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you won't get anywhere in the tech industry if youre not a globohomo or get a job at Google

>>51174022
That's fine, I can lie for money. Plus, I've had all my personal social media accounts purged since like 2016 and constantly post dumb bullshit on linkedin. Plus. if "Getting anywhere" to you means making $150,000 a year then we have diffrent expectations. I'd be happy with like 75-80

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>>51173949
One person responded to you faggot ONE, Stop bumping your annoying gay thread.

>>51174821
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>>51173949
You'll hit a salary ceiling much lower if you don't learn to code and do Network/Cyber security. You can make up to 200k if you're senior, but it's hard to get above that in those fields ever.

Software Engineer is going to have more to learn, and a higher skill required, but a much higher ceiling. Senior/Staff level is well above 500k at big tech.

Both are decent paths, I started Cybersec with my degree, and pivoted to software engineer after 7 months in my first job since I saw the writing on the wall.
> 300k WFH with 7 yoe.

>>51175922
Thanks anon. I'm taking my Net+ next month and I'm already A+ certified. I dropped out of uni (shitty degree) years ago so I'm trying to figure out how to steer my career from here. I think I'll dip my feet into coding and see if I have the attention span for it, but I'd also like to learn networking or cyber. Any advice on how to start as a complete noob? Should I bite the bullet and take some courses at a community college or something?

>>51176365
Without a degree you're just another pleb

>>51174194
>I've had all my personal social media accounts purged since like 2016 and constantly post dumb bullshit on linkedin.
You're already filtering yourself for shitty companies that look for that kind of thing in an employee. Stop pretending to be what you think companies want, and unironically just be yourself.

>>51176502
My local community college has a transfer agreement with a business school, and they have a 4-year CyberSec program. If I commit myself to this path, will I graduate into a field with low demand? I'm also concerned about my aptitude and intelligence, the most advanced thing I've ever done is probably set up a file server and write some commands that integrate with Youtube-dlp to download videos.

>>51176598
anon, fortune 500 companies with an unlimited budget have to hire tech bros that pledge themselves to the cult of diversity. "being myself" means being a weird introverted racist.

>>51173949
I knew a guy that played around on those hacking challenges websites, eventually got some certificate for it, seemed like a lot of work, he spent a few months training and practicing for it, and he did a review for some vendor and somehow that got a ton of people reaching out to him, so there's jobs out there.
He walked me through some of the stuff he does and the kind of work didn't look too bad if you're good with computers, you kind of learn to create your own flow and it's almost like a checklist of shit to go through when doing it. Basically a high initial learning curve and then once you're there just keeping on top of the trends and new stuff every few months, so seems pretty comfy.

I do software dev, spent 5 years in university and doing co-op positions between semesters. I have mixed feelings about it, in some ways its comfy just writing shit code or maintaining a codebase but other times it sucks because you can't coast too much, always have to be doing sprints or scrums or some bullshit.
Interviewing for it feels like the worst of all, algorithms/data structures are all anyone asks about and that's the thing I'm really bad at, and 90% of the work is just maintaining code or gluing libraries/apis together.

Bootcamps can work, I knew some 40 year old chick from when I played mmorpgs that worked a grocery store, she went through a coding bootcamp that helped her network with a company after she graduated it, and that landed her a well paying position (at least relative to the grocery store). She isn't particularly smart either so it's probably easier to get in that way.

>>51173949
>>51174456
i would advise you to pursue a niche skillset like automation or cloud to separate yourself from the hoard of generic IT guys who are creepy weirdos trying to become le software engineers or cybersecurity experts (aka leet haxor mans). But judging by the anime posts you probably fit right in as a generic IT admin dude

Which programming language to learn if I hate math and am shit at it? I heard Java is less reliant on math, is that true?

>>51176365
WGU offers IT degrees, and it includes all of the CompTIA certs in their program. 6 month tuition is like 3.5k, and you can finish as many classes as you can during that time. Their BS in network engineering and security gives you a bunch of certs and a degree. pic related.

If you take anything from this thread, OP, please please PLEASE let it be that you NEED to know scripting/coding. Now necessarily software engineer level, but you MUST be proficient at automation. You simply will not go far in today's IT world I'd you don't have AT LEAST a tenuous grasp of scripting concepts.

>>51178063
I’m doing WGU right now for Cybersecurity. Been doing it for a couple months and I’m already almost A+ certified

>>51177037
Cybersecurity jobs are still in pretty high demand. If you can stomach reading Splunk logs all day entry level positions aren't hard.

>>51177335
I'm a bit apprehensive about shelling out the dosh for a coding bootcamp, I've had a few friends do it, and have heard some horror stories about what happens once they get in.

>>51177514
I have no idea how to even get into these fields. Like Amazon Web Service?

>>51178063
>>51178292
Thanks anons, I'll look into this. I had a friend go to one of those "Career schools" where they offer you the ability to obtain as many certs as you can. He paid 5 figures and only got his A+ and Net+ , ultimately it seemed like a big scheme unless you can bust out certs in like 2 weeks, which I find impossible. .

>>51178119
Care to point me towards some resources? I'm following Microsoft's learning programs on Powershell right now, any particular language I should pivot towards after I'm done with that?

>>51178512
>bootcamps
I think bootcamps could be good if you already know a full stack. Going in with zero knowledge is just pleb bait.
>aws
DevOps
>WGU
Your mileage may vary, but if you look at gov bis labor stats for job growth/demand, cyber security is ridiculously understaffed
>scripting/coding
You nee to know git version control, CLI, and be comfortable with a few languages. Picking up python and building a scraper is probably a good place to start.

The important thing is that you start and don't stop. Not everyone is mentally built for self learning - so if you don't think you can hack a job through hackthebox/freecodecamp/theodinproject/coursera etc. then you should consider the paid program options like bootcamps and WGU, paying for something can "hack" your motivation to actually complete it (skin in the game) v.s. free resources.

>>51178292
nice. good luck anon. what made you choose that, and what are the chances of getting a good job with that if you're all certed up with a BS?
>>51178512
study everything before enrolling so you can move through it quick.

>>51178603
Thanks anon. I admit I have some trouble with my attention span, and it's very hard for me to start a project and not get distracted by 4Chan tabs on my other monitors. I think this is something that I ultimately just have to try and work on after years of porn abuse, social media, video games nuking my attention span. Maybe I'll pin-point my major distractions and black them through a policy on my router or something.

>>51178718
if you are a retard screen addict with porn brain you are likely only "interested" in "programming" because it seems to you as an "easy out" from "real work" but the reality is you are deeply troubled by addiction to disgusting content and you should go get a non-screen job until you've untucked yourself then re-assess what you're going to do with your miserable loli cool life.

No hate intended, you just need to get real or you will be doing the same shit and asking the same stupid questions 5 years, even 10 years from now.

Ignore this at your own peril, but you WILL remember it.

>>51178718
i used to go to a coffee shop to force myself to study for hours. only after hours of study i rewarded myself with tf2.

>>51178682
Thanks, I chose it mostly because it’s remote and accelerated. I just want the Comptia certs to get my foot in the door first, then after i have some work experience and i finish up the degree, i should land a wfh job no problem

>>51178782
I'm interested in these fields because my only real experience and skill are IT related, plus I like networking and setting up systems. I appreciate the rough advice, I know I struggle with my attention span and am probably dopamine addicted to an extent. It's pretty hard for me to sit down and focus on a project without wanting to afk on an MMO or tab over to reddit/4Chan.

Any other anons overcome this struggle? I've also considered going to my local library with my business laptop to put myself in a different environment where I'm not surrounded by stuff in my room that I want to do.

>>51173949
Oh look another person who judges his success based in the amount of money he is gifted each year from globohomo

>>51173949
Do cybersecurity for work/life balance. If you get into software you'll just end up wanting to throw up in your mouth having to keep up with small iterations on the same shit that new developers think are new and profound paradigm shifts. This doesn't happen as much in cybersecurity. Plus if you get globohomoed out of your job, you can still make money as a "researcher" finding bounties and could do this from a beach somewhere with weak jurisdiction or in eastern Europe if you get good. Or if you're a good kid, you can try for a government cybersecurity job so you have some security while the world comes down around us.

>>51173949
>in tech industry
>not willing to learn tech
Either switch to HR or tech sales

>>51179669
I only see my future career as a means to an end to provide for my family. Why the fuck else would I go to work if it doesn't pay well?

>>51180140
Work/life balance sounds nice since I have kids, but a lot of sentiments I've read here and other places is that there's a larger market for software devs. I'd be worried about dedicating the next 4-5 years to my life to enter a field that's hard to get a job in.

>>51180840
I'm borderline sperg I'm terrible with interpersonal stuff.

>>51178512
I took a devops job at a startup to get my feet into coding/ops, and now work at AWS.

It's a good way to ramp up to 6 figures if you understand some basic scripting/ops while you work on your coding skills.

>>51182086
Can you elaborate on "scripting/ops" point me to some resources to read up on? Do you mean scripts to run from powershell? I'm a noob in this area.

What's the easiest IT job I can do? I want something that is work from home but isn't something like nonstop calls ever two seconds. I have an IT degree and that's it. No experience other than low paying retail jobs. Should I get a compTIA and if so, which one? I don't need a huge salary.

>>51183000
saved this from some other anons
https://roadmap.sh/devops

>>51173949
Get into AI lmao