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Nice blog post fag. /g/ is probably better suited to help you out. Go onto the programming general or some shit.

>>51062536
r e t a r d

go live off welfare and leave the jobs for people from developing countries who actually have any merit

>>51062567
No, go back to one of the chainlink threads
>>51062579
>let brown people code

>>51062604
>I won't go to where all the programmers on the site are
The real problem is you are retarded

Based bootcamper driving down code monkey salaries

>>51062642
Yo momma, i've seen plenty of these kind of posts on this board. Depending on what people said here I was already planning on posting there.
>>51062655
Gotta come down some time.

>>51062536
> starting $50k
oh no, he believed the /biz/ larps

>>51062710
Care to explain? From what I have seen cybersecurity jobs are around that price point starting.

>>51062726
You'll be doing unpaid internships for at least 6 months and frankly you'll be lucky to get $35k starting.

>>51062604
>brown people are smarter than you
disgrace to your ancestors

>>51062536
Do NOT do a cybersecurity bootcamp, it is a massive waste of your time and money. IF you unironically want to get into infosec then follow this, it will set you up with a strong technical foundation that can be applied to other IT stuff not just cyber so cant really go wrong
>https://tcm-sec.com/so-you-want-to-be-a-hacker-2021-edition/

>>51062794
Literally the same seething brown
>>51061998

>>51062749
For cybersecurity, not just software programming?
>>51062799
Looks interesting, I appreciate the source. Won't having a certificate look better and then learning more as I go along be better when I am trying to get a job some what soon?

>>51062834
I'm not even brown I'm east euro
and you truly are a disgrace, probably gay bottom as well

>>51062536
idk how good these bootcamps actually are, i think there's no real replacement for a proper CS education.

my company hired a bootcamp developer and i had to mentor him for a few months. he knew the basic stuff from rote memorization but completely fell apart whenever he had to fix an issue that wasn't completely by the book. and it's that ability to think on your feet that truly sets apart an overseas code monkey from good engineers.

anyways i told my boss that he's not worth his salary and we let him go.

>>51062856
the cybersec/IT industry does not give a shit about bootcamps or whatever certificate of competion they give, dont bother with it youll be wasting so much money you could put towards certifications that actually matter namely the CompTIA trifecta which you can use to get an entry level job somewhere. IDK what your aspirations are but generally speaking if you get the CompTIA A+ > Network+ > Security+ > Linux+ or RHCSA will have you pretty flexible for whatever. If you want to get into penetration testing specifically then you can do the PNPT, I HIGHLY recommend following this course path its the best information in one place if u wanna git gud at l33t haxxing
https://certifications.tcm-sec.com/pnpt/

GLHF anon I suggest joining a infosec pisscord or whatever to ask more questions

>>51062913
>not brown
>eastern euro
>>51062919
I can understand that as a concern. My only thing is I had a lot of CS major friends and a lot of the time they were mainly doing theory. I personally would rather skip out on the bullshit and learn hands on and practically. I am also concerned about that, but I feel like having a foothold (the certificate) would help me learn on my own a lot better.
>>51062920
I appreciate that bro, so to be clear I can get those certificates without having to be in an instatution?

>>51062976
>My only thing is I had a lot of CS major friends and a lot of the time they were mainly doing theory
i see what you're saying, but IMO it's actually the theoretical stuff that gives you that creative problem solving ability. the practical coding part is mostly boilerplate, API calls, and different kinds of requests that isn't particularly hard to learn how to do but being able to reproduce and isolate a strange bug or finding out why particular aspects of a codebase are severely underperforming does require some theory knowledge.

i don't know what kinds of schools you have where you live, but maybe consider auditing a few freshman/sophomore level CS classes at a local community college alongside your bootcamp?

>>51062919
you a massive faggot just wanna let you know
>>51062976
the girl on your photo is tatar not even east euro

>>51062536
Don't do a cyber security one anon. You can realistically make above $50k from a fullstack bootcamp if you choose carefully and work your ass off.

>>51062976
imagine unironically thinking east euros are turkic. cybersec is not for brainlets like you

>>51063041
lmao cope
don't enter a profession where you have to actually use your brain if you don't like thinking, simple as.

>>51063037
I certainly get what you mean. I just cant afford to go back to school for 3ish years. Auditing a class sounds like a good idea as well.
>>51063041
>>51063094
Pic was unrelated you mongoloid Albanian
>>51063062
Can you explain what goes into software programming as a job if you are familiar with it? It never struck out as particularly fun. Thats why I was looking at the cybersecurity one.

>>51062536
If you're going for a coding bootcamp try to find one that provides a job guarantee (like pay after you get a decent paying tech job). They in particular have partnerships with different tech companies and will do anything to get you hired, help you write your resume, and send it to companies and recruiters they work with. I got a job immediately after doing a bootcamp which was completely free as part of this covid relief program in my country. I had years of prior programming experience as a hobbyist but I could have passed the job interview with just what I learned at the bootcamp even if I didn't.

Is tryhackme good if you want to get into cybersec? Tryhackme and then hackthebox?

>>51062856
Go ask people in the infosec prep or tryhackme discords. You have people there who are actually in the industry

>>51063162
Try The Odin Project (online, free) for 2 weeks consistently and see if you enjoy it. Fullstack basically means web development, front end (what you see) and back end.
The reason I don't suggest cybersecurity is because the job market is not as big. There are a fuckton of fullstack/SWE roles.

>>51063094
Didnt mean to add you in the reply with the Albanian
>>51063163
I was trying to find one like that, but most do not and from what I saw with coding dojo was that they had the most thorough course

>>51062799
>TCM security
Based. His pen test course is very strong too.

>>51062567
Newfag. There used to be a guy who made pen test general threads here. He had some great stuff, I think the thread name was /ptg/ or something. He either died or went mia 2 or 3 years ago.

>>51063162
> ohhh oh I was wrong let me think something up
> Pic was unrelated
I'm out of this thread bye

>>51063191
Will look into that thanks, again I am unsure how much i will like software development so these sources will help.
>>51063255
East Euro intelligence
>pic related this time

>>51062920
>infosec pisscord
Recommendations? Alot of the twitter personalities just shitpost and virtue signal. I want to level up in the industry a bit, I already do it for my job so I don't want to chase certs, just focus on knowledge.
I've just been listening to the security unfiltered podcast and even though the guy sounds like a moron it's been kind of interesting to hear about various industry perspectives that I am not exposed to.
My current role is in charge of "security" of a telecom product, basically nmap the software and ree at developers to update libraries because of CVEs. It feels like basic bitch work but then everyone around me thinks I have some esoteric knowledge when all I really do is google CVEs, run nmap, and nping. Just want to avoid going stale without having to job hop.

>>51063361
As far as discords go: infosec prep, h101, hack the box, tryhackme, bugcrowd, defcon. Twitter is completely fucked but if you spend time pruning your follows it can be really good after a few months weeding out the fags. If you really want to level up you will need to do it through self study. Build a cyber range, reverse malware, develop malware, do bug bounty on the side, learn underlying causes and categories of CVE's (CWE can help with this), vuln research (zero day hunting), HTB/THM labs, crackmes and other binary exploitation challenges, EDR evasion etc. The big plus to all this is that most of these activities are eventually monetizable.

Frens, how far can you go with completing tryhackme and hackthebox?

>>51065893
Bump this by telling me what those are please

>he isnt learning React and making a portfolio of apps

>>51066496
I was more interested in redeeming cybersecurity sir

>>51062726
>>51062749
This is false if you have a degree. I had two cybersecurity internships and both were paid ($15/hr & $25/hr). When I graduated I landed a job at just over 100k. Only cert I have is sec+. The key is lots of self study and getting to know the right people through clubs and internships. This industry is STARVED for people who know what they're doing. If you're competent you will be compensated accordingly.

>>51062536
diana's butt....

>>51067074
I figured as long as you put the work in and were certified in some areas, once you got through one threshold doors would start opening. I am just worried about finding that initial job. Have you any experience with people with pretty much just a bootcamp certificate? I have an associates but it is pretty much useless for this.

>>51067120
Unfortunately no, pretty much every one I know has some kind of degree (or they are legit ex-cybercriminals lmao). It sucks, but degrees in tech definitely help. Will be hard, but see if you can build on your associates to get some kind of cyber (or ideally a CS) degree. I have heard some bootcamps are very good, but the #1 thing you need to strive for is real job experience, i.e. find some way to break into an internship.

>>51067328
Im gonna look into at least auditing a class like someone else said before. I just cant go back to school for 3 years (im not a neet with no gf). Im going to try to talk to people I knew from university and see what I can come up with.

>>51062920
the only intelligent anon ive seen on this whole website

>>51068082
I get what he is saying, and I agree. The main reason I want to do it is because I learn better in that environment when I don't know jack shit about the subject. Once I get a foothold I can learn easier on my own. To be fair also, the bootcamp I linked gives you the compTIA and the CySA.

>>51062536
Learn rust. The search for rust devs is growing by the day. CS, big tech, and crypto. A lot of malware is written in rust but goes undetected kek

>>51068208
Isn't that a language made by and for trannies? TBQH I dont know anything about it. I am willing to listen if you wanna let me know ;)

>>51068257
You spend too much time on the chans kek. The linux kernel 5.20 will release written with rust. Big tech companies announced most of their backends and devops are moving to rust. Microsoft's next release is going to be based on the Linux kernel so rust. Solana is gay but all written in rust. Rust is making moves it's a low level programming language within a 10% margin of C for speed. JS is overly used where it shouldn't be JS backend is shit. Could always learn GO too but idk how that would work out with CS.

>>51062536
Just get your CCNA you'll get lots of job opportunities in network engineering.
You can also do your CISSP if you're interested in security.
>>51068208
>>51068377
Don't listen to this idiot.
Literally no one except some fags at Mozilla use Rust.

>>51062536
this kinda looks like Joe Mad's style. Who is the artist?

>>51068257
The book
>https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/

Microsoft is a super big gay but good quick basics course
>https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/learn/paths/rust-first-steps/

Rust isn't as hard as it's made out to be. It can be as complex as you want. Ownership is what confuses people that already know how to code.

>>51068416
https://www.theregister.com/2022/06/23/linus_torvalds_rust_linux_kernel/

Kek you mad pajeet? Everything is moving to rust. The biggest hacks that have been happened in the past year were written in rust and were left untraced for months. If you are in CS you better start learning rust.

Jannies banned me for 15 mins for post belle delphine pics LMAO

>>51068377
So it is another software programming language? Like I said I don't know much about it that's all I heard about it lmao. Ill have to look into that. So is it easier to learn for someone who has no background in any of this? I have heard Ruby and Python are easier for beginners as well.
>>51068416
So you would also recommend skipping bootcamp and going straight for certs?
>>51068444
No idea sorry friend. I think I found it on /wg/

>>51068540
>Jannies banned me for 15 mins for post belle delphine pics
good

>>51068540
Ruby is becoming more and more obscure fuck that shit. Python is a great language to learn but you'll need at least a year or 2 of programming and a github built up for a company to even look at you coming from a boot camp or self-taught.

>>51063062
>Don't do a cyber security one anon. You can realistically make above $50k from a fullstack bootcamp if you choose carefully and work your ass off.

agreed. do the fullstack bootcamp. cybersecurity is lower demand and higher IQ

bootcamps are a jewish ripoff

>>51062655
codemonkey here. retards like op make coffee for me. as long as internet exists i will have job security and security in general, and this makes blood of jews boil. i will milk this cow for as long as i possibly can.