/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>51020868
At least everything here is "free" right?

>>51020868
Good question

thats pretty shit
im a low skilled wagie without a degree and i make about the same, also in europistan

you should look for a better job or a raise

We are literally the same, just not computer science. Crypto is the only salvation

>>51020868
Are you fucking retarded or larping? I make 75k after taxes with the same degree and I live in the communist hell we call Germany. I’m just 2 years older with 6y of working experience.

Fucking hell anon. How do you make so little? 4-5 year exp. coders in Bulgaria and Romania make that and more. What do you do then?

>>51020868

Move to Australia it's better than everywhere else.. Assuming you like beaches, cruisy lifestyle, the best weather on the planet etc.

I don't know how people can live in a fridge for half a year.. Like it boggles my mind that people can tolerate that shit. My sister lived in Finland for a year and I remember visiting in winter.. sun went up barely over the horizon and then back down into cold bitter winter.. for more than half the year.

You're living half a fucking life

>>51020906
In Austria you have to do mandatory civil service for a year and so I started my degree at 19. Took me 7 years to get a Bachelors and Masters because I was clinically depressed with social anxiety (2 years of covid only made it worse).
Boomer employers don't want people who took forever to get their degree so I will always make minimal money. 1 year experience so far as a junior programmer, probably suicide soon.

Europeans consistently rate happier than Americans and western euro poor countries have significantly higher HDI and standards of living for their people. It’s only worse if you’re rich, and frankly I have zero fucking sympathy for any richfag whining they can’t afford a third mansion in Europistan. OP your larping is horseshit.

>German
>degree in computer engineering
>passed the bar exam
>23k a year after tax
>cousin is a retard who cant study
>earns 30k a year after tax as a retarded plumber
Fucking hell I studied for nothing

Good thing you can move to any other European countries hey?

>>51020868
Live in australia. Work for council, make roughly 1.2k a week with no certs or qualifications.

Should add a few more letters to your home country and take the australia pill OP

>>51020939
I make 10k a year and i'm happy, you are insane

>>51020939
Thanks so now we know at least that you are just an idiot who can not pinch his ass together. And of course you blame others for your situation. If you don't earn money with your degree, it's your own fault.

>>51020868
How the fuck do you make 20K in hitlerland? I'm from Slovakia which is fucking third world compared to you and I make 22K as a code monkey net one year after uni.

>>51020898
What the fuck are you talking about nigger there's very few countries in the world which are better when it comes to salaries than germany

>>51020868
>31
>live in Spain
>30k a year after tax
Cant even afford buyong a flat without saving like 10 years for a down payment
And no, I dont live in a meme city like Barcelona

>>51021070
Ate you fucking insane? Ever seen the median networth of first world citizens? Germany is well behind many many many countries for a reason. The pay is dogshit and the difference between net and gross income is the LARGEST worldwide you absolute mongo

>>51021070
And very few who rape you more on taxes and healthcare. I pay half of my salary to the government and get the same treatment life people who never payed a fucking cent in the system.

>>51020868
welcome to the club

>>51021070
LOL. Lmao even.
>t. Expat in Germany

>>51021070
Germans have admittedly second rate salaries.

Monaco > Luxembourg, Switzerland > Scandinavia > Holland > France > Belgium > Germany > South Europe > Central Europe > Eastern Europe > Balkan

>>51021188
Also I think Austria's median income is higher than France's

Get on cenno cunt.
Pays basically the same as what youre earning

>>51020868
>>live in Austria (not Australia)
I once knew an am*rican who fucking made this mistake. Americans are fucking retarded

>>51021188
Well it's still very much up there with the best countries. You summed up dozens of shitholes into South Europe > Central Europe > Eastern Europe > Balkan

>>51021308
yes, we're the reason you have to specify. you are also required to specify sweden vs switzerland. we run the world, your speech changes to suit us

>>51020868
I live in fucking Latvia and still make twice as much at 26

>>51020868
Yep

> Go to college again at 22. Had a party and drug past.
> Get compsci degree, start job
> Get only 100 euros a month more than someone who stacks boxes at a factory.
> 4 year later, I switched job 2 times. Manage to get a 30pct raise that way.
> My tax increases and I make 150 more than the guy stacking boxes now
> Did have a company car but what do you do with that? Drive to your slave job 5 days out of 7 and other than that' it just stands there.

If I just went to work at 18 I'd be way richer now. If I didn't get some Bitcoin I'd KMS lucky I dumped all my wages in Bitcoin the moment I had any money. I am doing better than any of my peers lmao. But the guy I know doing the best is someone who started construction work at 18 and has a house building company now. And an electrician with his own company. Tradies won here

that's just you being pathetic and weak
I work in a non-IT job for the Bavarian state and get much more than you lmao

>>51021321
He's right. Greece, Italy, Spain > Poland, Czech, slov > Romania, Bulgaria > balkans. All shitholes though there are nuances. But I wouldn't say Spain and Italy are worse. Higher life expectancy, healthier life and better social structure. They give a fuck of what Germans say and take they money and have a good life. Why should I care about GDP? Fuck that

>>51021372
Tax brackets make it so it doesn't really matter here in Belgium what kind of job you do. Imaybe after 20 or 30 years of slaving there's a difference. Basically when your life is over it starts paying off to have a uni or college degree lmao. Fucking joke of a country. I'm glad I gave up. The worst thing is, the less effort and such you do the more you get rewarded. Work shitty job get fired all the time? Nice you get benifits! Quit your job yourself cause employer doesn't want to give you ua raise? No benifits for you!

>>51021380
Spain was amazing quality of life and good food. Western Europe ( Netherlands Germany Netherlands) is poluted af. Can't even eat fish from the river here it's full of heavy metals and chemicals. And you need a licence lmao, and aren't actually allowed to eat your catch. Fucking scam

>>51021410
>good food
only a retard would care about this. cook your own damn food, lmfao, and not all places serve the same food. wtf

>>51021424
Lmao dude I never eat out. I meant unpoluted food fucking idiot. Western Europe has huge polution that goes with industrial areas. You loser

>>51021353
> Go to college again at 22. Had a party and drug past.
Means you had sex and not an autist - while /biz/ is genetical incel waste

> Get compsci degree, start job
Manages to finish degree, while all /biz/tards are ADHD dropouts working at Walmart after gambling away their crypto allowance. Working min wage till rope/death

Learn to read the room and stop complaining nig

>>51020868
I managed to land a full time job in the state while halfway through my masters. I still need to finish my disertation and take a small class but after that i get about 60k more a year guaranteed. 24 years old.

>>51021353
University is a massive waste of time for most. Millenial trades absolutely obliterated them. More money all around and earlier.

>never studied cs
>live in Balkans
>work remote job for 100k net

just gotta play the game bro, take some risk, don't slave away for 20k your employer is ripping you off. Or if you do work for little money at least make sure it pumps your cv

>>51021707
Small protip: contractors in eastern Europe make at least 400-500 Eur day rate. If you are local you should be EASILY be able to compete and youd make your yearly wage in half a year.

>>51021188
Southern Euro countries have lower wages than central european ones.

>>51020868
>1 year in the work force
>earning below average wage
This is on you, you stupid fuck. If you’re in the same boat in 5 years maybe continue to doompost

>>51020939
>7 years is forever
Im too afraid to share how long i will need to finish

>>51020868
I will move to America or die trying.

>>51020898
>75k after tax in germany
Nice larp, whats that, 140k brutto?

>>51020887
that's a man

The only ecosystem I'm using now is Life Beyond. cuz:

>AAA Blockchain powered MMORPG
>Open Alpha is live
>Upcoming NFT Drop
>True Ownership of in-game items

Bro you have to be one hell of a loser. I am also Austrian and I made more than that at 20 straight out of high school and after military service of course. I now make 32k/year after taxes at 23 while never having stepped foot into a university. I work as an executive assistant if that matters.

>>51020868
How can this be? I live in Australia, I have no degree I learnt how to do my job on the job and I take home 60k after tax.

>>51022216
Come to maryland we let anyone in and you'll be in direct competition with the absolute laziest people to ever breathe air.

>>51022307
And also even though I earn slightly more than my friends, they all earn 30k or close to with just a high school degree (matura) so I really don't know what you're on about.

>>51022307
I have a Masters (Diplom Ingenieur) in Computer Science as well. Took me 8 years to graduate, started looking for a job at 28, never worked a day in my life. Most junior positions which require 0 previous experience didn't even invite me to an interview and some company now hired me for 22K a year after taxes.

>>51022234

>>51020940
>erm actually the polls say you're happy
I love leftists

>>51020868
>technical University
Theres your problem. What have you expected, if you want big money from programming in Dach you need a real University degree as in Master, Bachelor8kmsrx

>>51022405
>if you want big money from programming in Dach you need a real University degree as in Master, Bachelor8kmsrx
I got the classic Diplom Ingenieur which is basically a Masters. Technical University just means Technische Universität which I think is not even a thing in America.

>>51020868
if you were actually skilled in computer programming and learning code, you could learn a real skill and get into web development
it doesn't matter where you live in this career, you get what you deserve for expecting anything out of a "college education"
fucking wagie
I make $20,000 stocking shelves on nightshifts
>>51020898
this, anyone who learns how to read and write consistent code can easily make 80k
>>51022405
>you need eh degree to learn languages at home
yeah just shove an extra buttplug of propaganda and creative stunting with that side of hyperinflation, I'm sure no medical conditions will come as a result

>>51021707
>>51021738
balkanfag here, please share what you do how where

I'd be happy with like 20% of what you make

>>51020868
>tfw people can make that much moving boxes in America

>>51022377
>28
>absolutely 0 work experience

There is the problem.

But for real what are you guys doing? Even the apprentices at the company I work for when they finish and after 2-3 years make 2k netto * 14 or close to at like 20 years old and they don't even have a high school degree.

>>51022530
>But for real what are you guys doing?
Was clinically depressed, spent most of my time playing videogames, reading books, watching anime and browsing 4Chan. When the interviewer asked why I have never worked a job in my life at 28 I just said that I was lazy.
In the West, if you are a loser once you will always be a loser, I guess I deserve it but it still makes me suicidal that there is no trajectory upwards for me even with the degree, I will always stay at minimum salary and live a life alone and unloved.

>>51022397
I’m far right dip shit
Fucking Christ cuckservatives are the absolute worst posters on this site.

>>51022343
The state is irrelevant, you meme country refuses to give work visas normally. Joe even removed the salary priority cheeto man added in to prevent poorfags from arriving.

>>51021323
>we run the world
the federal reserve is a private venture by the bank of england

>>51020868
Liar, I make more in Slovakia and could double in Vienna

Move to the US & get a job at fang & make 450k+ after 6-7 years, easy.

Source: me

>>51022595
the bank of england is a private venture of Israel

Austria is a joke. I make 32,5k after tax here, 47,6k before. But I live in the southern state where the wages are lower

>>51022220
>140
he's either working remotely or freelancing which is both incomparable to waging
waging at 140k in germany : yeah no, that's a larp

>>51020868
>Austria (not Australia)
are they not the same place?

i earn more than that and i already felt bad about it
my way of dealing with it has been to create my own projects, sell them to get passive income and finally to use crypto

>>51022639
i would but requires vaccine and i don't like americans
maybe remote work is an option, but then the taxes still apply

How the fuck do you earn so little in countries like Austria or Germany..?

I'm a Dutchie with a high school diploma and earn 48k a year at 31.

>>51020868
I'm a self employed Austrian software engineer and earn 70 euros per hour. You fell for the wagecuck meme. Many of my colleagues did so too.

>>51022899
that's not that much, but yeah
in my country (Belgium) freelancing is the way to go since you can do it through a company and reduce taxes
then it becomes possible to set aside 60-70k net a year

>>51022913
No, that's after taxes... I earn like 73k a year

>>51020868
Also tell me what company you work for op. I might be able to hook you up with something better if you're a halfway decent developer

>>51021308
just rename your country. it's our money

>>51021308
Well mate, let's throw another shrimp on the barbie!

>>51022572
Shut up faggot

>>51022986

>>51022644
Of Jews. Don't use that name anon <3

>>51022855
Aus means east; one is just further east than the other ;)

>>51020939
I'm probably getting to the same situation as you. Getting a CS degree in Europoorstan and depressed. This past year's preformance was embarassing and considering not finishing at all, and settle for a wagie job.

>>51022210
pls make me feel better and tell me, anon.

>>51021243
20k euro I assume aus anon. afaik cenno would only be 15k if that, aud. 20k euro js about 30k aud atm, and thats low, normal exchange rate if not for le war would be like 40 or 50k aud.
Also housing js a lot cheaper in germ/aust/europe generally. so its going to go further. food and drink is also cheaper there.
i make like 80k aud after tax (120ish gross). but housing is minimum 20k per year.

>>51021122
How? Spain is one of the cheapest countries to live in, flats are cheap as fuck. Try saving for a house in a place like Ireland and you’ll know pain

>>51020868
>Computer Science
"have you tried turning it off and on again?" kinda course huh. should have studied harder to get to a good uni.

>live in Spain
>have International Trade studies
>make about 33k a year brut as a Supply planner
>can live comfy
>30 years old
I was worse than you 2 years ago though, I had only temporary jobs, 0 stability. I got lucky finding this job I guess.

>>51020868
Ich stell dich an. Gib mir deine Kontaktdaten.

>>51020868
> Be OP
> Be low test
> Constantly stuck in low paying jobs
> Get an education in hopes of improvement
> Still low test
> Still not assertive during negotiations
> Employers see weakness
> Realize you negotiate like a woman
> Employers take advantage
> OP accepts low payment
> OP cries on /biz

I make 70k a year and still feel like I make fucking nothing, how do Euros even survive?

You should try working in the Netherlands. With your degree you will make 40k minimum. BUT costs of living are higher here so net you will only make 10k more. Still worth it imo if you stay here for a few years

>>51020887
His knees are all red

>>51020868
Good question, here in Sweden you basically have to take out a bank loan if you want to buy anything major like housing or a car. People don't even hesitate to become loan slaves in the first place but it's either that or live like a church mouse to avoid the loan trap.

>>51022583
Americans have an irrational hate of immigrants but it's as bad as south Korea

>>51020868
It's true I'm a faggot zogbot MAJ living in hungary and I'm living like a king. I have a 6 bedroom 3500sq or 310 meters. It also has a wine caller on a half acre out side budapest. Pretty nice for 2200 euro. I could live in a shitty place for 2200$ in any large American city.

I'm living like a king for around 130k a year.

>>51024252
I had no fucking idea what VAT was when I came here but apparently all these faggot Europeans pay 18 to 27% sales tax on everything, they do let these peasants pay less on food and rent. Funny thing is I'm VAT exempt so I get even more of a discount then the europoors. I'm not kidding when I say I actually feel sorry for them at how bad they are getting dicked down.

I

>>51020868
wo wohnst?
hast wenigstens a günstige wohnung?

>>51024306
You cannot comprehend my suffering when everything I want to buy has a 20% import tax and 25% VAT.

>>51024210
Americans love poor immigrants.

>>51022216
just take a plane here lol. brandon won't deport anyone

>>51021308
it's not my fault your country has been insignificant since the 1930s. It'd be alot easier if you Australia just annexed you

I make 80K a year but I hate my life. The work schedule is brutal (12 hour days) I'm on call 24/7, and I end up working about 60 hours a week.
Being a salary employee is such a fucking scam.

>>51024325
Yes I was actually blown the fuck away when I found out about VAT, it's 27% here in hungary on most goods. I have some tax number where I save my receipts and turn them in every few months to get money back, I think food is less but I was annoyed at the 27% tax on a lot of shit. Also why in the fuck is it around 1000 euro to hunt deer here? Then I have to buy the meat back?! Hunting in America Is 1000x better.

Don't get me wrong I like living in europe for the lack of Africans and arabs but germany is fucking that up.

>>51021122
>be me, live in USA
>Get job making 60k a year
>Before taxes
>takes me 60 hours a week
>No overtime
>$300 a month in gas to get to work
>$800 a month in rent
>$800 deducted from paycheck each month for (useless) health insurance that doesn't pay for shit
>$400 in taxes
>$400 for lease on car so that it doesn't cost $800 a month in gas.
>Total income after all is said and done:
>$1300 of which I usually keep around $800 to spend on nice things.
>fuck this.
>Take 10k a year pay cut.
>Make 55k a year to get a new job where insurance doesn't come out of my check and where gas is close to 0$ because it's nearby
>Quality of life substantially improves.

... of course, I've got a fucking PhD and I'm still getting absolutely screwed. Property prices in my area are nuts, so there's no real hope of ever owning a home. I figure I'll just vote for whichever politician first advocates for seizing property from californians and redistributing it to locals. The shooting is going to start soon I think. How many under-employed PhD level chemists do you think you can have in your country before things get real?

$33.6k yearly net salary as a fresh compsci masters in Ukraine with only one summer internship experience

>>51024436
but damn you europeans for siphoning all women

>>51024400
Views while downtown are nice, it's also a culture shock for me to see that downtown areas are not shitholes I expected the lack of nogs but not how nice downtown is. Paris is a shithole down town tho and looks like San Francisco with shit and garbage everywhere.

>>51020868
Cool. Bachelor degree here. Was passing y Austria earlier this year. Was offered a job in Vienna in a startup company for 49k euro annually. That's about 34.5k after taxes. Passed because 1) employee wanted a contract in such a way that would prevent me from working for another one simultaneously and 2) also wanted me to be in the office at least 2 days a week. I'm in the WFH gang.
And I'm just one year older than you.

>>51024525
Do you remember the name of the company?

>>51020868
Yes I realized that at 24 after I went on holiday to the US and Canada.

>>51024750
What, you want to apply there?
Personally I would not bother with salaries, if you are just a student for the very first year of your work. Once I finished Uni my salary on the first job, for the first 5 months was about 300$ per month after taxes (it was an IT job but not even programming). Then I found another job, and it only got better from there on. And the best trick is having multiple jobs. A part-time remote position in at least one company while you do the main most-paying one. Not every company may agree to this, but once you have a lot of experience and you can go business-to-business (where you are one man company).
Don't treat a single job as you would treat a marriage. And maybe check glassdoor and other websites that give you average going rate for your occupation, and always try to find something that pays better, while trying to avoid anything that pays less than average going rate.

Another annoying thing I stumbled upon was having to make good photos for your resume. It was disheartening to discover that HR and whatever tech person who interviews you focus on very different things. HR may not even read your cv and decide to interview you just because you look good, while the tech person behind the HR will actually grill you on what you are supposed to know to do the job.
Good luck anons.

>>51024869
Of course not, I'd just like to know. You've got to stay informed about the competition

>>51021353
was about to comment "Sounds like Belgium" and then I saw >>51021395
Great country where the only way to make it is starting a company, and even then you're only "wealthy" if you can make use of the tax benefits that come with it
I got a shell company with low 6 digits in cash (it's passive but rapidly declining income) but what's the point? car is not worth it and it's not enough money for real estate tax spoofery

>t. 22yo about to resume my studies for a worthless comp-sci degree cause I otherwise get taxed more on my company :)

>>51022557
>I just said that I was lazy.
Just tell them you were exploring business ventures or working on some personal compsci related projects, why would ever tell them you were lazy?
If you can't lie then go build up a portfolio right now so they become truths

>>51025054
>If you can't lie then go build up a portfolio right now so they become truths
>will take another 2 years to build a solid portfolio
>"Anon, why did you take 10 years to finish your degree?"
>"Oh, it took me 10 years to build this simple compiler and this shitty website"
>not hired for brainlet
Yeah, right.

i make 20k after taxes as a blue collar worker in germany without any college degree. i put the valves into gas cylinders and put the bottles into steal beam pallets each day for the last years. i can save up to 50-70% each month. and i put it all into the stock market and crypto.

>>51021738
Seconding the other guy. What do you do exactly, because my daily rate is 155 eurobucks and I can't find anything that pays more and is remote.

>>51022859
But then after taxes, at least you’ll be making more than your average McDonald’s worker

>>51020868
Stop spamming this thread on different boards you retarded euro

>>51025221
What do you do? Are you specialized in something? Where are you looking? How many YoE do you have?
If you are using Upwork just stop

Build a online presence and good cv and find good recruiters for your specialization. You are specialized right?

>>51026688
Bro, I make 3d models for games. It's an art field, so it's inherently not paid as good as coding. But it can get you decent money in eastern EU especially if working remotely. I have 8 yoe including senior positions, but my portfolio is outdated since I need to sit down and work on something other than my actual job for that and who wants to do the same stuff you do at work after work for free.
Excuses, excuses.

How do people even get good jobs? I just finished my bs in physics and this shit feel hopeless

>>51020868
You are cucking urself if you rely on a single source of income wagie

>>51020868
stop larping
if you have a masters and you dont make at least 35k after tax in austria you are an idiot

>>51020952
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>51020887
Who is this semen daemon? Pls post moar!

>>51020868
you chose the wrong degree for your country.
if you studied CS you have to work at: london, zurich, or california, any other country/city and you're cucked

>>51027202
>if you have a masters and you dont make at least 35k after tax
Wow, incredible 35k for 4 years of education!

Right and this is why I recommend having goals that aren't just money driven.

Notice how the media and the PUA are constantly like "you a looser if you don't buy X, you a looser if you don't do X".

Its a big scam and your not part of it.

>>51027655
Almost all educations become a joke. Work your ass off litrally or in class. Get taxed to oblivion in order to pay for some nigger or literal nigger who wants to sit around drinking 40s while some 40 yo female with 3 cats pats herself on the back for "solving poverty".

>>51027617
Ask me how I know your a leftist working in the education industry.

>>51027811
Yeah welcome to the Europoor experience. It makes me depressed that the whole world is moving towards this. Things aren't as bad in America or even Australia yet though.

>>51027790
loser* and you're* and the whole point of a job which isn't artistic(animation, film, video games, art, music) is to make money. Having a college in a first world country should guarantee you at least 100k in 3-4 years and 60k starting salary.

>>51020868
Why don't you breed kangaroos or go dig for gold in some dirt? Would probably make more AUD that way.

>>51027947
There's gold in Australia?

>>51028064
After capital territory, which doesn't really count, northern territory and western australia have the best salaries on average since there's so much industry there.

I have a Masters in CS. I live in the US. I make $200k with 3 years experience

But at least your degree was free!

>>51027883
>Having a college in a first world country should guarantee you at least 100k in 3-4 years and 60k starting salary.
How do you actually pull that off?

>>51028160
You live in the usa and do a real degree.

>>51027823
what the fuck are you talking about? I'm literally studying CS right now, and I'm going from what I've read on the internet, in general in london, zurich and california SE make more money

>>51023116
Gonna be 2 digits

Eurochad here making $200k working as engineer for amerifags crypto project.

I do 10-12 hours aof real work a week (oh these smart contracts are so coMplex burger CTO with 0 blockchain experience) and the best part is that I get paid in crypto and dont even pay income tax.

Would not move to US unless I was making 600k a year desu

>>51028277
how did you learn about smart contracts and crypto as a SE? and how did you get your job?

>>51024423
>chemists
oof, you fucked up bro.

Just drop it, chemistry is dead in the US. I switched to finance. Way better pay and I'm not hanging around carcinogens all day. Or I guess you can go the Uncle Ted route, you do you.

Imo none of this bullshit is really worth the hassle. I'm just going to be a bloodsucking leech and do my best to be part of the problem, you know? Malicious compliance.

But yeah, get out of chemistry man, it's fucking dead. I know it hurts to walk away from years of commitment, but sometimes you gotta just, get over your hang ups and bet on yourself. Oughta take my own advice haha. Anyways, the grass is greener outside of chem, I promise you. You might take a pay cut at first, but at least you'll be on track to make something worthwhile down the line.

>>51028167
Is physics not a real degree? How do people even start their careers?

>>51024423
Oh, you could also try selling specialty chemicals. Personally, I would've fucked that all up cause I wasn't much of a people person at the time. But exposure therapy is how you change it.

My understanding is specialty chemicals has some good margin on the sell side, so can be quite lucrative. Just gotta work on that winning personality

>be low IQ
>dropped out of stem
>moved to texas. make $50-60k/yr from wagin n investing.

feels good to be mutt

> how did you learn about smart contracts and crypto as a SE? and how did you get your job?

Anon I was already a SE for 5 years, in 2018 I started to start solidity and read about security etc.
Its not really that hard, the keep things safe is the most important part and one that scares many people away

Demand for solidity devs is slowing down but last summer it was insane I interviewed for $350k jobs

>>51028615
I don't think physics is a great degree to be honest. It's hard and it's respected but it's not employable in the same way CS, EE, or even business are. Whatever job you get you're going to need training more than if you had a degree in something else. I say this as someone with a math degree who has been turned down for positions and given this as the reason. Eventually I got one but I do regret not just doing CS.
>How do people even start their careers?
It's only a problem for your first job. If you just did a degree in, say, CS then you can do an internship or walk into a junior position at least as easily as any other graduate but if you did a degree in physics sure you're probably smart enough to do a tech job but why would they hire you over a CS graduate? Once you have experience that problem goes away.
Jobs in academia and research are fucking shit and good luck getting tenured before you're 35. Maybe if you're a physics phd there are S tier jobs at Lockheed Martin but I can't imagine there are that many and a phd is a very big commitment.

>>51020868
austria have low purchasing power compared to other eu countries

https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp

>>51020868
I don't get this meme. I mean, living with not much money is bad but imagine living in america, even with money. A nigger leaves his shitbull roam around? Welp your leg is gone. A random schizo with a gun shoots your local walmart? Guess you're dead. Bitch in the workplace files a sexism complaint or some shit? No job anymore. Not to talk about your kids turning into trannies thanks to schools and universities
I think I'll stay poor in a less mentally ill and jewed country

>>51028900
This might be shocking to you but the reason house prices vary by massive amounts in the us, and why HOAs exist, is because you pay to not live around niggers and with crazies. Try actually visiting and you would see that most of it is just normal except people have massive homes, new things, modern appliances, and just a better quality of life. Public stuff sucks and you would have to send your kids to private schools but at least here it's heading that way anyway. I don't think I would trust my kid going to public school anymore when I eventually have some. I'm only 26 and before I left school we started to leaen about trannies and gender and crap.

>>51028953
You may have better objects but the whole culture and environment is fucked up. And even if the school's private it's going to get shot up anyway

>>51028825
physics is great if you want to be a financial analyst or a quant. If I did that I'd skip the whole STEM thing and go straight for Goldman's sack

>>51029057
>even if the school's private it's going to get shot up anyway
Yes, every single school in the US gets shot up.

I really don't understand why people actually think this way. Do you seriously think the entirety of a country as large as the US is like what you see on sensationalist TV and in news articles? Actually visit a lot of it is really nice.
>the whole culture and environment is fucked up.
Yeah because Europe isn't. Wake the fuck up retard. We are just 5 years behind the US but all the shit they get we get too. We're a satellite of the USA. Anyone who still can't see this with Ukraine etc is just a retard or lying to themselves. Maybe Poland etc escape it but in western europe kids learn all about lgbtq poz shit and how to have gay sex at school.

Tired of other Europeans being like this. It's why we have gone nowhere in twenty years and are falling further and further behind.

>>51029210
Any person who went to the us told me that it is such a bizzarre experience. People there are extremely fake and never speak their truth
I'm sorry for your country but not all europe teaches kids that gay is good, maybe sweden and germs.
But hey you can try it out and see how it is maybe I'm wrong but I'd prefer to live in some 3rd world country

>>51020868
Wtf even i made 25k after tax with just a HTL degree.
But rn I'm doing a bsc and later on a msc in comp sci to jump the boat. Preferably Liechtenstein, but Switzerland or the us are fine too.

>>51024423
>property prices in my area are nuts
>meanwhile I'm only paying 800/mo in rent
>300 a month in gas
mmmm, a lotta these numbers aren't adding up, anon...

>>51029339
>People there are extremely fake and never speak their truth
It's the same here and I'm honestly fine with that day to day. My coworkers are my coworkers I have my friends outside of that and I already have American friends.
Maybe it's different if you're Greek or Latvian or something but here it really is just America with worse salaries, more taxes, more expensive stuff, and walkable cities, which I would miss.
>But hey you can try it out
Yeah, I wish. I failed the H1B lottery once and finding a sponsor isn't easy.

Honestly there is a big appeal to the Southern Euro lifestyle I can entirely understand why someone there would be content but that's a place to retire to or remote work I guess.

>>51020868
Dang man that's pretty sad. How much do people with shit jobs like working at a warehouse make?

Looking forward to the Phase 2 of the NEVM where Syscon will introduce zkrollups to the platform. And this will not only bring NEVM speeds up to over 200,000 transactions per second; far beyond what is theorized for ethereum 2.0, but will also allow projects built atop the syscon platform to institute zero fees within their applications.

>>51020939
>Boomer employers don't want people who took forever to get their degree

I found a limiting belief for you to overcome, which is holding you back financially.

>>51029452
literally the same.
If people actually realized, how much more they could make in the us, and that every decent employer insures his employees anyway (80% have coverage) then skilled people would be leaving in droves.
Unironically the political hysteria of the us media keeps skilled people from Europe away.

>>51020939
I'm at a similar pay in the same region. Local firms pay shit and coworkers are boomers who will defend their 20y old tech stacks to their graves.

>>51020952
... bar exam??
for computer engineering??

>>51029167
Do they take people with just a bachelor's?

>>51020868
Fellow europoor. I do unschooled work and earn more than you. Have you tried not being a cuck and asking for a payraise or moving to s different employee?

>>51030501
yeah, course a PhD will give you more clout, obviously. but I mean, a proper math background like that with a fresh start in finance; I'm sure there are recruiters wetting their panties at a chance to shape and mold a fresh physics grad.

>>51022861
Doing what, might I ask?

>>51022861
Dutchie earning 80K on a 36 hour contract here as a software developer.

>>51020868
Wtf bro? I live in Belgium and I make 800k a month working as a software engineer without a degree and food, rent and healthcare are free here. Also I have a blue eyed 195cm tall blonde gf, I am giga chaddy chad chad ^~^
You are a larper, europa is best :D

>>51020939
Experience > Degree. Once you have your 3+ years you'll be good off to change jobs to raise your salary.

>>51021424
You are incel the food is so foodie here haha food your gf won't care if you get a little chubby chub chub because the food is fricking foodlicious in europe ah food

>>51021243
hello fellow based neet anon
i have to ask you, is there a way to get a credit card while on cenno?

>>51027655
>4 years
Kek masters are 5 years, in germany atleast, 3 years bachelor + 2 years master

>>51020893
I work two jobs and use the earning from the second smaller job to fund my crypto wallet. I've been staking EGLD and UTK on Maiar to earn passive income and stay afloat. So far so good.

>tfw 44k gross
>literally done nothing for 7 months now as the client kept postponing, cancelled the project 2 months ago and nothing new is lining up
>too lazy to change job
>too lazy to do anything productive
NEETness is a disease
Whatever you do keep the engine running. I've never been this bad for me

>>51033405
>>51022861
This is after taxes? ...
I'm considering being an assistant professor in CS in NL but with tax reductions am only looking at ~41k net per year...

Imagine being in tech and not able to get a more than average salary. It means you a) don't negotiate b) negotiate poorly or c) you're an underperformer. Either way check yourself, stop whining about living in a 1st world country and resigning to be poor.

These threads are pathetic.

>>51020893
>euro -0.5%
>crypto -5%
There's no escape

>>51034461
I feel you
40k gross and 75% remotely. On 8h shift have maybe 1-2h actual work. I am forcing myself to learn something new but its super hard to motivate and also I am talking shit about this job as its boring and I need change but on the other hand too lazy to find something ehhh

>>51020868
That's a poor salary OP. QANplatform is looking for based programmers like. If you're that, apply. The pay is worth it.
They are based in Europe, so you should find it easy.

>>51020939
>boomer bosses don't want people who took forever for their degree
guess i'm fucked then, wasted 2 years trying to do comp science and now finally getting my bachelor in tourism sciences, might make it with a master but can't really get in anyting fast other than more tourism sciences or cinema stuff

>>51020990
Motherfucker you live in moldova/Albania

>>51034921
And? Is your burger brain to fried to understand that people can be happy regardless? Not everyone needs a starbucks at every corner to consooom goyslop

>historian with a minor in economics
>will graduate this semester
I’ll try an internship in a finance/investment position and see how it goes from there

>>51020868
I like these threads because they either invite europoor cope, outright lies and/or disconnected individuals. Enjoy your globalist lie you bought hook line and sinker. The US is next.

>>51020939
Wtf Im in the same shit as you, except that I wont ever finish my degree. Going on year 8 now.

>>51021188
Netherlands has inferior salaries vs Germany and the UK. We also have higher taxes: 50% income tax and no capital gains tax. The government wants to raise both... And it's the "fiscally conservative" party that has reigned for 20 years that's leading this initiative. This country is far worse off than its neighbors, except Belgium. It's been anti-laborer and pro-investor so far, which I could live with, but now it's turning anti-investor as well. I'm leaving for the US or Switzerland asap. I hope they accept me even if I'm white.

>>51020868
>er ist nicht auf sozialhilfe und arbeitet daneben schwarz
NGMI

>>51020868

Bro I'm in the legit same spot kek
Idk why do I even live...

>>51022485
Sei honey

>>51032141
>>51033405
>>51034665

48k after taxes. I'm a project manager at a big company in the Netherlands that starts with a P.

Luck has something to do with it, it always has, but also just making yourself useful.

>hate my high paying job
>want to switch to a more enjoyable, lower paying job
>everything is getting mad expensive
stuck in hell

>>51020990
>>51034991
C O P E
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>>51023245
Ich habe 69 balle

>>51020868
>t. living in hyperinflation
stack metals/crypto
hoard food/meds/ammo
fuck keynesians and banks

>>51020939
>>51022210
>>51034869
>>51035164
You guys are completely right. I can only feel complete and unbridled sneed at losers like you, for embarking into a fucking degree without the slightest idea and no wherewithal to finish it in the fucking STIPULATED time. It's obvious you are enabled to waste your lives away in such a manner, and you should have directed such a waste of resources into fueling a drug addiction, because at least that way you would get to properly EXPERIENCE something, and with any luck end up either kys and saving everyone the trouble, or manning the fuck up and getting your worth properly measured.

>>51020868
kek i made more than that being a box boy at my first job

>>51036003
>your only worth as a man is if you can provide efficient labour to your employer and society as a whole
Talk about cuckoldry. Have fun slaving away.

>>51034461
>>51034860
What do you work as?

I want a Job where I can just shitpost most of the day from home.

>>51020868
>Masters in CS
>Why do u not move to the US?

Syscon will be the first one to combine rollux with BTC proven security ETH flexibility, i think Syscon can surprise a lot of investors and developers with the fastest, cheapest and most secure network.

>>51020868
youa re an idiot, you can make more as a waiter than with your cs degree
I bet you studied wirtschaftsinformatik which is not CS
also why waste time to get a degree, write python scripts or do some javascript work and you make this almost in 2 month

>>51020868
Also europoor here, I make 40k a year with only a welding certificate.
I started with 1300 a month when I left school at 19. Changed jobs a few times and whalla. I haven't been welding for years tho, cause it sucks desu. Just have a little patience, build experience and move to the next job.

>>51036462
Consulting firm as a developer. I've had some busy projects but the last one is almost a year ago

>>51024423
Just cook some meth bro