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>>50875029
I think you underestimate paranoid, freedom-loving turboautists.

I <3 monerochan

START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL
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>START MINING IN P2POOL

P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shutdown/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't; It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. When P2Pool reaches 51% of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.


YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL DIRECTLY FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET!

If you have a PC or laptop:

1. Download Monero GUI
https://i.imgur.com/ZGefPef.png

2. Pick 'Advanced' mode
https://i.imgur.com/4c0uSE4.png

3. Set up your wallet
https://i.imgur.com/4lMKh00.png

4. Keep the default Daemon settings "Start a node automatically in the background"
https://i.imgur.com/maACmmT.png

5. Once sync'd, go to Advanced->Mining and pick 'P2Pool'. If you have a laptop or low-end PC (~50 kH/s) pick "Mini" pool, else pick "Main"
https://i.imgur.com/E60JeMG.png

P2Pool-compatible remote nodes if you do not have your own local copy of the blockchain:

>p2pmd.xmrvsbeast.com - (Western Europe) (rpc-port 18081, zmq-port 18083)
>myxmr.net - (Northern Europe) (rpc-port 18081, zmq-port 18083)

OTHERWISE SWITCH TO A SMALLER POOL, IT TAKES YOU 30 SECONDS AND YOU CAN JUST SOURCE A DIFFERENT CONFIG FILE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FUCK UP YOUR EXISTING ONE.

Many inexperienced miners think that big pools give better profits which is not the case. Your profits in the long run depend only on your hashrate, not on the pool's hashrate.

https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****


Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://monero.com/marketplace
https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/
https://acceptedhere.io/catalog/currency/xmr/

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (currently US only)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors

>AlphaBay
>Asur Market
>Chimera Market (recently launched, exercise caution)
>Cloud Market (recently launched, exercise caution)
>Darkmoon (recently launched, exercise caution)
>FilthyFellas
>Mellow Market (recently launched, exercise caution)
>Retro Market (recently launched, exercise caution)
Onion links: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/8fg2g


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Kilos
>Majestic Bank
>Elude
>Infinity Project
https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/8cunb


>Poker Club: play no-limit Texas Hold'em in real time with 2-8 players over the safety of Tor with the privacy of Monero! No user account required.
http://pokerggxmrvzecuo6afhucjwdljuve5eoavxdxdr6zedyejd6mvz5wad.onion

>XMR Poker
http://xmrpoker3icphjr7c6dgct3by44ph4xvxrds4jzwjkjh7h2owdf6icyd.onion


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://magicgrants.org/funds/monero/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

>The irrational exuberance of cryptocurrency investors

Irrational exuberance is characterized as a hype-fueled mania that causes investors to massively overestimate an asset's real-world value. In this delusional state, investors tend to become so smitten with expectations of greater profits that they disregard the assets’ potentially weak fundamentals and drink the proverbial Kool-Aid.

This then leads to them recklessly and repeatedly buying into whatever asset is currently rising in the charts, thereby triggering and/or sustaining an asset bubble. This bubble is kept inflated solely by the mass delusion that the market price is justified and will only keep going up in future, effectively becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. Note that bubbles can last for years, especially in an age of easy investor on-boarding. However, when history inevitably repeats and the bubble bursts that optimism invariably turns into panic as the asset crashes back down to its real-world value.

In finance, the "greater fool theory" suggests that one can sometimes make money through the purchase of overvalued assets—items with a purchase price drastically exceeding the intrinsic value—if those assets can later be resold at an even higher price.

In this context, one "fool" might pay for an overpriced asset, hoping that he can sell it to an even "greater fool" and make a profit. This only works as long as there are enough new "greater fools" willing to pay higher and higher prices for the asset. Eventually, investors can no longer deny that the price is out of touch with reality, at which point a sell-off can cause the price to drop significantly until it is closer to its fair value, which in some cases could be zero.

This effect is often further exacerbated by herd mentality, whereby people hear stories of others who bought in early and made big profits, causing those who did not buy to feel a fear of missing out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g

>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total Bitcoin = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings Bitcoin would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per Bitcoin and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL.

And that’s assuming energy costs do not increase at all over the next 120 years, which they will.

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

Reporting in
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>>50875168
YOUR ALL GOING TO JAIL

>>50875467
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Whats the deal with minexmr? Have they shut down today?

>>50875701
we have been screeching this from the rooftops since it was announced.

>>50875334
Based.

>>50875168
I attended TOS-Con this year, and this guy Wolf von Laer gave a retarded talk about Bitcoin. One thing I did take away from it though, aside from the fact that he's just wrong on many points (especially about XMR), is that he buys a certain amount of BTC every day automatically.
Is there a way to do that with a p2p exchange like LocalMonero? I'm not doing KYC, looking to get about $10 USD worth (after fees) every day, ideally would do it through PayPal/CashApp/Venmo/etc.
I'm also fine with an intermediary process (e.g. auto-buy ETH, swap automatically to XMR). I just believe in Monero as a currency and want to trickle some funding in.

>>50876202
>$10 a day
getting eaten alive by fees

Why not just do a $70 buy once a week?

Monero is finished it's over, once ETH 2.0 comes out it drops to zero.

>>50876395
That's fine too. The general trajectory goal is roughly $10/day, if it's batched then so be it. I'd like to do it more frequently than monthly though, because the current speculative market, as unfortunate as it is, isn't a reality I can ignore.
>>50876412
That is (and you are) retarded.

>>50876412

Transaction count is super high today. Apparently it's because MineXMR is sending out its final payments before shutting down. I wonder if we'll set a new record.

>>50876412
>once ETH 2.0
Oh is it finally time?
Like now? What did the Russian scam artist promised this time?
Do I still have time to buy popcorn?

>>50876432
I've been doing 10% of my income for a few years now and it's working nicely, go for it.

tph is booming right now

>>50876650
>you should try going outside

I do, every day.

Monerochan a cute.

>>50875168
Anons your participation needed, post advices and monerochans

Global Hyperinflation General /GHG/ >>>/pol/390806106

>>50876610
Holy shit, you must be loaded. XXXX territory, I bet.

Has anyone used Bisq to buy XMR before? How's the liquidity compared to changenow?

>>50877807
bisq is a pain in the ass.
you have to buy btc with bisq, then sell btc for xmr.
if youre trying to use a form of fiat then go with localmonero, they also have tor and i2p sites
>http://nehdddktmhvqklsnkjqcbpmb63htee2iznpcbs5tgzctipxykpj6yrid.onion/
>http://yeyar743vuwmm6fpgf3x6bzmj7fxb5uxhuoxx4ea76wqssdi4f3q.b32.i2p/

>>50877836
I have a BTC ATM near me. I want to go crypto-to-crypto without evading the Binance geoblock.

>>50877380
I'll never disclose but my income is definitely not as high as you think it is lol.

>>50877869
an atm will fuck you with fees, use it if youd like.
localmonero crypto-crypto is cheapest method on the site. but bisq isnt too complicated, its just tedious and the UI is trash.

>>50877869
forgot to add, if you go with an atm, wear a mask and sunglasses. they got cameras

so many transactions

>>50877970
One of the Coof Scamdemic benefits is that now you can wear a hat+sunglasses+mask+gloves (functionally the same as a sky mask) without people freaking out.

>>50878693
Would breed.

As a Circle of the Moon druid, Monerochan has access to the POLAR BOBO form of wild shape (also overpowered as fuck, druids are a 10/10 class).

>>50878760
>Circle of the Moon
That game was so good once you had the GameCube GBA adapter or a GBA SP so you could actually play it with a backlight. It was nearly impossible on the original dim GBA.

Get in the monero space right now!!!

https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1rmxPgyjoLjJN

>>50876202
Might as well just mine it.

Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, doesn’t it?” Michelle said dryly. “That the boy most likely to become the next Unabomber has a crush on you?

Reminder that Saturday nights are Poker Nights!

>>50879193
Why do you have a hedgehog in a box? Let him go

>>50879282
Isn't Sunday Poker day?

>>50879441
lol right? living in shit with no woodchips

>>50879568

Its always been Saturday. But you can play anytime you want.

>>50879193
anon, give him a fuckin structure and a ball to play with or something you just put sonic in solitary confinement for no reason

>>50879193
I had a hedgehog.
Worst pet ever. Just let him go or give him proper care.

moneromarket.io

>>50874892
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtEqgG2EdTs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzU6LA7TTrY

>>50880382
>tfw not american.

>>50880516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeP-Zx7uqrE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT0yoo9B2Bc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-JogJ7UQHE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBKBI7DOLHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi_vwyPRxOI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl5yRIfNuWQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIFAIXMwnWo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETD_rQqDKhc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhGK40MxuFs

something in here should get you feeling right.

>>50880916
Based.
https://youtu.be/XjvBP7JzbFM

>>50875467
>YOU'RE

Bros my gui wallet says it's still on version 17.3.2-release. I'm using manjaro linux and version 18.1.0 hasn't been pushed to the official repos yet. Should I just wait until it's updated in the repos or should I try and compile the new version? I regularly spend monero so it's kind of a problem if I'm not able to broadcast transactions from an old wallet.

>>50875168
Fellas this is an historical moment. Get in now.

How does it feel knowing the coin you're holding is now facilitating the transatlantic cocaine trade?

>>50883415

>>50883415
still better than $ € £ ¥ ₪ ₹ ₩ ₱ ₽

I want to play poker too. How much xmr to play with you guys? What format do you play? cash/sit n go?

*****/XMR/ Monero General Poker Night*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Poker Night*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Poker Night*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Poker Night*****

Hang out and play Texas Hold'em with fellow MoneroChads safely over an anonymized network and hopefully win some XMR along the way!

To accommodate players from different time zones, Poker Night commences at 6:00 PM Sydney, Australia time and then rolls westward throughout the day, so in effect the entirety of Saturday = Poker Night, feel free to drop in at any time!

>STARTS
06:00 PM Sydney
10:00 Berlin
04:00 AM New York City


>WHERE
Poker Night alternates between Poker Club and XMR Poker to give both services traffic. This week Poker Club is the designated host while XMR Poker is the backup should there be technical issues or all tables reach capacity.

Neither service requires JavaScript.

>Poker Club
http://pokerggxmrvzecuo6afhucjwdljuve5eoavxdxdr6zedyejd6mvz5wad.onion

Dread: http://dreadytofatroptsdj6io7l3xptbet6onoyno2yv7jicoxknyazubrad.onion/d/PokerClub

>XMR Poker
http://xmrpoker3icphjr7c6dgct3by44ph4xvxrds4jzwjkjh7h2owdf6icyd.onion

Be sure to read the guides on either site to familiarize yourself with how things work.


>REQUIREMENTS
You will obviously need to download and install the Tor Browser to access the darknet.

https://www.torproject.org/download/

You will also need an unknown amount of XMR to play. Don't stake more than you can afford to lose.

Optionally, you can voice chat and coordinate over Jitsi for a more authentic social experience. Jitsi is FOSS and end-to-end encrypted.

https://meet.jit.si/
https://desktop.jitsi.org/Main/Download.html


Note that unlike with clearnet gaming, playing over Tor with Monero is by far the comfiest way to play because your identity, IP address and money trail cannot be established so you don't have to worry about legalities or about the tax man coming to collect his share of your winnings.

Good luck!!

>>50884272
Which table does biz play at?
Do the tables have in-game chat?

>>50883415
Illicit enterprises always attract the harder money. So that's bullish for monero.

>>50882619
Hardfork comes at block 2688888
That's roughly 17 hours and 30 minutes from away from the point i'm writing this comment.

And at block 2689608 you will be unable to send or mine XMR with 0.17.3.2 release.

You need to compile it ASAP, since compiling takes time also.
Here is the countdown:
https://xmr.noctism.com/

What if monero does get sanctioned?

>>50882619
Manjaro is regularly weeks behind. Should've run Arch.

>>50885123
Sanction this
*grabs nuts and stack of money orders and installs TOR*

>>50885321
based

>>50885123
localmonero or something like it, will always be an option

https://txstreet.com/v/xmr-btc

Not a bad look right now.

>>50875168
You think average customers will pay with monero? And what would be ways to help facilitate them paying with it as I very much do not trust the US dollar to retain value.

>>50875168
How do different exchanges track the price of XMR when someone buys a big quantity in lets say binance. How do they correct the price in the the other exchanges?

>>50887352
>How do they correct the price in the the other exchanges?
Arbitration bots tend to "level" prices between exchanges by taking advantage of differences in prices for the same item. So if Exchange A has Monero for $160 and Exchange B has it for $170 because some whale is buying a ton of it and raising the price, people will have a computer program set up (or try doing it by hand, although that's considered too slow nowadays) that will transfer XMR from A to B and sell to net the $10 difference per coin until the prices equalize and you can't make money doing that.

>>50875168
moNEGRO - token not needed - use coinjoin, faggot
>but noooooooooooooooooo it's like haaaaard
use wasabi wallet, noob
>but this link saaaaid thing that I can not prove nor understand
ok incel

>>50875168
moNEGRO: togen for nigs who can't use wasabi

>>50875219
moNEGRO - token so useless that you have to post weibo shit or tits to try to shill it. Learn coinjoin nig.

Be gone, post-wall thot

>>50882619
Why don't you just download it from the official website?

>>50887403
>>50887411
>>50887418
Very cool anon.

Can you tell me of a darknet market that accepts LN payments so that I can use it?

>>50887152
If you're selling things you can probably sell them cheaper for XMR. It could be a good way to get the conversation going as well.

Morning, bros.

>>50884846
we are ready

>>50887615
morning frens

>REMINDER TO MINE ON P2POOL MINI
REMINDER TO MINE ON P2POOL MINI
>REMINDER TO MINE ON P2POOL MINI
REMINDER TO MINE ON P2POOL MINI

Some links about P2Pool Mini:
1) Video tutorial with the GUi (Linux/Windows) -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbxbRu-2GWI [Embed]

2) Tutorial for Windows with/without the GUI and a simple script to launch everything once it's set up -> https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/bjk9r

3) P2pool Get started FAQ (for P2Pool Mini also read the above tutorial and don't forget to add a mini_config.json file in p2pool folder) -> https://p2pool.io/#help

4) Monero Bash for linux users -> https://github.com/hinto-janaiyo/monero-bash

Other ressources:

5) Remote P2Pool nodes -> https://xmrvsbeast.com/p2pool/monero_nodes.html

6) You can calculate your estimated shares/day here -> https://mini.p2pool.observer/calculate-share-time

7) P2Pool Mini observer: https://mini.p2pool.observer

The Jews fear XMR. Every time you buy XMR, the Jew screams in pain. The nosy Jew wanders what you have in your want -- he wants to know but he can't. Do NOT let the glow in the dark Jew what you have, stack your XMR. Jews have been kicked out of 108 countries because they're nosey little fucks.

>>50887872
>Jews.
>Globalist elite are all jews.
>108.
>glow in the dark jew. (Wot?)
Kike hands tiped this.
KYS, JIDF kike.

>>50875168
So uh, what do I do with this after I buy it?

Do retards actually want Monero to pump? It's doing it's job well, what does it's value matter??

>>50887924
Use it to buy stuff anonymously in your local community. If there's no one accepting it, then try building a local market for it. It's money, you do money things with money.

>>50888031
Ah so it's post collapse money.
Or secret transaction money.
Got it.

I'm thinking about creating new local monero marketplace.
Seems like an easy full stack project where I could test out bunch of new tools I wanted to try.

>>50888002
its not abount pumping. Its about supply/demand and fiats inflation.
Its should in theory only go up againts fiat and other cryptos.
The score borad is broken. Either an xmr is wortk 300k or BTC is worth 5$

Btw 61k transactions yesterday.
New record by a lot by its mostly due to mine xmr shutting down and paying out miners.

>>50888127
I didn't say that, but ok. You do you.

>>50875219
>>50882055
>>50884540
>>50886629
I would like to have sexual relations with this cryptocurrency

>>50876650
>redditors

>>50875168
I didn't understand how localmonero works and overpaid by $200
Does this happen in your country

Monero to 10K
Checkem

>>50888899

HOLY MOTHER OF FUCK.......

>>50888899
CHECKED

>>50888899
Checked.

>>50888899
chek'd

>>50888899
Checked & Kek'd

>>50888899
Based

>>50884846
Im on vacation atm. So after the fork I just update the GUI and its all good?

>>50888899
Checked and keked

>>50888899

>>50888899
hory sheet

>>50875168
Bisq requires 0.01 BTC to be deposited before we can trade. What the hell is that? I don't have that much money, I just wanna buy 1/4th XMR.
Why do they need it? What can I do about it?

>>50889473
use localmonero, only need an email
crypto-crypto trades are the best rates

>>50875168
Give me the rundown to monero now in comparison to tornado.
When the US and defi bans a project it means it seriously is a problem.
Monero is not banned, why?
Also how can ETH users use Monero, any bridges or atomic swaps there now?

>>50889572
>Monero is not banned, why?
They traced a shitload of defi hacks as being "cashed out" through Tornado Cash, which put it in the eyes of regulators. Also, the enforcement of the ban is easier on Ethereum because it's immediately obvious to see wallets violating the sanctions as it has no layer 1 privacy, and the fact that 95% of "defi" has admin keys or centralized control and actually can just block (lul) people who've ever used Tornado Cash from interacting with their protocol. Aave has been doing this, for example.

Monero is used heavily for buying drugs online but because we don't have shitcoin casinos and on-chain exploits there really isn't a lot of high profile thefts you can provably tie Monero to (ransomware groups often demand payment in Monero but a large percent of people just refuse to pay). Although I do think we are eventually going to be sanctioned.

>>50889651
Im a former ETH maxi, with shitpile increases so much I can't really stand the hypocrisy anymore. Vitalik himself donated to Tornado to fight government regulations. I think it's a general issue of the new crypto people, they are too mainstream and adoption increases only with more and more mainstream people. Basically you can't complain if you want the prices to go up.
Well I now see how valuable monero even is. Unfortunately due to the lack of long term demand it didn't create hype or awareness of the new people. You can all time long complain about people wanting to earn money, but ultimately this drives the attention to projects. See for example Solana. VCs pumped it up

>>50888774
Everyone does mistakes. You learn in crypto or you end with zero. Anti normie protection

>>50889572
>Also how can ETH users use Monero
swap sites like kycnot.me, localmonero is always a good option, and there is a bridge inactive development, works with metamask
>https://github.com/noot/atomic-swap

Are there any atomic swaps out there now? Do I really need to use Kukoin to buy Monero when selling ETH?

>>50889720
Why is there after 5+ years not a native bridge or swap tool?

>>50889693
>You can all time long complain about people wanting to earn money, but ultimately this drives the attention to projects

We don't need THAT kind of attention. They'll all FOMO in later anyway.

Monero bros.... are we winning?

https://youtu.be/nD6dqyA_ka0

>>50889727
>Are there any atomic swaps out there now?
BTC <> XMR is live. ETH <> XMR is being worked on by Elizabethereum.

You can see guides made by Seth here:
https://nitter.net/sethforprivacy/status/1430548362382692355?t=fuxB5MybINxHNru_iszK7A&s=19

>>50889727
Tradeogre is better than Kucoin. Kucoin is considered suspicious and has rumors of insolvency.

>>50889751
>Why is there after 5+ years not a native bridge or swap tool?
Monero has had most of it's development towards internal improvements. We only fairly recently had Bitcoin atomic swaps implemented (which was and still is a massive pain in the ass due to being largely dependent on Taproot from BTC's side). Ethereum atomic swaps are the next major project and will probably be implemented next year (maybe late this year if development goes fast). These projects are very hard to do if you don't cheat with admin keys or other centralized nonsense.

It will be good if you're an Ethereum user as you will have the ability to "jump" into Monero's blockchain and use our privacy without having to go to Binance, Kucoin, Kraken, etc. Although in practice I think you'll see much larger liquidity in some kind of wrapped Monero that you can redeem being built on Uniswap or similar ETH exchange. Still good for both projects to either way.

>>50889572
Monero has no dev tax, no pre mine, no centralization. It has a mining protocol that requires CPUs as opposed to the centralized ASICs. Many of its developers are anon. Most importantly, nothing happening on the blockchain can actually be proven, rendering chain analysis to be pretty much useless. When it comes to regulations, Monero is pretty much fortified.
>Also how can ETH users use Monero
kycnot.me

>>50889908
>Monero bros.... are we winning?

>>50890033

>>50888899

>>50887512
>have open channel for 0.025 BTC
>cocain price rises
>channel no longer capable of facilitating even the smallest quantity they are willing to sell

Here's the L2 you asked for, bro.

>>50876650
Dr. Daniel Kim just had to make a tactical disavowal here, we all know what he really thinks

>>50888899

>>50890832

>>50887403
>use coinjoin, faggot
>gets sanctioned
nice pottery sweaty

>>50888002
More value per coin means the network can make bigger moves. Hard to move a billion when the MC is ONLY 2 billion

>>50889572
'member when governments banded together to ban torrents and piratebay? The reason it didn't work is because at the end of the day you can't ban software or encryption the same way you can't ban speech. If someone uses Monero to fund illegal activity it's not the problem of the guy who wrote the software. Tornado on the other hand is a service offered to the public on a public blockchain that offers to launder your coins. As a service the government can ban it from operating, like it banned other services from operating during covid.

It's the difference between buying a steak knife to kill your wife vs buying the bitchkiller 9000 knife to kill your wife. You can't really ban steak knives but the government can go after the manufacturer of bitchkiller 9000s fairly easily.

>>50888899
Checked & blessed


>VNR

When is the fork coming?

>>50890832
>private key panties
kek

>>50888899
O shit

>>50891569
In about 3 hours, around 7pm UTC
Countdown: https://xmr.noctism.com/

>>50891613
Thx, I updated my gui wallet, hopefully everything goes smoothly.

>>50883415
euphoric

>“I buy Monero, Bitcoin, and the patrician’s shitcoin, dog with bad, because I don’t trust the reticulan owned banks, or congress and the federal reserve. I make sure to wrap all my hardware wallets in aluminum foil so flying saucers can’t abduct them or get my private keys. You’d be wise to do the same Scully.”

>>50876650

test

Why the fuck did I get bonned ?
Thread got pruned from due to being politically incorrect - and b^nd
Created the same thread on pol. thread got moved to bank and I got b^nd on pol.
Any anon care to exblain?

>>50892256
Jannies are trannies

>>50892334
Can you read the picrelated and tell me if it is related to /pol/ or not? or is it related to /biz/?

>>50892487
Not related to /biz/, but people occasional post similar stuff with barely passable title & description
Not directly related to /pol/ but much better fitting there.
If they don't want you there, go to /b/

do any britbongs here have experience selling xmr on localmonero? specifically using their bank account or paypal? how risky is it, or at what point would it get risky? thanks anons

>>50892570
That was not my thread tho. But okay.

>>50888899

How much XMR per day can I mine with a 3080?

>>50876650
noticed how he never said "I've never thought this"
daniel kim life-size monerochan dakimakura confirmed

>>50893153
None.
You don't mine this with GPU

>>50893196
Okay, what about an 12600K?

>>50893221
>Intel
Not alot. See xmrig benchmarks.
Monero isn't really profitable to mine and Intel cpus are bad.

>>50893153
You can use the MoneroOcean pool to mine other shitcoins on your GPU and get paid in XMR.

https://moneroocean.stream/

>>50893153
You can mine eth and get payed in xmr via monero ocean. You can in theory mine xmr with a gpu buts its stupid to do so

>>50885123
Not sure what rock you've been living under but a monero address has already been sanctioned
>what is a law without enforcement?

>>50893348
>Not sure what rock you've been living under but a monero address has already been sanctioned
That """address""" started with 5. It was a transaction record.

>>50876412
they aren't mutually exclusive

>>50893374
yes, it demonstrates their level of ineptitude at even the highest rungs of administration
tell me, anon, if they had sanctioned a real address, what would change? inability to withdraw to one address from a CEX? That's what subaddresses are for.
>answer: meaningless words

>>50893255
>>50893305
Gotcha, thanks bros.

we are now at v15

Monero bros, we did it

>>50875168
happy hard-fork monerochads

>>50893666
oh fuck why does this keep happening bros
is kek inherently satanic?
either way my monero stay sombrero literally no event or legislation will make me sell below 10k usd *cracks bud lite* I know Hwat I've got

>>50893644
>>50893666
>>50893688
Blessed fork, checked

>>50893631
v16 comes in about 24 hours too

>>50893631
>>50893754
Why are there always 2 versions in succession like this?
It was like this last time as well

What's the point of buying goods and services from actual stores? Aren't you paying VAT, taxes and so on for your goods?

>>50893811
>Why are there always 2 versions in succession like this?
the 1st version signals the fork
the 2nd version cuts off the old chain so that you can't even transact without the new software
(I think)

So, I was thinking about something. I keep my xmr on ledger hardware wallet. Is there a possibility to keep the Monero app updated, in case it's removed from the ledger live app store?

Why I'm asking is that the seed phrase I have is only 24 words, but the software wallets require 25 words, which I don't know the 25th word. Is there a way to find the 25th word?

So, if XMR is banned, let's say tomorrow, my money is gone? Looking forward to some answers, thanks.

>>50893989
ze needful has been set in motion

>>50893982
There is a python app that can extract your 24 word ledger phase and generate the 25 monero phase so even if ledger would say fuck you, you wouldn't lose your shit.
There are two modes, either type in the seed(unsafe) or connect your hw wallet and it generates it from there.

>>50890033
She only trades her milkies 1:1 to cum. If you can't produce enough cum you simply won't be getting those bottles I'm afraid.

>>50894094
Cheers, I will look into that!

>>50894151
Haven't tried it yet and I don't know how it works for example for nano X where the monero app has 10 different accounts.

Frens, I have an Asus Tuf Gaming laptop, can I use it to mine Monero? I mostly use it for gaming, but I think I am missing opportunities. Advices?

>>50892752
>paypal
paypal is the most risky because the buyer can request their money back, thats also why you see that it has the highest rates on the site usually

>>50894196
>Frens, I have an Asus Tuf Gaming laptop, can I use it to mine Monero? I mostly use it for gaming, but I think I am missing opportunities. Advices?
laptops get really hot. your CPU will likely only mine pennies per day. What GPU do you have? you could point it at moneroocean and potentially mine $1/day of xmr but under the hood you will be mining eth and they pay you out in xmr.

>>50894245
It says GeForce GTX 1650 Ti GPU

>>50894288
>GeForce GTX 1650 Ti GPU
not viable on ETH because of DAG size being > 4gb vram (I believe 1650ti only has 4g ram)
you may be able to set it up with ETC mining, however, your monthly revenue will be about $10 with 24x7 mining so honestly I don't even think that's worth it.

>>50894355
Yeah I see, anyway, thanks for the help fren.

>>50894245
I mine on my shitty 2011 laptop at night but not for profit obviously.

WHOLE SQUAD FULL OF FUCKIN' HODLERS, I'M A HODLER TOOOO

Someone do this to Vitalik.

>>50894755
Someone called me a newfag for suggesting this. Wya pussy nigga

>>50894755
It's hilarious watching the other big eth accounts get hit

>>50875168
Is it possible to get a info dump on how to use pgp and tor?

>>50896110
You literally could not ask for a better demonstration of why L1 privacy by default matters.

>>50896169
PGP is a huge pain in the ass to use correctly. For Tor, just install and use Tor Browser, which is based on Firefox.

>>50888899
I've been saying this!!!!
this talk gets fucking comfyy https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1rmxPgyjoLjJN?s=20

Hello Monerofrens, it's been some months I don't follow the threads, just been holding comfily my unknown amount, any news? How are you doing?

Hi guys I'm interested in getting some monero. Is kucoin the easiest and fastest? Just sign up and start exchanging btc for monero, withdraw it immediately with no limits? I've heard of some exchanges suddenly freezing everything until you send them passports and selfies and pictures of your butthole.

>>50897032
kycnot.me

I have a full node running on my server and I connect to it from my workstation but the GUI wallet's built-in P2Pool miner isn't working. Is there some special flag I need to run on my node and/or the wallet in order to mine?

>>50896816
Hardfork was today. ETH/XMR atomic swaps nearly ready

congratulations to all the monerochads mining on p2pool

I want to be a monero chad just to belong to some group already

>>50897181
Thanks I read up on it and realized I could just use swaps in the future which might be less scuffed.

>>50897616
mine on p2pool and it will be a start

>>50897721
will do my research

>>50897739
>>50887738

>>50875168
Monero has the best mascot and the strongest community I've ever seen, the tech is just a bonus.

>>50897839
Strong tech proceeds from a strong community. The whole reason BTC is so stagnant is the community won't accept hardforks anymore. XMR's community has the will, the discipline, and the trust in the core team to do periodic hardforks that continually improve performance and privacy. If the XMR community was full of moonboy GPU miners we'd never have hardforked to RandomX.

>>50897616
>I want to be a monero chad just to belong to some group already
Well we're the best community in crypto.
>best coin
>most thoughtful arguments
>edgy tax evasion memes
>monerochan
>hating the antichrist
>can actually use our coin instead of just holding it hoping for it to moon

Any programming/crypto chads in here?

Want to know if it's possible to post data to monerochan chain. Like a merkle root. Or even if you could do some layer 2 stuff, even if limited. I know that payment channels are deeply theoretical at best right now.

Orwellian must fall

>>50898077
checked. Sort of. Though both sides would need special software to get the data, and the tx would stand out.
https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/tx-extra

>>50898422
>and the tx would stand out
This is why money and smart contracts need separate chains.

Is buying on kraken safe privacy wise

>>50897224
Monero GUI requires you to have a local node to mine, doesn't it? That's what mine says, at least. I'm also running my node on a server I built that's on my LAN, mine doesn't even give me the option to mine so I have XMRig running on my PC and pointing to P2Pool on my server

>>50898714
I exchanged my BTC for XMR on Kraken about 2-3 years ago and withdrew it just fine, but it's still a KYC exchange and should be avoided if you really want your privacy. They do support using your PGP key for 2FA emails, which is a feature that I absolutely loved. They're pretty similar to Poloniex (before they left the U.S., if you were around for that), but with better security features.

In short, it's better to use a non-KYC exchange. If you're not concerned with that, Kraken has a wonderful selection and great account security

>>50889356
Yes.

>>50897839
>Monero has the best mascot and the strongest community I've ever seen, the tech is just a bonus
Its not about the coin but the friends we made along the way

>>50898422
Checked. Morning, frens.

>>50895609
If you are the guy who wanted to send btc bought with XMR to ppl as an attempt to "taint" wallets, you are retarded.

>>50898714
bought XX monero there without issue multiple times
supports sepa instant credit
withdrawals processed within minutes
ceo is based

THE MONERO MOON Newsletter Issue 54 is out now!

https://www.themoneromoon.com/p/the-monero-moon-issue-54

>>50901970
>11 Aug issue.
Sneed.

We're now at 40% of nodes updated

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>>50896668
Nice, giving it a listen now

>>50904478
>child bearing hips
i'm a simple man with simple pleasures

>>50875219
hey, me too, Anon...

>>50888899
can't miss this get...

>>50875168
Monero will not survive on serious criminal scandal.
>HEADLINE: Child sex trafficking ring which used crypto currency monero to evade detection BUSTED. Law makers call for tighter regulation.
>Government meme campaign ensues
>Monero outlawed.

>>50905467
Nope. Nope. Nope. And before I tell you why, lemme buy some more Moneros before you do.

>>50905467
>>Monero outlawed.

Nigga, we've all been expecting Monero to eventually get banned since day fucking one. Ergo all the obsessive decentralization efforts.

>>50905511
It's not like the gov is gonna ban it and then that's it.
They are gonna preform man hunts on anyone with too much monero in their accounts.
The gov will come after anyone like that.
The more monero you have the higher you are on their target list.

You could easily see the "war on terror" shift to include "criminals who own monero".

>>50905566
Lmao

You think bureaucrats can put something like that together? They all go for lunch breaks, clock out at 4 PM and barbecue in the weekend mate.

They don’t give a fuck.

>>50905566
Good thing I lost all my monero in a boating accident then

>>50905602
>You think bureaucrats can put something like that together?
Yes. Political incompetence is an illusion maintained for politicians benefit.
>They don’t give a fuck.
Only if you can bribe them somehow. If your pirate currency becomes a real threat to their designs (which seem to include financial dominion) they'll declare you a criminal or even terrorist element and hunt you down.

>>50905566
>with too much monero
They literally can't tell if it never touches a CEX.

>>50905767
The gov has unlimited funding and the privilege of violent force. They'll find a way if they need to. Some quantum machine learning black magic fuckery which analyzes vast sets of financial data for patterns or something like that.
Right now the big boy toys are used for terrorism.
I'm saying if monero becomes too useful for terrorist and criminals orgs then the gov will take out the big boy toys.

>>50905795
That's not how it works. You've been watching too many bad TV shows and not learning enough math or programming.

Roughly 4 hours to go until block 2689608, when v16 kicks in and the old transaction format will no longer be accepted.

>>50905837
>anon is target for monero crack down investigation
>anon matches the profile for a monero holder
>anons legitimate bank accounts and crypto holdings are being actively monitored
>anon is observed acquiring property without the use of his legitimate assets.
>that's enough to get a warrant
>set up invasive surveillance
>document anon using monero
>move in to arrest
>anon is arrested and charged
>"will give you a plea deal if you tell us any useful information for finding other monero users and networks
Rinse and repeat.

As soon as monero gets associated with terrorists in the media it's unironcally over for casual investors.

>>50905928
>As soon as monero gets associated with terrorists in the media it's unironcally over for casual investors.

OH NOES

>>50905928
Kek. Thats not how it goes fagot.
They dont have the manpower. Litter teries that blow shit up had like 7 agents following them and still fuck up a church.
What are queersgoing to do...have 20 people monitor a neckbeard he owes 18$ worth of sales tax get a nordic runebraclet. Your a coward and your wrong. They did fuck all to stop dmv. What are they going to do to millions of Yoes,, build a prison complex for every street.have 5% of thepopulation in jail

>>50905928
>casual investors
Casual investors are still buying eth cause NGU.
They don't even know what xmr is since it's not on coinbase

>>50905795
>muh heckin quantum machine

Go back

>>50906041
That's not MSM. Once Fox and CNN pontificate on the evils of monero it's over. Large terrorist groups and criminal orgs could still use it because they have the firepower, but regular people would be out in the cold.
>>50906043
It all depends on how much of a meme monero ends up being. They're hiring a shit ton of IRS agents trained to use "deadly force" right now. Maybe they are preparing to crack down on this type of thing. Would make sense actually.

>>50906111
knowing how the gov works, I anticipate a blitzkrieg media campaign against privacy coins in the MSM, "criminal, terrorist, pedophiles, etc." and shortly after that a crackdown on privacy coin investors.

>>50906111
>Maybe
Maybe your gay?
If they do. They will waste a lot of money. Its not worth it for them. You can go after monero nordic rune braclet buyers OR bomb black kids, nut not both. You started to take woman and tranies to try to fill military vacancies.Oportunity cost. What are they going to do hire 100 agents per 1 civilian.

>>50906217
Govs got way more capability than you all give them credit for.
I don't know if you remember, but the gov shutdown the entire city of Boston in like an hour with a small army and martial law a decade ago, but all the media was mostly wiped from surface sites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A5vfyFyptQ
There's more than enough police being led by some IRS agents to go after enough privacy investors to scare everyone else away from using it.

I'm just saying this whole branding of privacy coins as purposefully "scary, criminal terrorist edgelords" will be it's undoing. You are setting yourselves up as bad guys in a fight you can't win.
You can be mad at me all you want but at least I'm being real with you.

>>50906294
>You are setting yourselves up as bad guys in a fight you can't win.

Any coin that can't survive a total war with the government isn't truly permissionless.

>>50906344
If privacy coins ethically de-legitimize themselves against an enemy that relies on ethical justification to sustain it's monopoly on power and violence, then privacy coins are essentially committing suicide.

>>50906294
I get where your coming for. But we will see. Its a battle of faith...always has been. Xmr wants to abilish corrupt goverments. Corrupt goverments dont want to be abolished. Its just a question of who can get more people on their side.

Moneros main stich beside privacy is cpu mining. Thats means the queers in uniform would have to ban all forms of computers, cell phones and all. Its like big banks. To Big to fail. If they ban all eletronics from their plebs, they would be reduced to the stoneage and inavded by China.

Monero is like niggers, they have to accept it like gravity or some force of nature

>>50906383

lol Monero's value has nothing to do with ethics any everything to do with its utility. The darknet markets won't suddenly stop accepting XMR if its outlawed, if anything banning it would be a validation of the tech and actually increase demand.

>>50906418
Possibly, but they can scare most people away from using it with harsh penalties and a crackdown.

>>50906418
I think it'd see a temporary hit because of its presence on the clearnet, but I doubt it'd stay down. It'd just make Darknet sites harder for normies to get into.

>>50906385
>Monero is like niggers, they have to accept it like gravity or some force of nature
heh

>>50901265
Just admit I was right and apologize so you can learn from this experience. You don’t know shit and have a limited imagination. Glad that’s settled.

>>50901240
morning

>>50893982
In the very unlikely chance that ledger stops xmr support, you should still be able to send your XMR to a new wallet before updating your ledger.

>>50907114
Nice, b8.

Fucking Crypto man. It's basically impossible to convert your crypto into cash without KYC: I can't find any face 2 face traders in my city and Localmonero is retarded as well. I'm not gonna give some honeypot my fucking address to send me cash.

>>50907436
With the fork that came this time, the GUI wallet application told me that I had to update the ledger app before I can open the wallet. Thats why I was concerned.

I know it would be extremely unlikely, but its good to know the solution just in case.

>>50907682

Monerocentric DEXs are coming, you'll be able to receive a wire deposit or cash-in-mail with zero KYC.

Until then you can buy gift cards with XMR and then resell them for cash.

>>50907738
>you'll be able to receive a wire deposit or cash-in-mail with zero KYC.
Are you fucking insane lmao. You're gonna give some stranger your bank account number or your mail address? How do you know it's not a honey pot?

>>50907781

There are obviously no 100% guarantees but just like ordering & having heroin delivered to your front door there is safety in numbers.

>>50907781
PO box or something?
I would also much rather receive cash "I know nothing about" than something else.. you know what I mean.

>>50898422
Nice. I just want an uncensored PoW chain to host L2 systems I moght make. Can use it to bootstrap some IPFS based data service or as a star node for encrypted chat service or all sorts of things.

I really ought to dig more into the infrastructure, I like monerochan but I am lazy

>>50905928
>>50906159
I remember when people spread fud like this about torrents. Shutting down a truly decentralized P2P network is almost impossible. They might be able to catch a few individual users who fuckup their opsec, but that wouldn't give them any leads to other users no matter how many plea deals they offer. It'd be a neverending game of whack-a-mole and the juice wouldn't be worth the squeeze.

MSM and governments can stir up all the negative sentiment they want - they're not gonna magic quantum computing into existence or crack the encryption.

Doesn't seraphis kill the quantum bogeyman?
Can these magic computers really crack 64/128 decoys?
Isn't it game over for fud?

when're we getting rich lads?

Happy Hard fork!

>>50908382
>when're we getting rich lads?

Next Thursday.

>>50908194
Besides, is there any reason you couldn't just shift to a quantum proof cryptography protocol in the future if needed? Or atleast make a fork.

>>50908495

zk-STARKs are fully quantum proof.

With both XMR withdrawals and deposits frozen on Binance, the disparity between it and other exchanges like Kraken grows.

Pic rel is Kraken

>>50908530
>zk-STARKs are fully quantum proof.
Isn't that the endgame? Unless a new and better technology appears.

>>50908920
And pic rel is Binance. Price difference of about $3.50 and the time charts on the two look really different.

>>50908530
>>50908928
quantum secure cryptography is a meme.
my rss feed shows me news about a different algo cracked every other week.

>>50908928
>size estimate of 1 tx: 45kB vs 1.5 kb

>>50908005
just use dero, that's what dero is for
https://dero.io/

>>50909192
have you read the dero whitepaper? its a joke. the squidgame whitepaper told you more about their tech and how they were going to achieve their scam on a technical level than this shit.

>>50908928
>Isn't that the endgame? Unless a new and better technology appears.

Pretty much. Seraphis in 2024 and then ring sigs finally get ditched around 2026, assuming the tech is ready for prime time.

Time to replace those pastebin links with https://dapaste.com/

>>50909067
>quantum secure cryptography is a meme.

Read up on collision-resistant hash functions and try again.

>>50909067
Sadly, it's trying to reinvent the wheel all over again. Also, I don't even know if solving the discrete logarithm problem is even feasible with quantum computers.
>>50909093
Now take a look at 10k tnxs, something which Monero does several times over during a day.
>>50908928
Whilst being safe from quantum computers is nice and all, I would argue that eliminating the ring signature concept completely would be the real endgame. And afaik that can already be done with BPs, which in turn can be plugged into the Seraphis.

>>50909093
>>size estimate of 1 tx: 45kB vs 1.5 kb

Yeah, that's the main thing still holding STARKs back. But proof sizes will be optimized down eventually, at which point its game on.

>>50909390
>Time to replace those pastebin links with https://dapaste.com/

https://www.reddit.com/r/InternetIsBeautiful/comments/wnmgeb/dapastecom_a_pastebin_alternative_that_is_100/

Lemme guess: in a few days the DNM onion links get replaced with links to cloned markets where unsuspecting noobs will send you their XMR?

>>50909192
>TLS-SECURED UDP P2P NETWORK
You can't use TLS on UDP.
Also their screenshot shows a TCP packet lmao. 100% scam.

>>50909067
There are algos being worked on to specifically resist Shorr's Algorithm quantum cracking. Big tech companies are throwing gorillions at this since they desperately need a new replacement for quantum vulnerable algorithms in SSL/TLS.

>Trusted technology, growing adoption

Zcash was launched by one of the most respected technical teams in the world.

Zcash is the 'https of blockchains,' protecting your freedom to save and spend as you like.

Zcash was the first project to implement zk-SNARKs, a novel form of zero-knowledge cryptography that gives its users the strongest privacy available in any digital currency.

Multiple, independent organizations are funded to innovate on Zcash.

Zcash is already available on top exchanges, digital wallets and a growing number of applications.

>>50909567
pastebin has been known to manually delete pastes for 4chan generals they don't like.

This is what shitscared Monero chuds don't want you to know.

Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.

I don’t get it.
Couldn’t the government just compromise the dev team if they wanted to hurt XMR?

Like install a zero day vulnerability to tank the value to 0 when it gets found out?

Seems a lot more efficient than trying to ban it

>>50910322
monero isnt about making it

>>50910322

>With many "privacy" coins (and cryptos in general), there is an attitude of "f*ck the government and regulators, they can't stop us!". But let's be honest, if a coin is to see mainstream adoption from institutions, government, and retail, it has to fit in and be compliant with the traditional system of laws and regulation. Zcash has stamps of approval from FATF, FinCEN, and NYDFS. Given that Bitcoin ETFs are right around the corner, it is not a stretch of the imagination that we could see Zcash ETFs at some point as well.

>Now let's look at Monero, for example. It has a market cap over double the size of Zcash- yet do you really think the (small) Monero team is engaging with regulators and has regulatory compliance? Of course not. This is the same with many coins that are higher in market cap than Zcash. Hardly any engage with regulators and governments, and even less have approval from major regulatory bodies like FATF, FinCEN, NYDFS, etc. We are likely never going to see any kind of ETFs or significant investments from institutions in these kinds of coins. Zcash institutional investment will continue to grow over time (which will hugely increase the price) because Zcash has the regulatory and governmental stamp of approval.

This Is What Z-Cucks Actually Believe

>>50910397
The fact that hasn't happened yet suggests certain nocturnally luminescent parts of the US government enjoy being able to pay informants or assets in the field without other governments seeing.

handy fucking coin bros

>>50910397
>Couldn’t the government just compromise the dev team if they wanted to hurt XMR?

How? Most of the core team have remained anonymous and don't even submit code directly.


>Like install a zero day vulnerability to tank the value to 0 when it gets found out?

All the incoming code gets audited by multiple pairs of eyeballs.


>Seems a lot more efficient than trying to ban it

Real life ain't like the movies, kid.

>>50910294
limewire virus coin DONT BUY

>>50910414

No compliance = no institutional adoption = no moon mission, retard.

>>50910400
>monero isnt about making it

Yeah, that's very obvious lol

>>50910501

Zcash is the real deal, look into zero knowledge proofs, its serious next-gen shit

>>50910576
Zcash doesn't even pass the Howie test while Monero does. Not that it even matters, Zcash isn't decentralized, has a dev tax, isn't decentralized etc etc etc etc

>>50910638

Yeah, yeah, the same old FUD and yet Zcash is available on Coinbase while Monero isn't, the free market has spoken

>>50910671

You seem genuinely retarded.

>>50910725

>>50910671
That's why the market chooses Zcash on darknet markets, right?

>>50910745
this pic is prime zcash FUD lol

>>50910610
fuck off and make your own thread

>>50910889

Sneed

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>>50909446
Speaking of Seraphis, the extent to which the tech can achieve with ring sizes is as not as a limited amount of decoys, but could have ALL transactions as decoys. Thus having such plethora of decoys would effectively mean that any attempt of tracing would be futile.
I don't think it'll reach that extent, since it's not really feasible to implement without bloat and zk-SNARKs would probably be battle-tested and ready to be deployed by that point. Like you said on that time horizon.

Happy Quinze Aout, /XMR/. Am I buying tonight or is it dumping hard tomorrow?