/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>51067360
I've been thinking a lot about this and the only reasonable conclusion is we are completely doomed. We've built up a massively complex society with billions of people all dependent on highly leveraged systems of agriculture and utilities. But no one wants to fucking do anything productive anymore because the ((people)) on top have used every single opportunity possible to make sure society funnels wealth upwards towards mostly superfluous jobs like law, and software, and investing. There is no possible way this is sustainable and it just takes one look at "the best" cities in the world like LA to see the glaring tumor of homelessness and social unrest growing. Covid and WFH seemed to completely exacerbate the problem with people flooding out of these high cost of living cities, abusing real estate arbitrage and destroying the reasonably priced midwest areas just to retire early.

I honestly think some massive civil unrest is soon to begin followed by a slow churn into masse stupidity. IQ levels have already started dropping since the 90s, we basically coasted off nutrition for an entire century while the dumb reproduced liked rabbits. I think Israel and the Jews will jump ship and China will end up the dominant power as Americans slowly sink into an agricultural proxy province as the education smart people flee and the impoverished migrants from down south continue flooding in the by the millions

spoiler alert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYLiBEgLOYE

>>51067531
People always say "things can't go on like this", anon.

>>51067531
Becoming a second rate agricultural economy is unironically the best possible outcome.

>>51067611
I don't care about GDP. I just want fairness, justice, and unlocked doors.

>>51067531
The world can stay clown more than you can stay sane

>>51067360
Humanity went on a massive parabolic bull run since the beginning of the 19th century, echoes of discoveries made since the middle of the 1600s that allowed us to be where we are today when we did. Compare that to the more slow and methodical collapse that civilizations that lived and died before the early modern era and we find ourselves in an extraordinary situation. The wheel will always keep turning, there's no denying that, but our modern "conveniences" allow for the suppression of rebellious strife for generations past when the simmering would have lead to something more. Its the ultimate form of bread and circuses when you can completely numb the mental faculties of your slaves when they are too busy from the millions of distractions in day to day life, nefarious or not. The sad truth is, there will be no epic bronze age style collapse where starving zombies roam the streets in a mad max type crash, the abuse and oppression will keep festering until the will of the people is so broken our world will represent something more like the movie Elysium.

>>51067805
I think you are onto something.
Negative interest rates are literally impossible, like just absolutely no sense to them, and I think the answer to why yields aren't exploding higher and people aren't just losing their minds is honestly the desire to keep this going.
FDR essentially paused capitalism to redistribute wealth at the turn of the century, and the rich actually put up with it, and given the relative strength of the west, yes it would take a hit doing something like that again, but it might put up with it.
Technological improvement in farming and resource extraction also mean you don't have to convince as large a swath of the population to produce vast amounts for the rest of us, and then some.
The US has many economies layered on top of one another. This fucking tech bullshit is going to collapse. We will still want the creature comforts and the military will still want the good stuff, but this retarded thing where we pretend this contributes to the overall economy to warrant the drag is almost over.
There will be oil barons, construction tycoons, and people will still rent-seek, but there actually has to be PRODUCTION of something useful.
Rome had its best years post Republic.

>>51067360
Revolt Against the Modern World by Julius Evola

It's called Bullshit Jobs, which most jobs are.

>Cue TikTok post of 23 year old girl "working" in tech

>>51067360
It will be a gradual decline.
Booms and busts will be larger in the financial sense.
Corporations such as Disney will create their own bubble societies.
Segregation will be more acceptable and pronounced.
We will return to tribes, kings, serfs and warlords.
Universities will fall out of favor.
Corporations will hire only from within their closed societies.
Homesteading and permaculture will be normal.
Cults will become more socially acceptable.
The federal government and court systems will see there is money and control to be had in governing how closed societies interact with one another as opposed to trying to control them themselves.

>>51067360
Does pic related look right?

>>51068138
Bullshit jobs have been around for so long, an entire generation of people that believe themselves to be intellectually superior and aspire to be aristocratic and have pedigree etc are obsessed with perpetuating the "do nothing, make millions" trend.
This ends 1/1 ways.

>>51067360
Its all a ponzi scheme. Just like how the tribe likes it.

>>51067531
>China
>Not genociding themselves for fun whenever things get tough
Cope

>>51067805
I think the rebellion in this sort of society is silent disconnection, AKA lying flat. Nobody shows up to work or fight wars, and the remaining tax base can't sustain the dead weight.

>>51067531
>But no one wants to fucking do anything productive anymore
What do you mean by this? What evidence do you have? Who isn't doing productive things and what do you consider productive? Doom posters start out ok then just go completely off the rails with their thinking making all kinds of assumptions.

>>51068457
Trading cartoon apes for millions isn't productive, that's for sure.

>>51068347
Japan's Lost Decade has turned into 3 lost decades. 40% of young Japanese men don't date. We may be on the same path

>>51068482
Not everyone does that sort of thing. Plus any economic activity within the law is productive for capitalism. Who cares if some idiot gets fleeced out of his little fortune.

>>51068457
look at the spam of people complaining about their engineering degrees being worthless compared to making UI buttons

>>51068457
Society NEEDS:
Houses
Food
Water
Basic infrastructure to support these
Defense

That's fuckign work. That's real, actual work.
Farmers need houses, construction workers need food, everybody needs water and the maintenance of all the infrastructure that makes this cycle possible. Defense protects all of the above, and it's expensive.
Nobody signed up for using these guys' national credit to finance a bunch of fucking dipshits to overcomplicate what should be simple so we can create endless amounts of jobs that do nothing. Lawyers are paid 1200 bucks an hour to navigate a system THEY made complex.
Tech is even WORSE because at least the lawyers would give us infrastructure projects that actually do stuff and protect real companies from bullshit.
We used analog for years, and I think anybody arguing we should digitize nuclear reactors and aircraft carriers is trying to create jobs. Create more reasons people need to pay for highly specialized skills.

>>51068577
Everyone needs a job anon.

>>51068590
We used to send 1 person per household out into the world to provide for sometimes up to 15 people!
This system is parasitic and the result of allowing democratically elected government unlimited money to buy votes.

>>51067360
Idk what you typed but that ad was hilariously terrible

>>51068612
Women and children have always worked.

I see what you’re saying and agree with parts of the sentiment, but what happens when only productive jobs in the most pure sense remain. Mass unemployment, riots, revolution? UBI, socialism or communism? Or just culling the population? I can’t see an alternative that would end well, not that anything ends well.

>>51067531
Nah the future is looking bright cunt.

The elites already saw this coming decades in advance that is why they mass vaccinated the goyim with cell and gene therapy to kill off the stupid and gullible. Now with Energy and food shortages and the collapse of global derivatives markets alot of the third world that relied on the west for sustanance will also die off greatly lowing the population over the next several decades.

Life even for peasants was much better after the black death. with rapidly advancing technology and a much smaller population life for the survivors of the coming crisis will be very comfy.

>>51068577
Are those needs not being met? Also you live in a society based off consumption. Work is literally just whatever someone is willing to pay another for, why does freedom of trade and services make you so upset?

>>51067360
That's because nothing makes sense anymore. All post-Renaissance economic theory presupposed population growth because the population reliably grew. The population is no longer reliably growing.

you guys are dumb just buy chainlink

>>51068656
we have to let free market decide.
if everyone likes witch doctors or artists them we will havethose.

>>51068661
>The elites
If the elites wanted there to be less dumb people they'd stop the mass trasnfer of wealth through taxes of the smartest/ working class members of society (married families) to the dumbest people who had the most unsupported kids (mainly single mothers of color).

Also what do you think the vaccination rate is in the continent of Africa and the middle east? Compare that to the vaccination rate of Europeans, Americans, an Asians. The small subset that refused to take it in first world countries is a stastical blip. The 22nd century will be ten billion Africans

>>51068790
Yea the manipulation and synthetic trends are really the worst part. The destruction of every positive trait of man and woman. The days staring at screens or watching others stare at screens. The knowledge that what I am doing doesn’t really matter, that would most people I doesn’t really matter. Watching as the country I was born to crumbles in every facet. Seeing the effects of the social degeneration in my own life, the shame and the humiliation of falling prey from childhood to a system of lies and deceit. The knowledge that my spawn will struggle with the same evil. The dream of a brighter reality, but every morning I wake up and I am here again despondent and in despair buried deep under layers of self hatred, anger, and irony.

>>51068143
That's too ripe for explotation to happen

>>51068799
>10 billion Africans
So it's anarchy then

buy your Pod™ early!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j0_TDPaUznw

>>51068799
Billions of Africans will be moved into depopulated European cities and towns, their homelands will in term be depopulated that Africa can be converted into the worlds sole food and resource factory, without the liabilities of the native populations. This will be in response to natural rapid climate changes

>>51068577
I think humanity is too much for you. You should try being reborn as cattle so you can just eat, sleep, and breath. Nothing more, nothing less than the basics needed to be alive.

>>51067531
Was with you until the China bit. China's greatest enemy has always been themselves. In any case they're not like the US. The US has perfect access to two big oceans and none of its neighbors pose any threat to them whatsoever. China has access to only one of those oceans and their immediate hemisphere is absolutely crawling with other (relatively) powerful nations, many of which absolutely hate their guts.
Not that it's impossible for them to become the world power, anything's possible, but it would take some real smart leadership, and China is practically the antithesis of that all throughout their history.

>>51068505
>We may be on the same path
wake up, we are already in the same path.

>>51067531

Homelessness is mostly just mentally ill african americans.

>>51069131
How the fuck is Africa supposed to become the world's bread basket when most of it is
1. Undeveloped
2. In the middle of the fucking equator, which will be most impacted by climate change

Africa will become wasteland of drought and famine, migration northwards (through Spain and Turkey mainly) will intensify to levels never seen before and there will be a breaking point, millions if not billions will die and it's not gonna be the side with advanced military technology

>>51067360
dude what the fuck was that commercial. what was even the point. why did I watch that.

>>51070533
How hot will temperatures actually get? From my understanding we're essentially coming out of a mini ice age

>>51070557
It's a sign of the times. No healthy human mind could produce such a monstrosity, what does it say that it's a real commercial in Ireland?

>>51067360
>ask the Romans and Byzantines if they had a similar feel before their empires' collapse.
You generally can't pinpoint the moment an empire collapses at the time. Some warn of a collapse generations before things start going bad, others deny a collapse has happened even after the barbarians have looted the palace and set fire to the vineyards. By the time most well-learned people of the empire know that a collapse has occurred, it has already been replaced by a successor empire (or descended into tiny warring kingdoms)

>>51067360
Ahaha ask Romans what it was like during the collapse.

Romes fall took over 100 years.

We are living the collapse now you stupid nigger.

>>51069579
Kek'd

>>51067360
>I wish I could go back in time and ask the Romans and Byzantines if they had a similar feel before their empires' collapse.
Trying 'during' their collapse. It was slow and painful, much like ours right now.

>>51067360
>the entire world just feels fake and incredibly tense
this is hypernormalization
>What are we headed towards?
the complete disintermediation of all governments

Everything is always collapsing and being remade in different forms. Chaotic reformation is the constant in history. It is easy to lament that things do not remain the same but hard to adapt to what is now. Are things going to be difficult? Absolutely. Will it be as bad as the thirty years war or the mongolian invasion, or the fall of Ur? Hell, maybe. Probably not, though. People on an individual level aren't nearly as dangerous as they used to be.

>>51067360
Spoiler alert; we’re heading towards a rerun of 1973

>>51067531
Mutts did nothing when the Dems stole the election. Nothing ever happens, just a slow decay towards entropy and an eventual death of the 4th Rome