/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>51084543
low IQ codeniggers believe tech will never saturate

god, i fucking hate computers. thank god for bitcoin so we can be freed from them, holy shit

>>51084543
tech will always be hiring and fairly stable but majority of tech companies in Silicon Valley are useless and will go bust. avoid startups and you should be alright.

>>51084543
nah sorry, skilled devs will always have a job

>>51084598
certain sectors are oversaturated by poos (wordpress frontend)

>>51084624
depends on the skill of the product implementation, product-market fit, and to a lesser extent funding

>>51084623
lol

>>51084543
If you want to make some motherfucking money.
Learn Rust, Go, Solidity, and Motoko. Learn how to audit/test smart contracts and blockchains.
Barely anybody knows how to do this. Next bullrun you’ll easily make 300k-500k

>>51084698
>next bullrun

>>51084698
Meet Clemnt, Clement is one of the best smart contract hacker

>>51084543
>data analyst
such a bullshit job

Is my motrin fucked up?

>>51084543
These people do not cut the mustard. I've hired Data Analysts, unless you studied stats or math (probability focused) or psychology (lots of applied stats) then you won't be getting anything.

The Roastie path into the profession is psych degree -> unemployment/grad school -> Entry level data analyst in megacorp.

The important guys who implement BI/Data warehousing/Analytics etc tend to be CS/physics/math/stats for a background. Never hired a code camp retard who didn't prove their metal with a physics or maths degree beforehand.

>>51084832
well its a black female with "xls" in her username, what do you expect? top talent? lol

>>51084832
stop gate keeping, I did similar to what she said and have a 100K job building dashboards. I dont have to be einstein to make good money

>>51084832
IT'S 'METTLE' YOU TARD

>>51085157
nigger i built several very involved stats dashboards in 2 weeks, and that was just a bygone project, one of at least 6 such projects this past year. big whoop, call the analytics api, grab whatever they want out of the database, make a key=>value format for chartjs, boom! dashboard

Don't care. I drive package car for 120k/yr and my jobs not going anywhere

Don't care I work at a gas station + trade crypto futures for 120k/yr, as long as there are drug addicts my job is not going anywhere

>>51085321
>>51085281
>>51085157
>>51085049
>>51084832
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Don't care I sell collectibles on ebay for 120k/yr, as long as weebs exist my job isn't going anywhere

>>51084598
>low IQ codeniggers believe tech will never saturate
I already have 6 years experience and make $300k/year remote, so I have a bit of a moat.

I'm also at financial escape velocity already. Good luck to my next generation of this transexual field

Sorry but only like probably 3% of the worlds population can do leetcode (and I'm not talking autistically just memorising the answer).

The amount of people getting filtered by fizzbuzz during interviews is baffling. Recruiters are still desperate for decent developers and companies are still willing to pay.

>>51085458
based. ~250k here also remote, serious plans to retire at 50 with house paid off. got a job interview next week hopefully bring me to the 350k+ range. only real danger is premature burnout cuz i work a LOT

>>51085524
nah fizzbuzz is gay. my rule these days is, 2 interviews and 1 coding test taking 2 hrs max. if the test is outsourced or not totally unique to the company, hard pass. i've had ppl try and schedule multiple 3+ hr IRL interviews after multiple phone interviews, or try to get me to sign up for some site where a pajeet asks me to design a generic api. fuck that, not worth my time

>>51085555
>>51085458

How the fuck do you fags make over $300,000. FAANG or somewhere else? If somewhere else, tell. Especially if you got it without leetcode grind.

Most devs I know make like 130,000

>>51085555
Well I'm talking in a general sense of vastly unskilled developers mass applying. So these bootcamps promising a high salary job is no different to a MLM scam tbqh.

If you cannot stand self studying 8-10hours a day then you won't cut it as a developer to be frank but in saying this - once you have the job it's kind of easy to cruise and stay comfortable if that's your thing.

>>51085594
hint: 2 jobs at 100k = 200k
3 at 120k = 360k

>>51085609
ya bootcamps are a scam and they churn out frontend hopefuls who don't realize that anyone can learn html+css in a weekend, including such vaunted skills as flexbox and grid. honestly my big learning tool is a full stack complex web app of 200k LoC that i managed to about cut in half while improving the overall quality of the code, and managing the cloud infra/aux services like email/DNS/vpn/etc

also i looked up fizzbuzz, it's that thing where you hydrate an array [1, 100] and foreach echo fizz if i%3, buzz if i%5, or fizzbuzz if both, else i. something like that anyway, one is fizz and the other is buzz

>>51084543
There's a clear bubble in entry level shit, especially web dev. There's an eternal shortage of skilled senior developers though. The kind of engineers who can rewrite and do maintenance on the massive, creaking pile of shit code generated by the megabyte by absolute retard code campers.

For anyone thinking of going into the field, know that you probably won't have a job in a year unless you are very talented. It will take a lot to be protected during purges if you have less than five years experience.

>>51085671
holy fucking shit, this hits me in the feels. i'm currently trying to convince a retard company that hiring eastern europeans to crank out millions of lines of retard-tier OOP leetcode is a terrible idea, and have spend the last week diagnosing some phycho retard bug in some copy-paste shithole api that doesn't work. my solution is: just have 1 fucking api since both of them are basically the same. not exactly a challenge to support slight divergence, huge mess if you expect a revolving door of russians and jeets to remember to duplicate their work considering the massive pile of duplicated shit that is the codebase. despite the meme of "OOP saves you from writing duplicate code" no all you get is like a fragile un-debugabble namespace nested 5 levels deep

>>51085594
>If somewhere else, tell. Especially if you got it without leetcode grind.
I'll tell you that getting over my fear/hate of leetcode for a short burst was always the best decision.

You should leetcode or find something else, if you care about maximum TC. You don't have to leetcode as hard as people going to Google, Meta, Jane Street, Netflix and some other big names.

Do some research on what the next tier of tech looks like. I'll start you off with some names like salesforce, adobe, Linkedin, Cisco, maybe IBM.

These aren't the top tech companies in the world, but they're pretty damn big, global, and thus have large budgets to pay people. Look for places with an already finished product that is printing money.

>>51085716
that's a good path, i considered applying to vanguard, one of my old colleagues went to akamai and then M$ where i think he still is...

better idea is instead of doing leetcode practice without context, write a project of your own, that is composed of leetcode exercises (you always need to rotate a string or regex an array, for example,), something that puts the leetcode in an IRL CONTEXT

so it's not just a compsci dropout exercise, but something you can show off as a demonstrable achievement in interviews

>>51084543
>tech will now have even higher standards for lower pay because of market saturation
Not my problem and in fact it might even mean things get cheaper because workers are forced to work for cheaper

>>51085834
haha no my floor is 100k at a fire sale price. all that matters is you get it working fast, without pushing bullshit garbage that requires a total rewrite down the line. i'm the guy who rewrites your leetcode, and knows better than to push bullshit, cuz if its gonna be held up 2+ days in QA anyway, better just spend an extra hr taking something from "it barely works" to "the next time i see this code, i know it's not the problem"

>>51084832

No offense but the only people who are like OP and spam this as “TECH BUBBLE !!!!!” Are not working as neither software devs or data scientists. Thats why they would even confuse the two and put them into the same category.

Im a software dev but i dont for a minute think i could do data science and i dont even view it on the same category of skill. They are almost separate things.

But salty retards like OP cant tell any of it apart.

To him an accountant is an investment fund manager

>>51084832
>who didn't prove their metal
this immediately proves you are a larping. learn how to spell you fucking retard. also plebbit spacing go back

>>51084623
This but unironically but also eth will flip Bitcoin for this very reason

>>51085715
The pain is real, but so is the job security for those who can fix that shit.

>>51085880
OP is a retard and probably is unemployed, most likely 20-24 and living with their parents. Also obese.

Just report these threads and move on

>>51084543
>maths
Jeezus.

>>51084832
>>51085321
I feel bad for both of you. Slaving behind a computer, thinking you got life on easy mode as you shovel goyslop in during your 1 hour lunch break. I'm unemployed. I will never work a day in my life. My goal is to leech as much welfare off you retards as I can before I die. I smoke weed every single day, and I'm high every single day. I wake up and do literally whatever I want. Thank you for paying for my lifestyle.

>>51085880
haha yeah, i'm trying to get my bro (wannabe scientist) into data science and have him learn python kaggle. i've assured him multiple times that i'm a backend webdev, it's not copying me, it's 2 different worlds

>>51085917
honestly i worry about getting fired every day from that job. not that i even "really" mind, but it's my house down payment and bitcoin autoinvest at stake. you saw what twitter did to mudge for saying such basic things like, "don't hire foreign spies and give them unfettered prod db access" and mudge was breaking systems long before i was born.

these fucking tards think it's a badge of honor that some russians and pajeets shat out a million lines of garbage in a month, and my saying "let's just not do that" is basically heresy. thank god i have a interview with a good company coming up, so if i get a good offer i can hopefully do nothing and cruise for a few pay periods or $10k or w/e until they fire me.

PTO frozen thanksgiving to christmas, yeah i'm thinking i'm not gonna exactly put in a bunch of effort assuming i last that long

>>51085979
hahahaha if you're a white (english protestant) american citizen, i don't care and will support you no matter what

>>51084543
It's a bubble for the bird brained who think that just because you can make pretty charts or pull data from a database (what databases are literally designed to do) that YOURE actually a Statistician or Data Scientist. It's pretty funny, it's just the evolution of the PowerPoint roastie.

It's pretty easy to shit on these kids by ACTUALLY knowing mathematics and statistics. Unironically, you won't be doing anything interesting other than being a glorified chart maker without an incredibly strong background in computational statistics and applied math.

In fact nowadays the hot field is optimization and Op. Res. focused (a.k.a. setting up and executing optimization problems and algebraic programming not just visualizing and looking at data). Businesses are pretty quickly realizing that, unless they're just hiring for analytics, you need an applied mathematician who can kind of just do it all.

Basically, if you get into the ACTUAL end-to-end model building, validation, simulation world, you're basically at no threat of layoff. Then again, I've never worked on a model or simulation that wasn't considered 'vital to operations'.

>>51085715
kek, get fuckt java boy

>>51086267
derka pooja indeed

whats the best way to pivot from civil engineering project mgr to software/tech ?

what i've done so far

>>civil eng
>>pivot to proj mgr
>>???
>>FANG 300k

>>51086313
>whats the best way to pivot from civil engineering project mgr to software/tech ?
python -> leetcode -> interview and learn on the job

if you can't get interviews: get yourself a linux/osx terminal, learn how to build a small project in git. Maybe follow the Flask tutorial and go from there.

leetcoding in is how general STEM majors best transition into coding. It lets you get into roles where that is a common archetype and they know how to work with it

>>51086471
based thanks cobba

>>51085979
I've been unemployed. No you don't do whatever you want, cause you can't afford shit.

>>51084623
based anti-computer computer user

>>51084598
It probably won't. There might be a pull back right now but that's more of a function of venture capitalists demands not actual industry needs. They'll go right back to it soon. Just getting rid of the bloat and the guys who should have left years ago.

>>51084543
"Tech" is such a fucking scam. It's just a bunch of retards "updating" and re-creating software that was perfected decades ago. Who needs a new music player software? Winamp was perfect in the mid to late 90's. Almost everything that exists today is worse. Text processors like Microsoft Word aren't better today than they were a decade ago. So many of these products and jobs aren't needed.

>>51088222
Checked
>>51084543
>...heading into a bubble...
I hate to break this to you anon, the normie coder bubble is already deflating.
On the other hand, Blockchain coders will have work for decades.

>>51085387
You're gonna get shot in a robbery. Get a different job

>>51084598
It will but due to outsourcing overseas, not due to people retraining or whatever.

>>51084543
What do you think is more likely: a less digitized world, with less data, or the opposite?
More data/users = more work = more internal tools = more bugs = more HR = more data...
Webdev retards will not always make atrocious salaries but smart people who spend time on programming will always be valuable

>>51084543
>tfw going for a cyber security degree
Surely the network/security aspect of that is still doing fine, right? Surely as data breaches become more and more destructive every goddamn month that of all things relating to tech will still be in good standing, right?

>>51084698
How does auditing and testing smart contracts and block chains make money? Are you working for a company? I can do it as I work in cryptography and security software, but…the crypto markets just seem like scans to me.

>>51085594
I make 290k as SDE2 at AWS with 6 YOE.

I ask LC easy in interviews, and make sure the person write functional re-useable non spaghetti code. If someone puts the whole solution in main() I immediately deny.

>>51084672
>certain sectors are oversaturated by poos (wordpress frontend)
Wordpress is shitty but that small retail sector is some of the lowest operating overhead and efficient business there is. The only reason those sites will go away is if those retail stores go out of business.

>>51085157
As a hiring manager, gatekeeping is literally part of his job.

>>51085524
>fizzbuzz
When I started using fizbuzz in my interviews, it was incredible. I couldn't believe how many people could pass that test. One thing I noticed was that the better a conversationalist someone was, the less likely there were able to pass fizzbuzz. Why can't HR roasties just accept that some jobs will never have people who are good at communicating? My co-worker thought that fizzbuzz was too easy so he made this more complicated test and it was fine but it was pointless since we were lucky to even get 1 in 4 people passing fizzbuzz.

>>51085642
>anyone can learn html+css in a weekend
No they can't. Don't overestimate normies. A 100iq doesn't get you far at all. I've had multiple friends want me to teach them html and I tried but they are just too dumb to get it.

>>51084543
few ppl are autistic enough to stare at code all day. fewer ppl are competent enough to get shit done.

Finally graduating this year with an Applied Math degree (Data Science + Stats and Compsci Classes)
/biz/ always talks about what jobs to get, but not where to work. How do I determine what companies are worth working for? I'd like to work from home

>>51085671
It’s clearly a bubble but guess what, entry level web devs make more than senior mechanical engineers so what point is there for me to continue as a mechanical engineer? I might as well join the bubble

most people are not fit to be developers, i am in sweden and work for startup that allows full remote and pays decent, but the fact still is that most candidates are bad and cannot do/understand the simplest things
most people drop out of CS in college after like first year
if you decent iq, it's a good field

>>51093693
It's fake. anyone real would just google "function to check if even java stack exchange" and there would probably be a good solution already written.

>>51094326
Because ME skills aren't transferrable, so you'll spend a few years grinding up the ladder again just to have it pulled from under you. You'll probably end up back doing what you were doing, but with your seniority reset since you spent years out of the profession.

>>51084832
>didn't prove their metal
PMG chads, we can't stop winning.

Anything that relies on advertising revenues is moribund. I'm buying microdick whenever everyone leaves the sector because everyone uses teams.