markets? They play buddy in front of cameras, but in reality, america wants to sunk europa and prevent a russian-european alliance since at least a century. Read the Grand Chessboard (1997).

>>51288947
>america wants to sunk europa and prevent a russian-european alliance since at least a century
You're a moron. The Americans, particularly the Dems were the ones pandering to Russia with their "reset". Where did it lead to? To everyone getting too relaxed and hedonistic.

>>51288763
>But we probably would have shared democratic values, and a big US + Europe + Russia block would have kept us the dominant superpower.
America don't care about this. They only want to make the most possible money. And this means sunking europe, and preventing any european russian alliance. European engineering + Russian natural ressources = end of american hegemony.
Yes the dollar will most likely explode terminally this decade.

>>51289082
Well, the only way to form a powerful European-Russian alliance is to finally buckbreak Russia, perhaps even split it into a few new countries. Go Europe.

>>51272608
HAHAHAHA

>>51288999
>The Americans, particularly the Dems were the ones pandering to Russia with their "reset".
Exactly one year after the collapse of the soviet union (1991), came the maastricht treaty (1992), which created the european community. This is no coincidence. It was engineered by america in order to avoid the creation of an european-russian alliance.
It is common knowledge that the founding father of the european union were on america's paycheck.
The european union has always been a tool for america to enchain europa, and prevent any strong alliance between european nations, as well as preventing any european-russian alliance.

>>51289170
Now take the red pill and realize that only balkanizing Russia will lead to a Europe-led European-Russian alliance.

>>51289150
Typical anglo glownigger agenda.

>>51289199
Are you against a European-Russian alliance or what? If you simply want to simp for Russia, there is no need for an alliance.

>>51289197
More like this would garantee anglo-american supremacy.

>>51289215
Stop glowing please, or i'll have to lower the luminosity of my display.

>>51289217
They seemed quite happy with Russia as it was.

>>51289246
So let me clarify, do you simply want a Russia-led European-Russian alliance, USSR 2.0 perhaps? Because the only way to cooperate with Russia is to buckbreak it.

>>51289305
I would rather Putin led the alliance than that dumb bitch Ursula or Macron or Scholtz lol.

>>51289510
Well, European leaders are weak, obsessed with hedonism, and it cost Europe a lot. Simping for Russia and begging it to accept you to USSR 2.0 is simply the result of that.

>>51286512
Isn't Jeb! married to a spic?

>>51288664
what's your obsession with homos?.

>>51272335

Now the fun part begins